competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

FP2 beyond like

[solid frigate]

[foggy lodge]

Fighter Pass 2 shaked all the meta

All of them were good

Except Seph

[molten oasis]

So

Seph is the problem

[foggy lodge]

Anyways Sephiroth is really good, just kinda overrated

[molten oasis]

Not Steve or Kazuya

[foggy lodge]

Never said that

[molten oasis]

Or even Min Min

Oh I interpreted that wrong oops

[foggy lodge]

But yeah, all of them were high tier-top tier

[molten oasis]

Seph imo is like

[solid frigate]

Aegis is overrated by everyone,its not that Broken like say Sonic who just Camp you out for free

because it has Regieleki's Speed stat

[molten oasis]

Bordering top tier but just doesn’t have enough to put him there

[foggy lodge]

Sephiroth is good but like, in the oficial tier is above Young Link

[molten oasis]

He loses to a good chunk of the top tiers

There is nothing you can do about it lol

[solid frigate]

that tier list is basically Smogon devs doing random jackass

[foggy lodge]

Young Link has one of the best proyectiles of the game, is fast, good frame data, only lacks of range

Sephiroth loses it's gimmick when he is winning lmao

[molten oasis]

Seph is still pretty good

Without the wing

[solid frigate]

Links are so fun to use

[autumn vault]

Sephiroth gets yeeted as soon as i use a smash attack

[molten oasis]

Ok that

[dull ibex]

I was deadset on flinch connecting

[molten oasis]

I do not understand at all

[solid frigate]

Kirby weight and i was like WTF

[autumn vault]

Without the wing he is kind of mid

[molten oasis]

Why is seph so fucking light

[foggy lodge]

Nah Aegis is really good still, overrated because they put them into things like top 3 or 5, but imo still top 10-15 characters

[molten oasis]

His sword weighs so much

[dull ibex]

well that was my second or first game with the team without a video on it

[solid frigate]

Meanwhile Pyra with thata Too Heavy Joke:

[dull ibex]

so pretty much everything

[molten oasis]

Ah, ok

[solid frigate]

idfk why

[dull ibex]

im also coming off a like 4 month break

[molten oasis]

I think that’s what brings him down ngl

[foggy lodge]

Still imo Pikachu is like, top 3 characters

[autumn vault]

I prefer playing Pyra more than Mythra but in terms of design Mytha > Pyra

[molten oasis]

The weight is so bad lmao

[solid frigate]

Pikachu is kinda dropped because only ESAM

[foggy lodge]

Pikachu and R.O.B are imo the best base game characters

[solid frigate]

you literally speaking that to an Aegis Simp rn-

[autumn vault]

He is big so that is even worse

[foggy lodge]

Esam is the only person who gets results with Pikachu, that's his only problem

[molten oasis]

Ridley syndrome

[stray badger]

Which is better, the lore character alts or the edgy character alts?

[foggy lodge]

But it has all the tools

[solid frigate]

Lore character

[dull ibex]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regf-2091802058

[solid frigate]

i used Lore character alts in Aegis

[stray badger]

Very agree

[molten oasis]

Ridley is LIGHTER than Samus I believe

[autumn vault]

The exposed back isn't doing it for me

[molten oasis]

That makes no sense lmao

[solid frigate]

i mean not Pyra,i mean Pneuma

[foggy lodge]

Also Kazuya is the 6th most heavy characters in the game

[autumn vault]

iirc ridley is pretty heavy

[foggy lodge]

Along with Charizard

[stray badger]

Pythra, Pneuma, or Aegis?

[molten oasis]

Not, not really

[autumn vault]

Also why is bowser heavier than K rool?

[molten oasis]

He should be a heavy

He’s like, medium

[solid frigate]

usually i name all 3 as Aegis but for specfic about them i just say about their names

[autumn vault]

That gold belly is very durable so i would guess that rool is the heaviest, not bowser

[molten oasis]

That should weigh a lot ngl

[solid frigate]

and yes thats one of the reason why i name Terapagos Pneuma for a reason

[molten oasis]

I like names based on gods or names that sound like it

[solid frigate]

Bowser is very good even as a Heavy

[stray badger]

I meant as what you refer to the character of Pyra and Mythra as since it's a mouthful to say Pyra and Mythra

[foggy lodge]

I got it wrong but it's the 8th most heavy character

Below Charizard🦖

[solid frigate]

Pneuma cuz she is best girl

[solid frigate]

i mean she is technically Pyra+Mythra+Power Boost

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/78a309f9cfb3e923

I like names like this lol

[foggy lodge]

Anyone here plays Pokémon Trainer? I want to train mirror match with PT

[solid frigate]

i named my Palkia Astreaus lol

[molten oasis]

I played a little bit but I don’t have a switch on me

Also, zacian and gouging fire

Athena and Ares

Anyone see a little pattern

[solid frigate]

i love those Nicknames

[foggy lodge]

Would Zacian replace Kingambit in Howl teams?

[solid frigate]

absolutely

[autumn vault]

Those are names of greek gods, you have good taste in names

[molten oasis]

Not exactly

[solid frigate]

oh

[molten oasis]

Kingambit has defiant

Otherwise zacian lol

[solid frigate]

lol

[foggy lodge]

Hmmm

[molten oasis]

So the plus with kingambit is you have something for trick room

[foggy lodge]

And using Zacian and Kingambit in the same team ignoring that both are steel?

[molten oasis]

Don’t, no lol

[foggy lodge]

No forget it, i remembered the triple weakness to ground

[molten oasis]

3 ground weaknesses sounds awful

[solid frigate]

Groudon:kek

[molten oasis]

I think zacian is better if that’s your choice of restricted legend

[solid frigate]

Lando I:Kek

[molten oasis]

WAIT, I’ll be back

[solid frigate]

oki

anyways

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/8887256a497a6ecf hehe

Here’s my double restricted team

[solid frigate]

imagine me a Drago just have the Gen 3 Groudon vs Kyogre moment

[molten oasis]

Probably

[dull ibex]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regf-2091806194-vnxxih25sldakk2814arcb30np5gs84pw Can they even break my raging bolt

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/8f4d188e14bd7e12 Mine but with Tornadus

[molten oasis]

It’s not loading for me idk why

Meteor beam no power herb?

[dull ibex]

yeah I lose

I play very sloppily and got over confident

[solid frigate]

THAT INDEEDEE NICKNAME-

[dull ibex]

hey uh

I forgot what raging bolt does lmao

[molten oasis]

Set up calm mind

[dull ibex]

I forgot thunderclap was priority

[molten oasis]

Oh I see lol

[dull ibex]

priority and calm mind won such a poorly played game lmao

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2091806194-vnxxih25sldakk2814arcb30np5gs84pw

[solid frigate]

sucker Punch more like

[molten oasis]

You can always forego protect for thunderbolt if you want

[foggy lodge]

What is Tclap priority?

[solid frigate]

+1

[foggy lodge]

+1?

[solid frigate]

same as Sucker Punch

[dull ibex]

No I dont care its fine

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-kyogre-and-groudon-water-vs-ground-water-pokemon-ground-pokemon-gif-17939730

Me and Drago when Double Restricted happens

[molten oasis]

Tera blast is interesting

Why thah over I’m guessing pulse?

[solid frigate]

bolt usually use Tera for defensive

[autumn vault]

Me when Corny and i single restricted (Zekrom vs Miraidon):

[dull ibex]

real

[solid frigate]

i am more confident on my team cuz my team is more annoying than Me in Irl

[molten oasis]

Yea y’all and your dragons

https://tenor.com/view/plush-plushie-spin-spinny-spinning-gif-22905344

If I get to NAIC I am buying this plush and taking zacian to NAIC

[solid frigate]

Kyogre with Ice Beam against Dragons

https://tenor.com/view/kyogre-kyogresmile-pokemon-pokemon-smile-kyogre-creepy-gif-19828510

[molten oasis]

Although the cheapest one I could find that wasn’t on a scam site is $50

[solid frigate]

i'm taking my turtle

[molten oasis]

🫠

[wooden gazelle]

bro

[molten oasis]

Hi

[wooden gazelle]

is kyogre banned in doubles rn?

[solid frigate]

ITS SO CUTE WHY

[acoustic cloak]

Marketing.

[solid frigate]

well currently yes

[wooden gazelle]

ight

thx

[foggy lodge]

I remember the guy who brought a Mega-Charizard X plush to a tournament and resulted that he was using Mega-Charizard Y

[solid frigate]

Terapagos is a goober and a Death machine at the same time

[foggy lodge]

And people prepared against the Mega X lmao

[solid frigate]

confusion moment

[molten oasis]

Rn yes

[wooden gazelle]

k

[timber falcon]

Yippee

[molten oasis]

Mind games

[wooden gazelle]

guess im stuck with pelipper

[molten oasis]

Or torn with rain dance but yea

[wooden gazelle]

yeah

[acoustic cloak]

Unpopular Opinion: Politoed.

[solid frigate]

damn 22 GBP for Terapagos Plush,Noice

[foggy lodge]

Do that

[mighty stump]

Pelipper is just

better

[wooden gazelle]

the game doesn't wanna give me tornadus gosh darn it snacksworth

[foggy lodge]

Well you can't do that anymore because of the OTS😔

[molten oasis]

I’m bringing zacian how do I start mind games that way

[wooden gazelle]

is it worthr unning icy wind on pelipper though

[acoustic cloak]

Snacksworth is the real villain.

[dull ibex]

vgc stream

[solid frigate]

bring Zamazenta

[wooden gazelle]

fr

[molten oasis]

Fuck no

[dull ibex]

anyone wanna watch

[foggy lodge]

Buy a Crowned Zacian plush and use the uncrowned Zacian

[solid frigate]

i mean its a counter part

[solid frigate]

save me a slot

[molten oasis]

Lol, I’d be throwing at that point

[wooden gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-21582243

[dull ibex]

tofu are you down to join?

[solid frigate]

then how can i play mind games with Pagos or Kyogre...

[molten oasis]

But yea im taking either zacian double fo balance or gouging fire zacian howl things

[wooden gazelle]

can someone give me their thoughts on my team rn i wanna improve it

[solid frigate]

thats a fucking gif.

[wooden gazelle]

yes?

[solid frigate]

where is the team

[wooden gazelle]

does this link work?
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/view-team-421282

[solid frigate]

pokepaste pls

[wooden gazelle]

k hold on

https://pokepast.es/6f63f6c6e37bb639

[solid frigate]

i feel like Tofu would beat my Terapagos team brutally

[solid frigate]

ok interesting sinischa

[molten oasis]

Chopple berry? Why not av or black glasses

[wooden gazelle]

noted thx

[gentle crag]

pleaseinsertusernamehere. has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[solid frigate]

Urshifu feels fine...Pelipper where the heck is wide guard for Flutter's Gleam

[molten oasis]

Shifu can run mystic water or scarf

[wooden gazelle]

k

[solid frigate]

and body press Archaludon where

[molten oasis]

Incin would prefer goggles or sitrus

[solid frigate]

the EVs are just why

[molten oasis]

It’s not on the field enough to benefit from lefties

Also Tera fsiry or dragon gambit

[foggy lodge]

I saw a life orb set but it's too weird, i still think those items are better

[wooden gazelle]

ight thx

[solid frigate]

The EVs.

what happened-

[molten oasis]

Archa Tera fairy body press over snarl

[dull ibex]

welp can't use this anymore LMAO

[molten oasis]

What did you do?

[dull ibex]

the rental doesnt work anymore

[molten oasis]

Oof

[dull ibex]

not using it if I can't use it on cart ladder as well

[solid frigate]

or grass for Ground Resist but yeah Fairy is also nice

[molten oasis]

Grass is also ok

[solid frigate]

resist Ground is very valueable

and also Archaludon has Electro Shot which Kills Tornadus

and i mean Kill,i mean Overkill

[wooden gazelle]

should i tera grass or fairy for archaludon

[solid frigate]

you decide on which one is more valueable to your team

rn Fairy seems more better

[wooden gazelle]

how do yall think i should change the EVs

[dull ibex]

https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1223320491054338170

[wooden gazelle]

ima join i cant talk though

[foggy lodge]

Fairy tera blast

[wooden gazelle]

should i replace draco meteor or flash cannon

[mighty stump]

Don't Tera Blast

Body Press/Dragon STAB/Flash Cannon/Either Electro Shot, Snarl

[wooden gazelle]

bro im torn rn

[dull ibex]

I need to find a new team maybe ill check the repository

https://pokepast.es/c2d3074886cef2de considering this one

[foggy lodge]

Why the rocky helmet?

[dull ibex]

I kinda want to keep using set up though

[molten oasis]

That looks solid

Ok then keep running the Japan balance team

[dull ibex]

no

[foggy lodge]

I think you could swap items between Amoonguss and Inci

[molten oasis]

Why

[dull ibex]

I said the rental doesnt work lmao

[solid frigate]

it got horribly wrong for him

[molten oasis]

hmm

[dull ibex]

no it didnt I played like one game poorly

[stray badger]

Does the game auto default your team name if you use a special character or something when you upload them to rental?

[molten oasis]

Why are you switching teams then?

[dull ibex]

THE RENTAL DOESNT WORK LMAO

[molten oasis]

That team should work just fine

Alr well, hmm

What do you want for a team

[dull ibex]

Ideally it would be more of what ive been using

which is wolfe's team and japan balance

[foggy lodge]

Balance team?

[wooden gazelle]

bro i just went up against the guy your fighting rn

[dull ibex]

LMAOOOO

[wooden gazelle]

like 20 mins ago

[molten oasis]

Lol

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

[wooden gazelle]

i won lol

[molten oasis]

So do you want set up balance or HO?

[dull ibex]

set up balance ig

[foggy lodge]

What is HO?

[molten oasis]

Hyper offense

[stray badger]

I have no idea what a balance team means I just have funny goober teams

[foggy lodge]

ohhhh

[stray badger]

I'm not sure what my teams fall into

[molten oasis]

So I still think you run at least bolt rilla incin shifu

[wooden gazelle]

how should i change the EVs since yall said they were questionable
https://pokepast.es/cfe5e9b42c9f4d2d

wait forgor to rmeove protect from gambit

[molten oasis]

And then mess with the 5th and 6th slots to find something you like

[foggy lodge]

Ohhh wait i think i have a similar team

[molten oasis]

That’s just like, the easiest set up balance core to run rn imo

[wooden gazelle]

what moves do av king gambit usually run

[stray badger]

Here's the team I actually have up for rental on S/V
https://pokepast.es/344eb054b5cc373e

[molten oasis]

Iron head kowtow sucker and then Tera blast/low kick

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/30b067e333b78d3d

[wooden gazelle]

k

[molten oasis]

If Tera fsiry you could Tera blast, but low kick is usually preferred

[wooden gazelle]

i like parting shot over u turn but it still works

[dull ibex]

agreed

[molten oasis]

What felt bad about the rental?

[dull ibex]

it didnt work

[molten oasis]

…

What about it didn’t work

[solid frigate]

F

[dull ibex]

bro it literally did not work the code errors out

[molten oasis]

Oh literally, sorry

I’m tired

Do you need something for ingame?

[solid frigate]

Ah yes i love rain

[dull ibex]

yes im practicing on showdown to then get into masterball

[molten oasis]

Idk where to get a Japan balance rental

[dull ibex]

me neither

[foggy lodge]

4PH27P

That's a japan balance rental

[molten oasis]

Does it work

I can’t test that

[dull ibex]

I can

do you have a paste as well

[foggy lodge]

From the rental team?

[dull ibex]

yeah

[foggy lodge]

I have an image, but it's in spanish

[dull ibex]

want to play ingame and on showdown

wheres the link to that rental

[foggy lodge]

Oh then i have it

[dull ibex]

thee code is valid btw

if you can send the showdown paste that would be excellent

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/8b2e61d38322d5a9

[dull ibex]

oh crap its cts

[molten oasis]

That just means we need to do our own evs or do some work to figure out the evs ingame

Unless there’s a paste with evs

[dull ibex]

making my own isnt viable

[foggy lodge]

Oh yeah i don't have the evs, but you can check the stats in game

[dull ibex]

I dont have all the mons or stuff to get them

[molten oasis]

Well, guess you gotta dive into the stats for them then

[dull ibex]

you can not

[molten oasis]

For showdown testing

[stray badger]

And here is the team I'm currently working on
https://pokepast.es/9188b9b91301bdd8

[foggy lodge]

Ok give me a minute

[clever ermine]

Hello I'm new to competitive! I've been doing okay with my team, but struggle with trick room teams (Ursaluna.. Farigiraf). Can someone crit my team? Feel free to be harsh https://pokepast.es/3b662cca4ed45c4b IV/EVs may not be accurate as I don't remember them off the top of my head. I only ask that I'd like to keep sneasler on the team if possible!

[molten oasis]

I was gonna say drop sneasler for urshifu cuz sneasler isn’t very good but you want to keep it, so

[stray badger]

I forgot, does having tailwind up help or hurt you in trick room?

[foggy lodge]

Iron Crown is booster energy in speed so it hurts

[molten oasis]

Run psychic seed and then run dire claw acrobatics close combat and protect

[dull ibex]

alr

[clever ermine]

Which urshifu would this be? I don't think I have access to one!
And i've tried unburden sneasler but it doesn't seem to survive!

[molten oasis]

Sneasler just isn’t good at all

[foggy lodge]

I think Single strike?

[molten oasis]

Rapid, there’s rain

[foggy lodge]

Ah yeah

[molten oasis]

It’s Archa rain with crown psyspam

And sneasler

[clever ermine]

Thanks guys!
I know sneasler isn't the best but they've been fun -very.. rng based though haha

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

[stray badger]

It's always fun to encore a pokemon using trick room

[clever ermine]

but the joy of sometimes putting other mons to sleep or in paralysis is enjoyable to me haha! and they outspeed incineroars fake outs etc.

and oo, thanks, i'll look into encore! Would it be worth adding someone who knows taunt in my team to counter Trick room?

[solid frigate]

my team is so good

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2091837555

[stray badger]

Whimsicott is pretty good since it has tailwind and encore to make sure that your team stays speedy

[solid frigate]

heavily Outclass by Tornadus... but agree

[stray badger]

Yeah but I can't shiny hunt Tornadus

[clever ermine]

thanks for pointing this out too! I'll try to get them to boost special atck! I'll have to try figure that stat out

[dull ibex]

I'm loving raging bolt set up

[molten oasis]

It’s very strong

Bolt is really hard to take down

[dull ibex]

Thunder clap feels broken

[solid frigate]

its just sucker punch-

[dull ibex]

Yeah and at times sucker does as well lmao

[clever ermine]

i use psychic terrain to deal with that one - i wish i picked scarlet bc I'd like a raging bolt!

[molten oasis]

It’s very good coming off of a Mon with base 137 special attack

I feel like bolt was make to handle tornshifu lol

[solid frigate]

lol

[foggy lodge]

@dull ibex i have the evs https://pokepast.es/eb27650a6c63158e

[foggy lodge]

I think in this specific mu is better Whimsicott

Because you can encore

[solid frigate]

make sense

[bold geode]

Ah OG Japan balance
The version that gets absolutely fucked by snow

[upbeat quail]

I wish I didn’t get so frustrated when I lose in the GC

Like shit

[molten oasis]

It’s CTS cheese

[bold geode]

Not even participating lnao

[upbeat quail]

Yeah it’s all cheesy bullshit lol

[molten oasis]

Neither am I

[bold geode]

I feel
So ftee

[upbeat quail]

Sorry Japan players

[molten oasis]

It’s not worth for me

[bold geode]

I have escaped the prison known as Global Challenge competing

And for those asking what my team was gonna be

[solid frigate]

I hate the freaking Miss On Calyrex FU-

[upbeat quail]

Fucking a

I am misplaying so hard

[bold geode]

https://pokepast.es/f1ac6cfc4178ac58
Let's just say I would've been one of y'all's worst nightmares

[molten oasis]

I would have ran the team I always run this reg lol

[bold geode]

I would've fallen into the cheese

[upbeat quail]

I am so bad at this game I swear. I should just stop playing vgc lol

[foggy lodge]

Neither

Sorry i like keeping my mental health

[mighty stump]

no such thing as bad

Just learning

[foggy lodge]

Nah it's not that

It's normal getting frustrated by this game

[mighty stump]

The only bad players are the ones with attitude problems

[upbeat quail]

I’ve missed two fucking overheats this game

[solid frigate]

i really need to stop playing Doubles Ubers to test my team cuz they use 3 or more restricted

[foggy lodge]

Take a time, reanalyze the situation, and get back

[upbeat quail]

Like what the fuck.

[foggy lodge]

It's frustrating

[upbeat quail]

I wish I could report people for hax

Jk

[foggy lodge]

I wish i could

But yeah matches with bad hax are fucked

And more when is a BO1 CTS

In ranked i got a predict of a Flutter tera fairy, i faked out it, i won the interaction

[upbeat quail]

Yeah B01 is a format that should only be used on ladder

[dull ibex]

ty!

[gentle crag]

redstonejesus has given 1 Gen Rep to maxihd

[foggy lodge]

But at the last turns i lost due to Ogerpon getting burned by the first heat wave of the game and Landorus fliching with a Rock slide

[foggy lodge]

what is this

[solid frigate]

lol-

[upbeat quail]

I’ve had two overheats miss and three bleakwind misses

Kill me now

[molten oasis]

Attitude problems cough

[solid frigate]

"ah Pokemon Battle Am i Right"

-Nemona

Literally the Quote of every VGC players Missing Moves

[mighty stump]

I can excuse people feeling bad about themselves but it's hard to excuse people who find reasons to complain

[upbeat quail]

Can I complain about missing 5 moves in a row

[foggy lodge]

Yeah you can

[mighty stump]

Sure, but you then also have to verify if you had the time to click 5 moves that miss in a row did you really need to click those moves or were there better, more consistent options

[foggy lodge]

You can but later ask yourself or analyze the situation

In any moment you are going to ask just "what happened?"

[upbeat quail]

On Torkoal and Torn, absolutely

[solid frigate]

i missed a sandsear storm that cost me a game and i was like:Ah yes Luck.

[foggy lodge]

Nah i won a battle because my Rillabom's wood hammer OHKO a Iron Hands with a crit

I don't know how

[solid frigate]

wait if Ogerpon uses Wood Hammer,where did she store her hammer

[foggy lodge]

I remember that when i saw the teal mask trailer Ogerpon got out a brench and i thought she was stabbed lol

Then i discovered she can just get branches out of it's body

[solid frigate]

yeah

[upbeat quail]

I legit feel like I should just stop playing at this point. I’ve been killing it on showdown but this GC is making want to snap my switch in half

Practicing so hard…

Sorry, I’m just complaining and I know y’all don’t wanna hear it

[mighty stump]

It's not that we don't wanna hear it

I just don't want you lost in your frustrations cause a lot of people do

VGC is purely a mental game

and it's a self-gated hobby

[upbeat quail]

Lost a third game already lol

Yall got any advice for the mental aspect of this game?

[foggy lodge]

Global Challenge is just horrible

BO1 CTS

[upbeat quail]

It really is.

[foggy lodge]

And still don't really get too frustrated by that

[dull ibex]

It strikes your account and makes you more likely to be banned

[solid frigate]

i just don't feel fustrated,Treat it like a sport,but not literally

[foggy lodge]

[upbeat quail]

I’m just a super competitive player when it comes to everything and I’ve been struggling so hard to get over that hump

Not just with Pokémon. I wish there was a magic fix to just not giving a shit when it comes to games. I’m tired of feeling drained and angry after a loss

[solid frigate]

its about if you can handle abysmal plays, if its about Plays error,revise how you can do better,if its Luck,then idk

[foggy lodge]

I just disconnect

[solid frigate]

F

[foggy lodge]

It's the best way tbh

[solid frigate]

oh

[foggy lodge]

In all games when i start getting frustrated i disconnect from the game for at least an hour

[solid frigate]

ok?

[upbeat quail]

I just wish there was a way to magically purge my mind of the ape-like need to win everything I play.

[lime star]

Can i post showdown replays here?

[solid frigate]

just play it like a sport,Like if you lost you revise your mistakes

[solid frigate]

yea sure

[lime star]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2091867231
Can someone explain to me why indeede moved first in turn 3?

I really didnt understand it

[solid frigate]

Trick Room.

[lime star]

Yeah, but indeede was suposed to be faster than farigiraf

[solid frigate]

Helping hand has Priority

which ignore trick room

[lime star]

Yeah, i used helping hand with torkoal on farigiraf

[solid frigate]

then that girrafe is definetly Min Speed

[lime star]

My farigiraf was 58 speed

[solid frigate]

Lagging tail?
Anything that lowers Priority to make it fast in trick room?

[foggy lodge]

Hey dumb question but this chat is to any competitive right? Not only VGC/Singles?

[mighty stump]

Lagging Tail isn't a speed reducing item.

It's a turn-priority altering item

But only within the same bracket

[solid frigate]

idk

[solid frigate]

ah

[mighty stump]

Yep. You just won't really get much engagement outside of VGC/BSS

and mainly VGC

[foggy lodge]

Yeah i hate this game

[mighty stump]

Oh

You meant other games

[solid frigate]

Fcuk Unite

[lime star]

If that indeede was carrying a lagging tail than that explains it

[mighty stump]

I thought you just meant formats

[solid frigate]

that game ruined my mental health

[lime star]

Very weird choice though

[foggy lodge]

Ohhh

[solid frigate]

i'm not sure

[foggy lodge]

But i still can?

[molten oasis]

Eldegloss?

[solid frigate]

Unite

[molten oasis]

Ik

[foggy lodge]

Eldegoss is krillin in this game

[solid frigate]

Aka THE WORST POKEMON SPIN OFF

[foggy lodge]

Eldegoss gets nerfed, people stop playing

[molten oasis]

No it’s masters don’t at me

[foggy lodge]

And then the meta evolves and it's once again tje best support

[molten oasis]

Untie is fun they just keep fucking ip the meta

[mighty stump]

This is still mostly relating to SV stuff rather than spinoffs

But if no one is talking about it then go ahead

[solid frigate]

They have Heavy Bias on Hoenn and Kanto just like how the mainline be like

[foggy lodge]

Thx

[solid frigate]

Nope its not,it ruined my mental health

[molten oasis]

Then it’s not for you

[foggy lodge]

Nah i just want to get my draft

I hate the blind pick

[solid frigate]

well,someone's mental health but i a=just want to quit cuz how BS is it

[molten oasis]

I can’t speak for all mobas I think it’s a game that’s frustrating to play in general

[solid frigate]

The reason i did not quit VGC cuz its actually make me think

[solid frigate]

depends

[molten oasis]

League is stupid toxic, why idk I just know it is

And idk how TFT is (im like 90% sure that’s a moba)

[solid frigate]

i swear someone literally give up their mental health to make Azu into top 100 in Unite

[molten oasis]

Lol

[solid frigate]

and i mean mental health,i mean like they don't care about mental advice

and i broke friendship with someone all because they want to play unite

non stop.

[acoustic cloak]

TFT is Teamfight Tactics. It's an auto battler.

[mighty stump]

TFT is fun

Very engaging

SCurrent set is probably best it's been

[acoustic cloak]

It's basically nothing like the MOBA.

[acoustic cloak]

I only played for Remix Rumble.

[mighty stump]

Inked Fables is way better

[dull ibex]

Hello

[solid frigate]

hoi

[willow vault]

Hi

[autumn vault]

Hello

[solid frigate]

i tested my 1 restricted today with Drago and he said my team is Annoying,and yes i can tell my team is annoying like me irl
but he still win tho

well we both win 1 set

[autumn vault]

Decent

[willow vault]

Nice

[autumn vault]

I would battle you but someone is on the PC and on mobile i only have 2 teams (weezing regigigas and sand, no restricted team)

[willow vault]

I haven’t played the Palkia team since we played, just praying for better rng

[solid frigate]

yeah that i still feel bad

[molten oasis]

Yes, terapagos is so annoying

[willow vault]

Don’t my fault with the sets

[molten oasis]

It’s very tanky, very hard to kill, and hits hard

[solid frigate]

Urshifu is the only counter

[willow vault]

I mean for me the team was good but it was the whimsicott that really slowed me down

[molten oasis]

Gapdos

https://tenor.com/view/rowlet-squish-zapdos-pokemon-gif-24619561

[solid frigate]

I LOVE THE GIF

[willow vault]

That’s adorable

[autumn vault]

I doubt galarian Zapdos would be an efficient counter to Terapagos unless it has thunderous kick, and it is barely being used so i can imagine it falling off hard in restricted format

[molten oasis]

There is no outright counter to it

[solid frigate]

why do i feel like Terapagos is gonna be better than Koraidon in utility

i mean still Koraidon could one shot it

[molten oasis]

You play better into it that’s how you win

Banded collision course doesn’t kill it, I think

[solid frigate]

i actually play very linear

[willow vault]

Koraidon strictly struggles due to flutter existing, makes it reliant on Tera if you have flutter

[upbeat quail]

Man It’s so fucking hard to gauge the other players skill levels on GC. Do I expect them to make the smart plays or do I play around them being dumb?

[molten oasis]

Don’t respect the player until they show you you need to respect them

[willow vault]

Probably play the best you can but they will likely try and cheese you

[molten oasis]

Respect the mons not the player

[autumn vault]

You struggle against them? They are struggling against me

[solid frigate]

252 Atk Choice Band Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Collision Course vs. 156 HP / 32 Def Terapagos-Stellar: 600-708 (120 - 141.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[molten oasis]

Ig im wrong

[upbeat quail]

Ok buddy

[molten oasis]

We know +1 close combat from shifu wipes it

2 thundy kicks probably kills it

[solid frigate]

252 Atk Choice Band Koraidon Collision Course vs. 156 HP / 32 Def Terapagos-Stellar: 450-530 (90 - 106%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

[upbeat quail]

I wish I there was a way to back out of the GC so I’m not tempted to play this anymore

[molten oasis]

Let’s see

[solid frigate]

well kinda right but also wrong

I'm giving my sp defense EVs to Defense cuz i have calm mind

[molten oasis]

108+ Atk Zapdos-Galar Thunderous Kick vs. 156 HP / 36 Def Tera-Stellar Terapagos-Stellar: 134-158 (52.5 - 61.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Yep

[willow vault]

What are your damaging moves on terapagos? I forgot

[molten oasis]

2hko every time

[autumn vault]

You can run 0 attack and it would probably 2hko it thx to the defense drops

[solid frigate]

Starstorm,Meteor Beam,Dazzling Gleam

[gentle crag]

lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[solid frigate]

Terapagos-Terastal @ Power Herb
Ability: Tera Shift
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 156 HP / 68 Def / 252 SpA / 28 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Calm Mind
• Meteor Beam
• Dazzling Gleam

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[willow vault]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

crephace has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[solid frigate]

Drago helped me changed my leftovers set to what looks like New Lunala

[autumn vault]

We are repping today arent we

[willow vault]

I mean Lunala with wide guard looks very good into that set, I’ll keep that in the back of my mind

[solid frigate]

cuz Lunala in SWSH use Power Herb Meteor Beam set

[willow vault]

Still does

[solid frigate]

which my Terapagos looks very similar,but more spread Moves

[solid frigate]

Me with Incin:

[autumn vault]

Power herb meteor beam = Damn why they doing a ton of damage to me

[molten oasis]

That or calm mind stuff

[solid frigate]

Calm Mind+Power Herb Meteor Beam:

[willow vault]

I’m still more afraid of whimsicott than incin, but I get the point

[solid frigate]

i might alternate from Whimsicott and Tornadus

[willow vault]

Fair enough

[solid frigate]

cuz Whimsicott has Encore

but Tornadus has Icy Wind

[willow vault]

Encore still scares me

[autumn vault]

They will never click encore
(Uses encore on commentator)
(Encored) They will never click encore

[solid frigate]

i think i tank well against Calyrex Shadow

[molten oasis]

Idk if caly is gonna like terapagos

[willow vault]

I don’t think it will

[molten oasis]

It can’t astral barrage it

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 156 HP / 0 SpD Terapagos-Stellar: 192-228 (38.4 - 45.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

[molten oasis]

Pff

[solid frigate]

Tera Fighting

[willow vault]

Probably snarl spams it, maybe Tera fighting Tera blast

[autumn vault]

Pathetic

[solid frigate]

Me with Raging Bolt:

[molten oasis]

I’m betting starstorm ovkos

[willow vault]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

oh god my team is slowly become broken-

[molten oasis]

Sorry

2hkos

[solid frigate]

Unless Trick Room- and Urshifu

[willow vault]

Trick room Palkia back on, absolute W

[molten oasis]

And terapagos has crazy coverage

[solid frigate]

+2 252+ SpA Terapagos-Stellar Tera Starstorm vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Calyrex-Shadow: 343-404 (100.5 - 118.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Holy shit-

[dapper crag]

Terapagos-Stellar's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Crunch, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Facade, Flare Blitz, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Headbutt, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, Ice Spinner, Iron Head, Rapid Spin, Rock Slide, Stone Edge, Supercell Slam, Take Down, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Aura Sphere, Bug Buzz, Dark Pulse, Dazzling Gleam, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Energy Ball, Flamethrower, Flash Cannon, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Meteor Beam, Power Gem, Scorching Sands, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Surf, Tera Starstorm, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Tri Attack, Water Pulse, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Calm Mind, Endure, Gravity, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Rock Polish, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Toxic, Withdraw

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Terapagos-Stellar.

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[willow vault]

Why the +2?

[molten oasis]

Dark pulse

[solid frigate]

Meteor Beam,Calm Mind

[willow vault]

Ah

[molten oasis]

Man my mu into caly s sucks

Dark pulse

[willow vault]

Ting lu go burrrr

[molten oasis]

Man my mu into zacian sucks, flamethrower

[solid frigate]

my team is kinda busted-

[molten oasis]

Idk about busted

[solid frigate]

pention me not to make a Team at School-

[willow vault]

If I could play better around encore, my team was pretty successful

[solid frigate]

it still has counter play yes

[molten oasis]

Yea, set up zacian lol

Also anything with strong fighting moves

Shifu, yea shifu lol

[solid frigate]

shifu,Koraidon,

[molten oasis]

Gapdos (I doubt it gets any bit relevant)

[solid frigate]

Niche at best

[molten oasis]

Although, it beats koraidon

Still beats double fo

[solid frigate]

yeah

[molten oasis]

Still good into shifu

[solid frigate]

i think my team is ok,i just need to remove fighting types like those with Tornadus or Bolt which eats them

[molten oasis]

Mostly torn but yea

Bolt usually needs Tera to outright beat it

[solid frigate]

but i think like i should focus on mastering Incineroar Pivot

cuz my team tanks Special Moves fairly good,but physical moves... ehhhhhhhh

am i bout to put Terapagos in S tier?

if somebody only ran special Moves on their team Terapagos is hard to remove

[mighty stump]

What I see is an overestimation

Groudon needs to be higher as well

[solid frigate]

i honestly don't know if i shoukd put it in S

[polar canyon]

Kyogre is coming down because of miraidon imo

[foggy lodge]

Oh i was labbing with the Origin Palkia

[polar canyon]

Why is terapagos base form there if you can't even use it in battle

[foggy lodge]

Would it be good? Is a faster Palkia with like 150 special attack

120 speed

[solid frigate]

thats why its F,its useless like Cosmog and Cosmoem

[mighty stump]

I think the Origin formes are gonna be interesting

[solid frigate]

i feel like they definently have some play

[polar canyon]

Then it's more literally unusable than so bad it's unusable

[foggy lodge]

And also with the item i think you get a mystic water + dragon fang

[willow vault]

It’s an interesting change up, I chose the normal form (non origin) since I wanted to use slow Palkia and make use of Trick room but origin has its strength and weaknesses

[polar canyon]

Cant wait to use the newly added origin forme of giratina

[solid frigate]

Dragon Fang is not a move-

[foggy lodge]

The item

That gives you 20% extra damage in dragon attacks

[willow vault]

I may be wrong but if your using origin form you are forced into using their stone to change form

[polar canyon]

Well ogerpon is forced to hold the masks and it's pretty good

[willow vault]

So you can’t have an individual item, lacks options

[solid frigate]

forgot

[willow vault]

Just a comparison of the base form and origin

[molten oasis]

Groudon A Kyurem White B

[willow vault]

Agreed

[molten oasis]

Mirai S kyogre A

[foggy lodge]

The item itselfs gives you 20% extra on the water/dragon moves

[nocturne holly]

Are we in reg f still

or have w moved on

[molten oasis]

Yes, we theorizing

[willow vault]

I prefer a berry to maximise its survivability

[nocturne holly]

alright got me scared for a minute

[molten oasis]

Origin dialga b

[polar canyon]

I mean the topic has moved on

[molten oasis]

Uhm, yea

Idk about anything else, I haven’t played with caly

[polar canyon]

If all the better item options for wake are already taken could I consider white herb for draco meteor?

It does get used up against intimidate sadly

[solid frigate]

so we remove holy fu tier

[molten oasis]

Yea cuz idt it needs to be there

[polar canyon]

You can just make it s+

[molten oasis]

There’s counterplay to everything

[polar canyon]

Caly shadow is definitely s+

[molten oasis]

Id just say top of s tier

[willow vault]

Looks good

[molten oasis]

#1

[foggy lodge]

The Pokémon i wanted to lab most was Lunala but i don't know good would it be

[polar canyon]

Like what's the counter to calyrex that isn't an av mon used specifically for it

[molten oasis]

Then Miraidon, then Terapagos (im serious) and then Zacian

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Tera Fighting Calyrex-Shadow Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 156 HP / 0 SpD Terapagos-Stellar: 152-180 (59.6 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Well-

[molten oasis]

Shifu, ting Lu

[willow vault]

Giratina (both forms) way to high, it ain’t close to that good

[wooden gazelle]

thoughts?
https://pokepast.es/d5cba683deec6f85

[polar canyon]

Aint it gonna tera fairy

[molten oasis]

What is snorlax doing there

[foggy lodge]

Let him cook

[wooden gazelle]

hee hees and ha has

[wooden gazelle]

fr

[molten oasis]

Oh no

It’s not like ting Lu dies to that

[wooden gazelle]

snorlax likes sinistcha

[solid frigate]

I want to pput Terastal form in A tier

[molten oasis]

Oh also kingambit and incineroar

[foggy lodge]

I think it's good but Archaludon would be better with something like assault vest or the herb item

[willow vault]

Thanks for moving the Giratina

[gentle crag]

crephace has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[polar canyon]

It's not like people are gonna be using terapagos without the option to tera

[wooden gazelle]

ight bet

[molten oasis]

Just dark types in general

[solid frigate]

Me and Tofu:

[molten oasis]

I like terapagos in s just cuz like

[polar canyon]

So you're gonna have a terapagos that's not tera stellar?

[foggy lodge]

Terapagos seems so good but it will probably stay as your main tera

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos-Terastal

Type

Normal

Abilities

Tera Shell

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/95/110/105/110/85

Total

600

Base Species

Terapagos

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[solid frigate]

even without Tera its alright

[polar canyon]

What I'm saying is even if you don't plan on using tera, you have the option regardless

[molten oasis]

You have a spread 120 base power no drawback move (at all) with an ability that allows it to set up pre Tera and then sweep post Tera

[polar canyon]

You can't not have the option

[molten oasis]

The only draw back is that terapagos is a Tera hog

[foggy lodge]

Calm mind seems a good set

[molten oasis]

Which is fine as you can just roll teams with it

[polar canyon]

It's not super fast

That's a very tiny drawback compared to the good points

[foggy lodge]

I remember when someone tried to use tera ghost to avoid terapagos's signature move

[molten oasis]

It makes up for that with incredible bulk

[foggy lodge]

Got oneshoted lmao

[polar canyon]

Oh yeah can't forget the fact that the 120 power spread move with no drawback also can't be resisted

[willow vault]

Not even by steel?

[polar canyon]

It's stellar type

[willow vault]

Oh

[foggy lodge]

If you tera is always super effective i think

[willow vault]

I thought it was a normal type move

[polar canyon]

Neutral to everything and supereffective against any terastallized pokemon

[willow vault]

Good to know

[polar canyon]

Just stellar tera blast also does that but without spread and lowers both the users defenses

And 100 bp

[molten oasis]

Can I get the template for that tier list?

[polar canyon]

Teleport cosmoem pivot is gonna reign supreme in the meta fr fr ong

[molten oasis]

@solid frigate

[willow vault]

Thoughts on tangerines?

[polar canyon]

They're nice but not much better than oranges

[willow vault]

Interesting

I think they are both good

[foggy lodge]

Genuine question but does teleport does something outside of being a hard switch but bad

Does it have another effect or something?

[willow vault]

Outside battles it would teleport you to the last Pokemon centre you visited

[dapper crag]

Move: Teleport

If this move is successful and the user has not fainted, the user switches out even if it is trapped and is replaced immediately by a selected party member. The user does not switch out if there are no unfainted party members.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

20 (32)

Priority

-6

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[molten oasis]

It’s worse hard switching lmao

[foggy lodge]

Oh so it ignores shadow tag?

[mighty stump]

No it's not lol

[foggy lodge]

That's something atleast

[mighty stump]

It's delayed pivot so you can reactively reposition

It's like slow parting shot/slow u-turn

[pearl wind]

was super good in gen8 singles on slowbro/king because on those it was paired with regenerator but they dont have teleport in gen9

[willow vault]

I would assume they now use chilly reception instead since they lost teleport

[pearl wind]

the kings use chilly, bro is stuck with hard switching

[willow vault]

Sad for slowbro, but oh well

[pearl wind]

[solid frigate]

aight back

[willow vault]

Gapdos wanted the template you used

[solid frigate]

https://tiermaker.com/create/legendary-pokemon-gen-1-9-all-forms-15551000?presentationMode=true

[willow vault]

@molten oasis

[solid frigate]

Mew

[molten oasis]

Cool

[solid frigate]

me when i tera my Incineroar to Ghost against BM Ursaluna:

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-pokemon-terapagos-eating-gif-2969040560991740670

anyways i'm back from Eating Dinner

[solid frigate]

similar to mine but yea make sense

[dull ibex]

yeah I enjoy set up balance ngl

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2091915390
gastrodon ftw

[molten oasis]

S-tires are ordered

[solid frigate]

noice

[charred saddle]

drago

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2091918763

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2091920049

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/bb188b253082ceb6

look at this shit im cooking drago

itts so fucking dumb and funny

[elder bridge]

What is a counter to glimmora

[charred saddle]

ground

[solid frigate]

water

[charred saddle]

i mean you cant just think of countering it 1 by 1

you need to know why you are open to glimmora

[solid frigate]

always run Focus sash

[charred saddle]

like if its glimmdozo teams, you cant just focus on the glimmora

glimm can still bring power herb meteor beam

but generally, its not that speedy or hits that hard if u resist or like neutral

and just hit it with 4x ground weak

no STAB can still gets ko, and even if it teras. thhats better

[solid frigate]

it runs sash and toxic debris

[charred saddle]

??

its not always so

[solid frigate]

most sets use them

i think

[charred saddle]

"most sets"

goodluck finding that 6% every single battle

im not saying it cant, people just find the quick +1 meteor beam deleting incin is nice

and forcing incin to tera / FO it is also nice

FO glimm means u set toxic debris

[solid frigate]

i swear i encountered 5 times in 3 hours that has Glimmora

[charred saddle]

bro, im not saying its a myth

i said in context that "while u can run sash, you can still bring power herb:

never have i said that its not sash

[solid frigate]

you make me feel bad about myself rn but ok-

[charred saddle]

[autumn vault]

Anyone want to Bo3? restricted format

[solid frigate]

i'm already sick today

[solid frigate]

i guess, 1 or 2 restricted?

[autumn vault]

1 restricted

[molten oasis]

👀

[autumn vault]

My username is Lycopoky Slimesy

[solid frigate]

ok

[charred saddle]

if ur comparing sickness im currently bedridden due to fucking typhii infection

what can i do about it?

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[charred saddle]

and i cant cry and still have exams for my fucking uni

but yes

[molten oasis]

Picked up on gapdos I see

[autumn vault]

yours?

[solid frigate]

MorrisPXG456

[charred saddle]

gapdos flamepon gastro feels very nice

flamepon weak to water when tera, theres gastro, if theres waterpon flamepon can still ohko with horn leech.

if it doesnt tera gapdos can force tera with bravebird

and can now safely lead flamepon gapdos since defiant boost is also nice

[autumn vault]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen94v4doublesdraft-2091930022

[molten oasis]

Yea

Gastro makes s lot of sense

[charred saddle]

metagross still fits the niche of getting rid of amoongusses and flutter

and the knockoff feels nice, but BP is so shit in some times

[molten oasis]

Lmao fr

Team looks solid

[charred saddle]

i still dk about fari and tinglu tbh

fari is ok for prio MU and like TR thing

but like times i brought fari, it feels like it doesnt do anything

tinglu is okayish since now i can safely play into some special attackers and play slower, but then again becomes open to grass

and water again, which makes gastro kinda needs to be with it too

also thinking about snarl tinglu

but throat chopcan single handedly winning with BM fari hmm

eh

ill think about it next time

[autumn vault]

GGs @solid frigate

[solid frigate]

ggs

[autumn vault]

I did not expect terapagos to survive that

[solid frigate]

i do not regret running Terapagos

[autumn vault]

In game 1 if that bolt strike didn't miss i would have won it

[solid frigate]

i remove all the Special Defense EVs for Physical Defense

[autumn vault]

I do not regret using clear amulet Zekrom

[polar canyon]

Where yall playing restricted already

[solid frigate]

true

[solid frigate]

yep for prep

[solid frigate]

I would say Zekrom is not half bad,infact its good

[dull ibex]

where

[solid frigate]

we just do 4v4 doubles draft

[dull ibex]

interesting

[autumn vault]

Unlike Miraidon and Bolt, Zekrom has a way to buff it's speed

while also buffing it's mighty attack and make bolt strike hit like an airplane

[solid frigate]

Somehow Garchomp does not learn dragon dance but zekrom does

[polar canyon]

Scale shot gonna be funny if gen 10 has megas

Since the reason mega chomp isn't used is lower speed than normal chomp

[autumn vault]

My tier list of legendaries

I would put the raidons in S and terapagos in S

[polar canyon]

Thats from gen 7 right

[autumn vault]

ik

Ik where to make a 1-9 legend tier list

[polar canyon]

Was dawn wings really better than dusk mane back then?

[autumn vault]

It gets expanding force

and tera can help it remove it's weaknesses or amplify it's damage output

[polar canyon]

Wait so that's a gen 7 list for gen 9 meta?

[autumn vault]

yes

[solid frigate]

Lunala:

[polar canyon]

But xerneas and yveltal

Oh yeah and lunala has multiscale

Just different name

[solid frigate]

Shadow Shield

[polar canyon]

Yep that's multiscale

Isn't that a reason to still have it over necrozma?

[solid frigate]

also where the fuck is zygarde

[solid frigate]

Necrozma has the same ability

[polar canyon]

Stuck in gen 8

[solid frigate]

then why is Xerneas and Yveltal Here

[polar canyon]

No it doesn't

[autumn vault]

I am making a new one, i already have it in it's spot

[solid frigate]

like idk why its still here

[dapper crag]

Ability: Prism Armor

This Pokemon receives 3/4 damage from supereffective attacks.

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[solid frigate]

i haven't play Necrozma for so long.

like I did not consider Necrozma in Gen 9 cuz i want to use Terapagos

[polar canyon]

It's much slower too which is another point

[autumn vault]

My (Complete) tier list

(Seriously i would put Zekrom in B tier)

[solid frigate]

fair enough

[autumn vault]

I also regret putting reshiram so high, pretend its still in B tier but at the back

[solid frigate]

should i build my tier list based on Restricted legendaries from Favouritism?

[polar canyon]

No one's stopping you

[dull ibex]

1v1 anyone?

[autumn vault]

I forgot about the gen 3 legends

This is 100% my opinion on the viability

[dull ibex]

design or viability?

[gentle delta]

Swap Zacian and Ice Rider and it’s basically correct

Zacian stonks will drop heavily this gen

[dull ibex]

groudon is too low if its viability

zekrom is historically mid

which is big sadge

[gentle delta]

Zekrom is trash yes

[solid frigate]

Restricted Legendary Tier List but about my favourtism

[autumn vault]

Zekrom would be in B tier, no joke

[gentle delta]

Nah its C or less

[dull ibex]

zekrom on a vability tierlist is d

[gentle delta]

Especially as Miraidon is a significantly better mon of its typing

It doesn’t get any good way to abuse Teravolt

[dull ibex]

groudon is S tier with kyogre imo

[autumn vault]

Miraidon does not get a way to buff it's speed (agility i forgor), Zekrom does which is something to consider

[dull ibex]

its a bit weaker then kyogre but still

[gentle delta]

Miraidon is already naturally fast af

[solid frigate]

without Primal,Groudon is way worse that the Orca

[gentle delta]

Combine it with tailwind and you’re fine

[dull ibex]

way worse is a giant stretch

[gentle delta]

Kyogre is S Groudon is A

[solid frigate]

i would say bit worse maybe

[gentle delta]

Groudon is S in the lens of Trick Room only though

[pearl wind]

miraidon does get agility if you mean statboosting moves

[dull ibex]

its only worse because torn and ogre pair so ungodly well

[gentle delta]

Third best restricted for TR

[autumn vault]

groudon performs better than B tier legends but feels worse than the better A tiers

[dull ibex]

I dont agree personally, I think its really good as a standard setter as well

[solid frigate]

yes i am a Rayquaza Hater don't at me

[dull ibex]

even if thats true that makes it S alone

Rayquazza is really mid imo

mega ray is the giant menace

[gentle delta]

Groudon isn’t even an objective best at its job which sorta keeps it from S tier

[dull ibex]

is it because torkoal competes?

[gentle delta]

Kyogre beats all other rain setters. Torkoal and Koraidon both have arguments over Groudon

[dull ibex]

OH we are counting koraidon?

[gentle delta]

And imo not being the absolute best at its job keeps it from S

[solid frigate]

my tier list is about favouritism so yeah

[dull ibex]

koraidon is flat out better this gen

[gentle delta]

Why wouldn’t we

No on a vacuum Groudon beats Koraidon

[bold geode]

No......

[gentle delta]

Koraidon is something you need to heavily build around

[dull ibex]

its not in the game yet so i made a silly assumption

thats on me

[gentle delta]

Wdyfm Koraidon isnt in the game

[dull ibex]

sorry it hasnt been usable in competitive yet

[gentle delta]

Yes and you cant convince me otherwise

[bold geode]

Ok, agree to disagree lol

[dull ibex]

I was just speaking from restricted I have experience with

[solid frigate]

i don't see Groudon being Greater that Kyogre without Primal reversion

[gentle delta]

S tier is reserved for mons who are uncontested in their jobs. Groudon is not uncontested in its job.

[dull ibex]

I think koraidon mane could be a force to be reckoned with this gen

[gentle delta]

One of Groudons bigger uses is also gone, beating Xerneas

[dull ibex]

is xernaes gone again?

[solid frigate]

so Koraidon Mane vs Miraidon Bundle?

[dull ibex]

it was mid af in swsh

[autumn vault]

My tier list based on favouritism

[gentle delta]

Wdym again its never been in the game

[solid frigate]

Terapagos Stan Unite

[dull ibex]

oh its not in the game? okay

I thought it was in but was going to be mid again

[gentle delta]

Xerneas is the strongest restricted legendary by competitive success of all time

[dull ibex]

fair enough

[gentle delta]

It was only mid because of Dynamax

In the no dmax formats it was above zacian

[dull ibex]

maybe its good its not in then lmao

I do want to play around with restricted formats im very excited

[gentle delta]

With fairy tera and beads of ruin it can 2hko a heatran even at 4x resist

[dull ibex]

I hated swsh because I was pretty awful at the game and didnt get it

[gentle delta]

Just dont expect your pet stuff to work in restricted

Its a very narrow but high skill format

[dull ibex]

I think im atleast semi competent now so im curious how my opinion changed

pet stuff?

I love incin now

[gentle delta]

Like every time I see you build you try to make certain things work that dont. Or avoid using certain meta

You wont have success that way in restricted

[dull ibex]

oh yeah, im just using rentals now

[polar canyon]

100% accurate viability tier list (how much I like the designs)

[dull ibex]

im not building anymore

[autumn vault]

Cosmog at S is based

[solid frigate]

sad Dialga

[polar canyon]

Miraidon a koraidon s

[autumn vault]

I also like Zekrom at A tier

[polar canyon]

They weren't in the template

[dull ibex]

I assume you mean the effort to make chalk work agian? that was a huge losing battle

[gentle delta]

My restricted tier list for TR teams (only teams that matter to me)

Ice Rider
Lunala
Palkia
Groudon
Dialga

Making a video soon too about it

[polar canyon]

I don't remember what it was but you made a pretty big stretch with the k

[dull ibex]

kaina was hands at some point

also rapid striKe

which was for my amusement only lmao

[polar canyon]

Yeah that's what it was

[dull ibex]

tbf I stand by that team is okay

[polar canyon]

Fits the role yeah but the k is the biggest stretch

[dull ibex]

vastly outclassed

[gentle delta]

Ursaluna was a good K for chalk when I did it in Reg E

Ran

cress, heat, woger, hands, ursa and lando

[polar canyon]

kursaluna?

[dull ibex]

Im also leaning my need to use my own mons

its not worth the struggle anymore

[polar canyon]

Dude why isn't blood moon ursaluna named cursaluna