competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

It’s so damn hard to beat a terapagos

[solid frigate]

i mean if you look at my set tho
Pneuma (Terapagos-Terastal) @ Leftovers
Ability: Tera Shift
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 156 HP / 32 Def / 252 SpA / 32 SpD / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Thunderbolt
• Dazzling Gleam
• Energy Ball

[molten oasis]

Go calm mind or meteor beam imo

[solid frigate]

i get one shotted by Miraidon so yeah

[molten oasis]

You want to utilize your bulk imo, and ability

[solid frigate]

i am keeping Dazzling Gleam for any Korai/Mirais

[molten oasis]

Sure

[solid frigate]

wait so Power Herb Terapagos?

[molten oasis]

Yea

You meteor beam and then go unga bunga Tera starstorm spam

[solid frigate]

Mhm

also i just love the Meteor Beam animation

lemme log off TOTK and enter Violet

[molten oasis]

Lol

I’m trying to figure out how to handle terapagos, you can’t ohko it

Literally impossible

[solid frigate]

if you do not invest on bulk (Aka Me) then Miraidon one shot

[molten oasis]

Having a Mon that just has a neutral attack into literally everything

Is so hard to deal with

[solid frigate]

I can try Invest in Special Bulk

cuz Physical i have Incineroar

[molten oasis]

You’re bulk is fine

[solid frigate]

yeah but its not enough,plus its already Meteor beam so-

[molten oasis]

It’s not enough?

What’s the team

[solid frigate]

Miraidon still one shot my Terapagos

[molten oasis]

Post Tera

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/c5078528fafa638c

Reminder it has Lando I

Speed stat i am fine with it being slow

[molten oasis]

Oh, I thought we were talking in single restricted terms

[solid frigate]

yeah.... Kyogre is my main Restricted and Terapagos will replaced By Fire Ogerpon at that time

[molten oasis]

Neat

[solid frigate]

i swear i am naming my Terapagos Pneuma Cuz XENOBLADE REFERENCE BABY

[willow vault]

Just lost to a ursa player (not Bloodmoon) by 11% over a 3 game set. Big sad

[solid frigate]

I have to play Oger Oustin to get fresh start Mochi for pagos''

[willow vault]

Have fun

[molten oasis]

I don’t get the xenoblade hype

[solid frigate]

5 rounds,NOT A SINGLE ONE

[molten oasis]

Oof

I’m not home but I have like, 27 lol

I should get around to grinding ogre oustin

Power item grinding sucks

[solid frigate]

yeah the berries are not reliable at all

i need one for Terapagos,and one for whimsicott

no fresh starts

my god 10 rounds

NO FRESH START MOCHI

[molten oasis]

How have you done 10 rounds?

[solid frigate]

no like 10 tries

i word it wrongly

sorry english is not my main language

[molten oasis]

All good

You should get a group maybe

[solid frigate]

maybe,i'll try my team first

[molten oasis]

Or like, at least one other person and do the normal difficulty

[solid frigate]

i need to see how BS Terapagos is

[molten oasis]

I would have sent replays but tofu wants to keep his teams secret so I won’t

However, I can do a bo3 with your team if you make one centered around terapagos

[solid frigate]

yeah i know,he also made a Pagos team

[solid frigate]

I could try

[molten oasis]

Start with incin rilla terapagos

Double fo+ any set up Mon is good

[solid frigate]

aight

[molten oasis]

Then do the rest

[solid frigate]

why did someone want to Iron Hea my whimsicott and let my Terapagos Set uo

[molten oasis]

Whimsicott is fucking annoying

I tend to go kill whims immediately cuz I don’t want to deal with it

[solid frigate]

Yeah thats why My Team technically annoying to deal cuz Terapagos and Whimsicott while Insinceroar exists

alright, +2 Meteor Beam chips Garchomp's Health in Half so i guess its Ok?

[solid frigate]

or just Trick Room

Whimsicott is bad with Trick Room

[molten oasis]

Yea, but like

Encore is really annoying to deal with and since whims usually runs a sun move, I try to remove it before it gets sun

[dull ibex]

gonna use another wolfe team

[molten oasis]

If it has to pick between one or the other I don’t have to deal with both

[dull ibex]

he seems to be using non gimmick teams alot lately

[solid frigate]

I don't have a sun move on Whimsicott because i use Rain Teams (I love Rain Teams)

[molten oasis]

Why aren’t you using torn then

[dull ibex]

torn fits on both weathers btw

[molten oasis]

Ik

[dull ibex]

sun and rain

[solid frigate]

Kyogre,Plus i don't want another Weakness that Miraidon can abuse

[molten oasis]

Whims is typically the sun choice

[dull ibex]

well. it depends

torn is both, but i agree whim fits on sun well

[molten oasis]

I think torn fits better on rain because bleakwind miss isn’t missing in rain

[dull ibex]

agreed

just mentioning both are great on sun 🙂

torn is super flexible

[solid frigate]

i just don't want another weakness about Miraidon and i don't have Tornadus

[molten oasis]

Yea, and it’s something I generally don’t use

[molten oasis]

Team?

[solid frigate]

so Whimsicott is my next best thing if i don't have torn

[dull ibex]

is this reg g prep?

prepping for legendaries is almost pointless right now imo

[solid frigate]

didn't i sent that before lol

https://pokepast.es/a58a57a79d14b789
https://pokepast.es/c5078528fafa638c

[dull ibex]

I do know for fact im using koraidon mane sun though

[molten oasis]

Who the fuck said you’re weak to miraidon

[solid frigate]

me got totally annihilated by Corny's Miraidon:

[molten oasis]

Well corny runs specs

[dull ibex]

thats a piloting issue I think

[molten oasis]

Also, you have snarl bolt

[dull ibex]

your team isnt weak to moraidon

[molten oasis]

And lando incarnate

[solid frigate]

wait i fucking forgot

I FUCKING FORGOT

I FORGOT HALF OF MY TEAM RESIST ELECTRIC

[molten oasis]

Add torn

[solid frigate]

i don't have that btw

[molten oasis]

Get one

[dull ibex]

or use rentals

[molten oasis]

Tornogre is probably gonna be pretty solid

[dull ibex]

its going to be great again

[molten oasis]

Honestly if you want I could give you mine (I hate torn)

[solid frigate]

sure idm

[molten oasis]

Cool, I’ll let you know when I get home

[solid frigate]

ok i am still here for a WHILE

sorry Whimsicott ;-;

[molten oasis]

It’s outclassed in this case

[solid frigate]

yeah

[molten oasis]

And honestly, miraidon doesn’t want to lead into torn lando

Unless it REALLY wants torn off the field

[autumn vault]

My Zekrom annihilated his with a bolt strike in electric terrain when it tera'd into fairy

[solid frigate]

Holy shit Sucker Punch gambit Killed Kyogre one shot-

[molten oasis]

My zacian (well piloted) tends to beat it

I honestly don’t think miraidon will be THAT bad

[autumn vault]

These are the replays, the 3rd one is when i annihilated his miraidon

[molten oasis]

I think terapagos will be worse

[solid frigate]

well,i guess i can use Terapagos for that

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/gloogy-pokemon-terapagos-gif-8449143467371418881

[solid frigate]

Corny really only said about weakness about Terapagos,i think there is a way for Pagos to destroy his team

+2 SpA is just-

[molten oasis]

Well, honestly

Terapagos is 1, VERY hard to kill

2, hits hard

[solid frigate]

hits hard after setup

[autumn vault]

3. Fast af after a rock polish/tailwind

[molten oasis]

3, removes weather and terrain

[molten oasis]

Why are you using that

[solid frigate]

unless you are smogon

[molten oasis]

There’s no point

[autumn vault]

Not all will run it, but there will be those that will (its inevitable)

[molten oasis]

Yea, singles players

[solid frigate]

i don't need speed on Terapagos

[molten oasis]

Id rather have a set up move that boost special attack than speed

[solid frigate]

Terapagos you want to be Bulky as fuck

and i don't need speed to win

[molten oasis]

Lmk when you finish the terapagos team so we can bo3, if you want to ofc

[solid frigate]

i can try to

but i need time on that

[molten oasis]

I can wait no worries

[solid frigate]

alright

[molten oasis]

Anyone else wanna bo3 reg f or g?

[solid frigate]

WHO RUN DRAGON DANCE ROARING MOON WITH FLAMETHROWER

[molten oasis]

Idiots

[solid frigate]

WHAT THE FU-

Dragon Claw,Knock Off/Jaw Lock,Ddance and Protect-

[autumn vault]

Idiots, like Big-Ass idiots

[solid frigate]

yeah i was like:Why. why Flamethrower

If its Fire Fang its alright but Flamethrower is idiotic

[molten oasis]

Why would you even do anything but like

Acrobatics or even stomping tantrum

[dapper crag]

Roaring Moon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Crunch, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Earthquake, Facade, Fire Fang, Fly, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Iron Head, Jaw Lock, Knock Off, Lash Out, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Outrage, Rock Slide, Scale Shot, Shadow Claw, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Take Down, Throat Chop, Thunder Fang, U-turn, X-Scissor, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Air Slash, Dark Pulse, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Heat Wave, Hurricane, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Incinerate, Snarl, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Focus Energy, Leer, Protect, Rest, Roar, Roost, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Tailwind, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Roaring Moon.

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[molten oasis]

Even rock slide

Iron head

[autumn vault]

Tera flying acrobatics sets > Tera poison sets

[molten oasis]

Damn this movepool is fat

Ehhhhhhh it depends

If you need supportive moon I prefer Tera poison

[solid frigate]

not another Psyspam Team-

[molten oasis]

If not Tera flying acro

[autumn vault]

I always go offensive moon

[solid frigate]

i met a psyspam team-

Welp time to show how BS is Incineroar

[autumn vault]

Acrobatics, Knock Off, Tailwind and Protect

[solid frigate]

METEOR BEAM ARMAROUGE???

[autumn vault]

Meteor beam armarouge is the most relevant set

Unless there is no power herb

[molten oasis]

That’s not unheard of at all

[solid frigate]

i forgot that existed in the first place

[molten oasis]

It’s a way to remove its problems, incin

Then it meets snarl bolt and cries

[solid frigate]

ok that guy forfited-

[autumn vault]

Like every special attacker without a super effective move against it (remove it and take 1 snarl, 2 is too much and 2 is very likely with 2 pokemon on the opposing field without a super effective move)

[solid frigate]

yeah that one shotted incineroar in Light Screen

[molten oasis]

Nah I lead bolt anyway

Into hatt for example

They either don’t get tr up to try and kill bolt or they go into tr mode -1

[solid frigate]

i'll try Whim+Bolt Lead (Cuz idk what i am doing at this point)

[molten oasis]

I actually got a game where the Deedee and hat both clicked tr expecting me to click tr

It was kinda funny

[solid frigate]

bro bamboozled himself

[molten oasis]

I was like

https://tenor.com/view/one-punch-man-ok-saitama-gif-4973579

[solid frigate]

someone named it Nurse Joy-

[autumn vault]

Funny play

[autumn vault]

Worse than indedede ngl

[solid frigate]

i just want to see how much damage does Max HP Water Spout with Rain deal to Amoongus

half health,I

[molten oasis]

If you expect me to tr, don’t lmao

[solid frigate]

i'll take it

[molten oasis]

I found a imprison indeedee today that was, upsetting

[autumn vault]

0 SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 236 HP / 116 SpD Amoonguss in Rain: 70-83 (31.9 - 37.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

[molten oasis]

I’m also not going play bo1 anymore cuz it made me doubt my team

[solid frigate]

its 252 SPa=

[molten oasis]

I cared about those results too much

[autumn vault]

252 SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 236 HP / 116 SpD Amoonguss in Rain: 84-99 (38.3 - 45.2%) -- 51% chance to 3HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

252+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 236 HP / 116 SpD Amoonguss in Rain: 92-108 (42 - 49.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

[solid frigate]

thats honestly, I'll take it

[molten oasis]

Amoonguss lmao

Built different

[solid frigate]

sorry wrong gif

[autumn vault]

Amoonguss is the original amongus after all

[solid frigate]

Wolfey literally made the Amogus Joke in SWSH when he uses Imposter Ditto on Amoongus

[autumn vault]

My point still stands (Ditto you were supposed to copy a different pokemon not amoonguss)

[solid frigate]

he did that thing in the Video where he uses Markliplier's Smashable Pokemon to Rank 1 and somehow he did that accidentally

anyways

[autumn vault]

Neat

I think ditto will come back in the restricted format (double restricteds)

[solid frigate]

yeah but thing is i just don't really want to use Ditto cuz i am already using Terapagos,a VERY Gimmicky mon

[autumn vault]

True

[solid frigate]

and i already give Choice Scarf to Kyogre

[autumn vault]

I never said you should use ditto

I knew you wouldn't use it

[molten oasis]

Ditto is weird

[solid frigate]

yeah i get you,i ust listing why i can't use One

[molten oasis]

Although I can 100% see ditto used against terapagos

[solid frigate]

i swear if i gonna name my Kyogre an Anime Character,what should i do tho

[autumn vault]

Imagine tera stellar terapagos gets copied by a ditto

[solid frigate]

wait,it can't tera right cuz Terapagos is locked in Stellar Tera

[autumn vault]

Except ditto has shit hp

[solid frigate]

and idk how any other Tera Type Terapagos work

and i swear half of My Team are At least Anime/JRPG References-

[molten oasis]

Oh I didn’t think about it’s interactions with Tera

Maybe not then

[solid frigate]

yeah

[molten oasis]

I’m guessing snarl stuff will be common

[solid frigate]

Also should i name Kyogre something that is Anime reference cuz half of my team has Anime/JRPG Reference already-

[molten oasis]

Idk any anime characters based on gods of the sea

[solid frigate]

the only close thing is One Piece cuz,Wait....

[molten oasis]

No, one piece characters hate the ocean lmao

[solid frigate]

don't tell me i need to make another Xenoblade Reference-

[molten oasis]

At least ones with devil fruits

[autumn vault]

I named my entire houndstone team after Fire Emblem characters, finding your own name for kyogre shouldn't be too hard, just name is Poseidon

[molten oasis]

I did it wrong

[solid frigate]

I mean... Xenoblade 2 has a Titan that looks like a blue Whale/Orca...

[autumn vault]

Then go with it

[solid frigate]

Uraya it is

[molten oasis]

||imu causes islands to explode so, maybe that||

[solid frigate]

This btw

[molten oasis]

Uraya works

That DEFINITELY works

[autumn vault]

I saw it before as a spirit from Smash iirc, or maybe its some other white whale

[solid frigate]

yeah consider i named Terapagos as Pneuma

[autumn vault]

Uraya is not a bad name

[solid frigate]

so here are the Nicknames

Terapagos(Pneuma):Both are very similar in my POV
Raging Bolt(Zenitsu):Thunderclap and Flash
Incineroar(VGC Menace):Self Explanitory
Kyogre(Uraya)
Whimsicott(Sakura)

Lando i am not sure

[autumn vault]

Is there a ground being in Xenoblade?

You can name it after whatever it is

[solid frigate]

well not really... all Titans are basically Islands...

there is one that feels Lando Vibes

I mean Mor Ardain wild area is Deserty

[molten oasis]

Hehe

Whitebeard would be a funny name for lando t

[solid frigate]

best Titan no regrets

[solid frigate]

it would be tho

I'll name Lando I Mor Ardain? or Whitebeard?

[autumn vault]

Saw it in smash

[autumn vault]

Mor Ardain is cooler ngl

[molten oasis]

I’m saying whitebeard cuz I’m biased and don’t know what happens with xeniblade but a chunk of your team is xenoblade so

Xenoblade would match better

[solid frigate]

the colour scheme feels VERY Landorus vibes especially Sandsear Storm is very Desert vibe

named it

ah yes 3 xenoblade references

and yes now People know i am a Huge Xenoblade 2 Fan cuz yes-

[molten oasis]

Was this all for the kyogre team?

[solid frigate]

Yeah-

[molten oasis]

Cool

[solid frigate]

Kyopagos named as

[molten oasis]

Aegis? What?

[solid frigate]

Yes. now you kinda see my VGC name is based on Greninja (base Ability) and Aegis cuz i main them in Smash

[molten oasis]

I see

[solid frigate]

and Terapagos Named as Pneuma cuz i found them similar in My POV

[molten oasis]

Oh, my username literally means cargo drago

[solid frigate]

Ah i see.

[molten oasis]

It used to be dragon but the name was too long I just changed ti drago

[solid frigate]

i mean its cool,dragons are cool for names

[molten oasis]

It worked out

[polar canyon]

I feel like such a pro just because I found out max hp jumpluff with the right spdef investment can outspeed modest lando i and live timid lando i sludge bomb

[solid frigate]

i mean Drake,Drayton,Drayden

Handful of Pokemon characters named after Dragons so so i think you are fine

[molten oasis]

Who tf is using jumpluff over scream tail

[solid frigate]

N one.

[molten oasis]

Fr

[solid frigate]

damn it misoppoturnity to type like this

one

[polar canyon]

Lmk when scream tail gets tailwind

[solid frigate]

i mean Tornadus Exists

[molten oasis]

Counter argument, why

[polar canyon]

Rage powder

[molten oasis]

Jumpluff sucks

[solid frigate]

I rather using Whimsicott

[polar canyon]

Strength sap

[solid frigate]

Amoongus

[solid frigate]

Sinsischa

[polar canyon]

Tailwind amoongus?

[solid frigate]

you can use Multiple Mons damn it

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/sinistcha-pokemon-matcha-gotcha-eepy-speepy-gif-1455778397784449021

Ok

[solid frigate]

i rather use Whimsicott on that

[molten oasis]

If you want tailwind, use torn or whims

[polar canyon]

I'm pretty sure it's actually seen success in some regs with sun

[molten oasis]

If you want rage powder, use amoonguss or sini

If you want strength sap, use sini

[polar canyon]

Regs as in regionals

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/whimsicott-pokemon-my-beloved-heart-gif-9307425364610093366

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[molten oasis]

In what, 2015

[solid frigate]

i need that IMagine to make Live Whimsicott reaction

[polar canyon]

In like a month ago

[molten oasis]

Who the fuck

Brought a jumpluff to a regional

Evidence is needed

[polar canyon]

I can't remember the name but it was tofu who showed it

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 189: Jumpluff

Types

Grass/Flying

Abilities

Chlorophyll, Leaf Guard, Infiltrator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/55/70/55/95/110

Total

460

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[molten oasis]

OH

I was thinking of a different Mon I’m so dumb

[solid frigate]

Live Whimsicott reaction

[polar canyon]

And it was also tofu who told me that intimidate activating torkoal eject pack before drought activates is actually a showdown problem

[molten oasis]

Jumpluff is a nice niche pick on those teams yea

[solid frigate]

ok can somebody explain how Masquerain has Intimidate

like logically why

[polar canyon]

Because its antennae look like an angry face

[solid frigate]

i get why Hitmontop gets it,I get why INCINEROAR Gets it,but how is bug-

[polar canyon]

It's not really scary but like it's a nod to how mimicry is a thing bugs use irl for intimidation

Patterns that look like scary things

[solid frigate]

well you learned somthing new

[molten oasis]

It’s a bug thing yea

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/masquerain.gif

[molten oasis]

It’s ears ig are a vibrant pattern intimidating to most animals

Which is like a kind of nature thing

[solid frigate]

i guess

[polar canyon]

And look like angry eyes

[molten oasis]

To prevent things from eating it

[solid frigate]

angy eyes

welp

[molten oasis]

I think some kind of moth does that

[polar canyon]

There's that one butterfly that looks like an owl face to scare small birds

[molten oasis]

Im like, 90% sure this is one of the moths that do it

[polar canyon]

Masquerain

[molten oasis]

That’s the one lol

Although I think atlas moths just aren’t messed with because of the vibrant colors

[polar canyon]

Aren't those the ones that don't have a mouth and can't eat

[molten oasis]

And it looks like a butterfly

[polar canyon]

Lol maybe that's the inspiration for masquerains mouthless face

[solid frigate]

i kinda see why

[solid frigate]

why i see two salamander heads-

[molten oasis]

They live off of whatever they ate as caterpillars

So they live longer the more they stored up

[molten oasis]

That’s another way

[polar canyon]

Yeah like a couple days

[molten oasis]

The tips of its wings look like predators

To scare off, predators

[solid frigate]

WHY-

[molten oasis]

They can live for up to 2 weeks

[polar canyon]

I thought flying took a lot of energy

Dont hummingbirds starve to death in a few hours of flying

Yo is there no hummingbird pokemon?

[molten oasis]

Hmm

[polar canyon]

Such a free concept

[molten oasis]

Cutiefly is the closest thing

[polar canyon]

Friction of the super fast wings with the air creates sparks or something

[molten oasis]

So no

[polar canyon]

Electric or fire hummingbird

[molten oasis]

Hummingbirds need to eat every 10 minutes

That’s insane

Nature is interesting

[polar canyon]

Apprently some die because they don't eat fast enough

[molten oasis]

Yea

[polar canyon]

Imagine having a wide supply of food and dying because you weren't fast enough at eating

[molten oasis]

Damn man that flower was just too far away smh

Guess I’ll die

[solid frigate]

here, finally,Ignore the Alternate Forms

so ignore Terapagos Normal And Terastal,Giratina Altered,Zygarde 10% and Regular Greninja

this is not in order btw

[polar canyon]

Btw what were you thinking jumpluff was

[polar canyon]

Ant tell if this is what you use in competitive or your favorites

[solid frigate]

those are my favs

[polar canyon]

You like zygarde so much it shows up twice

And greninja

[solid frigate]

Terapagos:ALL FORMS

[polar canyon]

I wonder which season of the anime you like the most and why

It's a hard guess

[solid frigate]

i actually kinda neutral to XY,and i just feel something is weird that make me don't like XY anime that much anymore

rn DP Anime

[polar canyon]

Oh

I thought xyz was too edgy + I'm not watching pokemon for romance

[molten oasis]

Wigglytuff lol

Idk what went through my head

[solid frigate]

lemme see,Amourshipping is Bullshit,Greninja Losing is Bullshit too fast on the League

[polar canyon]

I like sun and moon because it's goofy and relaxed vibes all around

[solid frigate]

i loved Greninja since 2014 so yeah i am not like most Greninja fans who likes Greninja because anime

heck i did not EVEN MENTION A SINGLE WORD ABOUT GRENINJA in Legends ZA trailer

[polar canyon]

I wonder why the trailer was like that

[molten oasis]

Idk

[polar canyon]

Now people think it's future themed

[solid frigate]

no i did mention Talonflame or Flygon Mega moment

[polar canyon]

Even tho it's about the founding of the capital

[solid frigate]

i am still on the hype train lol

[molten oasis]

People wanted mega talonflame?

[solid frigate]

so overhated

[polar canyon]

No

[solid frigate]

Flygon

[polar canyon]

Yea

[solid frigate]

i just mention Talonflame cuz its in the Trailer

[polar canyon]

I'm not even a flygon fan and I know it deserves it

[molten oasis]

For the future, mega Flygon

Not Flygon mega, it’s confusing

[solid frigate]

Mega Incineroar:Mentioned
Me and Wolfey:Oh fuck no

[molten oasis]

Anyway, I want mega, uhh

Primarina

Cuz Primarina is cool

[polar canyon]

It's crazy that a lot of flygon dex entries are about it always being in sandstorms and its wings stirring up sandstorm and it doesn't have sand stream

[molten oasis]

It should get it (if it gets a mega)

[solid frigate]

i want Mega Haxourus,cuz damn it he already done dirty cuz it looks like a Pseudo

[molten oasis]

Hax is screwed over by being pure dragon

[polar canyon]

Sand stream base ability and sand force for mega form ability ‼️‼️‼️

[solid frigate]

Mega Meowstic pls

[molten oasis]

Mega kingambit

[polar canyon]

No

[molten oasis]

Yes

[solid frigate]

why

[polar canyon]

Kingambit is already mega bisharp

[molten oasis]

Because kingambit is cool

[polar canyon]

They need to give megas to mons that are weak without them

[molten oasis]

And I know they’re not gonna use megas only for weak mons

[polar canyon]

Like ampharos

[solid frigate]

Fans:We want Mega Bisharp
Gamefreak:Fuck you guys here's an Evolution

[molten oasis]

You know they’re not gonna fucking do that

[polar canyon]

They've done it before

[solid frigate]

Mega Meowstic plox

[molten oasis]

Yea, and then gave it to lucario and Metagross

[polar canyon]

Sableye, ampharos, mawile, and others

Lucario

[molten oasis]

They’re not gonna restrict themselves to only unpopular mons

[polar canyon]

Lucario is not that strong without a mega

[molten oasis]

It was an example, ok

[solid frigate]

and i cannot belive ONLY DIANCIE GOT MEGA in KALOS

[molten oasis]

Rayquaza and groudon and kyogre

[solid frigate]

yep that-

[polar canyon]

Ok those are the advertised box legends

[solid frigate]

i like Primal Kyogre

[molten oasis]

That DID NOT DESERVE MEGAS

[polar canyon]

It would be lame if the box art just had regular kyogre

[solid frigate]

blame Gen 3 Remakes-

[polar canyon]

No one would be enticed

[molten oasis]

cough coughbdsp and heart good soul silver

[solid frigate]

Fire Red and Leaf Green

[polar canyon]

Did people like bdsp?

[solid frigate]

appearently not

[molten oasis]

No but my point still stands

[polar canyon]

It's all marketing

[solid frigate]

but still Mega Meowstic PLS

[polar canyon]

They want to wow people by showing a shinier cooler version of the legendary they already know

[molten oasis]

That caused an extremely centralized format in gen 6

[polar canyon]

Yeah that was sadly a consequence lol

[molten oasis]

And 7 after megas were reintroduced

[solid frigate]

pls Mega Meowstic

[molten oasis]

…

We heard you the first time

[polar canyon]

Please online legends za fr

[solid frigate]

ik i just coping

[molten oasis]

Ok weak mons that need a mega

[solid frigate]

ok that. that is cool.

[molten oasis]

Hydrapple, it is not very strong

[polar canyon]

Like half of gen 2

[minor roost]

anyone want my magikarp for free

[solid frigate]

agree on it

[molten oasis]

Nah, gen 2 can stay shit

[polar canyon]

Bronzong

[molten oasis]

It got fluttermane that’s good enough

[solid frigate]

i would debate its alright

[molten oasis]

(Yes I count that)

[polar canyon]

Jumpluff (not biased totally)

[molten oasis]

Id like online, if it doesn’t become the vgc format

[solid frigate]

Kalos Starters,they are very underwhelming

[molten oasis]

I don’t want to play against megas

[polar canyon]

Might be wrong for wanting another gen 1 mega but rapidash or starmie

[molten oasis]

Especially Kangaskhan

[solid frigate]

i mean Greninja can just Copy and Paste Ash Greninja as its Mega Form

[polar canyon]

Oh you know gen 10 is gonna have megas if they were in the previous game

[molten oasis]

They’re not gonna give greninja a mega

[solid frigate]

Me who started in Gen 6:

[molten oasis]

I generally doubt they’ll give that starter trio megas tbh

Because of ash greninja

And the fact they won’t be the main starter trio

[polar canyon]

I think they'll give the legends za starters megas instead of giving their final evolutions new forms

[solid frigate]

I mean... Sees Kanto Starters

[molten oasis]

My hope for that starter trio is like, Primarina serperior and then like, infernape

[polar canyon]

So like I unironically think mega incineroar is possible

[molten oasis]

Or Torterra and emboar

[solid frigate]

they could make Greninja another Charizard,but they can just slap Ash Greninja as Mega Greninja cuz its stats are literally Mega Evo stats

[molten oasis]

I stg if they give incin a buff I’m quitting (although let’s be honest who’s gonna use it)

If incin gets a mega, it just needs to be offensive

[polar canyon]

Like they could totally make the starters litten feraligatr snivy or something and give them megas

[molten oasis]

It would be funny if they gave lando t a mega because of incin

[solid frigate]

its 1/4 chance cuz Charizard,Blaziken have Megas,Typhlosion is PLA starter,Skeledirge is too New,Delphox is Kalos Starters

[polar canyon]

I think they will

[molten oasis]

I’m really hoping for Prima

[polar canyon]

Not those starters specifically

But whatever starters they pick

[molten oasis]

As the water choice

Or Torterra

[solid frigate]

Infernape need to become Sun Wu Kong in his mega

like an Actual one

[covert urchin]

MOTH

[molten oasis]

That would likely be the inspiration if they did so

[covert urchin]

also can i get mega charizard x in pokemon y

wait this isnt general

[solid frigate]

also Infernape is my former favourite Pokemon because Chinese Myythology and i am Chinese

[molten oasis]

There is also potential we just get

[polar canyon]

They already gave greninja, typhlosion, samurott and decidueye special treatment with new forms, so they're probably not against giving one starter of the gen a mega

[molten oasis]

Megas the last year of vgc

For gen 9

[solid frigate]

or just slap Ash Greninja as Its Mega and forgot that exists

[polar canyon]

I don't doubt it

[molten oasis]

I don’t think they’d do that

[polar canyon]

And people would be both really happy and really mad that it didn't get a new design

[molten oasis]

Lmao true

If charizard z happens,

Gen 1 trio got enough attention

[polar canyon]

Charizard z and charizard a

[molten oasis]

Let them be

[solid frigate]

if Greninja did not get a Mega,Yep there goees the last chance of Greninja being Relevant in Competitive

[molten oasis]

Not really

They can always buff mons

They’ve been doing that with the dlc

[polar canyon]

Greninja can still use water shuriken on annihilape as a really niche pick if you want to use scarf ape

[molten oasis]

And just, most of gen 9

[solid frigate]

yeah ik but Greninja tho,rarely.

[molten oasis]

Eh

They like giving the popular mons attention

[polar canyon]

Legends za better have double and maybe triple battles

[molten oasis]

Idk about triple

[polar canyon]

You know they have the system to do that because they often made you fight 2-3 pokemon

[solid frigate]

About that....

[molten oasis]

Pff

[solid frigate]

thats like not even 1 Percent.

[polar canyon]

I mean I've seen it more than once

It's not even niche anymore but it has been for a really short time frame

[solid frigate]

the worst part is that Battle Bond is not Legal in VGC

[molten oasis]

Which is fine hehe

[solid frigate]

because its an Event Ability

[molten oasis]

Oh, right ut was an event thing

[polar canyon]

Wait how about dusk lycanroc

[molten oasis]

Ok I can see that trio getting megas although I still doubt it

[solid frigate]

now i kinda don't use Greninja in Competitve so thats why i throw Stellar Tera

[polar canyon]

Technically it was a demo thing

[molten oasis]

MEGA LYCANROC

I want that

[solid frigate]

idk why it allowed oh wait you can get it in the wild now

[molten oasis]

Mega lycanroc would be sick

[solid frigate]

as Own Tempo Rockruff

[molten oasis]

I think nowadays it’s a hidden ability

[polar canyon]

Not a hidden ability

[molten oasis]

I think

…

[polar canyon]

Just like a secret other ability

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 744: Rockruff

Type

Rock

Abilities

Keen Eye, Vital Spirit, Steadfast (Hidden), Own Tempo (Special)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

45/65/40/30/40/60

Total

280

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[molten oasis]

That’s so weird

[solid frigate]

yeah idk why Froakies can't have Battle Bond in Indigo Disk DLC-

[molten oasis]

Ig you just need to catch one

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 745: Lycanroc-Dusk

Type

Rock

Abilities

Tough Claws

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/117/65/55/65/110

Total

487

Base Species

Lycanroc

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[polar canyon]

How would that work with hidden ability lycanroc moon and midnight forms

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 745: Lycanroc

Type

Rock

Abilities

Keen Eye, Sand Rush, Steadfast (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/115/65/55/65/112

Total

487

Other Formes

Lycanroc-Midnight, Lycanroc-Dusk

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[molten oasis]

Losses 2 speed for attack and tough claws

[polar canyon]

I mean it's never been a battle bond froakie has it

It had a z move that cleared hazards I think

Or did it set hazards

[solid frigate]

i mean.... Technically Ash caught Froakie so it might have one

And there are Multiple Battle Bond Greninja in the Anime

just they all look like Ash

[molten oasis]

There are?

[polar canyon]

Maybe it was a coincidence

[solid frigate]

That Mural is shown Before Ash's Greninja Evolved

[polar canyon]

Maybe you can only get battle bond if your outfit has matching colors with ash greninja

[molten oasis]

Ah

So it’s coincidence in anime terms

[solid frigate]

Sun and moon Protags:

[polar canyon]

It had battle bond before being gifted to the sun and moon protags

I'm joking tho ofc

But if I wasn't that would be an excuse

[solid frigate]

ik but my point is,Battle Bond Greninja might have Multiple of them cuz there is Confirmation of 2 existed

But then again,i getting way to ahead of myself

[polar canyon]

They leaned too hard into the ninja theming thing in the anime I think

In a way it's not even supposed to be that much of a ninja as it is a rogue

[solid frigate]

i used Greninja in Gen 6 VGC as Swamp Setter with Venusaur so i kinda want Greninja to be good in Gen 9,but i flew too close to the sun

[polar canyon]

Because that's the starter trio theme

Mage, tank and rogue

[solid frigate]

ah no wonder i love RPGs/JRPGs rn

[molten oasis]

I wanted Hydra to be good so bad

And then learned, it’s typing single handedly holds it back so much

[solid frigate]

For Greninja,Its stats are too bad to do anything

[polar canyon]

It's the case with most starters

[molten oasis]

Like, it has good stats

Good movepool, good signature moves

[polar canyon]

But then they made cinderace and meowscarada

Better protean users

[molten oasis]

I’m talking about hydra

[solid frigate]

its typing is very good,Movepool is fine,but the ability Nerf and Stats are worse makes it fallen from grace

[polar canyon]

It still had good usage this gen

In like the first regulation

Before flutter mane

[solid frigate]

i also love Hydrapple but yeah type is bad

[molten oasis]

What

[polar canyon]

In hydragons defense it was one of the best mons when it was usable at all

[solid frigate]

i changed it

[molten oasis]

Ok I was like tf you mean stats are bad

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1019: Hydrapple

Types

Grass/Dragon

Abilities

Supersweet Syrup, Regenerator, Sticky Hold (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

106/80/110/120/80/44

Total

540

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[solid frigate]

i still in Greninja mode

[molten oasis]

This thing is FAT

[polar canyon]

That's not baaad

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 658: Greninja

Types

Water/Dark

Abilities

Torrent, Protean (Hidden), Battle Bond (Special)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

72/95/67/103/71/122

Total

530

Other Formes

Greninja-Bond, Greninja-Ash

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[polar canyon]

It also has yawn which can be funny in vgc

[solid frigate]

wtf is that sp attack-

[polar canyon]

103

[molten oasis]

106/110/80 is really good

[solid frigate]

103 but no setup moves like Calm Mind or Nasty Plot

only Swords Dance

[molten oasis]

If it’s special attack was higher and had a better typing I think it could be a good av attacker

[polar canyon]

Choice specs take it or leave it

[molten oasis]

That or syrupsweet syrup wasn’t garbage

[solid frigate]

yep the only viable items it own is Life Orb,Specs and scarf

[molten oasis]

Activating once and then going away if you switch is so dumb

[polar canyon]

It's a pretty good av attacker (in random battles)

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 658: Greninja-Ash

Types

Water/Dark

Abilities

Battle Bond

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

72/145/67/153/71/132

Total

640

Base Species

Greninja

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[molten oasis]

Hehe av rilla explodes it

Raging bolt explodes it

[polar canyon]

I love the random battles level 100 sunflora

[solid frigate]

not as Fast as Flutter Mane, but still

[polar canyon]

Chlorophyll tera fire life orb weather ball

[molten oasis]

Fluttermane explodes it

[polar canyon]

Yo

Mega castform

[solid frigate]

MandJTV:YES

[molten oasis]

Pff

[polar canyon]

It just has really bad stats but changes weather before using fire/ice/water moves

Like protean

That could have some niche weather team usage

[solid frigate]

poor Kecleon had to Suffer the losses that Cinderace Made

[polar canyon]

As if anyone used kecleon even when it had protean

[solid frigate]

i literally have Massive Copium and Gave Greninja a Terapagos Style Stellar Form.

[molten oasis]

I cope for lando t

[polar canyon]

Cope for ledian

[molten oasis]

Incin existing ruins it

[polar canyon]

Ledian is perfect for a mega, if beedrill had one ledian can have one

[solid frigate]

Cope for Greninja ok maybe Garchomp

[solid frigate]

Mega Yanmega

[polar canyon]

And it has bad stats just like beedrill but worse

[solid frigate]

Bug Fighting?

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/ledian.gif

[polar canyon]

Look at this guy

[molten oasis]

Mega galvantula

[polar canyon]

Iron fist as an ability is awesome (it has terrible attack)

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 166: Ledian

Types

Bug/Flying

Abilities

Swarm, Early Bird, Iron Fist (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/35/50/55/110/85

Total

390

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[solid frigate]

give it More Attack Stat and Bug Fighting type

[molten oasis]

Those stats are so fucking bad

[molten oasis]

Thah typing is objectively worse

[polar canyon]

Thats gen 1 fully evolved pokemon for you

[solid frigate]

i mean then stay as bug Flying

[polar canyon]

Quagsire was really bad until they introduced hidden abilities

[dapper crag]

Bug, Flying

Hits for 0.5x

Steel

Hits for 1x

Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Rock, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Bug, Dark, Fighting, Grass, Psychic

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

Bug, Fighting

Hits for 0.5x

Fairy, Flying, Ghost, Poison

Hits for 1x

Bug, Dragon, Electric, Fighting, Fire, Ground, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Dark, Grass, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Steel

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[molten oasis]

No, that typing is worse

By a mile

[solid frigate]

you mean which one i am confused

[molten oasis]

I read a thing wrong

[polar canyon]

The one that hits 4 types for 0.5x

[molten oasis]

Defensively

[dapper crag]

- [Bug/Flying]

Immune

Ground

Resists (0.25x)

Fighting, Grass

Resists (0.5x)

Bug

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Ghost, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Electric, Fire, Flying, Ice

Weak (4x)

Rock

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[polar canyon]

Looking at rock

[dapper crag]

- [Bug/Fighting]

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Fighting, Grass, Ground

Neutral damage

Dragon, Electric, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Poison, Rock, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fairy, Fire, Psychic

Weak (4x)

Flying

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[polar canyon]

Honestly bug fighting looks better

[solid frigate]

there is a reason why Ledian Changed its Typing in Radical Red

[molten oasis]

You’re better defensively but so much worse as an offensive Mon

And in the case of you wanting mega ledian, it should stay bug flying or get bug steel because iron fist, iron

[solid frigate]

tbf

[polar canyon]

I don't think they'd make ledian not bug flying tho

[solid frigate]

hitting steel types is still very valueable

[molten oasis]

I doubt it yea

[polar canyon]

Neither would they keep iron fist for the mega

I think it would be special focused

[molten oasis]

Not hitting ghost and fsiry is also bad

[polar canyon]

Punk rock ledian bug buzz‼️‼️

[solid frigate]

imagine they did that-

anyways imma torment the NPCs with the Restricted team

[polar canyon]

Hit Kieran with that specs water spout + helping hand

[molten oasis]

If it gets a mega, it still only gets to 490 and you’d need to allocate stats elsewhere from its special defense

[solid frigate]

even worse,+2 SpA Stellar Tera Starstorm

[molten oasis]

Probably

[polar canyon]

They don't have to stick to the +100 bst every time

[molten oasis]

They’re probably going to

[solid frigate]

remind him about he almost died to it

[polar canyon]

Use ogerpon

[solid frigate]

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 15: Beedrill-Mega

Types

Bug/Poison

Abilities

Adaptability

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/150/40/15/80/145

Total

495

Base Species

Beedrill

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[solid frigate]

i love Le Speed

[molten oasis]

A sucker punch just removes this thing lmao

[solid frigate]

Kingambit:Ah yes,Protein Snack

[molten oasis]

True lmao

[dapper crag]

Beedrill-Mega's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Assurance, Bide, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bug Bite, Cut, Double-Edge, Drill Run, Endeavor, Facade, False Swipe, Fell Stinger, Frustration, Fury Attack, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Knock Off, Natural Gift, Outrage, Payback, Peck, Pin Missile, Poison Jab, Poison Sting, Pursuit, Rage, Return, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Skull Bash, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, Twineedle, U-turn, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Electroweb, Giga Drain, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Infestation, Mega Drain, Ominous Wind, Round, Silver Wind, Sludge Bomb, Snore, Solar Beam, Struggle Bug, Swift, Venoshock

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Baton Pass, Captivate, Confide, Curse, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Flash, Focus Energy, Harden, Iron Defense, Laser Focus, Mimic, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Roost, Sleep Talk, String Shot, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Scent, Swords Dance, Tailwind, Toxic, Toxic Spikes

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Beedrill-Mega.

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[solid frigate]

the moveset actually feels decent

[molten oasis]

Not great coverage

[solid frigate]

thats the main issue,but for like stab moves,eh its alright

[polar canyon]

The point is using stab

Adaptability

The drawback is how easy it is to resist the stabs

[molten oasis]

And the fact it has terrible defenses

[polar canyon]

Not that important but I wanna point out that it has 15 base special attack

[polar canyon]

Hear me out

Neutral nature heatran with uninvested heavy slam to ohko bulky mane

[solid frigate]

wait-

[polar canyon]

Ghost and steel are very common and hard wall it

[solid frigate]

yeah agree

[molten oasis]

Why

You’re gonna miss out on special attack for that?

Does heavy slam really not ohko flutter in the first place?

[solid frigate]

Flash Cannon is way Better

[polar canyon]

4 Atk Heatran Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 116 HP / 204 Def Flutter Mane: 152-180 (104.8 - 124.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[solid frigate]

OH GOD.

[polar canyon]

Modest heavy slam usually doesn't

[molten oasis]

You just flash cannon anyway

Yiu should beat flutter 1v1

[polar canyon]

And it tanks it

The point is not the 1v1

Is keeping the other pokemon in the double battle safe

[molten oasis]

Yea

Sure, you don’t do neutral nature

[polar canyon]

I could do +spatk -def

[molten oasis]

There’s no point, just run flash cannon

That’s terrible

[polar canyon]

Well you don't like neutral

[molten oasis]

Yiu go quiet at that point

Nature

[polar canyon]

Fair

[molten oasis]

And heatran, yea just run flash cannon don’t run heavy slam

[polar canyon]

I want it on a team that has farigiraf so it doesn't sound terrible

The entire point I'm trying to get at is ohkoing mane

[solid frigate]

remember when Steel resist Ghost?

gen 5 moment

[molten oasis]

Run something else

Wrong reply god dammit

[molten oasis]

Run something else

[solid frigate]

lol

[polar canyon]

Where's steel type psyshock

Eh specs flash cannon does ohko it

Lorb

[molten oasis]

Idt yiu run specs either

[polar canyon]

Life orb flash cannon

[molten oasis]

That’s fine

[solid frigate]

Lorb

[polar canyon]

Is clearly what I meant

[polar canyon]

Lorb is life orb

[molten oasis]

Then honestly, run bug lol

[solid frigate]

ik

its just funny

[molten oasis]

A whole reason heatran died was because of lando I

[polar canyon]

That's what I'm gonna do

Not doing grass right now

[molten oasis]

Grass heatran bad

[solid frigate]

thats why Tera Grass exists,but then again,Sludge Bomb

[polar canyon]

I just gotta be careful of mold breaker ogerpon

[solid frigate]

so Bug works better

[molten oasis]

That’s why

[molten oasis]

What is the team

[polar canyon]

Sun

[molten oasis]

…

That’s real helpful

Paste?

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/43925b23ba3cf85f

[solid frigate]

i would imagine just Kyogre did a spirit Bomb water spout-

[polar canyon]

Very early wip

As you can tell

[molten oasis]

Add bolt and flutter then you’re done

[solid frigate]

bolt its just too good

I used it and its way too good

[polar canyon]

I didn't add bolt because of wake

[molten oasis]

Yiu don’t have wake

[polar canyon]

I'm worried about mane

It doesn't have the image in pastes yet

[molten oasis]

You HAVE TORKOAL AND HEATRAN

[polar canyon]

Look closer lol

[polar canyon]

Yeah I added heatran thinking of that

Maybe I'm just paranoid at this point

[molten oasis]

Yea, probably

[polar canyon]

Tho yeah wake is there just look closer

[molten oasis]

Speed booster specs mane also wipes other flutters

[molten oasis]

I saw ir, double dragon is fine

I saw a few sun teams with whims wake bolt chi yu Torkoal and chi Yu

[polar canyon]

Heavy slam raging bolt ez

[molten oasis]

Don’t do that either

[polar canyon]

I'm joking

Does it even get heavy slam?

[polar canyon]

That reminds me that chi yu calyrex shadow is gonna be a thing

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1021: Raging Bolt

Types

Electric/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/73/91/137/89/75

Total

590

Weight (Low Kick BP)

480kg (120 BP)

Height

5.2m

Introduced

Generation 9

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

Yellow

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[solid frigate]

wait how do you do that commanf

[polar canyon]

Learn

I mean the command is learn

[dapper crag]

Raging Bolt's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Crunch, Double-Edge, Dragon Hammer, Dragon Tail, Earthquake, Facade, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, Outrage, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Supercell Slam, Take Down, Thunder Fang, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Charge Beam, Discharge, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Rising Voltage, Shock Wave, Snarl, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Thunderclap, Twister, Volt Switch, Weather Ball, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Calm Mind, Charge, Dragon Cheer, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Endure, Protect, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Taunt, Thunder Wave

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Raging Bolt.

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[solid frigate]

yep it learns Heavy slam

[polar canyon]

Terá steel steel plate heavy slam

That's gonna ohko mane for sure

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

0 Atk Iron Plate Raging Bolt Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 116 HP / 204 Def Flutter Mane: 102-120 (70.3 - 82.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

well sorry to break it to ya

[polar canyon]

I meant band

[solid frigate]

0 Atk Choice Band Raging Bolt Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 116 HP / 204 Def Flutter Mane: 124-148 (85.5 - 102%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

[molten oasis]

Please

Don’t run this even as a joke lol

[polar canyon]

I meant band with helping hand

[molten oasis]

Can’t wait for

“I meant band with helping hand with Tera steel with sword of ruin with -6 defense”

[solid frigate]

lol

[solid frigate]

I actually wheezed

[polar canyon]

And max attack brave nature

[solid frigate]

[zinc perch]

altaria gothielle gholdengo incineroar cyclizar so what would be a good final addition to this team (im not changing anyone else)

basically my head is

altaria gothielle is obvious perish song trap strat

incineroar is incineroar

i want to use cyclizar to to shed tail to allow gholdengo to set up

[next stump]

why altaria over something like Scream Tail?

[zinc perch]

just because i wanna use it not gonna die if i dont if i lose ill just make some changes

just trying some stuff

but im just unsure who i should put as my last mon

im thinking of a defensive mon but also someone who can set up too to be a threat besides gholdengo

but not sure who

[solid frigate]

well time to torment Lacey on how good was Incineroar

[zinc perch]

;v

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bongo-incineroar-cat-hurry-food-please-gif-13530281

[foggy lodge]

What is Cyclizar supposed to do?

[solid frigate]

Shed Tail?

[fringe oar]

Just got a 1 speed iv bloodmoon ursaluna after only 6 resets

[bold geode]

Honestly, I feel like the slower IV speed BM Ursaluna's aren't as valuable at moments cuz like
BM having potential to work with TW or with TR is crazy

[bold geode]

Incineroar asking to swap back in for the 6th time

[solid frigate]

lol

[molten oasis]

“Waiter, more physical attackers please”

[bold geode]

-calc 138*1.5

[gentle crag]

Result: 207.000000

[solid frigate]

PFFT

[solid frigate]

Me with 5 Special Attackers:

[molten oasis]

Snarl Bolt “Waiter, waiter, more special attackers please”

[solid frigate]

exactly

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/c78a7bbbde57da0f

Anyways I made Kyogre Restricted Team

this is technically the one where i don't use Terapagos,I will make the Terapagos Team tmr

[zinc perch]

yeah

basically strat is

hear the strat

altaria perish song with gothielle shadow tag

i swag out altaria for um

[solid frigate]

Thats,Super Gimmicky

[zinc perch]

shed tail guy

shed tail into gholdengo

and incineroar is just incineroar

[zinc perch]

perhaps but nothing wrong with trying it lol

[solid frigate]

ok thats just,Super Gimmicky,like you can't really use all Gimmick mons cuz you only choose 4 mons

[zinc perch]

ok well what if you have 6

[solid frigate]

thats Smogon,Not VGC

VGC is 4 in battle, 2 in bench

[zinc perch]

i see

[solid frigate]

Gimmicky Teams tend to be very challenging to use in VGC

[zinc perch]

well can i just get a recommendation for a 6th preferably a wall a special defense one that isnt weak to earthquake or fighting

[solid frigate]

well i kinda see why there are some unusual mons like Altaria

[solid frigate]

ok so basicallly not weak to great tusk

[zinc perch]

yeah thats okay tho its not gonna be the only team i use, would build others

i just like trying stuff

[zinc perch]

lol basically

[solid frigate]

i was gonna say enamourus Therian but almost all mons are quick as fuck so no trick room

[zinc perch]

hmmm

enamourus a spd wall too?

also can you get that in violet?

[foggy lodge]

Gimmicky teams like this only work in a bo1 closed teamsheet

Aka in-game ladder

[solid frigate]

thats why its definently not VGC Team

[zinc perch]

^

[zinc perch]

its ok i dont think its a championship winning team im just trying something

[solid frigate]

cuz most of the times VGC are open sheets which ruins the element of Suprise in the set

[foggy lodge]

Like sure it's fun, but it's mostly a competitive channel so i don't think there is too much help you can get out of here

[zinc perch]

ok well ignoring the team

any pokemon in mind that are not weak to fighting and earth that are also spd walls

[foggy lodge]

Uhh

Florgess¿

[solid frigate]

i can only think of Primarina

[foggy lodge]

Also Primarina

[solid frigate]

and Registeel? cuz i mean its not gonna die to an Earthquake

[zinc perch]

ouuu

nice nice thanks

i shall ponder over these things

[foggy lodge]

It's weak to fight

How did Registeel fell so bad this gen

At the start of the regulation some people used it

[solid frigate]

invest on Defense and use Assualt Vest?

[foggy lodge]

But now is nobody runs a Registeel Body press which was the most hyped set

[cyan smelt]

Is regice in snow still any good

Or do people just use Articuno instead

[solid frigate]

Articuno feel better than Regice

[foggy lodge]

Articuno

How much special attack does Regice has?

[solid frigate]

100

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 378: Regice

Type

Ice

Abilities

Clear Body, Ice Body (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/50/100/100/200/50

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[foggy lodge]

Uhh

It could be worse

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 144: Articuno

Types

Ice/Flying

Abilities

Pressure, Snow Cloak (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/85/100/95/125/85

Total

580

Other Formes

Articuno-Galar

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[foggy lodge]

Ogerpon had like 550 base stats no?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1017: Ogerpon

Type

Grass

Abilities

Defiant

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/120/84/60/96/110

Total

550

Other Formes

Ogerpon-Wellspring, Ogerpon-Hearthflame, Ogerpon-Cornerstone, Ogerpon-Teal-Tera, Ogerpon-Wellspring-Tera, Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera, Ogerpon-Cornerstone-Tera

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

We are saved that Ogerpon doesn't have like 580 stats

[solid frigate]

the DLC Legendaries had bad BST,but stupidly Broken attacks

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos

Type

Normal

Abilities

Tera Shift

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/65/85/65/85/60

Total

450

Other Formes

Terapagos-Terastal, Terapagos-Stellar

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos-Stellar

Type

Normal

Abilities

Teraform Zero

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

160/105/110/130/110/85

Total

700

Base Species

Terapagos

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos-Terastal

Type

Normal

Abilities

Tera Shell

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/95/110/105/110/85

Total

600

Base Species

Terapagos

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[next stump]

registeel is just so tough with urshifu around

you can go tera fairy to resist dark urshifu but then water urshifu beats you

you can go water tera to beat water urshifu but then dark urshifu beats you

[foggy lodge]

I think it's outclassed because it's best role is the body press strat but Kommo-O does it better

[solid frigate]

My Boi

[molten oasis]

Ok

[solid frigate]

My turtle Boi

[cyan smelt]

Articuno is super annoying

[molten oasis]

I got bodied by a Registeel today

But I also don’t have shifu

[solid frigate]

F

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 379: Registeel

Type

Steel

Abilities

Clear Body, Light Metal (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/75/150/75/150/50

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[molten oasis]

oh, no wonder my bolt did 27% to it

[solid frigate]

Sheer Cold

[solid frigate]

Yeah and it might ran AV

[cyan smelt]

Even with blizzard and freeze dry it's annoying

Also registeel isn't good when lando I is everywhere

[solid frigate]

thats why Assault Vest

[cyan smelt]

Then you can't do iron press

[solid frigate]

body Press*

i think someone ran AV Registeel with different set and worked

[cyan smelt]

Iron def body press, I call it iron press for short

[molten oasis]

Guess what I also don’t have

[solid frigate]

?

[molten oasis]

Lando I

[cyan smelt]

Surely gapdos can take down registeel

[molten oasis]

Not when it Tera’s

Which it often does

[solid frigate]

i have my rights to use Tera Steel Lando I

[molten oasis]

And I don’t have dengo anymore so that’s not an option

[solid frigate]

F

i feel bad

[dull ibex]

what is the most simple archetype right now?

[molten oasis]

Hmm

[solid frigate]

Paonite?

Idk

[molten oasis]

Yea paonite or flutter fish

[solid frigate]

if its Series 1 then its Murkrow

[molten oasis]

Torn glimm also

[cyan smelt]

A-ninetales Articuno

[molten oasis]

No, just, no

A9 Cuno doesn’t seem very easy to pilot

The CONCEPT is simple, in practice no

You’re playing with rng

And even with cuno’s bulk it can still go down

[solid frigate]

yeh

people uses Rentals that are easy to use

[molten oasis]

It’s not as simple as “veil+blizzard”

[dull ibex]

yeah I need simple to pilot

[molten oasis]

And you have to dodge a decent chunk of bad mu’s

[dull ibex]

snow isnt simple to pilot

[solid frigate]

there is a reason why i build teams cuz i want to test the potential

[cyan smelt]

Ttar excadrill then

[dull ibex]

ttar exca is bad no?

[molten oasis]

Ttar excadrill isn’t good

[solid frigate]

Just try Paoniye

[molten oasis]

Again, paonite, flutterfish glimmora, tornshifu

[solid frigate]

Paonite is definetly easiest

[dull ibex]

gotcha Ill get a rental

[molten oasis]

Tornshifu just runs lando i now because of bolt

[cyan smelt]

What about gouging fire kingambit

[molten oasis]

Not, not really

[dull ibex]

I find paonite not easy to pilot

[solid frigate]

how-

[molten oasis]

Well nothing is outright easy to pilot

Especially in a diverse format like this

[solid frigate]

me when i just spam E-Speed and Sucker Punching:

[dull ibex]

I struggle with when to bring prior spam and when not too

[dull ibex]

yeah I dont want to lose every game I play

[molten oasis]

Send replays, I can come watch matches if needed

[solid frigate]

read their Protects

if they protected,use the Priority

[molten oasis]

That sounds like a skill issue, sine paonite really depends on your target prioritization

sorry, miss playing