competitive_discussion

[autumn vault]

So its fine in the right circumstances

[near smelt]

Whim
Stone
Exa
Ttar

[autumn vault]

Bolt

Raging bolt is a good idea

[near smelt]

Wouldn't that leave me open to Lando ground though?

[autumn vault]

Use a counter then

[near smelt]

Since 3 ground weakneses

[autumn vault]

Ogerpon wellspring is a good idea

Keeps it in check

With Jolly 188 evs in speed it can outspeed max speed timid lando-I

[near smelt]

What about Walking Wake :O? or do you think that is exclusively to sun teams

[autumn vault]

Well Walking Wake only sees usage in sun/rain teams

Im not sure how it can peform in sand

[near smelt]

Ahh I see I see

Yeah protosynthesis would just be wasted

So the main objective would be get TW and setup?

With the sand team

[autumn vault]

Sand is enough

Tailwind is nice i will admit

[near smelt]

So what do you think the core strategy will be for sand usually?
I know I may be piloting wrong or no general flowchart stuff to start out on

Since a lot of the team seems a bit on the bulky side

but offensive

[autumn vault]

Getting sand up is imo enough

[near smelt]

😮 really

[autumn vault]

Yes

[near smelt]

Usually there is like a playbook for stuff like thus

[autumn vault]

More setup is always nice

[near smelt]

o.o

[autumn vault]

The core strategy imo is to get sand up and play smart

Trust me sand is a high skill playstyle

It requires a key understanding of the weather, playstyle and plays

[near smelt]

What type of understanding? (This is a curious question, not an patrionizing one) 😮

Ahhh

I think I get what you mean

So it will take time or perfect

[autumn vault]

It will take time

Perfecting it is unnecesary

Trust me as a sand player it requires knowledge

And how to play around other weather teams

[near smelt]

Should I follow your specs?

and how would you spec Stone?

[autumn vault]

Wdym by spec?

[near smelt]

IV/EVs

[autumn vault]

I have a spread on the PC but someone is busy with it

Following my evs is a good idea

[near smelt]

Okay!~ Lemme know when you get around so I can get the specs of houndstone and start testing somethings out/etc

[autumn vault]

For stone, 244 jolly in sand outspeeds max speed jolly scarf urshifu

[autumn vault]

Got it

Will let you know as soon as i get them

[autumn vault]

I am back in master rank with my sand team

[autumn vault]

Also i faced 2 tyranitar teams while climbing to master rank (one with excadrill), a little odd

[timber falcon]

I can imagine the other tyranitar team users saying this

[craggy dagger]

[gentle crag]

stargazer_nova has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky

[autumn vault]

Atleast i have proof its good

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2084617976 my best goltres sweep yet

[autumn vault]

Why hurricane on G-Moltres?

[timber falcon]

To max out damage I guess, I did test out air slash for a bit but in the end hurricane helped out much better

Sure it’s rng but it does do better for me

[autumn vault]

If its better for you then go ahead

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah and cause I’ve gone with a rly bulky set so air slash flinch ain’t happening due to no speed invested

[craggy dagger]

air cutter though-

[dapper crag]

Move: Air Cutter

Has a higher chance for a critical hit.

Type

Flying

Category

Special

Power

60

Accuracy

95

PP (max)

25 (40)

Targets

All adjacent opponents

Introduced

Generation 3

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Slicing

Boosted by Sharpness.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[autumn vault]

Houndstone @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Sand Rush
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 92 HP / 140 Atk / 4 Def / 28 SpD / 244 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Last Respects
• Will-O-Wisp
• Howl
• Protect

the set i use

[chrome knot]

no..

[craggy dagger]

[atomic mural]

ok hear me out, electric seed grass ogerpon is my sleeper pick for a restricted format

[chrome knot]

waterpon miraidon flutter core

[magic kite]

Hey y'all quick question, is it possible for a Urshifu Rapid Strike to out speed a Chien Pao without using a priority move? Like if the Urshifu used surging strikes

[chrome knot]

choice scarf

[atomic mural]

if its scarfed yes

[magic kite]

Ok thanks 🙏🏽

[gentle crag]

akuumaaz has given 1 Gen Rep to cornyplays

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/7a123d6f198add56 like im cooking

[chrome knot]

no ivy cudgel on pon ..?

[atomic mural]

yeah ill change that

my brain at the moment of making the decision was like "horn leech for help recovering" but nah. ivy cudgel better

https://pokepast.es/49cebdf1e0f3fb1c like this could work in the hopefully restricted format of regulation G

[foggy lodge]

Just for fun i did the math and with 156 evs in speed and choice scarf you outspeed Chien-Pao jolly 252

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/835922db4ddfce37 thoughts?

[cosmic warren]

Can someone explain the Tera grass flutter mane to me? 😂

[next stump]

the idea is you can wall amoonguss really hard and set up with calm minds

also helps against water-urshifu

[cosmic warren]

SMART

[timber falcon]

stops rilla OHKO, Ursh surging and moongus, though like dillion said its mostly for moongus

[cosmic warren]

Thanks y’all

[bold geode]

Emma are you going to Vancouver?

[chrome knot]

no

orlando & maybe naic

[bold geode]

You're Canadian right? (Doesn't have to do with previous question lol)

[chrome knot]

yes

vancouver is ACROSS the country

[bold geode]

Oh really
What part are you from

Cuz idk like the geography of Canada lol
I have a friend in Winnipeg if he's still there

[chrome knot]

Ontario

next to michigan

[bold geode]

Oh so you're like almost in middle
Unless wait is Vancouver up north?

Me realizing I can Google this shit

Where tf is Vancouver on the map

Oh you're not in the middle like I thought lmfao

Yeah that's a bit far
Toronto would've been more feasible

[craggy dagger]

but-

its nice here

[solid frigate]

more update,still no Raging Bolt

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/028c0e468f992814

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9doublesubers-2084842886
I feel like this is just not the way to go but still won-

[atomic mural]

bro thats a thing?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9doublesubers-2084849650-hbuda0y5hx37244oyde7hblfon6ul1gpw my team plays decent

https://pokepast.es/8f28131f03605005 I think it has potential

[dapper crag]

Anyone wanna playtest for reg G?

[atomic mural]

I wanna test my Grass Ogerpon Miradon Team so sure

[dapper crag]

Single restricted?

[atomic mural]

yeah

[dapper crag]

OK cool

Wanna hop in a vc?

[atomic mural]

im fine

[dapper crag]

Just lmk when ur ready

[atomic mural]

im ready as ever

whats you name on showdown

[dapper crag]

1942 is the code

[atomic mural]

oh

[dapper crag]

Ahhhhhhh I'm on cart

[atomic mural]

thats finbe I just dont have a miradon right now in game to make it

[dapper crag]

You have scarlet?

[atomic mural]

yeah

[dapper crag]

Same

Or I'd trade u one

SOMEKNE GET MY MAN CORN A MORAIDON

[atomic mural]

well i dont know if its good enough to make it an actual team and waste time building

[dapper crag]

I'm the opposite I build first, regret later

[atomic mural]

ive done that before

[dapper crag]

I mean I'm using lugia so that says about all u need to know

[atomic mural]

nice

do you know your teams evs?

you cant make it showdown?

[dapper crag]

I could

Idk I just don't like showdown a lot

[atomic mural]

why?

[dapper crag]

Give me a minute I'll make it on showdown

[atomic mural]

aight

[dapper crag]

What format do we use

The team is in

[atomic mural]

we just use custom game

[dapper crag]

Idk how to do that

[atomic mural]

I need to do something tho so will take a minute or two

[atomic mural]

when I request a fight, i just say custom game to make it even

so nothing gets rejected

alright im ready

whats your name

[dapper crag]

Iliketohitwomen

[atomic mural]

thats crazy

[dapper crag]

Lol

[atomic mural]

make sure they are level 50

[dapper crag]

They are

[atomic mural]

aight

i sent it

only 4

nvm

[dapper crag]

Good luck

[atomic mural]

you cant choose 4

[dapper crag]

?

So we have to use all?

[atomic mural]

yeah

[dapper crag]

Damn

[atomic mural]

yeah sadly

just refuse to not use 2 pokemon

so when you have 2 left we forfiet

[next stump]

just send a challenge with the ruleset of VGC

[atomic mural]

oh

[next stump]

oh wait, they dont have reg G yet I think

[atomic mural]

yeah the ydont

[dapper crag]

Gg let's reset with 4

Forgot electric terrain does stuff

[atomic mural]

yeah

i dont think we can

[dapper crag]

Someone stole my name mid match lol

[atomic mural]

lol

[dapper crag]

Read me like a book AND hitting through plus 6 evasion

again I say

[atomic mural]

that team looks more like a singles team honestly lol

gg

[dapper crag]

I'm just tryna cook ok

[atomic mural]

thats fine

[dapper crag]

Rematch?

[atomic mural]

sure

[dapper crag]

I wanna be that one guy with the good lugia team

[next stump]

i could maybe see lugia doing something with weakness policy

[atomic mural]

gg

[dapper crag]

Gg

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/95732e8347e72230 heres the team btw

[dapper crag]

Again?

[atomic mural]

ill do it one more time

actually im very tired

im happy with my team right now

[foggy lodge]

Nah this goes crazy

It's not going to be optimal in the meta of reg G but it looks funny asf

[atomic mural]

nah imagine it: Ogerpon grass electric seed meta

[foggy lodge]

Literally Miraidon means

FUTURE PARADOX ARE FINALLY GETTING A ABILITY WOOOOO

We are not ready for an Assault Vest Iron Hands with boost in Attack

[atomic mural]

Honestly, I think Urshifu is gonna be replaced with someone that can help deal with iron hands and other electric types that wanna benefit from terrain

because I kinda just chucked it on

probably gonna replace it with something that better players come up with

but i am going to ride electric seed ogerpon grass forever

I think miradons gonna leave ogerpon wellspring in shambles

It’s still gonna be a good counter for the weather duo of groudon and Kyogre

But miradon just obliterates it with electro drift

And unlike the other ogerpons, it can resist 3 of the best restricted mons stab moves. (Miradons electric, groudons ground, and Kyogres water)

Even if it Tera’s

And with its already respectable sp def and as well as an item like electric seed partnered with miradon, it can be a pretty good support mon I believe in the restricted format

Incineroar is kind of anvelectric seed, helping the defense of ogerpon, but it can’t help in the eyes of clear amulet pokemon so that’s my reasoning why ogerpon grass will be the goat of restricted format sv. Thank you for coming to my ted talk

[solid frigate]

I have Deja Vu but still i feel like 1 trick room would ruin it but still nobody uses Trick Room unless they have Calrex Ice

[atomic mural]

Yeah

I bet Tera fire Groudon will come and ruin that imo

[solid frigate]

i think what makes your team better is to have a defensive or Support mon besides Incineroar

[atomic mural]

Electric seed ogerpon is my other support mon

I gave it enough bulk to survive most of the powerful hits that I would assume would be popular in vgc regulation G

[solid frigate]

Electric Seed Pon is more like Adding Bulk towards a Hybrid Support Sweeper

no

Teal Mask and Hearthflame are offensive Sweeping,Wellspring Mask is Support Sweeper

Cornerstone, i still don't know how to play Cornerstone

[molten oasis]

Hearth can be supportive offense

[next stump]

cornerstone is just zero bulk investment and you use it on TR teams as redirection to set up with sturdy

[atomic mural]

I gave ogerpon grass follow me to help redirect so my teammates can either set up swords dances like iron boulder, or just get off an icy wind or powerful attack i don’t have a chance for getting without

[solid frigate]

oh yeah it has Sturdy

[solid frigate]

isn't Wellspring more better on Follow Me cuz there are loads of Special Attackers in Restricted like Kyogre,Calyrex Shadow and Miraidon (Although Miraidon easily take care of Wellspring Pon)

[atomic mural]

Yeah

But since miradon is the new golden boy added I have a theory that it’s gonna be used a lot

So I’d rather have the ogerpon that dosent die even if I don’t Tera

[solid frigate]

you can use Wellspring for 2 Mon Water Fire Grass Core and add another one like Raging Bolt who supports both Sun and Electric Terrain

[atomic mural]

It’s not the best but I have focus sash iron bundle for the water part

https://pokepast.es/95732e8347e72230

It also pairs insanely well with miradon and lets you get bolt beam coverage in the same turn

Also urshifus just there because I didn’t have any other ideas

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/028c0e468f992814
Idk i made this team before and it barely win against teams that had 4 legendaries

[atomic mural]

Also I calculated it that at the def evs and with electric seed I have I can live adamant stellar icicle crash

With intimidate

[solid frigate]

i mean 4 restricted

[foggy lodge]

I can't understand what were they doing with the cornerstone mask

[atomic mural]

(On grass ogerpon)

[solid frigate]

Why give it Sturdy but not something better-

[foggy lodge]

Has a focus sash but it needs investment in defenses and his tera gives him a defense boost

Like what do you want him to be, tanky or frail????

[atomic mural]

Why not both

[foggy lodge]

Give him unseen fist

Well, her, i forgot Ogerpon is female lol

[solid frigate]

not possible unless the stats are balanced,and Iron Bundle wasn't one of them

[atomic mural]

They did that in the same gen with iron boulder lmao

Mighty cleave sweeppp

[foggy lodge]

Man who gave Urshifu unseen fist

What was the design of that ability

[atomic mural]

It made sense in dynamax formats

[solid frigate]

i mean if we give Cornerstone Pon a new Ability,Why not Adaptibility for Offense cuz of Rock Type Cudgel or Shell armor for like Defensive Purpose

[foggy lodge]

Like if it still hits through protect doing 25% damage is fine

Or even 50%

[solid frigate]

but 100% is BS

[foggy lodge]

But not completely ignoring the protect

[atomic mural]

You should be blaming who decided to not nerf it going into scarlet and violet

[solid frigate]

even I use Urshifu i feel bad cuz it feels Like Cheating

[foggy lodge]

And it doesn't activates effects like the spiky shield or the gouging fire's protect

[solid frigate]

Well Single Strike Got Nerfed with Wicked Blow being BP of 75

Meanwhile Calyrex Shadow:

[atomic mural]

But the ability should have been nerfed

[foggy lodge]

MAN IT WAS "BALANCED" IN GEN 8 DUE TO DINAMAX AND THEY DIDN'T TOUCH HIM??

Urshifu is like playing a dinamax pokemon in scarlet

[solid frigate]

Calyrex Shadow be like:

[solid frigate]

but more busted

[atomic mural]

Flutter manes regin is over

I’m calling a rise in Tera normal

[solid frigate]

yeah cuz it hits like a Bullet Train From Japan

[atomic mural]

Yeah lol

[solid frigate]

Dude this is what Kyogre want to be

Fast Special Attacker that Literally is BS

[foggy lodge]

It could be any legendary pokemon of gen 8

[atomic mural]

Hey iron bundle can icy wind and then let miradon outspeed and take it out without it doing anything

[solid frigate]

Its Calyrex Shadow,Eternatus has Worse stat than this MF

[foggy lodge]

Why dude why

And who decided to give Zamazenta the equivalent of Zacian's move literally

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9doublesubers-2084842886
I actually did it with Tornadus

[atomic mural]

I found the counter play. You lead incin into their clayrex shadow

[foggy lodge]

Like Zamazenta is a defensive mon not an attacker, give him a signature move not a copypaste of Zacian's move😭😭

[solid frigate]

thats... what i did.

before

[atomic mural]

No but here’s where it gets interesting

They think you are gonna knock off

[solid frigate]

Parting Shot?

[atomic mural]

So they Tera fairy

[solid frigate]

Yep i done that before

[atomic mural]

But you actually show you illegally put sheer cold on your incin and one shot it

Genius

[solid frigate]

nope this is just BH

[foggy lodge]

Ok but seriously i need a new regulation

[solid frigate]

its gonna be Restricted... worst Case Scenario

best case scenario is Regulation G exists

[foggy lodge]

And also i love legendary Pokémon because they are even more rewarding to the best player because if you play your legendary pokemon well they just sweep

[atomic mural]

Miradon don’t need that

Just electro drift

[foggy lodge]

Nah Miraidon is braindead

[atomic mural]

Easy Peasy

[foggy lodge]

Zacian too

[solid frigate]

Calyrex Shadow?

[next stump]

we will get reg g rules in the next couple of weeks

[solid frigate]

at least Glacial actually need to find a way to Trick Room

[foggy lodge]

Both Calyrex

[atomic mural]

Eh I think zacian gonna be kind of mid. Still gonna me good but you can justi ncineroar intimidate pivot

[foggy lodge]

Man powercreep was really ugly

[foggy lodge]

Swords dance

[solid frigate]

bro literally have top 3 usage.

[foggy lodge]

You lose the insta boost and your ability for the rest of the battle if Inci enters

But you can play swords dance set with behemoth play rough protect or even sacred

[atomic mural]

Yeah but then they are gonna be forced to use swords damce

[solid frigate]

Swords Dance,Play Rough,Bethemoth Blade and Sacred Sword or Close Combat

Or maybe Protect

[foggy lodge]

Sacred and you ignore things like Kommo-O body press

[atomic mural]

I’m not saying it’s gonna suck

[foggy lodge]

Kommo-O is going to fall with Zacian because you force him to use tera and just hit him with sacred sword

[solid frigate]

i slowly don't want to use Terapagos now-

[atomic mural]

Lmao

[solid frigate]

cuz God damn it Zacian and Koraidon

[foggy lodge]

Not really, and still you are just at neutral attack, and a mon with 150 attack doesn't really needs a boost

[atomic mural]

Yeah you’re right

[solid frigate]

it still can 2HKO and thats the least amount of damage with no resist.

[atomic mural]

Still think Miradons gonna do better

[foggy lodge]

Terapagos probably is gonna be shit at the beggining of the regulation

[atomic mural]

Zacian still probably gonna win worlds tho

[solid frigate]

Zacian is more like solo and Miraidon is more like team player

[foggy lodge]

But if groudon kyogre and miraidon become too popular, Terapagos is gonna start to see a lot of play

[solid frigate]

Yep,cuz Terastal Reliant and stats just what

[atomic mural]

Yeah

[foggy lodge]

Man i love Koraidon but god he is completely shut down because of one of his own species lmao

[atomic mural]

That’s why volt switch miradons gonna be the play

[solid frigate]

Pneuma (Terapagos-Terastal) @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Tera Shift
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 156 HP / 32 Def / 252 SpA / 32 SpD / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Calm Mind
• Rock Polish
• Rest
  Idk i just made this set for speculation

[foggy lodge]

ALSO WHO WAS THE MF AT GAMEFREAK WHO DID THE 135 BASE SPEED MARK

[solid frigate]

IDK

[foggy lodge]

Flutter Chien-Pao and Koraidon and Miraidon have 135

They are the image of the spidermans pointing at each other lmao

[solid frigate]

Iron Bundle is 1 speed fasrer for crying outloud.

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but bundle chad

[atomic mural]

Iron bundle miradon is gonna be so fun to play for me and only me

[foggy lodge]

Bundle doesn't care of anything because icy wind goes brr

[atomic mural]

And with miradon sash is gonna be the best item

[solid frigate]

i need to sleep i can't handle Calyrex Shadow-

[atomic mural]

Due to it getting a booster energy on switch

[foggy lodge]

Nah no way Kommo-O is probably gonna see more usage than Koraidon on this gen LMAO

[atomic mural]

Dosent electric terrain instantly wake up all sleeping Pokémon?

[foggy lodge]

I think it doesn't

[atomic mural]

I think I have seen it once or I was dreaming

[next stump]

no, just can’t be put to sleep if it’s up

[atomic mural]

Ok

[foggy lodge]

Amoonguss is gonna fight for the grass type role in the teams with Ogerpon and Rillaboom, have to deal with good as gold, safety goggles and tera grass and now with the electric terrain

[atomic mural]

Yeah amoonguss gonna die

[foggy lodge]

Reg G is gonna be the ultimate test to Amoonguss and see if it is finally powercrept or not

[atomic mural]

Still not gonna be bad

[foggy lodge]

Nah

[atomic mural]

I hope I get to see among us still thrive (misspelling intended)

[foggy lodge]

I remember when teal mask released and people stopped running Amoonguss because they used Rilla+ Oger and having 3 grass types is kind of a suicide

And youtubers were saying "AMOONGUSS FELL" or "AMOONGUSS DIED"

2 weeks later amoonguss completely recovered lol

[atomic mural]

Lmao

This is my first gen ever actually wanting to enter tournaments and take team building seriously, and if amoonguss dies before I enter one tournament, I’m gonna be sad

Also changing topic rq: mega incineroar would go crazy

(If Z-A makes the fire starter incineroar)

Imagine mega incineroar gets a new signature ability that drops attack and special attack on switch in

That would be super broken

But it also would be funny to watch WolfeVGC die of a heart attack at the fact they buffed it again

[molten oasis]

No

I wish but redirection is still very valuable

Even with ogerpon

And it’s a tr answer

Ogerpon isn’t

[atomic mural]

I feel like Tera grass is gonna be one of the best Tera’s in regulation G

Not gonna be confident in that

But just a thought

[molten oasis]

Dragon is also okay, and ground maybe

Dragon is a double edged sword

For miraidon

Could also go electric

[atomic mural]

I just see groudon kyogre and Miradons strongest moves and I’m like: “grass just resists all of those moves”

[charred saddle]

goodluck on playing into heat crash in sun groudon

[dapper crag]

Groudon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Counter, Crunch, Cut, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Dynamic Punch, Earthquake, Facade, Fire Fang, Fire Punch, Fissure, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Headbutt, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Metal Claw, Natural Gift, Power-Up Punch, Precipice Blades, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Sand Tomb, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Shadow Claw, Slash, Smack Down, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Take Down, Thunder Punch, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Eruption, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Lava Plume, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Overheat, Round, Scorching Sands, Shock Wave, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Uproar

Status Moves

Block, Bulk Up, Confide, Defense Curl, Double Team, Endure, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Mimic, Protect, Psych Up, Rest, Roar, Rock Polish, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Groudon.

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[charred saddle]

0+ Atk Groudon Heat Crash (120 BP) vs. 236 HP / 156+ Def Amoonguss in Sun: 210-248 (95.8 - 113.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

[molten oasis]

Lol

Did it get heat crash this gen?

[charred saddle]

yes

+2 252+ Atk Groudon Heat Crash (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 148 Def Ogerpon-Wellspring in Sun: 244-288 (130.4 - 154%) -- guaranteed OHKO

1 SD is enough

252+ Atk Groudon Heat Crash (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Hearthflame in Sun: 145-171 (93.5 - 110.3%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 108-127 (69.6 - 81.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

fire tera groudon will be fun

still open to water, but no Wisp

which is very nice, and very good synergy with heatcrash and sun

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 383: Groudon

Type

Ground

Abilities

Drought

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/140/100/90/90

Total

670

Weight (Low Kick BP)

950kg (120 BP)

Height

3.5m

Introduced

Generation 3

Other Formes

Groudon-Primal

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

Red

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

Pokémon No. 1020: Gouging Fire

Types

Fire/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

105/115/121/65/93/91

Total

590

Weight (Low Kick BP)

590kg (120 BP)

Height

3.5m

Introduced

Generation 9

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

Brown

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[charred saddle]

and groudon is heavy as hell

and with fire tera groudon doesnt die to grass knot

but dies to groudon as well

[cyan smelt]

Does it die to lando i

[chrome knot]

im making smores

[charred saddle]

ofc it will, but at the same time why are you using groudon in front of lando

ur already losing the MU

i mean you dont lose, but like u cant hit with precipice and only heatcrash

252+ Atk Groudon Heat Crash (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus in Sun: 137-162 (83.5 - 98.7%) -- guaranteed

but as its faster you can be hit with EP twice

[thin fjord]

How can I farm more bottle caps now that there isn't a 7* raid? Any suggestions for raids? I need about 8 more caps to finish my VGC team.

[charred saddle]

buy them

iirc it only costs 25k each

so technically you can sell some of you abilty patches

or farm them from raids then sell them for other stuff

[thin fjord]

Thank you! I have tons of patches. Where do I buy bottle caps?

[thin fjord]

Wait what...?

I had no idea

I should have researched further. I didn't think it was that easy.

[charred saddle]

haha nw nw

[thin fjord]

Much thanks!

@charred saddle I just bought 36 bottle caps

[charred saddle]

pog hahah

[thin fjord]

[charred saddle]

hope ur team goes well

[thin fjord]

I can't wait to give it a try. Building it now.

It be sandy.

[charred saddle]

gl gl

[thin fjord]

Thx

[noble lily]

how do you check tera types in pikalytics

[strange fjord]

I think they have a Battle Stadium tab where they get their tera data from Pokemon Home usage, but if you want data on other formats, you could try MunchStats where the Tera Data is based on publicly available replays.

Tera Data is also available for a few different formats, but since Tera Data is based off replays, some pokemon might have limited to no info on the tera they tend to go for

depending on how common they are

[noble lily]

ty

[atomic mural]

Just realized landorus I might actually be the one to add to my team

It would help counter electric types that want to use electric terrain

And most of the future paradoxes are weak to ground

As well as poison

[cosmic warren]

Who’s using future paradox mons?

[solid frigate]

idk man,but probably teams with Miraidon

[solid frigate]

i just use Landorus with Tera Steel-

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/645410ad7c9b0eca ok but this has potential

Also ogerpon grass has some tech against terapagos since if incineroar try’s to make it bulky with intimidate, I can get the defiant boost and threaten both with superpower

It also just gets to use a strong 120 base power fighting move on normal types that are probably gonna be common due to shadow rider calyrex

[solid frigate]

mhm

[atomic mural]

I saw someone talk about arboliva in the vgc reddit, but like ogerpon grass is pretty good too and can murder the olive with super power

I could also do a niche where I parting shot myself with incin to get a plus 1 superpower without having to rely on my opponent

Not gonna be a main strategy but still something to think about

And with follow me and fake out support, my iron bundle and miradon can get moves off they sometimes have no chance of hitting without, and Landorus and iron boulder can set up with nasty plot and swords dance respectively

Also Tera poison landorus I gives me a better counter to zacian

This is the first team that I have built that makes sense

Also I like that I only have icy wind on iron bundle that can miss

No gambling for me

[atomic mural]

Tera steel would make we weak to zacian sacred sword/close combat and groudon heat crash

And with poison I resist fairy and fighting moves from zacian and groudons if they go Tera fire or grass, they either die to earth power or sludge bomb

[solid frigate]

then again,tailwind and Sandsear

[atomic mural]

True

[solid frigate]

plus Sheer Force Life Orb could 1 Shot The Dogs

[atomic mural]

Well iron bundle icy wind can slow the dogs down letting me obliterate with earth power and be faster

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sandsear Storm vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 416-491 (107.2 - 126.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[atomic mural]

Nice

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sandsear Storm vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 351-413 (90.4 - 106.4%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

yeah

[atomic mural]

I’ll consider sandsear storm

For now I’ll run earth power

[solid frigate]

yeah

Fallen King (Landorus) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 128 HP / 44 Def / 252 SpA / 32 SpD / 52 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Earth Power
• Sludge Bomb
• Sandsear Storm
• Protect
  I used this set

no Subsitute tho

[atomic mural]

I don’t like substitute anyway

But I feel like nasty plot works for what my team does

[willow vault]

Does anyone remember what Calyrex-shadow ran in sword and shield vgc (I only need common moves)

[autumn vault]

Astral Barrage 100.000%
Expanding Force 59.293%
Mud shot 51.598%
Trick 38.817%

Protect 36.012%

[autumn vault]

I got those moves from pikalytics

those are its 5 most common moves in series 12 swsh

[willow vault]

Cool, surprised by the lack of shadow ball, but astral barrage is a broken move so I get it

[willow vault]

Will make sure to be aware of these 5 moves

[next stump]

mud shot was only because of max quake

[willow vault]

I would have assumed it was to hit Incineroar, since it otherwise can’t

[next stump]

it’s both

mud shot is a horrible move but with dynamax, it becomes a pretty strong attack

[willow vault]

So would it potentially use Tera blast (ground) to gain the same coverage but also have a generally better move

Also normal coverage can be nice without needing to Tera

[next stump]

i think tera fighting will be more common personally

resist dark, able to hit dark types, OHKO kingambit, etc.

[willow vault]

Good point

[cosmic warren]

Probably a bad question but I’ve had a hard time finding anything: where are y’all finding this info on the restricted mons?

[autumn vault]

When it does 1.5 more damage and hits both opponents, i am surprised you said this

I actually have a calyrex shadow team ready

Still thinking how to make zekrom better in the restricted format

[willow vault]

It’s more because weirdly Lunala can wall it with the use of wide guard, and let its partner deal with it. Not perfect but I just find it odd.

[autumn vault]

Not sure Lunala runs wide guard that much before, besides Lunala is only good due to shadow shield and Dmax helping it out

Chien pao is Lunala's killer

[willow vault]

It’s more of a support legendary but it’s still pretty good

[willow vault]

I mean so is Urshifu-dark and Lunala still got top 4 at worlds 2022

And so is Incineroar

And that had like a 50% usage that year at worlds

[autumn vault]

Urshifu wasn't super common because of Dmax (i think) so Lunalas didn't worry much about it, this was also a time where Zacian was super common and they can murder urshifu easily

[willow vault]

I know, I’m just stating the truth

[autumn vault]

And its true

Also remember Incineroar didn't have knock off in gen 8

[willow vault]

Fair

[autumn vault]

Well it was also a format when regigigas was an amazing threat and it ran Darkest Lariat which iirc ignores slow start

[willow vault]

It ignores slow start

What

[autumn vault]

It ignores offensvie debuffs, it includes slow start

[willow vault]

Damn

Wild, I was unaware of that

I wonder how one would use Palkia most effectively

[next stump]

trick room/spacial rend/hydro pump/protect, mid-speed trick room setter and sweeper

[willow vault]

Oh, cool thanks

[next stump]

probably tera fire or maybe tera steel

[willow vault]

I was originally wanting to use Yveltal, but that’s not in the game

[willow vault]

Pilalaytics, sword and shield vgc, I think we use the series 12

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/5103ceee6b8cf26f

So, any ideas for 5th and 6th members?

[cosmic warren]

Thanks 🙏

[willow vault]

Are you wanting a 2nd restricted?

[autumn vault]

Maybe

[willow vault]

Ok

[cosmic warren]

Calyrex shadow? 🤔

[autumn vault]

Already have a team with it

[willow vault]

It’s a good mon

[autumn vault]

true

Its great with redirection next to it

[willow vault]

You could use scarf kyogre, for a more immediate damage threat and have something like Kingambit, to threaten an OHKO into things like Calyrex

[autumn vault]

I have knock off incin for calyrex shadow

[willow vault]

Don’t need the Kingambit then

[autumn vault]

I already have a great 4

[willow vault]

You do indeed

[autumn vault]

5 if we are talking about it and calyrex shadow

[willow vault]

For your team, something like flutter could be really good to help your matchup into sun teams

[autumn vault]

I will avoid using flutter

[willow vault]

Ok

[autumn vault]

That shit put me through so much

Maybe i need, a water type

[willow vault]

Yeah

[autumn vault]

Well i guess i will go scarf kyogre instead of calyrex shadow

[willow vault]

Oh, you could go for Urshifu-r and Calyrex-shadow, gives you great coverage and the typings you desire

[autumn vault]

You are onto something

The problem will be zacian and miraidon but with the sus mushroom they wont be overbearing

[cosmic warren]

Oh I forgot about zacian!

[willow vault]

You do have a bit of a weakness to flying and ice by the way

[autumn vault]

Zekrom delas with the flyers, ice will only be used on A9 and Calyrex Ice rider

[willow vault]

Just thought you should know

[autumn vault]

I think i will make my ice weakness and flying weakness MU better

[willow vault]

Ok

[autumn vault]

With the 1 restricted team obv

The 2 are fine where they are

[willow vault]

Ok right

[autumn vault]

They both are bad against rock

Maybe a rock type will help

[willow vault]

What’s a good trick room sweeper, for restricted formats normally?

[autumn vault]

Calyrex ice

[willow vault]

Thanks

I meant for me

[autumn vault]

Ik

I deleted the message for a reason

[willow vault]

Oh my bad

[autumn vault]

I think i will go glimmora, a special attacker with the rock typing

[willow vault]

Nice

[autumn vault]

I have 1 special attacker and its the sushroom

With glimm it will be 2 with an incin counter

[willow vault]

Nice

[atomic mural]

Honestly I think iron bundle is going to heavily rise is usage

[willow vault]

I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s true

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/4b14820a828f3243
https://pokepast.es/f2c71baaa16c1217
What i came up with

[atomic mural]

Iron bundle looks like it destroys your team

[willow vault]

Nice

[autumn vault]

What the actual fuck

[willow vault]

You have doubles scarf on the first team

[atomic mural]

Can’t have the same item on 2 Pokémon

[autumn vault]

i see

[willow vault]

And double sitrus

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/645410ad7c9b0eca

[autumn vault]

i said i see

[willow vault]

Nice

[autumn vault]

Looking good Corny

[atomic mural]

First time team building by myself btw

I just looked at the most popular Pokémon right now and realized that iron bundle miradon would kinda just sweep with bolt beam

[autumn vault]

252 SpA Iron Bundle Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Zekrom: 116-140 (66.2 - 80%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Well atleast zekrom murders bundle thats for sure

[atomic mural]

Yeah

[autumn vault]

0 Atk Teravolt Zekrom Bolt Strike vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Iron Bundle: 186-222 (141.9 - 169.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

no investment murders it eitherway

[atomic mural]

But that’s what focus sash is for as well as landorus I

[willow vault]

It’s difficult to know

[atomic mural]

Yeah

But just from a Birds Eye view ice types just roll over everything like what happened leading to articuno winning it’s first tournament

And with the water typing fire types suffer too

[autumn vault]

252 SpA Choice Specs Iron Bundle Freeze-Dry vs. 136 HP / 96 SpD Zekrom: 158-188 (82.2 - 97.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Cracked the code for this

132 = 136 btw

[atomic mural]

Yeah but can it live landorus plus 2 earth power

Sheer force life orb

[autumn vault]

urshifu rapid strike murders it

[atomic mural]

True true

[autumn vault]

if it teras then it opens up itself to nothing

[atomic mural]

Also ogerpon grass seems like it’s going to be very good next regulation

[autumn vault]

I will test when the format comes in showdown

but for now, we can only brainstorm the meta

Corny is making good points i will admit

[atomic mural]

The only reason I though of ogerpon grass is that I wanted a grass pokemon to help with the fire water grass core

And rillaboom just stopped miradons electric terrain

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/6f34e7825eeeecd0
https://pokepast.es/5aaa0e9464d223f7
issues fixed

items fixed

EV'd zekrom to live a timid 252 specs freeze dry from bundle

252 SpA Choice Specs Iron Bundle Freeze-Dry vs. 136 HP / 96 SpD Zekrom: 158-188 (82.2 - 97.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[atomic mural]

Nice

[autumn vault]

Atleast the bundle problem is fixed

[chrome knot]

me when i calc to live a pokemon that hasnt been seen in like 2 formats

😵‍💫

[autumn vault]

With electric terrain running around in the future, bundle will come back for sure

[atomic mural]

We planning for regulation g with this one 🗣️

[willow vault]

Probably reg h, but yeah

[autumn vault]

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[chrome knot]

reg g is most likely single restricted

[autumn vault]

we know

[atomic mural]

Yeah I don’t see it not being 1 restricted

[chrome knot]

^?

[autumn vault]

I am making a backup incase its 2 for whatever reason

[chrome knot]

not talking to you methinks

[atomic mural]

They do 1 then 2

[autumn vault]

I knew that

i was making a back up

nothing else

[atomic mural]

Also I don’t feel like raging bolts gonna be that good with miradon in the format

[autumn vault]

Bolt has priority miraidon doesn't

[atomic mural]

Only saying that because even if you do sun and electric terrain you are doubling up on the same typings

[atomic mural]

I guess that’s true, can’t go wrong with priority

[autumn vault]

Bolt also has flexibility, mirai not as much

Snarl and E-webs for example

[atomic mural]

Miradon also gets snarl

And dazzling gleam so Tera fairy isn’t just a defensive Tera with it

[autumn vault]

what i wanted to say is: Unpredictability

that fits better

[willow vault]

I haven’t got a single restricteds team but I do have a concept for the double restricteds

[autumn vault]

Then think for the first one

[atomic mural]

You should try the miradon iron bundle incineroar core

[willow vault]

No

[atomic mural]

Man

[timber falcon]

Anyone got a specs dengo set?

Idk speed evs

[atomic mural]

I don’t have any on the top of my head rn and I’m on my phone so I can’t really check right now

[autumn vault]

I will be honest when i say this: Flutter Mane will drop in usage, i swear it

[atomic mural]

Makes sense

[autumn vault]

If it happens, i will be happier than Wolfe Glick after Lando and Incin get wipped from the franchise

[atomic mural]

There’s gonna be a better special attacking ghost type but this time you can tell all of them are going to be max speed and special attack

[atomic mural]

Ok but mega incineroar in legends z-a

[autumn vault]

No pls no

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/930209ebeecc5735 thoughts here? Got the idea of ttar from lyco and decided he’d be a decent base for palfin

[atomic mural]

Oh yes imagine: intimidate but both attacking stats and it gets bulkier

[willow vault]

lmao

[timber falcon]

Garchomp is there cause to take advantage of sandstorm

[atomic mural]

I would give it rock slide for spread instead of stone edge

[timber falcon]

Oki doki

[autumn vault]

Not sure about Palafin

It can work but it fell off hard

However i am glad i inspired someone else

[atomic mural]

Completely off topic but I just played undertale for this time and I feel papyrus would be a Pokémon vgc fanatic but be so bad at reading anything and losing because he kept making the wrong plays

[timber falcon]

It falling off is why I’m using it. I prefer to use teams that base around fallen off mons

[atomic mural]

Nice

[autumn vault]

Same here

Why i use sand at all and not because excadrill is my favourite mon

[atomic mural]

Thats fair

[molten oasis]

Hello

How are we doing

[chrome knot]

daring today arent we

[autumn vault]

We are doing great

[molten oasis]

Rock garchomp? Why

With breaking swipe and stone edge?

And why is ttar here

[timber falcon]

No idea what I’m making

[molten oasis]

Ttar seems redundant

[autumn vault]

Therian doesnt really fit in that well

[timber falcon]

I’ve noticed that after 2 games tbh

[autumn vault]

Garchomp and therian both have a 4x weakness to ice

[molten oasis]

Why are we running garchomp? I’m so confused on what’s going on with this team

[atomic mural]

https://tenor.com/view/myclient-gif-25406300

[molten oasis]

🫠

this team needs work, a lot of work

[chrome knot]

lmao

[autumn vault]

Garchomp to abuse sand

[molten oasis]

If you’re gonna run palafin you need to surround it with meta picks

[autumn vault]

^

[molten oasis]

Ttar garchomp is NOT the way to go for palafin

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-mario-depressed-mario-walking-in-rain-mario-sad-depressed-gif-6943075901738095231

On my way to fix

[chrome knot]

yeah i made a sylveon team last night for one of our stream production members who wanted to play in our pc this weekend and it was literally

[molten oasis]

Palafin is a balance Mon, could honestly go with the old palabalance core

Amoonguss harc/incin and palafin

[chrome knot]

sylveon

incin ogerpon-w farig urshi dark & bolt

[molten oasis]

Lmao yea

[autumn vault]

Tyranitar excadrill is good

[molten oasis]

Is it doing it’s own thing tho?

Ttar needs to go

[timber falcon]

Ok so I’ve done 5 game evaluation, the team is hot garbage rn

[molten oasis]

Like what I mean by that, like is it not just being a flutter replacement?

[chrome knot]

its literally the role of flutter

[timber falcon]

Oh this is one of my impulse teams, no proper thinking was made in its production

[chrome knot]

that can be slotted onto a soft tr team bc its slow

[molten oasis]

What’s the set

[molten oasis]

Great, we should start from scratch

[timber falcon]

I think I’ll go with meta picks surrounding it

[timber falcon]

Btw I kinda do like the idea of howl with it, would it work?

[chrome knot]

@ throat spray, tera fire
hyper voice
tera blast
quick attack
protect
bc im not giving someone with little to no actual in game experience a calm mind yawn set

[molten oasis]

I think palafin amoonguss incin is a really solid start. Palafin wants pivots to be usable, so you get amoonguss and incin

[molten oasis]

Palafin switches constantly no

[timber falcon]

Yeah I did this originally, a while back, where I discovered my inability to use moongus properly

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah

[molten oasis]

Oh it’s for someone else I see

[chrome knot]

yes i literally said that

[autumn vault]

Only once per battle

[chrome knot]

😵‍💫

[molten oasis]

Oh, my bad

[autumn vault]

Or twice idk

[timber falcon]

I hate this

[molten oasis]

It’s enough to not really use gouging fire

[atomic mural]

Live recording of incineroar in regulation g

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[timber falcon]

Swsh flashbacks

[chrome knot]

ok

[molten oasis]

Calm mind yawn is better but, I get it lol

[timber falcon]

Incin stepping up against gmax ogres 😭

[molten oasis]

Throat spray is still good and I like quick attack to pick up kills

[chrome knot]

fairy quick attack is hilarious

[molten oasis]

Indeed

[timber falcon]

For context an armourouge team swept me using weakness policy with that sylveon set, would u know the team for that?

[molten oasis]

Wha-

[timber falcon]

Yep

Dark tera

[molten oasis]

Why sylveon, Primarina would be better for that, stupid shit

[chrome knot]

one of our judges are using tyos team but lapras instead of ogerpon-w bc their favourite is lapras lmao

[timber falcon]

Quick attack

[molten oasis]

aqua jet

[timber falcon]

🤔…. Oh yeah

[chrome knot]

& doesnt cost a tera

[molten oasis]

Not Tera reliant either

Not that I like seeing Prima used on gimmicks

[atomic mural]

You are gonna be the person gonna tryna make zamazenta work aren’t you

[molten oasis]

It’s much better than that lol

[timber falcon]

Nah you can leave the mad scientist teams to nova

U 100% seeing banded moraidon with her

[molten oasis]

It’s not top tier (thanks to its defense being paper) but it’s a very solid Mon

[atomic mural]

Idk man electric seed ogerpon grass kinda wild

[molten oasis]

anyway

[dapper crag]

Item: Electric Seed

If the terrain is Electric Terrain, raises holder's Defense by 1 stage. Single use.

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[molten oasis]

We should start with palafin amoonguss incin

[timber falcon]

Ok

[molten oasis]

Even if you can’t pilot amoonguss I think you should learn how

[timber falcon]

Yeah it’s about time I guess

[molten oasis]

Putting it on a palafin team isn’t exactly the best way but whatever

[timber falcon]

Idk if I’m being brash. But would adding bolt also help?

[molten oasis]

I was thinking about bolt

[chrome knot]

bold & brash

[molten oasis]

Id like a rillaboom answer first

[timber falcon]

Tru tru

[molten oasis]

Oh, actually let’s do harc over incin

For now

[timber falcon]

yay harc

[molten oasis]

Banded

[timber falcon]

[molten oasis]

Yes, you want to have damage output with it

[timber falcon]

No sitrus berry?

[molten oasis]

No, banded

[timber falcon]

Ok yes banded it is

[atomic mural]

Incineroar is the bulky intimidator

[molten oasis]

Now we have a rilla answer

[timber falcon]

Hopefully not one day

[atomic mural]

Arcanine hisui is an offensive intimidator

[molten oasis]

I like lando I

[timber falcon]

On the team?

[molten oasis]

Yea

[timber falcon]

Oki doki

[molten oasis]

We need to cover the mu for bolt and rilla

[timber falcon]

Btw what’s an optimal palfin set

[molten oasis]

Palafin hates both

[timber falcon]

Yeah that’s what bolt and harc to right?

[molten oasis]

Rn clear amulet, max hp max attack is probably fine. Wave crash jet punch protect and a coverage move

[timber falcon]

Sorry gtg

[molten oasis]

Bolt is not an answer to bolt

Bruh

[autumn vault]

Landorus-Incarnate

[timber falcon]

Am back

Got a quick trim, anyway Drago u still there?

[timber falcon]

U got a point there actually, what about moongus? Redirect or spore the thing

[autumn vault]

Landorus Incarnate with tera poison counters rillaboom and Raging bolt

[molten oasis]

Oh, I forgot about that

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah

[molten oasis]

Amoonguss does what damage to bolt

[timber falcon]

Sleep for someone else? Maybe? Idk

[molten oasis]

It’s, it’s not like bad

But we don’t exactly have a way to kill bolt

So lando works

[timber falcon]

Ok

[molten oasis]

We have, lando palafin amoonguss and harc

Now we could probably add incin, but harc is fine rn

[timber falcon]

Also I’ve noticed, I lost like 10 games to the atricuno team, and rn my team is looking freeze dry prey

[molten oasis]

The one with garchomp

[timber falcon]

.

[molten oasis]

Yea no shit lol

Anyway, let’s go with calm mind bolt next

[timber falcon]

Don’t that 4 mons that can easily lose? that team gives my nightmares

[molten oasis]

The snow teams hate the sight of rocks

You have harc

[timber falcon]

That’s why they got lando and oger, a problem

[molten oasis]

And palafin resists it

[timber falcon]

Man that team covers everything

I don’t think there’s a clear MU for it

[molten oasis]

Yk what it doesn’t cover, dengo

[autumn vault]

As a succesful sand player i can confirm this is true

[timber falcon]

Lando

[molten oasis]

You deal with harc and lando with palafin

And that team HATES dengo

You have tools to handle it

It’s not a bad mu

[timber falcon]

Scarf dengo?

[molten oasis]

Nasty plot

I don’t like choice items on dengo rn

Personally

Specs is okay but I’d prefer flutter most of the time

[timber falcon]

This would work

[molten oasis]

Yea

So, palafin amoonguss harc lando and dengo

idk if another ground weakness is a good idea

[autumn vault]

Seems like a good core

[molten oasis]

So prob not bolt

Although what mu do you hate rn

Psyspam, no we have dengo

Assuming it’s not arma

And if it’s arma we have rocks

Lando covers bolt

Oh paonite, no we have dengo

Someone name an archetype

[timber falcon]

Wi chien comfee

[molten oasis]

Who

[timber falcon]

Annoying mfs

[molten oasis]

Who the fuck is using wo chien

[timber falcon]

Stall players who like to waste your life time that’s who

[molten oasis]

I’m not gonna account for niche mu’s like that

[atomic mural]

Lmao

[molten oasis]

And if they’re playing stall we have dengo

Dengo gets to spam nasty plot infront of that

wow dengo is uh, dengo is the answer

To everything, we like dengo

[timber falcon]

Keep forgetting about the beauty of good as hold

Gold*

[timber falcon]

Also one thing I have no idea what to do about is what palfin would have as a set

[autumn vault]

It dominates OU for a reason

[molten oasis]

Dengo be like

[molten oasis]

I told you

Rn clear amulet, max hp max attack is probably fine. Wave crash jet punch protect and a coverage move

[timber falcon]

Close combat or ice punch is the question

I like a fighting move act

[molten oasis]

oh Archa rain seems, no we have lando fuck

Man

[timber falcon]

Dengo and lando coverage 🤝

[molten oasis]

Dengo solved a hole in my team

Dengo good

[timber falcon]

Even better as I have a shiny dengo I’ve been wanting to use

[molten oasis]

We can just slap something on ig

Urshifu

Single strike

[timber falcon]

Dark?

Yep

[molten oasis]

I think single strike is still better rn but Tera fsiry being on everyone’s team does hinder it a bit

But bolt single handedly puts a hinderance on rapid shifu

So it’s fine

Anyway, I think scarfshifu is a bit better here

We don’t really have speed control

[timber falcon]

Icy wind flutter?

[molten oasis]

No,

[timber falcon]

Web bolt

[molten oasis]

I’m not saying we need speed control

We just don’t have any beyond a scarf shifu and jet punch, yiu should keep that in mind

[timber falcon]

What will bolt not have thunderclap?

Or is he out

[molten oasis]

I dont want to add another ground weakness here

Shifu helps inti BLOODMOON, that’s the mu I kept forgetting about

[timber falcon]

Lemme get this straight, dengo, lando, harc, palafin,ursh, moongus

[molten oasis]

Yes

[timber falcon]

Ok

[molten oasis]

Do you need sets?

[timber falcon]

Yes please

[molten oasis]

K, shifu can just 252 att 252 speed 4 hp, scarf wicked blow, sucker/posion jab, close combat, and uturn. Tera poison or dark

Gholdy (Gholdengo) @ Metal Coat
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 196 HP / 212 Def / 60 SpA / 4 SpD / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Nasty Plot
• Protect

Metal coat can also be lefties

Lando is standard

I don’t have a banded harc set, hmm

[bold geode]

Tf are you

[molten oasis]

Arcanine-Hisui @ Choice Band
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 68 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 180 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Rock Slide
• Tera Blast
• Extreme Speed I think this works

[molten oasis]

He wants a palabalance team, so we built one

[bold geode]

Incineroar honestly just

[molten oasis]

Offensive pressure

I don’t disagree

[bold geode]

Landorus, Darkshifu with Scarf?

[molten oasis]

Yes

“Speed control”

[bold geode]

There's offensive pressure

Therefore the backbone of the switching

[molten oasis]

Palafin is also passive the first few turns of the game

Incin isn’t exactly killing shit early-mid game, usually

[bold geode]

Everytime I've seen attempts of Palance, I've seen Incineroar/Amoongus/Palafin

Or Rilla for Shroom

[molten oasis]

ok, sure, we can do that as well

However a concern was snow

[bold geode]

Yeah, mostly just OG 3 but kitty for dog

[molten oasis]

Harc/dengo handles that

But like, incin also works fine

[bold geode]

Odd suggestion
Ttar

[molten oasis]

No

I don’t think ttar really works well without an abuser

And we don’t really have one

And also, yea ttar ruins snow but so does harc without needing something to abuse sand

We’re banded as well

also idt sand+palafin really works

On paper it seems clunky

[bold geode]

Run Arch calcs

For snow

[molten oasis]

If thah makes sense sorry I’m kinda de-stressing a bit from a midterm, sorry if anything comes off passive-aggressive

Why?

What does Archa do over dengo?

[bold geode]

You have a core that switches a lot right

Imagine swapping in Arch into an attack

[molten oasis]

Archa doesn’t want to switch either

Constantly

I mean ig

Dengo is another mode

[bold geode]

Actually eh it probably doesn't do good against snow

Fuckin thx low spdef

[molten oasis]

Snarl isn’t bad

But yea, I just think dengo works better as a separate mode

[bold geode]

I'm thinking hmmmmm

Honestly
If you're worried about snow
Swords Dance Kingambit also

[molten oasis]

We have shifu

3 fighting weaknesses sounds kinda eh

[bold geode]

Harc/Palafin/Amoongus/Kingambit/Landorus/Raging Bolt

And give Bolt Eweb

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

Same 6 could honestly probably be done with Incineroar in Harc spot as well

[molten oasis]

Sure idk anymore

Building around palafin sucks

Cuz it isn’t good

[bold geode]

Amoongus helps with the fuckin BM Farigiraf cuz like
BM has to either have Goggles or Tera Grass to deal with Amoongus promptly
Which takes away from it's firepower

[molten oasis]

I honestly don’t feel like eweb bolt is that good

It’s in a weird speed tier, and the rest of the team doesn’t really gain thah much off of it

[bold geode]

Eweb Bolt is to help Landorus Incarnate with it's issue in needing speed control
Sorta seen on Tyo's snow team

And could possibly help Harc too if you're going with that

[molten oasis]

ig

I’ve never had success with eweb although I haven’t tested it with gapdos team

Not that I want to mess with calcs rn

Eweb doesn’t help incin or Prima

[bold geode]

It can help
I learned that I believe with Tyo's team specifically or probably Harc in general not sure
Incineroar on your last team could outspeed Harc with a paralysis
So Eweb can matter some

Fuck it I'll dabble with it some later

[molten oasis]

The palafin team?

[bold geode]

Yeah

Cuz I'm delusional

[molten oasis]

lol fair

I’m gonna actually do the gc this time lol

I think I’ll actually do it

Last time I just got bored

[whole ibex]

someone said palafin?

[bold geode]

Cuz yeah the pieces I think are interchangeable are Harc and Amoongus
Cuz other options are Incin and Rilla
Rilla depending on how you want your Psyspam MU

[molten oasis]

Yea

[whole ibex]

hence why we got to get rid of urshifu (I know Gyarados was the main culprit but idc I want an excuse to blame Urshifu)

[molten oasis]

No, I hate palafin

Id rather deal with urshifu than deal with palafin again

Palafin ruined reg c for me

[bold geode]

I miss Palance

I would've thrived with Palance had I known wtf I was doing at the time

[molten oasis]

I don’t

At the time there were not nearly as many tools to handle it

And it sucked

I’m like 90% sure the answer to palance was palance half the time

Or moon balance

[bold geode]

Or Gyarados

[molten oasis]

Right yea

[bold geode]

I'm debating defensive tera on Palafin

[whole ibex]

You cannot be serious

[molten oasis]

I am

I fucking hate palafin

I like urshifu

I hated playing against it and I hated playing it

It was not fun

[molten oasis]

Grass probably

[bold geode]

Yeah we're doing it
Grass

It helps into some nice MUs

[molten oasis]

It’s problem mu’s are rilla wellspring and bolt

So I think grass makes the most sense, or dragon

But spore immunity also very helpful

[bold geode]

Well it can even help with Amoongus and hell even a tiny bit with Archaludon

[molten oasis]

Not that palafin does shit into Archaludon

[bold geode]

Electro Shot never OHKOs thru Grass Dolphin

Well imma run CC

And let's see, y'all wanted to do Harc huh

Let's go that first

[molten oasis]

Harc makes the core just, less passive

Oh I’m gonna post an updated version of the gapdos team as a rental today, with notes on mu’s

I think dengo does solve some poor mu’s, although lando I is uh, worse lol

[bold geode]

Now take the Lando from Japan balance and the Bolt from Tyo's team lmao

[molten oasis]

Lol

[bold geode]

Who was wanting this?

@timber falcon
Try this
https://pokepast.es/016f2907884fc2d5

[molten oasis]

I still prefer dengo over gambit but ok

Oh yea, double dark gambit feels kinda bad rn

There’s so much Tera fsiry