wut paste?
#competitive_discussion
timber falcon
molten oasis
Yep
timber falcon
doesnt it have armourouge
mighty stump
Yea
timber falcon
i havent seen paste but i know that
timber falcon
doesnt it have armourouge
the bane of my existence btw
mighty stump
anyways 6-1
molten oasis
I don’t see arma at all
molten oasis
It’s a cool tech
timber falcon
roaring moon redemption 
molten oasis
Roaring moon hasn’t been bad since it got knock off lmao
mighty stump
I'll probably make a blogpost out of it
molten oasis
People just scared
molten oasis
I'll probably make a blogpost out of it
That would be a fun read
timber falcon
I'll probably make a blogpost out of it
where do u make these blogposts? im not a social media type of person but if its about pokemon ill go through with it
timber falcon
yep yep
mighty stump
It's what the Japanese use
So i'm trying to hit that market
Plus their formatting is nice
molten oasis
timber falcon
ok ill check it out, whats ur name on there?
molten oasis
ok ill check it out, whats ur name on there?
timber falcon
oh. it was there all along
molten oasis
Lol
mighty stump
I decided to link it in my profile
molten oasis
Easy access
mighty stump
You know
Considering I built this team at the end of a work day in like
10 minutes
I'm quite happy with it
mighty stump
Sometimes keeping it simple is also an easy way to do things
It's straightforward
Just using a couple of techs from things i've seen
timber falcon
10 minutes
wait should i be spending more than 5 making one
molten oasis
Without testing
timber falcon
i think im doing smth wrong if u guys taking time with teams
molten oasis
Ok
molten oasis
I take time with teams cuz I generally struggle building
mighty stump
For me sometimes the tweaking process can take weeks
timber falcon
Significantly fast
oh god
mighty stump
Lol
The work I put in particularly for my older blogposts is like
The Scream Tail team took a month
molten oasis
Yea, getting a team ti work the way you want it to can take 30 minutes or a month lol
timber falcon
Yea, getting a team ti work the way you want it to can take 30 minutes or a mont...
does this include testing?
molten oasis
Yes
mighty stump
The Corviknight team was actually only like 2 days
molten oasis
Cuz you can’t just play games out on paper and expect it to work perfectly
timber falcon
what process do u guys do to test a team?
mighty stump
It's why I write out team reports and blog posts
My entire process is there
I'm currently also writing my teambuilding guide
timber falcon
I'm currently also writing my teambuilding guide
ill need this lmao
molten oasis
what process do u guys do to test a team?
Build, bo1, if it feels good bo3 and make tweaks when it felt necessary
Is my process
mighty stump
I have very deliberate reasonings as to why I make the decisions I do with complete mindfulness how I expect to play
For example
A couple of my teams have mons with 0 offensive moves
timber falcon
Build, bo1, if it feels good bo3 and make tweaks when it felt necessary
aight ill do smth like this
mighty stump
But that's because I am incredibly mindful about what my win-conditions are and how I'm going to play things out
and also
Its not just abot Bo1/Bo3
mighty stump
You focus and play on the format you're going to play
There is 0 point building for CTS if youre gonna be playing Bo3 and vice versa
mighty stump
Sometimes with certain teams I've played up to 200 games
molten oasis
Unless something feels glaringly shit
timber falcon
oh so teambuilding is no joke
molten oasis
I do build with consistency in mind and then go play bo1 lol
mighty stump
You build a good habit and it shows in everything you do
timber falcon
Like hitting 1500 in bo1 or something along those lines
i can barely do this on my main
mighty stump
That's why I don't like the "whatever it works" mindset
It's a dumb mindset to have if you're trying to improve
molten oasis
i can barely do this on my main
That’s a good goal then
molten oasis
It's a dumb mindset to have if you're trying to improve
Mhmm
timber falcon
ok ill try and improve my teambuilding then
molten oasis
You should be playing rentals then
Playing rentals lets you kinda see what works and why
timber falcon
so use rental teams?
molten oasis
Yes
Things on the meta side as well, like feel free to use anything but using like, a Fari Luna or paotei team works
Better
timber falcon
ok ill take that into consideration, off to rental i go
molten oasis
I’ll have to start exploring the builder again soon
I think I like using set up mons the most, like by far
mighty stump
Also
Like
"Whatever it works" doesn't mean you can just use what works
It just means you gotta be able to have strong reasoning and justification to run it
molten oasis
Primarina and Gholdengo are top 3 favorites in comp
mighty stump
Cuase then it can at least open up a conversation
timber falcon
thanks a bunch guys/gals??????????????????????
molten oasis
I’m a dude
mighty stump
Guy
timber falcon
ok guy then, anyway thanks a lot
mighty stump
Anyways give me clicks on the blog thanks
molten oasis
Lmao
timber falcon
will do 👍
mighty stump
Rhyperior
molten oasis
…
What does it even do
Tr sweeper or something? I feel like you’ve said that before as well
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
mighty stump
Solid Rock is based
molten oasis
Oh solid rock
livid vine
What Pokemon would go well with Iron Boulder?
molten oasis
Av max hp max attack brave/adamant
next stump
mighty stump
Av max hp max attack brave/adamant
SpDef
molten oasis
I - https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2071179522
Which team are you
next stump
the non-dondozo team
bold geode
Anyways give me clicks on the blog thanks
Wow
Hunting for views smh
Also I stopped when I went 2-2 cuz my brain derailed to dumb shit with friends lmao
next stump
I just wasted all my luck for my tourney this weekend
bold geode
Like if I'm laughing at this, I can't lock in lmao
mighty stump
Have fun
molten oasis
I will
It’s pass time since vgc kinda boring atm
I like discussing just not playing
timber falcon
does burn also act on surging strikes and wicked blow?
bold geode
Anyway I’m gonna go play infinite fusion now
Mix Infernape and Drifblim if you know you know
mighty stump
It does
timber falcon
ok
molten oasis
I’ve seen that
bold geode
I - https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2071179522
Top 10 biggest throws of all time from your opponent
Yeah burn does dampen Urshifu
I know that for a fact hehehehehehehe
molten oasis
Top 10 biggest throws of all time from your opponent
That wasn’t a throw
bold geode
RIP Kantonian Arcanine in the meta
molten oasis
He got flinched, like every time
bold geode
That wasn’t a throw
He should've Body Pressed on THREE of those Roosts
bold geode
1st one, Sash wasn't broke whatever
But the 2nd and 3rd
You're boosted to the max bruh
Although yeah flinches were insane
molten oasis
I think Draco into it made sense the turn the tclap happened but it’s fsir to assume you wouldn’t live +6 body press lol
mighty stump
Yea
molten oasis
Bolt literally different for that tho lol
timber falcon
is it neccasery to calc all evs for a pokemon???
mighty stump
Depends
Its not about calcing
- It's about having an awareness of your thresholds of what the Pokemon can KO/Withstand and what situations you want to engage/avoid
- Creating a set can create micro-advantages which is how you gain those slight edges over opponents
Pokemon is a game of micro-advantages
craggy dagger
is it neccasery to calc all evs for a pokemon???
its nice to know that your pokemon will live a standard set though
mighty stump
Purely cause of how customisable a Pokemon is
timber falcon
ok ill keep that in mind
mighty stump
But even the team rn im running is all just standard sets
craggy dagger
theres nothing wrong with standard though
timber falcon
yeah but non band harc doesnt rly have a "set" so im struggling
mighty stump
I mean
molten oasis
Sometimes changing a set slightly can alter your mu’s
I like hitting 170 speed on ogerpon since most are hitting 169
mighty stump
Arcanine-Hisui
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 212 HP / 116 Atk / 180 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Lives Choice Specs Dark Pulse from Timid Chi-Yu
- Outspeeds Max-Spe Adamant Dragonite
- 2nd Bump Attack
timber falcon
Arcanine-Hisui
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 212 HP...
oh this existed before hand?
timber falcon
oh well thanks then
molten oasis
Lol
mighty stump
Took me like 2 moments
timber falcon
but how u calc so fast
mighty stump
- I wanna be able to beat Dragonite in Extreme-Speed mirrors
- Chi-Yu deletes no bulk H-Arcanine, you threaten with Rock Slide, I wanna be able to win that matchup/sit in front of Chi-Yu if I need to
- Dump
It's just following certain logic lines
timber falcon
ah ok then
mighty stump
Again, it's all about identifying the relevant matchups that you expect to be in
and seeing if you can alter that matchup through EVs
timber falcon
also how would u calc the effeciency between hp and defense evs?
mighty stump
You don't, it;s always HP over defenses first
timber falcon
ok
mighty stump
Unless
There is a wide gap between the base HP and defenses i.e. Iron Hands and AV
Mathematically there is greater % change for SpDef side of things if you invest in SpDef
timber falcon
ok so only if its a massive hole
mighty stump
With Flutter Mane
You get the same concept
But it's best to invest in HP first because you get that bonus of being stronger on the SpDef side of thigns
timber falcon
so for mons like incin hp and mons that specifically lack a certain defence i should boost it
molten oasis
Unless you’re hands in which you invest in spD first, I believe
timber falcon
aight so basically what ive seen is ideally hp should be 110% -120% more, the one ill be most likely to retain anyway
mighty stump
Also VGCguide has a section on making spreads
timber falcon
k ill check it out too
delicate sequoia
Welp, just got done my Day 1 battles, went 7-8
Honestly expected to do SO much worse, tbh
dull ibex
hello
craggy dagger
yo
autumn vault
Hey
charred saddle
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2071237023
i fucking love this team 
dull ibex
I went to shower
charred saddle
dull ibex
You literally say hello and dip everytime 😭
whats up
charred saddle
going great
mighty stump
Higher
dull ibex
oh shit.
dull ibex
I can imagine
mighty stump
Then did GC stuff and cooked for the family and I am incredibly tired
I also cannot figure out a more sustainable way to present my blog
My last one is probably my best one yet
But i gotta figure out something more sustainable since sprites are hard to come by
dull ibex
ive been on a hyperfixation 🙂
craggy dagger
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2071237023
i fucking love th...
leo what
molten oasis
You literally say hello and dip everytime 😭
Facts
mighty stump
ive been on a hyperfixation 🙂
What fixation
molten oasis
twice a year lets go
Real
molten oasis
nice game no <a:KEKWlaugh:1033574414501031986>
Man I sure love switching
And not dying
cold ivy
can someone help me with something?
molten oasis
Was looking at set up mons, did not know ttar gets ddance lol
molten oasis
can someone help me with something?
cold ivy
https://pokepast.es/a80573180cc751ef
how do i get the 2nd goodra which i have exactly like the goodra at the top
autumn vault
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2071237023
i fucking love th...
This is like 10 minutes long you 100% have patience
cold ivy
https://pokepast.es/a80573180cc751ef
how do i get the 2nd goodra which i have ex...
it has those ivs bc i was matching the stats
molten oasis
What exactly do you mean by that
cold ivy
for the solo venusaur, i saw pokemon showdown stuff is here, for the solo goodra it says to use the top one, but how do i get the attack like the other goodra
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/a80573180cc751ef
how do i get the 2nd goodra which i have ex...
Breed with ditto
molten oasis
Oh like in game?
cold ivy
yeah
molten oasis
Breeding
cold ivy
just to raise one stat??
autumn vault
0 speed iv isn't neccesary for the venusaur raid
molten oasis
Ye
autumn vault
I did it with "pretty good" speed ivs
cold ivy
thats stupid
molten oasis
Can also use bottle caps
cold ivy
oh okay
bold geode
Was looking at set up mons, did not know ttar gets ddance lol
Might I interest you in the Monkey Flower Bible sir
molten oasis
For ivs
cold ivy
so hyper train attack?
molten oasis
Might I interest you in the Monkey Flower Bible sir
I’m not doing comfey ape
That’s for you and tofu
Hmmmm
bold geode
Damn
Archaludon
Convert to the Churchaludon
molten oasis
Damn
Archaludon
Convert to the Churchaludon
I’ve used that set before and I’m looking for a set up Mon
I’m considering Bax and Fire since Bax isn’t very common and ddance Fire isn’t the common set
Maybe clanging scales Kommo-o
bold geode
My ass thought about CA Swords Dance Hands once
molten oasis
That’s not bad
I just don’t think hands is very good rn
Dragon dance pult is funny
bold geode
The one thing it has rn
The normal CA set it ran punishes Incineroar somehow
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
Haven’t done anything pult in a minute either
bold geode
<:Thonking:337807709917151232>
You know what else doesn't
molten oasis
I’m not using ape
bold geode
Lmao I'm sorry
molten oasis
It is not a Mon I like to pilot personally
bold geode
I just still find it funny that Ape just naturally fucks with Incineroar so much
molten oasis
I have nothing directly against it’s just not a Mon I like piloting in this format
If only it got shadow claw
Cuz like, I don’t want to ddance just to then click phantom force or be forced to run Tera blast
tranquil lance
https://pokepast.es/62e7017089f378e0
this is my current trick room team that i built around Sylveon and Goth, are their better members i could put down here? ive been thinking of replacing indeedee, hatterene, and iron hands, should i stick to this or use other pokemon. (also that iron hands is supposed to be AV with drain punch, heavy slam, wild charge, fake out. not sure why it didnt save the change)
bold geode
If only it got shadow claw
What Ape?!
molten oasis
Pult
bold geode
Oh sorry, you said it after talking about Ape
molten oasis
Pult has phantom force and Tera ghost Tera blast as coversge
bold geode
I was starting to say "fuck you mean it got it"
molten oasis
Which blows
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
It’s not exactly, yea nah it’s not bulky enough for ddance lol
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
Oh shit
bold geode
I feel like sometimes set up is also just good even when the team isn't fully centered around it
Like Hearthflame with SD is just good
molten oasis
I feel like sometimes set up is also just good even when the team isn't fully ce...
I mean the Primarina isn’t the center point of the gapdos team it just happened to have good synergy with the team
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
Man
I forgot how eh that defensive type is
Meanwhile if we look at like, gouging fire
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
Hmm
I mean the problem with ddance gouging fire is it takes like, 2 to actually get it going
Prob why howl is better lol
Why does lando t get calm mind
craggy dagger
Why does lando t get calm mind
it does-
owh no of course it does
T and I forms share the same moveset
molten oasis
Right
Got any ideas on a set up Mon to build around?
I’m considering Bax snow but, idk how I feel about snow rn
Maybe calm mind heatproof sini
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
Matcha Shadow ball calm mind/nasty plot protect
craggy dagger
a setup…?
craggy dagger
no i know
craggy dagger
calm mind indeedee M for one mon psyspam ig?
molten oasis
…
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
craggy dagger
sd/bd clear amu hands next to a comfey
craggy dagger
swords dance white herb unburden?
molten oasis
Sneasler is so, just not it
craggy dagger
hawlucha-
craggy dagger
owh-
swagger mirror herb
molten oasis
That, eh
It seems gimmicky on paper
It doesn’t work if they lead prankster either
craggy dagger
no dengo too
molten oasis
Yea
craggy dagger
owh-
np glowking
molten oasis
Isn’t glowking like, awful
craggy dagger
mmmm
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
craggy dagger
depends…
craggy dagger
yeah
i’m running out of ideas
cm bolt, np hydrapple, np dengo, np goltres, sd/bd hands, sd loaded dice scale shot bax
sini works better with lorb rather than cm
OWH WAIT-
dancer clang soul corio
molten oasis
OWH WAIT-
dancer clang soul corio
Dancer does not work lol
molten oasis
cm bolt, np hydrapple, np dengo, np goltres, sd/bd hands, sd loaded dice scale s...
Bolt maybe, not doing Hydrapple again, maybe dengo, goltres maybe, I don’t like hands, could try that bsx
craggy dagger
Dancer does not work lol
wym dancer doesn’t work
molten oasis
I’ll look at those
craggy dagger
dancer baton pass 
molten oasis
wym dancer doesn’t work
It just doesn’t. Oricorio even with boosts is just mid
craggy dagger
BATON PASS DRAGO
it’s purely there to get the buffs and pass them on
supportcorio
molten oasis
So it’s almost useless otherwise
craggy dagger
pollen puff for healing
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
I’ll look at it
craggy dagger
it doesn’t get pollen puff nvm
bold geode
Ayo the games stack right? So can I play rest of my day 1 and day 2 15 at once?
craggy dagger
i think so?
next stump
yes
bold geode
Ok
Alright boys we playing 26 games tonight 🤣
craggy dagger
you got thisss
bold geode
Lmao
I'm 2-2 so far, but I wasn't playing bad so
karmic temple
It just doesn’t. Oricorio even with boosts is just mid
Excuse u the dancing bird is funny which automatically makes it not mid
Me using a dancer meme team in the gc
bold geode
Excuse u the dancing bird is funny which automatically makes it not mid
Incineroar always solos
Incineroar for Prom King
craggy dagger
okay no corio as a dps is mid-
but baton pass onto a chi yu?
that’s where it’s at
bold geode
Just Nasty Plot
craggy dagger
craggy dagger
Just Nasty Plot
but the speed boost-
willow vault
Oricorio? Ok
willow vault
okay no corio as a dps is mid-
but baton pass onto a chi yu?
that’s where it’s a...
Clearly I’m too old to understand, are you trying to make inoptimal strategies?
bold geode
Eh tbh just TW
First Redirect set up
Speed control
Sweep
Words by the mighty man himself @mighty stump
elder python
can someone rate my singles pokemon shield team
willow vault
What’s everyone favourite pokemon, they have used competitively?
next stump
Mimikyu
willow vault
Ooh
next stump
or maybe Maushold
bold geode
Dillon loved his Gholdengo Maushold
willow vault
Mines either Kingambit or Toxicroak
next stump
it’s probably wrong of me to not choose farigarif given I’ve earned 445 out of 485 of my points this year with it hahaha
willow vault
it’s probably wrong of me to not choose farigarif given I’ve earned 445 out of 4...
Damn, you qualified for worlds?
next stump
500 points here in the U.S. for worlds, but pretty much
I hope the GC this weekend can get me there
willow vault
Oh, I forgot it’s different amounts for each region
willow vault
You qualified for worlds before?
craggy dagger
i’m trying to have fun with team building-
i know it’s not optimal and is garbage but still
willow vault
So you are aware, cool is it a fun team?
If you’re having fun using the team, then I can’t judge
next stump
no I haven’t, this is my first season traveling to a good number of events (I’ve gone to 3 and have 2 more planned) so I never had a great chance at qualifying before
willow vault
Oh well fair play, must be exciting
next stump
it is 🙂 thank you
molten oasis
Excuse u the dancing bird is funny which automatically makes it not mid
Funny
Not good
dapper crag
any tips for making a kommo-o into a competitive pokémon?
craggy dagger
So you are aware, cool is it a fun team?
i make stupid pokemon teams for a living
bold geode
any tips for making a kommo-o into a competitive pokémon?
Iron Defense Body Press set
Cybertron should have a video on one that won Sacramento, or you can probably find one just by looking on YouTube
dapper crag
thanks
bold geode
Yup
bold geode
You never use Fire Punch lol
Steel Tera Flash Cannon or Iron Head in some cases
Think it's more Iron Head now
willow vault
i make stupid pokemon teams for a living
Fair enough
timber falcon
yeah fire punch is effective either way
willow vault
Are the fairies saying oh no sarcastically?
craggy dagger
insert bullet punch meme here
willow vault
Insert Tera blast steel meme here
craggy dagger
owh do you not know the bullet punch meme with machamp and gengar?
willow vault
No?
craggy dagger
willow vault
Ok
elder python
does ferrothore work better with cinderace or corviknight
timber falcon
The next global challenge should really be best of 3
too many people, its literally global...........
assuming u also mean OTS
next stump
The next global challenge should really be best of 3
Global challenges are mostly for Japan since its how they qualify for Japanese Nationals, which is then how they qualify for worlds
and Japan plays mostly bo1 closed teamsheet, so that’s why they keep the tourney like this
timber falcon
Global challenges are mostly for Japan since its how they qualify for Japanese N...
are japanese nationals like regionals?
next stump
Yes, but it’s just one tournament
timber falcon
oh ok
next stump
they only get one which SUCKS and it’s their one shot to qualify
timber falcon
oh damn, whats the placing like? top 8 or smth?
next stump
I think it’s like top 16, maybe top 32
timber falcon
still thats quite a low number for one shot, the team building grind must be crazy
bold geode
Yeah they go crazy during GCs at least
timber falcon
anyone got a set for rocky helm torn?
timber falcon
Yeah they go crazy during GCs at least
most likely
upbeat quail
Man I’m getting jipped so hard by some stupid gimmicks in this global
I’m so sorry that Japan has to qualify for nationals using a Best of 1
timber falcon
Man I’m getting jipped so hard by some stupid gimmicks in this global
pain
upbeat quail
I’m currently 6-6 man
But my Torkoal just clutched a game by being last alive at 7hp so I gotta enjoy that
near smelt
Hey is there a teammate that can pair with His. decidueye preferably with Dragon cheer?
Wanted to see if I can take advantage with Triple arrow and run it under Trick room
upbeat quail
I am getting so discouraged in this global challenge. Anyone have any advice?
I was gonna use this as practice for a regional I wanna go to this summer but I’m starting to feel down about it now. I think I’m currently 7-8 in the GC
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/5b4837441f49dd8c after my little teambuilding lesson, i think ive succesfully created a good harcanine team
any thoughts?
grizzled bronze
I am getting so discouraged in this global challenge. Anyone have any advice?
I...
i dont think bo1 cts format is a good practice for a regional...
craggy dagger
just ran into clear amulet flutter
what
upbeat quail
I fought a choice band Mudsdale earlier today.
autumn vault
I fought an earth power Lycanroc today in GC
timber falcon
low ladder really tripping this hard
next up flame orb snorlax
what kind of zaza they smokin
autumn vault
Facade doesn't change damage
timber falcon
too bad its snorlax
autumn vault
it is only for 100% consistent damage
timber falcon
belly drum facade hits like a truck
and it domt have guts
craggy dagger
owh
autumn vault
he was thinking to be funny
autumn vault
🧠 ❌
nocturne holly
with flame orb yeah
Burn halves atk but then facade gets doubled
So it gets cancelled out
craggy dagger
owh
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
nocturne holly
Yea
craggy dagger
with belly drum it doesn’t-
nocturne holly
You’re just handicapping your other moves if you do that
nocturne holly
with belly drum it doesn’t-
Then just belly drum without burn
timber falcon
with belly drum it doesn’t-
belly drum wont change the fect its till 70 bp
craggy dagger
anyways
nocturne holly
Belly drum Burned facade w/o guts is the same as just belly drum facade
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
nocturne holly
Early season is craaazy
next stump
why not keep playing?
pastel blade
why not keep playing?
I’ll probably just do some casual battles
Not going for number 1 in the world or anything like that
next stump
That rank will decay into like the 3000 or 4000+ range if you sit on it all season
craggy dagger
push push
elder python
hazard removers for gen 8?
livid vine
Anybody got an Electabuzz spread? Struggling to EV him well
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
timber falcon
hazard removers for gen 8?
Most ppl here are gen 9 rn, and doubles
elder python
Most ppl here are gen 9 rn, and doubles
whoops
near crag
Do you think AV is better for dnite nowadays? It has some tournament usage, and helps to get around both farigiraf and (if tera), flutter, with iron head. But, obviously, it loses at lot of its offence, and thus, a bit of extreme speed's value. What do you think?
bold geode
Do you think AV is better for dnite nowadays? It has some tournament usage, and ...
CB and AV are both viable
dawn crown
https://pokepast.es/c56a16a932d6b2e4 thoughts?
whole ibex
There’s so many Pokemon I want to try to use
There’s a lot I want to try like dragapult + Gouging Fire + Corvid, Breloom Tailwind, Bax Tailwind and Hydrapple but I can’t figure out what I want to use
Why have people been looking into Garchomp?
mighty stump
I don’t think anyone has
cyan smelt
The only use for garchomp is sand veil bright powder gimmicks
mighty stump
The only use for garchomp is sand veil bright powder gimmicks
Well
I wouldn’t put it that low
Lol
mighty stump
You know
Tera-Fairy Pikachu walls some variants of Raging Bolt and beats it in the 1v1
molten oasis
Why have people been looking into Garchomp?
Since when? Lol
molten oasis
craggy dagger
:>
mighty stump
Anyways Pikachu
Right
With Torn Shifu
it all makes sense
Pikachu
With
Rain
Pikachu Rain
Its built
craggy dagger
oh yeah budget physical bolt beam pikachu
mighty stump
Ok
molten oasis
Lmfao
mighty stump
Eggsactly
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
craggy dagger
gimme xD
i wanna play that team-
mighty stump
Archa/Torn/Shifu/Pikachu/Amoonguss/Pelipper
molten oasis
Wrong move lol
mighty stump
Pikachu even gives FO pressure for Shifu
molten oasis
Nvm thah move doesn’t exist 
mighty stump
Who said teambuilding was hard
craggy dagger
huh-
boltbeam is a coverage term-
molten oasis
Oh lmao
craggy dagger
thunderbolt ice beam coverage
mighty stump
Running Thunder Pikachu gl to all@my opponents
molten oasis
I just woke up
craggy dagger
thats a better idea-
still running blast though?
molten oasis
I an half considering taking work off today lol
mighty stump
If you go Physical its just Volt Tackle and Play Rough
mighty stump
I an half considering taking work off today lol
Just do it
Rest is good
Youll feel better
mighty stump
I mean at your age homework probably more@important
craggy dagger
take the day off to catch up on school pressure.
itll help with taking a chunk of weight off your back
mighty stump
I sound old wtf
molten oasis
Yea cuz I have a test on Monday and I missed 2 days of school
molten oasis
I’m not cramming it lmao
craggy dagger
i always do homework with egg hatching xD
molten oasis
I give myself an amount to do and take a break
mighty stump
I always think of Pomodoro technique and associate them with
Tomatoes
they just sound like a type of tomato
molten oasis
So like, I need ti do 2 units of math and then some of my info tech stuff
Then yea. I’ll try to get my shift covered
craggy dagger
So like, I need ti do 2 units of math and then some of my info tech stuff
i would def call off work then-
molten oasis
At least it’s a short shift today so I’m not randomly asking anyone to close
mighty stump
Ill send you the team when i make the paste nova
craggy dagger
If you go Physical its just Volt Tackle and Play Rough
wait do you run play rough-?
i thought volt tackle, fairy blast, fake out, protect or whatever-
craggy dagger
Ill send you the team when i make the paste nova
please do xD
molten oasis
You run play rough it’s better lol
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
craggy dagger
owh-
base 90 to base 80 yeah that makes sense
mighty stump
Yea im only doing TBlast cuz its SpA
molten oasis
Missing, can blow but it’s usually fine
mighty stump
More just
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
mighty stump
Not dealing with Intim
Although tbh
I dont expect people to bring Incin to Rain MUs
but who knows
molten oasis
It’s attack is higher but yea I get not wanting to deal with intim
mighty stump
Im still inclined to be physical
Cause you OHKO Flutter
even the bulkiest variants
craggy dagger
light ball really does go crazy xD
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
SHIT I HAVE PANDA ON MY TABLE AND ITS BEEN OUT FOR A FEW HOURS
mighty stump
What
craggy dagger
panda...?
molten oasis
Oh sorry, Panda Express food
mighty stump
Hows you steal a panda for your table from China
craggy dagger
owhhhh
mighty stump
I kinda miss Panda Express
molten oasis
I legit uh, went home at 1 and passed out for 8 hours
craggy dagger
i've never had it...
but it seems nice-
mighty stump
Its more than just x2 the base attack, you double your return on your EVs
molten oasis
I need to fix my sleep schedule it is so bad lmao
mighty stump
I only had it when I was younger when I was still in the US
molten oasis
You used to live in the US?
mighty stump
Its based off the chinese canteen style food
the OG stuff is far better for price and amount and taste but yea
still good
mighty stump
You used to live in the US?
Yep
craggy dagger
Its more than just x2 the base attack, you double your return on your EVs
okay so-
even more broken then i thought-
mighty stump
Im Chinese Indonesian but our family had to run away from the New Order Riots
So we moved to USA in 1999
for 4 years, its where I learned English before my@mother tongue
So despite my ethnicity I consider English my first language
molten oasis
Interesting
craggy dagger
technically my first language is english cause i was born in NA but i learned to speak korean and japanese before english-
molten oasis
Man every time I look at YouTube and see Niels stuff it’s just the most click baiting thing ever and then it’s just fucking PaoNiteTei
molten oasis
Fr
It’s like “look at this unique team” and then WOW, PAO SHIFU RILLA INCIN, HOW ORIGINAL
Can’t forget your fluttermane and Tornadus
craggy dagger
that sounds like a team for someone whos running out of ideas to play the game fun-
molten oasis
Reg e team but incin over harc
I get using the meta it’s the best tools to win just not very fun
craggy dagger
at least its not dozogiri-
molten oasis
craggy dagger
i still hate dontatsu with a burning passion
dull ibex
So despite my ethnicity I consider English my first language
tofu lore is pog
bold geode
I kinda miss Panda Express
Sometimes it hits
But then there's other times well
Then again, I eat there basically a fuck ton so it's not like they hurtin by one bad time lmao
Anyways time for some GC shit
mighty stump
that sounds like a team for someone whos running out of ideas to play the game f...
Couldn’t be me
mighty stump
tofu lore is pog
It makes me think about the people who went for me for “using big words”
bold geode
Bruh
craggy dagger
Couldn’t be me
i have too many ideas that 90% are garbage and dont actually work xD
runic eagle
am i allowed to ask a question about held items? i don’t want to interrupt the conversation,
bold geode
I got hit with the Poison Jab Tera Poison Rapid Strike + Leer Tornadus combo
craggy dagger
am i allowed to ask a question about held items? i don’t want to interrupt the c...
mhm feel free.
interrupting a convo doesnt matter :>
bold geode
runic eagle
ah ^^ i just don’t want to seem rude. is wide lens or loaded dice better for population bomb maushold? i’m seeing a lot of conflicting answers about the odds of hitting 10 times and i’m too dumb to understand ._.
bold geode
If you're going Pop Bomb, then Wide Lens
craggy dagger
imo i like lens for pop bomb cause you have a higher chance of hitting more.
And loaded dice is guaranteed up to 5 hits so its not guaranteed for all 10
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
craggy dagger
yeah
runic eagle
oh i see, so for multi-hit moves that hit 3-5 times, is loaded dice still inferior?
bold geode
MOTHERFUCKER LMFAO
runic eagle
sorry,
bold geode
Tera Poison Poison Jab Rapid Strike Urshifu
Leer Tornadus
And @mighty stump get this
POWER HERB PHANTOM FORCE DRAGAPULT
runic eagle
i’ve only ever played casually so competitive held items, especially new ones, are something i’m still getting used to
bold geode
i’ve only ever played casually so competitive held items, especially new ones, a...
Oh that motherfucker wasn't directed towards you lmao
runic eagle
oh,,
craggy dagger
oh i see, so for multi-hit moves that hit 3-5 times, is loaded dice still inferi...
for ones that hit up to 5 times max, loaded dice is better-
but for pop bomb, wide lens is better :>
runic eagle
for ones that hit up to 5 times max, loaded dice is better-
but for pop bomb, wi...
thank u :3
gentle cragBOT
thank u :3
bubblesys has given 1 Gen Rep to stargazer_nova
craggy dagger
owh dont mind monke-
he's playing his global challenge games rn xD
bold geode
Power Herb Dragapult bruh c'mon lmao
whole ibex
POWER HERB PHANTOM FORCE DRAGAPULT
Wait what?
bold geode
Yeah lol
runic eagle
i’ve been watching a lot of Wolfey as background noise while sewing and he’s inspired me to try competitive, but seeing him use a maushold had me wondering about how items affected pop bomb
bold geode
Well that's how
Also what video was this?
runic eagle
whole ibex
Pikachu Rain
You ok?
bold geode
Oh that's Regulation A
Rn we're in Regulation F
You might wanna catch up a little tbh
Bunch of resources to do so though
Apologies for text wall in advance
https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)
https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)
https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)
https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)
https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)
https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams
https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon
There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC
craggy dagger
POWER HERB PHANTOM FORCE DRAGAPULT
yeah thats a thing-
ive seen that like 20 times on showdown ladder
bold geode
This time it's with a fuckin Raichu
runic eagle
thank you ^^ i know i should definitely be using more recent videos, this is just one I had in the background while I was sewing. I’ve been picking up a few basic things, enough to get me at least a little interested
craggy dagger
This time it's with a fuckin Raichu
thats...
new
bold geode
Ah and a crit as another fuck you
craggy dagger
LMAO
bold geode
thank you ^^ i know i should definitely be using more recent videos, this is jus...
Right
Just figured I'd point you in a direction
runic eagle
Much appreciated :33 ty!!
craggy dagger
hah-
craggy dagger
yeah they do gimmicks too much in GCs
bold geode
If I can just kill this fuckin dino
craggy dagger
I'm just dumb
this is also true /j
bold geode
WHAT
IVY CUDGEL NO KILL TERA NORMAL DNITE
Yay I got it
Too late doe
Fuck it
Next GC I'm cooking up the most horrid dogshit gimmicks to fuck everyone
2-4 wtf
I'm not even mad, this is just some weird shit
FUCK I KEEP LETTING COMFEY DIE
This Dozo team gonna get me
mighty stump
POWER HERB PHANTOM FORCE DRAGAPULT
Is that how that works
I dont
I dont think thats how that works
mighty stump
i have too many ideas that 90% are garbage and dont actually work xD
Who knows
I’ve seen and lost to worse
bold geode
It went Phantom Force and I thought ok good thing I didn't target it
And then next thing I know
Boom Power Herb my Ogerpon is fucking dead
craggy dagger
I’ve seen and lost to worse
the only thing thats holding my teams together is the fact that i know which pokemon pair well xD
bold geode
Next GC I'm either running horrid gimmick
Or I'm just running Oblivious Dondozo cuz I've seen that twice now
THIS DOZO IS TERA FIRE BLAST
craggy dagger
wh-
bold geode
Also the Dnite on the team had EQ and Draco Meteor
Just bro
I'm not even mad I'm losing, I'm just amazed at the shit that people come up with lmao
bold geode
What happens
dull ibex
wdym
I forgot fundamentals, havent played in a minute, unfamiliar with the format shit happens
bold geode
That's what I said lmao
dull ibex
what?
bold geode
You just repeated what I basically said lol
dull ibex
where?
bold geode
Just now
dull ibex
you said what happens after your little vent
bold geode
Are you ok bud?
bold geode
you said what happens after your little vent
No that was to your comment on being rusty
Also I'm not even venting, I'm just like "wow wtf is this"
dull ibex
🤔 alright anyways I just need to get back into when I feel like playing
maybe ill play more now 🤔
bold geode
Idk
GC is GC'ing though
dull ibex
part of me wants megas balanced so we can get them back in comp
the other part of me realizing tcpi is not going to balance them
bold geode
Red have you seen the joke people are making about that announcement?
solid frigate
I'm up against a Hard Trick room team against my rain team
Indeedee Armarouge psypam.
thats gonna be rough.
haave to tera Wellspring pon
mighty stump
part of me wants megas balanced so we can get them back in comp
Yeah but it will always be ultra centralised though
dull ibex
Yeah but it will always be ultra centralised though
fair
im willing to point up with that if they were a bit less powerful
mighty stump
press X to doubt
solid frigate
I hate myself- looks like People literally looked at my team and perfectly counters it
mighty stump
What do you mean
Its more likely you either have unaccounted matchups from team error, or piloting error
Or your team isn’t holding well together
Teambuilding without significant understanding of the metagame/experience is difficult
So I wouldn’t feel too bad about it
solid frigate
So I wouldn’t feel too bad about it
well- that team i built actually carried out to 1300 in Showdown so idk how it lost 3 times in a row
mighty stump
well- that team i built actually carried out to 1300 in Showdown so idk how it l...
1300s is still low elo
At minimum current midpoints would be like 1500-1600s with a good GXE
So it’s not just about elo either
solid frigate
yep i am being fucked by my own team that somebody uses
Copium
mighty stump
Best to shift your mindset, it is key to improving
charred saddle
i almost cried at how little damage i do to donbozo
midway i realized the only way i can win is somehow getting to spore it and trick it 
charred saddle
pkir dia bakal wavecrash
AWKOKWAOWAK
idk what to do at that point, siunce it was IDBP iron head komoo, and just 1 ID will do nicely, kinda tempted to do it
mighty stump
IRON DEFENSE TERUS NEGAWITCH ANJG
charred saddle
YA GA SWITCH MATI LA
mighty stump
CLEAR SMOG KALI
charred saddle
GA ADA JG
mighty stump
TAI
charred saddle
ITU SET YG LU KASIH DAH WKWK
autumn vault
What is going on
autumn vault
I did not know that was Indonesian
charred saddle
bro dont say it anymore
mighty stump
HAHAHA
mighty stump
PeepeePoosee:
Dondozo: Cowabunga
charred saddle
charred saddle
otw, gabakl main bnyk bnyk dlm satu hari, mulai tolol abis 5+ game
mighty stump
mungkin sblm main dah tolol kali
charred saddle
either i overthink too much after 5 games or dont think
mighty stump
You know
autumn vault
My winrate is 53% with over 1300 elo
charred saddle
nga la anjir, blm S.ked gw
i saw u told us yesterday
is it bad?
i mean like the condition when it came
mighty stump
My winrate is 53% with over 1300 elo
How many games?
mighty stump
Well it’s not a good sensation
autumn vault
Either i am trash at teambuilding, overthink or i get bad luck with rng
charred saddle
im still like a bit scared on the future, soalnya gw orngnya rada ceroboh. rada suka underestimate permasalahan ato kek cases, jadi gw suka overlook some small stuffs.
gw takut handle pasien dah
mighty stump
im still like a bit scared on the future, soalnya gw orngnya rada ceroboh. rada ...
It’s fine
mighty stump
Either i am trash at teambuilding, overthink or i get bad luck with rng
You probably lack some form of fundamental play and clarity/direction
autumn vault
Well i do make a lot of bad plays sometimes
mighty stump
RNG wouldn’t account for a major part of your losses otherwise consistency wouldnt be possible
autumn vault
Once i used horn leech on a tera'd wellspring with tera'd hearthflame and their ogerpon had amoonguss, it didn't rage powder but i didn't account for it
i still won but damn
But i am the guy that did find an earth power Lycanroc in this GC2
grizzled bronze
steel is the most common set
dapper crag
any other thing? ( i dont like to be like the most of the people)
grizzled bronze
i mean that's the most optimal imo
you remove 4x weakness to fairy, get a stab on flash cannon/iron head to knock them out
dapper crag
gp but i dont have those tm's
grizzled bronze
you can make them?
dapper crag
i can make flash canon
but im running physical
with dragon dance
just need cufant tarnish for iron head
pov you need fire type moves to cover your pokemons weaknesses
autumn vault
charred saddle
if ur a physical komoo, the common sets are iron defense, bbody press, iron head steel tera and protect
do what you want
autumn vault
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2071654452-naktvf8qe8jvkelimjdogph9lnx6um7pw i played pretty good against my opponent (weezing disabled bisharp's defiant and incin parting shot it and defiant didn't activate)
cold ivy
can someone help me build a comp team? dm me please
timber falcon
Guys is a strong spatcker always needed for a team? And what’s an example of one that doesn’t have to be like specs flutter, bolt or lando-I for example
charred saddle
well tbf u "dont" actually need them to work with a team, but they make it easier to play against certain MU and gameplays
ie. it doesnt get intimidated, against IDBP gameplay, against mons with high def bbut shit sp def
well generally its better in my opinion to have like both sp atk and atk in the team so you can have a more balanced team
timber falcon
ok
autumn vault
I prefer either 4 sp. att 2 attack or 3-3 or 4 physical and 2 special
timber falcon
I prefer either 4 sp. att 2 attack or 3-3 or 4 physical and 2 special
yeah currently i always add 2 spatck, but between the hard hitting ones the choices are quite limited
mighty stump
Rather than going for categories just focus on covering and it naturally will fill their own blanks
e.g. if youre needing a flutter check you naturally focus on Physical mons anyways
timber falcon
i know its much too early to be getting hopes high, but this is what my harc team does so far
timber falcon
e.g. if youre needing a flutter check you naturally focus on Physical mons anywa...
ok so add them for a reason/MU like Peepee said?
not just cause its a spatcker
https://pokepast.es/f9466e82f1697a55 and this the team
tough idol
grizzled bronze
gambit managed to sneak in
mighty stump
ok so add them for a reason/MU like Peepee said?
Yep
mighty stump
i know its much too early to be getting hopes high, but this is what my harc tea...
Gotta get that GXE up
timber falcon
Gotta get that GXE up
whats a reasonable amount for a succesful team?
for the high ladder im seeing 70% minimum, so ima go for that
dull ibex
🫡
timber falcon
just wanna show probably the weirdest set in low ladder ive seen, well at least leading setshttps://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2071706303
very interesting to say the least
in fact he was 1400+
mighty stump
for the high ladder im seeing 70% minimum, so ima go for that
Reasonably 65-70 if you know what youre doing
70+ is the good stuff
80% is impressive
timber falcon
So I’ll go for 65 and about 1500 elo until I give my team the “yeahs it’s good” mark
Or does elo gotta be up there
autumn vault
just wanna show probably the weirdest set in low ladder ive seen, well at least ...
I got Gen 5 nostalgia because the music was Hugh's battle theme
timber falcon
I got Gen 5 nostalgia because the music was Hugh's battle theme
As a let’s go pikachu pokemon starter, I cannot relate 
timber falcon
<:KEKW:620510749407707136>
Lmfao wut-
timber falcon
That’s not vulpix that’s an abomination
molten oasis
Fr
autumn vault
That is not vulpix that is mad goofy-ahh vulpix
autumn vault
<:KEKW:620510749407707136>
^
mighty stump
Or does elo gotta be up there
1500s is the midpoint so it’s fine as a common stop point
timber falcon
Okidoki
autumn vault
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2071716119-v7706eerufiplebg3szwxey02ounh5xpw good reason why bolt counters urshifu rapid so well (no torn, pelipper but it got thunderCLAPPED)
craggy dagger
is anyone keeping up with regionals-
has it even started-
autumn vault
Things are looking good <:WobbuParty:669500457940418580>
nice
molten oasis
is anyone keeping up with regionals-
*has it even started-*
Ting Lu p2 just lost to lando rilla incin bolt
craggy dagger
timber falcon
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2071738412-46rm82yrsjxhcfw21ga4z7ikkf8yrx9pw the art of stall teams, a way to waste everyone’s time
autumn vault
Ting Lu p2 just lost to lando rilla incin bolt
autumn vault
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2071738412-46rm82yrsjxhcfw21g...
Stall players (most likely) have no life
molten oasis
Huh
Bolt beam is neutral into every type
ALOLAN NINETALES HARC AND WHIMS ON STREAM
autumn vault
Bolt beam is neutral into every type
Magnezone says hi
timber falcon
What’s bolt beam
autumn vault
Steel electric resists botlbeam
timber falcon
ALOLAN NINETALES HARC AND WHIMS ON STREAM
EHRTE
molten oasis
Thunderbolt Ice beam
craggy dagger
yeah-
that’s why boltbeam is a good standard for offensive pressure
molten oasis
Steel electric resists botlbeam
damn
craggy dagger
Thunderbolt Ice beam
learned that yesterday huh
timber falcon
WHERE HARC
molten oasis
Regionals today
autumn vault
WHERE HARC
Harc resting OTOT
craggy dagger
netherlands regionals yeh
molten oasis
I’m excited for the ninetales
autumn vault
Tera flying roaring moon > Tera poison roaring moon
timber falcon
Fr u want moon to be dealing those beeg hits
autumn vault
Tera poison balance is cringe, tera flying balance is way more desireable
Dont show me tera poison roaring moon
molten oasis
If you know you know
autumn vault
i don't
craggy dagger
If you know you know
autumn vault
Fr u want moon to be dealing those beeg hits
I discovered in regionals that tera flying is Consistently more used than poison
timber falcon
Also what does glicko in showdown mean