competitive_discussion

[solid frigate]

i haven't play Protean Greninja for so damn long,and Gunk Shot was one of the Best moves that Greninja got back in ORAS

[hushed pine]

greninja can be mixed

[grizzled bronze]

you'll need to play the sm demo to get one, or just trade for one

[solid frigate]

ITS A MIXED-

[timber falcon]

yeah its mixed

[solid frigate]

ITS JUST MORE SPECIAL GRENINJA THAN PHYSICAL OR MIXED

[tough idol]

@rustic mist someone may disagree, but I'd be inclined to use Booster on Moon, specs Flutter and something else for Miraidon

[solid frigate]

actually that could work- but if he could switch Miraidon for Koraidon then use other items

[rustic mist]

Its special attack is higher than physical

[hushed pine]

that doesnt mean anything

[timber falcon]

specs flutter in singles isnt it tbh

[hushed pine]

valiant has higher attack than special but it can be mixed

[timber falcon]

1 swap then what?

[grizzled bronze]

there're certain situations where you wanna use a different category even if that stat is lower

like iron valiant lmao, it can be mixed

[timber falcon]

yes but this doesnt mean the other isnt good enough to be used

[tough idol]

Wasn't 100% on that tbh just an option

[grizzled bronze]

what do they run over there

[timber falcon]

sash is a classic

[grizzled bronze]

i mean

[timber falcon]

assault vest aint bad, and booster too

[tough idol]

I tried to free booster for Moon as I think it would benefit more from it for the team. I might be wrong

[timber falcon]

specs is second now

suprised people actually use it that much, it backfires to easily

[grizzled bronze]

booster moon is very good in singles yeah

[timber falcon]

when i played no one used specs to my knowledge

[tough idol]

Also I forgot to mention, drop Scale Shot for another Dragon Phys move @rustic mist

[solid frigate]

Picture another Example,Sceptile,Which is also Mixed

[grizzled bronze]

they dont run dragon stab sometimes there i think

knock, acro, eq, dd

[timber falcon]

right which mfs run rocky helm flutter-

dangerous ones

[grizzled bronze]

new urshifu counter real

[solid frigate]

i tried once for trolling-

[tough idol]

Rocky Helm for bulky mins that can take hits

[timber falcon]

u a dangerous human bro 😭 cant be trusted fr

[solid frigate]

[timber falcon]

at that point use a better mon tbh

[solid frigate]

just kidding i use Life orb or Booster-

[rustic mist]

Lol just found a shiny but uh anyway, i think im gonna keep it

[solid frigate]

Claw-

Use D Claw

[timber falcon]

claw is fodder

[grizzled bronze]

tera dragon tera blast

[timber falcon]

👍

[solid frigate]

oh wait its for offensive Tera nvm-

i just use Claw for some reasons

[grizzled bronze]

no i was joking

[timber falcon]

its a joke lmao

[solid frigate]

[timber falcon]

they do the same thing#

[solid frigate]

hear me out

[timber falcon]

except one burns tera

[solid frigate]

D-Tail

[timber falcon]

no one should ever hear u out

[solid frigate]

just for trolling(I would not recommend)

ya know what

imma overhaul his team

[tough idol]

I didn't mean drop the mon, just the move lol 🙃

[rustic mist]

No ik

I just want to keep scale shot

[solid frigate]

wait do you mind if you want pokemon to be different but same style?

[rustic mist]

Sure, i dont think im gonna swap any pokemon out tho

I like this team

[grizzled bronze]

good for you 👍

[hushed pine]

😭

[rustic mist]

c:

[grizzled bronze]

we're just giving you suggestions to further optimize your team

[rustic mist]

Ik, which is why im still here to hear em

[timber falcon]

Since its against friends I guess you don’t need to try that hard

So it’ll work

Only against friends that don’t optimise full competitive viability

[rustic mist]

I fought a friend that only did competitive and i won with 2 pokemon left c:

I dont even remember how

[solid frigate]

what team he had tho

[rustic mist]

Uh sylveon, lucario, iron valient, incineroar, flutter mane, and koraidon

[solid frigate]

ok something when wrong on his team i can feel it

https://pokepast.es/9be73cd01754a788 anyways overhauled-

wait not yet

[hushed pine]

nah bro lost to draining kiss flutter 😭

[rustic mist]

Btw if you like to know, i dont have the dlcs

[solid frigate]

its actually a bit suprsing,How-

[solid frigate]

that limits the options by a long shot

[rustic mist]

Lost 3 pokemon to it LOL

[solid frigate]

Ok something went wrong to his team,How does he lose to it-

[hushed pine]

its time for him to quit mons

its over for him, hes cooked for good

[solid frigate]

and like all mons he had does not syngergise well

[hushed pine]

bro brought incin like it was vgc

[solid frigate]

If its Singles Incin is straight up not that good

His brain not braining-

[rustic mist]

He did better in doubles tho, but i still won with only annihlape left

[hushed pine]

all he needed was sd tera fire scale shot koraidon and itd have cooked the whole team

[solid frigate]

Ok he can quit playing competitive Pokemon-

yeah

that set is gonna see a lot of plays

[hushed pine]

that mon 1v6s his team

[solid frigate]

yeah, cuz none really resist Koraidon

[hushed pine]

all outsped too only flutter speed ties

[solid frigate]

Collision Course Kills Moon,Greninja and Lucario,Scale Shot Destroys Moon,Miraidon,and Flare Blitz for remaining two

[hushed pine]

get up rocks to break sash and its joever

[solid frigate]

or in my Terms,Miover-

[hushed pine]

actually bro didnt bring a single rocker or hazard removal 😭

[rustic mist]

The only pokemon that has weird evs on my team is my annilhape because i for some reason made its evs spread out evenly?

[solid frigate]

give him Rapid Spin Paradox Donphans

[solid frigate]

thats is one of the worst things i seen-

[rustic mist]

And i still won with it 😂

[solid frigate]

one sec where is my Terapagos-

[hushed pine]

worst spread of all time your friend is not a competitive player anywhere above 1100 elo

[solid frigate]

is 1200-1300 ok?

cuz thats where i land-

[rustic mist]

Idk where i would land tbh

[hushed pine]

thats low ladder still

[solid frigate]

not even 1100- like your team has hitters,but too damn frail

[rustic mist]

Damn

[hushed pine]

but you aint losing to draining kiss flutter 😭

[solid frigate]

only Miraidon is consider bbulky(Cuz legendary of course)

[rustic mist]

Oof

[hushed pine]

frail team just go full hyper offense

[solid frigate]

i mean you can try battle me for testing

[hushed pine]

me me i havent battled in like forever

[solid frigate]

lol

sure Doubles VGC?

[hushed pine]

i dont play vgc too much going on with the board state for me to handle 💀

[solid frigate]

maybe your choice on it,Doubles OU,Doubles Ubers or Singles OU

[hushed pine]

ou is the main tier i havent played in like over 6 months

[rustic mist]

Im at school sadge

[solid frigate]

ok then Doubles OU

[solid frigate]

get back-

to fluffin school

[hushed pine]

singles ou

[solid frigate]

ok

[hushed pine]

doubles is too much

[rustic mist]

Ok

[hushed pine]

gimme ur user ig

[hushed pine]

you could watch

[rustic mist]

Im doin work

[solid frigate]

MorrisPXG456

[rustic mist]

Now

[hushed pine]

testing out this team

[hushed pine]

oo

[solid frigate]

i'm gonna use Indigo disk team

[hushed pine]

oo

[solid frigate]

ok that team is impressive

[hushed pine]

it became super popular recently

[solid frigate]

i'm just using weaker ones lol

[hushed pine]

oo this one is just based around gouging fire

[solid frigate]

can see it,cuz i can see the major X factor on it

[hushed pine]

this gouging fire set actually beats dondozo 1v1

[solid frigate]

yeah i have no chance with my Team

might need to make a Singles Team

[hushed pine]

why is armarouge without indeedee

[solid frigate]

cuz its not doubles-

[hushed pine]

they still go together in singles

psyspam

[solid frigate]

probably i did not play that much singles now

[hushed pine]

oo

[solid frigate]

ggs man

[hushed pine]

ggss

[solid frigate]

i used to play Singles a lot but i shifted to VGC and Smogon Doubles

[timber falcon]

anyone up for a vgc bettle

[hushed pine]

definitely way harder to play vgc

i have vgc teams in my builder though

[solid frigate]

after my Ubers match

[timber falcon]

aight sure, @ me when u done

[solid frigate]

nvm i can

[hushed pine]

lemme watch

send link

[solid frigate]

idk when OTOT is sending

[timber falcon]

user?

[solid frigate]

MorrisPXG456

[timber falcon]

sent

wait bo3 or 1?

[solid frigate]

your choice

[timber falcon]

now sent

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regf-2070471738

[tough idol]

If ppl are on cart I can do some either Bo1 or Bo3 OTS (if you want practice)

I can't really do Showdown on Mobile it's shit lol

[solid frigate]

i used before and yes i can confirm

[tough idol]

It's playable just takes a lifetime to make a team

[timber falcon]

that team caught me off guard sheesh

[hushed pine]

lmfao real

[solid frigate]

ok thats Tera Ice Meow is a Suprise factor i will keep

[timber falcon]

cant believe i forgot about axel

[solid frigate]

the team is called end of all things fr

[timber falcon]

the suprise factor is strong with that one

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/6c11abdcb007dbfb
Here's the Team Sheet

[hushed pine]

wait

can itry vgc i have a funny meme team

[solid frigate]

oh no-

[hushed pine]

who wants to be the tester

[rustic mist]

Oh wait i remember

[tough idol]

Cart or Showdown

[solid frigate]

that Tera Ice Meow,i'll keep it lol its gonna be in the Online Comp

[hushed pine]

showdown

[timber falcon]

singles?

[hushed pine]

vgc meme team

[timber falcon]

im down

[hushed pine]

kind of it just has one niche mon

[rustic mist]

He missed Will-O-Wisp 7 times lol

[timber falcon]

id like to validate my tsarena team

user?

[grizzled bronze]

budget farigiraf xd

[hushed pine]

not tsareena 😭

amogus metus

[timber falcon]

sent hehe

enjoy the queens majesty

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regf-2070478724-se08wem1fxc39pqofictqil5g3ygl9cpw the battle

[rustic mist]

How would you guys rate my team the way it is overall? 1-10

[tough idol]

The original you linked?

[rustic mist]

Yeah

[timber falcon]

6

[hushed pine]

why did it have to be tsareena of all mons you was testing 😭

[timber falcon]

the unluck is real

[solid frigate]

Metsy my tern

[hushed pine]

just need to dodge bruxish tsareena and farig cant be that hard

against raichu??

[solid frigate]

4,maybe 5

[tough idol]

7/10 fun with friends
3/10 compet and wanting to win

[timber falcon]

valid

[rustic mist]

I was hoping for a 5 or above so yippee

[tough idol]

I'd stomp on my friends, you don't get better unless you go for a win.

[hushed pine]

i stomp on all my friends its awesome

[tough idol]

If I played some guys here I'd get stomped. That's how I learn

[timber falcon]

yeah it will work but for serious compet (which ik u dont plan on doing) itd be way lower

[rustic mist]

I sweep my friends with lucario

:3

[solid frigate]

me with Garchomp:

[timber falcon]

ghost types 🤫 🧏‍♂️

[tough idol]

You're friends need to be linked here

[rustic mist]

:?

[tough idol]

You gain nothing from stomping friends and sweeping with 1 mon.

[rustic mist]

What about em

[tough idol]

You only have Flash Cannon, rest are immune

[timber falcon]

ghost types almost completely wall lucario (ur set at least)

[rustic mist]

I do not have flash cannon tf you on about

[hushed pine]

wlooo the gimmick worked when theres no priority blocking!!!

[timber falcon]

bullet punch which is worse against ghost

[timber falcon]

usually how priority spam works

[tough idol]

That's what I meant Bullet Punch

[hushed pine]

real

[hushed pine]

also can i try a diff team i want to see if this other mon works

[solid frigate]

yeah btw Toto,My team is Bridgerton Team but amplified on offense

well and defense but more on offense cuz Meow is frail

[tough idol]

Aura Sphere, Extreme, = Immune, SD then you've only got B punch

[hushed pine]

meow funny

[solid frigate]

just Garchomp Alone can tear it down-

[timber falcon]

as someone who had never seen the team, i was shook

[solid frigate]

It's actually Portland 15th Team

[timber falcon]

so basically gholdengo fodder

[solid frigate]

but replaced Flutter Mane and Baxcalibur for Ogerpon and Meowscarada

[tough idol]

I did look and wonder where you're fire core was,.then saw the Wildcard Meow

[timber falcon]

i should really keep up to date with winning teams

[hushed pine]

toto i wanna test this other team

[timber falcon]

aight bet

ill go BM now

[solid frigate]

yeah

[timber falcon]

SHI

NOT OGER , PAO , NITE , TATSUDOZO AND GLIM

[solid frigate]

AYO WHAT

[tough idol]

Could you maybe change Waterpon to Hearth? Or lose too much SpDef

[timber falcon]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regf-2070487653-milk3vfk7qj8x8bt8bpqrp92pbl3atxpw

[hushed pine]

oh yea this is the portland 2nd place team by chuppa cross

[solid frigate]

maybe,i can think about it

[hushed pine]

i wanna see how glim works in vgc

[timber falcon]

ive so lost

[hushed pine]

dw i dont play vgc so i have no clue how to pilot

YOOO DEFIANT HUGE

[solid frigate]

the reason i choose Meow and Pon over Mane and Bax is because i don't see any option use Mane and Bax is too risky

[tough idol]

Just thinking from Coverage, as you look weak into Grass other than Meow which is frail (IIRC)

[knotty mirage]

Playing bss for extended amount of time makes me really despise alomomola

[hushed pine]

wait i thought follow me went before fake out

[timber falcon]

oh god the pain

[timber falcon]

nope

[solid frigate]

trying to think of it,might edit it but lemme see how it fairs in Online TOurnament

[hushed pine]

wtf

[knotty mirage]

It just bunch of pivot regenarator spam

[rustic mist]

Now i shall take the time to look at this

[tough idol]

I've gotta skip GC, starting a new work apprenticeship, next step is my own store (also 15k payrise)

[hushed pine]

bo3 now i know speed interactions (real)

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/3c04fd4a9a9fbcb1

if anyone wants to use my GC team, feel free. Happy to explain the leads and matchups

[rustic mist]

Btw i have violet so thats why i wont use koraidon

[solid frigate]

no wonder...

[autumn vault]

understandable have a nice day (i have both versions)

[solid frigate]

same

[hushed pine]

give me gouging fire

[rustic mist]

And before someone asks how i have flutter mane and roaring moon, i got them because i traded with someone for the pokedex and they let me keep them

[tough idol]

Noone would have asked

Koraidons a Legend

[rustic mist]

Ok?

[solid frigate]

Legendary Paradox* but ok

[timber falcon]

thats too specific

just say "leg" fr

[tough idol]

In the context its a Legend

[solid frigate]

i mean the Pokedex said its a Paradox Pokemon but also a Legend so eh lol

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/981bd3c6bac376b9 I have recently been losing a lot with this team (My rental i posted a week ago) and there must be something wrong, any issues i can adress (and possibly replacing team members)?

[tough idol]

They would use it but they've not got Scarlet

[hushed pine]

torrent your turn i wanna test a different team

[solid frigate]

sure

I'll use a different team

[autumn vault]

iirc paradoxes aren't legends except the raidons, bolt/fire and iron crown/boulder

[timber falcon]

its cause its predictible af

last gigas team i fought forfeited in 3 moves

[hushed pine]

why is

[autumn vault]

Well i do pretty good in OTS and OTS removes unpredictability (in movesets)

[tough idol]

Gotta agree tbf

[timber falcon]

thats suprising cause of how shifu murks them with tera water

[solid frigate]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regf-2070495995-813ef311y1rnt3e9311hbjaha59kinhpw

[autumn vault]

any issues i can adress with the team?

[tough idol]

Bo1 is a lottery. I run Psyspam. I could get walled or forced run the rest.

Same for you're team,.something that rinses Regi, then you've lost that, then you're playing with 5 and negating you're own ability.

[autumn vault]

Yes ik regigigas is trash af with slow start but it can do VERY good sometimes

what i do to urshifu match ups is to fish for burns, then tera fairy and see how useless it is

[tough idol]

I've seen it be better in Bo3

[autumn vault]

I do very good with it in Bo3 so you are not mistaken

Maybe it is a skill issue but idk

i feel like some members have to be replaced, so what are good pokemon that don't need their abilities to shine?

[timber falcon]

iron hands fr

[autumn vault]

Hands i think for incin

[hushed pine]

brian hands

[autumn vault]

but bolt is already on the team and it is bolt > hands

[solid frigate]

might as well change my item cuz i forgot i gave specs or scarf to Gold

[hushed pine]

give it trick scarf with nasty plot

[timber falcon]

that isnt the smart thing to do

[hushed pine]

i saw someone run it on stream at a regional

[timber falcon]

when was this

[hushed pine]

recently

[autumn vault]

Just because it was used at a regional does not mean it's good (mostly good but there are stinkers)

[hushed pine]

either last 2 regionals

[timber falcon]

trick scarf in OTS sounds pretty dumb to me

[solid frigate]

its all about Luck-

and adaptibility

[hushed pine]

or was it trick specs i forgor

[timber falcon]

means u can double the dengo safely

[hushed pine]

it was a choice item with trick plus either np or recover probably np

[timber falcon]

eruption entei

[autumn vault]

ok wtf was that moveset

[solid frigate]

thats just what-

[tough idol]

I would Tera Dragon Incin though, Grass leaves you too open to Gouging, Opp Incin.

[hushed pine]

cookin

[autumn vault]

cookin' with CO2

[solid frigate]

i give My Incineroar Tera Ghost for Fake Outs-

thats it

thats all it does

[timber falcon]

uh dont gouging also hit dragon incin hard?

[polar canyon]

So iron jugulis has both tailwind and booster energy speed dragon cheer

[tough idol]

I know you're gonna say Moogus, but less common now

[polar canyon]

What if I used a draco meteor spammer

[timber falcon]

moongus kinda falling off tbh

[solid frigate]

wait who spams that-

[hushed pine]

immune to fighting is good too

[polar canyon]

Season 1 hydreigon lol

[solid frigate]

it has lesser weakness-

[polar canyon]

But then flutter mane showed up

[tough idol]

Don't they only run Breaking Swipe? Can that 1ohko or is it 2/3 with Sitrus

[solid frigate]

thats because nasty plot but if its others then-

[solid frigate]

no

[hushed pine]

no its cus focus energy

[timber falcon]

no, but it puts the incin at a spectacular disadvantage

[solid frigate]

that to

[polar canyon]

No it was a crit build with focus energy and scope lens because crits ignore your own attack drops and it means you can spam draco

It was pretty common

[solid frigate]

i thought about a different set that i use-

i forgot focus energy exists that timie

[timber falcon]

thats some vile shit

[polar canyon]

I'll never forget that focus energy exists yet they took it away from inteleon

[autumn vault]

better for the meta ngl

[solid frigate]

Regulation A moment

[polar canyon]

Again it was vile until flutter mane started being allowed

[autumn vault]

Any changes? Also i agree with the comment above

[solid frigate]

?

[polar canyon]

Give the incineroar a figy berry instead

Because it looks nicer

[solid frigate]

or just Sitrus-

[autumn vault]

Iapapa berry is the same and i love weirdly shaped berries for some reason

[solid frigate]

lol

[autumn vault]

i mean like, actual beneficial changes

[polar canyon]

You can also consider ability shield incineroar

Because that way you can still use intimidate alongside weezing

That's like the only use case for ability shield

[autumn vault]

but i lose recovery

[solid frigate]

also when restricted VGC Format is Up i might as well just use build a new Terapagos Team-

[polar canyon]

It's a real thing people do

[solid frigate]

which i said before

[polar canyon]

I didn't even think about that

Terapagos is immune to astral barrage

[autumn vault]

I have been told before to use A-Shield, recovery is more important, i would use A-Shield on offensive intimidators but not supportive ones

[solid frigate]

i am still thinking cuz i absolutely dominated one

[polar canyon]

Terapagos is weak to collision course

[autumn vault]

so?

[polar canyon]

All it takes is one fake out to break tera shell

[solid frigate]

thats why i partnered with Incineroar

[polar canyon]

And it can't tera ghost

Koraidon is 100% gonna be popular

[solid frigate]

yeah ik

but i want to be unique

which is not gonna happen n VGC but whatever

[polar canyon]

Use kyurem white

[timber falcon]

Moraidon >

[polar canyon]

I think that's an unique one

[tough idol]

Miraidon will be the Scourge, there are already good Sum setters

[solid frigate]

Ah yes Moaidon

[polar canyon]

Would you rather use torkoal than koraidon

[autumn vault]

I will use Caly shadow and Zekrom in restricted format, respect for my dragon boi

[polar canyon]

Groudon is falling off too

[willow vault]

I like Zekrom

[tough idol]

I've got 6 Koraidon in HOME, and 3 Mira (my mains Vio)

[polar canyon]

Hi

[solid frigate]

Second Legendary its either Reshiram or Kyogre

[willow vault]

Hi

[timber falcon]

Can’t wait for the power creep 😍

[willow vault]

I’m probably gonna use Groudon, I just like it

[polar canyon]

Groudon is now outclassed as a sun setter

[autumn vault]

I seriously can't wait for flutter to finally dropping in usage, if it happens then i am the happiest guy in the world

[polar canyon]

Not like it has a primal form anymore

[timber falcon]

I got some nasty eruption plans with that guy

[solid frigate]

lel

[willow vault]

Nice

[polar canyon]

So scarf tera fire eruption groudon?

[solid frigate]

Me with my Kyogre with Assualt Vest for some reason:

[timber falcon]

H-ligant 👌

[polar canyon]

It's like scarf kyogre but much worse I like it

[solid frigate]

Fucking Dead

[timber falcon]

That right I’m doing after you eruption

[polar canyon]

Wouldn't torkoal unitonically hit harder because it has natural stab and can tera fire on top of it

[solid frigate]

i hope not that much trick roomers in Restricted-

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 383: Groudon

Type

Ground

Abilities

Drought

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/140/100/90/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Groudon-Primal

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[polar canyon]

Torkoal is literally gonna hit harder

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/5a27d7a6b6368c38 How is this team looking? I removed incin for Lando-T and put Ability Shield on it, looking good

[willow vault]

Um, I’m potentially using Groudon in tr

[timber falcon]

Unless I, yk, tera

[polar canyon]

90 speed

[autumn vault]

tera fire usual type being fire, true

[willow vault]

Yep

[solid frigate]

Who would Win

A Legendary Earth Formation Titan in Hoenn
Or
A Smol Turtle in Hoenn

[willow vault]

Most restricteds are faster

[timber falcon]

Calyrex ice lmao

[autumn vault]

Both in Hoenn

[polar canyon]

For using eruption? Torkoal

[willow vault]

I said most

[tough idol]

Scarf Lando T

[solid frigate]

yep

[autumn vault]

Ability Shield then? I can actually lower defiant pokemon's attack without it's ability activating

[timber falcon]

Precipis blade

If it was max def and dragon tera it might cause him a little trouble

[tough idol]

Ability shield is playing into a minority.

[timber falcon]

But nah, he’d win

[solid frigate]

sadly no 3 Restricted Pokemon otherwise i wanna run Dusk Mane Necrozma-

[autumn vault]

I need unpredictability on a very predictable team archetype, works : P

[timber falcon]

You wouldn’t

[solid frigate]

ik

[timber falcon]

What a min

You can do that

It’s allowed

[solid frigate]

Ik thats why i am sad cuz Terapagos and Kyogre are my main choices

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-5099501693730168061

[tough idol]

How often you gonna benefit from Ab Sh, Weez etc aren't meta

[solid frigate]

[autumn vault]

times where i lead Lando-T and weezing, in a physical meta it can be really useful

however i think scarf is better, a shield can help a lot more with those type of matchups

[timber falcon]

Wait until u mean why lando-T died out

[tough idol]

I also forgot you're team os Weezing lol

I run Lando I now

[timber falcon]

Lando I much better rn

In a physical bulk meta he clears

[autumn vault]

lando-I does not seem that great for the team as sheer force carries lando-I, Therian's intimidate can be very useful with bolt so it is decent

[timber falcon]

Great coverage

[polar canyon]

Ok
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Fire Groudon Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Calyrex-Ice in Sun: 162-192 (78.2 - 92.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Fire Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Calyrex-Ice in Sun: 192-228 (92.7 - 110.1%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

[tough idol]

Lando I with LO Sheer cleans a lot up

[timber falcon]

Tera fire though

[autumn vault]

ik that

[polar canyon]

Both are tera fire

[solid frigate]

damn

[timber falcon]

Then how tf torkoal do more

[solid frigate]

Torkal does more damage

[autumn vault]

its just that it relies on sheer force a lot and on weezing teams it just would be bad for it (with l-orb, other items are decent)

[timber falcon]

Sense making it is not

[polar canyon]

It's naturally fire with tera fire on top

That's how it works

[timber falcon]

Oh it gets and EXTRA BOOST?

[polar canyon]

Ever wonder why people use tera fire torkoal?

[timber falcon]

AM I SLOW????

[solid frigate]

STAB Tera Fire

[tough idol]

Play to switch Weez out

[polar canyon]

Did you just think people did it to flex or something

[timber falcon]

Lmao why do I find these key stuff

Late

[autumn vault]

Wait, i do that a lot with it already

without intimidate, bolt's set up will be harder as wellspring would be the one to help it more when intimidate or Fake out would help a lot, (both if it's incin)

[timber falcon]

I didn’t know boost differentiates, so does tera only do 1.5?

[polar canyon]

I think they tell you of tera boosts in the tutorial

[polar canyon]

Pretty sure it turns the stab boost into 2x

[timber falcon]

I have no time for exposition

[polar canyon]

I may be incorrect

[solid frigate]

whats gonna be my final 2 mons for my Restricted Team-

https://pokepast.es/7e98c6802236fe25 currently

[timber falcon]

Light screen

[tough idol]

Then go Lando I, more damage. Intim isn't you're end goal, if you can remove before they can.

[autumn vault]

true

[timber falcon]

Just run fake tears

[solid frigate]

i'm too paranoid on Calyrex-

[polar canyon]

Fake tears is spdef drop on opponent

Not spatk

[solid frigate]

ik

[autumn vault]

grimmsnarl with fake tears can help caly-shadow sweep better

[polar canyon]

Yeah

[autumn vault]

also helps kyogre sweep better

[solid frigate]

thats the point,my restricted Mons are Kyogre and Terapagos

[autumn vault]

read this then

[solid frigate]

yea i did

[polar canyon]

Grimmsnarl has fake tears?

[solid frigate]

yeah-

[autumn vault]

screens help sweepers a ton

[timber falcon]

Wouldn’t it still be more useful

Since u got scarf kyogre

[polar canyon]

It also has parting shot so it's not a bad fit on top of incineroar

Prankster parting shot

[solid frigate]

one more question.

WHAT IS GONNA BE MY LAST 2 MONS

[timber falcon]

Smeargle

[polar canyon]

Don't

[solid frigate]

no not him-

[autumn vault]

chad

[polar canyon]

As much as I like the design and vibe of smeargle don't do that

[autumn vault]

Smeargle has commited like 5 war crimes in comp

[polar canyon]

Ironically smeargle is pretty predictable because it always uses the same exact moves

[solid frigate]

i feel like Smeargle's Existance is to troll people in Comp

[polar canyon]

It's follow me spore fake out and a free slot

[autumn vault]

spiky shield usually

[solid frigate]

ok fr which 2 mons should i bring along with the main 4

[polar canyon]

No smeargle ever runs something different

I tried topsy turvy smeargle

It rarely comes in useful but when it does it's pretty funny

-2 atk -1 spdef ogerpon wellspring

[autumn vault]

What matchups do you struggle on?

[polar canyon]

Miraidon

[tough idol]

They ain't gonna go 2 Restricted with the new intake -

Koraidon
Miraidon
Terapagos

[solid frigate]

oh yeah that-

[tough idol]

Plus the oldies

[solid frigate]

technically Terapagos kinda does not synergise well with Them cuz Terapagos is gonna ruin their abilities unless switch out

[hushed pine]

toto do you play ou?

[polar canyon]

Zacian probably isn't the biggest threat vs kyogre and terapagos

[autumn vault]

What matchups are bad for that team?

[polar canyon]

Especially after the nerf

[timber falcon]

Yes

[solid frigate]

Miraidon and some heavy physical attackers,but i have Incineroar to nerf them

[timber falcon]

Smeargle on top

[polar canyon]

You know what didn't get nerfed?

[autumn vault]

Ngl ground seems decent

[polar canyon]

Calyrex

[solid frigate]

idk why the fuck did they not nerf this mf-

[hushed pine]

toto wanna try an ou match i wanna try this team

[polar canyon]

Just pointing it out but it won't do much to terapagos I think

[timber falcon]

As if they’d nerf him, game freak likes their unbalanced meta games

[polar canyon]

Unless it's tera fighting calyrex

[solid frigate]

Ground type that is actually good-

[solid frigate]

with Aura Sphere-

[polar canyon]

Game freak needs people to buy swsh + dlc

[solid frigate]

or Tera Blast

[polar canyon]

Or else calyrex would be obtainable in sv

[tough idol]

People will gravitate to Ground because Miraidon will be a viable E Terrain setter

[autumn vault]

ngl lando-i is good for the team (atleast what my brain says)

[timber falcon]

Compet Pokémon being pay to win is outrageous

[autumn vault]

then why play it?

[polar canyon]

Been like that for a while

[timber falcon]

Cause u pay to win

If I’m being completely honest

[polar canyon]

In gen 8 while you could get calyrex and the horses from trading without dlc, you could not get the fusion item

And you can't trade fused pokemon

[hushed pine]

do you wanna try an ou match rq or nah

[solid frigate]

yeah Lando Incarnate feels like the only way,problem no 1. I DON'T HAVE HIM

[timber falcon]

I just got bored of replying the game lmao so decided to try competi

[timber falcon]

Don’t have an ou team

[polar canyon]

Oh yeah lando is not in the game either lol

[hushed pine]

oo thats fine then

[polar canyon]

Good luck better buy legends arceus or swsh + dlc

[tough idol]

? Do you have any Lando?

[autumn vault]

I can trade you Lando-I (if you want to trade then lets take it to #1112832566261731328 because i don't want to break rules)

[timber falcon]

I buy Pokemon to enjoy the game, compet is a side quest

[hushed pine]

torrent you have an ou team?

[solid frigate]

not even in Pokemon Go.

[polar canyon]

You can't catch it in sv so you either need a good soul to trade or buy another game

[solid frigate]

Singles or Doubles

[timber falcon]

Legends arceus

[hushed pine]

singles

[polar canyon]

Yep that is in fact another game

[autumn vault]

swsh's dlc

[polar canyon]

That's correct

[timber falcon]

Y’all better have bought the goat of Nintendo switch pkmon games

[tough idol]

I know this lol, I just have PoGo spares as someone else mentioned

[autumn vault]

i did

[hushed pine]

me when i buy a game that cant play competitive to play competitive in another game

[timber falcon]

Classic giratina W

[autumn vault]

I can trade you lando I

[polar canyon]

I wonder if legends zaza will have online battles

Pvp with the legends battle system sounds fun

[timber falcon]

Megas go brrr

[hushed pine]

problem is legends battle system isnt

its not like both players pick the move at the same time its one person takes turns

like chess

[polar canyon]

Yeah that doesn't sound too bad

[timber falcon]

Still depends on speed

[polar canyon]

People play chess online

[hushed pine]

its just i send my revenge killer to revenge kill your revenge killer

[tough idol]

Best guess Jan/Feb Legends. October Gen 10 so they don't have a 4th SV Worlds

[knotty mirage]

Yeah i'm not sure if legend battle system gonna work for comp

[polar canyon]

Switching is still a thing and it's fun that if you send a fast enough pokemon you might still get a move

[timber falcon]

Yeah it’s not gonna

[hushed pine]

would be boring without the prediction aspect ngl

[polar canyon]

I also like all stat boosts being temporary

[timber falcon]

Non mainline remakes aren’t given a vgc right?

[polar canyon]

Actually the best thing about legends is the sleep and freeze rework

[knotty mirage]

I mean some of the status could be good improvement like frostbite but the whole system yeah no

[hushed pine]

just add that into regular game

[polar canyon]

They should

[timber falcon]

They also had to make it so girantina got an evasion boost

Off a 100 bp move

[polar canyon]

Singles would be chaos if they added a frostbite will o wisp

[timber falcon]

Wonderful

[hushed pine]

goodras signature move got shafted

[solid frigate]

mzaybe later

[timber falcon]

Yeah it had to, imagine that thing in sv

[hushed pine]

at least make it +3 def

[solid frigate]

also Metsu i need to eat dinner

[timber falcon]

Also unbalanced

[hushed pine]

oo okie next time then cus i gottqa go soon

[polar canyon]

I'll rather not have an evasion + def move on the body press pseudo legend

[solid frigate]

ok see ya

[hushed pine]

tail glow exists

and cotton guard

[polar canyon]

Tail glow was on 3 pokemon and now 2

[timber falcon]

Yeah cause there’s a vgc mon that’s viable and gets that

[tough idol]

Read into it. Legends has Megas. But no Comp

Gen 10. Megas with a twist.

[hushed pine]

gooda hisui is so bad either way bro wishes he was archaludon

[polar canyon]

And the original tail glow pokemon is trash so it's not even balanced, but not for the opponent

It's bad for volbeat

[timber falcon]

I would prefer they make new gimmicks instead of falling into a the trap of fanservice

[hushed pine]

it made xurkitree viable at least

too bad manaphy isnt vgc legal

[timber falcon]

just give it scarf

[polar canyon]

Like the only difference between volbeat and illumise is the attack and spatk difference, and they gave tail glow to the one with 40 spatk

It's crazy

[timber falcon]

lmfao

[grizzled bronze]

this tbh, megas is cool design wise but it's just alot of fan service

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 313: Volbeat

Type

Bug

Abilities

Illuminate, Swarm, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/73/75/47/85/85

Total

430

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[tough idol]

We all would. But there'll always be the 'but it's not this,' crowd

Development teams can't win

[polar canyon]

At least it has baton pass so tail glow isn't entirely useless

[hushed pine]

gimmick at best

[polar canyon]

At least not 0 utility

[timber falcon]

i mean they decided to make the sun and moon dex explain how mega was effectively mutilating pokemon

[hushed pine]

oh yea prankster too pretty sure that got results

[timber falcon]

womp womp tbh

[polar canyon]

It gets more results from prankster tailwind and struggle bug

But people still use illumise because her struggle bug hits harder

[hushed pine]

does illumise get prankster

[timber falcon]

literally just go whimsicott it better

[polar canyon]

Also volbeat looks bald

[polar canyon]

Yes

Volbeat is a walking L

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 314: Illumise

Type

Bug

Abilities

Oblivious, Tinted Lens, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/47/75/73/85/85

Total

430

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/volbeat.gif

[timber falcon]

illuminise not lookin that bad

[polar canyon]

He looks like a pathetic little old man

[tough idol]

So bringing megas back to me is a guarantee of no paradox. Ultra Beast return lol 😆

[hushed pine]

illumise looks cute at least

[polar canyon]

He also reminds me of danny devito a bit

[timber falcon]

loves those goofy designs

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/buzzwole.gif

[hushed pine]

hopefully ubs return and tapus next gen

[balmy tendon]

https://pokepast.es/c6eb6b484c8a6849 my current vgc team, idk if its good or not but it works decently well

[craggy dagger]

wh?

[timber falcon]

geomancy

[hushed pine]

no more dynamax to keep xern in check

[craggy dagger]

polteageist :0

[polar canyon]

Oh yeah xerneas is basically confirmed to be in gen 10 because of za

I like pronouncing it as za instead of z - a

Just pokemon za

[timber falcon]

the game is gonna be lit

[hushed pine]

xern gets a new forme prob

[polar canyon]

Maybe a mega

Nah probably not

[balmy tendon]

yea, its not as bad as i thought it would be

[craggy dagger]

aura forms :0

[hushed pine]

actually mega urshifu

[polar canyon]

Xerneas tree form

[timber falcon]

bush form Xerneas and Egg form yveltal

[hushed pine]

maybe :3

[craggy dagger]

we already got that-

[polar canyon]

If it loses unseen fist I'm fine with that honestly

[craggy dagger]

it’s xerneas out of battle

[polar canyon]

Not in battle thoooo

[timber falcon]

imagine a tree sweeping ur team

[hushed pine]

no and then it gains as one (unseen fist + pure power)

[craggy dagger]

wtf

ewwww

[hushed pine]

trevenant can sweep maybe

[timber falcon]

in what regard

[polar canyon]

When I think tree sweeping your team I think of the final boss from Kirby return to dream land deluxe

[hushed pine]

under trick room idk

[polar canyon]

You know the tree guy right

[hushed pine]

i dont use trevenant

[timber falcon]

prolly the first person to ever ever say this

[hushed pine]

spam custap berry under sun with harvest

[polar canyon]

The showdown random battle trevenant

[timber falcon]

incin 🧏‍♂️ 🤫

[craggy dagger]

cutsap harvest with torkoal

[hushed pine]

actually randbats tropius sweeps

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 709: Trevenant

Types

Ghost/Grass

Abilities

Natural Cure, Frisk, Harvest (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/110/76/65/82/56

Total

474

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[hushed pine]

just have a partner that beats incin ez

[timber falcon]

look at the fodder

[craggy dagger]

nvm it’s SpA is garbage

[polar canyon]

Mega trevenant leak from za

[hushed pine]

make it yggdrasil

[timber falcon]

palworld looking mon

[polar canyon]

Kirby boss

[hushed pine]

anyways they arent gonna give new forms to gen 6 mons mostly other than legends

pla didnt give any gen4 mons new forms other than dialga and palkia

[polar canyon]

We're gonna get 10 more gen 1 megas

[timber falcon]

what would region be called?

[hushed pine]

real

[polar canyon]

Cant wait for mega starmie

[timber falcon]

mega charizard z gonna go hard

[polar canyon]

The starters are so getting megas

Place your bets on who the starters are

[hushed pine]

mega ash greninja will be real

[timber falcon]

mega greninja?

[polar canyon]

No not the kalos starters

[timber falcon]

isnt battle bond basically mega-

[polar canyon]

The 3 starters from different regions

[hushed pine]

you mega after you battle bond

[polar canyon]

Battle bond form is already gone

I don't think it's coming back

I hope it doesn't

[timber falcon]

umm actually battle bond uses mega energy to occur 🤓

[hushed pine]

why not it never got to be legal in vgc

[polar canyon]

It was lame that only greninja got a special form and it's my least favorite from gen 6

[hushed pine]

what if mega squared

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/fan-average-yelling-british-argument-gif-20849454

greninja best gen 6 starter

[grizzled bronze]

what if mega incineroar

[hushed pine]

i mean the competition is not difficult to beat

[timber falcon]

better than Lnut and stick fox

[hushed pine]

no hate to delphox though but chesnaught is ugly asf

[polar canyon]

Greninja fans are stuck in the edgy 13 year old phase

It's like charizard fans squared

[timber falcon]

we gotta pray they stay there

[nocturne holly]

no

[timber falcon]

no

[grizzled bronze]

new incin form

[nocturne holly]

greninja was fair

[grizzled bronze]

kalosian form or something

[timber falcon]

greninja looks cool though

[nocturne holly]

everyone liked it
It only makes sense to give it a new form

[hushed pine]

if maga incin loses intimidate and doesnt get to hold an item then worse than regular incin

[nocturne holly]

charizard is a different story

[timber falcon]

preach

[polar canyon]

It still has intimidate before mega evolving

Would have bc I don't think it's getting a mega

[hushed pine]

no item is tough though

[polar canyon]

Also remember no abilities in legends games

[knotty mirage]

I mean compared to charizard

[timber falcon]

not if u mega i doubt youd worry

[nocturne holly]

a lot of kids still like it
You only start to see the “overatedness” once you get older

[hushed pine]

if its megaing it loses half its utility

without intimidate

[nocturne holly]

Is legends z in the future

[hushed pine]

no

[polar canyon]

Garchomp without its speed

[timber falcon]

nop

[nocturne holly]

past?

[timber falcon]

yep

[nocturne holly]

mid

[timber falcon]

might get our hands on eteranl floette though

[polar canyon]

Yeah the trailer is misleading but it's about lumiose being built

[knotty mirage]

It's prolly when lumiose city is on the development

[hushed pine]

paris urban project or something

[polar canyon]

Eternal florges when

[knotty mirage]

So i'm guessing no war of kalos

[hushed pine]

for sure coming soon

war is too far back

[polar canyon]

Maybe during the war

[timber falcon]

kalos lore by far my fav

[nocturne holly]

Better have the war of 1812

Fr

[polar canyon]

It's probably after the war since megas are confirmed and the mega stones come from the super weapon nuke explosion

[hushed pine]

3000 years is too long ago no pokeballs even existed

[craggy dagger]

yup

you missed an entire convo yesterday in gen chat

[hushed pine]

pokeballs invented in hisui should take place right after

[timber falcon]

nuuu but i wanna see more of az

[polar canyon]

He might be there

[timber falcon]

they better expand that juicy lore

[hushed pine]

thats a given

[polar canyon]

Since like he's still alive until present day

[knotty mirage]

Flash back

[timber falcon]

wha-

[hushed pine]

hes for sure showing up

[polar canyon]

Did you forget that we meet az in xy

[timber falcon]

i thought hed for sure be ded

[polar canyon]

And he's like 10 ft tall

[timber falcon]

by now

[hushed pine]

hes immortal

[timber falcon]

is that explained?

[hushed pine]

yea its the ultimate weapon

[polar canyon]

Probably effects of the weapon

[timber falcon]

i think im regressing in knowledge of pokemon

[hushed pine]

lysandre tries to give everyone immortality in x

[polar canyon]

He repurposed the weapon to bring his floette back to life and immortal

Then it abandoned him because he caused genocide

I think that's understandable

[timber falcon]

oh im focusing on anime lol

[polar canyon]

I'd abandon my dad if he was a genocidal maniac

[tough idol]

Just my opinion, Legends comes out Jan/Feb similar system to PLA. Gen 10 comes out Oct 25. Its either that or Legends is a new play style. Or you get a 4th SV Worlds.

[hushed pine]

erm actually he ended the war by alot of killing

[timber falcon]

god the nuke japan mindset

[hushed pine]

real

[solid frigate]

ah yes insert Free Bird song

[polar canyon]

I think everyone would be pretty happy if they take extra time with development

They won't tho

[timber falcon]

they have to, the pla graphics were unforgivable

DID U SEE THE BOOKS?

[polar canyon]

Actually no

But I believe you

[timber falcon]

they were literally blurs

[craggy dagger]

okay but the art style was cute

[timber falcon]

undertandable

[polar canyon]

I like that the game had voice acting

[timber falcon]

wait who talks

[polar canyon]

I don't like that the only voice acting it had was for grunts when you roll or get hurt

[hushed pine]

the flute was an untextured cylinder

[timber falcon]

Oh

[tough idol]

Gen 10 has to be Oct/Nov 25 or you're forced into another SV Worlds. Unless ZA has Comp

[timber falcon]

Fr the small details sucked

[hushed pine]

lets go actually best looking switch games real???

[polar canyon]

I like that one gyarados that you could see flying very far away

[craggy dagger]

we would need 2 more years so wouldn’t it be 28?

[timber falcon]

That was so cool

[polar canyon]

Imo swsh graphics weren't all that bad most of the time, it was the effects and animations that sucked

[hushed pine]

in its 2 fps glory

[craggy dagger]

cause it’s mainline every 4 years right

[timber falcon]

Tree…….

[craggy dagger]

or is it 2

[polar canyon]

The tree is an exception

[solid frigate]

wait what set do i use on Lando I

[hushed pine]

no its just the wild area that looked horrible

[polar canyon]

Tera blast flying

[hushed pine]

sheer force life orb sludge bomb earth power

protect too

[polar canyon]

Oh incarnate

Yeah sludge bomb earth power protect sub

[timber falcon]

Earth power, sludge , sandsear, prot is standard I think

[polar canyon]

Tera poison

Sandsear or substitute

[timber falcon]

Yeah

[polar canyon]

Sandsear in rain works

[hushed pine]

cant burn unfort

[timber falcon]

I only run sandsear if I have torn in the team

[solid frigate]

ok

[polar canyon]

I think that's not bad when you have a spread 100 bp sheer force life orb boosted move

[hushed pine]

true in rain

[polar canyon]

It's still weird that sandsear gets boosted accuracy from rain and not from sandstorm

[solid frigate]

i have Kyogre so yea

[craggy dagger]

it’s between sub, sandsear, sludge, protect
or
earth, sandsear, sludge, protect

both running max max and tera poison

[timber falcon]

Yeah 100% should’ve been sandstorm

[grizzled bronze]

we should question why springtide didn't get the rain boost treatment

[polar canyon]

I thought earth power sludge sub protect was a good option

[hushed pine]

they hate enam for sure

[timber falcon]

Also why did I just realise ur name is campfire cause ur pfp is a campfire? Its so simplistic im holding in my laugh

[craggy dagger]

cause a base 100 spread fairy move would break the game

[grizzled bronze]

fair

[polar canyon]

Springtide should have been boosted in tailwind

[craggy dagger]

HUH

[tough idol]

Miraidon gonna counter the Kyogre teams

[craggy dagger]

that would break the game 100000%

[timber falcon]

Or if opposite gender or smth?

[polar canyon]

I think it would make sense technically

[craggy dagger]

boosted tailwind springtide and people run a tailwind setter next to it anyways

[polar canyon]

Would be broken in battle tho

[hushed pine]

then female pokemon are optimal

[timber falcon]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/778b4220e8fd77cd
Current team

[grizzled bronze]

how about genderless, no boost?

[timber falcon]

Pretty much

Seems balanced 2 me

[craggy dagger]

prankster tw-
then you have-
a base 100 spread FAIRY move-
does that make sense-
that would shred through everything

[polar canyon]

Female pokemon kinda are optimal for attract and cute charm because a lot of legendaries are always male or usually male

[solid frigate]

thats why Lando exists on my team

[grizzled bronze]

too bad nobody uses them lol

[hushed pine]

counterpoint enamorus sucks use fluttermane instead

[craggy dagger]

a lot of legends don’t have genders-

[polar canyon]

I'm just saying the move that controls the wind would make sense in a windy environment

[solid frigate]

somehow heatran have gender

and Terapagos

[craggy dagger]

tera fairy, specs, base 100-

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 905: Enamorus

Types

Fairy/Flying

Abilities

Cute Charm, Contrary (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

74/115/70/135/80/106

Total

580

Other Formes

Enamorus-Therian

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[polar canyon]

But a lot of the ones that do are guaranteed or higher odds to be male

[craggy dagger]

on top of a base 135 spa

[polar canyon]

Like urshifu and 3 of the 4 genies

[tough idol]

Then Wellspring spanks Lando

[hushed pine]

would be funny and make enam viable finally (no longer outclassed by flutter)

[craggy dagger]

urshifu can be a she now

[timber falcon]

Yep yep

[polar canyon]

I thought it was a 12% chance tho

[craggy dagger]

it’s still a she

[solid frigate]

i'm still thinking cuz Kyogre and Lando does have ok syngergy,not too great but just ok

[polar canyon]

So you're still more likely to see a male one

[solid frigate]

Mine is a she lol

[polar canyon]

Same

[timber falcon]

Lucky mfs

[solid frigate]

i think its SV ones

[timber falcon]

Mine was male

[solid frigate]

oh

[hushed pine]

no i have an urshifu from swsh thats female

[craggy dagger]

what-

[polar canyon]

Yeah I was about to say I think it can be female there

[hushed pine]

yea

[craggy dagger]

i thought female shifu was introduced in sv

[solid frigate]

ok why the hell my team currently looks like a Gen 7 team-

[polar canyon]

It's just always been 12.5% chance

[timber falcon]

Yeah it always could be female

[hushed pine]

nope its possible there

[polar canyon]

Like starters and eevee

[grizzled bronze]

no you can get female kubfu in swsh

[autumn vault]

its a 12.5% chance to be female so you are lucky

[grizzled bronze]

starter odds yeah

[craggy dagger]

owh

well…
it looks like i’m gonna

reset a whole bunch for a female water and evil bear

[grizzled bronze]

good luck

[hushed pine]

now i cant be attracted when surging strikes into cute charm enamorus!!! (interaction that will never happen)

[polar canyon]

It's probably easier in sv because you won't have the long cutscene before getting it

[real prairie]

800+ new messages since 6pm GMT lool you lot all drink a red bull at the same time or?

[craggy dagger]

i have both

[timber falcon]

Only 8 for me

[craggy dagger]

:>

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/2f171610d9cf1426 oh yeah i added raging bolt for some reason

[timber falcon]

It’s cause he’s a very nice wall

[grizzled bronze]

wasting evs

[hushed pine]

raging bolt is a little guy

[polar canyon]

Yo kyogre landorus might be a real thing that's common

[timber falcon]

Against what though

[solid frigate]

i gave him snarl and Draco Meteor while give the Usual Thunderclap and Flash and Thunder bolt

[timber falcon]

Thunderclap and flash

[hushed pine]

flash raging bolt

[polar canyon]

Idk zacian or miraidon

[solid frigate]

i mean i literally saw the move and i was like:What are you Zenitsu?

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/ff35407a97ab13bf I have been experimenting (without testing) and did some changes to my gigas weezing team

[timber falcon]

Yeah that’s actually a rly nice combo

[autumn vault]

Too broken, i love it

[solid frigate]

Terapagos and Kyogre Completely walls Calyrex-

[timber falcon]

No

[polar canyon]

Ogerpon wellspring is gonna love the restricted meta

[timber falcon]

Not complete wall

[polar canyon]

Apart from miraidon

[autumn vault]

But can wall

[hushed pine]

terapagos needs to tera to be good is it worth using

[craggy dagger]

you wanna know something-
psyspam players are gonna go crazy

[polar canyon]

Terapagos basically has dynamax

[solid frigate]

but damn the reason i want to use AV Kyogre cuz if somebody has Koraidon or Groudon who sets up sun Kyogre is slower so its gonna set up later

[craggy dagger]

shadow psyspam with indeedee follow me

[polar canyon]

Tera doubles hp and boosts power for the main move

[timber falcon]

Yeah calyrex shadow ensures it

[autumn vault]

I am actually planning to do that

[hushed pine]

expanding force calys

[grizzled bronze]

incin stocks 📈

[autumn vault]

with chi-yu and caylerx shadow will be a monster

[timber falcon]

Assault vest too

[polar canyon]

Terapagos tera form is a spiritual successor to dynamax

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[autumn vault]

you mean mega evo right?

[hushed pine]

actually tera blast fighting caly s

[polar canyon]

Its hp doubles, and its signature move goes up to 120 in power

[grizzled bronze]

i dont think it even ohkos but im not sure

[craggy dagger]

my respect for you has dropped to the floor- /j

[solid frigate]

technically Ultra Necrozma's Neruoforce and Regular Rayquaza's Ability

[hushed pine]

for sure doesnt its incin without prior chip or setup

[tough idol]

And I reckon Rider combos won't be legal

[dapper crag]

Ability: Neuroforce

This Pokemon's attacks that are super effective against the target have their damage multiplied by 1.25.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[craggy dagger]

i-
don’t wanna play shadow spam…
i’m thinking mimikyu ice rider though

[craggy dagger]

PLEASE THAT WOULD BE A DREAM COME TRUE

[autumn vault]

i wan't to play shadow psyspam

[timber falcon]

Ur no better than them

[solid frigate]

but more buff cuz stellar tera moment

[polar canyon]

Yo

[craggy dagger]

hm?
ice mimikyu was a thing from swsh that i liked

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Ice

Types

Psychic/Ice

Abilities

As One (Glastrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/165/150/85/130/50

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Move: Glacial Lance

No additional effect.

Type

Ice

Category

Physical

Power

130

Max Power

140

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[timber falcon]

Broken asl though 😭

[dapper crag]

Move: Glacial Lance

No additional effect.

Type

Ice

Category

Physical

Power

120

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[craggy dagger]

only problem is intimidate ig

[autumn vault]

Glacial lance was nerfed

[timber falcon]

By how much

[polar canyon]

130 bp 100 accuracy spread move no drawbacks on the 165 attack pokemon :)

[hushed pine]

wow its now only 120 base power!!! balanced !!!

[autumn vault]

by 10 bp

[grizzled bronze]

252+ SpA Tera-Fighting Calyrex-Shadow Rider Tera Blast vs. 236 HP / 124+ SpD Incineroar: 156-186 (78 - 93%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

lols

[polar canyon]

It's actually the same as astral barrage now

[craggy dagger]

clear amu i guess?
but i was thinking the good old weakness policy shadow sneak mimikyu