And also that’s so hard to get hands on
#competitive_discussion
craggy dagger
yeah
molten oasis
Found out my shiny goltres was hacked, that hurt lol
craggy dagger
A **legit** shiny gapdos
pogo shiny celebi should be able to obtain a gapdos with wc
molten oasis
Yea, I’m not hunting pogo shinies
craggy dagger
it’s just sitting in my home box anyways xD
no i’m saying i can use my trade chip for you-
craggy dagger
oki
molten oasis
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
Who said those 3 were good ideas
mighty stump
Lmaooo
No matter what
The impact of M-Ray was so significant it created an entirely new tier of format
And nothign else has really done that
molten oasis
I watched the 2016 finals, and all I could think of was “who said ‘let’s make sun prevent water and rain prevent fire’ genius”
craggy dagger
caly shadow almost did-
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
craggy dagger
IT REMOVES FLYING TYPE WEAKNESSES-
molten oasis
Oh and then, can’t forget the weather that stops weather AND stops flying weaknesses
mighty stump
FRRRRRRR
molten oasis
Megas were an era like wtf
Like that’s gross
Zac and caly were bad but like, cmon who said those 3 were okay
molten oasis
Like, man I love a weather that stops water/fire moves
mighty stump
Ogerpons suffering
molten oasis
oh kyogre didn’t get a boost in def
molten oasis
Kyogre when Ogerpon-Wellspring
And miraidon
Like, ogerpon and miraidon ruining kyogre’s life
bold geode
Ok rn it's looking like I'm getting more UK views than US on the blog lmao
molten oasis
Wellspring never going away I swear
bold geode
14 views so far
Half of em are UK
molten oasis
It’s too good
molten oasis
Evil
molten oasis
Genius, but evil
bold geode
I'm appealing to the British Tofu
Bo ol wa er and all that
molten oasis
Some pro/big naem used it
Seems your ideas get taken by pros quite often lol
craggy dagger
I'm appealing to the British Tofu
Bo ol wa er and all that
are you not secretly british-
molten oasis
The dragapult thing in reg c was also cool
mighty stump
😎
bold geode
are you not secretly british-
molten oasis
although reg c was, not great
craggy dagger
14 views so far
Half of em are UK
let me add 1 view from canada 
mighty stump
are you not secretly british-
https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofutable8 oh just in case
molten oasis
Fissure ting Lu 
bold geode
https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofutable8 oh just in case
Promotion outside of #self_promotion ? Reported
mighty stump
yoo we're nearly at 100 views on this blog post too
bold geode
Pog
molten oasis
Promotion outside of <#669470595351707670> ? Reported
Okay and, what are you gonna do about it
mighty stump
I cast counterspell
molten oasis
Well, uh, i should prob find a tournament to play in with the gapdos team
Cuz, I do feel like it could perform at least decent in one
And again I feel like I lose to my plays not the team (that or I’m coping)
Oh Tommy tuesdays
bold geode
I'm gonna use it in Beanie Brawl Thursday
molten oasis
Yea I’ll do that
bold geode
You know what else is crazy
mighty stump
No
bold geode
Not me
But I was crazy once
mighty stump
It does
craggy dagger
it’s raichu not pika
mighty stump
No Pikachu does get FO
molten oasis
That’s cute asf
molten oasis
Make a Pikachu team
Why
craggy dagger
it didn’t let me before-
was it cause i chose cap pika?
mighty stump
Yes
252 SpA Light Ball Tera-Water Pikachu Surf vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Landorus: 152-182 (92.6 - 110.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
I'm just sayin
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
Oh shit
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
craggy dagger
iron tail got a buff-
craggy dagger
why is it base 100 now
mighty stump
Ok
Ill put it into perspective for u Drago
You know how Flutter Mane can hit 205 SpA
molten oasis
Does it hit 205
craggy dagger
Pikachu @ Light Ball
Ability: Lightning Rod
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Volt Tackle
- Tera Blast
- Knock Off
this is a joke wtf am i doing xD
mighty stump
Pikachu's attack hits higher
molten oasis
Lmao
craggy dagger
owh tera water
molten oasis
Noted
molten oasis
So you see, something in it
mighty stump
No
molten oasis
I wish Pikachu wasn't base 90
Well it’s, it’s Pikachu
mighty stump
I just thought it would be funny
gentle cragBOT
Result: 234.000000
molten oasis
I just thought it would be funny
That’s what I meant lmao
craggy dagger
234 attack at 252 adamant
molten oasis
I was gonna finish that but you beat me to it
mighty stump
252 Atk Light Ball Tera-Water Pikachu Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Kingambit: 176-208 (85 - 100.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
molten oasis
craggy dagger
brick break
molten oasis
Kingmabit just different damn
mighty stump
I made a gmax pikachu team
in SwSh
It was one of my favourite teams
It can OHKO Ttar
molten oasis
It was fun I’d assume
mighty stump
No one ever expected it to
molten oasis
Fucking auto correct
molten oasis
Hilarious, it’s hilarious
mighty stump
feint is good
mighty stump
Oh
btw
252 Atk Light Ball Pikachu Volt Tackle vs. 212 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane: 157-186 (100 - 118.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
252 Atk Light Ball Pikachu Volt Tackle vs. 212 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane: 157-18...
Lmfao
craggy dagger
252+ SpA Light Ball Tera Fairy Pikachu Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 252-296 (144 - 169.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
craggy dagger
yeah…
molten oasis
Awkwardish speed tier
craggy dagger
what if we do trick room
molten oasis
craggy dagger
exactly 85 at -spe 0IVs
mighty stump
90+ still outspeeds Adamant Urshifu
craggy dagger
about the same as a standard incin/arma
craggy dagger
but nobody runs a 0IV spe incin
mighty stump
its probably gonna go on a HO team
molten oasis
I’ve seen a couple
mighty stump
You want Volt Tackle to chunk something so you can run through the board
molten oasis
Tornshifu?
craggy dagger
and i know that most arma are faster than the 84 incin just to pick up meteor beam KOs on incin
at 85 (for arma)
molten oasis
I forgot they gave it meteor beam
mighty stump
Me with my 85 spe Incin:
molten oasis
And it remains to be unseen
mighty stump
I run 36 Spe
molten oasis
I still use whatever incin you made beginning of the reg
Haven’t felt a need for change
gentle cragBOT
Result: 170.000000
craggy dagger
170 atk huh…
molten oasis
Mhmm
craggy dagger
224 SpA at +SpA nature light ball
gentle cragBOT
Result: 224.000000
craggy dagger
:>
mighty stump
Maybe ill mkae a Pikachu team to celebrate Pokemon Day
molten oasis
Oh huh, now that I’ve made a gapdos/Primarina team. Idk if I’ll do anything else niche
Primarina was something I liked for it’s typing
craggy dagger
i’m gonna do niche until i find my team-
molten oasis
And gapdos (although more recent) was a surprise Mon I’ve been very fond of
This is my main team I love this team
Prob won’t do anymore rentals unless something peaks my interest
molten oasis
i’m gonna do niche until i find my team-
Well
You should run meta to understand how it works
THEN build niche stuff so you can counter it
craggy dagger
i think i understand the meta pretty well…
or im just garbage at the game xD
molten oasis
Do you understand why incin rilla calm mind bolt is strong
(I’ve seen this like 10 times in the past 2 days and I’ve played like, 20 matches)
craggy dagger
xD
molten oasis
It’s annoying but I can handle it
mighty stump
molten oasis
Discount physical regieleki lol
craggy dagger
i mean-
incin is just role compression no?
the amount of util provided by incin is too hard to just pass up-
rilla with grassy terrain and actually decent attack means you’ll get recovery and a prio move with stab and terrain boost-
as for bolt?
i have no clue about bolt xD
molten oasis
Looks good
craggy dagger
https://pokepast.es/df833b6a17e0f1b4
this is the team i’m trying to pilot rn and it’s not working-
static talon
i have a team of all fighting types and people keep forfeiting my fights and its making me mad 😭
autumn vault
i mean-
incin is just role compression no?
the amount of util provided by incin ...
EQ is weakened in grassy terrain and bolt's biggest weakness is EQ
molten oasis
i mean-
incin is just role compression no?
the amount of util provided by incin ...
Fake out cycling for incin and rilla, incin has damage reduction to allow bolt to set up
craggy dagger
wh-
molten oasis
Then calm mind bolt go brrr
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
autumn vault
Fake out cycling for incin and rilla, incin has damage reduction to allow bolt t...
also that
molten oasis
EQ is weakened in grassy terrain and bolt's biggest weakness is EQ
It’s biggest weakness is not eq
It’s lando I
craggy dagger
oh it does lower ground bp-
autumn vault
ground is still bad
craggy dagger
https://pokepast.es/df833b6a17e0f1b4
this is the team i’m trying to pilot rn and...
but this ^^
molten oasis
So, with lando i I think the teams usually run wellspring
static talon
i need someone to rate my fighting team
breloom, great tusk, slither wing, quaq, okidogi, and koraidon
autumn vault
I see you are new to competitive
molten oasis
What format, cuz I have so many questions
static talon
mono
autumn vault
mono fighting
craggy dagger
well
autumn vault
i don't play mono fighting
mighty stump
Koraidon 💀
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/df833b6a17e0f1b4
this is the team i’m trying to pilot rn and...
Lati and Fari?
craggy dagger
mono fighting is pretty strong so like-
autumn vault
i am a mono dragon/fire player
bold geode
Do you understand why incin rilla calm mind bolt is strong
Double Fake Out can help setup + recovery from Terrain are two factors
molten oasis
We stated all of that already monke
bold geode
Oh you said it
static talon
i start with breloom, spore, sunny day, then switch to great or slither
molten oasis
You’re late lmfao
bold geode
I came in late
craggy dagger
Lati and Fari?
well it was dango before fari but having dango and gambit seems a bit redundant and someone already said it was bad-
molten oasis
I don’t like lati and Fari either lol
static talon
and i only use koraidon if they use a dragon type cause loaded dice scale shot
craggy dagger
well i’m trying to think what to add as last slot…
i wanna keep lati
molten oasis
That’s fine
molten oasis
Incin
molten oasis
Also helps with bolt
static talon
im only using mono teams
molten oasis
As you’re calm mind
mighty stump
Koraidon isn't allowed in the metagame yet
static talon
i have mono fairy, fighting, and ghost
craggy dagger
i hear torracat :>
molten oasis
No
craggy dagger
oki no yeah i’ll try incin-
it’s prop the piece i’m missing
static talon
someone left immediately after i used spores first round
molten oasis
I’m somewhat over my flutter avoidance cuz I keep hindering myself not using it
craggy dagger
but torracat is a faster incin-
what about eviolite thwackey
molten oasis
I hate it, so much, but it’s good for a reason
craggy dagger
oki enough joking around i’ll try incin
molten oasis
Cool
autumn vault
I’m somewhat over my flutter avoidance cuz I keep hindering myself not using it
i am the same
flutter mane is a broken ass mon so i as usual avoid it
molten oasis
Flutter helped the gapdos team
Cuz bolt was a problem
Relying on Prima was bad
And then it also helps with pao and single strike
autumn vault
i used flutter in my weezing gigas team because it is the only sp. attacker that doesnt need it's ability to shine
autumn vault
think about it (seriously), is there any special attacker that doesn't need it's ability that is not mane?
static talon
i start another casual fight, they have 2 nekrozma 2 solgaleo a lunala and bloodmoon, i left before the fight even started
mighty stump
Casuals isn't competitive :/
static talon
is there a casual chat
static talon
i also thought it ment as in like competative as in just fighting other people period
mighty stump
No it's a whole thing
molten oasis
think about it (seriously), is there any special attacker that doesn't need it's...
Hmm
Honestly iron moth lmao
Glimmora also kinda works
static talon
ah, apologies then
molten oasis
They do the same thing (meteor beam shenanigans)
autumn vault
Honestly iron moth lmao
Moth isn't in a great spot
Glimm needs it's ability to set t-spikes
molten oasis
It’s typing is solid
If it’s physical defense wasn’t literal paper it prob be better
autumn vault
4x weak to ground when lando-i and BM ursaluna are common is not that good
molten oasis
4x weak to ground when lando-i and BM ursaluna are common is not that good
Yk you can play around that right
craggy dagger
i can’t pilot balance teams…
maybe it’s time for me to go back to piloting niche-
autumn vault
ik
molten oasis
i can’t pilot balance teams…
maybe it’s time for me to go back to piloting niche...
Keep trying
autumn vault
it's just that my counters will not always survive
molten oasis
it's just that my counters will not always survive
Ok, that goes with anything
autumn vault
i will play some showdown ok
molten oasis
“I let my wellspring die now my flutter will die and I lose” or “I used my Tera too early and now I lose to lando”
craggy dagger
i will-
maybe i’m just at school that’s why
molten oasis
i will-
maybe i’m just at school that’s why <:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
I’m also at school
But I sat and texted for an hour instead of paying attention to me lecture, I make great decisions
craggy dagger
i do the same 
mighty stump
Pikachu, the best Urshifu support
charred saddle
Pikachu, the best Urshifu support
does lighting rod redirect thundercalp too by any chance?
mighty stump
does lighting rod redirect thundercalp too by any chance?
Yea
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
next stump
For any Gouging Fire/Gambit users, what would be your turn 1 play if your opponent led Scarf water urshifu and chien-pao into your Gouging/Gambit
Assume you have Water-Oger or Amoonguss and Flutter in the back
timber falcon
For any Gouging Fire/Gambit users, what would be your turn 1 play if your oppone...
Is this booster energy gouging?
If so I breaking swipe, swap gambit into water pon and go from there
next stump
yep, booster speed set
craggy dagger
bulwark fire and swap into pon maybe?
swipe and swap to pon :>
timber falcon
Yeah you’d just wanna get pon in there
timber falcon
Then they can Ko next turn
Risky to do that, better to lower their attack -2
Cause gouging isn’t rly going down turn 1
craggy dagger
but most likely i feel like scarfshifu would cc into gambit slot
timber falcon
but most likely i feel like scarfshifu would cc into gambit slot
It’s too obvious if a play to make
Like very obvious
craggy dagger
you’d be surprised-
timber falcon
I would
craggy dagger
sometimes the obvious play is the way to go
timber falcon
Yeah but can’t go wrong with safe
timber falcon
but simple plays is nice cause sometimes opponents overthink
I’m just salty cause I ended up doing an obvious Tera in Bo3 hoping to catch them off guard and they predicted it
And it was my win condition
charred saddle
For any Gouging Fire/Gambit users, what would be your turn 1 play if your oppone...
swipe + switch to amoonguss
wouldnt want pon take CC damage,
i mean also depends on how speedy the GF is, but i would just swap to amoonguss
would still be quite annoying if the chienpao protects the turn
but ig speed booster is faster than pao so ig u can still swipe again and spore a slot or tera for even safer measure
timber falcon
swipe + switch to amoonguss
Yeah this actually the safest move
charred saddle
i think it also then depends on what set the gambit runs, if its AV + fairy and lowkick prob spore shifu?
timber falcon
Also is fwg mandatory for a good team?
timber falcon
Ok thnx for the info
charred saddle
dark is immune to psychic, not resists,
thats also quite similar to fairy dragon steel
- dragon weakness to dragon
craggy dagger
fighting weak to psy which dark takes care of, psy is weak to ghost which dark covers, dark which fighting covers, dark is weak to fighting which psychic covers-
only problem is fighting dark is weak to fairy and there’s no coverage there
timber falcon
I just find dark and fighting as a must, don’t rly dwindle on psychic types (blame Incin)
Knock off miscreant
mental glen
Anyone got a set for thunderus?
craggy dagger
which form?
timber falcon
id assume regular
torn parrot
i can’t pilot balance teams…
maybe it’s time for me to go back to piloting niche...
Balance teams are really difficult imo
I wouldn’t reccomend if someone is just starting out and trying to learn
But I will say that practicing them later on does help with improving
charred saddle
depends on how u perceive the game id say. i cant play HO or TR teams well, and most of my teams tend to be balanced
having a balanced flexible team is nice for me
craggy dagger
i wouldn’t say i’m a beginner-
or whatever the spelling goes-
cause i thrive with “gimmicks” in ots
charred saddle
well im a beginner 
my experience on comp is very little compared to others
craggy dagger
yet you play better than me :>
timber falcon
well im a beginner <a:KEKWlaugh:1033574414501031986>
my experience on comp is v...
when u start? i started end of reg E with a gothatelle armourouge team
mental glen
Guessing no one has anything for therian tornadus lol
torn parrot
i wouldn’t say i’m a beginner-
My bad I didn’t mean to assume anything 🙏
Just my two cents about balance
charred saddle
end of reg E, hitting top 300 mb then early in the season hit top 100 then took a break
i never fiddled with therian torn
nor do i know what it have to offer
timber falcon
end of reg E, hitting top 300 mb then early in the season hit top 100 then took ...
how u improve so fast
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
mental glen
Thanks
charred saddle
i watched comp from swsh, so i kinda have some basics on them
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
bold geode
Balance teams are really difficult imo
I wouldn’t reccomend if someone is just...
I would actually say quite the opposite
timber falcon
Balance teams are really difficult imo
I wouldn’t reccomend if someone is just...
literally how i improve...
bold geode
Balance revolves around concepts like positioning and reading board states
Concepts of the game that honestly apply to any team
So that's a good way to learn those things
charred saddle
balanced are flexible yeah, but ig some people does like playing a very linear team
idk, at this point id just use tornadusincarnate
the sets are bery similar to incarnate with no prankster
and i dont know how to benefit off the regenerator since its not that bulky
typing wise too
compared to like amoonguss typings
bold geode
Like even with HO, sure you try to KO stuff fast but like
There's some points where you have to be able to identify what to target or what trades to make
Brady Smith did a post on balance vs HO that's pretty on point imo
craggy dagger
My bad I didn’t mean to assume anything 🙏
Just my two cents about balance
no no it’s oki-
i’m sorry if i came off as rude.
but i do agree with you…
balance is hard…
also i guess im technically a beginner cause its the first time im trying out meta pokemon-
bold geode
Twitter
@charred saddle
Twitter
Also here's an interesting one as well
Reads vs safe plays
torn parrot
Like even with HO, sure you try to KO stuff fast but like
There's some points wh...
I think it can come down to playstyle which someone has an easier time with
But my opinion is
I think HO is extremely extremely easy to pick up. It’s just that when it can’t break through something it kinda gets dismantled which can make it difficulty farther down the line
Balance is mostly successful due to people playing it who understand the meta and understand how pokemon work together, like you said there is no linear path so it requires brain power to find the path to victory
craggy dagger
:0
timber falcon
I think it can come down to playstyle which someone has an easier time with
But...
HO can backfire way too easily, its easy to pick up but by no means does it improve play. i ran a Ho team at the begginign of reg f to realise its not the way to go
what you DO want to know is how to not get destroyed by meta
bold geode
I think it can come down to playstyle which someone has an easier time with
But...
Oh yeah
I say balance can teach you those things right
But overall with play style, that can differ
Balance can just help teach you concepts that apply to HO, balance, bulky offense, you name it
Play style is another thing and I understand if you're more HO than balance or whatever
craggy dagger
niche :>
bold geode
Both can technically be easy to pick up too depending on yet again play styles
bold geode
Differs from person to person
Both are viable options though
craggy dagger
bold geode
Like hell Psyspam which is crazy is technically HO
craggy dagger
<:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
tbf-
it works well in ots
craggy dagger
LMAO
craggy dagger
but yeah niche is way too easy to pick up cause you don’t have to understand anything but the pokemon you add
and what they do to the meta-
timber falcon
but yeah niche is way too easy to pick up cause you don’t have to understand any...
literally my first proper team i made is niche lmao
glorious smeargle days
bold geode
I'd say niche is harder
Cuz you got goodstuffs right
Tryna make niche stuff work viably can be a bitch sometimes
timber falcon
I'd say niche is harder
Cuz you got goodstuffs right
Tryna make niche stuff work...
cause its never viable in my eyes, sooner or later ur gonna hit a road block
craggy dagger
tbf i made this monstrosity-
timber falcon
shrieks in psyspam
autumn vault
tbf i made this monstrosity-
https://pokepast.es/2faf3c77654f286a
Sneaky Running Woke you have there
craggy dagger
also i came across a power band single strike which murdered me-
timber falcon
also i came across a power band single strike which murdered me-
ursh dark do be hitting hard like that sometimes
autumn vault
also i came across a power band single strike which murdered me-
That was actually featured in an Aaron Zheng video
craggy dagger
Sneaky Running Woke you have there
it hits 57 spe after everything plus its ots so it’s not that sneaky-
timber falcon
That was actually featured in an Aaron Zheng video
that mf bringing sacred sets into vgc
ill never forget smearglemuk
never
autumn vault
ill never forget smearglemuk
Thx to James Baek it's common
gentle cragBOT
Thx to James Baek it's common
lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to otot8953
autumn vault
Even i the devil fear him because i do no benefit from it
timber falcon
lmao
autumn vault
Fuck arceus for creating alolan muk
autumn vault
what kind of brain do you have to think if such a thing?
I am just pretending to be a giratina, also yes alolan muk is an abomination
timber falcon
I am just pretending to be a giratina, also yes alolan muk is an abomination
no i mean what kind of brain to create alolan fuck
autumn vault
Seriously though who created that duo
timber falcon
fr
autumn vault
no i mean what kind of brain to create alolan fuck
Oh right
Junichi Masuda
Ik it was him
I just know it
timber falcon
developers allowing such sets to even exist
craggy dagger
dozogiri + costar flamigo or Alolan Mukgle + costar flamigo
those make me want to just-
timber falcon
dozogiri + costar flamigo or Alolan Mukgle + costar flamigo
craggy dagger
quit vgc-
autumn vault
dozogiri + costar flamigo or Alolan Mukgle + costar flamigo
I use T-Spikes dozogiri but that is just more evil
timber falcon
I use T-Spikes dozogiri but that is just more evil
tspikes dozo giri obliterated my very nice day by stalling me out with toxic
autumn vault
tspikes dozo giri obliterated my very nice day by stalling me out with toxic
I don't stall with it
I go protect EQ wave crash and order up
timber falcon
few
autumn vault
I only use it to recover a bit more and poison enemies and to kill in 1 turn even with sash
timber falcon
I only use it to recover a bit more and poison enemies and to kill in 1 turn eve...
whats the tera
timber falcon
oh yeah btw @craggy dagger checked on a hackcheck and u can in fact get 0 speed oger
craggy dagger
I use T-Spikes dozogiri but that is just more evil
flamigo casually saying hey-
craggy dagger
oh yeah btw <@541037106496012290> checked on a hackcheck and u can in fact get 0...
o dam-
not that it matters cause oger is too fast anyways
autumn vault
but what do u do against amoongus
Roaring moon and hearthflame exist on my team for a reason
They just murder amoonguss
timber falcon
o dam-
not that it matters cause oger is too fast anyways <:PikaLmao:67899078550...
original oger, 0 spe + room service
craggy dagger
i need the water coverage though-
timber falcon
Roaring moon and hearthflame exist on my team for a reason
roaring moon didnt deserve the fraud charges
craggy dagger
i’m kidding i’m not gonna use TR pon
timber falcon
then i will
autumn vault
roaring moon didnt deserve the fraud charges
It didn't deserve mane existing
Flutter mane is more toxic than urshifu imo
craggy dagger
then i will
owh-
gl then-
it can’t be as bad as-
razor claw teal pon right?
timber falcon
owh-
gl then-
it can’t be as bad as-
razor claw teal pon right?
wha-
craggy dagger
hm?
timber falcon
It didn't deserve mane existing
i use it to kill manes? tera burn???? whats that 🗣️ 🔥
craggy dagger
shhhhhh-
https://pokepast.es/be55067e4e4e2acf
i-
what is this
i’m looking through my teams and this is what i found
autumn vault
i use it to kill manes? tera burn???? whats that 🗣️ 🔥
I use tera flying acrobatics and it murders mane decently
timber falcon
I use tera flying acrobatics and it murders mane decently
🤝
craggy dagger
pass into chi yu
instant nuke button
timber falcon
shhhhhh-
https://pokepast.es/be55067e4e4e2acf
i-
what is this
ur literally some sort of mad teambuilding scientist
craggy dagger
ur literally some sort of mad teambuilding scientist
mhm
timber falcon
OTOT 🤝 S-O-Giratina (Lycopoky)
Using roaring moon to kill flutter manes
as it should be
craggy dagger
just use tera poison balance rm
autumn vault
as it should be
Yes (also for memes sake: Volo 🤝 Shiny Giratina, murdering flutter mane with roaring moon)
timber falcon
nuh uh, acrobatic moon must remain strong#
craggy dagger
totally a balance team-
timber falcon
Yes (also for memes sake: Volo 🤝 Shiny Giratina, murdering flutter mane with ro...
volo and girantina best pkmon villians
autumn vault
volo and girantina best pkmon villians
Agree, also Volo is the best designed villain ngl
timber falcon
Agree, also Volo is the best designed villain ngl
and the forshadowing was sick, said "Boo!" everytime u met him, then he ended up with ghost plate
autumn vault
and the forshadowing was sick, said "Boo!" everytime u met him, then he ended up...
I didn't know that
timber falcon
also the only pokemon boss fight that made me sob
autumn vault
Also Giratina is the Ultra Necrozma of PLA
timber falcon
Also Giratina is the Ultra Necrozma of PLA
final boss of the final boss
autumn vault
It wipped 4/6 of my mons, the oher 2 were murdered by volo
Terrible might is terrible for players
timber falcon
fr that evasion boost was vile
strange fjord
Just use dark pulse, truuust
timber falcon
i had to put it to sleep with darkrai and get lucky
strange fjord
or dragon pulse
timber falcon
or dragon pulse
my lvl 90 garchomp could barely scratch it 
autumn vault
I had H-Samurott, did you think i was using dark pulse?
autumn vault
my lvl 90 garchomp could barely scratch it <:mochige:1196954088462631082>
*lvl 85 alpha garchomp
strange fjord
No one used H-Goodra?
timber falcon
there we go
autumn vault
Nope
timber falcon
No one used H-Goodra?
nope
autumn vault
It is trash
timber falcon
fr garchomp simply cooler
strange fjord
Shelter gave it def boost plus evasion in PLA.
and all pulse moves guaranteed to hit
like dragon pulse
timber falcon
b-b-but garchomp still cooler
autumn vault
Did we use pulse moves? No, why? Because a lot of pulse users are trash
Except the creation trio but we didnt use dragon pulse
We used their signature moves
timber falcon
spacial rend brrrrrrr
autumn vault
Yes OTOT, brrrrrrrrrr
autumn vault
palkia > dialga imo
Dialga > Palkia imo
craggy dagger
dialga > palkia in pogo-
but palkia > dialga in any other game
autumn vault
Giratina > dialga palkia
craggy dagger
shiny diamond > shiny pearl however-
timber falcon
palkia cooler to me still
craggy dagger
shiny palkia just looks like a white sock that was thrown in with red clothing and it was dyed pink
timber falcon
cant even argue with that
autumn vault
Shiny dialga looks like a blue creature that dyed itself in green and half succeeded and half failed
craggy dagger
out of the three, gira has the best shiny
timber falcon
looks like a failed emerald
timber falcon
out of the three, gira has the best shiny
undoubtebly, and the best concept of the three
autumn vault
out of the three, gira has the best shiny
Best shiny imo
craggy dagger
antimatter :>
timber falcon
Best shiny imo
shiny swampert is the one for me
autumn vault
1 out the 1024 pokemon shinies and the 1 is giratina
timber falcon
im a sucker for pokemon with those hands
timber falcon
Number 1024 is regice's shiny
gengar
craggy dagger
best shiny imo is…
genesect maybe?
timber falcon
i go with gengar out of spite
autumn vault
gengar
Even side by side and you will barely see it, i trained myself to spot a shiny gengar and it took a bit, regice would be years
craggy dagger
baby chi yu is now an even hotter flame :>
timber falcon
Even side by side and you will barely see it, i trained myself to spot a shiny g...
yes but gengar was a fan fav pokemon, one of those that were perfect, then they do such a thing to it
and yeh shiny chi yu smacks
autumn vault
Shiny chi yu is pretty good
They should change gengar's shiny to white
They did change shinies with combusken, do it with gengar and regice pls
timber falcon
They should change gengar's shiny to white
craggy dagger
purple charizard :0
autumn vault
Purple charizard is terrible
timber falcon
i prefer charizard black, simple yet elegant
craggy dagger
mhm
autumn vault
i prefer charizard black, simple yet elegant
This
boreal mauveBOT
Provided by Nexus-Z
timber falcon
reminded me of my proud uncommon mark shiny greninja
craggy dagger
reminded me of my proud uncommon mark shiny greninja
my teensy go stamped shiny greninja :>
timber falcon
I don't play PoGo
i play it after hearing of those shiny legend chances only
timber falcon
i only thrive on community days
well just because shinies benefit competetively, they start strike ur opponents with glamour
yep all competetive related 
molten oasis
What are y’all talking about
timber falcon
competetive stuff
autumn vault
What are y’all talking about
It is nothing and we are totally discussing stuff in the right channel
timber falcon
i second that
molten oasis
It is nothing and we are totally discussing stuff in the right channel
Sure
I didn’t pass the shiny greninja talk
Or anything like that
(Derailed conversations are normal idc)
I’m not a mod I can’t do anything about it
craggy dagger
oh hey drago
sterile ivy
Thoughts on this team?
It's my first attempt so it's probably bad, but I tried to get stuff that works with rain while simultaneously keeping type weaknesses somewhat balanced.
https://pokepast.es/1c9e4785bf9196ef
craggy dagger
whoa-
what’s this formatting-
sterile ivy
I have no idea about formatting is so bugged. I just pressed the 'share pokepaste' option on pikalytics 
Haven't used any EVs because I don't know enough about it. Just trying to figure out the pokemon to begin with. Battle format would be doubles.
craggy dagger
what is that alcremie spread /t
sterile ivy
Alright. Give me a second.
molten oasis
For example
Damn I love 252 spA Alcreamie
molten oasis
Yk who doesn’t get moonblast that’s generally a crime
Hatterene
Forces it to be basically only spread damage since, it doesn’t get moonblast and it wants expanding force
craggy dagger
yep-
imo it’s for the better-
have you seen its base spa
actually no wtf am i saying
flutter exists-
molten oasis
imo it’s for the better-
have you seen its base spa
Oh no
timber falcon
Like how are u stopping deedee+ hatterene from setting tr up
molten oasis
But guys look how much spA this thing has
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
timber falcon
ITS SO BULKY TOO
molten oasis
cough cough 170 is nuts
timber falcon
WHAT IS GAME FRWAK DOING
timber falcon
They gotta make a prankster aura veil mon
molten oasis
Get a defense boost now
So you invest in special defense spa and speed and go Ham
Then also Tera fire cuz you boost turbo blaze
timber falcon
Or, maybe just maybe, assault vest carnage
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
oh it’s an ability hold up
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
timber falcon
So basically Mold breaker but a cooler name? Sick
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
Hehe
timber falcon
100 accuracy…..
timber falcon
Restricted format is gonna be hell
molten oasis
Oh, and Draco meteor from this hurts
timber falcon
Anything from it hurts
dawn crown
When is the next global challenge
timber falcon
Soon I think
molten oasis
Idk, idc I hate the global challenges cuz it’s CTS cheese
timber falcon
Start of march or smth
molten oasis
Sounds about right
Oh yea uh, we don’t talk about miraidon lol
Electro drift hits like a plane, it’s gross
And if it’s se, bye bye
I’m 90% sure NOTHING takes a electro drift if it’s se
timber falcon
Miraidon + bolt? Type overlap but still gonna slap
timber falcon
Miraidon carrying its paradox mons, can’t wait for that
Also can’t wait for the new sun setter
timber falcon
Idk, groudon still looks good
molten oasis
Well that guy isn’t in the game unfortunately
timber falcon
Yeah I was so upset that x and y legs didn’t make the cut
molten oasis
well not unfortunately cuz xerneas isn’t in the game and xerneas can burn in hell
molten oasis
oh I just realized
sterile ivy
For example
https://pokepast.es/5674730f3b0872d9
There we go. I think it works now. I really just like those 3 pokemon and would want them on a team
timber falcon
“Let’s make the legendary Pokémon double in the stats it’s best on”
craggy dagger
miraidon bundle is gonna shred
timber falcon
Yea
craggy dagger
well…
terapagos-
molten oasis
Bruh
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/5674730f3b0872d9
There we go. I think it works now. I really...
They look decent tbh
molten oasis
What connection do they have with terapagos
craggy dagger
i don’t know i’m running out of ideas
craggy dagger
What connection do they have with terapagos
the very end-
at the crystal pool-
timber falcon
Wait terapagos is gonna be allowed?
dawn crown
Won’t calyrex shadow ohko flutter
molten oasis
Yep
timber falcon
the very end-
at the crystal pool-
Nah but he’s dlc mon they don’t count
molten oasis
Won’t calyrex shadow ohko flutter
It can be ev’d to live if not boosting item
craggy dagger
Won’t calyrex shadow ohko flutter
we’ve been through this so no
sterile ivy
They look decent tbh
Yeah, trouble is I don't know where to go from here 
timber falcon
Yeah, trouble is I don't know where to go from here <:KEKW:751122217890349116>
Archaludon?
molten oasis
Also, the trios are usually established in the base game
timber falcon
So what are the sv trio
molten oasis
Which means, miraidon and koraidon are a duo
timber falcon
Maybe we missing something
craggy dagger
Also, the trios are usually established in the base game
true
molten oasis
There is no trio
craggy dagger
walking wake/iron leaves
timber falcon
It’s always a trio, they can’t do this to me
molten oasis
Mewtwo is a solo box art
craggy dagger
It’s always a trio, they can’t do this to me
no not really-
gen 2 had a duo iirc
molten oasis
Ho-oh and Lugia are a duo
dawn crown
I have never played a restricted format and I plan to enter into the reg g Los Angeles tournament. In Sword and shield what were the most used restricteds
timber falcon
Ho-oh and Lugia are a duo
True true
craggy dagger
technically gen 5 is a solo-
molten oasis
Yiu could also technically say Zac and Zama are a duo they just happens to beat up Eternatus
molten oasis
technically gen 5 is a solo-
How
timber falcon
Yiu could also technically say Zac and Zama are a duo they just happens to beat ...
Nah but eternatus is a base game leg
molten oasis
I said technically for a reason lol
craggy dagger
lore stuff
molten oasis
the tao trio is one entity that split into 3 cause of war-
So it’s “technically” a solo but it’s really a trio
timber falcon
Pokémon lore stupid, game lore that is
craggy dagger
technically gen 5 is a solo-
drago-
i said technically-
molten oasis
Oh
craggy dagger
***reading is nonexistent for comp players and tera raiders ***
molten oasis
Well anyway yea miraidon and koraidon are a duo, which is interesting
timber falcon
Didn’t even realise it’s nova cause of pfp change lmao
craggy dagger
yo-
craggy dagger
Didn’t even realise it’s nova cause of pfp change lmao
felt like i needed an aesthetic change
timber falcon
And that duo will be strong
They’re also a friendly duo
molten oasis
But because of miraidon spiking, rillaboom also spikes
timber falcon
Instead of groudon and kyogre pivot spamming for domain control
craggy dagger
we still do
craggy dagger
still a weather fight-
timber falcon
Rilla and deedee value and Mirai drops: ⬆️
molten oasis
The terrain wars don’t even pop up that much with rilla and Deedee cuz fari is better rn
Unless you’re doing psyspam
craggy dagger
for terrains i agree
timber falcon
Yeah but once specs mirai comes in with nuclear bomb worth smacks ur gonna need terrain control
molten oasis
Oh it gets overheat
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
timber falcon
Specs mirai + scarf chi yu 😭
molten oasis
I’m a balance player so I’m probably not running pao or chi yu but, that’ll be everyone month 1
Like how month 1 of this reg was PaoNiteTei
Which sucked
craggy dagger
i am-
burning the world down with this team-
timber falcon
cant wait for HO to absolutley take over compet world
molten oasis
cant wait for HO to absolutley take over compet world
At first
timber falcon
also thoughts on this? https://pokepast.es/3349bf80dfe14a1e
craggy dagger
tsareena’s ability is also just armor tail isn’t it
timber falcon
called fast and furious cause if i dont name teams how they work i forget what to do
timber falcon
tsareena’s ability is also just armor tail isn’t it
yep
molten oasis
tsareena’s ability is also just armor tail isn’t it
You mean fari’s ability is just queenly Grâce (or whatever tf it is)
timber falcon
queens majesty
molten oasis
Yea
timber falcon
well you could also say armour tail is a copy of bru-
molten oasis
Anyway you can expect wellspring/zacian and a9/white kyurem from me next reg
craggy dagger
dazzling
molten oasis
Don’t run bruxish
timber falcon
Anyway you can expect wellspring/zacian and a9/white kyurem from me next reg
im hopping on that spectrier chi yu spammage 👌
molten oasis
timber falcon
oh i forgot about kyogres existence
molten oasis
I get it but also, eww
molten oasis
Until incin ruins its life
molten oasis
Incin regularly fought kyogre in Dynamax
Incin is literally the definition of that guy
timber falcon
takes no shit from no mon
timber falcon
and now it gets tera to boot its bulk
molten oasis
Incin be like this when kyogre enters the field
timber falcon
and proceed to fake out, but just wait fo covert cloak kyogre, theres gonna be some sick mf that pulls it
theres alwyas that one outrageos set
molten oasis
Or Tera ghost
timber falcon
Or Tera ghost
oh yeah this is absolutely gonna be on some sets
molten oasis
I called a tera ghost lando in my head once, didn’t enhance on it, and lost for it
timber falcon
I called a tera ghost lando in my head once, didn’t enhance on it, and lost for ...
the pain oml, lost 2 games in a row to that and tera ghosht shifu
molten oasis
Choice mon Tera ghost is great
timber falcon
for the people using it
timber falcon
yeah its great but so suprising and anger inducing that a refuse to properly acknowledge it as good
anway time for me to cook up that tr ogerpon team
molten oasis
Mhmm
craggy dagger
anway time for me to cook up that tr ogerpon team
i’ll make one too why the heck not
okay but hear me out-
symbiosis monke w/ room service ogerpon
grizzled bronze
low ladder shenanigans
craggy dagger
wh?
timber falcon
cold ivy
to guys
craggy dagger
this is what i have so far…
cold ivy
what would be the best moveset for mew mainly for catching legendaries w spore?
molten oasis
Why are we room service
timber falcon
Why are we room service
its tr after all
craggy dagger
cause pon is too fast
grizzled bronze
0 speed is not possible iirc
craggy dagger
0 speed is not possible iirc
it is
molten oasis
grizzled bronze
ogerpon has set ivs no?
craggy dagger
not that i know of?
molten oasis
Ok well, I’m not gonna get involved with this one
grizzled bronze
craggy dagger
owh?
grizzled bronze
always max speed
craggy dagger
i thought-
grizzled bronze
so like
timber falcon
oh speed is guranteed?
gentle cragBOT
Result: 115.000000
craggy dagger
no-
gentle cragBOT
Result: 58.500000
craggy dagger
58 speed i mean…
timber falcon
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2068249885 no tr used yet, but a win is a win
craggy dagger
power item = 58 speed it’s not bad ig
grizzled bronze
so like tera on ogerpon is bad now if you really want that low speed
craggy dagger
with -atk nature cause you can mint mint
timber falcon
so like tera on ogerpon is bad now if you really want that low speed
pretty much
craggy dagger
idk it’s not working with me i don’t like it
grizzled bronze
happens
craggy dagger
https://pokepast.es/75fb8c19c5094cdd
here is something i’m working on…
grizzled bronze
i regret looking
craggy dagger
my teams tend to do that to people
oki ignoring the pao set-
i actually fixed it this time
molten oasis
Niels is a fan of Tera electric pao (I do not like Niels takes on most things)
grizzled bronze
what does it even do
craggy dagger
ghost tera sucker in place of blast
molten oasis
Sure love no sucker punch
timber falcon
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2068257662-3ylhtd9jbhwvggcgslujizyy6zj69tupw lol i didnt deserve this
craggy dagger
where’s that ogerpon
grizzled bronze
then maybe it's time to ditch the whole idea if it's hard to use
room service is not it
bold geode
Some horrid shit
timber falcon
worst part is this team has actually been gaining me elo
at a higher rate than my serious teams
even better the room service let me outspeed incin
craggy dagger
hes so hard to fit in 😭
that’s what she said-
silver ravine
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2068267708
Never thought of using room service before.
upbeat quail
Alright guys I wanna use venusaur on a team here in the global challenge. Should I be using tornadus with sunny day or Torkoal as a sun setter?
upbeat quail
I’ll look that up, thank you
upbeat quail
Okay so possibly stupid question, but sometimes when I’m ev training my Pokémon in scarlet and Violet the combination of vitamins and feathers doesn’t always add up.
Like vitamins are 10 EVs each and feathers are 1ev each right?
mighty stump
It is
silk thorn
Today i played online and a dude with just ONE malamar matched against me, the first thing i did was to trick a choice scarf into him and he cancelled the battle. Im still curious what he was trying to do, whats going on?
He tried using hipnosis first
craggy dagger
contrary trick room skill swap i would assume
craggy dagger
true
cold ivy
what would be the best moveset for mew to help catch legendaries?
craggy dagger
use breloom/spore user and hisuian decidueye-
mighty stump
Why are you using AI for Pokemon sets lol
cold ivy
uh
mighty stump
Google is right there
autumn kelp
The information and dataset that ChatGPT is old as ...... so it wont be useful on actual meta nor VCG at all tbh
cold ivy
what would be the best 4 moves for breloom?
crisp hedge
https://pokepast.es/e088f48c786c28d1 thoughts on my draft team?
Sleep power Mach punch seed bomb and fske out
@cold ivy
cold ivy
ok mb
craggy dagger
but i suggested hisuian decidueye cause ghost types and scrappy false swipe
it’s what i use for my flutter hunting but it’s also got AV
charred saddle
h dcid doesnt get spore or sleep powder
mighty stump
Sleep power Mach punch seed bomb and fske out
Not for catching, and never Sleep Powder over Spore
@cold ivy its Spore, False Swipe. the other 2 is up to you. I have Stun Spore for non-sleepable mons
nocturne holly
The information and dataset that ChatGPT is old as ...... so it wont be useful o...
Snapchat ai can definitely do it tho watch
cold ivy
<@1181414410363883550> its Spore, False Swipe. the other 2 is up to you. I have ...
alrighy
cold ivy
<@1181414410363883550> its Spore, False Swipe. the other 2 is up to you. I have ...
ill add on substitute and leech seed
molten oasis
but i suggested hisuian decidueye cause ghost types and scrappy false swipe
But hisui Decidueye sucks
craggy dagger
its the only scrappy false swpie
molten oasis
Oh you mean for shiny hunting
near crag
any thoughts on this team? https://pokepast.es/8d10605cd3659b7c
molten oasis
any thoughts on this team? https://pokepast.es/8d10605cd3659b7c
Why whims and not torn?
near crag
I wanted to have an helping hand user, but I also wanted to use the four moves on farigiraf
and ogerpon
I also didn't really wanted another pokemon with a rock weakness
molten oasis
Helping hand on Fari is just better than imprison
Fari either doesn’t stay on the field long enough or it stays on the field too long with imprison
near crag
Wouldn't imprison be valuable both against tr and flutter, by dazzling gleam?
molten oasis
Wouldn't imprison be valuable both against tr and flutter, by dazzling gleam?
Yea until you get moonblasted
near crag
fair enough
brazen bough
am i missing something or i cant find any of the outbreaks
mighty stump
ill add on substitute and leech seed
You don’t want to Leech Seed your mon that youre catching
rustic mountain
#catching_discussion
molten oasis
So, what are y’all hoping for from the Pokémon presents tomorrow?
craggy dagger
not much tbh
rustic mountain
same
some cafe mix update, miraidon to unite
something something for another spin off, maybe a mid remake announcement
knotty mirage
I'm expecting the BW remake with bdsp artstyle
timber falcon
They better not
knotty mirage
timber falcon
i disliked how tedious legends was
Legends is my fav Pokemon game, the first in which I generally struggled
knotty mirage
i disliked how tedious legends was
I guess i can agree with that it fell more like playing monster hunter than pokemon when playing legends arceus
mighty stump
I guess i can agree with that it fell more like playing monster hunter than poke...
Yeah but Monster Hunter has a fun gameplay loop
PLA is like
Some parts felt tedious for the sake of being tedious
Map UI was also poor
molten oasis
Yeah but Monster Hunter has a fun gameplay loop
We don’t need Pokémon, we need MH Wilds (I think that’s what it was called)
tough idol
We don’t need Pokémon, we need MH Wilds (I think that’s what it was called)
PokemonSter Hunter. Hybrid title. Go on hunts killing Pokemon and making new kit.
mighty stump
We don’t need Pokémon, we need MH Wilds (I think that’s what it was called)
based
dull ibex
I return
solar breach
Chillaboom
Bc why not
chrome knot
@next stump silly question where are you from bc this year we’re doing a triple mss & by this time next year we’re eligible to do 10 mss in a row days so if ur close by
silk thorn
I have an incineroar with will o wisp, knock off, parting shot and fire blitz. However i now want to start my matches with glimora and set up toxic spikes, therefor will o wisp might not be that usefull, what should i replace it with? I though about swagger but i think the chance to hit yourself in confusion was changed to 25%? Im not too sure about how good that would be
chrome knot
singles ?
silk thorn
Singles yes