competitive_discussion

[tired sage]

for when things get to dicey

[timber falcon]

theres no need to burn tera for a toxic spikes set up'

[tired sage]

im not saying just kill it

[bold geode]

[autumn vault]

I asked for a good ev spread not methods of getting T-Spikes up freely (although it is useful)

[bold geode]

Ok no need for that lol

[timber falcon]

im too lazy for calcs so im no help

[bold geode]

Also imma be honest, I just saw the words "self proc" and shuddered

[tired sage]

i’m just saying it’s one way to trigger toxic debris.
i wouldn’t want to sac it either

[bold geode]

But yucky

[mighty stump]

I helped Yotam flowchart a matchup and the most optimal game was to Tera Grass and EQ to self-trigger Toxic Debris

Back in Regulation C or something

Just saying, options are options

[bold geode]

Bro even helping the big guns

Just him

[mighty stump]

Ok well that’s not the relevant point

[autumn vault]

Well i tested my first match and i won 3-1, my opponent forfeited

Moon glimm lead

Dozogiri in the back

My opponent incin firepon lead with rillaboom and gambit in the back

I am glad my team works out atleast

[bold geode]

Yeah but fuck you

(Love you)

[timber falcon]

one win isnt enough 🗣️

[solid frigate]

Needs to be Consistent,i would say 10 Matches

[timber falcon]

indeed

[solid frigate]

ii want to make a Xenoblade Reference but probably the best not to do that

[mighty stump]

10 matches is still on the low end

[autumn vault]

i havent had much time to play ok

[mighty stump]

Best way to measure a team's performance is:

• Fresh alt
• Sub 100 games
• Final Elo + minimum GXE 65+

Imo if the GXE dips too much it's not worth going

[bold geode]

[mighty stump]

I mean it's no hard and fast rule but it's a decent way to estimate

[wild cairn]

Arcanine (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 132 HP / 84 Def / 124 SpA / 60 SpD / 108 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Heat Wave
• Dragon Pulse
• Tera Blast
• Scorching Sands

i tried out the special arcanine build, but replaced hyper voice with dragon pulse

[mighty stump]

I would at least give it something like Overheat if that's what you're going for...

[tired sage]

tofu before you say anything-
i claim responsibility for this

[mighty stump]

I was about to ping you

[tired sage]

[smoky hawk]

I've been disappointed by archaludon in rain

For one thing, it is useless if they have lando-I. Otherwise, it was still lackluster at my locals

[mighty stump]

Another lamb mislead away from the Churchaludon

[tired sage]

[mighty stump]

False prophet Electro Shot Archaludon

Smh

[tired sage]

breaking swipr snarl, body press draco meteor 😎

[smoky hawk]

I haven't run into such a big case of a pokemon seeming amazing on paper but not working out in practice. Not to that extent, at least

So I'm trying thundy instead of pelipper and replaced arch to bring back chien-pao. It's a rain team with various meta mon

[mighty stump]

Chien-Pao on a rain team?

What else is it working with

Urshifu I assume

[smoky hawk]

Yes. Rillaboom, kingambit, amoonguss

A bunch of fire-weak pokemon but that's partially why I have rain

One of a couple teams I'm trying out now

They also have a lot of priority across the team

[timber falcon]

after fully switching to bo3, im glad to see no nasty armourouge gimmicks

[mighty stump]

High-elo Bo3 is almost similar to low ladder Bo1 sometimes

[timber falcon]

those ppl NEVER had open team sheets and spammed cheesy starts

[mighty stump]

So

Enjoy

[timber falcon]

wait theyre still gonna be there....

might aswell enjoy climbing that ladder

[mighty stump]

The ones you find at Bo3 at high elo are like

The ones with comfort teams that are wack

Or the ones that have super solid play

Or both

[timber falcon]

basically either balanced teams that are difficult to take out or people that chase that world champ difference?

[bold geode]

Churchape bitch

Churchape more like Churchang (I'll see myself out)

[tired sage]

so the teams i cook

[bold geode]

Honestly I'm probably gonna post that one as such
Or just for fun

[dull ibex]

i return, vc?

[tough idol]

It's not Shiny but I finally got my Recluse

[kindred cypress]

Just waiting for the Kyogre messiah to come

[mighty stump]

Well I don’t really see Wolfe’s real teams as wack lol

[karmic temple]

https://x.com/pokemon/status/1760031574446526797?s=46&t=FT37NdiOUE2s7PDDciYVcg

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God they are so hinting at bw remakes or bw3

[kindred cypress]

They desperately need a W, and know the biggest one they can get is a successful BW thing

[smoky hawk]

My new TR team:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2063927513

[sharp cobalt]

Whats a good TR set for Sinistcha? TR, Matcha Gotcha, Rage Powder, Protect or smth?

[smoky hawk]

That's most common, yes

[tired sage]

i run strength sap in place of protect for uh…
-1 atk

[solid frigate]

Kinda interesting Team with Dusclops And Hisuian Lilligant

can you give me the team sheet?

[bold geode]

I just don't run Sinistcha

[solid frigate]

i don't think its as good as Amoonguss in current Meta,

which the current Meta is just,Chaos.

[smoky hawk]

Sure but understand that it is a work in progress. I just put the team together last night and I'm seeing if I should take it to a local coming up

[solid frigate]

its fine!

[bold geode]

Should've Eruption turn 6 and 7

With Urshifu burned and Sun up, you probably would've been fine any way

[solid frigate]

and Incineroar is not a Fire Type Anymore because of Tera and Low Health,Torkal can just bring both of them down

[smoky hawk]

https://pokepast.es/d651ed3e11ed01f5

[bold geode]

Yeah you inevitably made it harder than it had to be

[smoky hawk]

Btw, for showdown you want pressure if open team sheets. Otherwise frisk. So that depends

[solid frigate]

ok

[smoky hawk]

I see what you mean now. I'm always uneasy about eruption without TR

I think I'll change incin's wisp to snarl. Other than that, any changes necessary?

[solid frigate]

My Incineroar has Knock Off but if yours is more gear on Full Support then its fine

[bold geode]

With the HP as low as there's was, HH Eruption or even raw Eruption would've been threatening a KO somewhere

And if they focus Torkoal, it's ok anyways cuz then you get TR up for free

It was a position where either they eat the Eruption at a good amount of power or they let TR go back up, it was a heavy winning position even with the chance of low Eruption BP

Cuz even if Torkoal goes down right
Urshifu died to burn, you get TR up
Incin comes in and especially with HH, Flare Blitz in Sun kills Mane, and then you have a Ghost Incin staring you down alone that you just Knock Off into

Also Wisp on Incineroar can be alright
I know Melbourne winning team had it iirc

[smoky hawk]

I agree with that. I'll think harder about my eruptions and I certainly can't forget about HH

I fear taunt against my dusclops. I can block prankster taunt with dark tera but not other taunts

[astral sequoia]

I’ve never played an online game in 20 years of playing Pokémon. Any tips on where to start learning some strategies and basics of competitive play?

[next stump]

Are you interested in playing single or double battles?

i.e. 1v1 or 2v2 (amount of pokemon on the field at a single time)

[astral sequoia]

Probably more single battles until I get a feel for it

[solid frigate]

Ok so Smogon Singles

[next stump]

Smogon singles is on showdown, I'm guessing that they're playing in-game singles

[solid frigate]

Ok

[astral sequoia]

Yeah I’ve seen the battle sims but never tried them out because I have no idea what I’m doing. And I don’t want to waste a bunch of time and resources training Pokémon in-game if I’m not going to use them competitively. I’d like to eventually start building out some teams and playing VGC

Just don’t know where to start

[solid frigate]

VGC is mostly Doubles, while Smogon is Singles and Doubles-

[next stump]

If your eventual goal is playing VGC, then I would start with doubles even though it might be a little bit harder. There is a lot more content out there to improve and learn VGC than there is with BSS (Battle Stadium Singles, what you'd be playing)

[solid frigate]

less popular but good way to start

[astral sequoia]

Gotcha. Sounds like smogon would be a great start

[mighty stump]

Smogon is mostly singles related. You can play VGC on Showdown* which is the simulator website

They do have doubles formats

But majority of their metagames are singles

Just to remove that potential confusion

Their sets for VGC in particular are also outdated/non-relevant, there is a whole slew of VGC specific resources

[chrome knot]

@next stump dillon im a pro

i made team that across 3 tests @ 3 different peoples locals got 96cp in 1 weekend

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/ties-mijnkreft-tiesgames-gif-20063374

[bold geode]

Guys my mind is blown

[dull ibex]

honestly even wolfe's wack teams are well built and logical

some people be throwing shit together

[bold geode]

Frfr

Also sir did you see the JaySP shit?

[dull ibex]

JaySP shit?

[bold geode]

Lemme just DM you

[dull ibex]

is that one of the shitheads here?

it was

[chilly matrix]

I don't run flip turn on palafin I'll just switch to one my mons good against the mon I'm facing. So I have more variety

Flip turn can activate pokemon abilities u don't want

So it's better to just normally switch out to avoid danger

[tired sage]

this is doubles right?

[chilly matrix]

No

[tired sage]

then nevermind

[chilly matrix]

This is solo

It works for any mode

[tired sage]

btw vgc is doubles format-

[chilly matrix]

???

[dull ibex]

you play singles?

[chilly matrix]

Yea

[tired sage]

like-
4 pokemon, 2 on the field?

[cyan smelt]

If you switch out then your opponent just hard focuses that slot

[dull ibex]

I dont see paladin in singles alot

[tired sage]

it’s singles, it’s the only slot to hit

[dull ibex]

im sure they know what doubles vs singles is they play 1 pokemon on both sides

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but nobody plays singles

[chilly matrix]

.

[dull ibex]

singles is the more popular format

[tired sage]

they said they were playing vgc-

[chilly matrix]

That's what he's literally meant for

[dull ibex]

actually

[dull ibex]

the game is balancing around vgc

[chilly matrix]

Palafin is better when it's facing one mon instead of 2

[cyan smelt]

Aren't most mons

[dull ibex]

Actually palafin would be better in vgc because you can redirect attacks from it

[dull ibex]

no

palabalance with redirect went crazy

[chilly matrix]

His defense isn't really that good

He's gonna die fast prob

[gentle crag]

felixthegoofball (ID 1180636455241003099)

[Message](#general_chat message) in #general_chat
Vgc

Command triggered by stellanovita. Message from · Feb 21, 2024, 1:51 AM

[dull ibex]

right so you want to redirect attacks from it

[tired sage]

singles is not vgc

[dull ibex]

wait hold up you thought vgc was singles and are trying to educate me on what mons function better in a format

[chilly matrix]

What's vgc 😭

I play pokemon showdown....

[dull ibex]

Video Game Championships

pokemon showdown isnt a format

do you play ou?

[chilly matrix]

Ik that-

Pokemon showdown is website

[dull ibex]

vgc is the official ranked format

[chilly matrix]

For battling

[dull ibex]

the official competitive format*

its 4v4 doubles

[chilly matrix]

Yea cool

[dull ibex]

that being said palafin is not designed with singles in mind

[chilly matrix]

I ain't gotta Nintendo but I'll have one soon so I'll be able to play competitive

[dull ibex]

tbh I Dont think anything mons are with one exception

dondozo and tatsugiri are very clearly made for doubles

[chilly matrix]

Palafin is good for any mode if u know how to use it

[dull ibex]

ehhhh

[chilly matrix]

Palafin is a life saver actually

[dull ibex]

its alright it used to be better

[cyan smelt]

Ogerpon better in every way

[chilly matrix]

If u got any annoying mons on the field u need.to immediately take down jus jet punch there ass and they're gone

[dull ibex]

LMAO that wont work as well as you think

tankier mons can eat jet punches

[chilly matrix]

A 4x defense marshadow couldn't eat a jet punch and it was at 60 hp

[dull ibex]

marshadow isnt the tankiest beast around iirc

[tired sage]

well that’s cause it’s at 60 hp

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 802: Marshadow

Types

Fighting/Ghost

Abilities

Technician

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/125/80/90/90/125

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[dull ibex]

its alright

[tired sage]

80 isn’t bad

[chilly matrix]

That's because he didn't resist it or anything allowing the KO

[dull ibex]

palafin is just okay

[chilly matrix]

Palafin is like kingambit

Use him as ur last mon

[tired sage]

like gambit but garbage

[dull ibex]

no hes not lmao

hes one of the best mons in singles right now

[chilly matrix]

Gambit is slow and his sucker punch strat can easily be stalled out

[dull ibex]

and hes really good in doubles

[tired sage]

im more of an eviolite finizen enjoyer

[dull ibex]

bruh

[tired sage]

mmm…
up to reg D maybe..
but we have too many tools to shut palafin down-

i used to run palafin in vgc-

[chilly matrix]

Like?

[dull ibex]

no kingdmabit

kingambit

[tired sage]

oh

[dull ibex]

kingambit is pretty strong atm

[tired sage]

gambit is stupid strong rn

[chilly matrix]

His sucker punch strat can be easily destroyed

[dull ibex]

its strong in doubles and broken in singles

[dull ibex]

except no it cant because the people doing it account for that

[tired sage]

+2 black glasses sucker punch from gambit can ohko a tera fairy flutter

[chilly matrix]

Just use priority vs priority

[tired sage]

…

[chilly matrix]

He can't do anything to u lmao

[dull ibex]

ok i click not sucker punch

[chilly matrix]

Most kingambit users are locked into sucker punch

[dull ibex]

they're not band

[chilly matrix]

Are u sure about

[dull ibex]

so you are wrong again

yes man

[molten oasis]

I hate Palafin (the Pokémon) so I’m fine with it not being around

[chilly matrix]

Well I mean fine but. Jus saying he's easy to trick and to get around

I run close combat on my palafin and he's gonna take HELL damage from that

I can jus trick him not to use sucker punch

[tired sage]

tera :0

[chilly matrix]

It's obvious there not using sucker punch when they take more then 20 seconds to make their move

I literally count the time

I just know

[tired sage]

ok play a singles match with me i’ll bring gambit

[chilly matrix]

NO WAY ur gonna wait until to tera end game with a kingambit

[tired sage]

if it’s your ace why not?

[chilly matrix]

I usually waste my tera if I really want a mon out

Y'all are gonna regret dissing palafin so bad

[next stump]

what a pointless conversation lol, these hypotheticals will just keep going in circles

[chilly matrix]

U don't even know whats gonna happen

[chilly matrix]

Yes it's pretty dum

They're disrespecting my boy

The only unique pokemon in paldea SMH

[molten oasis]

Tf are you talking about?

[chilly matrix]

Name 1 dolphin pokemon has besides palafin

None. It's a completely different pokemon

[molten oasis]

Oh wow it’s a dolphin, that’s craaaazy

[chilly matrix]

It's unique and original

And it's a pure water type without a crazy second typing which makes him even better

[molten oasis]

So EVERY OTHER PALDEAN POKÉMON is not original or unique

[chilly matrix]

Nah not really

[molten oasis]

Ogerpon isn’t unique

Terapagos isn’t unique

[chilly matrix]

Facts

[molten oasis]

No I’m not fucking agreeing with you

[chilly matrix]

Dam bro chill I'm joking

Sheesh

[molten oasis]

Mhmm, have fun with your palafin bias

[chilly matrix]

Why do I do this to people 😭

[tired sage]

i-
i’m sorry for moving this argument to here-

[bold geode]

Wtf did I come back to

[smoky hawk]

@bold geode Would you replace lilligant's protect with upper hand?

https://pokepast.es/c382431582744404

[bold geode]

Not personally no

[smoky hawk]

Just an idea

[bold geode]

Yeah I'd just keep Protect
Like sure Upper Hand could see some usage, but I just think Protect in that slot is more valuable

[smoky hawk]

It is interesting, and not just for fake out

I'll at least test it

It hits prankster tailwind if I'm not mistaken

[bold geode]

🤷‍♂️

I mean sure

[chilly matrix]

https://marriland.com/tools/team-builder/P485mt3V45925vVx/ can someone help me find a mon to replace genesect with

[tough idol]

What's that even for?

[chilly matrix]

Showdown.

[tough idol]

There's no EVs, movesets, teras

[chilly matrix]

Ik but

Is there a better Mon for that team

Besides genesect cuz he's really BAD

[tough idol]

And there's a sub par water Mon on there

[chilly matrix]

Who

Everyone in my team have different typings

They're all balanced

[tough idol]

Palafin, I'm sure Ursh would be better

[chilly matrix]

Mega Blaziken is already a fighting type

And I don't want the same typings

And palafin is a hell lot better then ursh

ARE U BLIND DO U NOT SEE THE BST DIFFERENCE 😭

Ursh doesn't even have 600

While palafin has 650

[bold geode]

In Hero Form cough cough

[chilly matrix]

So?

[tough idol]

457 BST Palafin

[bold geode]

Urshifu does what Palafin does without having to switch out

[tough idol]

Can't hit through Protect either

[chilly matrix]

Palafin switching mechanic actually confuses players

It's a little better

[tough idol]

No it doesn't. You bring the Dolphin, I know you're gonna switch

[chilly matrix]

But do u know How I'm gonna switch or what I'm gonna switch into

U can go ahead and set up ur little stat change moves sure

[bold geode]

No

[chilly matrix]

And so what if he has to switch out? That's just mandatory

[molten oasis]

Urshifu explodes everything without switching, palafin does and you can play around it

[bold geode]

But idk how this is gonna go on so here's Tornadus getting a low taper fade

[chilly matrix]

And palafin is used to be saved anyway for emergencies

[bold geode]

Like what, falling to irrelevancy? Bit too late

[chilly matrix]

Tornados defog prankster is amazing. Tailwind too

[bold geode]

Ok you on some shit lmao

[molten oasis]

Do you play doubles or singles

[chilly matrix]

Both

[molten oasis]

…which one do you play more

[chilly matrix]

Yes that's why only the smart players use him

[bold geode]

Just curious
Do you have a doubles team with Amoongus Palafin and Incineroar?

[molten oasis]

The smart players use incineroar and urshifu

[chilly matrix]

WHO USES AMOONGUS 😭

[molten oasis]

VGC players

[bold geode]

You're a special breed y'know that

[chilly matrix]

INCINAROUR TOO?!??! OH MY GOD UR KIDDING ME

[molten oasis]

You clearly don’t play doubles

[marble coral]

only one of these is running the meta rn tho

and its not a mid dolphin

[chilly matrix]

Higher bst = better

[bold geode]

Spicy
Guess what I had today

[chilly matrix]

Palafin hero has 650 bst

[marble coral]

oh brother

[molten oasis]

No, that’s not how that works

[solid frigate]

virturally everyone.

[bold geode]

TACO TUUUUUUUEEEEESDAY

[marble coral]

i got a pub sub 😦

[solid frigate]

Its wednesday in UK ;-;

[marble coral]

i did have tacos monday tho

[chilly matrix]

I'd like to see a INCINAROUR survive palafins jet punch

[molten oasis]

Anyone participate in Tommy Tuesday’s today?

[bold geode]

It's ok
They were the dogshit Tex Mex shit

[molten oasis]

Bet

[marble coral]

easy

[bold geode]

Did u?

[solid frigate]

Easy Tera moment

[marble coral]

my friend is 3-0 rn

[bold geode]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm let's see here

[chilly matrix]

U just agreed to the worst bet of ur dam life

[cyan smelt]

Why do we always get stubborn argumentative people in here

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Choice Band Palafin Jet Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Incineroar: 236-278 (59.8 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[molten oasis]

-1 252+ Atk Mystic Water Tera-Water Palafin-Hero Jet Punch vs. 236 HP / 20 Def Incineroar: 152-180 (76 - 90%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

[solid frigate]

first time i support Incin-

[chilly matrix]

MYSTIC WATER 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I USE LIFE ORB

[bold geode]

-1 252+ Atk Mystic Water Tera-Water Palafin-Hero Jet Punch vs. 236 HP / 20 Def Incineroar: 152-180 (76 - 90%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

[marble coral]

i did 1-2 i shouldve won my r1 but misplayed in the end game of g3 by not clicking follow me

[bold geode]

Oh Drago did the same shit LMFAO

[solid frigate]

LOL

[molten oasis]

-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Tera-Water Palafin-Hero Jet Punch vs. 236 HP / 20 Def Incineroar: 166-198 (83 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery LMFAO

🫵

[marble coral]

who cares, tera does not

[chilly matrix]

Jet punch becomes a 90 damage move giving it a higher chance to KO

[tough idol]

LOL ✨️ still 2

[solid frigate]

you forgot Tera Exists-

[molten oasis]

That’s awesome

[chilly matrix]

Ik

[bold geode]

Also notice it's -1 cuz we gonna cycle that shit of course

[solid frigate]

Literally Incineroar Ran Tera Grass,Dragon

[chilly matrix]

But INCINAROUR players are dumb so they prob won't tera

[molten oasis]

No I didn’t do Tommy’s today I’m not playing rn

[molten oasis]

No they’ll switch into rillaboom and you’ll cry

[tough idol]

Those calcs aren't terad

[solid frigate]

Heck i use Tera Ghost Incineroar to Avoid Fake Outs-

[bold geode]

Bruh looking in a mirror

[marble coral]

enjoy a knock off and or parting shot to the mf face

[molten oasis]

Or wellspring

[bold geode]

Yeah free switch in LMFAO

[solid frigate]

Better than Palafin Fr

[molten oasis]

Nice jet punch too bad I redirected it

[solid frigate]

Storm Drain Tasugiri and Gastrodon

[marble coral]

palafin win rillaboom is everywhere? no thanks

[molten oasis]

Fr

[bold geode]

Hehehehe monkey

[molten oasis]

Can’t forget raging bolt

Like, have fun killing a raging bolt

[marble coral]

palafin when ursh and waterpon exist? could not be this guy

(i use moltres i can say these things)

[solid frigate]

Thunderclap be like:

[bold geode]

But it's the goat so

[molten oasis]

Frfr (just tbolt)

[bold geode]

Damn did we scare him off?

[solid frigate]

like there are so many counters to Palafin,Heck Even Meowscarada is fine if it outspeeds

[molten oasis]

Meow is okay into it yea

[marble coral]

hes running calcs

[molten oasis]

He trying to prove us wrong

[cyan smelt]

Bundle freeze dry

[bold geode]

He's crying into his Palance teddies

[solid frigate]

Choice Band Meow,Even Scarf Tera Meow is literally good for Killing Urshifu Rapid

[bold geode]

You know someone has bought an Amoongus plush

[molten oasis]

Yea, but unfortunately meow is outclassed lol

I like meow but, yea it’s okay. It doesn’t have a lot of positive mu’s

[solid frigate]

I want to make An Amogus joke but i'm not gonna do it

[molten oasis]

You just did

[bold geode]

I mean yeah
Amoongus used to fucking OHKO it with Leaf Storm

[molten oasis]

Yea I think there was a guy on stream with one

[solid frigate]

ok thats- kinda overkill for an Amoongus-

[bold geode]

Nah
No spatk investment plus it was beginning of Reg D or around Worlds of Reg D so not really at the moment

[molten oasis]

Yea, when rapid strike got to run rampant

[solid frigate]

oh-

[molten oasis]

Now raging bolt ruins its life

[solid frigate]

welp i guess that Palafin kid is cryin in the corner

[cyan smelt]

Urshifu and waterpon both have better stab

[solid frigate]

the fact he defend a pokemon who had fallen off meanwhile me already Accepted Greninja is Trash in VGC

[solid frigate]

Urshifu literally breaks Protect and always Crits,and Wellspring Ogerpon can be very tanky

[cyan smelt]

And ogerpon has a high crit ratio too

[tough idol]

In other news, I've got to Great Ball Tier 2 in Singles, using my Doubles Team, WaterFu, Hearthflame, Torn, Iron Crown, Indeedee and Glimmora

[molten oasis]

There’s so little reason to run palafin when rapid strike and the best Mon in the format (wellspring) is around

[solid frigate]

Yep-

[bold geode]

Bro I was sad when I found out I couldn't use Infernape consistently lmao

[solid frigate]

if its Reg C then its reasonable

[molten oasis]

This game is harsh on favorites

[bold geode]

I'm sorry but BSS is mindless sometimes
I played it for a week and the only thing I learned is Supreme Overlord Kingambit

[molten oasis]

Hydrapple I got to be consistent but it took a lot of work

[solid frigate]

Me who see Greninja got nerfed and Battle Bond is illegal:Depression and Acceptance

[tough idol]

@bold geode nooooo, I just got one I want to play around with lol

[bold geode]

How much for me to have

[tough idol]

You're not kidding, lost 3 games to stuff I've never even seen.

[solid frigate]

Rillaboom at least Infernape actually still have some use with the buffs he got,Nobody uses Greninja lol

[molten oasis]

Cuz it sucks

[solid frigate]

Yeah and i fully accepted

the fact froggy sucks

[bold geode]

Nope I tried bro trust
It can't

[solid frigate]

Yep RIP

[molten oasis]

Infernape just has like, nothing going for it

[solid frigate]

yeah too damn frail

sure its fast but it does not hit that hard without setups anc survivin a set up turn is hard for Infernape

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

Now once I feel ready to get back into the game I’m focusing gapdos

[solid frigate]

same with Greninja,He's even More Frail and hits less hard than Infernape,Plus HE GETS FUCKING NERFED-

[molten oasis]

I have a team concept to run that I’m excited for

Just not really playing rn

[solid frigate]

hmmmmm let the man cook

[tough idol]

Does it have Palafin in it?

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

[tough idol]

Now watch someone come from the Shadows and win EUIC with Palafin

[molten oasis]

https://pokebin.com/3381416f5bb7d63e

Here’s the gapdos team

[solid frigate]

thats very interesting

[molten oasis]

Gapdos has positive matchups into a lot of things

So I think it had a place to shine rn

[bold geode]

IS THAT WHAT I THINK IT IS

[molten oasis]

?

[bold geode]

Is that a Drago paste with Flutter Hate?

[molten oasis]

It’s temporary i didn’t know what else to put on

I considered lando i but I wanted speed control

[bold geode]

Well it touched your builder so that's what matters

[molten oasis]

I have Hearthflame here instead of wellspring cuz imo it’s better as a follow me Mon for gapdos

[solid frigate]

you def have that speed control here

[next stump]

the homie palafin swept EUIC last year he will do it again

[cyan smelt]

Should I change my kingambit's tera to fairy? I already have tera fairy farig and flutter

[molten oasis]

It’s fine

[cyan smelt]

It's currently dragon

[molten oasis]

Fairy

[solid frigate]

Fairy would say is better

[tired sage]

me omw to win vancouver with a palafin

[solid frigate]

but why do i think Dragon is fine as well cuz it already has Iron Head moment

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[molten oasis]

You guys have any suggestions?

I think I’m gonna start playing with the team tomorrow

[solid frigate]

Incin is fine,infact thats literally the same Incineroar i use

others are also fine as well

could flutter mane be Tera Steel or Water?

[tired sage]

lefties prim is interesting

[molten oasis]

Suggestion from a friend, it pairs well with wellspring

[solid frigate]

Usually Throat Spray,but i guess lefties for Longevity

[molten oasis]

And finished a full fwg trio

[tired sage]

mhm-
i looks cool :0

[molten oasis]

Thank you

[solid frigate]

the Tera Type On Mane can be Steel or Water,The reason why Water is just for Defensive options

[molten oasis]

Fairy is just a nuke option if needed

[solid frigate]

i mean true

wait does Tera Water Mane able to tank Urshifu?

[molten oasis]

Yes

But booster speed flutter beats shifu

[solid frigate]

oh ok

eh i can consider that as an Alternative

i don't really see that much Water Tera Manes

[mighty stump]

Might as well also go Tera Grass if you’re searching for a Watershifu resist

Bonus anti-Spore/Rage Powder

[wicked moon]

How is my pvp team for casual battles?

Iron leaves
Miraidon
Eternatus
Regilekei
Baxcalibur
Terapagos

[merry tartan]

Here's the team, still inconclusive about the tera types.

What do you think? The team is a reference to the character, Roxas, from the Kingdom Hearts series.

Just visualize the Razor Claw as the Covert Cloak for Umbreon.

Pokémon Weaknesses:
Kingambit: Fighting (x4), Fire, Groud (x2) - Dark/Steel
Gardevoir: Poison, Ghost, Steel (x2) - Psychic/Fairy
Hydreigon: Fairy (x4), Dragon, Ice, Fighting, Bug (x2) - Dark/Dragon
Mimikyu: Ghost, Steel (x2) - Ghost/Fairy
Umbreon: Fighting, Fairy, Bug (x2) - Dark
Sylveon: Poison, Steel (x2) - Fairy

I need your Tera type help for these Pokemon, please.

[rose ruin]

hey guys i need some dragonite help

[mighty stump]

Being honest, these sets are mostly suboptimal

What format is this for?

[merry tartan]

VGC Regulation F.

[knotty mirage]

Most of those mon let just say power creeped in this reg the only thing that still usable is gambit mimikyu and probably sylveon

[solid frigate]

i need the team sheets.

but tbf

one trick room team is able to ruin this team-

Miraidon and Eleki are too Fast

[wheat geode]

Was gholdengo + Steely Spirit perrserker support a thing

[karmic temple]

Only in raids

[wheat geode]

sad but not surprised

[timber dome]

what do you think https://pokepast.es/57eeeba006060e70

[crimson flume]

Finally master! That was not easy....

[molten oasis]

Scizor+perrserkwr was

Not gholdengo tho

[crimson flume]

Psyspam was somehow able to obliterate dongiri.

I thought it was a loss already since I had 0 mons that had unaware or haze.

PC is not at home and its hard to do everything on my phone. Will share pokepaste this weekend. So far, had the most success with crown-dee and dee-koal. I guess I should build my team around those 3.

[crimson flume]

This is my team now...

I had to edit my team a dozen times lol.

32W 34L

[next stump]

congrats on master ball 🙂

everyone starts somewhere, don’t stress too much about the winrate

[crimson flume]

Thanks Dillon!

[real prairie]

GG mate, welcome to the club 💪

[autumn vault]

congratulations!!

[upbeat quail]

So I just got a shiny Bisharp. What build should my kingambit be? And what are some notable teams with it?

[molten oasis]

Gouging fire+kingmabit is pretty good

[autumn vault]

sucker punch kowtow cleave protect swords dance tera dark is a good set, if not replace S dance for iron head and replace tera dark with tera ghost

[molten oasis]

You can do assault vest black glasses or safety goggles

[crimson flume]

Just realized. I have been crippling my own defense with Chien Pao in my team....

Seems I am back to the drawing board.

[autumn vault]

lone chien-pao is not really that good imo

[crimson flume]

Yea.

[crimson flume]

Kingambit is a nightmare for anyone doing psyspam lol.

[autumn vault]

maybe gambit

[autumn vault]

this team has 2 darks

i think 2 repeats is fine but not reccomended but gambit for pao

[crimson flume]

2 repeats? You mean same typing?

[autumn vault]

yes

[upbeat quail]

So for a kingambit build spread would max attack and max HP be the best choice?

[crimson flume]

Hypnosis is so annoying.

I lost from a double hypnosis awhile ago.

[autumn vault]

oof

[crimson flume]

Seems I need electric terrain.

[autumn vault]

E-Terrain is not necesary

taunt is just better

[crimson flume]

Im gonna arrange stuff in my showdown once I get my laptop back from the service center.

Apparently what I have on my phone is a different save despite using the same account.

[autumn vault]

i have the same issue

[molten oasis]

Not necessarily

Kingmabit isn’t good into armarouge

[autumn vault]

Arma has like 1.52% usage

[molten oasis]

It’s still a psyspam option

[autumn vault]

you only have to worry about crown and hatterene mostly (arma is still threatening just not as much)

[molten oasis]

Crown run focus blast or Tera blast ground/water

If it hits it beats gambit

Incin is a generally better psyspam answer

Kingmabit is also good, and wellspring

[chilly matrix]

Can someone help me find a mon that will fit for my team

[next stump]

sure, post the pokepaste

[autumn vault]

i want some team opinions on a team i have but not now

https://pokepast.es/1185103b6be31b8b well here it is

[molten oasis]

So

With raging bolt

I think you do either no dragon stab, no protect, or no tclap

You want tbolt on cm raging bolt

Snarl and parting shot seems kinda redundant on incin, I think knock off would be better over snarl

[autumn vault]

i see

[molten oasis]

Or parting shot whatever works

[autumn vault]

honestly maybe snarl would get replaced

shot is on every incin ever

[molten oasis]

I don’t think fluttermane ever needs to be 252 timid

[autumn vault]

why

just curious

[molten oasis]

Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 220 HP / 132 Def / 36 SpA / 4 SpD / 116 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Moonblast
• Dazzling Gleam
• Thunderbolt something like this would be better, maybe timid nature

[molten oasis]

There’s nothing of notable use that is THAT fast, and if it’s scarf it’s faster

[autumn vault]

i see

[molten oasis]

You speed creep ogerpon at max imo and then invest in bulk and spA

[autumn vault]

i see

[molten oasis]

Tera flying is fair on weezing so I won’t say anything there

[autumn vault]

3x ground weaknesses are not that good

[molten oasis]

Just play around it

You got ogerpon

Id assume gigas gets ice punch

So you could also do that

[autumn vault]

i see

a bit late of a reply but i see

[molten oasis]

All good dw about it

[autumn vault]

also would gouging fire be good? it has b-swipe to lower attack and do what incin does without needing an ability (neutralizing gas blocks intimidate) and counters A-Muk better

also high horsepower and rock slide over ice punch for gigas

ice punch is worse than both imo

[knotty mirage]

Is running tera fighting tera blast iron crown a good idea ?

[next stump]

i think running a more defensive tera like water and just running focus blast would be better, despite its bad accuracy

[knotty mirage]

Yeah i'm not using focus miss

[next stump]

committing a tera and a moveslot just to hit kingambit and incin is tough

[molten oasis]

Uhm

[tough idol]

I've been getting decent results with Tera Ground Crown, but debating the water switch

[knotty mirage]

So is terra water terra blast better then ?

[molten oasis]

Probably rock slide

[autumn vault]

why specifically?

[molten oasis]

I like incin a little more here

[next stump]

I think so, and that's why most iron crown teams also carry either Urshifu or Torkoal to pressure Kingambit

[molten oasis]

You get the same kind of offensive pressure from it

Just not spread, not that that would hit very hard

[knotty mirage]

Can blood moon work too ?

[autumn vault]

i see

rock helps against flying but so does ice

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[next stump]

Blood moon could work yeah, it's just kinda awkward to bring both Iron Crown and Blood Moon to a match because one wants TR up and the other doesn't

[autumn vault]

Rock-type attacks are strong against: Flying, Bug, Fire and Ice-type Pokémon while Ice-type moves are super effective against Dragon-, Flying-, Grass-, and Ground-type Pokémon. Honestly both are pretty situational

my team struggles against ground

[molten oasis]

So does ice

Ice sounds better for you ngl

[autumn vault]

it seems ice might be better

https://pokepast.es/6a5756aa311a434c changes are made

[molten oasis]

Looks solid

[autumn vault]

it really does

well looks like i will make my shiny flutter mane built like the one in the pokepaste

and change wellspring's evs (in-game)

[knotty mirage]

I actually ran trick room iron crown my iron crown doesn't have speed investment

[molten oasis]

Why?

Wouldn’t you want to run high speed on crown

[autumn vault]

every trick room team needs a fast one incase of no trick room

crown fits the bill

[knotty mirage]

Isn't scarf drago already enough for it tho

[autumn vault]

what drago? regidrago or dragonite?

i will guess regidrago

[knotty mirage]

It's regidrago who run scarf on nite

[autumn vault]

i see

dont get me wrong you already have a fast pokemon and its ok to not run speed ev's on crown but its meant to be fast

2 fast ones although isn't that great for a trick room team can still be useful when you don't want to use tr

[knotty mirage]

Hmm i'll think about it

[autumn vault]

just test it and see the results of it

the best way to settle a choice

[next stump]

even with 0SPE EVs and Quiet nature and 20IV (pretty sure it can't be lower than 20), you're only 98 Speed Stat with Iron Crown

[autumn vault]

you can't lower its iv's lower than 20

[next stump]

which is pretty fast to be a trick room sweeper... Ursaluna underspeeds, Iron Hands, Incineroar, some Raging Bolt, etc.

[autumn vault]

20 is the lowest

[molten oasis]

Bro my best item is eject pack

(I’m well aware you’re talking about the regi)

[echo hatch]

Recently finished building this team in game for my first comp season, pls tell me the reason I’m struggling to exit great ball tier is my own stupidity and not the team lol

https://pokepast.es/080d2a10599e98a2

[molten oasis]

Draco meteor over pulse imo, but otherwise yea it’s not the team

psychic over psyshock on Fari

Psychic just does more damage

[echo hatch]

I’ve been debating that for so long, I hate using meteor sometimes because I want Bolt to be out for a good few turns usually and don’t wanna deal with the stat drop but yeah probably just better for finishing games

[molten oasis]

Then click snarl/tbolt

[echo hatch]

For sure, that’s what he does most often

[molten oasis]

Are you losing to meta things or like, CTS cheese

[smoky hawk]

Yes, only use d pulse if running calm mind

[echo hatch]

I would say I find the most issue against meta stuff like Waterpon and Flutter but I think my lack of knowledge especially on common stat spreads and speed tiers is contributing to that a lot

[molten oasis]

That’s okay

[smoky hawk]

Despite bolt's great sp atk, d pulse does pitiful damage without calm mind

[molten oasis]

I saw an av bolt (mine) explode to a Tera fairy flutter

That was sad

Cuz i thought I did the calcs to survive it

I still won cuz a Mon I’m running (that’s underrated) is pog

[echo hatch]

Thinking the calc will save you is the worst feeling when it hits wrong or crit comes out

[molten oasis]

220 SpA Choice Specs Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 116 HP / 108 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt: 216-256 (100.4 - 119%) -- guaranteed OHKO sigh I hate this thing

[echo hatch]

So cringe

[molten oasis]

Why is flutter real

[echo hatch]

Thankfully I don’t know the useful calcs for my team so I don’t have that problem yet lmao

[molten oasis]

You should

[echo hatch]

OHHH I should swap lefties for vest on bolt I think

[molten oasis]

No vest is fine

I feel ya do lefties, when you have lots of support around it

You don’t necessarily have that here

[echo hatch]

No I meant I have lefties on, maybe should swap for vest?

[molten oasis]

Oh it’s lefties right now?

[echo hatch]

Because yeah he’s been dying early

[molten oasis]

Yea give it av

[echo hatch]

Word

[molten oasis]

I think av Tera fairy bolt is in a great spot rn

[echo hatch]

I absolutely love its bulk, and on a flex TR team is so useful

[molten oasis]

Raging bolt is prob my go to av user rn

Rilla being second

[echo hatch]

I like how good it is on Arch but I fucking hate playing against it

[molten oasis]

Anyway, yea av is better on bolt. Give it Draco over pulse. Fari wants psychic not Psyshock

[echo hatch]

Very good swaps I like it

[molten oasis]

Did you build this team yourself or get it from like a rental or something?

[echo hatch]

It was kind of a mashup of two TR teams I saw on TopCut from recent regionals

Like half of one team half of another, both were TR or Flex TR

[tired sage]

psychic and psyshock are interchangeable though

[autumn vault]

True

But psychic is honently saffer

[echo hatch]

For the most part it seems yeah, I think shock is just for surprise extra damage against stuff with big SPDF

Psychic is just a little more damage across the board

[autumn vault]

Shock only helps when the pokemon is av or has more special bulk

[echo hatch]

^

[tired sage]

no i know-
but both have their own uses is what i’m trying to say

[echo hatch]

This is also why I don’t actually know the calcs or anything yet,
I didn’t do any of the legitimate team building myself

[tired sage]

you should prop do basic calcs to understand the team in terms of bulk :>

using the spreads that you have ofc

cause even if the spreads aren’t yours, it helps to understand what’s going on

[echo hatch]

Yeah for sure I plan to actually study some of the calcs that seem to come up most often and figure out how speed tiers work and stuff, I knew that would hold me back but I wanted to try things out first to see how it felt

[tired sage]

i was someone who said fuck all and didn’t do calcs-
but…
i was kinda forced to do calcs cause one of my team members was a literal glass cannon-

[echo hatch]

Yeah it’s tough with mons like flutter where the calcs matter a lot for survival especially in the ditto

[molten oasis]

I just think psychic is better

[autumn vault]

me too

but psyshock is sometimes better

[molten oasis]

Fair

[tired sage]

i had to calc resisted hits
calcing SE hits just isn’t gonna work for this pokemon…

[molten oasis]

Good to get ideas from the pros

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 815: Cinderace

Type

Fire

Abilities

Blaze, Libero (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/116/75/65/75/119

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[tired sage]

[molten oasis]

Ass stats

It’s speed is solid, that’s it

[tired sage]

thus the reason why i calced resisted hits-

[molten oasis]

I bet it dies to flutter

[tired sage]

actually no-
i made a spread so that it doesn’t die to flutter

[molten oasis]

Ah, so it needed a spread lmao

[echo hatch]

Put that thing back where it came from or so help me

[molten oasis]

Nice reference

[tired sage]

mhm-

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/monstersinc-sully-mike-door-put-that-thing-back-gif-4553929

(Best Pixar movie fucking fight me)

[tired sage]

two variants, one with hands:
https://pokepast.es/dc15e720dec1eeba

and one with rilla:
https://pokepast.es/9880577b606e74dc

[molten oasis]

I personally have a soft spot for Luca but, Monsters Inc is peak

[tired sage]

the team itself actually isn’t bad-
but cinderace is garbage

[molten oasis]

Yea

[autumn vault]

you have a very good taste in movies (imo its amazing)

[molten oasis]

Unfortunately starters kinda blow unless you’re incin or rillaboom

[molten oasis]

It is, so many memorable moments

[tired sage]

yeah-
but i like the feel of that team-
just don’t bring ace and im good ig-

[molten oasis]

Lmao, that sucks

[autumn vault]

Cinderace was only good in the non-legends meta in swsh

[tired sage]

and i’m running sd follow me ivy cudgel horn leech instead-

[autumn vault]

then the DLC came in and rillaboom became way better

[molten oasis]

Wait no spiky shield?

[molten oasis]

Rillaboom did not really need grassy glide but at least it got nerfed, so it feels manageable

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-shook-shocked-gif-13010143

no spiky shield?!

[molten oasis]

I can hear that image

[tired sage]

mhm-
not really much of a need cause it’s a bulkier pon with less offense, and they’ve got other pokemon to worry about than ogerpon-

[autumn vault]

its Sully, Boo's kidnapper no. 1 savior

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[molten oasis]

So, just imo

You do swords dance or follow me

I dont think both is a good idea

[autumn vault]

back to subject honestly spiky shield is honestly better than sd on wellspring

[tired sage]

i know having a protect is better-
but like….
i’m lacking so much offense otherwise

[molten oasis]

So, honestly

Ogerpon hits hard no matter what

[tired sage]

and i don’t wanna rely on cindy…
plus they usually target down someone else-

[molten oasis]

Isn’t Cindy the focus?

[autumn vault]

don't worry it seems better sd than for the average wellspring but no protection still hurts it

[tired sage]

with 44atk and a non atk boosting nature?

[molten oasis]

I ran 4

[autumn vault]

tera water ivy cudgel

[molten oasis]

It still hit shit so hard

Tera water/fire ivy cudgel hurts so much

[tired sage]

mhm-
but a cindy centric team isn’t gonna happen all the time

[autumn vault]

especially fire

[tired sage]

where i always bring cindy

[echo hatch]

Ivy cudgel is a poison for the video game

[autumn vault]

i am a Hogerpon (H for hearthflame) believer since day 1 but its so hard to fit it in a team

incin entei gouging fire chi-yu, its a lot of very good fires

[molten oasis]

Can I see it again?

[tired sage]

^^

[molten oasis]

Quilfish?

Why?

[tired sage]

idk-
i’m gonna replace that slot-
at the time i was feeling quirky and wanted an eviolite mon

[molten oasis]

Yea drop it lmao

Add like, single strike or lando i

[tired sage]

but like having no weaknesses but ground is interesting-

[autumn vault]

Quilfish is quirky so keep it Its a trash pick honestly

[molten oasis]

Yea, unfortunately it and Overquil suck

If you want to use niche picks it needs a real purpose, I don’t see a good purpose here

[tired sage]

yeah thanks for your opinion-
i already know it’s garbage-

[molten oasis]

Here gimme 1 second

[tired sage]

i mean it takes like-
20something % from a wicked blow-

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/50b50636616bfc81 so like with this team

Everything has a purpose

[tired sage]

yeah that’s fair

[molten oasis]

Hydra great yawn support, Grimm great for screens, lando t had good synergy, volcarona is a great set up sweeper, bolt is super tanky and hits hard, and then gholdengo is goated per usual

I have it more typed out in the rental

[tired sage]

dunno-
tbf-
you’re talking to someone who tried to run eviolite stellar tera contrary servine

[molten oasis]

But yea, everything there that’s more niche as a role

[autumn vault]

Can't forget lando-T serves as a compressed role of lando-I and incin

[molten oasis]

It’s good to experiment

[tired sage]

lando-T is dead-

[molten oasis]

Just don’t have super high expectations

[tired sage]

incin just does its job 10000000% better

[molten oasis]

Yea so like Wolfe said in a recent video

Incin takes its job

[autumn vault]

but incin is supportive, Lando-T is offensive

[tired sage]

yeah that’s fair.
i feel like for me, i like to experiment with stupid things.

[molten oasis]

If incin is here there’s not nearly as good of a reason to run lando t

Incin is usually added for intimidate, like lando t

[tired sage]

in swsh there was a reason and that was max airstream-

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[tired sage]

having that speed boost helped a lot

now it doesn’t get max airstream- so-

[molten oasis]

Btw lando t is still good, it’s a very viable option

It struggles with incin existing

[tired sage]

incin does it better but yeah lando T is still good

[autumn vault]

i used lando-T in 2 of my 10+ teams, its still a good pick

[molten oasis]

Absolutely

I like scarf lando t a lot

[autumn vault]

Clear amulet kills incin very easily

[molten oasis]

But like, let’s be honest

[autumn vault]

i prefer AV lando-T

[molten oasis]

Without Tera it loses to a lot of the meta

[autumn vault]

yup

[tired sage]

yeah

[autumn vault]

wellspring and watershifu hurt it a lot

[molten oasis]

Which is odd considering it’s an amazing typing

[autumn vault]

and corv is seeing usage just to counter lando-I

[molten oasis]

But at the same time, what do you do when all the scarf things are faster than it

[molten oasis]

Corv is so good

[autumn vault]

both are valid

[molten oasis]

Corv is like, I’m playing with it rn

It’s so tanky I love it

[tired sage]

corb is great-

[autumn vault]

i think corv is a good pick, just that there are other body press iron defense users that compete with it

[molten oasis]

Pfff

Just tw roost support

[tired sage]

mirror armor is so good-
and support corb is much better

[burnt marsh]

Skarmory always had great typing, just not the stats and abilities for it to be as good as corvi

[autumn vault]

i recommend to use corv when lando-I is a huge problem or have the flying and steel type available (also can be a great wall to some annoying ass threats)

[tired sage]

brave bird tw roost (and whatever)

[molten oasis]

Iron head

[tired sage]

i was about to say-
new paradox pokemon dropped-?

[molten oasis]

Nice flutter idiot, eat a spA drop

[tired sage]

iron heat through-

[autumn vault]

iron heat 🤣

[molten oasis]

Nice torn idiot, eat a speed drop

[autumn vault]

crop?

[molten oasis]

I can’t type Jesus

[tired sage]

i knowww

[burnt marsh]

It still hurts me to this day watching torns try to taunt dark types on low ladder

[autumn vault]

nice torn idiot, eat a speed crop 🤣🤣🤣🤣 (still laughing)

[molten oasis]

Nice intimidate nerd, eat a attack drop

Anyway

[autumn vault]

nice eerie impulse, eat a sp. attack drop

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[tired sage]

wh-
that still exists?

[molten oasis]

Yea but like, corv is actually in a good spot rn

[autumn vault]

it is

[molten oasis]

Lando i and Bloodmoon wall

[autumn vault]

Blood Moon has honestly always been better than normal ursa change my mind (not in terms of meta)

[molten oasis]

Weeelllll

They’re situational, Bloodmoon and regular both have dedicated partners

[burnt marsh]

They both excel in different places normal Ursaluna has more trouble because physical attack is harder to run right now in my opinion

[smoky hawk]

My new TR team is very consistent:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2064462559

[molten oasis]

If the meta didn’t have, incin lmao, it bet better

[burnt marsh]

Yeah this

[molten oasis]

Bloodmoon isn’t really threaten by spA drops much

[burnt marsh]

I just get tired of directly calling out the cat

[molten oasis]

Well, dw

[burnt marsh]

[molten oasis]

It’s not going away, anytime soon

If anything it rises in the next format

[autumn vault]

i get tired of calling out fucker mane flutter mane

[molten oasis]

Oh, flutter will, somewhat die, in usage next reg (if it’s restricted)

[tired sage]

restricted….

[molten oasis]

mhmm

[autumn vault]

speed boost from sun

[tired sage]

mmmm…
flutter will still be around for sure but maybe she’ll go missing like hands…

[molten oasis]

Yea, it’ll be a sun Mon

[burnt marsh]

It's not that I hate it it's just one of those questions where if you ask for a Pokemon you should add to your team they will probably say incin without thinking if you don't have it already

[autumn vault]

honestly if zacian gets it killed i swear i will actually love zacian

[molten oasis]

It won’t be everywhere

[tired sage]

true

[molten oasis]

Behemoth blade always ohkos

[tired sage]

girl is overrated anyways

[molten oasis]

I already cooked a concept duo

Wellspring+swords dance zac

[tired sage]

wasn’t it zacian and wellspring-?

[autumn vault]

true, once i made a team for some showdown players to see, they reccomended incin (i had entei in the team) and then gouging, they are stupid ngl

[tired sage]

:0
i’m late ;-;

[burnt marsh]

You'll be like what Pokemon should I add to this rain team? And they'll be like incineroar?

[molten oasis]

Lmfso

Yea remember guys

[autumn vault]

or flutter

[molten oasis]

Incin regularly fought kyogre

Incin is, kinda nuts

[tired sage]

i wanna cook up an a9 kyurem form team…

[molten oasis]

UNFORTUNATELY i think the best Mon in the format will be caly

[tired sage]

tbf-
back then incin would run shuca for max quake-

[molten oasis]

There’s is little to nothing stoping it from existing

[tired sage]

booster speed flutter might be fast enough-

[molten oasis]

Yes until it’s paired with indeedee

[tired sage]

right

[molten oasis]

Then what do you do

[autumn vault]

i want to make a team with zekrom (my fave legend)

[tired sage]

shadow psyspam….

[autumn vault]

dont care about miraidon

[molten oasis]

I know fucking die

[burnt marsh]

You think kuyrem fusions will see usage since it can shed its not so great typing?

[molten oasis]

Kyurem White+A9 is something I plan to experiment with

[tired sage]

as much as i like to play psyspam-
i think im gonna quit vgc if shadow reaches top-

[autumn vault]

and for black kyurem it finally gets an always usable ice stab (tera blast) but tera ice is so bad

[molten oasis]

But like, that’s it

[molten oasis]

Well, guess you will then lmfao

It’s that or terapagos or miraidon will be at the top

[tired sage]

kyurem black is a physical attacker right?
loaded dice dd icicle spear with veil a9

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-shook-shocked-gif-13010143

[molten oasis]

Here’s the thing

Kyurem white is better lmao

[burnt marsh]

Just Miradon next to a team of soak spammers

[tired sage]

i know but zekrom needs rep too-

[molten oasis]

…

Idt zekrom is very good

[autumn vault]

dont care, zekrom is zekrom and i will make it work (i dont care about miraidon or bolt)

[molten oasis]

It’s outclassed by both bolt and miraidon

[molten oasis]

That’s totally fair I feel ya, I spent a month on Hydrapple

Also, I think like

Rillaboom and Incin stonks in restricted

[tired sage]

but-
first things first,
i need to make-
an achu miraidon team

[molten oasis]

Rilla cuz of miraidon, incin cuz of chi+caly

[autumn vault]

dongiri will die in the restricted meta

[molten oasis]

Good I fucking hate dozo

[tired sage]

tera dark dozogiri

[molten oasis]

I hate it, so much

[autumn vault]

i love my donbozo

[tired sage]

dozogiri is fucking boring and shit-

[molten oasis]

It’s my least favorite archetype rn

[autumn vault]

why do you hate it? It's a very funny looking mon

[molten oasis]

I hate what it does

[autumn vault]

fair

[tired sage]

you can turn your brain off and play dozogiri-

[next stump]

there are 2 people at my locals who run dozo every tournament

[molten oasis]

Like, it’s not hard to beat it

[next stump]

super annoying lol

[molten oasis]

But it’s just, ugh

[tired sage]

you just shut off your brain and mash buttons mindlessly

[molten oasis]

It’s lame and doesn’t engage great playing, there’s great dozo players

[tired sage]

that’s true-

[molten oasis]

Like, there are, but it’s a win con Mon

you kill the threats then throw dozo out

[autumn vault]

with giri

[molten oasis]

Then win cuz you can’t do anything

[molten oasis]

Bruh that’s lame

They don’t use anything else?

[autumn vault]

In reg A they ran murkrow to counter it

[molten oasis]

Reg a sucked but that was kinda hilarious

[autumn vault]

and it was funny seeing Wolfe complain about it

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[autumn vault]

It was healthy meta

[molten oasis]

I think, like

Id say enjoy this regulation

[autumn vault]

Most of us do

[molten oasis]

Super flexible and generally fun format

[autumn vault]

those who complain about reg F are dumb

[molten oasis]

Restricted will still be fun but it’ll probably kill some of the flexibility

[tired sage]

restricted will be fun but there’s gonna be so many OP mons coming back-

specs tera water waterspout in the rain with tw torn…
a tera’d specs tornogre…

[autumn vault]

DON'T

[burnt marsh]

Terra ghost or covert cloak lilligant next to eruption Groudon

Lol just to piss em off

[tired sage]

eruption kyogre in the rain

[burnt marsh]

ikik

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 382: Kyogre

Type

Water

Abilities

Drizzle

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/90/150/140/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Kyogre-Primal

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[burnt marsh]

Sorry I have my kids crying over some bs can't think rn

[molten oasis]

Lmao

Tbh tho

Wellspring and Miraidon kinda give Kyogre a hard time

[autumn vault]

so?

[tired sage]

true

[molten oasis]

Wdym so

Kyogre always ohkos it

[autumn vault]

that kyogre wont be stopped by those 2

[molten oasis]

I mean, miraidon always Ohkos it

[autumn vault]

tera water scarf tailwind

[molten oasis]

No I’m not saying it’s gonna be dead

[molten oasis]

And kill it with what?

Ice beam? It has amazing natural bulk

[autumn vault]

chien pao's ice spinner

or use chi-yu (bad idea) and then use ice beam

[molten oasis]

I bet it still lives

[autumn vault]

but chi-yu kyogre is a shitty idea

[molten oasis]

With specs kyogre

[tired sage]

i’m thinking mienshao might be back cause of role compression against caly….

[burnt marsh]

Does Kyogre get to a horn Leech on grassy terrain? Or horn Leech in any other scenario?

[molten oasis]

Just incin lmao

[molten oasis]

It’s physical defense isn’t as good so, maybe?

Kyogre can’t touch wellspring

[tired sage]

it gets wide guard-
incin does not but mienshao also has inner focus-

[tired sage]

^^

[molten oasis]

It’s stab is ignored and ice beam would only be like, decent damage

[tired sage]

thunder tera electric kyogre in the rain alongside miraidon

[burnt marsh]

I was about to say I think it just gets deleted and then countered by both its ability and it's typing

[molten oasis]

Yea, kyogre can’t run as rampant

It’ll be around

Like torn kyogre will be good

[tired sage]

but there will be things outclassing it

[autumn vault]

dont forget kyogre gets thunder so it can abuse it under rain

[molten oasis]

Miraidon+wellspring is a nightmare into kyogre lol

[burnt marsh]

About the only thing you can do consistently is be like I'm going to press water spout and knock out their partner even if they use follow me

[tired sage]

that’s what i said
we run tera electric kyogre with thunder next to miraidon

[molten oasis]

Wellspring be like ”oh no, anyway”