competitive_discussion

[tough idol]

Alex Soto

[bold geode]

He just bred his eggs real good bro

[tough idol]

Perma ban from all Play Pokemon events

[timber falcon]

Oh damn

[mighty stump]

Either way, unfortunate situation all around.

TPCI needs to be more transparent

Len didnt need to make a dumb joke, albeit understandable why he made a joke

TPCI didn't need to dole out a permaban

But did need to send out some sort of punishment

[tough idol]

They'll likely reduce it like they did Gavin Michael's (is that right guy)

[next stump]

yes that’s the right guy

[tough idol]

6 days until D Day

[mighty stump]

is it tho

jk

[tall sequoia]

Did you get ptsd

[tough idol]

The do I get a place at EUIC day then have to find a new team

Also wanna draw Wolfe Rd1 if I get in.v

Get absolutely wrecked

[tall sequoia]

Legion wanna 1v1

[next stump]

you gotta go to the pop-up pokémon center at EUIC

[tough idol]

Not at home atm

[tall sequoia]

Oh ok

[tough idol]

Already planning on it, gonna be a broke ass bitch by Sunday afternoon

[next stump]

LOL that’s the way to do it

[bold geode]

What did Gavin Michaels do?

[next stump]

so much good stuff there

[tough idol]

Tweeted out telling ppl how to get past the Hackchecks

Got a 3 Yr ban, appealed, reduced to 1

[bold geode]

OOF

[tough idol]

Not taking a plush down with me, will buy a new one. I don't have a lucky one yet, since I went 3-6 🤣

[next stump]

I feel that hard

I definitely have lucky and unlucky plush

[tough idol]

2rd disconnect and SD loss when I had Game 2 otherwise
Then Rd3 Double Sandsear, Bleakwind miss

[real prairie]

We went to the one for London Worlds and spent almost a grand and then ending up buying what we couldnt get off ebay 🤣

my son has one of the skateboards signed by the artist though so thats cool

[tough idol]

Bidoof plush failed. Mini Groudon got me my 3 lmao 🤣 that and the guy who tried to Prio spam into my P Terrain for 4 turns in a row

[real prairie]

also @tough idol London is apparently getting a permanent pokemon centre towards the end of the year

[tough idol]

Nah

It's this

[real prairie]

nah supposedly one in either westfield or bluewater for christmas time

[tough idol]

I may try get in Thursday before Registration, then maybe Saturday once I'm out 🤣 before side events

[tough idol]

Ooh, Xmas London trip lol 😆

[mighty stump]

Oh shit?

I'm applying to Bedford

So im only a trainride away

If i get accepted

[real prairie]

GL

hope you get your placement, pokemon centre or otherwise

[mighty stump]

Its a veterinarian job

[real prairie]

Nice, pokemon trainer by night, realmon doctor by day

[tough idol]

Hmm retail manager = PokeCentre,

[real prairie]

?

[karmic temple]

When will Texas get a Pokémon center

[real prairie]

more chance of texas getting pokemon

[tough idol]

Making a joke about me applying to work at the Pokecentre lol

[mighty stump]

-calc 139x2.25

[gentle crag]

Result: 312.750000

[mighty stump]

-calc 342/2

[gentle crag]

Result: 171.000000

[real prairie]

is it faster for you to do that here as opposed to a calculator on your phone or are you doing it to peak our interest? lol

[mighty stump]

Its faster to do it here

My phone is occupied with a call to my partner

But in case you're wondering, I was calculating the speed tiers and thinking about re-using Great Tusk when restricted meta comes.

[tough idol]

I liked using Tusk

[autumn vault]

Never used tusk

[real prairie]

i enjoyed tusk for a little while, used it in my playthrough aswell

[autumn vault]

I have a shiny tusk from last week

[real prairie]

obviously the titan marked one 😉

[real prairie]

in what team?

[tough idol]

I'm hoping Miraidon gets loose

[autumn vault]

Same

[mighty stump]

Koraidon

[real prairie]

Lando goes brrr

[autumn vault]

Miraidon will be super broken

Parabolic charge in ele terrain with hadron engine is stupid

[mighty stump]

In what universe would you ever run Parabolic charge when Electro Drift exists

[mighty stump]

Also Miraidon has Flutter Mane level stats with more bulk

[autumn vault]

Bulky one

[mighty stump]

Just go for KOs

[autumn vault]

Flutter mane might finally die in reg G

Zacian and calyrex shadow exist

Calyrex shadow can just run scarf

I hate it like Wolfe Glick hate for xerneas

[real prairie]

Calyrex be allowed?

[autumn vault]

In reg G

Or reg H

[mighty stump]

You know Flutter Mane can live Astral Barrage right

Like you're aware of this

[autumn vault]

Wait what

[mighty stump]

lol

[autumn vault]

I have to go do calcs

[mighty stump]

You're talking about one of the most min-maxxed mons in existence dying off

[tough idol]

Probably absolutely wrong here but brainstorm

Scarf Timid Miraidon, Tera Water/Grass. Tera Blast? Or bad idea

[mighty stump]

Tera Water leaves you vulnerable to opposing Miradions

And I feel your coverage having 2 immunities, one on each STAB, makes Choice locking feel poorly

[tough idol]

Ah yh, I tunneled on Lando MU

[autumn vault]

Not dying off like 50% to 0.1%, more like top 30 or something

Not number 1

[mighty stump]

Best tip I can say is calc for the considered 1v1s to just be aware of your calcs, but don't look at team interactions within a vacuum

[tough idol]

Mira does have same base Speed as Flutter too

Unless I'm blind

[mighty stump]

It does

So does Koraidon

[autumn vault]

Modest calyrex with astral barrage ohkos, timid wont

[mighty stump]

0 bulk Flutter, sure.

[autumn vault]

Asuming 0 hp and 0 sp defense

[mighty stump]

But Flutters run bulk

and even 0 bulk Flutters cna just Tera

So, moot point

[real prairie]

ive been murdering them for fun with lando 🤷‍♂️ , lunala on the other hand has been an issue for my rain team

slow stall out killing it with Arch

[mighty stump]

DUbers is non reflective of the VGC metagame

Miraidon can also OHKO Lando-I pretty easily

[real prairie]

draco meteor?

[mighty stump]

Again, in 1v1 hypotheticals in can just go in circles that's why it's not a good idea to ever consider a vacuum PoV

Draco, even Dragon Pulse has a weighted chance to OHKO Lando-I with no bulk

[tough idol]

How many restricted are you usually allowed on a team? Not played that format

[mighty stump]

1

Then aftewards, 2

[tough idol]

Gouging or Bolt for my next team? Time to leave PsySpam I think

[mighty stump]

Flip a coin

If yo don't like the choice, go for the other one

[tough idol]

I do want to use the Lax, but I suck at slower teams

[real prairie]

i feel like its quoted in scrubs but i cant remember

[mighty stump]

Did

Someone say

Snorlax

https://tenor.com/view/snorlax-reverse-boring-i-sleep-gif-19412357

https://pokepast.es/794ca9d79efa965f My gift to you

Everytime to ladder shifted I shoved it back into top 500

x3

[upbeat quail]

https://pokepast.es/8e312e834ca9fe7e

What would y’all replace raging bolt with on this team? I don’t really use it much.

[next stump]

you could bring Flutter Mane instead

[upbeat quail]

Possibly, I’ve thought about it. Is there anything else that would work?

[next stump]

you need a special attacker, and there's not many that fit on this style of team

you need something that doesn't really mind weezing shutting off its ability

[upbeat quail]

Good point considering I almost always lead with Weezing/Incineroar or Weezing/Latias

[crimson flume]

@lofty tartan Can I ask why this EV spread?

Compared to: Adamant 244/76/92/0/12/84 and Jolly188/4/124/0/4/188

Any mons you're trying to outspeed here?

[grizzled bronze]

jolly 188 outspeeds timid max speed lando

[next stump]

feel free to correct me if I am wrong Mika, but I think the logic behind that spread is:

• Speed invested to outspeed Lando-I
• Attack EVs means you're hitting the first EV bump with attack
• rest is likely just dumped into bulk, with a focus on HP because Oger gets a SpD boost from Tera and the team likely has intimidate to help out on the physical side

[mighty stump]

^

[real prairie]

this felt comfortable https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9doublesubers-2060820222

[molten oasis]

https://pokebin.com/5425b7c09d35669e I’m considering a few things but any thoughts on members for this?

[tall sequoia]

Change breaking swipe with tera blast or whatever

[molten oasis]

Archa is here for support

[tall sequoia]

Cus it doesnt need to lower defense cus its tanky

Oh

[molten oasis]

Breaking swipe lowers attack

[tall sequoia]

Ik, i thought it was offense

[molten oasis]

Nah, defensive

[tall sequoia]

Wanna 1v1? I could probably tell you recommendations after a fight

[tough idol]

They don't have a full team yet

[tired sage]

mmm?

[molten oasis]

It’s not done yet

[tall sequoia]

Oh ok

[tired sage]

based arch set

[tough idol]

TW Sash/Encore/Moonblast Whims and .........

[molten oasis]

Tofu suggested it and I was already considering it so, it worked out

[tall sequoia]

Does TW mean trigger warning

[tough idol]

Tailwind

[tall sequoia]

Question, when did you start pokemon?

[tired sage]

tera poison tera blast :0
does moth not get sludge bomb?

[tough idol]

When it came out

On/off

[tall sequoia]

Lowkey expected, i started in gen 8 cus i didnt know what pokemon was when i was like 7

I only found out when sword released

[molten oasis]

It doesn’t it’s so annoying

[tough idol]

I would have said Torn over Whim.

[molten oasis]

It’s best poison move is fucking sludge wave

[tired sage]

dang that sucks-

[mighty stump]

Think of it like Tera Blast Fly Lando-T

[molten oasis]

Rn the plan is to do torn

[tired sage]

yeah makes sense-

[tough idol]

Ah lol 😆 shouldn't have 2nd guessed myself then

[tall sequoia]

Should i replace protect on my lando with tera blast fly

[molten oasis]

And I dropped rilla so we have this rn: https://pokebin.com/6b85ea9520613580

[tired sage]

is it lando therian or lando incarnate-

[mighty stump]

Only if its Lando-T

[tough idol]

Paste? Or bin (lol)

[mighty stump]

Anyways, I’m off to bed

[tall sequoia]

How do i do that

[mighty stump]

I have two blogposts to write + a date tomorrow 😎

[tall sequoia]

Where i put my team on a link

[molten oasis]

POGGERS

[gentle crag]

drayagedrago has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[tired sage]

night tofu-
take care

[mighty stump]

damn rep farming in my channel

reported

fucken gottem

[molten oasis]

that gives rep wtf

[mighty stump]

gn

[tall sequoia]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

yeeyee1pint has given 1 Gen Rep to stellanovita

[tall sequoia]

Ez rep farm

[molten oasis]

Guess shifu can be sash now

[tired sage]

eh/?

[molten oasis]

Nah scarf pog

[tired sage]

water bear or evil bear?

[tall sequoia]

Rep farm

[tough idol]

Something with TR? I don't wanna say Farig or Deedee, but

[tall sequoia]

Also how do i make a pokebin

[tough idol]

I think its the same as a paste

[tall sequoia]

Idk how to do either

[tough idol]

Make team in Showdown team builder, then copy into the website interface

[molten oasis]

Evil bear atm

Not doing weather on torn atm

[tired sage]

no reason to if you don’t need it

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[tired sage]

as much as i wanna say prankster thundy I electric terrain im gonna shut off that idea

[molten oasis]

Nah lol, it’s fun

But, I’d want speed boost

[tired sage]

and adding rain on torn for wildbolts

[molten oasis]

For moth

[tired sage]

double genie lightning edition

[molten oasis]

why does (actual) double genie work here

[tired sage]

i dont knowww-
i was just meming

[molten oasis]

Lol all good

lando and flutter both work here

We can do flutter for now

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/cc577c5263843558 updated howl team, decided talon flame was my best shot at stopping tr and setting tw

[molten oasis]

https://pokebin.com/8fb950c66731ccff

[timber falcon]

Huh

Pokebin……

[molten oasis]

It looks more appealing

[timber falcon]

Can’t disagree with that

[tall sequoia]

Can i get the dark type urshifu when i claim the kubfu from the dlc?

Cus i got the water one in sword

[delicate sequoia]

Yup, the Scrolls for each Urshifu are items you can win at the auction in Porto Marinada

So you can get both Scrolls and then just pick which one to use on your Kubfu and whatnot

[ebon girder]

Can anyone help me build a team I'll trade a legend or shiny for ur help

I really wanna build train and play a team in the upcoming tournament

I kinda wanna go girl power all female pokemon I have access to nearly every game

[next stump]

which tournament?

[timber falcon]

Global

[next stump]

Are you looking for help with the actual teambuilding (like training up the pokemon in game) or the theoretical of what pokemon to put together on a team

[delicate sequoia]

If you're going for an all-girl Pokémon theme, I think Ogerpon has to be a lock since it's always female (and also it's just one of the best Pokémon in the format right now)

[ebon girder]

Lemme write that down and also omg yesss

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2060885463 the moth kinda cooks

[autumn vault]

also enamorous is a lock too

[delicate sequoia]

True

[autumn vault]

and since flutter is genderless, might aswell go enam for fairy

[timber falcon]

I’ve got a spare female whimsicott if tailwind is needed

[tough idol]

I'm running a gimmick

[timber falcon]

Spill the beans

[tough idol]

DozoGiri + Simple Beam can't go any worse than previous GCs lol

[ebon girder]

Need a pokemon with simple beam I can move1 up for you so you can put it on dozogiri

[tough idol]

Latios is my choice (think that's the right Lat)

[ebon girder]

Latias is red latios is blue

[tired sage]

yeah latios gets simple beam-

[timber falcon]

LMAO

I’ve done that in showdown b4 it’s hilarious

[tough idol]

I ran No Guard + Fissure last time I did a GC. Too much setup, bit funny AF when ppl let you

[timber falcon]

Running gimmicks in Gc Ay…. Ima have to do the same

[tough idol]

Either that or Helping Hand Hearthflame + Gholdengo comes out again

[timber falcon]

Helping hand on gholdengo is vile, damage output must be crazy

Oh I’m 100% running comfee moltres

Gonna have some fun

[tough idol]

GC is for Fun for me

[timber falcon]

I can tell

[tough idol]

I won't place, I can't attend worlds anyway

Might aswell enjoy being a dick lol 😆

[charred saddle]

i only did 8-2 then i dont continue, theres no reason to

i cant even gain cp

[molten oasis]

I did less lol

I did 6 games and went “this sucks fuck this”

[charred saddle]

the only thing flipped me off from GC is

[molten oasis]

I was winning but it wasn’t like I got anything out of it

[charred saddle]

i dont know what i think when i built my waterpon 4 EV on speed

like its so fucking slow its funny

i outspeed lando in TR

so dumb

[molten oasis]

Lol

We have learned it’s not worth it lol

[charred saddle]

yeah, my main idea back then reg E was like a very bulky pon, idc about speed tiering since i dont really know who's faster and who's slower

[molten oasis]

In reg e it was fine cuz lando I wasn’t hard meta

Now it is, so ogerpon needs to outspeed it to threaten it

[charred saddle]

yeah thats kidna true, and most lando T runs scarf so theres no way i outpseed it anyway

[molten oasis]

Lol yea

I still find it kinda hilarious lando i is better than lando t rn

This is Lando t’s worst gen it seems

[smoky hawk]

I'm seeing that amoonguss is built more physically bulky these days. Is that due to chien-pao?

[next stump]

pao, redirecting Urshifu hits more consistently, even helps against stuff like Incin

[smoky hawk]

Incin, right

[lofty tartan]

It survives timid Sludge Bomb from Glimmora and has a 1/16 chance of dying to ESpeed. I got the spread from my coach

It sits at 169 speed which outspeeds max speed Chi-Yu and anything below

[crimson flume]

Thanks herbie!

I'm already EV training tornadus and water pon while playing genshin haha

Managed to find someone to trade with yesterday for tornadus. With Prankster, Tailwind, And Rain Dance. I'm excited to play this mon in rank.

Rain Dance + Water Pon. ❤️

[lofty tartan]

If you're playing Water Tera Crown, Rain Dance will boost Tera Blast damage too

It's like another Beads of Ruin/Helping Handd

[crimson flume]

Maybe I can get out of great rank and reach ultra ball.

I'll see. I'm not underestimating my opponents after facing moody muk in beginner tier.

[lofty tartan]

Honestly sometimes the climb into Ultra is super problematic.

So I'm rooting for you

[crimson flume]

If I reach master Im gonna take a break lol

[lofty tartan]

It's just such a wide variance of player skill

[crimson flume]

I hope I'm good enough to reach master

[lofty tartan]

I don't see why not 😄

[tough idol]

Ultra is the grind

[lofty tartan]

It really is.

My first time into Master Ball, I got stuck at like peak rank Ultra and just couldn't cross the gap to save my life

[tough idol]

You can smash your way in there. Then be stuck. 1 bad match up and you're 2/3 wins away again

[autumn vault]

what is a good 6th team member? annihilape/whimsicott/archaludon/incin/ghold

i am thinking blood moon ursaluna but its a tailwind team and i dont think it will fit like a glove

[tired sage]

might as well-

you can also try bolt but idk how well it would fit

[autumn vault]

i will test the team

try both and others to see how they fit

bolt it is

[tough idol]

Is Archa running Electro

[autumn vault]

power herb yes

[tough idol]

Ooh diferent

Was gonna say you need rain lmao

[autumn vault]

i showed one yesterday and got negative opinions on it

i dont care, it gets a +1 boost to sp. attack

[tough idol]

Without rain its a pretty easy switch/protect.

Power Herb gives it the same edge as Meteor

[real prairie]

Only a 1 off though and then you lose it as a move

unless you have a backup rain dancer

[tough idol]

But that's the same for PH Meteor teams

[real prairie]

Which i dont like lol

[tough idol]

Just giving some credit to the idea

[real prairie]

i had someone do it and miss 🤣 made me laugh

yeah, i get the idea, just lose bulk investment to give it a SpAtk boost and lose AV for a 1 off item

[vernal pagoda]

did special auctions in Porto Marinada end? just went there and item person is gone

sorry for wrong chat

[real prairie]

Special auctions?

[tough idol]

What are you after

They only appear when you have the Mon in your boxes

[real prairie]

oh the rotom catalog person

[autumn vault]

Thanks, also a good thing for power herb archa is that it can run protect which is very important

[gentle crag]

lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to ictlegion

[vernal pagoda]

nothing particular. person auctioned off variety of plates, some orbs

[real prairie]

what are you losing? a stab move or body press?

i appreciate the idea btw, not having a dig

[autumn vault]

Dragon stab, doesnt matter since in my team i already have a fairy type called whimsicott

And dragon only beats dragon

So does it really matter, even for a mon not weak to dragon

[real prairie]

mmhh, not something id run but power (herb) to you 💪

[tough idol]

They only sell when you have a Mon that has a special item

[autumn vault]

I mean, its a beat up whimsicott and +4 defense body presses is broken

Add up a +1 special attack and you have built a beast

[tough idol]

Show me that I'm leading Follow Me. No +4

Same as Terrakion

[autumn vault]

I also have ape

[tired sage]

wait beat up whimsy into arch-

[autumn vault]

Did i traumatize you?

[tired sage]

but Legion has a point.
if they have rage powder or follow me you don’t get any boosts

[tough idol]

Follow me stops any beat up

[real prairie]

its not an awful strategy like i said lol just not my cup of tea 🙂

[autumn vault]

Then just dont use beat up against the follow me

[tired sage]

no?
i’m always able to shut down beat up with follow me-

[autumn vault]

But how will people predict it?

Thats the neat part

[tired sage]

it’s so easy to predict that’s the problem-

[tough idol]

By knowing its a thing

[autumn vault]

Besides i have 2 mons that do great against wellspring

Bulk up and walls both stabs

[tough idol]

Beat Up Ape was Reg A

[autumn vault]

Ape and archa

[tough idol]

Or whatever Maus did

[tired sage]

what about amoongus?
or maybe even maushold(dunno who tf runs this anymore)

[autumn vault]

I dont use maushold

Its whimsicott

[tired sage]

i’m asking if you have answers to them not you using them

wellspring isn’t the only mon with redirection

[tough idol]

If you're leading your gimmick, then you don't have your 2 good mons on field

[tired sage]

you’re also wasting a move slot with beat up-
cause if you don’t lead with your beat up gimmick then what?

[autumn vault]

Incin claps moonguss, archa deals with wellspring

Snarl there

For indeedees partner

[tired sage]

incin in fact does not clap moongus if you can’t have incin for your beat up gimmick

[autumn vault]

(Expanding force users only)

[autumn vault]

Turn 1 tailwind parting shot switch to ape/archa turn 2 beat up

Beat 'em up

[tired sage]

you don’t clap amoongus-

you let it just stay on the field

[autumn vault]

Adamant flare blitz is something not everyone will see coming

Usually + sp defense -sp attack

[tough idol]

Which part stops T2 Follow Me

[tired sage]

if you use this-
then you don’t have a way to get rid of redirection

[autumn vault]

Taunt

[tired sage]

then you don’t have tailwind-

[real prairie]

its a decent gimmick, but its a gimmick, and it wont win consistently

[tough idol]

You said TW, Parting

[tired sage]

and redirection is prio over prankster taunt

[real prairie]

in a open team format it gets cooked

[autumn vault]

Encore counters moonguss

Rage powder forever

[tired sage]

…

[autumn vault]

Besides i can bulk up

[tired sage]

rage powder forever = redirection forever

[real prairie]

tbf rage powder doesnt work on whimms

[autumn vault]

^

[tired sage]

sounds like a game plan to me if you can’t beat up your allies

sure but how indeedee and wellspring…?

[autumn vault]

Besides archa deals with wellspring

I literally have taunt on my team

[real prairie]

exactly why i think it might catch a few people off guard in a ladder BO1 but open teamsheet this gets cooked

[autumn vault]

I use it on switch ladder

CTS there

[real prairie]

yeah BO1 where teamsheets aren't open

[autumn vault]

Besides the surprise factor can cook opponents alive

[tired sage]

does it really though?

[autumn vault]

Walls ivy cudgel and grass moves

Free defense buffs

Usually ivy cudgel horn leech follow me spiky shield

[tired sage]

then again-
this leads to what are you going to do for redirection?

[real prairie]

exactly why it would never work in a tournament, if you want your ceiling to be MB rank on switch then sure, if you want to compete it wont work long term

[tired sage]

i’m all for surprise factor cause i rarely use predictable teams

but i feel like this just isn’t it

[autumn vault]

Want me to mention my team?

[real prairie]

its a little overused for 1, most high ladder players see it coming

[tired sage]

we’re discussing your team

[autumn vault]

Ape/whim/archa/incin/ghold/bolt

[tired sage]

i’ll give you a sample of unpredictable

https://pokepast.es/d81186f035d26a78

[real prairie]

its like seeing a maushald and Ape together, you know whats coming

[autumn vault]

The only predictable thing is roaring moons set

Even then taunt is rarely used

[tired sage]

exactly

everything else is unpredictable (wel not so much now cause i share it but)
you see a whimsy archa you usually think 2 things:
tailwind draco meteor,
beat up body press

[autumn vault]

Not everyone knows whim has beat up

[tired sage]

it’s like this^^
you see it and you instantly know

[tired sage]

i think the world knows after what cybertron made with beat up terrakion

[autumn vault]

But there is no terrakion

[tired sage]

i’m countering this statement
please read carefully

[autumn vault]

I would share pokepaste but someone is occupied with the pc and on my phone showdown isnt used in it because it hs 0 teams saved unlike in pc were 40+ teams are

I will just say the moves, items and teras

Ape, tera steel rage fist drain punch bulk up protect sitrus berry

Whim, tera dark tailwind beat up dazzling gleam encore focus sash

Archa, tera fighting body press electro shot flash acnnon protect power herb

Incin, tera grass fake out psrting shot flare blitz snarl iapapa berry

[tired sage]

is dark sash necessary?
wouldn’t it be better to go ghost

[autumn vault]

Ghold, tera water make it rain thunderbolt shadow ball protect life orb

[tired sage]

FLASH CANNON WHY

[autumn vault]

I meant to put shadow ball

Makes no sense otherwise

[tired sage]

[autumn vault]

Anyways

Bolt, tera fairy thunderclap draco meteor thunderbolt calm mind leftovers

Anyways all done

Btw i only have one year of experience but took a break at reg D

Played reg A to F

[tired sage]

bolt is standard and makes sense.
lorb dengo is interesting but sure that works too
pinch berry incin is cool ig?
power herb electro is cool on arch but i don’t think tera fighting is a good idea with all the fairies and birds running around
fluffy(whimsy) would prefer a bulky set and moonblast not dazzling gleam also tera dark just isn’t it
ape is ape. there is nothing to say about that pokemon.

[tired sage]

i have swsh and reg F experience…
i don’t think swsh is doing me much favours cause urshifu used to be balanced

[tough idol]

I have 1 year XP comp too, we weren't being harsh, just pointing out weaknesses or counters

[tired sage]

mhm…
sorry if i was acting a little rude there…

[autumn vault]

I will explain the sets
Whim has d gleam for some decent damage and hits 2 opponents but moonblast is better sometimes
Incin has Iapapa berry, but they are basically the same
Tera fighting for big damage with body press but i will admit outside of b press stab it barely does any favours
Ghold has unpredictability and l orb is actually decent
Ape is standard, no tera fire because will o wisp is uncommon
Archa power herb lets it run protect
Whim has tera dark to be immune to prankster taunt

[autumn vault]

Ik, just that my brain interprets nearly everything as harsh so i didnt belive that, payed off i guess

[tired sage]

whimsy can have her sash broken by fake out

[autumn vault]

Can encore them so that their mon is useless

[tired sage]

not if whimsy dies-

[autumn vault]

Its a very bulky whim

[tired sage]

oh-
then moonblast should be better cause dazzle is just gonna tickle

[autumn vault]

Been considering it

I will sort of say the spreads

Ape has max sp. Def, high hp 60 attack and 60 defense
Whim is 252 hp with rest of investment on defense and sp. Def
Archa max sp. Def with very high hp, 20 evs onto defense
Incin similar to whim
Ghold max sp. Def high sp. Attack rest on sp. Def, also actually has 0 attack ivs
Bolt max sp. Attack high defense high hp

Ape adamant, whim timid, incin adamant, archa modest, gho,d timid, bolt modest

Wait the pc is available, i will send he pokepaste

[tired sage]

oooo
a slower fluffy…

[tough idol]

I tried beat up Ape on ladder, got wrecked. It wasn't new

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/bd431523b0e8ca20

[tired sage]

come play specs harcanine instead /j

[autumn vault]

incin adamant

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 547: Whimsicott

Types

Grass/Fairy

Abilities

Prankster, Infiltrator, Chlorophyll (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/67/85/77/75/116

Total

480

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[tough idol]

Noooo Fraudcanine

[autumn vault]

I remember when i got a 5 win streak with mousape online ladder reg C master rank

[tired sage]

hey at least a 180+ SpA specs power gem is enough to take out your standard torn

[autumn vault]

Opinions?

Also incin adamant

[tough idol]

TR answer?

[autumn vault]

I considered Blood Moon ursa for a reason

[tired sage]

i assume encore the tr user but prankster is prio huh…

[autumn vault]

As long as its not raf or indeedee im fine

[tough idol]

Yup, can't Encore Deedee

[autumn vault]

And raf

[tired sage]

or fari

unless you bring weezing-

[autumn vault]

I refered farigiraf as raf

[tired sage]

i learned the hard way that weezing cancels armor tail

[autumn vault]

I am a weezing regigigas player and i loved seeing an ursaluna with burn hit cress with earthquake

Also guts is disabled thx to neutralizing gas

[real prairie]

whats the minimum SpAtk investment i need to oneshot a Ogre with Bleakwind?

[tired sage]

calc timeee

[real prairie]

was hoping someone knew lol

😅

[tired sage]

am i missing something-

252+ SpA Tornadus Bleakwind Storm vs. 252 HP / 84 SpD Ogerpon-Wellspring: 132-156 (70.5 - 83.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

it’s spread so i set it to doubles and lvl 50

[real prairie]

is SpDef investment the standard set for Oger? I thought it was HP, Atk and Sp

[tired sage]

it’s usually 36 spdef but that’s the set that i use

[next stump]

are you expecting it to OHKO?

[tired sage]

^^

[real prairie]

im not expecting anything, would just like it to

[tired sage]

was worth calcing and checking out anyways :p

[real prairie]

seems im out of luck lol

[tired sage]

you can always try to crit

[tired sage]

standard has lower but the set i use is

252/84/84/84/4
252/44/84/124/4

instead i’m running swords dance

[crimson flume]

Let's freaking gooooooooooo

Im so close to the highest rank lol.

[strange fjord]

Almost there!

[real prairie]

any advise? https://pokebin.com/50af86934ee2d759

[tired sage]

asides from your major pao weakness-
it looks okay imo

[real prairie]

anything i can do to stop my Torn being F'd by surging strikes?

[molten oasis]

Ev it to live it

[real prairie]

Yeah i get that I was hoping again someone had some pre made spreads lol

[bold geode]

@mighty stump whenever you awake, got rental issue

[kindred cypress]

Pikalytics and smogon

Any of our advice pretty much comes from those sources

https://pokepast.es/3a07298bef7a00cf

Also what we thinking?

[lofty tartan]

252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 148 HP / 76 Def Tornadus on a critical hit: 135-162 (78 - 93.6%) -- approx. 2HKO

This is a spread I use for Tornadus. Keeps max speed but applies bulk to survive non-tera Surging Strikes.

Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 148 HP / 76 Def / 4 SpA / 28 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Tailwind
• Taunt
• Rain Dance

[real prairie]

Cheers, that survives without tera yeah?

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it'll survive Surging Strikes pre-Tera both ends

Pre-Water from Ursh and you don't need to Tera to Steel to survive

[mighty stump]

What is it

[bold geode]

You took care of it

[smoky hawk]

Flash cannon or heavy slam for archaludon? Heavy slam hits flutter harder. Subject to intimidate tho

[kindred cypress]

Flash

Arch isn’t that heavy

And with electro shot it’s free damage boost

[smoky hawk]

Electro shot boost is a good point

After 1 intimidate, heavy slam does less than flash cannon to everything

I'm using pelipper with helping hand with arch

It's catching people off-guard, OHKOing flutters and tera'd wellsprings with a HH boost

[mighty stump]

Flash Cannon is just more consistent

The one KO on Flutter Mane value wise isn't worth it

[mighty stump]

I didnt lmaooo

[bold geode]

Well the fuckin problem was gone my guy

Lmao

[carmine dirge]

Question: Does Future Sight use the user's Sp. Atk or Sp. Def when dealing damage?

Bulbapedia is saying it's Sp. Def and just wanted to confirm if it's true

[mighty stump]

It’s SpA, what you read on Bulbapedia was referring to the opponent’s SpDef at the time of the effect

[carmine dirge]

Ahh I misread it

Thanks Tofu I knew I was getting something wrong

[mighty stump]

No problemo

[rustic mountain]

go play randbats

[mighty stump]

Ur mom is a randbat

[rustic mountain]

[mighty stump]

Im making my most unhinged blogpost yet

[rustic mountain]

lmk wen its up

[mighty stump]

Its gonna feature all the wack sets ive used to success

[rustic mountain]

cool

[mighty stump]

Another day another Snorlax blogpost mashallah

I think I have a new goal

I don’t wanna be a top player

VGC education sounds pog as fuck

[rustic mountain]

if theres no custap snorlax we riot

[mighty stump]

Its better

Counter

[rustic mountain]

haha i love it

[mighty stump]

Then theres Churchaludon 🙏

[rustic mountain]

lmao

im curious as to wat that is, guess ill see soon

[mighty stump]

isnt this the gen 9 mechanic

[charred saddle]

archaludon church?

[kindred cypress]

My favorite religion, archaludon

[brazen bough]

Bo3 friendly?

[mighty stump]

I mean if you’re good enough

Lol

Worked for me

See the thing is if you’re brave enough to run wack sets into Bo3 OTS + are able to play around the player psychology

It works

Easy example with Counterlax

You can fish whether or not they respect the button since it’s mindgame heavy

• Once they suffer from Counter they tend avoid Snorlax overall with Physica attackers

Its about being aware of your options + how your opponent is going to play around it

[brazen bough]

hmm interesting

[zealous citrus]

Does anyone have a fillable team sheets or a website that auto fills one?

Seems silly that the one on the Pokémon website isn’t fillable.

[grizzled bronze]

try the extremespeed tool

[dull ibex]

Quality meme

[echo hatch]

random question, does incineroar want 0 speed IV when on a trick room team? or still just 31 everything?

[mighty stump]

31 is fine

Or you dont even need to max out the IV

[echo hatch]

ok cool I forgot about 0 spd IV's for trick room and accidentally hyper trained a bunch of mons with speed so I just dont want to redo incin if i dont have to

I just finished breeding and rebuilding a 0 spd/ 0 atk IV farigiraf lol

[mighty stump]

Sometimes things don’t always have to be 0 speed in TR too, it’s relative

[echo hatch]

yeah i have mons on the team that want to be fast (Urshi SS, flutter, and sorta incin) but I want to get 0 for the slower ones (farig, Ursa BM and Raging Bolt)

resetting for ursa is gonna be brutal probably, thankfully Bolt is just fixed at 20 everything

[mighty stump]

Raging Bolt is impossible to be 0 IV

[echo hatch]

yeah I just wanna catch the base again

so its at least as slow as it goes

having it be any faster makes it much harder to use in TR

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/3569e47f6564994a thoughts on team?

Not sure if Ursh is better as a water core but gyaridos has been doing very well

[autumn vault]

ngl supportive regieleki surprised me

especially screens

[molten oasis]

Idk how I feel about that eleki ngl

Or double intimidate

[autumn vault]

personally double intimidate isnt that great

but its still nice as it nerfs physical attackers as much as burns

just have to watch out guard dog, defiant and competitive abilities

[timber falcon]

Leki is great for speed control and supports my bulk

Whilst dealing nice chip

[molten oasis]

specs dengo has no speed, which makes no sense

[charred saddle]

its gimmicky at best, wont say its good but ye

[molten oasis]

dengo wants speed if its specs

[timber falcon]

Ok

[charred saddle]

its a thing cybertron did feature

[molten oasis]

screens eleki, just isnt it

[timber falcon]

Leki is a gimmick?

[charred saddle]

eleki screens.

[timber falcon]

Oh ok

[molten oasis]

eleki itslef doesnt get shit from screens and grimmsnarl and a9 are way better screens mons

Grimm is, fine, here

[charred saddle]

i mean for CTS is fine ig

[autumn vault]

A9 can do some synergy with pao

[charred saddle]

but idk dont like it

[timber falcon]

And it does indeed

[charred saddle]

and like ur forced to tera upon lando I

[molten oasis]

not, not really

[autumn vault]

i mean the physical bulk might not need the sash

[timber falcon]

Gyaridos should cover no?

[autumn vault]

still gets clapped easily

[molten oasis]

no pao runs sash

pao is too frail for it to get value from a9

[timber falcon]

No a9 gets value

[molten oasis]

and it also hurts a9's physical bulk

[molten oasis]

PAO doesnt get value

im not talking about harc, a9 is alolan ninetales

[timber falcon]

Yeah ik that

[timber falcon]

Oh

[autumn vault]

harc's intimidate is not really needed imo

[molten oasis]

i think gyarados is kinda weird here

[autumn vault]

i prefer rocky head as an ability

when there is already and intimidator

[timber falcon]

Which water core then

[autumn vault]

i think its the defense ev's that confuse him

[molten oasis]

urshifu

[timber falcon]

Intim feels better than just flare blitz negation

[molten oasis]

urshifu threatens stuff like lando i and flutter a lot better

[timber falcon]

True I might try him out

[autumn vault]

the 4 evs left on eleki and pao?

[timber falcon]

But I like the bulk of gyaridos

[molten oasis]

why doesn't pao have sucker punch?

[autumn vault]

252 252 no 4 evs is weird

[autumn vault]

i think for psyspam

[timber falcon]

Don’t like the risk

[autumn vault]

i run throat chop

[timber falcon]

I wanna hit those dark moves

[molten oasis]

i think pao needs sucker to hit scarf mons and booster flutter

[charred saddle]

oh wait its screen eleki with no bulk?

[molten oasis]

yep...

k

[timber falcon]

Scarf what?

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/47b4c70279b7bec2

thats the team i mentioned

[molten oasis]

IT MATTERS, hitting scarf shifu/lando t

[charred saddle]

screens eleki, but its not no bulk.

[timber falcon]

What sucker gonna do to scarf shifu though

[charred saddle]

if ur a support util mon, i feel like u shouldnt be ohkoed

[molten oasis]

chip damage so something else picks up the kill

or damage if it tera's

[timber falcon]

Fine I’ll go sucker

[autumn vault]

i never will

[molten oasis]

also useful against opposing tailwind, which idt you can handle well

eleki isn't really a tw answer

[timber falcon]

I do great against it tbh

Rockslide spam

[autumn vault]

chien-dragonite is a good team core with no sucker punch needed

[molten oasis]

what do you do into shifu+torn

[molten oasis]

you still want sucker punch

[autumn vault]

crunch and throat chop do more damage with 0 risk

[timber falcon]

Unless they tera dark they don’t pick up the KO on anine, whilst Leki normally slows em down

[autumn vault]

i did play it, i couldnt deal with crown that easily

its better for psyspam

of course snarl-entei is good

[molten oasis]

the risk is losing pao first especially in the situation that theyre dealing with tailwind, and RAPID shifu

pao's mu into crown generally sucks

[timber falcon]

Oh u mean rapid? Double intim 👌

[molten oasis]

...

[timber falcon]

Then water tera or smth

[molten oasis]

intimidate sure doesnt ignore crits or something idk

[timber falcon]

Yeah but still ain’t gonna do much to gyari and water a nine

[charred saddle]

crit ignores -atk or + def

[autumn vault]

doesnt matter because of crit

[timber falcon]

It stops the use of other would be powerful moves on the duo

Surging I’m not afraid of

[molten oasis]

k just cuz im kinda over this ngl

[timber falcon]

Cause I have shroomgus in the back

[molten oasis]

replace eleki and gyara for banded dnite and scarf rapid strike

[timber falcon]

I’m horrible at hyper offensive

And that’s what it’s looking like rn

[molten oasis]

this already looks very HO besides the wack eleki set

[autumn vault]

i agree with the replacements

1 intimidator is enough

[molten oasis]

and the wack gyara set

[timber falcon]

I feel defeated

I’ll make the changes

[molten oasis]

nasty plot gholdengo also works way better than specs

[timber falcon]

Okidoki

[molten oasis]

could also add torn over eleki instead of dnite

dengo and harc like having speed control

[timber falcon]

Okidoki

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna go play RoR2, if y’all need anything lmk

[timber falcon]

So do I leave dragonite for torn?

[autumn vault]

interchangable, but imo probably yes

its my opinion so do change if you want, the team kind of needs both

[timber falcon]

Ima go with torn

Speed control is a must

Anyone have evs for rocky helm torn???

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/47b4c70279b7bec2

from suica

[timber falcon]

What kinda team is this one

[charred saddle]

wdym?

as in archetypes or?

[timber falcon]

What’s the plan with it

[charred saddle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPO_eiHcSk

just watch that

theres a team breakdown on it

its a reg E team

[timber falcon]

Ah ok

[charred saddle]

https://liberty-note.com/2023/12/01/sv-season12-top30/

can check there too with translation

[timber falcon]

Btw im rly liking the new team, thanks a bunch @molten oasis and @autumn vault

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago, lycopoky

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/39d2176dbb7d4903 this is what I got

[molten oasis]

👍

Glad you like it

[autumn vault]

👍

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/b558d39b55034d60 team I made on pure impulse (idk what I’m thinking) but could it work?

[autumn vault]

chien pao with dragapult is nice

[upbeat quail]

Ban flutter mane please

[autumn vault]

let me guess you got clapped by one? Also i agree

[upbeat quail]

Yeah it’s always a flutter lane

[autumn vault]

sadly they never will ban it, we have to put up with it

that thing imo is worse than urshifu rapid

lets not complain too much

i never complain about it

[tough idol]

Wait till Gen 10 lol and Mutterflane a distant relation to cause more pain

[autumn vault]

the regulation that allows restricted lgeneds might finally put a stop to its dominance

zacian claps every single mane

[tough idol]

We will all want Flutter back when Koraidon and Miraidon get set loose

[autumn vault]

just use lando-T

AV lando t just hurts them

and kyogre can shut down Koraidon

Miraidon is the demon that will be worse than gen 8 zacian

but again AV lando-T can murder it

and zacian kills mirai and korai

[charred saddle]

itll be funny to see like koraidon and specs speed boosted mane later on

oh wait does specs makes it spA boosted? never tried tork and mane lead

[grizzled bronze]

specs doesn't affect your final stat total i think

[next stump]

no, specs wont affect that calc

[autumn vault]

it doesnt

its like a buff but not for the stat

[next stump]

It does buff the stat, but it just doesn't factor into protosynthesis calcs

[mighty stump]

However, actual stat changes actually do alter your Proto boost

[charred saddle]

ohohoho

specs speed boosted mane incoming when koraidon is in

[charred saddle]

i noticed this since back then i think i had a -2 iron hands and tork went in but it boosted def

just didnt know if specs had affected it

[mighty stump]

How did Tork boost Iron Hands

Bros cheating

[charred saddle]

oh wait not tork

the small elctric surge ball

pinchurchin

[mighty stump]

Pinchurchin bgst

[charred saddle]

ya gmn ya dah lama bang akoawkoaw

btw tofu tim alex gomez yg tinglu P2 ada di release ga?

[mighty stump]

ga mungkin

[charred saddle]

fak

[mighty stump]

mereka akan pake terus

[timber falcon]

Is this a language I don’t know, abbreviations for Pokémon, or just gibberish?

[mighty stump]

A language you don't know

[timber falcon]

Ah ok that makes sense

[kindred cypress]

Archaludon enters the chat

[next stump]

long shot but in case anyone lives near Indy and needs points, I’ll probably be there

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/d85142ef0134fd22

any inputs?

[mighty stump]

252 SpA Life Orb Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 169-200 (85.7 - 101.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

You still take neutral from Dragon moves.

[mighty stump]

uh

I feel Stellar Darkshifu only works with like

Indeedee support

Or any sort of Helping Hand

I think Amoonguss can be difficult for you too apart from Ogeropn cause Incin/Bolt doesnt have Goggles

But like conceptually its fine

Lol

[dapper crag]

Do I get anything for clearing all the gyms twice

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/4880cdb0bb9e57ac how is this?

[timber falcon]

Don’t u want a faster whimsicott? Can’t torn readily taunt it

[autumn vault]

why i have tera dark

also timid helps with the speed problem

[timber falcon]

Guess that works, but then how do u stop fake out

And doubling into it

[autumn vault]

enocore the fake out user

and i have incin to stop the partner from attacking

[timber falcon]

So you’d lead Incin whim?

I thought the plan was beat up ape or arch

Or maybe go swapsies

[autumn vault]

tailwind parting shot turn one

switch into ape/archa

turn 2 the beat up

[timber falcon]

Ah ok then the team is looking decent

[autumn vault]

incin has taunt

i originally had snarl but said screw it

another reason was yesterday

[timber falcon]

Oh Incin with no knock off?

[autumn vault]

whats wrong with it?

[timber falcon]

Snarl incredibly unreliable

[autumn vault]

helped against sp. attackers

[timber falcon]

Just never seen it b4 (it’s probably used a lot but I just don’t know these sets)

[timber falcon]

Yeah it does but it’s utterly useless sometimes

[autumn vault]

every team has a special attacker

has atleast 2 of them

[timber falcon]

Yeah ig it shuts down many annoying mons

Especially specs damn flutter

[autumn vault]

flutter mane is especially manageable

and i call it fucker mane for a reasone

[timber falcon]

Understandable

[autumn vault]

i mean those d-gleams feels like a max bulk whim's d-gleam

after snarl

[timber falcon]

Lmao

[autumn vault]

i used taunt to shut down Follow Me

[timber falcon]

Always satisfying to see a flutter crumble

[charred saddle]

yeah thanks for this, i just realized stellar tera blast is kinda dissapointing

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2061503751

[timber falcon]

Welp I’ve got no other thoughts on the team, it’s looking rly nice atm

Ima go finish that wolfie vid

[autumn vault]

blud didnt tera heatran

[charred saddle]

dont get why sashed but you go for bulk

sash and bulk doesnt work together.

u either bulky enough to live 1 hit, or sashed

like at that point just go for covert cloak

covert cloak and bulky whim is there.

bulky and sash is weird

[autumn vault]

i see

its for tanking surging strikes decently well

but yeah covert 100% better

[charred saddle]

why power herb and tbolt?

u dont even haveelectro shot

[autumn vault]

i forgot to put electro shot

people forget easily

[charred saddle]

ur going for 4 moves no protect on bolt but no redirection

?

id rather drop ghold. overlaps with ape and ludon

[autumn vault]

thunderbolt to guarante the hit landing

[charred saddle]

then drop clap

[autumn vault]

ghold has been a small problem

[charred saddle]

whatever suits you

[autumn vault]

i deleted the message because ape is ghost

[charred saddle]

.

you can run clef to help bolt MUs

redirect dragon and immune and safe CM

[autumn vault]

but then i have 2 passive mons

[charred saddle]

[autumn vault]

i might aswell run max speed timid on whim

[charred saddle]

ur team is a frickin setup team which is already passive

all sets there are set ups

and ur hoping to play fast?

[autumn vault]

like passive as in, dont do much

atleast with setup it can pay off really well

ok so here are the changes:
· Whim will get covert cloak
· Ghold will be dropped (for i think wellspring)
· Bolt will have t-bolt replaced with protect
· Whim will also have a rearanged stat spread

wellspring has follow me to fix that weakness

[charred saddle]

gl with clap mindgames

[autumn vault]

i already dealt with it since the beggining of reg F

https://pokepast.es/24777a32ffd770a7 fixes done

also rearanged whim's stat spread

[upbeat quail]

Minimize strat abusers are very special

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/77733ba5e9e88346 I got these guys, thoughts on the team as a whole/6th suggestions?

Banded triple axel kills every raging bolt and that+stellar kills ogerpons

[autumn vault]

a special attacker

there is only one

[molten oasis]

We’re in a physical meta game I don’t necessarily need another special attacker, and that doesn’t narrow down the options too much

[autumn vault]

intimidate exists

but i see what you mean

[karmic temple]

Defiant on gapdos and howl in gouging fire

[upbeat quail]

Throw a Weezing on there for fun

[autumn vault]

^ this

i approve

[upbeat quail]

Finally finished building my weezing team in game and I’m slowly climbing the ladder

[karmic temple]

Oh you also have two boosters

[hollow sparrow]

tyranitar is good right?

if my team is glimmora skeledirge goldhengo grimsnarl amoongus

should i add him or should i add another pikemon

for doubles

[mighty stump]

I'm kinda confused how the team is meant to be interacting with each other outside of running Screens

[hollow sparrow]

well it's not final so my strategy isn't locked yet

[mighty stump]

Usually the suggestion is to have a strategy before teambuilding

[hollow sparrow]

do you have any suggestions for this team

pokemon to change or smth

or even just remove

[mighty stump]

Outside of just changing Skeledirge to Incineroar so Gholdengo can set up, assuming non-specs/standard set.

And if you're running sand, id run an abuser like Lycanroc/Excadrill

[hollow sparrow]

noted

[timber falcon]

I see you’ve met Sir. SmeargleMuk. A well known outcast for the competitive department

[timber falcon]

2 booster energies?

[karmic temple]

Need to finish scarlet so I can finally get my bolt but doing this story again is ASS

[mighty stump]

Lmao good luck

Meanwhile I im learning photoshop techniques for this next blogpost

[karmic temple]

Aww yeah

[mighty stump]

Sneak peek

[karmic temple]

THATS CUTE

[kindred cypress]

Gen 5 sprites remain superior to all

[mighty stump]

Those are Gen7/Gen9 mons I had to find like alternatives

But I can agree, except for Snorlax

RSE sprite >

[lusty mountain]

Oo i love it

[kindred cypress]

Out of curiosity, do y’all think hydrapple arch and sinistcha will me used more when box legendaries get allowed?

I can see arch paired with kyogre for max rain pain

[mighty stump]

Hydrapple is definitely not, its niche.

Sinistcha has it's ways, but Archaludon is already seeing regular play

[tired sage]

tornoger with arch being brough in the back sounds like something that would see play

[kindred cypress]

Could see sinistcha with maybe Zac or koridon

Help redirect and heal to let them sweep

[mighty stump]

Yeah but

You can do the same with an Amoonguss

If Sinistcha isn't seeing play in the current format, I wouldn't expect to see it in a higher powered one

[rustic mountain]

spore is jus too good, trading in ur redirector for one that doesnt, jus isnt the move

[bold geode]

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

[brazen bough]

hot take but gen 9 sprites are peak

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2061661706

? stellar tera blast doesnt benefit from unseen fist?

[dapper crag]

Ability: Unseen Fist

This Pokemon's contact moves ignore the target's protection, except Max Guard.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[mystic owl]

should i put aura veil or snowscape on my iron bundle?

im gonna put blizzard on it obv so i dont know whether i should put snowscape to buff the blizzard and iron bundle a little or use aura veil because its busted but it wouldnt affect blizzard

[charred saddle]

oh tera blast doesnt count as contact nvm

[karmic temple]

You need snow for veil regardless but I’d recommend bringing alolan ninetails or abomasnow

[real prairie]

I've come down the nastiest stomach bug, this must be what it's like to be toxic poisoned 😭 I miss anything exciting today?

[timber falcon]

Why r u running Tera blast shifu

[autumn vault]

doesnt abuse unseen fist

·_·

[timber falcon]

Oh is that it

Respectful reason

[charred saddle]

it was stellar tera blast
was testing teams

[kindred cypress]

1 hits mane

[autumn vault]

so does wicked blow

[charred saddle]

yeah sure...

252+ Atk Tera-Stellar Urshifu-Single Strike Wicked Blow (1st Use) vs. 212 HP / 132 Def Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane on a critical hit: 92-109 (58.5 - 69.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[tired sage]

leo-
what are these sets

212 132?

[charred saddle]

bulky mane

[tired sage]

am i just unaware of popular sets now

[charred saddle]

its from nerd calcs, but most mane are very bulky

specs 36 modest then rest on bulk

like only some investment on speed to hit some good speed tiers, then bulk

[tired sage]

i still use my reg D spread

116 HP / 76 Def / 108 SpA / 4 SpD / 204 Spe

[charred saddle]

i mean its not a fixed like sets, theres a shit ton of flutter sets

just calced it for some dumb bulky specs set or speed booster set

[supple heron]

L>inteleon on pokemon violet , ft any shiny of choice

[kindred cypress]

Trading channels

[atomic star]

How good is gouging fire out of 10

[tired sage]

depends on what you’re using it for

[kindred cypress]

7

[dapper crag]

E speed Dragonite is busted

[mighty stump]

Really interesting takes today

[tired sage]

eviolite dipplin is OP
/j

[molten oasis]

Did I goof up? Lol

[molten oasis]

Who said this

[dawn crown]

Anyone have any sets for flutter I just run 252 252 booster speed

[molten oasis]

Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 220 HP / 132 Def / 36 SpA / 4 SpD / 116 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Moonblast
• Dazzling Gleam
• Thunderbolt

[tired sage]

i was joking-
although in reg d…
:0

[bold geode]

Give it an 8 at least
Although I'd say 8.5 or 9
Loving it

[timber falcon]

i like air slash torn

very nice

[whole plover]

Is theyre anyway we could make a competition

[kindred cypress]

Yes, there are several ways.

Now would we, no

[tired sage]

but overall a 8 cause its really useful

[true niche]

you have got to be kidding me

[twin shadow]

Eyoo whats a good build for a stretchy tatsugiri + dondozo combo, XD

[ember linden]

If a spread move doesn’t hit one Pokémon, but hits the other, does that count as failing the move? If so, could I use a move like stomping tantrum and get double power if I fail to hit one mon?

I’m cooking rn don’t ask I need to know this

[next stump]

nope protect doesn’t trigger those kind of effects

[strange fjord]

If it misses both, it triggers. if it misses one and the other protects/hits, then it doesn't trigger.

[mighty stump]

You can probably check this out on Pikalytics; Dondozo sets don’t tend to be very different

More importantly its the rest of the 4 you’re bringing with Dozo, rather

That influences it’s performance

[dull ibex]

hello

im gonna look at more rentals

[ember linden]

Well it triggers stomping’s x2 if you target into the protect,but I didn’t know if it has to fully fail the move(two mons protect on the spread move) or not.

[dapper crag]

Move: Stomping Tantrum

Power doubles if the user's last move on the previous turn, including moves called by other moves or those used through Instruct, Magic Coat, Snatch, or the Dancer or Magic Bounce Abilities, failed to do any of its normal effects, not including damage from an unsuccessful High Jump Kick, Jump Kick, or Mind Blown, or if the user was prevented from moving by any effect other than recharging or Sky Drop. A move that was blocked by Baneful Bunker, Detect, King's Shield, Protect, Spiky Shield, Crafty Shield, Mat Block, Quick Guard, or Wide Guard will not double this move's power, nor will Bounce or Fly ending early due to the effect of Gravity, Smack Down, or Thousand Arrows.

Type

Ground

Category

Physical

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[ember linden]

God dammit PokeTube😭

I guess all those rental tester yts I watched misconstrued my idea of how that works

[dapper crag]

Move: Temper Flare

Power doubles if the user's last move on the previous turn, including moves called by other moves or those used through Instruct, Magic Coat, Snatch, or the Dancer or Magic Bounce Abilities, failed to do any of its normal effects, not including damage from an unsuccessful High Jump Kick, Jump Kick, or Mind Blown, or if the user was prevented from moving by any effect other than recharging or Sky Drop. A move that was blocked by Baneful Bunker, Detect, King's Shield, Protect, Spiky Shield, Crafty Shield, Mat Block, Quick Guard, or Wide Guard will not double this move's power, nor will Bounce or Fly ending early due to the effect of Gravity, Smack Down, or Thousand Arrows.

Type

Fire

Category

Physical

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[ember linden]

Alr, didn’t think so. That’s so lame

[twin shadow]

Ooh aight

[whole ibex]

No a friend that wants to use Cinderace but meow does make sense here

[molten oasis]

It’s just kinda for fun

Triple axel is funny

[whole ibex]

Wish they did more with Hydrapple 😔

[charred saddle]

so technically you can stomping tantrum to your own flying unit if u anticipated them protecting

btw on the same topic, does flash fire counts as fail temper flare? it wont right?

since the move still connects to the mon, just absorbed

[molten oasis]

Yea, oh well

[whole ibex]

At least we got Bax tho

[molten oasis]

Ig. Idc much about Bax

It’s good and I respect it

It’s not something I pay much attention to tho