competitive_discussion

[autumn vault]

i say its better, just incarnate is better for now

[mighty stump]

How the mighty have fallen

[timber falcon]

Just like surging shifu

[autumn vault]

also fell off in ou, man its his worst generation

[mighty stump]

It fell off even before this regulation.
Surging Shifu is still relevant

[timber falcon]

Not as much

Single strike showing his worth

[mighty stump]

The more people that don't consider SS Urshifu in the checks, the more likely you're going to lose to that matchup more immediately lol

Not respecting either Urshifu form is a big mistake

[timber falcon]

Yeah tailwind tera dark ursh absolutely destroyed me

[autumn vault]

therian is good for single strike, mane for rapid strike (energy ball, cant avoid grass weakness with tera water)

[timber falcon]

Oh damn rapid strike still above?

[mighty stump]

Whatever you think goes on in regional usage doesn't always reflect ladder.

[autumn vault]

he is right

[mighty stump]

Urshifu usages are similar to each other in Bo3/Bo1/Switch ladder.

Or at least close enough, with individual usage being relevant

and Lando-Therian doesn't necessarily auto-win into Single Strike. You still dislike Wicked Blow, and in a 1v1, you lose to Wicked + Sucker

Cause of Sash.

[autumn vault]

although sash is the most common (flutter), not all run it

its 70% usage on sash

[mighty stump]

?

In what universe

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah where did u get this?

[mighty stump]

Choice Specs > Booster are more used overall

[autumn vault]

i see it on pikalytics

[mighty stump]

Pikalytics.

Make sure your data is correct before stating so.

[autumn vault]

i found like 7 single urshifus that went down in one hit

did find a lot of sashed ones

[brazen bough]

if you want tourney stats labmaus is your go to or topcut explorer
i would say labmaus is more useful though

[mighty stump]

Anecdotes isn't the data representing overall statistics

[low cloak]

Whats the best build for Charizard?

[timber falcon]

Chi yu

[autumn vault]

l-orb

[brazen bough]

what do you think about p-lu with paonite

[timber falcon]

What format

[autumn vault]

i would guess reg F but might be the wrong answer

[timber falcon]

Yeah it might be singles. Charizard on reg f odd

[autumn vault]

either way Life Orb or C-specs

[low cloak]

Yeah not 2v2

[timber falcon]

So 3v3?

[upbeat quail]

What are the pros and cons of each Ogrepon form?

I’m having a hard deciding how to build mine

[timber falcon]

Type advantage for all with mask

[autumn vault]

and abusing follow me

[timber falcon]

Regular gets defiant but loses boost in attack

[timber falcon]

It all depends on ur team

[autumn vault]

is a 31 speed iv cress good for trick room?

[timber falcon]

No?

[autumn vault]

0 iv will take too long

or 1

[timber falcon]

Yeah but it’s not good

Normally I just do it until it’s decent

[autumn vault]

even if speed is halved you still go after 0 iv brave ursa in tr

[timber falcon]

But last time I forgot and am stuck with max speed iv blood moon

[mighty stump]

imo Ting-Lu still benefits on HO teams by being able to take KOs just barely out of range for your mons.

[autumn vault]

same 🥲

[mighty stump]

It also helps against Farigiraf/BM Ursaluna

So I don't think its a bad idea.

[echo hatch]

Random question: Is it good to have 31 speed for slower mons on a flexible trick room team? Like 31 speed IV and 0-4 speed EV on a Raging Bolt who is still slow enough to work in TR but fast enough to outspeed another slow mon outside of TR?

[mighty stump]

That's fine. Raging Bolt also has access to priority anyways

[brazen bough]

oh then thats perfect

if i am gonna run it i need ice spinner or rilla i guess

[echo hatch]

That’s true; still works for super slow mons like Ursaluna BM? I guess the question is less “is it good” and more “should I avoid”

[autumn vault]

random ass question: Is 31 speed ivs on cress good? I use one since i dont have another cress and no way i will get a 0 iv speed

still outspeeds brave 0 speed iv ursaluna in tr

with 0.5x speed

[mighty stump]

It depends on your matchups

Some want to run speed on Ursaluna and play out of TR

[brazen bough]

ting has a deep movepool

[mighty stump]

WHich also gives greater clarity to how you want to play that matchup since you can make scertain assumptions

[brazen bough]

what does ca ting run?

[mighty stump]

e.g.

• Yuo don't want to play in TR against the mirror, and prefer to have your focus be outside of it

[mighty stump]

Stomping/Slam/Throat Chop

Probably

[brazen bough]

im surprised not rock slide

[echo hatch]

Yeah that’s the main reason I like flex, I’m just concerned that having max speed IV on the TR mons (UBM and Bolt) that I’m using will cause problems when under TR but I doubt it will make too much of a difference

[timber falcon]

Ruination

[autumn vault]

ruination is good for an extremely bulky mon

[molten oasis]

I just absolutely failed a test

[brazen bough]

happens

[autumn vault]

sad

[brazen bough]

dont beat yourself up

[molten oasis]

Like, imma do good on the others but I didn’t make time to study for this one

Math took up literally all my time the last 3 days

Oh well, I’ll do better next time

[next stump]

https://twitter.com/adisubra/status/1757799655373451601?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Adi Subramanian (@adisubra) on X

Never saying I bombed a regional ever again

Twitter · Feb 14, 2024, 4:11 PM

[mighty stump]

Thats more for AV/Defensive Ting-Lu to do more significant chip damage

[mighty stump]

Lmao

[molten oasis]

?

[brazen bough]

😂

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/fee852e1327d5f6d how is this team?

[brazen bough]

https://pokepast.es/2cda4e85011c745a this is what i have down

its gonna be HO

[autumn vault]

no moves on dnite?

[brazen bough]

im running standard

[little quartz]

Natures and EVs need a bit of work. No point being modest cress with only one attacking move for example

[autumn vault]

helps ohko lando-i with 4 sp. defense and no need for more sp. attack investment

[mighty stump]

You have AV Protect

I thought you were going CA

[brazen bough]

that was last min because i realised i could run av

[mighty stump]

Ruination

[autumn vault]

124+ SpA Cresselia Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Landorus: 164-196 (100 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[brazen bough]

i keep bouncing between ca ting and av ting or av dnite

[little quartz]

Yeah but in a sense you could set up TR go Torkoal or your sweeper and sweep through it

Not saying Modest Cress is bad

Riley ran it on its Pittsburg team

[mighty stump]

AV Dnite is also valid,

[little quartz]

Just saying if you wanna make the most use of it maybe run another attacking move like psychic

Also Cress can use Safety googles over Mental herb for amoonguss

[autumn vault]

ally switch helps a ton, tr for obvious reasons, lunar blessing is nice with ursa and torkoal and ice beam for lando i (who my team struggles with)

so no

but i see why you think that

[mighty stump]

imo just try two variants rather than getting hung-up about it, and see which one you prefer

Obviously non-AV ting still doesn't want to tkae a hit

from Flutter

Despite VoR

Oh, you can also run Tera Blast oer Ruination for AV

[molten oasis]

Ally switch ain’t worth it

[autumn vault]

saved me on the match before getting to master rank, i think so

[molten oasis]

So 1 time out of many

[autumn vault]

also other times

like blocking sucker punch/thunderclap

or switching to save a teammate

[molten oasis]

I still think another attacking move is generally better

And if you’re worried about prio run Fari

[autumn vault]

my team isnt that weak to priority

[little quartz]

See you asked for a suggestion I gave it to you! You can always have your own opinion about it which is fair. I’m just saying think of the broad state of the game where you just don’t just cress to OHKO a lando, if that’s the case what do you do if it Tera’s, and most common Tera is poison so you can pin it with psychic.

[brazen bough]

alr

[autumn vault]

ik it was a suggestion, besides i can use eq on ursa

ohkos it without guts

[brazen bough]

actually i think if this is the core im going with i might as well go all in and try entei as a variant too

[mighty stump]

Wake up kids new Pokepaste dropped https://pokebin.com/

[brazen bough]

what is this

[mighty stump]

https://pokebin.com/fa70cdc27f30f699

Friend of Yotams developed a new pokepaste

[autumn vault]

why do the pokemon look so weird

its good though

[mighty stump]

Socl

Sick

[mighty stump]

Theyre using Home 3D renders

[autumn vault]

i see

i will never get used to it

not saying they have to be pixelated

[brazen bough]

i dont like the font

otherwise it looks nice

[mighty stump]

Notes sections as well

[brazen bough]

awesome

are you gonna promote it on twitter

[charred saddle]

the rental looks very UWU tho

[mighty stump]

Yotam already did

[brazen bough]

it would be cool to see tpci using it

[mighty stump]

TPCI acknowledging Showdown related things? as if

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/ad389404e849cc67 anyone here have any ideas on how to help with my lando I mu? I don’t think I can handle lando torn like at all

[brazen bough]

or i mean victoryroadvgc

are they not associated?

[timber falcon]

Best bet in ur team is Ursh

[molten oasis]

Not into torn lando

It just explodes

[timber falcon]

Tera?

Or does it still die

[molten oasis]

What lando is sludge bombing a shifu

You always ep it, and it usually explodes

[timber falcon]

Yeah I don’t think ur team can deal with it

Might have to make some changes

[molten oasis]

That’s why I asked

I played that mu once and I felt unable to do anything. Prim can’t set up, and everything else except Fari explodes

[timber falcon]

Wouldnt incin be a better fire core than ogerpon on such a team?

[molten oasis]

How does incin help

And no I lack offense with incin

[timber falcon]

Enables another oger slot

Wellspring oger tends to deal with that combo for me

Tera water and tear down

[molten oasis]

I’m not doing waterpon incin rilla and Prima that’s so much overlap I’m not fond of

[timber falcon]

I meant take down prim for oger….. it’s what I’d do but that up 2 u

[molten oasis]

That’s the focus of the team

[timber falcon]

Oh ok

So what ur lead?

I’m so anxious rn lmao

I feel like I’d say smth dumb and have dillion or tofu on me

[molten oasis]

Into torn lando I have to hope I don’t get Tera’d on and hope hyper voice+helping hand boost kills

Or ogerpon doesn’t get hit by ep and I Tera it to kill lando

[mighty stump]

Well, having an alternative Tera on Prim might be helpful

If you can force Lando-I to Tera you can hit it with Thunderclap

[timber falcon]

No one on ur team has helping hand

[molten oasis]

Another Tera change, ok

[next stump]

Rilla/Farig lead, Fake out into Lando + TR

Turn 2 you can just wood hammer the Lando + Hyper Voice, they likely protect + bleakwind but you should live 2 bleakwinds

Turn 3 just repeat your play above and it should be a double knockout or close to it

Only way this really goes that badly is if they tera poison on the first turn of TR which is a pretty bold call to make

[brazen bough]

wait actually on paper sitrus tei is so good on this team

[mighty stump]

Dillon rlly beat me to it

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[mighty stump]

I was also gonna suggest a shuffle of items

But I notice you want the Snarl on AV Bolt

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

If we change Prima Tera what Tera do we do? I’ve tested dragon grass and steel to varying levels of success

[timber falcon]

Similar thing happened to me, the guy was running ghost Tera lando 😭😭😭😭

[mighty stump]

The onyl thing wrong with that consideration is probably Steel Tera Landos

Which is like

[brazen bough]

if hes running tere poison does he need the scarf

[mighty stump]

The one you don't wanna see, but I don't expect to see it

[mighty stump]

yes

Booster Spe Mane is still annoyiong

[brazen bough]

he can go like all in on damage and use band or something

[mighty stump]

and imo you can help remove opposing Wellsprings early

[brazen bough]

o that makes sense

[molten oasis]

No I need scarf on single strike

[timber falcon]

How come

[molten oasis]

I don’t think I get much value out of sash on this team

[brazen bough]

i thought that was rapid lol

[molten oasis]

I need something to outspeed most of everything

[brazen bough]

i never see scarf on dur

[molten oasis]

It works great as a closer

Also nice to get ko’s on flutter with p-jab

[timber falcon]

What If speed booster

[brazen bough]

that also beats ogerpon genius

[molten oasis]

Ogerpon

Inti flutter i tend to lead pon+shifu and make my call based on that

[brazen bough]

i might run rock pon

[molten oasis]

Or pon+bolt since it takes a hit from flutter

[brazen bough]

on this p2 ting team

[timber falcon]

Reminded me to make my ting team

[molten oasis]

Ok. https://pokepast.es/ad389404e849cc67 @mighty stump you were suggesting a Tera change? Which Tera?

[mighty stump]

Primarina

I just like Fire over Steel lol

[timber falcon]

Steel Tera is predictable

[mighty stump]

Or Grass

[molten oasis]

Fire isn’t something I’ve tested on primarina

[mighty stump]

Its

Kinda wack

[molten oasis]

So might do that. Grass felt kinda bad. Keeping the poison weakness was bad for glimm/lando (kinda)

Why is it wack?

[brazen bough]

who cares about predictable

this is bo3

[timber falcon]

Oh it’s bo3

[molten oasis]

It’s not

[brazen bough]

they're gonna see your tera anyways

[brazen bough]

well its bo3 bo1 right?

[molten oasis]

I do bo1 testing first to feel stuff out

[mighty stump]

Like

[timber falcon]

Better to test on OTS ngl

[mighty stump]

It doesn't necessarily improve the Wellspring MU

[brazen bough]

not necessarily

[molten oasis]

To feel out a team? No

[mighty stump]

It does improve the Rillaboom/Firepon MU

[molten oasis]

Does that look bad for this team?

[timber falcon]

Rly? It’s what I do to practice

[molten oasis]

I have bolt for that mu too, technically

[brazen bough]

imma just stop giving suggestions

i feel dumber every time

[mighty stump]

Outside of Raging Bolt, you might get out-tempo'd since you don't have SD Pon

[molten oasis]

I don’t often play in tournaments I tend not to have the time so I just bo1 usually

[molten oasis]

That’s fair, I wanted redirect for prim

Which has been working out

[mighty stump]

Best to start dumb and get corrected than to never get corrected and stay dumb

Which imo, is fair enough

[timber falcon]

👍

How to stop porygon tr

[mighty stump]

I'm heading to bed, good luck

[molten oasis]

I’ll try fire. Thx

[brazen bough]

have a good night

[charred saddle]

i start dumb, and get corrected and stay dumb

[molten oasis]

Me too

[brazen bough]

same

[timber falcon]

Relatable, I dont think I’ve learned a single thing

[brazen bough]

i dont learn

[charred saddle]

i learned a lot

but that also made me realize theres so much still to learn

[timber falcon]

Lucky

All I’ve retained is make team fwg, make team meta

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna go do homework or something now

[timber falcon]

Ty for reminding me of RE mocks coming up next week, gotta get to work

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[echo hatch]

Ok be honest, are Bolt and UBM ruined for this flex TR team if I accidentally gave them 31 speed IV https://pokepast.es/b6fb78705a3acdd9

[charred saddle]

theres a team that uses tailroom BM if u want

as the name implies, tailwind and trickroom. so you can play two modes with the BM

[next stump]

not ruined but definitely harder to play the mirror

[echo hatch]

Yeah it seems like it might be good for other matchups but makes the mirror annoying

[charred saddle]

but bolt itself idk, havent played with it a lot

[echo hatch]

I’m remembering that bolt can’t have lower than like 20 IV for anything naturally so I guess it doesn’t make too much of a difference there

And then for the mirror I just want trick room down lol

[brazen bough]

im pretty sure ubm was going crazy on tw teams

[echo hatch]

Does it want like +speed nature and speed investment on a tailwind team? Or it can still be slow?

[next stump]

you want Modest nature but you do invest EVs in speed

[echo hatch]

Interesting

I like playing TR more I think so I hope it can still work even with full speed IV, I just have to try to keep TR down in mirror matches and up everywhere else I guess

It’s still slower than pretty much everything even with 15 extra points, I just don’t wanna trade for new mons lol

[next stump]

god damn orlando has 900 seats for VGC, new largest tournament ever already

[supple ether]

Damn

[autumn vault]

is a 31 speed iv blood moon ursa good in tr? i dont have a 0 speed iv Blood Moon Ursaluna (the better ursaluna) and since it has 3 guaranteed best ivs and cant evolve an ursaring into a blood moon ursa it will take too long for comfort, plus i have another save file with 85 mons registered so not too long

[next stump]

it's still usable

[echo hatch]

I’m in the same boat lol, the main thing is that it loses against a 0 speed IV mirror match in trick room, but it should still be slower than most everything else

[autumn vault]

thx, was worried about a mirror match up

[echo hatch]

So trick room down in mirror match and up everywhere else

It’s not ideal but can work

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/7a9477a360a93bb0 here is the team btw

ignore BM's 0 speed iv

i am in master rank so i will get the rank master ribbon on all 6 of these mons

[echo hatch]

https://pokepast.es/b6fb78705a3acdd9 my flex tr team, I don’t have 0 iv on anything lmao

[autumn vault]

you can breed to get 0 ivs on speed consistently

i have a 0 speed iv ditto if you want help, if you are interested lets take it to DM's

[echo hatch]

Super not worth the work for me, I find that 15 points of stat almost never makes the difference in a match especially for speed

[autumn vault]

sure

trick room teams prefer 0 speed ivs on (most) pokemon but its still good

speed ties will be bad

outside of that it makes 0 diff

[echo hatch]

Well yeah they definitely prefer it but it’s also a flex team

[tough idol]

Got some Enamorous to check when I get home

[autumn vault]

ok

[tough idol]

Sent them from Go to HOME can't check IVs yet iirc

[autumn vault]

i hope you get the right ivs

gl

[tough idol]

Pretty much just want a NG speed lol 😆

[tired sage]

oooo luckyyy
hopefully they yield the right IVs

[autumn vault]

btw if you get 0 speed iv's, keep it

0 attack ivs imo barely matters

[tough idol]

I'll use it myself lol 😆

[autumn vault]

i mean it to not throw it away if you dont get the right attack evs

[tough idol]

Yh Foul Play not common anymore

[autumn vault]

confusion isnt that common either

[autumn vault]

how is this team btw

i will be gone for a bit so dont expect immediate replies

[tough idol]

Gouging over Entei?

[smoky hawk]

Been trying thundurus serperior and it ain't working. I'm thinking to instead go with enamorus and use it mid to late game for taking out their tera mon

The changes I made to my team dropped my win rate from about 70% to 30%

[autumn vault]

gouging although really good, entei is faster and is more flexible with snarl

also can abuse opponent's chien pao to get quick kos on their partners thx to SoR

[brazen bough]

might have to go

[tough idol]

Pmsl, Wolfe decides he has to come back, to win new largest

[timber falcon]

Just got called a cocksucker over a Pokémon’s showdown match 😂 he did NOT like my lando having subsitute

Literally took no damage

[autumn vault]

salty showdown players are now real i guess

[tired sage]

they’ve been real for a while

[tough idol]

I should really get into Showdown just for the Salt 🧂

[autumn vault]

i mean from showdown salt videos

[crimson flume]

Any rain user I can add to my team?

Indeedee-f / Torkoal / Iron Crown / Incineroar / Chien Pao / Dnite

Still trying to augment my team since I've been having a lot of good results with Torkoal and Iron Crown lately.

Used to have Flutter Mane, but Torkoal took that spot for now.

[next stump]

Why do you want rain?

[crimson flume]

A friend recommended me to add a rain user in my team. XD

[next stump]

Nothing on the team really benefits from rain and it actively harms 2 of your pokemon

[crimson flume]

My weaknesses now are enemy rain teams and urshifu. Urshifu nullifies psyspam. Rain nullifies torkoal.

I'm just lucky none of my opponents use urshifu yet.

What mons do you use to deal with Single Strike / Rapid Strike Urshifu and/ or rain teams anyway?

[next stump]

rocky helmet tera fairy indeedee can help a lot into urshifu, you can redirect the wicked blow and then knock out with tachyon cutter or just set up trick room and dont bring Iron Crown out

Urshifu is usually dealt with by Flutter Mane, Water Ogerpon, Rillaboom, or Amoonguss

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/d4c7b44c07d1df98 was i cooking too much with regirock?

[tough idol]

1-3 Spe IV I think

[brazen bough]

ooh how

[autumn vault]

calc it

[tough idol]

Go Raid today

[tough idol]

63 Spe Timid at level 25. Think it's 1-3 IV

[autumn vault]

nice

[tough idol]

Need to do Game xfer, not sure if stats change or not

[tired sage]

oooooo

[whole ibex]

I just realized I forgot put 2023 as the year. I caught this all by myself. Would this bad if I want to use in say official tournaments and locals?

[tough idol]

Dates don't matter so much I think as system Dates are so easily changeable

That and it's just a normal mon

[supple ether]

The met date is pretty irrelevant for the pokemon, especially as far as hack checks are concerned

[karmic temple]

Wow my bf brought me flowers and a gengar cupcake to work today

The cupcake tasted terrible but it was cute forgot to take a pic

[next stump]

wait hahaha is Chosen One the birthday mark? If so, we have the same birthday

[whole ibex]

Yes!

[next stump]

September 15th gangggg

[whole ibex]

Doesn’t it have like a nice ring to it

[lofty tartan]

I've never actually met anyone with my birthday

I cheat out Chosen One marks anyway and just set the switch date to my bday and go hunting shinies

[tough idol]

Haven't done it yet

Plus not fussed about shiny

[lofty tartan]

First one I caught was Bax

[tough idol]

Will take em in trades for legit 2 times, as Mika has done before

[lofty tartan]

Shiny is the first level of rarity - marks are the second level, and IVs are a third level of rarity 😄

At least that's how it works for me lol

[tough idol]

Fluttermane still on a team lol 😆

[lofty tartan]

Glad it's helped lol

That Gouging Fire has been walling folks in ladder lately

[tough idol]

I've got 3 more Gouging now

And Bolts lol 😆

[lofty tartan]

If only I needed more than one lmao

BUT ACTUALLY I know someone desperately in need of a set of Fire/Bolt

[bold geode]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[lofty tartan]

Two someones. But I gotta go hit a store for Valentines gifts for the wife.

[bold geode]

Is one of those someones me?

[lofty tartan]

Dm me

[tough idol]

I'm not even at home anyway lol

[lofty tartan]

Word.

[tough idol]

I'm in a bar, brainstorming Enamorous teams lol

[lofty tartan]

LMAO

I mean I've been brainstorming Sand/Gouging Fire so heyyyyy

[bold geode]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[karmic temple]

I keep telling myself I need to finish scarlet so I can get gf and rb but doing the story line and pokedex is so draining

[next stump]

finally someone who agrees with my opinion hahaha

I wish there was a “skip the whole story” button in these games so I can just play VGC

[brazen bough]

Ive done it 3 times now

The last time was because i thought the skip cutscenes setting actually fucking worked

[karmic temple]

Yeah biggest scam I’ve ever seen

Select skip cut scene but none of the cut scenes are skipable

[brazen bough]

Like whats the point of even including it

[tough idol]

It skips the 'movie type scene'

[karmic temple]

1 scene in the entire game wow

I hate TPCI!! M

[tough idol]

Treasure Hunt start, cutscene during Arven story

[whole ibex]

But in all seriousness should I worried that it’s the wrong year?

[next stump]

No, as long as you caught it yourself

date encountered is not a factor

[whole ibex]

Ok I thought TOs care about that

[brazen bough]

They may

[lofty tartan]

This. My roommate got checked at Pittsburgh and had stuff I caught on his team. I manipulate my date pretty freely

They were all legitimate but at least one was from 2024, in September 2023

[next stump]

Locals do not hack check, they just check your teamsheet

regionals do a hack check but I’ve never failed because of date and my switch is set in like 2026 lol

[echo hatch]

Someone tell me not to buy a copy of scarlet and the DLC just so I can catch scarlet exclusives

[slate atlas]

Do it

😂

[echo hatch]

I SWEAR I WILL

HOLD ME BACK

Like I really wanna bc there’s so many mons I want but I also really don’t wanna beat the whole game and dlc again and also spend money

It’s a fucked up world we live in

[karmic temple]

If you plan on competing it’s worth it to not get dinged bc they’re hacked

[echo hatch]

That’s the thing

It would be such a pain but trading is just as bad if not worse

[tough idol]

You just need to know the right people to get legit mons from

[echo hatch]

True if I had friends who played it would be much easier 😂

[tough idol]

Get to know people

[molten oasis]

I passed that test I thought I failed

[tired sage]

:0
you had a test-?

[tough idol]

I'll help ppl out, but I won't throw my time at ppl I haven't seen contribute in some way to the community.

[molten oasis]

I have another one in an hour

[tough idol]

I rerun SwSh, SV regularly to catch the 1 time mons. Still have most lol. If I'd seen someone's post sooner I could have helped with something lol 😆

[tired sage]

ouch-
hopefully that one goes well too

[molten oasis]

It’s math, so, I’ll be fine

I looked at the other one and pretty much bs’d my way through it

Apparently I know more about police than I thought

[tired sage]

math :0
pfffft-
math is easy

[queen monolith]

I need so many grass terra shards lol

[molten oasis]

Yessir

Vgc players do math daily, therefore math is ez

[queen monolith]

Is a rain team possible with hydrapple?

[tired sage]

true true

[echo hatch]

Alright I’m committing; I put 31 speed IV on my Ursaluna BM and Raging Bolt for a competitive trick room team by accident, so tonight I begin the process of beating scarlet and the DLC again to fix my mistakes and hunt for a 0 atk/0 spe UBM and re catch base raging bolt. I’ll be back in two months

[tough idol]

You don't need 0 atk

[echo hatch]

Ok yeah true

Still 0 speed tho

[molten oasis]

You don’t necessarily need 0 speed either but I get the grind

I think the finals match of Charlotte wolfes opponent’s Bloodmoon was faster than his incin and farigiraf

However you should have a 0 speed Bloodmoon

Not that I’m ever doing it, cuz I don’t have plans to use Bloodmoon ingame

[queen monolith]

Is this possible?

-comp links

[gentle crag]

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Help Command: -comp help

[solid frigate]

Well It does help it tank Fire Moves easily,and He's already tanky enough to tank Electric Moves

so yeah,i would say its useful

just need to think which Pokemon would be its partner

wait- it has Pollen Puff-

i'm gonna make 2 or 3 Hydrapple Sets

[queen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/d5bf05e1d03b92d0

I just finished this

[solid frigate]

although the speed is kinda concerning on a Rain Team

[queen monolith]

Tailwind tornadus

And if they have trick room I have scary face.

[solid frigate]

Fickle Beam is a Dragon Move why you need two-

[queen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/8747b67965f10120

Giga drain better?

[solid frigate]

It has Nasty Plot... So Leaf Storm could also be viable

[queen monolith]

Valid point. Unless I get targeted cause of the nasty plot

[tough idol]

Too much water dependant for me

[solid frigate]

why do i have a funny mind to make Hydrapple a support Pokemon-

[queen monolith]

Idk

[tough idol]

What if Torn can't set rain

[queen monolith]

Why wouldn’t he be able to outside of dying and taunt?

Fake out won’t work on him

[tough idol]

Tailwind or Rain, Choose or die situations

[queen monolith]

He has prankster. Even if they get a tailwind up, they won’t outspeed him with normal moves

[solid frigate]

Hydrapple @ Leftovers
Ability: Supersweet Syrup
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 68 HP / 156 Def / 252 SpA / 28 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Fickle Beam
• Leaf Storm
• Nasty Plot
• Tera Blast

Hydrapple @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 220 HP / 44 Def / 84 SpA / 156 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Pollen Puff
• Giga Drain
• Dragon Cheer
• Fickle Beam

I have two sets in mind...

[tough idol]

Tailwind T1, then die. No rain

[queen monolith]

Unless they have a bigger threat on the field.

[solid frigate]

i haven't make The Tera tho-

[tired sage]

i would ping drago but i think he’s doing a test rn-
but he’s the hydrapple guy

[solid frigate]

idk if thats gonna work

cuz this Hydrapple is a Support as well-

[tough idol]

Archa needs Pelip or Dumb Frog. If you want Electro

[tired sage]

or you can power herb it…
dunno why i’ve seen that go around everywhere

[queen monolith]

I could do pelipper instead of gastrodon

[solid frigate]

as a Archaludon user Who names it Thunderclap/Skyarrow Bridge,i Am 100% agree on you

Yeah Archaludon carried me to the Mid 1300s in Showdown VGC Reg F

[tough idol]

Azu seems to be redundant

[solid frigate]

Niche,and need to to set up Belly Drum to be a sweeper

but then again with a Physical wall it can ruin Azu

[tough idol]

They've got Rapid Urshifu

[solid frigate]

yeah i would rather use Rapid Urshifu

[tough idol]

They need a fire to hit core

[solid frigate]

I wanna say Volcanion but i forgot thats a Mythical,Scovillan is kinda meh,Ogerpon Heartflame is not good on rain

and Incineroar,idk

[tough idol]

I'd say either Incineroar (hate it) or Hearthflame/Gouging

[queen monolith]

Or rain dance. Start with tornadus and archa. Rain dance electro shot

[solid frigate]

Yeah we all hate Incin

[molten oasis]

I don’t

Incin keeps things in check

[solid frigate]

ok fair-

[molten oasis]

Incin will probably be bigger when restricted rolls around

[queen monolith]

Oh hey drayage

[molten oasis]

So enjoy it not being on quite literally every team for a while

[queen monolith]

Do you mind giving your say in my Hydrapple Rain team?

[molten oasis]

I will look at it

[queen monolith]

That’s it right there

[solid frigate]

i just funni and make it a support-

[tough idol]

If I see Torn, Arch, I'm leading Torn, Ground, you either KO Torn or miss. Archa is in KO range T2. Since protect isn't usual

[queen monolith]

If I do rain dance instead of tailwind and hit electro shot your torn is gone

[solid frigate]

Yeah Pelipper is better cuz it sets up rain and Tailwind turn one, which is better than Tornadus

[tired sage]

oh drago is back :0
how’d the test go?

[tough idol]

My Torn matches yours, my offence goes before Arch. I lose 1. Arch goes down T2

[molten oasis]

I do not like the 3 water types ngl

[tough idol]

I've said this

[molten oasis]

Uhm, I’m also not really super fond of that set on hydra

[tough idol]

Azu has no place with R-Shifu

[solid frigate]

Does Leaf Storm benefit more than Giga Drain because it has Nasty Plot?

[molten oasis]

4 move and isn’t av seems kinda bad. Life orb would make more sense

[queen monolith]

I can use azu as a back up attacker or to draw attention away

[tough idol]

Hydro Miss and its another water atk

[molten oasis]

For nasty plot I feel you run fickle beam then energy ball/giga drain or even earth power

[solid frigate]

yeah thats why i say leaf Storm-

[molten oasis]

Don’t run hydro pump

[queen monolith]

If there’s an urshifu and belly drum azumarill on the field, who are you more likely to target?

[lofty tartan]

Lmao what

[molten oasis]

The shifu, then you blow up azu the next turn cuz it’s insanely slow

[solid frigate]

Me:Hurricane Urshifu and Electro Shot Azu

[queen monolith]

Valid arguments

[molten oasis]

Azu doenst have a good place in the meta rn

[queen monolith]

But there’s also detect to stop hurricane

[lofty tartan]

There is little to no reason to ever think about a mon in the sense of "I'm trying to use this to draw attention from something else"

Everything should have individual strengths, and Azu doesn't have many

[molten oasis]

If you want a belly drum Mon iron hands would make so much more sense

[tough idol]

Doesn't stop Azu dying

[molten oasis]

But this team also doesn’t, I don’t think this team wants a belly drum user

[solid frigate]

and its actually terrifying with Swords Dance,Drain Punch,Leftovers Combo as well

[molten oasis]

It looks to be more immediate offensive pressure e

[tired sage]

CA hands is better-
and azu just isn’t it…
this is coming from someone who defies the meta

[lofty tartan]

This is a very strange what-if scenario.

[molten oasis]

Me too lol

[solid frigate]

i did not even add Trick Room-

[molten oasis]

I would suggest first of all

[tough idol]

I was off straight with 3 water type and the Blue Fairy 😇

[tired sage]

defying the meta is something i do often but…
unfortunately azu doesn’t like being fast-

[queen monolith]

The only issue I got with nasty plot is the fact it’ll draw attention with it

[tired sage]

which makes it hard to use cause it’s speed is still a bit fast for tr

[molten oasis]

Give Hydra life orb, then fickle beam energy ball and earth power

[solid frigate]

wait is it beneficial in Trick Room i forgor the speed-

[molten oasis]

Add Clefairy or magmar

Or even one of the ogerpons

Give yourself redirection if you want to do nasty plot

[tired sage]

well it’s base 50 but like-
it’s bulk isn’t doing you any favors

[lofty tartan]

Even Fake Out is viable to enable set up.

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/ef3bde90d05eb4e0
I need clarify if the Sandstorm team is good or no

[lofty tartan]

It's not really rocket surgery

[tired sage]

and neither is its attacking stats

[queen monolith]

Then why not amoongus? Rage powder, pollen puff, spore, and protect

[solid frigate]

oh yeah its frail and its attack is carried by Huge Power-

[tired sage]

2 ice 2 fighting huh-

[molten oasis]

K so

[lofty tartan]

But like there are times where you don't want to just click "redirect - set up"

There are more opportune times to set up in front of your opponent's face

[tired sage]

fighting weakness is something you wouldn’t want to have unless you have enough bulk-

[molten oasis]

Let’s just start with removing gastrodon and Azumarill, I think they’re both very unnecessary

[solid frigate]

yeah idk who to swap out,cuz i really like Garchomp in sand team

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/8747b67965f10120 I’m moving this

[tough idol]

Protect on Ghold? I may be wrong

[molten oasis]

Icy wind or taunt over scary face on torn, give it ghost or steel Tera

[tired sage]

i would add indeedee or some sort of prio dent cause rilla is gonna enjoy things too

[solid frigate]

idk i just want coverage on Fighting types-

[molten oasis]

Make shifu adamant

[solid frigate]

i see

[molten oasis]

Archaludon should have Draco meteor or dragon pulse over dragon claw

[lofty tartan]

Indeedee stops priority but... definitely don't just slap her on a team to stop priority. She's slow and has no offensive presence

[molten oasis]

Farigiraf is the slap on prio prevent Mon

[lofty tartan]

^

[solid frigate]

and heavy rely on Trick room,which my team clearly is not trick room team

[molten oasis]

Shifu wants water Tera

[lofty tartan]

She doesn't heavily rely on Trick Room. I play Crown/DeeDee. The team is built as a fast team but she is Trick Room insurance.

[tired sage]

that’s fair xD

[molten oasis]

Yk what I’m throwing this in the builder lol

[tired sage]

indeedee was the first prio deny i could think of cause i used to play a lot of psyspam

[lofty tartan]

Indeedee isn't like a really splashable pick. You need to have a team that wants to run her so that it's not super clunky 😄

[molten oasis]

Farigiraf is just better in most cases

[lofty tartan]

Farigiraf is my goofy baby boy.

[molten oasis]

I think indeedee usually wants a psyspam partner

[tired sage]

fari is good too xD
it’s what i usually use nowdays

[molten oasis]

Me too, Fari getting it’s time to shine is awesome

[solid frigate]

Lets See Armarouge,Idk Farigaraf tho

[lofty tartan]

I think Crown is just more offensively positioned than Arma right now.

[molten oasis]

Agreed

Although meteor beam stuff is neat

[solid frigate]

it has EF?

[lofty tartan]

You hard threaten Chien-Pao and Flutter Mane with Tachyon Cutter

Yeah, it has E Force.

[solid frigate]

Flashback to Lunala Meteor Beam in Gen 8

[lofty tartan]

It has god awful coverage though, so I suggest Tera Blast and Water or Ground

[molten oasis]

That’ll come back lol

[lofty tartan]

You typically get walled by Steel types.

[molten oasis]

It’s in the game

[solid frigate]

Welp we have to wait for a VGC that Unbans Legendaries

[lofty tartan]

Iron Jugulis Power Herb Meteor Beam

[solid frigate]

since that happens everytime a new Gen

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/rpx_syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[solid frigate]

[solid frigate]

wait- If that happens- I can bring my turtle-

[tired sage]

even worse-
flashbacks to power herb nihilego-

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/51bc1fcc9af43abf @queen monolith did some edits

[tired sage]

+1 meteor beam +1 beast boost

[solid frigate]

Yep that has stab so-

[solid frigate]

instant +2 in the get go

[lofty tartan]

Good thing UBs aren't in then

[molten oasis]

Id like to discuss the other 2 members with you but this should be better. Hydra has steel Tera which flips its weaknesses, shifu has water Tera for more surging strikes dsmage, torn has a better ev spread and taunt over scary face (which you can also make icy wind), and Archaludon has bulk+Draco meteor

[solid frigate]

yeah Imagine Tera-

[lofty tartan]

I mean really it's not that big of a deal. UBs are same general statting as Paradoxes 🤷

[molten oasis]

Also you ALWAYS run regenerator on hydra imo

[lofty tartan]

I'm a player who isn't bothered by the existence of Urshifu in the meta

[molten oasis]

I think syrupsweet is fucking worthless

Unless it’s for gimmicks

[tired sage]

imagine a tera rock meteor beam nihilego-
2x stab, +2

[molten oasis]

Regenerator also works quite nice with life orb since you can recover the hp you lost a little

[solid frigate]

Me with Meowscarada: Flower Trick Choice Band Protean go brrrrr

[solid frigate]

wait i forgot-

[molten oasis]

I wish meow was better but besides it’s speed it’s so underwhelming

[lofty tartan]

Ehhhh... I mean 103 speed and not ditching water weakness at that point doesn't bode super great for it but yeah it'll get some damage boosts.

[tired sage]

regen sitrus shed tail cyclizar

[molten oasis]

Triple axel banded protean meow looks kinda interesting tho

Id mess with it if it wasn’t just, not good

[molten oasis]

I forgot that was a thing once upon a time

[solid frigate]

welp yeah... ik
Instantly Remember i have a Meowscarada on my rain team that has Flower Trick,Sucker Punch,Triple Axel and Brick Break/U-turn-

[lofty tartan]

It'd be cool if we got Tapus this gen but that ship has sailed

[molten oasis]

Tapu fini would have been awesome

[solid frigate]

Worst of all,Aura Trio wasn't here-
Idc if they are stupidly broken in the Meta if Legendaries are unbanned

[tired sage]

well paired with torn tw, it would be a threat-
310 speed under tw so it’s outspeeding almost everything

[molten oasis]

Misty terrain Mon would be sick but Yk, none of those are coming to s/v

Instead we have miraidon 🫠

[tired sage]

we have-
galarian weezing if that counts-

[molten oasis]

Who’s running weezing that isn’t running neutralizing gas

[tired sage]

me cause i wanna make stupid ideas work

[molten oasis]

Fair

[lofty tartan]

Again, not really bothered by legendaries and whatnot.

[solid frigate]

based-

[molten oasis]

I mean, legendaries are tools to use to win

[lofty tartan]

Yeah when I started VGC, I resolved to be content using the tools given in the generation that's current. If that means the meta is full of TornShifu it's full of TornShifu 🤷

[solid frigate]

Fairy Aura+Booster Energy Protosynthesis Moonblast Flutter Mane: would be kinda-

[molten oasis]

I am glad we didn’t get xerneas cuz, fuck no I’m good dealing with Tera fsiry shenanigans from it

[real prairie]

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[tired sage]

i need to redo that fari spread

[solid frigate]

this is Comp discussion-

[lofty tartan]

Stacking damage concepts is fun but then it comes down to speed tiers and your opponent not having a head full of rocks.

[molten oasis]

Put a spoiler on that at least

I don’t want to know what the next games are until they announce it

[real prairie]

I did say potentially leak warning lol

[lofty tartan]

Not 100% this is the place you should be posting that.

[real prairie]

We have discussed plenty that isn't strictly competitive in here as long as it loosely connects

[molten oasis]

Do | | this | | but without the spaces

[lofty tartan]

There's a difference between off-topic and leaks

[molten oasis]

||hehe|| should look like this

I don’t think the new games will introduce new shit unless we get another legends game

[lofty tartan]

Like this server takes care to avoid spoilers for DLC content

[molten oasis]

So it just doesn’t matter

[real prairie]

I've censored it, thanks @molten oasis

[gentle crag]

oneofakindof has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[tired sage]

gen 10 should release a new gimmick which i’m kinda curious about…
cause for this gen they just rendered arceus and silvally’s abilities useless

[molten oasis]

If they do announce a legends game yippee if they don’t boo

[lofty tartan]

Speculation is where I bow out - I'm happy just getting new games 😄

[molten oasis]

Fair

[tired sage]

true

[molten oasis]

Although let’s hope it’s better than what BDSP were

[lofty tartan]

2025 I go back to serious competition anyway so SV has a bit more life in it for me

[tired sage]

gen X-
that sounds and looks weird

[real prairie]

If it's not a main series announcement how long does that give us with competitive Scarlet and Violet? Another year? 2?

[tired sage]

but so does gen IX

[solid frigate]

yeah cuz BW and B2W2 are really good games

[tired sage]

2/3

[molten oasis]

We get the restricted later this year then, we don’t get anything new for a minute

[tired sage]

they’ll occasionally do things like,
“hey you can have two restricted, or an unrestricted format”

[real prairie]

Unless they stick with SV but release a Unova DLC along with a new switch

[molten oasis]

Yea ig

[tired sage]

which i would cry if unrestricted happened-
i already hate restricted with a burning passion

[molten oasis]

I don’t have much of an opinion I didn’t play it in swsh

[tired sage]

specs tw water spout kyogre scarred me

[solid frigate]

Bro,Indigo Disk is basically Unova fans Heaven-

Yep Unova Fans are eating well if they make a Unova game Good

[molten oasis]

If

[real prairie]

I've been playing Uber to test restricted teams and nothing annoys me more than someone rocking 6 restricted or unrestricted Pokémon like Arceus and the black and white fusion legendaries ect

[tired sage]

okay-
hot take but mienshao is lowkey good-
fake out wide guard in one pokemon-?
sash u turn and inner focus too

ok ignore uturn-

[real prairie]

Wide guard lunala has been ruining my day in Ubers 🤣

Doesn't help Kyogre doesn't get access to a good water STAB single target move

[queen monolith]

My sun team has carried me to rank 6 in the Pokémon stadium double battle thing.

[real prairie]

Nice work

[queen monolith]

I fought a stall team that wrecked me. Wide guard toxapex

[solid frigate]

I think its like Ultra Ball rank-

[tired sage]

hydro pump sweet syrup

[queen monolith]

Still only pokeball rank

[tired sage]

6 is still great

[queen monolith]

[real prairie]

Means running the apple lizard, I'm okay thanks

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1707954843:R>.

[tired sage]

Hey-
what’s wrong with apple lizard

[queen monolith]

If this one battle I did wasn’t running wide guard toxapex I would have carried with chi-yu

[solid frigate]

I'm still rank 3 cuz well- my online ran out

[real prairie]

Nothing, just better options, quite like it personally but the team already has to carry Ludi as that's my baby

[tired sage]

i misplaced my switch somewhere home so i haven’t been able to play dlc 2 yet

[solid frigate]

F

[real prairie]

Switch lite?

[molten oasis]

Excuse me?

What did you say about my boy

[tired sage]

no regular switch

[queen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/0d6e58490086058d my precious sun team

[molten oasis]

[real prairie]

How does it not just live in it's dock when you aren't using it? 🤣

[tired sage]

[molten oasis]

Bug Tera Fari?

[tired sage]

i don’t use a dock cause i don’t have a monitor/screen to connect it to

[queen monolith]

Surprisingly it won me a match once

[real prairie]

We have had this convo with him, let him cook

[molten oasis]

I want an explanation

Before I throw fairy Tera at you, along with water Tera amoonguss I’m kinda confused about that

[queen monolith]

Dark and psychic counter. And resists dark moves.

[real prairie]

That I like it but I don't have room to carry it and my own baby

[molten oasis]

So, first of all

You already resist psychic

[queen monolith]

I know. That’s not why I gave it bug

[tired sage]

and fairy also resists dark

[molten oasis]

And fairy gives you the dark resist

[queen monolith]

But is fairy super effective against psychic as well?

[tired sage]

plus gives you stab dazzle if you happen to run dazzle for some reason-

[real prairie]

Fairy has more resistances than bug and less weaknesses no?

[molten oasis]

No

[molten oasis]

Yea, it does

[dapper crag]

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[tired sage]

oh crap nvm

that’s not what i’m looking for

[dapper crag]

Fairy

Hits for 0.5x

Fire, Poison, Steel

Hits for 1x

Bug, Electric, Fairy, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Dark, Dragon, Fighting

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[real prairie]

Still works, now go resists big lol

[dapper crag]

- [Fairy]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Fighting

Neutral damage

Electric, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Poison, Steel

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[real prairie]

See the number difference

[tired sage]

thank you drago-

[queen monolith]

Why is fairy resisted by fire??

[dapper crag]

- [Bug]

Resists (0.5x)

Fighting, Grass, Ground

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fire, Flying, Rock

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

Balance reasons

[queen monolith]

Valid

[molten oasis]

Fairy is literally just better

UNLESS you’re avoiding lando i damage

I’ve seen bug Tera bolt for that specific niche case

[real prairie]

The official logic is "fairy's are magical creatures and only fire can resist their magic"

[molten oasis]

But Yk, niche case scenario

[queen monolith]

I’d only use the farigiraf tera if I absolutely had to

[molten oasis]

Then do fsiry

[tired sage]

what about tiny magical creatures that murder massive dragons

[molten oasis]

Also why pure grass on amoonguss?

[tired sage]

you’d be surprised-

[real prairie]

Water is the way

[molten oasis]

Fairy was to balance the game instead they made another broken type

[tough idol]

I've been away, have we dropped the Azu

[tired sage]

mhm-

[queen monolith]

They did hydreigon dirty.

[molten oasis]

Fr

[tired sage]

yeah now we’re talking about bug tera fari-

[queen monolith]

Like fr. They just let bro out and he was insane. Just for fairy to come along and back hand him.

The very next gen they fucked him over

[real prairie]

Steel should have been SE v dragon imo, have a whole dragon slayer vibe about a few mons

[tired sage]

drago what did i do-

[tough idol]

Drop paste. As I see Grass Amo?

[tired sage]

[molten oasis]

Bug Tera is bad lol

[tough idol]

Bug is just bad end of

[molten oasis]

Oh @queen monolith did you see the paste I sent you?

[queen monolith]

Where?

[molten oasis]

Gimme a minute

https://pokepast.es/51bc1fcc9af43abf

[tired sage]

I JUST STATED THE TOPIC WYMMMMMMMM
im not advocating for it

[tired sage]

^^

[molten oasis]

So here we have your 4 I think do work okay

I think gastro is just, not good and same goes with azu

[queen monolith]

They look good to me

Gastro can do work if they’re countering water on a sun team.

[molten oasis]

Now, we can do a few things but first, is there anything you’d like to add

[molten oasis]

At that point just run something else to counter sun

[queen monolith]

I meant if someone brings out water against your sun team, then gastrodon puts in work

Storm drain

[molten oasis]

We have Hearthflame

Have fun throwing out a gastrodon infront of a Hearthflame ogerpon

[queen monolith]

I don’t think I’m explaining well enough

[molten oasis]

Yea I’m very not sure what this is about

[queen monolith]

If you’re running a sun team, and someone brings out say, rapid strike. You can send in gastrodon to suck up surging strikes.

[tough idol]

I'm by no means an authority but, too much fire. Moogus water tera, foul play for protect. Plus no EVs

[queen monolith]

Gastrodon would be better on a sun team as support

[molten oasis]

sun half’s the damage from wster

[tired sage]

literally waterpon

[queen monolith]

I’m still working on ev’s.

[molten oasis]

Gastro works as a RAIN counter

Not a sun counter

[tired sage]

follow me water absorb

[queen monolith]

I’m not saying he’s a sun counter

[tough idol]

Too much fire

[molten oasis]

It just seemed that way mu b

[molten oasis]

It’s a sun team that’s fine

[queen monolith]

I’m saying he can keep a fire type alive by drawing water type moves in without follow me

[molten oasis]

I don’t fully get xern there but whatever

[real prairie]

Sun does the work already, water moves are almost pointless in sun

[molten oasis]

Again, the damage is halfed

[queen monolith]

I get that

[tired sage]

as much as gastro worked in swsh, you didn’t have an ogerpon looming over with an ominous shadow

[queen monolith]

Nah. They cook

[queen monolith]

I didn’t do comp in swsh

[molten oasis]

Ogerpon and miraidon are gonna ruin kyogre life (good)

[tired sage]

i hope so-

[queen monolith]

That chi-yu is a menace on my team

[molten oasis]

K so ANYWAY

is there any kind of role you’d like to add on the hydra team lemon?

[tough idol]

I'd be tempted to suggest Bolt over Ceruledge

[queen monolith]

Don’t have bolt

Plus ceruledge gets a free flash fire from torkoal using lava plume.

Or did I not update that on the thing?

[tired sage]

i’d hate to see a kyo dominant meta again-

[queen monolith]

I’d say maybe a tank

[molten oasis]

Archaludon is a tank

[queen monolith]

Speed control

[molten oasis]

Tornadus is speed control

[tough idol]

@molten oasis paste? Sorry if I missed

[real prairie]

Not based on my experience in Ubers, Tornadus and Landorus both work great alongside Kyogre and destroy them

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/51bc1fcc9af43abf

[tired sage]

for some reason i can see a archyogre becoming a thing-

[molten oasis]

No offense, idgaf about Ubers

[queen monolith]

What about a dragon suppprt type?

[molten oasis]

It’s not vgc and it usually does not reflect vgc usage

[queen monolith]

One with dragon cheer to boost archa or Hydrapple

[real prairie]

I understand but using a Kyogre rain team I've had to deal with a lot of Miridon and Ogre

[molten oasis]

You have hydrspple and Archaludon a third dragon is a terrible idea

[queen monolith]

What about iron bundle?

[molten oasis]

Redundant speed control, idk

If you want ice coversge you can use the leopard/weasel also known as chien pao

[real prairie]

All hail the long cat

[queen monolith]

Valid.

[tired sage]

you mean the snow kitty?

[queen monolith]

What about walking wake? Wait. He’d be better on sun team. My bad

[molten oasis]

That works better, snow Kitty

[molten oasis]

You have 2 rain abusers

Shifu and Archaludon

[queen monolith]

I’m not used to rain teams

[molten oasis]

We can add lando i

Uhh wait

[tired sage]

no-
let’s not-

[molten oasis]

Nvm no lando I, 3 ice sounds so shit

[queen monolith]

Wait. What about primarina?

[real prairie]

Long cat

[tired sage]

snow kitty sounds better we already have a long cat

[molten oasis]

I’m playing with it rn, and uh, it wants trick room or heavy support around setting it up, so no not here

[tough idol]

I'm thinking 🤔

Sash Pao, Hearthflame
Gouging, Rockpon

[tired sage]

https://tenor.com/view/meowth-gigantamax-gmax-gmax-meowth-gigantamax-meowth-gif-22759734

[molten oasis]

If you want fairy you can have fluttermane

[queen monolith]

Inteleon or empoleon?

[molten oasis]

Yiu don’t need more water mons

[tired sage]

empoleon can work but i don’t think its a good fit/

[queen monolith]

I don’t have gouging

And how would I do two ogerpon’s?

[molten oasis]

Sash pao and Hearthflame does work, okay

It’s just general suggestions

[queen monolith]

Wouldn’t hearthflame be weakened by the rain?

[molten oasis]

You can use hearth out of rain or if you don’t bring torn

[queen monolith]

Or bring torn and not use rain dance

[molten oasis]

Yea

[queen monolith]

What about pelipper on the team? Rain dance set up outside of tornadus

[molten oasis]

You have one or the other not both

[queen monolith]

That’s honestly fair.

So. Snow kitty, torn, urshifu, Hydrapple, and archa. Hmmm

Possible idea

[molten oasis]

Uhm

[real prairie]

Hurricane pelliper is very good to stop water Ogre

[queen monolith]

Cetitan

[molten oasis]

So is torn

[tough idol]

Last 2 slots, Sash Pao, Hearth or Gouging, Rock

And you know me, ofc you can get Gouging

[molten oasis]

No, it’s just bad

[real prairie]

Yeah but you lose a turn setting up the rain

[queen monolith]

Even with water tera liquidation and life orb?

[molten oasis]

Just raw bleakwind

[molten oasis]

Yes

[queen monolith]

Dang

[queen monolith]

I just need more of my dex filled and I can get it

[real prairie]

Rip when it misses, I hate missing 😭

[molten oasis]

That’s the gamble you play

Anyway uh

[queen monolith]

Sash pao and gouging good?

Or should I do hearthflame?

[molten oasis]

You can do that yea

[tough idol]

DM me missing slots

[queen monolith]

Which is the better fire?

[queen monolith]

When I’m back home. Got a valentines dinner

[molten oasis]

Hearthflame

I don’t like triple dragon

[queen monolith]

Valid. But ice and fairy would be neutral wouldnt they?

[tough idol]

Hearthflame gives redirect and less dragon

[queen monolith]

Fire resists ice and fairy. While dragon is weak to it

[molten oasis]

Fairy is resisted and ice is neutral which is fine

[tough idol]

I was just throwing out options

[real prairie]

Speaking of triple, can we talk able triple axel, it's evil lol

[queen monolith]

Anyways. Got to finish cleaning up. You guys are welcome to dm other opinions on it

[molten oasis]

Sure, I’m gonna go get food and play, something else

[dapper crag]

Move: Triple Axel

Hits three times. Power increases to 40 for the second hit and 60 for the third. This move checks accuracy for each hit, and the attack ends if the target avoids a hit. If one of the hits breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the remaining hits. If the user has the Skill Link Ability, this move will always hit three times.

Type

Ice

Category

Physical

Power

20

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

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Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[tough idol]

I'm cooking food and Mons around Rockpon atm

[real prairie]

I think it might be genuinely broken, I've never had it miss if it hits on the 1st strike

[real prairie]

I like rock pon, sturdy follow me is great

[tired sage]

rockpon is great-
goggles follow me sash is amazing

[tough idol]

I'm thinking OTS

[queen monolith]

Does fake out cancel rage powder or nah?

[tired sage]

no i’m saying rockpon has all of that without having all the items xD

[real prairie]

Pretty sure fakeout has higher priority but could be wrong

It has higher priority than follow me

[tired sage]

sturdy for sash-
grass type for immunity to powder moves
follow me :0

[queen monolith]

So maybe covert cloak on amoongus for fake out safety?

[tired sage]

just have sitrus-

[real prairie]

Spiky shield to break other sashes and fake outs

[tough idol]

I wouldn't run Goggles, Rockpon in Open Team Sheet. No surprise factor

[queen monolith]

Unless they do fake out and psychic on amoongus to kill it

[real prairie]

Q, aside from fighting type immunity, what's the benefit of tera ghost on the Leomon ripoff?

[tired sage]

a regular psychic isn’t gonna kill-

well depends on what mon but still

[queen monolith]

X2 damage on amoongus

[real prairie]

But Amoongus is super bulky to special atks

[tired sage]

no i’m saying it depends on the psychic user but usually shroom can take a few hits-
it’s not a glass cannon

[real prairie]

I had a stupid thought that probably means it's time for bed... Assault vest Amoongus for a trick room team, lose the spore but still get to keep pollen puff 🤣

[tired sage]

no

[real prairie]

I said stupid thought lol

TBF it tanks a physchic terrain boosted iron crown expanding force

Not sure what that benefits without spore but it does

[lofty tartan]

It loses Rage Powder too, and Protect

So like it loses a lot of the reasons people play it

No one plays Amoonguss for Pollen Puff pressure

Surviving hits is fine, but it has to do something too

This does nothing.

[real prairie]

Oh I know, but interesting to see, it's going to be useless as a sweeper though

[lofty tartan]

It's not interesting either lol. I'm really sorry, but no, it's just bad. Don't play Assault Vest Amoonguss

[real prairie]

Obviously not 🤣 I just like hypothesizing about madness, it's beyond foolish to actually run it

[nocturne holly]

why in the hell would you ever use av amoonguss

[real prairie]

I wouldn't, just the premise of it's already ridiculous bulk plus assault vest interested me

It's useless in practice

[molten oasis]

Excuse me?

[lofty tartan]

Like interesting is when it has an actual application in anything - useless is bad

[molten oasis]

Who’s running av amoonguss?

Ah, I scrolled up

[real prairie]

No one lol

[lofty tartan]

Things can be bad. It's okay to call something bad. It's okay to have bad ideas. I have bad ideas all the time

[molten oasis]

Just Tera dark/steel lol

[real prairie]

It's merely hypothetical

[real prairie]

Oh I know it was bad from the moment I thought of it and called it out myself lol

Saying it was time for bed 🤣

[next stump]

anyone register for Orlando? I did not but I'm just curious

[molten oasis]

I wish

[real prairie]

I will if you fly me out 😅🤣

[lofty tartan]

Yo Spicy did

I'm still out until better financial position

[next stump]

PSA: Playing the GCs on two carts is no longer allowed

[karmic temple]

Cracking down it seems

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2059585395
Damn-

[wheat geode]

Do full trick room teams need 2 trick room setters minimum?

[next stump]

i'd say so, yes. It's super risky to just have one

[wheat geode]

Can this be mitigated with a Quash user in the event Trick Room isn't set up?

[next stump]

not really, because usually both opposing pokemon can threaten. Also it wouldn't work against dark types, farigarif, or psychic terrain

[wheat geode]

Gotcha, ty!

[mighty stump]

GC2 already? wow

[tired sage]

whoa
:0
GC2 happening i can actually play

[crimson skiff]

Guys did urshifu- rapid strike fall off?🤔

He gets countered by everything nowadays

[rustic mountain]

yea its fallen off a lot

[next stump]

wrong game 💀

[clever harness]

Ya, but there doesn't seem to be any section here to talk about the tcg at all... I mean, there's even a section to talk about games that are not even Pokemon at all, but no section for the Pokemon tcg... 😑

[brazen bough]

im sure there are servers you can find that are dedicated to tcg

but idk what you expected to find by coming into a mainline game server

check stuff like disboard or something

[charred saddle]

what

GC 2 soon?

[fallen garden]

deckbuilding issue fr

[queen monolith]

I’m back

[tired sage]

apparantly :0

[charred saddle]

any rewards announcement?

[slate girder]

#tcg_pocket_discussion

[kind ember]

Me watching my opponent set up +6 evasion on muk (I’m going to helping hand tera normal blood moon them)

[karmic temple]

Ran into taunt twave icy wind hex flutter

What monster did I run into

[minor panther]

they are 10 millenia ahead of our feeble minds

[ember linden]

Guys I cooked a goated Anti Meta team

[molten oasis]

Same as last time

[molten oasis]

you did?

[charred saddle]

ass reward then

[molten oasis]

Facts

Maybe the next one will be better

[charred saddle]

give us something comparable to shiny galarian birds plz

[knotty mirage]

Maybe they will eventually give us a shiny ruinous quartet as a reward for participating online tournament

I really want the blue fish

[mighty stump]

Heres some fun trivia:
Will Wide Guard block a spread move in a 1v1 scenario?

[molten oasis]

No because spread move become single target, right?

[mighty stump]

❌

Still does

[dull ibex]

F

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/4e3e70e1ca305218

any inputs?

havent made a specific EV spread MU

[woven zodiac]

Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2059749743-gcd3jvj0libn90y1u9si0xx3q914mgmpw

plays out quite well