competitive_discussion

[charred saddle]

specs

[brazen bough]

flutter isnt falling off

[charred saddle]

just to ohko zacian

[ember linden]

Of course not it will just have a tough time.

[rustic mountain]

flutter def falling off

[ember linden]

It’ll be forced to run tw stuff, and even then tw + zacian aka a common core will just counter it

[bold geode]

Nah

[ember linden]

Flutter is probably done for

[rustic mountain]

yep

[bold geode]

Flutter could probably do SOMETHING against it

[brazen bough]

i think booster is good enough

and + hearthflame stomps zaci

[rustic mountain]

jus not gna be much reason to have it anymore, booster speed isnt gna provide as much value

[charred saddle]

firepon will be wuite nice

[bold geode]

Flutter will probably find some use

[brazen bough]

booster speed is good

[rustic mountain]

its not gna b gone like completely

but its not gna b wat it is now

[brazen bough]

its gonna be support mane and it can still do decent damage

[bold geode]

You know what will find use though
The fucking WWE cat hell yeah brother

[brazen bough]

for sure i agree

[ember linden]

Look at booster speed Flutter and then look at Choice Scarf Shadow Rider, which one you picking 😭

[bold geode]

What is it now?

[brazen bough]

chien?

[charred saddle]

i mean flutter might be tend towards sashed and max max

[supple ether]

Idk, 135spatk in a format where 150spatk is common seems a lil sus. Im not convinced it has the sauce

[brazen bough]

for sure

[charred saddle]

if it comes to that

[brazen bough]

both

[bold geode]

No
Almighty king Incineroar

[next stump]

252+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Ogerpon-Hearthflame in Rain: 180-213 (96.2 - 113.9%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

[brazen bough]

who said double ghost doesnt exist

[ember linden]

It’s one or the other

[charred saddle]

shit i forgot about kyogre

[ember linden]

You shouldn’t use both lol

[bold geode]

Chien Pao will be used too, Chien Pao Rayquaza will hit the ladder real fast at the start

[supple ether]

Kybogre a lil washed

[rustic mountain]

arguably the best mon in the format as mainly a damage dealer nd also somehow a weird taunt set

[brazen bough]

what about horn leech

[charred saddle]

restricted also means new weather war haha

[brazen bough]

im tellin yall full bulk hearth is the move

[bold geode]

Once again
Fuck that Taunt set

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 382: Kyogre

Type

Water

Abilities

Drizzle

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/90/150/140/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Kyogre-Primal

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[charred saddle]

oh but pon is faster ye

[rustic mountain]

dude that set is so strange to me

[solid frigate]

Damn Ogerpon-

[brazen bough]

what set

[ember linden]

I believe Kyogre will be a scarf mon, if it isn’t it’s eating that

[bold geode]

I love getting walled by Gholdengo as a Flutter Mane

[rustic mountain]

the one kasty popularized recently
protect-icy wind-taunt-moonblast booster speed

[charred saddle]

mystic water tw is also a possibility

[ember linden]

Mhm

[charred saddle]

especially with tera,l

[brazen bough]

taunt is weird but thats mostly standard

[charred saddle]

u can tera defensively to take hits

[brazen bough]

and it still does a shit ton of damage yall are sleeping on booster speed

[rustic mountain]

taunt is wat makes it weird, the rest is fine

[brazen bough]

i wanna run sub flutter

[rustic mountain]

i get the reasoning but also dont think its justifiable enough but i cant argue the results

[bold geode]

I mean Taunt has its reasoning, but don't be a bitch
Just go wack they ass before they set up sweep or Spore you
Fuck you

Fuck Taunt Flutter

[next stump]

I think it’s mostly because shadow ball isn’t OHKOing opposing flutter anyways on that set so you just try to prevent spore, TR, and parting shot

[brazen bough]

i mean it beats fari right?

[ember linden]

Horn leech to Kyogre isn’t the best point ever, when do you wanna bring firepon to a Kyogre matchup

[next stump]

but you hard lose to gholdengo

[charred saddle]

thing is, flutter cant ohko amoonguss so

[bold geode]

Which you honestly shouldn't as a Flutter Mane

[rustic mountain]

yea it leans more on the support/enabler side, it jus feels awkward to me

but its consistently been doing well so

[brazen bough]

i mean sash can kinda solve that problem and you scrap protect

[bold geode]

Yeah sadly
Then again Smeargle got a top cut so shit happens

[brazen bough]

wait when

charlotte?

[bold geode]

Was it Portland or Charlotte idr

[ember linden]

Look at sash flutter and look at sash Shadow Rider

[brazen bough]

or you mean recently

[bold geode]

Idk just fuck Smeargle is all I know

[brazen bough]

im not talking abt restricted rn

[next stump]

charlotte IIRC

[ember linden]

Oh alr

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[bold geode]

Good
Fuck Smeargle though
I hate it

[brazen bough]

yeah it was charlotte

[supple ether]

Grimsnarl could be clapping cheeks next format

[bold geode]

I know Enzo Reci ran it

[brazen bough]

smeargle should be coming back in restricted

[rustic mountain]

well kasty, then tang top 8 and a cppl others got like top 32 w/ it, seems like more then a flukey team by a great player who knows smeargle really well

[ember linden]

What’s smeargle gonna do in restricted?

[bold geode]

True

[bold geode]

We ain't even talking about restricted lmao

[brazen bough]

I was

[ember linden]

.

[bold geode]

I ain't

Smeargle ain't doing shit in restricted as it ain't doing shit now except pairing itself next to A Muk and making me think about choosing violence

[rustic mountain]

yea smeargle jus came in at a bad time

and a lot of really good mons have been introduced since it was last legal

that it does not like playing vs

nd bo3 cts vs ots is a gamechanger

its a cts warrior

[supple ether]

Let smeargle rot in hell. If it gets removed from everygame going forward Ill smile

[rustic mountain]

ik its history but i never played vs it until this gen, started vgc in swsh

[bold geode]

I started it in the ass end of Reg A brother, I'm fresh and I already got battle scars

[rustic mountain]

lmao

thats vgc for ya

[bold geode]

Literally someone brought in Reg E tour right
Hands, Cress, shroom, and something else
I killed the 4th thing fast, so they used the other 3 to stall out the entire game and I almost put holes in my wall

I was so pissed off I quit the whole damn tour LMFAO

[rustic mountain]

damn

yea sometimes it can be frustrating

like me this last gc

[bold geode]

It was even worse cuz the fucking shroom kept living on 1HP

[rustic mountain]

fuuuuck

i should try doing tours again

[solid frigate]

wait which item Boost Evasion-

[rustic mountain]

bright powder

[supple ether]

Bright powder

[solid frigate]

thanks

[charred saddle]

started vgc at the end reg E

i think im one of the newer player here haha

[rustic mountain]

we all started somewhere

[bold geode]

Should
There's actually an event Tom Hayden is doing from 23rd to essentially March 1st where him and a bunch of other people are hosting tours throughout a week long period for Pokemon Day
"Pokemon Day Week"

[rustic mountain]

maybe ill do one that week

[charred saddle]

arent u hosting too in that monke?

[rustic mountain]

depends on the times

[solid frigate]

Started in Gen 6,but losing Knowledge in Gen 8 and not as good in gen 9 cuz the meta-

[bold geode]

No sadly not
For reasons I won't talk about

[rustic mountain]

losing knowledge as in didnt play?

[charred saddle]

ahh okok

[bold geode]

Let's just say they are good ones

[charred saddle]

i mean u can still gain knowledge by watching gameplays

[bold geode]

And that I left the organization I was with

[rustic mountain]

im jus trynna understand wat they meant by that

[charred saddle]

[solid frigate]

i skipped Gen 8 cuz what i seen in that Competitve Scene-

[silver ravine]

How does hyper voice a normal attack hit a ghost type?

[bold geode]

I'm in the works of getting another org set up but hey

[rustic mountain]

is it bloodmoon

[silver ravine]

Yea

[supple ether]

Bloodmoon

[rustic mountain]

ability

minds eye

[solid frigate]

I did played some Gen 8 much later in like 2021 but thats about it

[silver ravine]

Jesus Game Freak really said "Balance lol"

[charred saddle]

cough cough free hyperbeam every 2 turns that hits ghost too btw

[rustic mountain]

yea i mean tbh every gen is a reset in a way. sure the fundamentals stay the same but the entire dynamic of wat the games played around i.e new battle gimmick changes. that as well as new mons and such

wat i mean is u dont lose knowledge necessarily by skipping or missing a gen

maybe some new mon stats and such but u jus learn those interactions and damge rolls and wat not as u play like always, experience is king

[charred saddle]

btw idk im seeing lots of AV bm with vacuum wave

[rustic mountain]

ive never played vs av bm

[charred saddle]

like it took only 40% from moonblast so i assumed its av

[solid frigate]

kinda true,i am not comfortable with Dynamax but Terastalisation actually feels comfortable for me,but yeah agree on what you say

[charred saddle]

saw like 2 from 5 bm now

[rustic mountain]

yea sometimes that happens, the new mechanics dont always resonate w/ players. sometimes u jus gta adjust tho if u wanna keep playing. if u dont enjoy it then yea no point

[rustic mountain]

weird

[solid frigate]

exactly

[charred saddle]

36+ SpA Protosynthesis Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Ursaluna-Bloodmoon: 97-115 (44 - 52.2%) -- 18% chance to 2HKO

yeah def AV

and a bery bulky spread too

idk might be just inlucky MU

[silver ravine]

Going to need to make a spreadsheet of pokemon I ought to taunt. Forgot polygon had trickroom D:

[solid frigate]

damn now i made weather team my least exp is actually snow team-

[solid frigate]

[silver ravine]

I wish Talonflame wasn't so fragile

[solid frigate]

yeah its one of my fav tailwind setupper

I miss Gen 6 when Talonflame just spam Brave bird-

[silver ravine]

Using taunt on Corviknight just isn't the same. Then you have to hope Talon somehow lives next turn and is able to use tailwind

[solid frigate]

true

[gentle delta]

A small blip on the radar is hardly a resurgence. But I'm indifferent to it, it doesn't affect my teambuilding even slightly.

[elder bridge]

What’s a Pokémon that can set up and beats chi Yu + flutter mane speed booster

[wheat geode]

Is regular Ursaluna as good as BM Ursaluna in competitive?

[mighty stump]

Different slightly in how they run

[mighty stump]

Any Calm Mind mon, Typing wise Primarina can be good for Chi-Yu. I don’t find Spe Boosting FM actually does that much damage

I had good success with CM Raging Bolt

Despite the SE, I have initial snarl@support

So its not a big deal

Chi-Yu is also tends to be Choice’d

So

[wheat geode]

Gotcha! Is Trick Room necessary to get it going or is it just one tool to enable it if it happens to have 0 speed?

[lunar fiber]

they could have put levitate on gliscor as a ability ngl it can kinda be cool in my opinion

[molten oasis]

…

What typing is gliscor?

[charred saddle]

i mean it can tera

[molten oasis]

🤔

[charred saddle]

and still have levitate

[molten oasis]

I’m like 90% sure something has levitate and gets nothing out of it

Like not even defensively

Oh it’s Rotom fan

[dapper crag]

Ability: Mold Breaker

This Pokemon's moves and their effects ignore certain Abilities of other Pokemon. The Abilities that can be negated are Armor Tail, Aroma Veil, Aura Break, Battle Armor, Big Pecks, Bulletproof, Clear Body, Contrary, Damp, Dazzling, Disguise, Dry Skin, Earth Eater, Filter, Flash Fire, Flower Gift, Flower Veil, Fluffy, Friend Guard, Fur Coat, Good as Gold, Grass Pelt, Guard Dog, Heatproof, Heavy Metal, Hyper Cutter, Ice Face, Ice Scales, Illuminate, Immunity, Inner Focus, Insomnia, Keen Eye, Leaf Guard, Levitate, Light Metal, Lightning Rod, Limber, Magic Bounce, Magma Armor, Marvel Scale, Mind's Eye, Mirror Armor, Motor Drive, Multiscale, Oblivious, Overcoat, Own Tempo, Pastel Veil, Punk Rock, Purifying Salt, Queenly Majesty, Sand Veil, Sap Sipper, Shell Armor, Shield Dust, Simple, Snow Cloak, Solid Rock, Soundproof, Sticky Hold, Storm Drain, Sturdy, Suction Cups, Sweet Veil, Tangled Feet, Telepathy, Tera Shell, Thermal Exchange, Thick Fat, Unaware, Vital Spirit, Volt Absorb, Water Absorb, Water Bubble, Water Veil, Well-Baked Body, White Smoke, Wind Rider, Wonder Guard, and Wonder Skin. This affects every other Pokemon on the field, whether or not it is a target of this Pokemon's move, and whether or not their Ability is beneficial to this Pokemon.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Ogerpon-Hearthflame's moveset:

Physical Moves

Brick Break, Bullet Seed, Counter, Double Kick, Facade, False Swipe, Fling, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Horn Leech, Ivy Cudgel, Knock Off, Lash Out, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Play Rough, Power Whip, Quick Attack, Retaliate, Reversal, Rock Tomb, Seed Bomb, Slam, Solar Blade, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Take Down, Throat Chop, Trailblaze, U-turn, Vine Whip, Wood Hammer, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Solar Beam, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Charm, Encore, Endure, Focus Energy, Follow Me, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Helping Hand, Leech Seed, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Spiky Shield, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Ogerpon-Hearthflame.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

interesting

For shits and giggles you could helping hand your own dengo, if that’s how it works

Or taunt an opposing gholdengo

[dapper crag]

Ability: Good as Gold

This Pokemon is immune to Status moves.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[cyan smelt]

Taunt farigiraf

[molten oasis]

You can taunt it anyway

Fari doesn’t block taunt

[cyan smelt]

Just blocks prio taunt

[molten oasis]

Yea, ogerpon doesn’t have prio taunt

[cyan smelt]

True

[molten oasis]

Not that it cares it gets prio against it

Mold breaker ignores armor tail

[cyan smelt]

Tinkaton can encore a gholdengo

Same with ogerpon

[mighty stump]

you can FO the Farigiraf lmaoo

[molten oasis]

lol true

[real prairie]

any mold breaker - fake out users?

[cyan smelt]

Tinkaton

[real prairie]

sorry, let me rephrase,
Any viable mold breaker - Fake out users?
😉

[cyan smelt]

Nope

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2058303923 funni dondozo mind games

Head smash onto pao was stupid from me lmao

[mighty stump]

Tinkaton

#Rank1WithTinkaton

[mighty stump]

Who tf let Serperior part of the team

[bold geode]

🤷‍♂️

Some of the stuff invalid lmao

I just posted it just fuck cuz

[tough idol]

Just rearranged my shifts at work so I'm free for the EUIC ticket waves

[timber falcon]

Lmao the bears are always menacing once activated

[next stump]

good luck 🙂

[real prairie]

How has araquanid snuck in there lol

[bold geode]

🤷‍♂️

[tired atlas]

Araquanid actually has a niche with Water Bubble

[mighty stump]

Let's be real

It's still shit

[tired atlas]

I mean yeah

[mighty stump]

Something remotely resists Water and you start crying

[tired atlas]

But better than Kantonian Ninetales and Enamorus and Serperior

[mighty stump]

Ninetales getting 2nd in the GC likes to have a word w you

If I had to rank those 4 though, Ninetales > Enam > Araquanid > Serperior

[tired atlas]

It’s the GC, immediately invalid

[mighty stump]

Why though

[tired atlas]

CTS bo1

And I want to be right

[mighty stump]

That;s like saying Suica/UB_Slow are terrible players despite hitting ranked 1 multiple times

[tired atlas]

I mean I see a niche for Ninetales

[tired atlas]

Yeah it was a stupid point

[mighty stump]

I hate Bo1 CTS as much as the next dude but I have to admit

Whatever happened to Rhyperior

[tired atlas]

Wait what about Rhyperior

[mighty stump]

Idk, it had a random usage on a TR/TW mix team then disappeared again

Here I was thinking Tera + Solid Rock would be good

[tired atlas]

Hold up that’s actually not the worst idea

Definitely a Tera Hog tho

Especially with all the WaterPon around

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/5cd1614b7bf30da0 any thoughts on this raikou? i didnt like how fragile regileki was and rly liked the idea of being able to howl

[mighty stump]

Yikes

Definitely not

Just run Gouging Fire

[tired atlas]

^^^

[mighty stump]

That Raikou is walled by Ground types

[timber falcon]

oh yeah forgot its mainly there for screens

whats a reliable screen setter#

[mighty stump]

Grimmsnarl

[timber falcon]

hmm ok ill try it out

[polar canyon]

Hey tofu

I saw in your blog that you showed an eject pack torkoal team

How do you deal with incineroar when you have that?

That was a nice post btw I like it

[timber falcon]

in the end i stuck with regileki ( i like the webs)

[polar canyon]

Doesn't grimm get priority scary face?

And twave

But the 90 acc always screws me over

[timber falcon]

doesnt hit both which is what i rly like

it lets my h-arcanine get wilo-wisp first or better rockslide flinch

[mighty stump]

You just get a free switch

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/d369c0effc1ef47e this is the team its on

should i run amulet on h-arc? incin rly getting on my nerves

[timber falcon]

uhh anyone have a specs flutter set? :]

last team ill build for a while, still looking for flutter evs

https://pokepast.es/8e59fbb6db6c5976

[next stump]

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2024/02/12/pokemon-world-championship-2026-nintendo-esports.html

Worlds 2026 leaked before we even have a date for Worlds this year 😭

[brazen bough]

😂

wait 2026 isnt that gen 10

[next stump]

yeah it should be if they follow the same schedule

[bold geode]

Lmao

[real prairie]

just faced Meostics + Amoongus team and i now want to cry

Skill swap + Spore

[tired sage]

lmao

[real prairie]

prankster spore is not okay

[tired sage]

ez bring a dark type-

[real prairie]

true true

but it caught me off guard tbf

[grizzled bronze]

slow spore better

[real prairie]

I could have tera grass but i was confident id KO

[grizzled bronze]

you dont burn sleep turns on the same turn

[timber falcon]

Yeah but prankster spore means u don’t get obliterated b4 u can even spore

Also any specs flutter sets? :]

[grizzled bronze]

brady smith probably has one

[timber falcon]

Who’s he

[grizzled bronze]

let me pull up the link

[brazen bough]

yes it is?

thats broken

[grizzled bronze]

https://twitter.com/vgccorner/status/1741212844631244868?t=Ntp8W7e7u6_nX552f3XdSQ&s=19

Brady Smith - VGC Corner (@vgccorner) on X

How to use Flutter Mane in Pokemon VGC Regulation F

Howdy, everyone! In this post, I will supply you with different ways to use Flutter Mane in Regulation F. I will also break down how to use each one.

The Flutter Mane options I go over:

• Booster Speed
• Booster SpA
• Choice…

Twitter · Dec 30, 2023, 9:41 PM

[timber falcon]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to taiki._.

[grizzled bronze]

i think it's speed crept so maybe adjust the speed a lil bit if you need to

[brazen bough]

the main reason why amoonguss is so popular is because of bulk alongside having redirect and regenerator

[grizzled bronze]

yup

[brazen bough]

if its just a slow mon with spore it wouldnt have near as much usage

amoonguss just happens to have an insane support kit

but fast spores are so sought after

[timber falcon]

Yeah if amoongus had the abilities prankster or regenerator we all know what we using

[brazen bough]

what are you talking about

[timber falcon]

Why slow spore isn’t as useful as fast

But I misspelled lol

[brazen bough]

well i mean it goes both way

[grizzled bronze]

i feel like regenerator is still better for amon if you had the choice

[brazen bough]

none is specifically better than the other

but if you really think about it

[timber falcon]

Yeah IF it existed farig usage skyrockets

[brazen bough]

a fast spore mon needs to have something other than spore to make it good

[timber falcon]

Like bulk ?

[brazen bough]

fast spore doesnt always mean prankster

[timber falcon]

How fast we talking then

[brazen bough]

and prankster spore is never happening

[grizzled bronze]

i mean there's breloom but

[timber falcon]

Idk game freak makes some poor choices cough* cough* unseen fists

[brazen bough]

toedscruel speed should be sufficient

[timber falcon]

But it’s ability says Nuh uh

[grizzled bronze]

yeah game freak said "no you're not getting usage"

[timber falcon]

Fr they nerfing the one of the first interesting mons in sv

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 949: Toedscruel

Types

Ground/Grass

Abilities

Mycelium Might

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/70/65/80/120/100

Total

515

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[timber falcon]

Defence stat lets it down

[brazen bough]

i mean i wouldnt want a 167 speed 100% sleep mon running around either

thats just common sense in terms of balancing

but at that point why even make the mon

[timber falcon]

I mean we got grass types

And goggles and overcoat

But cause of lack of spore mons people don’t focus too much on stopping it

As much as possible at least

[grizzled bronze]

oh well amoong still best spore user

[timber falcon]

Yep

In vgc at least, cause in singles breloom takes it

[real prairie]

Weezing + Tpedscruel anyone? 👀

[brazen bough]

thats not happening

you have no offensive pressure with that

[grizzled bronze]

just to spore 😭

[real prairie]

toxic and leech seeds. be a fun stall team lol

[grizzled bronze]

can probably work in singles

[real prairie]

then how would you negate its ability? lol

[grizzled bronze]

idk i just feel like that core is not very good

[real prairie]

ive found the flaw in my plan.... you cant spore and toxic 🤣

[polar canyon]

And no sun

That's usually the point in using it

[timber falcon]

theres a rental team on it.......

[upbeat quail]

I feel like I’m plateauing and misplaying so hard lately. Idk what’s going on with me

[timber falcon]

i usually stop playing when the happens to me, its that random streak of being read easily and forfeiting no?

[upbeat quail]

Yeah it’s making me hella frustrated and nervous to even play

Don’t wanna tank my rating

[grizzled bronze]

if you're starting to tilt take a break

[timber falcon]

i just lost 3 games in a row to first turn crits

what the heck

[grizzled bronze]

oh well we get rng'd sometimes

[tired sage]

rng…
a players best friend and worst enemy

[real prairie]

God, im so sorry 🤣 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2058524635

[tired sage]

i need bleach-

[charred saddle]

ive seen weezing and toedscruel before

it was a scarfed toedscruel and spore set

very speedy spore

[real prairie]

its vile, i hate it

and i created it

[real prairie]

this seems somewhat counter productive, after it spores, then what? lol

[tired sage]

i’m gonna get some cleaning products to eat and wash my eyes with-

it hurts seeing that

[real prairie]

question is, do i put ghost tera on toed 👀

[charred saddle]

? spore again duh

[real prairie]

get that STAB Hex

[real prairie]

yea i get the premise but after they are spored wheres the damage coming from?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 949: Toedscruel

Types

Ground/Grass

Abilities

Mycelium Might

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/70/65/80/120/100

Total

515

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[charred saddle]

with scarf it can outspeed non speed booster flutter, and by doing so you can literally control some speed tiers

by no means im saying its good, im just saying on what i see

[real prairie]

thats why i brought tornadus, Tailwind + protect, then swap out and spore

[polar canyon]

Bro the special rampardos? The eq ursa next to tera steel amoonguss?

[polar canyon]

This game

Never let that opponent cook again

Not even I make stuff like that

The sheer force ancient power

[real prairie]

yeah i didnt get his team lol

[timber falcon]

lmao he actually did it

[polar canyon]

If I don't wanna use specs on mane for a sun team what even are my options?

[timber falcon]

sash?

life orb?

[polar canyon]

I want sash on chi yu

I can give chi yu the orb

And put sash on mane

[timber falcon]

sash chi yu seems better ngl

[polar canyon]

I could just use a fairy feather or something

[timber falcon]

life orb flutter is fine with proto boost

[polar canyon]

Pixie plate same thing

[timber falcon]

orb gives more boosts on but on all moves

[polar canyon]

I want it bulky tho and what are the calcs worth if it dies the next turn from recoil

[timber falcon]

https://twitter.com/vgccorner/status/1741212844631244868?t=Ntp8W7e7u6_nX552f3XdSQ&s=19

Brady Smith - VGC Corner (@vgccorner) on X

How to use Flutter Mane in Pokemon VGC Regulation F

Howdy, everyone! In this post, I will supply you with different ways to use Flutter Mane in Regulation F. I will also break down how to use each one.

The Flutter Mane options I go over:

• Booster Speed
• Booster SpA
• Choice…

Twitter · Dec 30, 2023, 9:41 PM

this should help better than me

[polar canyon]

Alright

That guy is really cool

[timber falcon]

yeah but for u he only got sash

so yeah

[polar canyon]

Maybe I just don't use mane

[timber falcon]

yeah i never force manes onto teams (im just horrible at piloting it)

[polar canyon]

I thought maybe I could use thundurus for sun setting instead of torn so I can volt switch onto opposing torn or urshifu

Then I thought

[timber falcon]

torn for sure

[polar canyon]

If I'm using twave speed control what if I used hex mane

But nah

I don't think it's worth it

[timber falcon]

why wouldnt u go for the tailwind torn

[polar canyon]

Because volt switch is cool

And eerie impulse is cool

[timber falcon]

u remind me of myself a while ago lmao

[polar canyon]

I remind me of myself too

[timber falcon]

id use latias and when someone asked why not torn id say cause shes cooler

anyway'

[polar canyon]

With cool I don't mean just style points

I want to try eerie impulse

[timber falcon]

can u send pokepaste? so i know what im looking at

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/424de4f3a99d167a not much going on yet

I thought I'd make wake speed creep lando i

[timber falcon]

thunderus on a sun team seems odd tbh

[polar canyon]

I can just do whims

[timber falcon]

yeah u should

[polar canyon]

Id use torn if bleakwind wasn't such a gamble

[timber falcon]

dont worry, it will only miss when u need it the most

[polar canyon]

I've had bleakwind and another 90 acc move miss urshi on the same turn

Either would kill

Bring down to sash I mean

[timber falcon]

watched my opponent miss 2 bleakwinds in a row (one hit and i wouldve lost)

in fact i never ever run it without rain anymore

[polar canyon]

Bleakwind + supersweet syrup hydrapple meta

Rain who?

[timber falcon]

torn

[timber falcon]

chien pao

[polar canyon]

Actually it's tera steel hydrapple

[timber falcon]

sacred sword

and im pretty sure paonite crushes

[polar canyon]

I meant fire

[timber falcon]

still its a forced early tera

might work but its gonna be inconsisten

[polar canyon]

I'm not actually gonna do that

[timber falcon]

oh ok gud

[polar canyon]

Back to the drawing board

So far I only have the wake chi yu whims fwg core

I think I wanna deal with archaludon rain

I'm not super worried about dozo because unaware works against it if you spam draco with wake

Might change tera to fairy to avoid order up

[timber falcon]

dozo runs unaware?

thats news to me tbh

i always thougt oblivious to stop incin pivot spam

[polar canyon]

I actually just don't know

But that makes more sense

It used to have unaware more often tho

Apparently unaware is still more common

[karmic temple]

Oblivious is more common now bc of incin but unaware was used a lot more in earlier regs I believe

[polar canyon]

Isn't it unaware on that one team with base ogerpon and meteor beam glimm?

[shell sandal]

do i need 0 spe on indeedee and armarouge for a tr team

[inland flint]

hey guys, im just starting in competitive pokémon and i made my first team for Reg.F ( https://pokepast.es/e84bff0e2292050b ) can anyone tell me what i can add or remove in this team ? Thanks

[grizzled bronze]

you should show evs

[inland flint]

oh sorry

https://pokepast.es/2d04c379d32ac3bd

[shell sandal]

https://pokepast.es/484520c69949433b

hi im trying to figure out the ideal IVs for speed for sinistcha, armorouge and indeedee (i got a 1/100 marked shiny indeedee with "decent" speed so im panicking rn lol)

anyone got any tips for the ivs

[grizzled bronze]

you might wanna adjust mane's evs to be bulky but other than that seems pretty solid

[tired sage]

oooo a basculegion team :0

[inland flint]

hmm got it

[grizzled bronze]

cause max max mane when not sash is not very good

[tired sage]

i think 252 jolly out-speeds booster flutter?

[inland flint]

for the basculegion ?

[grizzled bronze]

you might wanna tweak some of their movesets

[tired sage]

yes

[grizzled bronze]

also it's fine even with not 0 ivs for indeedee cause you're not sweeping with it anyways

[shell sandal]

could i compete in online tournaments with that indeedee and stuff or nah

[tired sage]

nevermind-

[shell sandal]

also the main thing is whether the iron hands needs 0 spe because i need to get an aprishiny of it if so

[tired sage]

it doesn’t outspeed

[grizzled bronze]

i think you're relying on tr too much

[inland flint]

yeah, only with tailwind/swift swin

[shell sandal]

wdym

its a dual tr team

[grizzled bronze]

terrain extender is not very good btw

probably give it rocky instead

[shell sandal]

alr bet, i got extras of that

what pokemon do i need to have in this team tho

[grizzled bronze]

ally switch is also not very good cause once you reveal it, it becomes predictable

[shell sandal]

so does the armarouge need 0 spe?

or should that be the pokemon that can operate with or without trick room, alongside sinistcha

and incin

[grizzled bronze]

that i do not know, i dont play tr that much

[shell sandal]

ahhh the issue is i like the play all shiny marked

and it makes it complicated when i need 0 spe pokes

[grizzled bronze]

sounds painful but i respect the dedication

[shell sandal]

yea but it makes for an awful time battling lol

[tired sage]

not really-

[grizzled bronze]

still a waste of a slot tbh

[shell sandal]

idk thats prolly a minor issue, the main issues are the speed stuff

[grizzled bronze]

i understand if it's like ots where you make your opponents second guess

[shell sandal]

ive won games before by swapping armor and torkoal and then spamming heat wave, eruption multiple times

[next stump]

you really want Hands to be min speed if you’re running TR

underspending bloodmoon is one of its best strengths

speeding*

[shell sandal]

OH BABY

I JUST GOT A WILD SHINY 0 SPE IRON HANDS 😭

there is ABSOLUTELY no shot

[next stump]

that’s a good catch hahaha

[shell sandal]

i was panicking before cuz my team would be hard to make but now lol

[shell sandal]

not so painful now is it... 🤣

[timber falcon]

Sheesh that’s good

btw if amoomgus is being run, do i go for as slow as possible?

[charred saddle]

hmmmm

salamence might be nice

[timber falcon]

For Wut

[charred saddle]

i just feel like theres a lot of openings for flying types, + intim

prob gonna be running special salamence

run like a bulky tailwind and special attack investment

prob the good thing with mence is that it doesnt get threatened by clap bolt

which becomes neutral, and can tera defensively to like fairy for dragon moves

and walls waterpon and firepon quite well

1/4 grass resists fw

[lofty tartan]

I'm big on Gouging Fire right now and that's one of the reasons. Really good into Ogerpon

[charred saddle]

yeah, waterpon can still play around a little since its neutral, but like speedy + swipe also does the trick

[lofty tartan]

Yeah the Swipe keeps Waterpon in check

[charred saddle]

yep

[lofty tartan]

If they don't Tera you get a neutral Heat Crash too

[charred saddle]

oh ye chonky entei

rockpon is kinda good for gf hmm

-1 still hurts tho

[fluid wind]

https://pokepast.es/be043083837789c3 what yall think

[charred saddle]

why CA?

u cant get intimidated with inner focus anyway

and i feel like with annihilape with bulk up sets, you kinda want a support for it like clefairy, waterpon or something that can enables it

rilla fakeout can help, but with fari around its kinda hard for you to play around that

[dapper crag]

Move: Drum Beating

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Speed by 1 stage.

Type

Grass

Category

Physical

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[charred saddle]

woodhammer > drum beating

[solid frigate]

Greninja is bad In VGC,Yes as a Greninja fan i am saying this

[charred saddle]

120 bp + grass terrain + stab

[bold geode]

What talking about?

[charred saddle]

this

[solid frigate]

if you want to use a Protean Mon,Use Meowscarada

[bold geode]

Ok

First off, I'd love to see EV spreads before I make full judgement

[charred saddle]

im not in a position to say this or that are bad, im just giving out opinions on what i see is weird. but like ye

[solid frigate]

Sure Greninja's Base Typing is Overall better than Meow but it does not hit hard

[charred saddle]

theres people who wanna use the mon so

cant really say anything

[fluid wind]

i forgot about that lol

[charred saddle]

protean stuff just isnt that good i feel

[solid frigate]

Well i have the same exact scenario where my team has a Greninja

[charred saddle]

tera doesnt work with protean

[solid frigate]

and i get clapped in the match and letcuring

[bold geode]

@fluid wind do you have EV spreads for said team? I'd like to see those if so

[charred saddle]

and it only works once now

[fluid wind]

yea greninja sucks for attacking lol

[fluid wind]

yea but they prob suck tho lol

[bold geode]

Don't care, show anyways

[charred saddle]

i mean we wont like bully you haha

[solid frigate]

Unless you did the Ubers Strat where Greninja as Lead and do Support instead of Attacker,But still its not as good as Gen 6 Greninja which i heavily Abuse at that point

[charred saddle]

with that team u prob want a more bulkier team

[bold geode]

I might no I won't

[fluid wind]

https://pokepast.es/48a6d9e472c09839

[charred saddle]

annihilape, rilla av and like bulky mane

[fluid wind]

yea i did

[charred saddle]

idk, feels like zapdos and mane wanted more bulk

[bold geode]

Scratching my head alright gimme a minute
I'm gonna write a novel just be warned

[charred saddle]

idk for ape since i mever played eith them

[solid frigate]

also Protean with Shuriken and Protect aren't that good,Only U Turn and Dark Pulse i would say its ok

[charred saddle]

ye i go sleep now

[fluid wind]

yea i didnt know what to put for greninja the shrukien is just for rage fist lol

and so far the team sucks lol im 4-1 so far lol i just wanted to use a water tera annilape so i decied it with greninja thinking it will make it better

[solid frigate]

there are loads of Moves that could benefit with Protean Greninja

Grass Knot
Extrasensory
Rock Slide
Hydro Pump
Dark Pulse
U-Turn
Ice Beam
Gunk Shot
Low Kick

And Even Set Up Moves like Toxic Spikes,Spikes,Toxic are good for the specifics but VGC won't use them

[bold geode]

First off, you want bulk all around for Ape. Max HP and then go from there. Damage Calculator actually has a default spread that works (says Sitrus probably but Lefties works with it as well). Everything else for Ape is fine

Greninja is ass. Can go with something else like Ogerpon Wellspring or Urshifu Rapid Strike.

Rillaboom wants more definitive bulk too, so Max HP and then go from there, can ask for spreads if need be. Wood Hammer is just better than Drum Beating as Wood Hammer secures KOs you usually want to whereas you're not really worried about speed control coming from Rillaboom (as it's speed control is it's priority moves in Fake Out and Grassy Glide).

Flutter Mane wants physical bulk. I can give spread there if need be but it wants physical bulk for sure and doesn't necessarily need to be max speed.

Entei wants more speed than that

Zapdos is alright but not as great. I'd look in other Tailwind setters

[bold geode]

Wake up bitch
Wkwkwk

[fluid wind]

yea i didnt know what else tailwinds i should use lol

[bold geode]

Tornadus, Suicune, Roaring Moon possibly

[fluid wind]

also i was thinking that the bulk up will cover the defense lol

i forgot about those lol

[solid frigate]

i noticed Your Team is quite Frail in Trick Room,Unless Rillaboom Or Entei showed up but one Psychic Surge or Armor Tail would be death sentence

[bold geode]

Nope
Need to live hits in order to bulk up as well

[fluid wind]

yea but im probley not gonna make this team in scarlet because it sucks lol

but ill try the changes tho to see if i can win alot with it

[bold geode]

Aight

[solid frigate]

may i try to edit his team?

[fluid wind]

also what what think about chesnaut cuz thinking about making a team with him

[solid frigate]

Kalos Starters are Very Weak in VGC and only good Formats that they in are in Smogon

[bold geode]

I don't care

[fluid wind]

alright

[bold geode]

Chesnaught ain't really that good

[solid frigate]

true

the Problem with the Kalos Starter as a Whole,is that its not as good in Stat wise,Delphox is decent but Magician is not a good ability to use and use Choice Specs more reliant

[fluid wind]

yea

[solid frigate]

Greninja is good largely is the Ability and Movepool

i used Greninja a lot,Like A LOT.

[fluid wind]

i remeber when the kitukami legendarys got allowed i used this team that i got to masters https://pokepast.es/6950ba4040e23b86

[solid frigate]

only sub legendaries and some how Ogerpon is allowed but eh i don't mind

[timber falcon]

Munkidori sweep?

[solid frigate]

Nichie but funny tho

[timber falcon]

Why on earth does entei need amulet for?

[solid frigate]

thats what i thinking,Like You already had Inner Focus

[timber falcon]

Yeah

And icy wind and stuff isn’t s threat

[solid frigate]

Either Band or Life orb is better than Amulet

[timber falcon]

Yep yep

[solid frigate]

i am trying to make his team a bit better

5/6 Pokemon had Protect damn

[bold geode]

Yeah
Clear Amulet is for other stuff like Breaking Swipe or Icy Wind

[solid frigate]

and Entei Really doesn't matter cuz E-Speed exist so its attack won't go low anyways because of Inner Focus

[bold geode]

That's where you're wrong

Puts a singular Ghost type in front of it

Also sure the first Espeed may be unaffected
But Gouging, a main user of Breaking Swipe, is a physical tank
So the first Espeed might go off all cylinders, but then that second will be mitigated

And if they're lucky enough you've popped tera, you can even get burned

One of the greatest counters to Entei is it's actual ancestor lmao

[solid frigate]

wait,lemme try gouging Fire on his team

Zapdos is kinda a problem cuz its only good in Rain...

what other item does flutter Mane excels at

[timber falcon]

This doesn’t seem worth it at all

[bold geode]

It can be

It's not the worst idea

[timber falcon]

But there’s better

[solid frigate]

does Life Orb works on Flutter Mane?

[timber falcon]

Id only run that in a sun team

[solid frigate]

thats what i am thinking

cuz Zapdos is not beneficial on Sun Teams

[timber falcon]

Weather ball maybe?

[solid frigate]

lemme check

[lofty tartan]

It has Weather Ball, but it's probably not great with Zapdos.

Zapdos more of the bulky TW setter

[timber falcon]

All it can do in the sun I guess

[solid frigate]

i need a sun casting Pokemon that is not Torkal cuz its team is so fast-

[timber falcon]

Torn?

[lofty tartan]

Whimsicott has Sunny Day

[solid frigate]

oh wait-

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah whim better

[solid frigate]

yeah one of my favourite Mons has Sunny Day

[timber falcon]

Which is?

[solid frigate]

Whimsicott-

[timber falcon]

Oh lol

[solid frigate]

thats like my top 10 fav

[timber falcon]

🤝

As soon as indigo disk released I hunted 2 contonees lmao, such a fun flof ball

[solid frigate]

sadly iit can't learn reflect but eh i still love the cotton

[timber falcon]

Yeah but you can punish fake out and protect big time

[lofty tartan]

It has Charm with Prankster. That can be a thing

[timber falcon]

If there’s a whimsicott on field u better hope ur attacking

Cause prankster encore WILL ruin ur day

[solid frigate]

Sunny Day,Tailwind,Helping hand?

or protect

[lofty tartan]

You can do HH, but having at least one disruptive play is nice.

At worst, one attack so you don't get ganked by Taunt

[timber falcon]

Sac protect or helping for an attacking move

U always wanna be able to deal at least a slither of hp

For instance sash or finishing off

[next stump]

whims definitely has the craziest support move pool ever

at least 15+ moves that are viable

[solid frigate]

sadly no reflect but its good enough

[dapper crag]

Comfey's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Bind, Bullet Seed, Covet, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Grassy Glide, Knock Off, Natural Gift, Petal Blizzard, Play Rough, Return, Seed Bomb, Thief, Trailblaze, U-turn, Vine Whip, Wrap

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Dazzling Gleam, Disarming Voice, Draining Kiss, Echoed Voice, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Leaf Tornado, Magical Leaf, Petal Dance, Pollen Puff, Round, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

After You, Ally Switch, Amnesia, Aromatherapy, Attract, Calm Mind, Celebrate, Charm, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Floral Healing, Flower Shield, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Heal Bell, Helping Hand, Leech Seed, Light Screen, Lucky Chant, Magic Coat, Nature Power, Pain Split, Protect, Psych Up, Rest, Role Play, Safeguard, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Kiss, Sweet Scent, Synthesis, Tailwind, Taunt, Telekinesis, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Comfey.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[lofty tartan]

Basically with no disruptive play and the most minimal of damage, Whims can safely be ignored.

[timber falcon]

Comfey looking good on support too

If only prankster

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/30f039141037fa08
@fluid wind little bit of an Upgrade

[solid frigate]

Well it has Triage so thats something

[lofty tartan]

Comfey has Triage, so +3 priority to all healing moves

[timber falcon]

Yeah but prankster would put it above whimsicott and I like Comfey

[lofty tartan]

Comfey doesn't have as diverse of a support movepool as Whimsicott.

[timber falcon]

Example?

[lofty tartan]

Wimsicott has Encore, Worry Seed, Fake Tears, right off the cuff

I did just see Encore on Comfey

[timber falcon]

Comfey got all except tears

[lofty tartan]

Ah it's on Egg moves.

Now I have to force compare all of them 😐

[dull ibex]

do both get tailwind?

[solid frigate]

they both have close Support Move but Prankster is very nice to hve

[timber falcon]

Yep

[dull ibex]

whim gets priority on tailwind comfey wont

[lofty tartan]

That's not the discussion, Red

[timber falcon]

Yeah I’m saying if Comfey managed to get prankster

[lofty tartan]

He's saying with Prankster Comfey is better than Whimiscott. Realistically it's hyperbole, but I don't buy it

[dull ibex]

oh i see

whim has a better attack stats yeah?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 764: Comfey

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Flower Veil, Triage, Natural Cure (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

51/52/90/82/110/100

Total

485

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[timber falcon]

Nope

[dull ibex]

that plus moonblast puts it above prankster comfey

[lofty tartan]

Whimsicott has better speed and HP

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 547: Whimsicott

Types

Grass/Fairy

Abilities

Prankster, Infiltrator, Chlorophyll (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/67/85/77/75/116

Total

480

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[dull ibex]

oh ok fair enough

[solid frigate]

i looked at the replay of Me vs My Rival and holy fu- they did not use Comfey with Triage Properly

[dull ibex]

how could prankster comfey be better then whim when prankster comfey is a worse comfey

[lofty tartan]

Whimsicott will always be able to Prankster Taunt Tornadus first, and Comfey wouldn't.

[timber falcon]

In what regard is regular better though

[timber falcon]

Yeah speed is lacking

[dull ibex]

triage is better for what it does

it goes from a great healer to slower worse whimsicott

[timber falcon]

Draining kiss and giga drain is great I guess

[dull ibex]

foral healing

[timber falcon]

But floral healing gets prankster buff

[dull ibex]

triage is higher

[lofty tartan]

Triage is +3

[timber falcon]

Tru

[dull ibex]

yeah so its just worse

[solid frigate]

wait does that mean if its faster it can out priority fake out-

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

[lofty tartan]

Fake Out is +3 right?

[timber falcon]

Yep

[solid frigate]

mhm

[lofty tartan]

If so, then yes.

[dull ibex]

so you give up out priority fake out

[lofty tartan]

It comes down to a speed tie there

[dull ibex]

for being a slower whimsicott?

[timber falcon]

Ok I’ll admit, prankster whimsicott is more practical

But Comfey would be cool to see

[lofty tartan]

I think Comfey has some niche uses right now, but it's because of things like Triage

[dull ibex]

yep

[timber falcon]

Weakness policy draining kiss

[lofty tartan]

I don't like WP strats.

[dull ibex]

I dont want to see comfey nerfed tbh

[lofty tartan]

They're not super great in OTS and they're prone to backfiring when your opponent is wise to your game

[solid frigate]

a single priority moves can wipe of Armarouge after Weak armor WP

[lofty tartan]

Yeah and you just like scout it out with protect while they jam gameplan A

[timber falcon]

Which one?

[solid frigate]

Sucker Punch,Accelrock,Aqua Jet

[lofty tartan]

Realistically I just don't like relying on damaging my own stuff in an ocean of spread and priority moves, or relying on my opponent to trigger my WP. I'd rather use a more consistently beneficial item

[timber falcon]

I’ve never seen armourouge without psychic terrain

[solid frigate]

wait i forgot this exist

[lofty tartan]

Psychic terrain, grassy terrain, priority, spread moves, etc etc etc

[solid frigate]

Ice Spinner oh well

[lofty tartan]

It all comes down to what actually happens in the game 😄

[timber falcon]

Yeah but then the priority still won’t hit no?

And armouroge isn’t lacking in the defence bracket

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 936: Armarouge

Types

Fire/Psychic

Abilities

Flash Fire, Weak Armor (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/60/100/125/80/75

Total

525

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[solid frigate]

questioning Myself on why i build armarouge without Indeedee in Indigo Disk DLC-

[lofty tartan]

I mean if you're activating WAWP you're not likely starting Indeedee anyway

Or you're taking off turn 1 to switch Indeedee so you can WAWP turn 2

[timber falcon]

what-

[lofty tartan]

Either way you have an opportunity cost.

[solid frigate]

yes i used WAWP strat on armarouge so i don't use Indeedee

[timber falcon]

What’s WAWP

[lofty tartan]

Weak Armor Weakness Policy

[solid frigate]

aka Best Offense is the Best Defense moment

[timber falcon]

FINALLY got a trade for gouging fire

Howl team here I come

All I need is raging bulk

[supple heron]

Sylveon moveset vgc guide

[normal yoke]

stop do that in the self promotion channel

please

[dull haven]

Again, to post links to your channel please go to the #self_promotion channel, read the pins and follow them. Anytime you post your channel and it does not go through the proper protocols it will be deleted

[dull haven]

As for this here, I have it handled. Please don't try to mini-mod. We appreciate people letting us know, but allow us to handle it. ^.^

[normal yoke]

ok

[normal yoke]

sorry i didn’t know i started 2 weeks ago just trying to help

[dull haven]

I know and it's okay to direct people to the correct channels. Just don't follow them to do it, with certain situations it's best to just call in the Mods to handle it.

[upbeat quail]

https://pokepast.es/1d42f67aa3708b23

How is this team looking? I’m debating on swapping out the amoongus for Ogrepon or a tailwind setter

[next stump]

what matchups is the weezing there for?

[upbeat quail]

All of them.

He the GOAT

[kindred cypress]

Why galarain and not og?

[mighty stump]

Drought comes out before Intimidate triggers Torkoal lol

[upbeat quail]

I swap between the two. Sometimes Dazzling gleam feels better than sludge bomb to use

[molten oasis]

[glad radish]

anybody got any cool sneaky doubles strategies they wouldn’t mind sharing I suck and am in need of inspiration

[kindred cypress]

Tera normal explosion

[glad radish]

for who

Or if anyone knows what two Pokémon I could use entertainment with

[tired sage]

for regieleki

it'll outspeed anything before tw is up xD

[glad radish]

Damn

anybody wanna trade me Regieleki lol

I got registeel

but that’s regi all

[mighty stump]

Not a place to look for trades

[fallen garden]

catching the regis again is the worst part of every pokemon game

and the only ones worth using make you choose one per save file

[dull ibex]

hello

[charred saddle]

fuck off

[fluid wind]

yea i forgot about the ability kik\

[stone tide]

https://pokepast.es/a7989219445abe8c so i made this team and i think it's pretty strong but i don't know if dragonite and landorus are good fits on this team. do you guys have any changes to suggest or anything?

i was thinking i could replace dragonite or landorus with something that checks some of primarina's counters but i'm not really sure what would work

[charred saddle]

if ur going with like banded nite, prob chienpao works

mainly primarina doesnt like playing wih waterpon and rilla, which landorus can hit hard unless they tera

one thing to note is that ur lando is quite slow compared to other sets. lots of people does max speed+ which goes up to 168

and even then waterpon in general does like 188 speed Investment jolly to hit 169 to be faster than max speed timid lando

to play around that ur basically forced to tera which i personally dont really like, especially u dont have speed control

i think this one is very close to your team
key difference is prob that it has waterpon and flutter to enable landorus sweep

it also matches with your EV spread too somehow haha (the lando)

[polar canyon]

Well that's new

Like I'm 100% sure it didn't when I used it back in like reg 3

Unless that's like a bug that got fixed

[queen monolith]

I fixed up my sandstorm team

-comp links

[gentle crag]

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Help Command: -comp help

[mighty stump]

The bug is in Showdown

In game, you still get Drought to activate

[queen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/890fd498be7bd0b6

I think that looks better

Opinion tofu?

[queen monolith]

Bro. This dude has landed 2 fissures

Without missing either one

And this toxapex keeps using wide guard so I can’t heatwave

[real prairie]

Morning, have i missed anything exciting?

[real prairie]

guess his name is right

[cyan smelt]

ok but why are you getting paired with people 300 elo above you

[real prairie]

guess aren't too many people playing Ubers lol

[next stump]

https://twitter.com/lenvgc/status/1757730924563706052?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

RIPPP

Len (@LenVGC) on X

Hoy me han informado de que me han baneado de manera permanente de la competiciones oficiales de @playpokemon.

El motivo se debe a "amenazas realizadas en línea", así que teniendo en cuenta los últimos tweets que he publidado entiendo que se refieren al tweet en el que puse que…

Twitter · Feb 14, 2024, 11:38 AM

[karmic temple]

I mean

Play stupid games

Sucks for him though

[mighty stump]

LOL THAT SECOND PARAGRAPHG IS WILD

WILDDD

[karmic temple]

The moment I read that I said “oh he stupid just like me fr”

I jokingly tell my friends to call bomb threats into my work so I can leave early but it’s just a dumb silly idea 😭

[brazen bough]

He quit his job to pursue competitive?????

Pokemon pays bills?

[mighty stump]

He;s employed by an Esports group lol

[brazen bough]

Well i mean now he has to beg for his job back

[mighty stump]

Beg is a strong word

But its a dumb thing to say

[brazen bough]

Idk what he said tbh

[real prairie]

he was going to bomb them if he was banned again

[brazen bough]

Idiot 😂

[real prairie]

Pokemon said "try us" lol

[mighty stump]

I mean

The frustration is also warranted

[brazen bough]

Like thats just like never the move idk what goes through anyone’s head to say that

[mighty stump]

He got essentially cut out of Day 2 after spending time, money, and effort all for an unreasonable ban on mons that he bred himself

Without explanation

So imagine showing up to an event that is meant to forward your career only to be kicked out with 0 explanation

You wouldn't be frustrated?

[real prairie]

I mean, is it evidenced that he bred them himself? did he do it on stream?

[brazen bough]

No no i understand the frustration but threatening to bomb a company is fucking insane

[mighty stump]

You expect every competitive player to breed mons on stream and train them on stream for their spreads to be leaked?

[real prairie]

he might want to give Elon a shout

[mighty stump]

It's not an employer though.

But I feel like ya'll are lacking understanding on Len's side lol

[mighty stump]

As if everyone on this planet here has not said worse about some smaller thing one time or another

I've heard worse in passing cause of my race bro

Cause I told someone to go to the appropriate trade channels

[polar canyon]

Shoot

I always avoided bringing in torkoal when I saw lando t and gyarados

That must be why I never realized it only happened in showdown

It was when those 2 were popular

Also thank you discord for now being able to redirect you to your latest pings without having to scroll for an hour

[charred saddle]

damn imagine being our race

[mighty stump]

Apaan lo mata sipit

[karmic temple]

I just wish more of the comments and reposts were in English so I didn’t have to keep hitting translate on each one 😭

[knotty mirage]

That look like normal question i got when i'm in school

[mighty stump]

The comments have fucking room temperature IQ

Bro

It's not hard

TPCI held Len accountable for something you really shouldn't say, joke or otherwise

"Its a joke bro" doesn't absolve consequences

[charred saddle]

hi

[mighty stump]

Especially if:

• You're semi-popular and recognised
• Might not be joking

They're losing my respect as a whole

[karmic temple]

“It’s a meme in eu” ok but where is the company located?? Does any company anywhere take a threat like that seriously?

[mighty stump]

Especially with the character attacks on 45mice after what Alex Gomez said

Bro

[karmic temple]

Yeah I saw that

[mighty stump]

He;s a medical professional; of course we're fucking careful of what we say and don't say

[karmic temple]

“The same thing could happen to you” actually it wouldn’t because we don’t joke about bombing companies

[mighty stump]

Oh durrhurr lemme just hurl a slur at someone and say "its just a joke"

Fuck outta here

[charred saddle]

Lens is a medical professional?

[mighty stump]

45mice

[charred saddle]

oh

[mighty stump]

Doctor

He spoke out and presented TPCI's side of things and just went "Len's situation is unfortunate but TPCI did the correct thing"

Now the spanish are saying stupid nonsense

[karmic temple]

https://x.com/daaniischz/status/1757760723277484200?s=46&t=FT37NdiOUE2s7PDDciYVcg

Daniel (@daaniischz) on X

@45mice Do you sleep easy knowing that you support a company that took everything from a guy just because of an unfortunate prank? It is one thing to say that he was wrong to make the joke and quite another to say that the ban is justified. I hope something like this never happens to you

Twitter · Feb 14, 2024, 1:36 PM

LMFAOOOO

Do you sleep easy tofu

[mighty stump]

Nah I want the smoke today

im ready

[karmic temple]

“It’s hard to get guns in Spain we can’t imagine getting bombs!!” Well the thing about people who commit crimes they find a way lol

People when they get upset could do crazy things!!

[mighty stump]

Imagine

[karmic temple]

I shouldn’t be held accountable for my words
🥺👉🏻👈🏻 I’m just joking

[real prairie]

it takes 10 minutes on youtube to find out how to build a bomb out of pretty easily accessible supplies, he would have been better off joking about a gun

[karmic temple]

No actually he wouldn’t have

[real prairie]

but ultimately he shouldnt have "Joked" at all

[karmic temple]

Yeah consequences of your actions regardless of a joke or not

[real prairie]

stupid gets what stupid does as they say

[mighty stump]

Brand liability is not a thing ig

[karmic temple]

And you know what’s crazy too. They would NOT ride this hard for someone from a different country

[mighty stump]

They wont lol

The spanish are a hivemind

[charred saddle]

why the fuck is bro having a seizure

[mighty stump]

Too much mochi

[charred saddle]

[karmic temple]

Alrighty time to go to the store and if they don’t have what I want I’m gonna bomb them

Hope they don’t ban me 🤭

[bold geode]

They almost what now

[mighty stump]

2015 Worlds

Someone was gonna shoot it up

[bold geode]

God

[mighty stump]

iirc

So yeah

TPCI doesn't like these jokes

[bold geode]

That's crazy bro

You're telling me TPCI don't like jokes about committing heinous crimes

[next stump]

anyone have a gouging fire/kingambit paste from a regional

[mighty stump]

I can send you Luka's

[next stump]

ye that would definitely work

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/e17dfd516e47b1f6

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/63f10bdbda2af3d4 how is this?

[next stump]

tyvm, I am testing some lines into this core for my locals this weekend because for some reason Chicago players are obsessed with gouging fire

[gentle crag]

mlbd has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

No worries, I'm also open to running some sets

Well, if I have the time

Lmao

[mighty stump]

Weird bulk on the Ursaluna,

Not a fan of that Sinistcha set

[bold geode]

As is
Everybody
GOUGING FIRE IS AMAZING
GO GOUGING FIRE

[autumn vault]

BM ursa has bad sp. def so i maxed it out

also i love catching people off guard on that sinis set

gyara helps with some bad matchups

lando-i waterpon

offensive sinistcha is what you find in my cooking skills

[next stump]

Farig with Sitrus is better off with low Special Attack investment and running Dazzling instead of Hyper Voice

Should it be Brave Kingambit if you're running 0SPE?

Clear Amulet has gotta be better on Gyarados here than Mystic Water, T Wave on an offensive set is also pretty weird but I can see it being useful occasionally

[autumn vault]

i tried to get advice on the vgc showdown chatroom and someone recommended t-wave because of waterfall, i originally had temper tantrum

ngl i am going back to TT

[next stump]

what is temper tantrum

do you mean stomping tantrum

[autumn vault]

the fire stomping tantrum

[next stump]

temper flare?

[autumn vault]

the new move

[autumn vault]

yes

[dapper crag]

Move: Temper Flare

Power doubles if the user's last move on the previous turn, including moves called by other moves or those used through Instruct, Magic Coat, Snatch, or the Dancer or Magic Bounce Abilities, failed to do any of its normal effects, not including damage from an unsuccessful High Jump Kick, Jump Kick, or Mind Blown, or if the user was prevented from moving by any effect other than recharging or Sky Drop. A move that was blocked by Baneful Bunker, Detect, King's Shield, Protect, Spiky Shield, Crafty Shield, Mat Block, Quick Guard, or Wide Guard will not double this move's power, nor will Bounce or Fly ending early due to the effect of Gravity, Smack Down, or Thousand Arrows.

Type

Fire

Category

Physical

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

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Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[brazen bough]

would he want more bulk on entei too since its running snarl?

[next stump]

that move seems like booty cheeks

[brazen bough]

it is bad

[autumn vault]

snarl is just in general better than other moves

[brazen bough]

doesnt entei get crash

[mighty stump]

You're kinda sacrificing your physical bulk with that investment

[autumn vault]

not heavy enough

[mighty stump]

Gyarados also tends to want Taunt

You're not really looking to sweep with it

[autumn vault]

I see

Taunt can help against the cursed team core with a muk

I hate muk and smeargle

[brazen bough]

im considering running top 3 or 4 dortmund

[brazen bough]

https://pokepast.es/729a5b9449871297 there is also this late response lol

top 2 dort

in case you were still looking

[livid roost]

What are people's thoughts on Farigiraf + final gambit Annihilape with a trick room sweeper in the back?

[brazen bough]

using a pokemon with the main idea of dying to maybe get off a kill isnt the move

build something more consistent around annihilape

[mighty stump]

That's fine

It might be a bit telegraphed

But depending on the leads, it should be value

[livid roost]

the point is to get the sweeper in for free

[mighty stump]

Against non-Flutter/non-TW teams it should work out.

[brazen bough]

oh i thought you were just talking about fari + annihilape as a core ( thats on me for not reading_

[mighty stump]

Flutter reasoning being if its Booster Speed

but the trade is still reasonable

[mighty stump]

Some ran Farigiraf with Beat Up + TR Annihilape in previous Regulations as well.

[livid roost]

Thanks for the helpful insights!

[brazen bough]

wtf it gets beat up...

tofu what are some anti meta cores rn

i havent paid too much attention

like 2 mon cores to build around mostly

[mighty stump]

p2 ting fits the bill for that

[brazen bough]

i wanna build around that but i dont want to use the team everyone has been using in these past few regionals

how do you suggest i take that team and change it up

[mighty stump]

You can try and blend the P2 Ting core due to it's overlap with the P2 Gouging Fire core

[brazen bough]

oh thats cool

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/fee852e1327d5f6d i made it to master rank recently with this team, any suggestions? (also av is on landorus t because i dont want it to be super fast)

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/ad389404e849cc67 anyone here have any ideas on how to help with my lando I mu? I don’t think I can handle lando torn like at all

[molten oasis]

Why not fairy Tera on mane?

[autumn vault]

defensive purpouses

[molten oasis]

Especially water when rillaboom is usually the mane delete button

[autumn vault]

grass is handled by tork

electric by ursa

i see what you mean

its there to take fire/waterpon ivy cudgel

[timber falcon]

Just found out the gouging fire I finally got my hands on was genned

[autumn vault]

sad

[molten oasis]

I think grass Tera would be better as well since you’d be making e-ball stab

[autumn vault]

i have 124+ sp. attack cress for lando-i

[mighty stump]

If it was traded to you in this server, please make a report.

[molten oasis]

And also like, firepon just explodes mane in general especially in sun

With resists

And there’s nothing stopping them from clicking a grass move the turn after

[timber falcon]

It was a different server which I did make a report on, but what this has taught me is I better get make a new scarlet account and get the job done myself

[autumn vault]

124+ SpA Cresselia Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Landorus: 164-196 (100 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

why i have a big special attack investment

[molten oasis]

That’s fine

[autumn vault]

also helps for freezes

my team cant deal with lando-i that well

[timber falcon]

Lando I is a menace tbh, hitting almost anything hard

Exactly why I run it

[autumn vault]

i dont use it in this case

flutter there and its therian

lando-T is still better, just incarnate has better matchups

[timber falcon]

I gotta say I haven’t seen assault vest lando. Is it good?

[autumn vault]

yes

[mighty stump]

Lando-T is not better at the moment

Lol

Its just outclassed

[timber falcon]

Yeah incarnate seems better atm