lets go gouging
#competitive_discussion
grizzled bronze
karmic temple
+2
bold geode
DAYUM BABY
mighty stump
No shit itll ko
karmic temple
Gouging fire stocks going up
grizzled bronze
entei got his win already let gouging win this
karmic temple
God I need to finish scarlet and catch it
mighty stump
Flutter just explodes here LOL
bold geode
I thought Nick was choking not using BSwipe for a few turns but it PAID OFF
grizzled bronze
this is his first achievement right?
karmic temple
HUGE
grizzled bronze
damn rip
grizzled bronze
damn what a miss
karmic temple
Nick is an rngod
grizzled bronze
wtf
bold geode
Nick is crazy lucky
grizzled bronze
it's not over yeah
grizzled bronze
bro what
grizzled bronze
double protect?
karmic temple
Bro nick is goated
bold geode
CHOKE
grizzled bronze
what was the plan 😭
mighty stump
Choke
bold geode
FUCKING CHOKE
grizzled bronze
2 important misses lmao
bold geode
Nick has fucking plot armor
mighty stump
Ya'll really glazing Nick lmao
bold geode
Lmao
patent marsh
that kommo-o game 1 was so hype so sad it couldn't hold up 😭
bold geode
Gouging Fire vs BM Farig
tough idol
Think he's not comfortable on camera for interviews now
karmic temple
Well guess it’s time to get the finals party started
Here we go vodka!! What a great way to pregame for the Super Bowl
timber falcon
finalls starting when?
upbeat quail
I’m not a huge fan of Raging Bolt on this team and I don’t know what I could replace it with. Any suggestions? I’m open to more input as well
bold geode
Here we go vodka!! What a great way to pregame for the Super Bowl
Oh fuck it is Super Bowl Sunday lmao
karmic temple
finalls starting when?
Soon
karmic temple
Oh fuck it is Super Bowl Sunday lmao
Yeah i just watch for the commercials and halftime show
gentle cragBOT
Yeah i just watch for the commercials and halftime show
chriscastiel has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke
bold geode
Wtf in that gave me rep?
timber falcon
bot is high
tough idol
bot is high
I believe it might have been merci
gentle cragBOT
I believe it might have been merci
ictlegion has given 1 Gen Rep to otot8953
bold geode
Yeah i just watch for the commercials and halftime show
Halftime
tough idol
French for TY
bold geode
French for TY
Commerical
tough idol
You spelt it wrong lmao
karmic temple
Commerical
Commercials
gentle cragBOT
Commercial
dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to chriscastiel
gentle cragBOT
Commercials
You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1707665643:R>.
karmic temple
Ok there we go
bold geode
Wait I spelt it right
karmic temple
Interesting
upbeat quail
Any good raging bolt replacements?
bold geode
Wait it got it
It picked up merci out of commercial wtf
karmic temple
LMAO
bold geode
Any good raging bolt replacements?
Not really tbh
grizzled bronze
why not
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
grizzled bronze
yeah mist ball is definitely better + stab
timber falcon
French for TY
Ah that makes sense
upbeat quail
My Latias is fairy Tera and it can one shot Dark Urshifu
timber falcon
My Latias is fairy Tera and it can one shot Dark Urshifu
Focus sash
upbeat quail
Focus sash
Rocky Helmet
timber falcon
Oh damn checkmate
But it’s not worth losing most ball
Also ability shield Incin?
grizzled bronze
weezing
timber falcon
Doesn’t seem worth it at all
grizzled bronze
intim even with gas
timber falcon
Seems incredibly situational
grizzled bronze
can gouging fire respond against the gouging mid allegations
timber falcon
good day
ive come to respond to said allegations
and frankly i dont see why they exist, im tanky, hit like a truck and can be fast with booster energy! i find it absurd these allegations even exist!
not to mention im suportive with howl
karmic temple
Florian had a good match
bold geode
Damn
karmic temple
I think nick’s nerves are getting to him
bold geode
Huge
karmic temple
He said run it back
grizzled bronze
gouging fire beating the allegations
karmic temple
Huge
slow raft
Florian gunna win lol
bold geode
Calling that Tera lmao
slow raft
Stream buffering for me again
mighty stump
Incineroar really the GOAT
grizzled bronze
incin sweeping lmao
mighty stump
BM Ursaluna's first regional win
grizzled bronze
ursaluna sweep time
bold geode
Lmao
Big Ursaluna sweep moments
grizzled bronze
oh well no gouging win today
bold geode
Damn BM did it finally
mighty stump
Enjoy fighting BM Ursalunas on the ladder for the second spike in it's usage since that VR tour
bold geode
Gouging Fire will get the dub one day
grizzled bronze
ggs
bold geode
Enjoy fighting BM Ursalunas on the ladder for the second spike in it's usage sin...
cough cough Ting Lu cough cough
mighty stump
You say that like 80% of people are good enough to play Ting-Lu/Balance
real prairie
time for the return of the hands
bold geode
You say that like 80% of people are good enough to play Ting-Lu/Balance
I AM
No it's gonna be a bitch
Also caster saying "maybe Trick Room is back"
When did it leave
grizzled bronze
it didn't
slow raft
I would love to come up with a completely different team that's solid, but I'm not defensive minded
mighty stump
Eric Rios complaining about crits on twitter then people roasting him lmao
mainly because i think he made a jab at Nick
grizzled bronze
slow paced team, more crits lol
real prairie
this the bloke that got double crit?
tough idol
Yh also got DQd at Liverpool
real prairie
dont bring fake mons to a regional
bold geode
Jamie Boyts predictions lmao
Hands, Primarina, Roaring Moon, and Gouging Fire
Fr though I need to test P2 with Gouging Fire team, seems interesting
tough idol
Jamie Boyts predictions lmao
Hands, Primarina, Roaring Moon, and Gouging Fire
Tera Electric AV Chien Pao 
slow raft
Rillaboom, incineroar, ogerpon and fluttermane in the same team is viable?
grizzled bronze
yeah
slow raft
First regional
tough idol
Didn't Tang do that last year, then won 2
grizzled bronze
this goes to show that even new players can cook and win
bold geode
the bold fake out to flutter tera predict is paying off
The play gave him insane value
Set TR, no damage? Pog
charred saddle
pog
nocturne holly
what there’s a regional on
tough idol
Finished now lol
near crag
What are the best ways to counter flutter rn?
tired sage
What are the best ways to counter flutter rn?
your own flutter
rustic mountain
Eric Rios complaining about crits on twitter then people roasting him lmao
u think a dude thats been playing as long as him wouldve made peace w/ rng, i can get its frustrating but look at wat team ur running man, cant b the 1st time uve been subject to rng w/ it
rigid furnace
Bruh I can't get into ranked dubs rn
No one with my rank is active
I have to play casual
next stump
No one with my rank is active
you playing scarlet/violet? or sword/shield?
rustic mountain
bold geode
rustic mountain
shell sandal
oh alr then bet
next stump
wait am I crazy or did Francesco in game 2 of top 4 just completely throw a 90% win
I am just now watching the top 8 sets
he knows his chien-pao is faster than flutter but goes for a double protect???
grizzled bronze
that was definitely a throw
echo hatch
ok i rebuilt these two trick room teams from recent regionals, I wanna try to combine them in such a way as to have Farig obviously, raging bolt, flutter mane, and Urshi SS - what would be the best options for the last two slots? incin and amogus I guess?
https://pokepast.es/d24f2af13e76f1d7
https://pokepast.es/fd2a7d58b1d08aeb
next stump
incin/amoonguss can work but you're pretty light on damage with those
no real TR sweepers
echo hatch
maybe Ursa BM plus incin or a genie
raging bolt is pretty good in TR but yeah that would be the only real sweeper under TR
next stump
ursa BM with incin would round out the team nicely
echo hatch
word
dawn crown
Would suicune be viable as a supportive tailwind setter
next stump
yes it's definitely usable
dawn crown
Just afraid of all the rillaboom and opgerpon
next stump
make sure your team has answers into those pokemon, also using something like tera steel/poison/etc. can help a lot
you dont have any offensive pressure into them so your partner needs to threaten
dawn crown
make sure your team has answers into those pokemon, also using something like te...
It seems like tornadoes matches into both of them well but I already have a tailwind setter I have no idea what flying type I should use
dawn crown
It seems like tornadoes matches into both of them well but I already have a tail...
Wait just realize that lando I works into both of them
next stump
yeah lando-I can work with tera poison
whole ibex
Does anyone have any spreads for Tornadus? not sure if it suppose to run 252
supple ether
Dortmund most popular pokemon and top8
bold geode
wait am I crazy or did Francesco in game 2 of top 4 just completely throw a 90% ...
Oh no he fuckin choked
bold geode
god help us all
Nah we eat
supple ether
Gholdengo and Bolt.rising up out here
molten oasis
Single strike at 51% and rapid strike is nowhere to be seen
grizzled bronze
rapid becoming fraudulent
rustic mountain
Nah we eat
rustic mountain
Single strike at 51% and rapid strike is nowhere to be seen
a lot of anti rapid strike in the meta rn
crazy times
molten oasis
Mhmm
kindred cypress
Ogerpon’s existence pretty much nulls rapid
upbeat quail
I love when my weezing one-shots a flutter mane after they Tera Fairy in my face 🥰
rustic mountain
Ogerpon’s existence pretty much nulls rapid
i mean in a vaccum sure but even w/ its initial introduction watershifu was still dominating. its jus how the meta has trended, it doesnt do as much as it used to and quite a few things either invalidate it or threaten it that are meta like waterpon but also amoongus, rilla, raging bolt, flutter
dawn crown
Can’t believe flutter isn’t number one anymore
molten oasis
Well, shifu and flutter have a weird mu
grizzled bronze
Can’t believe flutter isn’t number one anymore
it still is
rustic mountain
yea its a bit trickier if scarf and no tw or booster speed
molten oasis
They beat each other and it depends on the opposing speed control, yea
rustic mountain
but it can threaten it at times
molten oasis
it still is
Nah, it’s wellspring
rustic mountain
yea wellspring overtook it las regional
molten oasis
Wellspring is also way more interesting than fluttermane
rustic mountain
wellspring is cool
molten oasis
Flutter isn’t
rustic mountain
ogerpon is nice cuz its a legend that doesnt feel broken
grizzled bronze
i mean dortmund it's top 3 but overall usage still top 1 (i think)
rustic mountain
but is very strong in its own right
echo hatch
Does anyone have any spreads for Tornadus? not sure if it suppose to run 252
check munchstats.com
molten oasis
I think ogerpon is balanc d
molten oasis
The Mon really rewards good gameplay too
grizzled bronze
ogerpon is definitely balanced than this stupid looking misdreavus
dawn crown
I want normal ogerpon to get more usage
rustic mountain
its had a few moments
molten oasis
Idk about that one
rustic mountain
i think boyt getting top 8 was its most notable
molten oasis
Water grass and fire grass are very good typings
molten oasis
And they get more out of their Tera’s than teal does
rustic mountain
its def not a bad option especially depending on the team but i think most ppl opt into the others for other benefits that arent as situational
dawn crown
Just realized that gouging fire isn’t there anymore 😢
supple ether
Gouging mid
molten oasis
That’s not necessarily a bad thing
rustic mountain
still almost won
molten oasis
I don’t think it’s mid it’s a very good support Pokémon, a lot of people want that spot to be incin or Hearthflame
rustic mountain
also it was like #12 last time too right? a lot of times those are subject to change/fall out regional to regional. especially w/ a format like this, ive never seen the meta change so fast
molten oasis
I think Roaring moon is mid if anything
grizzled bronze
very good damage reduction support with breaking swipe
molten oasis
Ik it won a regional, I still don’t think moon is that good
supple ether
I just dont see it 
cannot convince me Gfire will stay relevant for that much longer
molten oasis
Eh, we’ll see
grizzled bronze
still early meta so
molten oasis
I can’t pilot it so I don’t care lol
rustic mountain
itll stick around, it works on certain team comps. whether that means top 12 yea idk bout that but ull see it
molten oasis
Fari Luna isn’t going anywhere
rustic mountain
i never feel too threatened by gouging teams personally but if a good player pilots it, yea it can b scary
grizzled bronze
gouging gambit very interesting
molten oasis
Gholdengo also continues to beat the mid allegations
grizzled bronze
dengo is life
molten oasis
Gholdengo is one of my favorite comp mons
rustic mountain
gholdengo is cool
molten oasis
It’s just, like it’s always good
molten oasis
I’m ngl, it’s ability is crazy
grizzled bronze
immune to every status is insane
rustic mountain
its 1 very big reason its still good imo
rustic mountain
dark type + gholdengo jus works great. latest being incin/single strike
molten oasis
Wellspring+dengo is very good too
rustic mountain
yea i used that on a team in reg e
grizzled bronze
free np with that duo sometimes
rustic mountain
ppl have def seen a lot of success w/ it
molten oasis
It’s the Mon I’ve probably had the most success with ever tbh
It’s a Mon that fits my playstyle
bold geode
<a:burgerchomp:671474676022771722>
Lmao
Eat it cheems
rustic mountain
yea its a really good mon
i wonder how they r gna b in future gens
like do they jus only have the 1 ability
bold geode
You know what else is good
Annihilape
bold geode
🖕
molten oasis
You know what else is good
Annihilape
rustic mountain
lmao
bold geode
https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735
Go use Hydrapple more
molten oasis
At least I made a successful Hydrapple team 🫵
bold geode
Hey
In progress fucker
molten oasis
define successful
It’s a rental and got me into 1500’s
rustic mountain
gotcha
bold geode
Drago you're just jealous cuz I'll finally fit my calling
rustic mountain
wats ur calling
bold geode
Yuh huh
bold geode
wats ur calling
Being Monke Man
rustic mountain
u shouldve never not been
molten oasis
Idk what my calling is when it comes to archetypes
rustic mountain
i stay using rilla
molten oasis
Like, it’s not screens
rigid furnace
you playing scarlet/violet? or sword/shield?
S/v
bold geode
Screens aren't horrible
Just not as good rn
Says me who widely prefers non screens Grimm 
rustic mountain
idk man it jus feels like a waste
molten oasis
I’ve noticed like, I play best with a bulky set up mon
rustic mountain
way better archetypes/mons to use
molten oasis
Grimmsnarl is underexplored
rustic mountain
eh idk i think it carved its role
bold geode
I need to ladder again
Drago what doing tonight
rustic mountain
its jus an annoying support mon, wat u choose to do w/ it yea sure u can add some variety but doesnt change wat it does
molten oasis
I have a ton of homework idk if im vc-ing today
bold geode
Bitch
dawn crown
CEO of Rillaboom how much speed do you run in rilla
whole ibex
Yeah I was checking pika and that’s why I was asking cause I know that 252 and 252 isn’t always optimal.
bold geode
Saying that like it's a small feat Tree
whole ibex
But I’m just gonna do that
bold geode
CEO of Rillaboom how much speed do you run in rilla
Lemme check on that actually
rustic mountain
if u dont know wat it does u should run 252 and then adjust accordingly
bold geode
Actually
You want middle ground utility and offense or full utility
dawn crown
Actually
You want middle ground utility and offense or full utility
Whichever one is more common
kindred cypress
I need my auicune to outspeed
You want more bulk, as suicune is mainly a speed and offensive control mon
rustic mountain
yea suicune are usually slow as shit, ik fionas was
dawn crown
It has the same base as rilla
kindred cypress
He sets up tailwind, then icy winds snarls and scalds for the stat drops
upbeat quail
Has anyone seen those weezing teams used I. Liverpool? They are pretty sweet
rustic mountain
nah
bold geode
I used 20 speed which is probably more common, but the highest I've ever ran is 108 speed EVs
Although it was AV, be aware of the Miracle Seed Rillaboom as they tend to be a bit quicker
bold geode
Oh yeah Wolfe's was a bit slower
Not gonna say exactly what
rustic mountain
yea even b4 that
upbeat quail
What speed value should I get to on my Latias? I’m debating on investing in more bulk
rustic mountain
id check pikalytics and go from there, not too familiar w/ latias
bold geode
yea even b4 that
On my Gouging team and my Reg E balance team, I ran 4 Atk lmao
bold geode
Reg E was for full utility purposes
But yeah with Gouging, you can get away with it
rustic mountain
yea
bold geode
Idk
It's Tofu's spread
When I asked him "why attack low" he just went "cuz it's utility Rilla"
Tbf
It may not hit as hard.....
But the motherfucker can stick around like damn
rustic mountain
haha fair enough, i mean its got a good base atk so ur not doing negligible damage in terrain but im sure theres a few spots where u want the extra damage. it is team dependent ofc tho
rustic mountain
But the motherfucker can stick around like damn
av rilla is goated
bold geode
haha fair enough, i mean its got a good base atk so ur not doing negligible dama...
One bad thing about it and why Gouging is him
Without terrain, Wood Hammer doesn't OHKO Mane with 4 atk lmao
bold geode
So Mane Chien Pao with Ice Spinner a little scary
But tera Fire Rilla and then just Howl and BONK
queen monolith
If I wanted to run bastiodon, would sp def, def, and hp ev training be the way to go?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
supple ether
Jesus christ what are those stats
rustic mountain
for vgc? dont run it
grizzled bronze
horrendous typing tho
rustic mountain
i think its good in singles
supple ether
Power creep is a bitch fr
queen monolith
I could slap a av on him and make him bulkier to tank blows in singles.
grizzled bronze
god we love power creep
bold geode
Gouging Fire is good
grizzled bronze
i think bastiodon can IDBP
supple ether
Still, an effective BST of ~450 is remarkable
queen monolith
i think bastiodon can IDBP
Can what?
grizzled bronze
iron defense body press
rustic mountain
Gouging Fire is good
yea ill try it out at some point
bold geode
I have rental oooooooooooooooh
rustic mountain
i cant get over its pineapple head tho
rustic mountain
who
bold geode
You don't know who fuckin Aku Aku is?
bold geode
No it's the tiki mask from Crash Bandicoot
bold geode
Which game?
rustic mountain
w/e one was on the playstation
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
this one ^
bold geode
I'm pretty sure it's on Switch too
I don't recommend it, but it's there
rustic mountain
lmao
i saw they redid spyro and was like 
first 3 of the trilogy
i did get the mario deluxe thing tho, 64, sunshine and galaxy in one
10/10 purchase
upbeat quail
Is there any reason to use Base Arcanine over the hisuian form?
bold geode
i did get the mario deluxe thing tho, 64, sunshine and galaxy in one
I sold it and I wish I didn't
rustic mountain
damn dude
next stump
Is there any reason to use Base Arcanine over the hisuian form?
There are some reasons, but pretty much across the board H-Arc is more useful
rustic mountain
yea which is crazy to say i thought harc was gna b ass
next stump
mono fire is a better defensive typing so if you're running a super bulky wisp/snarl set (which idk why you would really), I could see regular arc being better
bold geode
yea which is crazy to say i thought harc was gna b ass
Bro naw
bold geode
mono fire is a better defensive typing so if you're running a super bulky wisp/s...
It was
But it got crept as well
Sadge
bold geode
Tbf Tree, I also thought it'd be rough
Then it was that guy and I was like damn ok
rustic mountain
yea cant get em all right haha
i fully admitted wen i saw how it did and used it myself at times
upbeat quail
I feel like I ask for team advice here too much, but I’m having a hard time settling on my final team.
Debating on using ogrepon or not
timber falcon
I feel like I ask for team advice here too much, but I’m having a hard time sett...
u can never ask enough
show that team
kindred cypress
Debating on using ogrepon or not
Depends on team but yes
timber falcon
I feel like I ask for team advice here too much, but I’m having a hard time sett...
do u have a pokepaste of it?
upbeat quail
timber falcon
where would u put ogerpon?
upbeat quail
The only three I am settled having on the team are Weezing, Latias, and Incineroar
Everything else is tentative so far
upbeat quail
I have considered flutter, but I’m not really a huge fan of it and I have a hard time forcing myself to use it
timber falcon
i know but its good on wheezing teams
upbeat quail
Oh why’s that?
timber falcon
Well booster energy use is still blocked by gas
did they fix it?
upbeat quail
Yes they fixed it.
upbeat quail
I usually bring him in the back if I’m up against a team that hard focuses weezing. Set up a tailwind and boom
But he’s really not seeing much use on my team
timber falcon
what teams would hardfocus wheezing?
upbeat quail
But yeah my team right now is gonna be D-Urshifu, Weezing, Latias, Incineroar for sure. But the last two spots are still open.
Maybe I’ll consider flutter mane
timber falcon
yeah i won a game today due to me not protecting and causing him to double into the mon i didnt need, i was happy but then again if he attacked i woulda lost
its if ur willing to risk it
tired sage
https://pokepast.es/d210278468514665
do you really need weezing?
timber falcon
do you really need weezing?
i mean his teams based around it.........
in fact im about to make a wheezing team (i wanna annoy my opponents)
tired sage
all i see is a latias that can be hit by ground moves, a landorous that can’t use sheer force
supple ether
Side earth power 
, simple
timber falcon
all i see is a latias that can be hit by ground moves, a landorous that can’t us...
lando isnt set in stone yet, and latias doesnt rly need levitate that much
upbeat quail
@tired sage Weezing is the core
Latias hasn’t really needed levitate much in my experience.
bold geode
I feel like I ask for team advice here too much, but I’m having a hard time sett...
What we're here for so
This is competitive discussion
upbeat quail
That’s a neat weezing team! I’d almost run gunk shot over sludge bomb to hit fluttermane harder. Personal preference tho
I just hate flutter mane
timber falcon
my oger is supposed to smack flutters
kindred cypress
That’s a neat weezing team! I’d almost run gunk shot over sludge bomb to hit flu...
Gunk can miss pretty easily
upbeat quail
True. It’s basically a poison type fissure in my experience
supple ether
I wanna try to make the stone ofrepon work somehow
The biggest use case I have for it is as a good paonite, or more broadly a chien pao core, counter
It struggles a bit vs rillaboom and is inconsistent vs incin
But rock type attacks are massive
Tornadus, GF, incin, dragonite, pao flutter even
They fold
upbeat quail
Do you have any recommended builds for this trio of Stone Ogre, Dragonite, and Chien Pao?
supple ether
I dont think Ive used it with paonite as much as against it. But 192+ speed EVs is a dcent speed tier to hit, outspeeds lando iirc. You dont need a lot of Atk investment, and 156(?) Defense EVs (somewhere in that ballpark) is good for living physical attackers
Dont forget you have a built-in focus sash before you tera
So you can opt to forego bulk and play off the sash
I wouldnt reccomend since rilla and incin, two mons you already struggle with, get fake out
But its an option
upbeat quail
Weezing is so much tankier than people expect
@supple ether Gotcha, so I see that Water Pon might be better.
Would dragonite and Chien-Pao still be good with it, even on a weezing team? Or would Dragonite/D-Urshifu be better?
supple ether
<@994686718974365726> Gotcha, so I see that Water Pon might be better.
It probably is, yeah, but cornerstone has that niche of rock type offenses and shitting on paonite cores
shell sandal
can someone explain to me how to pick my pokemon based on their team pre game? like stuff to look for and matchups to consider etc
upbeat quail
can someone explain to me how to pick my pokemon based on their team pre game? l...
That’s a good question and I am curious too
kindred cypress
can someone explain to me how to pick my pokemon based on their team pre game? l...
Can it deal with flutter, can it deal with incin, can it deal with urshifu, and can it deal with waterpon
timber falcon
Can it deal with flutter, can it deal with incin, can it deal with urshifu, and ...
this only works if they have them in the team
kindred cypress
You’re talking about the most used pokemon in the game
Pretty sure you’ll see at least one 😂
timber falcon
tr teams?
psyspam counter?'
a lot of others to watch out for
not to mention howl
https://pokepast.es/d16f43bd7400586a also any idea of what to add to this team? i was using pao haze to deal with tatsudoza then realised why weezing is on the team
lofty tartan
Probably don't need Ability Shield as much as you think you do. You pivot Intimidate Mon A for Weezing and back to in order to drop your opponents' attack and dodge ground moves.
Here it's good because Gyarados is immune to ground so he covers both ideas really well
Pivot him in to dodge a ground move, get an Intimidate, you can pivot back 🤷
If you have Gyarados and Weezing out on the field, and pivot Weezing, I believe Intimidate procs again
This doesn't happen with Ability Shield
queen monolith
-comp links
gentle cragBOT
-comp links
timber falcon
what item then?
lofty tartan
Give Gyarados a pinch berry or give him Sitrus and give Suicune something else.
Additionally, Lefties is probably less ideal than Sitrus on Weezing.
Burst healing is better for him.
timber falcon
Give Gyarados a pinch berry or give him Sitrus and give Suicune something else.
...
give what to suicune then?
lofty tartan
You have a lot of things on one team that really like having Sitrus, really.
Suicune can take Lefties - give Sitrus to Weezing
timber falcon
okidoki
lofty tartan
Okidogi is usually a Lefites/Bulk Up set
And he has less synergy with Weezing, needing opponents to intimidate him
What nature is your Gyarados here?
OTS is not super helpful
Middle button shows EVs and Natures. This is honestly preferred
Depending on Gyarados' nature he could take one of the pinch berries - likely Figy, Aguav, or Iapapa
Or he can take Goggles or something which is also good
Rocky Helmet works too
I've had some success with Lum Berry Gyarados too
timber falcon
Okidogi is usually a Lefites/Bulk Up set
oh no i meant as in "ok" its just what i say lol
yk, oki doki
lofty tartan
Oh okay. Sorry xD
nocturne holly
Brock Purdy boutta destroy the swifties
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/3369d3e9b2a29857
Just ask if this is ok
that team carried me to 1300+
kindred cypress
Meow should be protean, and arch runs Draco meteor and flash cannon instead of heavy slam and dragon pulse
solid frigate
maybe, Dragon Pulse is much safer,but Flash Cannon make sense
kindred cypress
With rain, electro shot always is 1 turn and you get a spa boost, so it counters Draco’s debuff
Plus pulse can’t ohko
solid frigate
I'll try,but yeah this team becomes even more reliant on Pelipper
supple ether
With rain, electro shot always is 1 turn and you get a spa boost, so it counters...
Arguable. -2 is super rough, especially on a setup mon that otherwise has medeokre offenses
solid frigate
Plus i did not give Archaludon strong SP attack EVs
kindred cypress
That was the comp people’s reasoning when we had this discussion a while back
kindred cypress
Plus i did not give Archaludon strong SP attack EVs
He has stamina, and assault. You should be able to
solid frigate
yeah i make it really tanky lol
supple ether
That was the comp people’s reasoning when we had this discussion a while back
The ohko I can get behind, the offset Id say is a nice bonus about the mon than anything
smoky hawk
Got 2nd at a MSS yesterday. I think I'm going to throw amoonguss on my team
solid frigate
Got 2nd at a MSS yesterday. I think I'm going to throw amoonguss on my team
its not bad for sporing pokemon,but better watch out for opposing grass types
smoky hawk
Well yeah, that's what amoonguss is all about
solid frigate
but Pollen Puff is the thing i forgot it exist-
supple ether
its not bad for sporing pokemon,but better watch out for opposing grass types
Not even, pollenpuff does over half to even wellspring
smoky hawk
Almost all mon on my team have protect, so I can find opportunities to use spore
solid frigate
i only have wide guard on my pelipper,Protect on Amoonguss,and Spikey Shield on Ogerpon
Archaludon is tanky so i ain't worry,but Meow and Urshifu idk
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2057230886
Thats too close-
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/0c329d2676e94d3f thoughts??
old tulip
Hey Everyone! Putting together a team for an event based on Annihilape! Though i am struggling to decide on keeping maushold as my beat up partner as I find value in friend guard! Though on the other hand Whimsicott as a prankster tailwind user with access to beat up, moonblast and taunt seems like a no brainer! The only reason I consider the friend guard is due to my unconventional spread on Annihilape which has been good in recent events at throwing off my opponents as it goes 28/252/4/0/4/220. I sacrifice bulk for the surprise factor of a higher speed Ape
All comments are welcomed and valued! Thank you
next stump
What kind of event is this? Like an official tournament or something with friends?
old tulip
Regionals
So an Official Event! I tried entering other teams in the past but find most of my comfort on an Annihilape core!
next stump
I think Maushold/Ape struggles way too hard into the Flutter Mane/Ogerpon teams that are everywhere now
because they can follow me the beat up and pressure you into a tera
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
old tulip
Very true! May I ask though can they not do the same with the Whimsicottt version? But I guess Whimsicott has other uses due to tailwind!
supple ether
I can get behind it. Especially ifnyou hsve screen support
lofty tartan
They can still Follow Me in front of Whimiscott's beat up and pressure Annihilape with Flutter Mane - yes.
next stump
Whimsicott can at least have tailwind and with another pokemon on your team, threaten the Flutter/Oger lead
lofty tartan
Yeah Whims has other uses, it just leaves the Beat Up off the table and you have to take a different approach into the lead
old tulip
Yeah! that was what i was thinking! I was scared of the bulk and had friend guard on the back of my mind! My Ape is Steel tera aswell if that helps
Thank you all for your thoughts and opinions! They are all super helpful!
next stump
Tera steel is a good option but they can force it out with flutter and have Urshifu RS or SS in the back and then close combat you, Urshifu had 50%+ usage in the past few regionals when you add together the forms
mighty stump
Have you looked at fire tera?
Fire Tera is open to Ogerpon Wellspring
Non-Fairy Tera is open to Darkshifu
old tulip
The reason i went steel was for the fluttermane aswell as minimal damage from beat up due to mine not being built defensively! I do have Incineror on the team aswell with sitrus berry and was also wondering if i should switch his berry and my apes leftovers
I think poison tera worries me due to the amount of trick room teams that have been around with iron crown and other psychic hitters
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/0c329d2676e94d3f thoughts??
dragon plate?
tired sage
dragon plate?
huh-?
Dread plate-
dark plate
timber falcon
ohhh thats dark
nocturne holly
dragon plate?
It’s dark plate with dragon Tera
queen monolith
I just found a good moveset for my iron valient i think
Thunderbolt, electric terrain, drain punch, and spirit break
mighty stump
The reason i went steel was for the fluttermane aswell as minimal damage from be...
Only problem with Steel is as stated, CC and also Chi-Yus
mighty stump
Thunderbolt, electric terrain, drain punch, and spirit break
Why is it mixed
Might as well just run Aura Sphere and Moonblast
queen monolith
Why is it mixed
What electric psychical moves are there?
That iron valient can learn
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
supple ether
Thunder punch 
queen monolith
Oh thunder punch
supple ether
Dont its dogwater
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
supple ether
Oh did it get a bp boost? Still cheeks
dawn crown
anyone have a lando T and hearth flame ogerpon set?
rustic mountain
i think brady smith on twitter posted a bulky spread not that long ago
mighty stump
Lando-T is so unbearably mid atm how the mighty have fallen
rustic mountain
heartflame generally is max speed max atk if not almost to get maximum value of its offensive prowess
mighty stump
Oh did it get a bp boost? Still cheeks
At least Physical Valiant gets CC
rustic mountain
Lando-T is so unbearably mid atm how the mighty have fallen
good, bye
lando i was so annoying haha
queen monolith
If thunder punch isn’t good why not keep Thunderbolt? And drain punch gives hp back. And spirit break lowers sp atk of the enemy
mighty stump
If thunder punch isn’t good why not keep Thunderbolt? And drain punch gives hp b...
Because you’re running mixed
So it’s like a halfway attempt between wanting Physical/Special, which is done by having specific EVs
To be most efficient
You’re too frail@to actually want DP recovery so you should be running CC
rustic mountain
not everything can be iron hands and actually use drain punch effectively
also another huge fall off mon
supple ether
Iron valiant exists for the shiny hunters not the competitive players, cant convince me otherwise
rustic mountain
its a cool mon def like the design but yea its not good in vgc
some dude was day 2ing w/ valiant meowscarada not that long ago
supple ether
For any Psyspam players hanging out, Lillikoal is the future
Lilikoal was mid in series 2, 0% chance it's the future
mighty stump
not everything can be iron hands and actually use drain punch effectively
not everything can be iron hands and actually use drain punch effectively
gentle delta
Lilikoal was mid in series 2, 0% chance it's the future
of course it was mid in Series 2 it was the bad lily
Hisuian Lilligant is really strong lol
supple ether
some dude was day 2ing w/ valiant meowscarada not that long ago
MEOWSCARADA SOLVES THE FORMAT IM TELLING YOU 
gentle delta
I mean @mighty stump will vouch im the TR guy to listen to
one of my lillikoal teams got a friend his first Day 2 in knox, now hes fully converted to TR beacuse of it
mighty stump
I mean, Prog isn’t wrong lol
Hillikoal on a TR team already forces a 50/50
Based off your leads
rustic mountain
yea
queen monolith
So feathers and vitamins are for ev training right?
rustic mountain
wait didnt sempra win w/ lillikoal after nails did well w/ it
its been slept on b4
rustic mountain
So feathers and vitamins are for ev training right?
yes
vitamins are +10 and feathers are +1
queen monolith
Ahhhh. Got it.
mighty stump
-comp ev
mighty stump
just make sure its a 4+8n number
mighty stump
wait didnt sempra win w/ lillikoal after nails did well w/ it
did you see my new blogpost 👁️
rustic mountain
nah link me
queen monolith
So 20 wings and 3 hp ups would be 30 hp ev’s?
rustic mountain
thatd b 50
queen monolith
Oh yeah- I’m dumb. My bad
queen monolith
What about the mochi,
rustic mountain
i didnt even know about ivs and evs until i started playing again in swsh
mighty stump
What about the mochi,
10
rustic mountain
mochi is 10 as well
queen monolith
Got it. Thank you
So I’ve done 50 hp ev’s and 13 def?
I’ve used 3 feathers and a def vitamin
supple ether
Am I crazy or does specs flutter dominate lilikoal?
rustic mountain
make sure ur using the feathers that correspond to the stat u want it in, but yea if u did that, itd b 50 and 13
queen monolith
That makes sense
charred saddle
lando I is more bearable than lando T for me, since its usually not scarfed.
waterpon just bonks it
with tera it ensures the ohko too, even when it poison tera
queen monolith
So 20 iron’s is 200 ev’s?
charred saddle
it ohkos from full
supple ether
I think it does
mighty stump
Am I crazy or does specs flutter dominate lilikoal?
You still outspeed Booster Spe Flutter
rustic mountain
yea u need tw
charred saddle
oh wait nvm that needs to have adamant nvm
rustic mountain
it ohkos from full
idk i faced 1 where it didnt
supple ether
76+ Atk Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 204-242 (124.3 - 147.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
76+ Atk Tera-Water Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera-Poison Landorus: 136-162 (82.9 - 98.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
dawn crown
https://pokepast.es/f2857de17daaecc2 thoughts?
charred saddle
ye ye i forgot its a different set
rustic mountain
who tf is running 0 hp 0 def
supple ether
Relajte, esats example
charred saddle
i think most lando I runs a max max spA and speed no?
idk if people run a bulkier set now
rustic mountain
not in tours or high ladder
queen monolith
So 13 hp ups is 130 ev’s? Am i calculating right?
rustic mountain
maybe originally
charred saddle
i think the old suica team does max max? dont remember
rustic mountain
it gravitated more to like bulky sub recently so ppl put bulk investment innit
charred saddle
why sunny day on pon? seems a bit weird idk
rustic mountain
maybe some teams opted for it, i jus mean for more recent stuff
rustic mountain
So 13 hp ups is 130 ev’s? Am i calculating right?
yes
charred saddle
makes a lot of sense ye
supple ether
252+ SpA Charcoal Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 28 SpD Ogerpon-Wellspring in Sun: 144-171 (77 - 91.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Charcoal Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane in Sun: 109-130 (76.2 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Torkoal Earth Power vs. 236 HP / 124+ SpD Incineroar: 76-90 (38 - 45%) -- 39.9% chance to 3HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
Okay yeah, lilikoal as mid as ever
queen monolith
3 wings and 21 irons is 213 right?
charred saddle
wanna try specs koal now tho
rustic mountain
i hate playing vs torkoal but i love the mon
charred saddle
252+ SpA Choice Specs Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 244 HP / 12 SpD Ursaluna-Bloodmoon in Sun: 246-289 (112.3 - 131.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
queen monolith
And 20 wings and 16 hp ups is 180 right?
rustic mountain
yea
lofty tartan
maybe some teams opted for it, i jus mean for more recent stuff
People are still running no bulk Lando-I sets in official events and ladder 
rustic mountain
who? i havent seen it on any teams recent. theyve all been the bulky sub set
supple ether
252+ SpA Choice Specs Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 236 HP / 124+ SpD Incineroar in Sun: 78-92 (39 - 46%) -- 71% chance to 3HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane in Sun: 138-163 (96.5 - 113.9%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 28 SpD Ogerpon-Wellspring in Sun: 178-211 (95.1 - 112.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 236 HP / 0 SpD Dragonite in Sun: 89-105 (45.4 - 53.5%) -- 41.4% chance to 2HKO
rustic mountain
For a total of 393 ev’s trained right?
i mean thatd b wat it is if u added em up
queen monolith
213 def and 180 hp. 393 ev correct right?
supple ether
Eh, its better but no cigar
charred saddle
just do them under TR and have HH supp then
rustic mountain
No bulk sets are also like 49% of all sets tracked so far
is the tracking based on teams that actually did well or like the entire field? that def skews the result
charred saddle
or something else, koal doesnt have to be lillikoal
supple ether
Especially not with fakeout pressure
rustic mountain
also like give me a name on who has run no bulk lando recently and done well
lofty tartan
is the tracking based on teams that actually did well or like the entire field? ...
The set tracking in 49%+ is Showdown. I'm looking for a set with sub that I have pastes for from high-ranking official results.
supple ether
Koal's not bad, but I wouldnt call it good. Scary for sure, especially if youre not ready for it
lofty tartan
I'm finding sets with Sub, but no sets with bulk, so I'm still looking through pastes.
rustic mountain
ahh ok yea i honestly am jus going off wat ive seen myself. anytime i had seen lando i do well like on raghavs team for example, it was bulky sub. not sure why ud run sub w/o it
charred saddle
i mean people can still run sub with no bulk
especially to get more values on turns where people protects
rustic mountain
nd ones ive played vs. like u could tell it was more then average bulk
lofty tartan
ahh ok yea i honestly am jus going off wat ive seen myself. anytime i had seen l...
James Evans ran Sub with only 52 hp investment.
It's 171 hp after EVs
rustic mountain
i mean people can still run sub with no bulk
i mean u could, i jus see less reason to personally
rustic mountain
James Evans ran Sub with only 52 hp investment.
wat was the def/sp def
if u know that is
lofty tartan
Defense bulk for sub doesn't really matter as much since it cuts HP
strange fjord
weird ask, but does anyone have a Pokemon Showdown replay where someone uses revival blessing? In any format, just need to see the replay on showdown.
lofty tartan
I don't have it off the top of my head, but I'm still looking 🤷
rustic mountain
yea but im jus talking overall bulk not neccessarily for sub hp specifically
cuz that does help w/ taking hits behind the sub after drops and such from like intimidate
yea jus curious
rustic mountain
weird ask, but does anyone have a Pokemon Showdown replay where someone uses rev...
i dont, sorry
supple ether
Whats the theory for sub HP? Is 160, 161, or 163 HP stat better for example?
rustic mountain
i could try digging but i didnt really use pawmot much
queen monolith
Would a sandstorm team be viable in singles?
charred saddle
cuts 1/4 health
queen monolith
Would a sandstorm team be viable in singles?
Tyranitar, bastiodon, and a few others that idk yet.
lofty tartan
Whats the theory for sub HP? Is 160, 161, or 163 HP stat better for example?
Sub cuts hp by 25%, so it gets rounded
charred saddle
just calc on them
lofty tartan
Pokemon always rounds down
strange fjord
the quality of the match doesn't matter either, just need to see how Showdown handles revival blessing on their replay logs
lofty tartan
Whats the theory for sub HP? Is 160, 161, or 163 HP stat better for example?
These would all be 40
supple ether
Sub cuts hp by 25%, so it gets rounded
So 163 is ideal (assuming you have the EVs for it)
lofty tartan
No. All three are identical.
lofty tartan
Substitute will cut 40hp at 160, 161, 162, 163
lofty tartan
Pokemon always rounds down.
but 163 leaves you with the most HP. A net 3 HP remaining
lofty tartan
I think it'll leave you with 3 after 4 subs, yeah
charred saddle
aside from subs yeah
lofty tartan
I didn't realize that was the question you were asking.
supple ether
Oh sorry 
I mean like hyper minmaxing ideals
charred saddle
167 will also have 3 remainings then so
lofty tartan
I'm playing Sub Lando right now, but I don't click Substitute 4 times.
charred saddle
oh 171 happens to be so haha
lofty tartan
Like... ever.
supple ether
But okay dope yeah the theory works like I expect
charred saddle
171 to be 42 with 3 remaining
lofty tartan
Yeah it's just like life orb.
Anything that gets rounded out by rounding down ends up being a leftover value after all uses are expended.
supple ether
169/179. hP baby
lofty tartan
Or ideal uses, since you can KO yourself with Life Orb.
rustic mountain
imagine if instead of sub failing u faint
nocturne holly
I'm playing Sub Lando right now, but I don't click Substitute 4 times.
can I see the spread 😈
charred saddle
is sub prio? i dont think it is right
rustic mountain
no
charred saddle
just based on speed
rustic mountain
yep
lofty tartan
can I see the spread 😈
Frankly I'm probably playing no-bulk Timid on cart ladder right now
rustic mountain
i liked sub zacian a lot in swsh and sub heatran in reg d i think it was?
lofty tartan
It's been a-ok
nocturne holly
I need a bulky lando I spread
rustic mountain
I need a bulky lando I spread
brady smith posted one on twitter recently
lofty tartan
Lemme just check something
rustic mountain
almost a month ago so ig not that recent 
lofty tartan
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 132 HP / 4 Def / 132 SpA / 4 SpD / 236 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Sludge Bomb
- Substitute/Sandsear Storm
- Protect```
This is Brady's
Evans ran 52hp unknown Def at KnoxThere's no way for Lando to really survive Wellspring outside of Tera anyway and inside of it with 52 hp you guarantee a max of like 92% hp from Tera Water Wellspring 76 adamant
94.7%*
Close
I'd like to know where he took the 52 from though. I only got to that investment by checking his Lando's hp on stream
queen monolith
Would bold bastiodon be the right way to go?
queen monolith
For a singles team
queen monolith
Sandstorm team. And I wanna build bastiodon as a wall
solid frigate
Sandstorm team. And I wanna build bastiodon as a wall
T tar,With Bastiodon and pokemon that benefits via Sand veil or Sand Rush
Torterra?
Lemme think on it
queen monolith
Houndstone?
solid frigate
Houndstone?
yep lemme build one for ya
queen monolith
Thanks. I’ll get what I’m planning so far into a pokepaste thing
nocturne holly
```Landorus @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
...
Thxx
queen monolith
-comp links
gentle cragBOT
-comp links
lofty tartan
Thxx
- Hits as hard as 252 Timid
- OHKOs 252/156+ Incineroar with Earth Power
- Outspeeds 252 Adamant Urshifu
- Survives Scarf Tera Water Urshifu Surging Strikes all but 6.3% of the time (after Tera Poison)
- Survives Mystic Water non-Tera Urshifu Surging Strikes 100% (after Tera Poison)
Notes:
- The logic of the spread went as follows: Outspeed Urshifu>OHKO SpD Incin>HP Dump
- HP was chosen to be dumped for the split bulk. You can reach a 100% surging strikes survival rate with 36 HP / 100 Def, but instead, I think the general bulk is better.
- You can technically go down to 116 HP and go 252 Speed if you want to speed creep opposing Modest Lando-I. This keeps the integrity of the spread, do what you gotta do. 132 is more optimal in nearly every other situation besides the mirror. You could also theoretically dump these EVS into SpA if you want a bump.```
These are his notes on it fyiW thx
lofty tartan
W thx
- If running Substitute, look for aggressive opportunities to get a Sub. One properly timed sub can legit win you a game. Seek opportunities to get sub. Playing into Amoonguss is a great opportunity to do this. Fake Out the ally then sub in front of the Amoonguss. This can go unpunished.
- Landorus-I is a glass cannon. Our HP investment can only get us so far. The ideal way to use this Pokemon is to outspeed the board presented to you and get a KO every turn. Poison Ground is great type coverage. Get OHKOs, if you can't, chip their team into range and sweep in the late game.
- Use proper support for Lando. Add a tailwind mode on your team or have Fake Out/Redirection. Landorus is a glass cannon, if you build too much into offense with your team, it might end up being too volatile.
- Have a way to punish Tera-Water Ogerpon on your team. Ogerpon's best defensive tool into you is Tera Watering on your kit. Make sure your team is constructed in a way that can punish this line. Rillaboom is a great example here.```
Final notes https://pokepast.es/98046881ef8f57fb
Without Legendary
https://pokepast.es/0f2adce31eb78f98
With Legendaries
supple ether
CHIEFS WON
Scripted win
queen monolith
https://pokepast.es/98046881ef8f57fb
Without Legendary
https://pokepast.es/0f2ad...
https://pokepast.es/67620506b66c663c
This is what I just finished making
solid frigate
I forgot Garchomp-but yeah Garchomp is good as well
queen monolith
Yes I know I have a choice scarf on cacturne.
nocturne holly
Scripted win
ONG
CRAZY HOW 49ERS THRWW THEIR LEAD
queen monolith
For spikes and hopefully outspeed enough to get a destiny bond off.
solid frigate
Yes I know I have a choice scarf on cacturne.
Scarf Cacturne is kinda interesting,but yeah remember to switch out if your cactus is done his job
queen monolith
Send him out first for spikes, swap out. And send out later for a destiny bond attempt
stone tide
https://pokepast.es/bf590488622e40f4 you guys think this team is strong? i've been trying to improve my teambuilding, but i can't tell if this is any good or not so i would like some advice pls
queen monolith
Scarf Cacturne is kinda interesting,but yeah remember to switch out if your cact...
How does the rest look?
solid frigate
How does the rest look?
It looks good,nothing bad
next stump
https://pokepast.es/bf590488622e40f4 you guys think this team is strong? i've be...
I definitely think this team is playable
just gotta figure out your leads into common teams and what your gameplans are
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/bf590488622e40f4 you guys think this team is strong? i've be...
that team is very similar to my rain team,but yeah its gonna def survive low to Mid Elo
queen monolith
What if I did grass knot or seed bomb instead of energy ball?
I can swap out spikes for toxic spikes too
I tried pikalytics but they had nothing for cacturne lol
I flew in blind with him
solid frigate
What if I did grass knot or seed bomb instead of energy ball?
Grass Knot Is based on weight but you build your Cacturne as Special attacker.
queen monolith
That’s valid. Plus I’d still have water coverage
solid frigate
That’s valid. Plus I’d still have water coverage
mhm
queen monolith
Cause. Major water and grass weakness.
solid frigate
Cause. Major water and grass weakness.
and Ground,so yeah Cacturne is good for it
queen monolith
And with toxic spikes up it’ll put them on a small timer
solid frigate
And with toxic spikes up it’ll put them on a small timer
watch out for Rapid spinners and you will be fine
queen monolith
Would iron head be fine for excadrill or would metal claw or metal sound even be better?
Could use them to lower sp def
But honestly I’d want def to drop.
solid frigate
Would iron head be fine for excadrill or would metal claw or metal sound even be...
i mean,If Lacey's Excadrill killed my Mon with Iron Head,yeah sure Iron Head is Staple
queen monolith
Damn- alright
I’ve been debating something.
What if I did rock Tera for garchomp?
solid frigate
What if I did rock Tera for garchomp?
i would be interesting,I usually Ran Steel or Ground but try it out to see it?
queen monolith
Cause he has rock slide
But ground Tera earthquake with soft sand is so tempting
But maybe a bit predictable with a sandstorm team
solid frigate
Cause he has rock slide
It would work,but since its Singles,use Stone Edge
queen monolith
Ngl I forgot about stone edge
solid frigate
Ngl I forgot about stone edge
yeah
queen monolith
What if I used a muscle band for houndstone instead?
Boosts the moves, but doesn’t lock me into one
solid frigate
Boosts the moves, but doesn’t lock me into one
Life Orb technically does that as well but yeah if you don't want to lose health then sure
queen monolith
If I use houndstone for an attempt at last respects sweep, I don’t want him losing life in case something survives and hits back
strange fjord
Maybe a Spooky Plate then? To boost Last Respects a little more
solid frigate
yeah
queen monolith
Would boost shadow sneak too
solid frigate
Yeah
queen monolith
I got to do auctions for the spooky plate.
queen monolith
Valid. Might change Tyranitar’s item to a smooth stone.
strange fjord
its a different tag
queen monolith
its a different tag
Ah
queen monolith
Got it. Thanks
What do you think of the singles team I made though?
I’ve gotten Morris’s opinion
charred saddle
dont play single, most people here play VGC
strange fjord
I'm more of a VGC player so I'm not qualified enough to offer advice.
queen monolith
Valid
solid frigate
I'm more of a VGC player so I'm not qualified enough to offer advice.
i play both so i can try
queen monolith
So there’s no spell tag here
Maybe I’m at the wrong one
I was in levincia. My fault
next stump
anyone know off the top of their head when the next regional is?
solid frigate
anyone know off the top of their head when the next regional is?
idek
solid frigate
damn it’s vancouver in 1.5 months
Welp i can't go there lol-
solid frigate
welp i have no money to go to both places
strange fjord
The only one I got money to go is the Los Angeles one. But hey, at least we can watch them from the internets
solid frigate
The only one I got money to go is the Los Angeles one. But hey, at least we can ...
true lol
If there is one in UK in the future,its my debut time-
obviously i can't survive but still
next stump
LA will be a super fun tournament I feel like
definitely one of the coolest host cities
solid frigate
i missed the UK one-
strange fjord
Anyone planning on attending the LA one?
queen monolith
@solid frigate what if I ran icy wind instead of low kick? Semi speed control
solid frigate
Anyone planning on attending the LA one?
i can't,i am in UK and flights costly
solid frigate
<@758873265053106217> what if I ran icy wind instead of low kick? Semi speed co...
it would work but don't use it on obvious Trick Room Teams.
strange fjord
Cause, just letting you know, I plan on winning that one 😎 ||even though I have like a 0.01% chance of actually winning it||
queen monolith
it would work but don't use it on obvious Trick Room Teams.
But I could just swap into bastiodon cause he’s slow as fuck.
solid frigate
But I could just swap into bastiodon cause he’s slow as fuck.
it would work then but yeah only bastiodon is slow enought to work
queen monolith
There are his stats right now
solid frigate
There are his stats right now
thats not bad
queen monolith
Tyranitar is decently slow too. 81 speed.
solid frigate
And the bastiodon is AV
yeah thats good enough
solid frigate
because i might play Tailwind Teams too much-
queen monolith
My sun team is a trick room team kinda
solid frigate
Houndstone is 90 speed
90 is hard to play around,cuz its fast but not fast enough but not slow enough
solid frigate
My sun team is a trick room team kinda
Lemme Guess,Torkal and Indeedee
queen monolith
queen monolith
Lemme Guess,Torkal and Indeedee
Farigiraf
Hyper voice to activate throat spray. Then bug type tera blast or no Tera and twin beam.
solid frigate
Farigiraf
ok i think i fought a similar team like this, and i stalled 2 trick room with my Amoonguss,Pelipper and Archaludon
queen monolith
Nice
solid frigate
Hyper voice to activate throat spray. Then bug type tera blast or no Tera and tw...
Use Psychic instead of Twin Beam.
queen monolith
I once accidentally used my tera with farigiraf. Actually helped me win
solid frigate
I once accidentally used my tera with farigiraf. Actually helped me win
its not bad if you know the matchup
queen monolith
And torkoal has lava plume not eruption. I need to update that
solid frigate
Tera Fire Eruption go brrrrr-
queen monolith
its not bad if you know the matchup
They had a meowscarada out. Tera blast
queen monolith
Tera Fire Eruption go brrrrr-
But lava plume works so well with ceruledge
It activates flash fire
queen monolith
Mb. I used Tera blast on meowscarada. x4 weak to it
And cause trick room was up, I went first stopping a flower trick from hitting me
solid frigate
It activates flash fire
i usually ran Weakness Policy Weak Armor on the Armarouge+Ceruledge Set
solid frigate
hhmmmmmmmmmmm
queen monolith
Cause they’d have to gamble weak armor or flash fire. Cause there’s physical fire moves too. Fought a guy who used blaze kick or something on ceruledge
Some sort of fire kicking move
solid frigate
only blaze kick is fire kicking-
queen monolith
I didn’t remember the name
But yeah. Lava plume activates flash fire. And if I don’t wanna hit my teammates (ceruledge only) i got heat wave
solid frigate
if that works go for it
solid frigate
yeah
queen monolith
I need a high horsepower tm but I don’t have one already
charred saddle
queen monolith
I think if I keep rock slide on garchomp or tyranitar I could use that team in doubles also.
solid frigate
I think if I keep rock slide on garchomp or tyranitar I could use that team in d...
yea
queen monolith
In sword and shield I got wonder traded a hacked in shiny regieleki. Bro was busted fast.
548 speed I think
solid frigate
its literally bolts of electricity
solid frigate
west Province has mudbrays
queen monolith
I’m in there right now
charred saddle
wtf am i playing
solid frigate
wtf am i playing
wacky teams in a Nutshell
but Tera Electric Chien Pao what
i understand its for Bolt Beam Coverage but what-
also isn't that make Blissey even more frail to Urshifu-
queen monolith
-comp links
gentle cragBOT
-comp links
solid frigate
thats gonna be fine
queen monolith
Just got to get iron head and two protect tm’s
solid frigate
mhm
queen monolith
Then I’ll go test it out
solid frigate
Then I’ll go test it out
you could try against me if you want in showdown first
queen monolith
I’ve never played showdown before. But I can try