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#competitive_discussion
tired sage
real prairie
fair
ill be honest, i didnt lol
banking on the +SpAtk +Def from its moves and abilities lol
real prairie
screams of top end players dieing to it on a ladder reset from low end players and adopting it
mighty stump
252/12 HP Def, dump in SpDef, 4 4 in rest
mighty stump
screams of top end players dieing to it on a ladder reset from low end players a...
Showdown doesn't have ladder resets
Its a Cybertron video
real prairie
Showdown doesn't have ladder resets
I meant people smurfing to reclimb the ladder with a new team
mighty stump
Yeah but I don't see what your analysis attempts to explain
Low elo players cannot recognise who they're playing if its high-elo alts or not
vice versa
And having it be common enough to meet on ladder in quick succession would suggest you met a group of people that have the exact same team, therefore the team would hvae spread from some point
grizzled bronze
any tips on how to play balance?
real prairie
what i was trying to say was that type of team is very common in the low end of the ladder especially in BO1 where i unfortunately spend a lot of time
so its leaking through to the top end (Where you are)
tired sage
any tips on how to play balance?
mmm…
what’s the general team you’re using?
grizzled bronze
let me just pull up the team i got
grizzled bronze
it's just a standard raging bolt balance team
https://pokepast.es/54acfef83e0130c2
im playing too much hyper offense and i wanna try balance instead
mighty stump
any tips on how to play balance?
Identify your checks into an opponents teams and make sure your leads have a good midground
Balance has strong synergy both horizontally/vertically and you want to ensure you can almost always reposition until it's time to break
grizzled bronze
Identify your checks into an opponents teams and make sure your leads have a goo...
thanks ill keep that in mind
gentle cragBOT
thanks ill keep that in mind
taiki._. has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu
mighty stump
Having solid fundamentals is also important when playing balance
Since you don't need to make hard calls immediately
grizzled bronze
i need to stop leading aggressively, im too used to immediate pressure
mighty stump
Thanks to again, the synergy between the team
It's not like HO, where you have frontloaded pressure so you need to call a lead/make reads based off mindgames immediately
grizzled bronze
yup it's very different
like after a few games or so im starting to understand how it works
and it's very fun to slowly chip away and break their team
mighty stump
Balance >
surreal echo
https://pokepast.es/20f323b571cd3f12 Thoughts? Been trying out this team for a little bit. Wondering if there are any changes I should make
mighty stump
Depends
What are you trying to make changes for
Aside from having a team that's kinda scary against a well-played Lando-I
Especially cause Bolt cannot escpae the Ground weakness
surreal echo
What are you trying to make changes for
Not sure, just wondering if there’s something I might’ve overlooked
Yeah Lando-I is a little scary
tired sage
is lando I relevant again…?
surreal echo
I mean it’s one of the best answers to raging bolt
Maybe I’ll change Raging Bolt to grass tera and see how that goes
Follow-up question, what’re people’s thoughts on Volcarona now? With Urshifu-Rapid kinda falling off and the prevalence of Grass-types and Farigaraf, I’m wondering if Volcarona could finally have a niche
supple ether
is lando I relevant again…?
Has been at 26% for a while now
But Ive personally seen more of it recently
mighty stump
Follow-up question, what’re people’s thoughts on Volcarona now? With Urshifu-Rap...
Quiver Dance is alright
Urshifu RS is still finding success, despite its usage dipping
timber falcon
By itself is spectrier better or glastrier?
bold geode
Depends on team
tired sage
glast for tr and spec for tw ig…
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
tired sage
base 30 
next stump
glastrier is a beast of a pokemon just in terms of stats
bold geode
Well Glastrier is TR
Spectrier is just faster so TW or whatever else can be used
bold geode
It says the total is 580
bold geode
But Nasty Plot Honse
bold geode
True lmao
Only other shit you got is Draining Kiss essentially
Guess that's why it worked on that one team
When you got +2 Honse and Grimm hits you with that Fake Tears, wtf you doin
lethal zinc
With what coverage
Mud shot horse going crazy in 1000 elo.
bold geode
Ayo
Amon comp moments
lethal zinc
So true.
I joked to Tofu about picking up singles so I could be the one singles player in this chat that can give advice.
bold geode
So true
This do be Amon comp moments
bold geode
I joked to Tofu about picking up singles so I could be the one singles player in...
Bro on one side, we need it
But other side, if it's BSS, don't put yourself thru that hell 
lethal zinc
bold geode
I played it for a day or two and the only thing I understood was Supreme Overlord Kingambit
next stump
It says the total is 580
yeah but SpA is wasted
bold geode
yeah but SpA is wasted
True lmao
supple ether
BST 
Effective BST 
timber falcon
Any thoughts on mons that would be good?
tired sage
BST <:drakesad:990004399529140324>
Effective BST <:ohyeah:1068165041569923122>
that’s a thing-
timber falcon
supple ether
that’s a thing-
<:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
Eh kinda. It's a more accurate repressntation of a mons strength. Like Arceus has the highedt BST but zacian for example has a higjer effective BST since you only really use one attacking stat
tired sage
ohhhh
light mural
can anyone tell me why players tend to run flutter mane with choice specs plus perish song. perish song seems like one of the last moves i want to lock in to, yet its seemingly everywhere.
mighty stump
It's for endgame board states
Or Dondozo for example
If you have numbers advantage you can freely click Perish Song to guarantee a win in 3 turns
Or remove Dondozo depending on how your team is built
If you have enough resources to stall it out
Rather than praying for a crit/attempting to nuke/wallbreak
light mural
ohhhhh, so its to be used as a type of checkmate
mighty stump
It's also useful to pressure/force switches against things that want to sit/stay on the field for a prolonged period of time
Yea
light mural
imagine having perish+pursuit
but why do people run this on choice specifically. i would much rather have booster speed plus the ability to click protect to to stall perish song
mighty stump
Happy Chinese New Year everyone and 恭喜发财
next stump
you rarely click the 4th move on flutter
next stump
power gem or thunder bolt are only ever getting clicked in niche scenarios
bold geode
but why do people run this on choice specifically. i would much rather have boos...
Because nowadays, the 4th moveslot on specs builds for it are or can just be a niche
Thunderbolt had less use as Tera Fairy Moonblast just does more damage usually
So Moonblast/Gleam/Shadow Ball and then whatever
Some run TR, some do Perish, some others do other attacking moves like Power Gem
mighty stump
I hope you all recieve good fortunes in the coming year
bold geode
Happy Chinese New Year everyone and 恭喜发财
Happy Chinese New Year
Perish Song is interesting for yeah the Dozo MUs as yeah Dozo is a fucking PROBLEM lmao
Even with Gouging Fire setting off Howl boosts for Ogerpon, best it can do is chip away sometimes unless you pray to RNG gods for crits (which still a bit iffy as Ivy Cudgel is resisted so Tera Water is really your source of damage for Cudgel crits)
That's the one thing that sorta nerfs Dozo is that it can't switch at all once Tatsugiri hops in its mouth
And others have it worse
Dondozo can be strong rn, it's just harder to pilot cuz well
Everyone knows how Dozogiri works, people know counters, so you gotta know how to play around that and such
Dozogiri mind games are a VERY REAL thing
Sort of the same logic with Armadee Psyspam
People know how that works too, which is why people developed ways of dealing with things that hurt said duo
Why things like Gallade or Ursaluna were paired with it essentially
I'm just glad I haven't seen as much of the classic 2-2-2 like before
Fuck sorry for text wall, I got into it lmao
molten oasis
Follow-up question, what’re people’s thoughts on Volcarona now? With Urshifu-Rap...
Volcarona is a good quiver dance sweeper with a screens team
Volcarona+Grimmsnarl is pretty good
If you want example cores I think Volcarona, intimidate and or fake out with uturn or parting shot (rillaboom, incineroar, lando t), Grimmsnarl, and then something else to abuse screens, like Archaludon or Ogerpon Wellspring
surreal echo
Volcarona+Grimmsnarl is pretty good
I’m sensing some bias in this statement, “CEO of Grimmsnarl”
My worry about using screens is that like four meta Pokemon can crit through them
And Flutter Mane obliterates Grimm
molten oasis
My worry about using screens is that like four meta Pokemon can crit through the...
2
Run roseli berry if you’re worried about flutter
If you use screens you do need shifu counters
Grimmsnarl is actually pretty good into single strike, rapid strike is not the same story
molten oasis
I’m sensing some bias in this statement, “CEO of Grimmsnarl”
Not bias, Volc Grimm is an archetype that exists
It’s not particularly strong but it’s not bad by any means
dull ibex
Happy Chinese New Year everyone and 恭喜发财
🥳 happy cny
molten oasis
The other two would be ogerpon
That’s not guaranteed
If you’re worried about crits on screens use hoodra
bold geode
Grimmsnarl is perfectly fine lol
I mean screens is a choice anyways if you're so worried about that
It has such a diverse movepool
People forget that
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
bold geode
Fake Out, Sucker Punch, Parting Shot, Taunt, T Wave, Misty Terrain, Fake Tears, Spirit Break
All good moves
queen monolith
-comp links
gentle cragBOT
-comp links
timber falcon
Is it unfavourable to use teams that aren’t balance or meta???
For instance a snow team
Cause I wanna expand my use in teams and piloting
surreal delta
yeaa but i find protect always valuable and i havent rly had any issues with just using dragon pulse but its whatever
next stump
he means calm mind raging bolt with comfey supporting it
next stump
Is it unfavourable to use teams that aren’t balance or meta???
depends entirely on your definition of unfavorable IMO. Are you less likely to win? Maybe. Are the teams harder to get wins with, probably. Can you still win games (especially on ladder), yes
timber falcon
depends entirely on your definition of unfavorable IMO. Are you less likely to w...
What would u recommend I should do to get better at both team building and piloting teams?
Cause I’ve been making quite a lot of teams but not getting anywhere tbh
next stump
To get better at piloting teams, use very simple and straight forward meta teams that have either team reports or videos made on how to use them
and also just practice a lot while being mindful of how you’re playing the game
timber falcon
Alright will do thanks
next stump
Teambuilding is a skill that comes with playing the game a lot and thinking about what can break the current meta, and also what pairs well with certain teams and pokemon
stuff like Fire/Water/Grass cores, support pokémon, etc.
next stump
Doesn’t need to be balance necessarily, you can do hyper offense stuff with good type synergy
there’s a reason rillaboom, incin or chi-yu, and urshifu-RS is usually seen on hyper offense
timber falcon
Yeah my problem is I suck at hyper offensive. I’m fond of bulky mons that can still pack a punch like iron hands and gholdengo
timber falcon
there’s a reason rillaboom, incin or chi-yu, and urshifu-RS is usually seen on h...
Would teams need a theme to work? I struggle with teams that don’t have a “plan” like psyspam or trick room then sweep. Should I just practice a bunch of battles with balance teams??? With Incin and rilla ect
Especially flutter
timber falcon
Well im suprised chat isn’t moving
Anyway this is my first attempt at a balanced team, any thoughts?
tired sage
COMFEYYYYY
timber falcon
Indeed indeed
Used it for a bit and it’s come to be an amazing support mon for me, like they really REALLY stacked this thing up with support moves
tired sage
wait…
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
tired sage
it gets both trick room and tailwind ooooo
timber falcon
Ikr Its amazing
worldly rock
Pog
supple ether
It only gets priority on Dkiss, giga drain, and floral.healing
Though the possible moves it could work with is much longer
Of note are things like leech life and matcha gatcha
azure karma
How is Lunala I guess, does it want any particular EVs, or just pump two stats to 252 and the remaining 4 somewhere else?
next stump
currently banned in competitive
but usually when it’s legal it’s near max Special Attack, near max HP, with some in speed
tired sage
Guys can floral healing be boosted by anything?
not that i know of
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
supple ether
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
supple ether
Does moongeist beam break disguise and ignore garganacl's ghost resistance, is that it?
timber falcon
Does moongeist beam break disguise and ignore garganacl's ghost resistance, is t...
Garganacl has ghost resistance???
supple ether
+3 prio too goes hard
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
timber falcon
Oh damn never new this
supple ether
Nah, I forget exactly
Regional dex format was good fun tho
Excited for gen5 spinoff and gen10 regional format
tired sage
dango is dango though…
tired sage
what-
i call gholdengo dango…
tired sage
it’s a cute name-
tired sage
no not this again
tired sage
STAWWWPP
bold geode
Were you the one who did that?
tired sage
yeah-
bold geode
Lmao
Hey it made for good memes
And possibly a name for my future Lando
If German Lando doesn't fit the bill
tired sage
what is it in german?
bold geode
Demeteros or something like that
azure karma
but usually when it’s legal it’s near max Special Attack, near max HP, with some...
alright thank you for the help
gentle cragBOT
alright thank you for the help
panbanhbrot has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd
bold geode
Almost autocorrected to Demetrius
tired sage
Demeteros or something like that
:0
that’s a cool name
bold geode
Yeah
But Lamborus is also good
Also found out that Wolfe nicknamed his Farigiraf after that one meme where the two guys are digging for diamonds
tired sage
i have a weird naming system xD
bold geode
I just name my random shit if I do
Hell when I helped one person by making them a team, I legitimately nicknamed them shit in my room
Like I named one "Klondike" cuz I was eating a Klondike bar
bold geode
Yeah they are
tired sage
frick is this rng diff or what, I keep missing 95 accuracy moves
that’s a skill diff-
/j
that’s really unlucky…
i’ve only missed… once or twice ever in my vgc career in sv
tough idol
that’s a skill diff-
/j
that’s really unlucky…
i’ve only missed… once or twice e...
Play an in person OTS event and you'll miss (I did, godamned Bleakwind and Sandsear double misses)
tired sage
mm that’s fair.
i haven’t played much cart or been to an in person event ever
ruby epoch
I’m building a Weezing team with Weezing, regigigas, slaking, toedscruel, and grafaiai, but I just can’t find a good 6th Pokémon to run. Any suggestions(other than urshifu lol)
tired sage
grafaiai?
karmic temple
Doodle changes yours teams abilities
supple ether
Doodle changes yours teams abilities
Doodle now being able to copy paradox abilities is a major buff
Too bad it's no longer regional dex format
tired sage
Doodle now being able to copy paradox abilities is a major buff
What-
empty siren
Is there a way to have 6v6 battles on the pokeportal? Any kind of specific stadium or tournament that's a 6v6 OU formatñ
mighty stump
No, you have to Link Battle and custom format basically
supple ether
Nothing on cart since those are unofficial formats. But if you play a casual singles battle you can set the rules and have similar battles. Though showdown will be quicker
mighty stump
I pray for fortune for all of you and ask for forgiveness on any wrongs I have inflicted 🙏
rustic mountain
supple ether
I wish for tree co. To send me that emoji so I can have it in my life 
mighty stump
theyre already having lion dances at my apartment
rustic mountain
i dont have it as an image to send u
kindred cypress
I pray for fortune for all of you and ask for forgiveness on any wrongs I have i...
Judge my new team and I will
supple ether
I cant 
(or I dont know how)
rustic mountain
theyre already having lion dances at my apartment
me looking up wat lion dances are 
mighty stump
Literally cannot be snarky/sarcastic/mean today
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
tofu judge my shed tail sceptile team
rustic mountain
yes
mighty stump
Idk what will hurt all of you more, knowing all this time I could have been nice and supportive or knowing i choose to be mean a lot of the time
rustic mountain
mighty stump
<:OdaGrin:968599253129789490>
Is this racial
rustic mountain
?
rustic mountain
its jus a smile emote i use a lot of goda himself
mighty stump
its jus a smile emote i use a lot of goda himself
if u say so
rustic mountain
def didnt mean anything by it, sorry if it came across as anything else
kindred cypress
https://pokepast.es/306b08d80d242ee6
@mighty stump
molten oasis
<@465881273454559252> don't you love Lamborus Incarnate
Lando I is a fraud
mighty stump
def didnt mean anything by it, sorry if it came across as anything else
I’m joking Tree
lmaooo
LET ME HAVE THIS I CANT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808>
Goggles on Incineroar or Sub on Lando otherwise its a massive Amoonguss weakness since theres no switch in for it
bold geode
Idk what will hurt all of you more, knowing all this time I could have been nice...
It's like this one episode where Superman and Batman are interrogating someone, but Batman is the nice cop and Superman bad cop
And Batman is freaking the guy out more
mighty stump
Lol
bold geode
Also I like how you said "I can't be mean today"
Like "but TOMORROW THO"
kindred cypress
Idk what will hurt all of you more, knowing all this time I could have been nice...
Well to be fair, I would have to care about people to be hurt by this
cold ivy
can someone help me build a team to dominate battle tower? i can dm u pictures of my pokemon (pokemon sword)
kindred cypress
can someone help me build a team to dominate battle tower? i can dm u pictures o...
Zacian, shadow calyrex, Regieleki
cold ivy
Zacian, shadow calyrex, Regieleki
well i also have the completed pokedex and every pokemon sword ultra beast and legendary if that changes anything for the possible setup
graceful scaffold
Do u have the dlc?
kindred cypress
well i also have the completed pokedex and every pokemon sword ultra beast and l...
No, those are the busted ones
kindred cypress
When in doubt, meta
zealous pendant
ik excadrill isn't the best ground type in the competitive scene, but does anyone know a good gen 9 Bulky excadrill set?
kindred cypress
ik excadrill isn't the best ground type in the competitive scene, but does anyon...
Pikalytics
ornate forge
ik excadrill isn't the best ground type in the competitive scene, but does anyon...
maybe
substitute
earthquake
iron head
fling
zealous pendant
hm
ornate forge
protect
zealous pendant
what type of evs we lookin for it
grizzled bronze
fling what
ornate forge
iron
grizzled bronze
hh, iron head, sd, prot is probably the most common in my experience
and clear amulet
kindred cypress
i used one with fling
Why on earth would you ever consider fling?
Your wasting an item for measly damage
ornate forge
ik excadrill isn't the best ground type in the competitive scene, but does anyon...
but yeah
i would use it on a sand team
with
protect
zealous pendant
currently trying a little bit of fun on the OU ladder, with a ground mono
ornate forge
hh
zealous pendant
and i wanted too try something interesting
ornate forge
iron head
kindred cypress
@mighty stump is it still nice day there?
ornate forge
and something else
and then maybe a bit of attack
bit of speed
and then the rest for defences
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> is it still nice day there?
Going around meeting relatives
Decently
Its close to@election season so its also rough to be chinese atm
zealous pendant
imma trying something quite stupid, using hone claws instead of swords dance
kindred cypress
Its close to@election season so its also rough to be chinese atm
That season’s rough on everyone
zealous pendant
so i dont miss anything
excadrill is still going too be quite strong even without the +2
mighty stump
That season’s rough on everyone
no as in i could get hate crimed just be showing my face outside in certain areas
ornate forge
or the other one that strengthens
kindred cypress
no as in i could get hate crimed just be showing my face outside in certain area...
Oh, well that’s lovely
ornate forge
sand force i think
zealous pendant
and yeah you can try sand rush
i think i will, or mold breaker since unaware pokemon exist
and im seeing a couple of them
ornate forge
wait which pokemon
kindred cypress
Dondozo
zealous pendant
we got quagsire
both of them are physically bulky
and might switch in too wall
if its not mold breaker, so imma not give them the opportunity
and make em think about setting up or resting ig
zealous pendant
yeah it does
then again, might have to use a tera
against the fast water types
i dunno, like tera grass or something
ornate forge
yeah
zealous pendant
good into water types and gives it a stab energy ball
im liking a assault vest one, although healing might be noice
the thing gets giga drain
which one is better, more damage or healing
im running like some bull rn
zealous pendant
k
lusty mountain
Best Tera type for Gholdengo and Toxapex?
supple ether
Smogon if this is singles, pikalytics if vgc
cold ivy
anyone got a good team for doubles in battle tower?
supple ether
anyone got a good team for doubles in battle tower?
0000 0002 HL7Y N1
https://youtu.be/GUYkiPs7uTc?si=Ap8_3uYS8T-8_Ebn
Dracovish go brrr
cold ivy
0000 0002 HL7Y N1
https://youtu.be/GUYkiPs7uTc?si=Ap8_3uYS8T-8_Ebn
oh thanks
(whats thT code for)
gentle cragBOT
oh thanks
(whats thT code for)
voyage.2 has given 1 Gen Rep to chef_h.
supple ether
oh thanks
(whats thT code for)
In the desription he goes over how to use it. Rental team
Regional starts in 5 minutes 
mighty stump
Regional starts in 5 minutes <:AquaThumbsUp:606982228425310209>
We have another? Oh Dortmund
MDB is gonna be there
mighty stump
MDB not MLBD
supple ether
Who tf is MDB
mighty stump
Michael Der Beste
supple ether
supple ether
supple ether
Damn son
I needa see those replays (from this regional)
Dayum
He do have a winning name.too
His name is literally best
Im rooting for him now I guess
molten oasis
Any thoughts on mons to use?
You should prob add 1 special attacker
Lando I or Fluttermane probably
timber falcon
ill go flutter then
molten oasis
Where you gonna put it?
timber falcon
rilla gotta go
timber falcon
What is the purpose of moon?
tailwind and kingambit/flutter disposal
molten oasis
There’s, so many better ways to get rid of kingambit
timber falcon
Cuz you drop that or lando t
lando t is one of the most important'
molten oasis
Why
timber falcon
scarf howl
molten oasis
If you had a shifu your gambit problems are solved
timber falcon
If you had a shifu your gambit problems are solved
i feel like incin isnt needed all that much on the team tbh
so i might swap incin for shifu
cause i feel like tailwind is needed
molten oasis
Not really
timber falcon
rly?
molten oasis
You have speed booster fire, rillaboom with grassy glide, and scarf lando
molten oasis
Drop moon, add flutter
timber falcon
ok
molten oasis
but then theres tr problem
Play better, unless you want to keep incin or add your own gambit
timber falcon
yeah i was thinking of it
molten oasis
And I’m referring to single strike shifu not rapid strike
timber falcon
ik
molten oasis
K
I don’t think moon is very great rn. Not that it’s bad it can work, just don’t think it’s all that great
If you really want tw i think torn and Suicune make more sense
timber falcon
yeah
molten oasis
So moon isn’t getting the fast tw up
timber falcon
oh yeah
molten oasis
I don’t think it works here
You could maybe do ddance but, you’d like a special attacker here
And if anything goes it’s moon
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/3aaf9b3397bef63b this is what i got rn
i need one more, but not sure if incin is the way due to type overlap
timber falcon
yeah
molten oasis
Gambit is decent here, could see ting Lu also working here
timber falcon
wond wood hammer rilla be enough?
timber falcon
First of all cuz you don’t have a fwg core atm
fwg?
molten oasis
How do you handle lando i then
timber falcon
By the way, do you have any opinions on the balance team?
molten oasis
As a whole?
timber falcon
How do you handle lando i then
Oger and dark rush?
https://pokepast.es/7c76ae64180e1b8f this balance team
It feels inconsistent
molten oasis
Why do you feel it’s inconsistent
molten oasis
Oger and dark rush?
Ogerpon needs to hit 169 speed, then max hp and rest in attack
timber falcon
Oki doki
timber falcon
Why do you feel it’s inconsistent
Lando I giving that team a hell of a bad time
molten oasis
looks that way
Well, first of all, that ogerpon spread on that team, apply what I just said there
The only time you run 252/252 on ogerpon is Hearthflame imo
timber falcon
Ok
molten oasis
Um, I mean
timber falcon
I’ll change the evs
molten oasis
I don’t get the amoonguss tbh
timber falcon
I don’t get the amoonguss tbh
I just wanted a healing method
molten oasis
You have grassy terrain
And how often does amoonguss really click pollen puff here?
timber falcon
Very often
molten oasis
You’re not sporing things?
timber falcon
But I feel like floral healing confee might be better (2/3 healing in grass terrain)
timber falcon
You’re not sporing things?
Only when I can
molten oasis
Then what are you redirecting
timber falcon
Most people are ready for spore these days
molten oasis
It’s still clickable
timber falcon
I know but not as good
timber falcon
Then what are you redirecting
Not much
molten oasis
Also if you want to do direct healing, don’t run this kind of team
Comfey seems to work on screens, that’s it
Bloodmoon would work better in place of amoonguss
You don’t need the healing
timber falcon
Oki doki
molten oasis
If that’s the entire point of the shroom
timber falcon
Yeah it was there for healing mostly
molten oasis
Also horn leech and follow me on pon over swords dance and wood hammer imo
timber falcon
Rly? Pon is my sweeper
molten oasis
Pon does enough as it is and you have Bloodmoon now
timber falcon
Oh yeah tru
https://pokepast.es/bf4a631d5ee61c33 also finished evs and moves for howl team
molten oasis
Life orb Tera grass fluttermane?
timber falcon
im bad at using specs
molten oasis
I was gonna say booster spA but, you can’t haha
Well, uhhhhh
Shifu should just be 252/252 adamant
There’s no point in bulk with sash
timber falcon
ok
molten oasis
Ogerpon-Wellspring) (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 68 Atk / 188 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Ivy Cudgel
- Horn Leech
- Follow Me
- Spiky Shield
Use those evs for pon
timber falcon
will do
molten oasis
Idk if life orb is the item to do on a calm mind fluttermane
Also, how are you using specs flutter?
Like do you lead it? Do you save it for endgame?
timber falcon
lead
molten oasis
What are you clicking? And into what?
timber falcon
dazzing tera fairy 80% of the time
molten oasis
So you’re blowing your Tera early
timber falcon
yeah...........
molten oasis
Don’t do that every time
timber falcon
ok
molten oasis
That just sounds like a general piloting issue more than a issue with the Mon itself
I have issues with that too, I Tera early game not thinking ahead
timber falcon
btw how would chien pao be on the howl team? in replace for dark ursh?
timber falcon
sword of ruin and then just deal tons of damage with sacred , icicicle, sucker punch and protect
along with partner
molten oasis
I like single strike more here bcuz of your farigiraf mu
timber falcon
oh yeah the giraffe
timber falcon
unless tera fairy
molten oasis
Unless it Tera’s, but that’s better for you as Bloodmoon isn’t Tera normal blood mooning you
If shifu feels bad pao can be there instead
timber falcon
ok, ima test team out rq
molten oasis
And just hold on
Do specs flutter, just don’t Tera early and you don’t have to lead it everytime
It’s really hard to remove if it’s in the back sometimes
timber falcon
aight ok
molten oasis
Gl, I’m going to continue playing persona
tough idol
Rios P2 vs Pardini on Stream
molten oasis
Wait what? There’s a regional today?
tough idol
Dortmund Regional
molten oasis
Ah, ok
tough idol
EU events fly under the radar lol
molten oasis
Clearly, cuz i had no idea lmao
tough idol
I'm still waiting for EUIC tickets
timber falcon
lmao the game im in is hilarious
parting shot spam vs howl spam
like turn 20 rm#
dark ursh worked out great here
molten oasis
like turn 20 rm#
timber falcon
<:emoji_9:1204544825156698122>
also thanks a bunch for the help on teams 🙏
gentle cragBOT
also thanks a bunch for the help on teams 🙏
otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago
molten oasis
Np, glad to help
tough idol
That was a good Game 1
slow raft
I'm still waiting for EUIC tickets
Is this London?
tough idol
Is this London?
Yes this will be London
slow raft
I'm considering trying at London, first time though
tough idol
Will be my 2nd event, they are long days, but really fun
slow raft
I Live in London but do you recommend getting a hotel near the venue?
tough idol
Probably better, unless you can travel on the day for about 8am
slow raft
Definitely possible, if the trains run
tough idol
I'll be getting hotel as close as I can lol
slow raft
Irony, years ago I lived 10 mins away from it
slow raft
Do you know when the tickets usually open up?
slow raft
Have there been any DQ's yet? Or Pokemon flagged up that wasn't allowed?
vital bloom
How does Hattrene learn Mystical Fire and Draining Kiss? I hear those are two good moves, but mine didn't learn them.
tough idol
Have there been any DQ's yet? Or Pokemon flagged up that wasn't allowed?
Not seen any yet
tough idol
How does Hattrene learn Mystical Fire and Draining Kiss? I hear those are two go...
Draining Kiss no, Mystical Fire is an egg move
Oh wait Draining Kiss is a TM
slow raft
Is Hisuian Arcanine actually a good pokemon to have on your team?
tough idol
You'll get differing opinions, but it has its uses
vital bloom
Draining Kiss no, Mystical Fire is an egg move
Could i do the mirror herb thing with Mystical Fire?
molten oasis
Is Hisuian Arcanine actually a good pokemon to have on your team?
Offensive fire type intimidate
If you don’t want incin
slow raft
Offensive fire type intimidate
Incin might be one I'd choose over Arcanine I guess
molten oasis
Incin might be one I'd choose over Arcanine I guess
Incin isn’t offensive, it’s supportive
So if you want support you do incin, if you want offense you do harc
slow raft
Ahh okay I get it now
tough idol
Could i do the mirror herb thing with Mystical Fire?
Yh mirror herb, picnic with a Mon that has Mystical
vital bloom
Kk, ty
polar canyon
I hope misery befalls onto dozogiri players
I did not lose to any today
In fact I beat them every time today
But it's so incredibly boring
I wish it wasn't so dislikeable because I actually think the design is nice
Giant stupid chef fish
molten oasis
I hope misery befalls onto dozogiri players
It’s not a fun mu
molten oasis
Fair point
nocturne holly
Anyone have a bulky lando I spread?
bold geode
Anyone watching Dortmund rn?
bold geode
Yeah lmao
bold geode
Oh Alex Gomez on
Wonder what he's running now
Oh that ain't the same guy LMFAO
Oh I'm a fucking idiot, that was Antonio
mighty stump
Urshifus
bold geode
True lmao
Tofu somebody helped me realize something with Ting Lu
I didn't account for Rillaboom at all
Ooh Bolt ain't bad for this Kon Mo O here
mighty stump
Lando-I is the main thing here
Once Lando goes away, Kommo-o can win out
I feel that's a really unimpactful Draco, Amoonguss can just sustain out
mighty stump
He can lose Incin here lol
bold geode
Yeah Incin is so open to death
Alex is not in a horrible position, hasn't even revealed his last mon
mighty stump
I assume Richard has expected this endgame thats why he Draco'd but it stil doesn't feel god
bold geode
If it's Ting Lu, then that's real problematic
mighty stump
Yeah, Ting can close things out
bold geode
Yeah it's over
cold ivy
0000 0002 HL7Y N1
https://youtu.be/GUYkiPs7uTc?si=Ap8_3uYS8T-8_Ebn
bruhh i dont have nintendo online so i cant use it 😔
mighty stump
He can't even Draco safely
cold ivy
anyone here got a good double battle team for battle tower? (pokemon sword)
mighty stump
Just recreate the team yourself
cold ivy
alr
mighty stump
You won't be able to rent any teams if you don't have online
cold ivy
true
mighty stump
So it's kinda moot to ask anyone for a team
bold geode
Oh man
Even killing Kon Mo O just didn't do anything
mighty stump
You can do Battle Tower with anything
cold ivy
ok
mighty stump
Alex bringing Kommo-o probably expecting that Anti-Amoonguss lead Richard prepped
Pretty huge
bold geode
God Richard why are you still lmao
mighty stump
Richard should have FF'd to preserve potential damage roll information
bold geode
DAYUM THAT CRIT
karmic temple
We Stan Alex
mighty stump
Kommo-o is unboosted though
So like
No point
Ogerpon should have gone for another Ivy Cudgel there
I always try to avoid Protects on your second-to-last turn on TR
bold geode
Alex just played pretty well
karmic temple
Alex is cooking Richard
bold geode
What out is Richard even playing rn?
bold geode
The game was lost a while ago
mighty stump
Respectable attempt, but he just lost to good fundamentals
karmic temple
Alex had a lot of good switch ins
mighty stump
Solid game to watch
bold geode
Yeah
I also don't know how much Urshifu really brought
mighty stump
I mean, how much did Raging Bolt bring
grizzled bronze
is it 4-0 two times 😭
bold geode
Yeah
But didn't he also have Flutter?
mighty stump
I feel you neede to run Flutter Mane to force Kommo-o or something to Tera
bold geode
Yeah throw Flutter out, make Alex have to do something in order to swing the game in your favor maybe a bit
mighty stump
See, even with overwhelming numbers advantage, Alex is still playing properly
This is a very good habit to keep
That a lot of players just ignore
"Oh but I win anyways" not with that fucking attitude
Always irks me to watch
bold geode
Yeah
Until you lose
gentle zenith
dunno if this fits here but is there a better way to get ev decreasing berries?
bold geode
Auction house
grizzled bronze
auctions
bold geode
Day resets
mighty stump
Best try to get your hands on Fresh Start Mochis
bold geode
Best try to get your hands on Fresh Start Mochis
Are those easier to get than the berries?
gentle zenith
bold geode
Well yeah you got the Fresh Start mochi from Ogre Oustin
Or you can day reset at auction house for berries
Either or
mighty stump
Are those easier to get than the berries?
Id say so
Lol
and more efficient
1 mochi to do your stats
bold geode
True
mighty stump
If you're not careless with your EVing
gentle zenith
I see..
grizzled bronze
i mean ev reducing berries is still nice to have for minor tweaks
bold geode
But yeah all those safe plays and reads
God Alex playing there made me so happy
I LOVE BALANCE
grizzled bronze
fr balance is so good
gentle zenith
also anyone think bout quick claw quick draw slowbro?
grizzled bronze
dont
gentle zenith
just a fun idea dunno
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
gentle zenith
I just got a totally horrible idea.
karmic temple
Id say so
I feel like fresh start mochis are only easy to get when you do hard mode
Easy/normal had poo rates
mighty stump
Why Quick Claw Quick Draw?
Overall increases your chance of moving first in the priority bracket
gentle zenith
and its funny
bold geode
Overall increases your chance of moving first in the priority bracket
Oh lmao
But it doesn't add priority right?
bold geode
Ok
Imagine it did
Like YAY I got the proc and they swapped in Farigiraf that sucks
gentle zenith
ya never know
mighty stump
Well, for fun and competitive ideas sometimes just don't mix
Cause most players that regularly discuss opt for more consistent strategems
Since the focus is on winning really
karmic temple
Amuk and Smeargle would like to say something 🤭
gentle zenith
o.o
karmic temple
(They aren’t viable)
gentle zenith
opinions on primarina?
mighty stump
Alright
bold geode
Amuk and Smeargle would like to say something 🤭
They can say it 6 ft in the Earth
gentle zenith
I sometimes run it with assault vest tbh
timber falcon
it's like 44% with claw and draw
isnt it 50%?
grizzled bronze
no
grizzled bronze
1 - (0.7*0.8) = 0.44
bold geode
Physical Ursaluna seeing stream again
mighty stump
Did you know 4 Pokemon can redirect Spores away
Ogerpon, Ogerpon, Ogerpon and Ogerpon
bold geode
Bruh
mighty stump
Why would you do that
karmic temple
Loll
bold geode
LMFAO
bold geode
That turn was a FAT choke
mighty stump
Bro Water Absorb heals
karmic temple
Free reposition for guilio
bold geode
Damn
bold geode
Yeah
But it's Amoongus
bold geode
Then again, Amoongus used to OHKO Urshifu with Leaf Storm so
bold geode
Think so?
bold geode
My stream is behind lmao
bold geode
Oh Michael has the Sash Torn
mighty stump
No way +1 Gholdengo doesn't outspeed +2 Ursaluna lol
bold geode
No way Amoongus was living
bold geode
Lmao
Having Fairy shroom for Darkshifu ain't help at all lmao
slow raft
They were talking about how Penguin King could be used, anyone got any ideas what sort of team that would fit in?
bold geode
cough cough Tofu knows for sure cough cough
mighty stump
Empoleon has probably been power crept out but it works on a balance-esque team.
slow raft
I'm trying to get my team locked in for London
mighty stump
The team doesn't translate from Reg E to Reg F due to the massive meta shift
next stump
isn’t london 2 months from now
mighty stump
Still functional, not something i'd lock in for a regional.
slow raft
8 weeks
mighty stump
So 2 months
slow raft
Well yeah
next stump
don’t lock in a team now for the event, the teams that people use will be pretty different
you’ll get prep in against nonexistent teams
next stump
dude I have a local today and I actually can’t win a game on ladder for the life of me
no idea what team to use nowadays lol
mighty stump
Ladder sucsk
next stump
fuck raging bolt dude
next stump
that pokémon has been ruining my life
mighty stump
Damn
That bad
Blursaluna should be dealing with Bolt fine though
Questionable slot targeting
The sac doesn't seem good
Michael going for ? plays
timber falcon
fuck raging bolt dude
Lmao
timber falcon
that pokémon has been ruining my life
relatable tbh that "thing" has swept me so many times. why did they have to give the incredibly tanky raging bolt more spatck than flutter, THEN allow it a STAB priority move.....
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
timber falcon
i mean look at that thing, only thing its lacking is what it doesnt even need
karmic temple
Twitter
whole ibex
lol
mighty stump
On god, nearly done with this blog post
18000 characters
That is a disgusting turn lol
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
mighty stump
Wake up kids, https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofutable7
karmic temple
Babe wake up new tofu post
grizzled bronze
this was a good read ngl
mighty stump
Thanks for reading
lethal zinc
Wake up kids, https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofutable7
Well written.
real prairie
Evening peeps, i miss anything?
mighty stump
Well written.
Im quite happy I can put this out on CNY
lethal zinc
Truly the greatest gift of them all.
real prairie
Wake up kids, https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofutable7
Exactly what i needed tbh, very well done and written
ive been having some decent success with this in ladder (well success for me = 1400) https://pokepast.es/1368e72da0181214
mighty stump
Progress is progress
real prairie
however i may have just discovered a severe weakness to ice types lol
polar canyon
Just realized gouging fire also has snarl
Like I've considered using booster speed support walking wake for snarl breaking swipe combo
Because I thought gouging didn't have it
tough idol
guy in the UK discord has gone 8-1 at Dortmund, only lost to Gomez on stream
tired sage
Wake up kids, https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofutable7
heh-
just dont
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
polar canyon
Nasty plot on sinistcha actually feels pretty nice
Even if it sits there being redirection support and potentially trick room
It's cool to have the option to just switch gears and turn it offensive
So much healing from a spread drain move
kindred cypress
Is it possible for air slash to flinch for 6 turns straight, or is something off?
mighty stump
You got severely unlucky unless youre fighting some serene grace mon
misty helm
so I have a question regarding the usage of paradox Pokemon is inherently fair to battle friends with
tough idol
Why would it not be?
misty helm
do you think paradox Pokemon and sub legendary Pokemon should be restricted
tough idol
No
If you want them you'll find a legal way to get them. Plus both versions of the game have usable mons.
polar canyon
For casual play with noobie friends? Only if they're also using them I'd say
If you are more experienced than them I'd even say let them use it while you don't
misty helm
my friend group is very competitive though we prefer to use Pokemon frequently regarded as weaker Pokemon
polar canyon
Just stick to the same rules as them when fighting them ig
Unless you make the rules
karmic temple
If you’re just playing with your friends you can do whatever rules you want
My friend and I will do themed teams or teams with mons under x bst
polar canyon
I have to do like 2v6 with any friends who play pokemon because they use their story mode teams and no one is into comp play
misty helm
yeah I'm trying to see from you guys if you think paradox mons are unfair and dishonorable
polar canyon
Not rlly unless you cleary have much stronger mons than your opponent
Considering same skill level
Not all paradoxes are inherently better than regular mons
misty helm
yeah we are all around the same skill level
polar canyon
Rillaboom and incineroar are just starters but are very prevalent and powerful
So it's not really about just having or not having paradoxes
Like look at slither wing
That guy is pretty bad
misty helm
so you'd argue that using sub legendary and paradox Pokemon would be considered more fair than one would think
polar canyon
Yeah
karmic temple
It’s all fair around here
polar canyon
No one is gonna shame you for using a pseudo legend if you bring out a goodra or something
Chienite would be something not everyone enjoys
karmic temple
Unfair in Pokémon doesn’t really exist since you can set all the mons to level 50
karmic temple
Won’t comment on that since I don’t do singles besides ranbats and play through lmao
misty helm
yeah I suppose my one friend uses almost all ubers and ou tier Pokemon mostly non legends and non paradox Pokemon
polar canyon
If you're talking singles there's a lot of mons that are easily unfair without being legendaries
I don't really play singles but it was pretty funny to see palafin get banned from ou in a week
I barely play singles either other than randoms but I like watching the funny youtubers do stuffs
karmic temple
Ah okay well if you’re going off of smogon rankings and games then yes some would be more unfair
polar canyon
Agency rise up
misty helm
I don't really play singles but it was pretty funny to see palafin get banned fr...
I thought it was 1 day
polar canyon
So I don't play singles but I at least know what's going on
I think they banned gliscor?
misty helm
yeah I think they unbanned it
polar canyon
That's the latest big thing I can remember
misty helm
I don't understand how just setting hazards gives a particular Pokemon unfair advantages
polar canyon
Hazards are huge in singles
At least average skill singles
Because there's a ton of switching
In doubles they kinda suck because you'll usually get them to do damage like 4 times at most
And you spend a whole turn setting them up
Double battles are more compact, they usually take less turns to end because everything happens very fast
tired sage
-?
real prairie
My friend and I will do themed teams or teams with mons under x bst
I'm currently doing a tourney in this server that's under 500 BST
Nothing stops you playing the way you want
misty helm
should I consider running a special dragapult set over a physical one
kindred cypress
should I consider running a special dragapult set over a physical one
There is no benefit, dragapult is a natural physical
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
tired sage
There is no benefit, dragapult is a natural physical
mmm-
i can see a special set though…
it’s only a 20 point difference
kindred cypress
The main set involves ddance or choice band, plus with ghost Tera will 1 hit mane, special dpult wouldn’t
Because mane is abysmal in def, but not sp def
tired sage
true true
kindred cypress
Plus with dragon dart and phantom force, he goes nuts
tired sage
it’s usually scarf/band darts phantom force
i’ve seen…
power herb phantom force though
real prairie
best steel type attack for Archaludon
?
im weighing up heavy slam, hard press and flash cannon
real prairie
heavy slam not more viable with arch being silly heavy
nevermind its not as heavy as i thought
cannon it is
tired sage
nevermind its not as heavy as i thought
i was gonna say
real prairie
i made an incorrect assumption a bridge would be heavier than a robot sumo
rustic mountain
I’m joking Tree
real prairie
Thoughts on this as a potential restricted format rain team? https://pokepast.es/14c407623b93f6e9
tired sage
absorb bulb water spout
karmic temple
I’d swap water bulb for choice specs