competitive_discussion

[supple ether]

I couldve sworn it was 140BP

[nocturne holly]

no

it gets the ohkoes it needs

[supple ether]

160BP I didnt even realize

[nocturne holly]

and mold breaker FO is pretty pog

[supple ether]

Nutty

Tell your teach he gotta be teaching home ec cause he's cooking fr

[nocturne holly]

Frr lmaoo

he’s running covert cloak wake too

And white herb great tusk

[next stump]

GC points have been awarded in case anyone has been waiting

[kindred cypress]

Was there an event?

[next stump]

global challenge 1

[nocturne holly]

HOW CLOSE ARE YOU DILLOOONN

[next stump]

411/500

[nocturne holly]

W

[bold geode]

Now win a regional for me bro

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-king-julien-how-long-is-this-going-to-take-how-long-this-is-gonna-take-this-is-slow-gif-22961435

[mighty stump]

I take all credit for any and all Tinkaton users

[nocturne holly]

Aight
predict what’s gonna be meta in the next 3.4 years

[mighty stump]

The funny part of that statement

Is not knowing that’s what ive been doing since day 1

Lmao

[bold geode]

I take credit for not a fucking thing

Actually
I'm taking Gouging Fire credit fuck you all

[nocturne holly]

predict what’s gonna be good in 13 years bet you won’t

[plucky garnet]

Ogerpon

[kindred cypress]

Stan

[mighty stump]

?????????

[bold geode]

Nah lmao
The only thing I can even take credit for is Tera Dragon Harc, which like
Wasn't even a meta thing so like lol

[queen monolith]

What’s a good layout for a team with single strike urshifu on it?

[mighty stump]

Like

A lot of teams

Tailwind HO, Farigiraf teams, any vague balance team

[brazen bough]

how is sneasler

mid? or underused

[rustic mountain]

mid

u could make it ight tho w/ a good supporting team, usually its on psyspam indeedee nd now crown teams

[queen monolith]

Idk either of these

[mighty stump]

The Japanese really like Sneasler.

[brazen bough]

its an awesome pokemon

[mighty stump]

I recommend just looking through the pins as there is a team bank there

[brazen bough]

i see it popping up on my twt

a bunch

[rustic mountain]

still?

[mighty stump]

Yea

[rustic mountain]

[mighty stump]

I mean, the Japanese will make anything work

[rustic mountain]

tru

def some of the most creative teambuilding ive seen is usually from japan

[brazen bough]

i saw a decent bit of power herb archs

[mighty stump]

I got a team featured on a Japanese hatenablog for Reg E

So I can kinda say I got it

[rustic mountain]

oh nice im familiar w/ that blog

thats cool

[mighty stump]

Im currently writing up a condensed Reg F prep doc

[queen monolith]

Idk which think to select. Sorry

[brazen bough]

wait is there like a huge repo of teams on hatena

[mighty stump]

Any that looks fun

[rustic mountain]

that shit prolly an essay

[brazen bough]

liberty note and the repos isnt updating 😭

[mighty stump]

Bro my last write up was like

[rustic mountain]

reg f is insane

[brazen bough]

real

[mighty stump]

20k+ chars

[queen monolith]

I can’t find the things that show team comps

[mighty stump]

2k words i think over

[rustic mountain]

the meta developments week to week has been nothing like ive seen b4, granted i started comp in swsh

[mighty stump]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axlwmzPA49rYkqXh7zHvAtSP-TKbM0ijGYBPRflLSWw/edit#gid=1837599752

[brazen bough]

I recommend joining the server for more teams this is unupdated

[mighty stump]

??

I mean they have up to Portland

Its still pretty relevant

Plus its not about that

[brazen bough]

yea but there are a ton of teams in the serv

o understandable

[queen monolith]

I accept the invite but the server doesn’t pop up

It showed up my discord was just slow

Is an adamant nature with hyper trained attack good on urshifu?

[mighty stump]

That's the standard.

[queen monolith]

The game wants me to have a second rapid strike urshifu

I want single strike

[mighty stump]

If you're completely new I recommend visiting the pins for all the new resources that can be helpful for new players.

[queen monolith]

I have a team kinda made for comp

[mighty stump]

There is likely a lot of missing bits and bobs

[queen monolith]

Tornadus, hisuian arcanine, iron hands, fake pokeball, gholdengo, and rapid strike urshifu

Prankster and covert cloak on tornadus. Mystic water on urshifu, leftovers on gholdengo, regenerator on fake pokeball, assault vest on iron hands, and intimidate choice band arcanine.

[mighty stump]

That tells me nothing about the EVs or movesets

And what is "Fake Pokeball"

[queen monolith]

Amoongus or however you spell his name

I can never remember so I call him fake pokeball

[mighty stump]

Again

I just recommend visiting the new-player resources.

For team displays/team sharing, make use of Pokepaste and Showdown

-comp links

[gentle crag]

Competitive Links

Below are some helpful websites for competitive Pokémon battling.

Damage Calculator

Click here for Pokémon Showdown's damage calculator -- useful for figuring out EV spreads.

Showdown Team Builder

Click here for Pokémon Showdown's team builder tool -- useful for easily composing and viewing teams and movesets.

PokePaste

Click here to share your team composition and moveset with clean formatting.

Pikalytics

Click here for a powerful statistics-based website to imporve your VGC knowledge with its own Teambuilder.

Marriland Team Builder

Click here for this online tool that shows defensive and offensive type coverage of your teams.

Help Command: -comp help

[queen monolith]

I don’t get how pokepaste works

But I did just get an idea for my urshifu

Steel Tera with a metal coat and iron head.

[mighty stump]

Not really the most recommended set

Pokepaste is just sharing the link to your team so people can look at it easier.

Scratch that, just in case theres a misunderstanding: That's a bad set

Again, it will be difficult for me to explain standard sets/plays and why they work/they wont without a foundational understanding

[queen monolith]

Would counter any fairy weakness

[mighty stump]

Darkshifu really wants Sash/Choice Scarf mainly for its items, and the only teras you ever really consider are Dark/Poison/Stellar. Stellar is an extremely niche case with Scarf as well

With an overlap in Fighting weakness, meaning you're free to explode against opposing Urshifu.

[queen monolith]

So would close combat, iron head, wicked blow, and detect be a good moveset for him?

[mighty stump]

You cannot view things as a 1v1 "counter"

[queen monolith]

Very valid point

[mighty stump]

Because that's not how the game plays out, barring a few cases.

You're sacrificing Sucker Punch.

Which is an important move as well.

[queen monolith]

Swap iron head for sucker punch?

[mighty stump]

Sucker > Iron Head

[queen monolith]

Then it’s close combat, detect, sucker punch, and wicked blow

Would I wanna go dark or stellar Tera then?

[mighty stump]

Dark if its Sashed. Stellar is a niche case.

[queen monolith]

This is hurting my head. I’m not used to this

[lethal zinc]

Just read through this and it was a legitimately interesting read for any of you comp heads,

[queen monolith]

I’m thinking choice scarf.

[lethal zinc]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/pokemons-grand-accessibility-failure-a-history-of-external-device-usage-in-competitive-pokemon.3736100/

[mighty stump]

If it's Scarfed then it's Dark/Poison

Cause you acn run Poison Jab if you REALLY want that Fairy Coverage.

Since Booster Spe Flutter is common

[queen monolith]

That’s a fair point. But what would I sack for it?

Close combat?

[mighty stump]

Detect.

[queen monolith]

I didn’t think of that. Slipped my mind that choice scarf detect would end me

If you hadn’t pointed that out I’d probably be trying to detect then attack with choice scarf

[supple ether]

yup

You didnt hear it from me, but if showdown didnt exist vgc would be some.combination of unpopular and uninteresting

I blame it on the jrpg roots of the franchise

Having a giga rare 1/10000 pokemon is cool in a single player game. Less cool in a competitive online environment

[mighty stump]

"b but but but they're cheating11!11!! nad don't put in any efort 1!!1!"

[supple ether]

It's also insane to me that tpc not only doesnt offer a pre-tournament hackcheck (shoutout the dude who got dq'd for a 10 year old cresselia), but that they openly allow obviously hacked pokemon on their official: online ladder, online trading service, and on pokemon HOME GTS

Like

[mighty stump]

Either make it more consistent, make it more robust as a process, or make it more accessible

Pick one struggle

[queen monolith]

Can farigiraf learn substitute?

[mighty stump]

Probably, but it's not a good move for Farigiraf.

[queen monolith]

Substitute, nasty plot, baton pass

[mighty stump]

I mean, you're welcome to try

[supple ether]

If using an online teambuilder (like pikalytics or showdown) it'll tell you and ler you sort all the moves

[mighty stump]

But in execution, it's going to be extremely inconsistent.

[supple ether]

Iron defense shed tail orthworm

[mighty stump]

Speaking of defenses

Archaludon has almost an Annihilape-esque effect

That people just don't want to hit it

Lmao

[supple ether]

Been having success with that arch build you showed yesterday?

[mighty stump]

rank 111 last I check on SD

[supple ether]

[mighty stump]

I had 80% GXE on a different alt on top 500 and peaked 1690 in the GC before I stopped playing

[supple ether]

Daaaaaamn

[cyan smelt]

Does toxic damage boost rage fist?

[supple ether]

Wtf lmao nice

[mighty stump]

No

[cyan smelt]

Good

[supple ether]

Speaking of ape tho I got swept by tera fire screens bulkup annihilape. Swept me clean

[queen monolith]

Twin beam, nasty plot, baton pass, one other move with a lunala on the team to baton pass into?

[supple ether]

Twin beam?

[cyan smelt]

They usually try to use bulk up so I just send in clodsire and haze their boosts away then poison it

[mighty stump]

Lunala is restricted.

[mighty stump]

Farigiraf's signature

[queen monolith]

Dang.

[boreal mauve]

Error

The Move name you entered doesn't exist please try again

[supple ether]

Merde

[dapper crag]

Move: Twin Beam

Hits twice. If the first hit breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the second hit.

Type

Psychic

Category

Special

Power

40

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[queen monolith]

What about that but into a hydrapple?

[supple ether]

/dt

Hydrapple probably not. Too slow meaning youd need to setup and maintain TR ontop of baton passing

Chi-yu heat wave maybe tho on scarf

[mighty stump]

I just recommend trying out a functional established team to understand what makes something works

[queen monolith]

What about a sinistcha with scald and water Tera?

[mighty stump]

Like you can have all these ideas but execution-wise few actually work

[queen monolith]

I can’t tell what form my poltchaigeist is even

[mighty stump]

The form isn't competitively relevant.

[queen monolith]

To evolve it yes

Changes what item I need

[mighty stump]

That's

Not competitive related.

[queen monolith]

If I wanna use sinistchai I need it evolved

[supple ether]

The game will let you know based off the item when you go to evolve it. If its not one, itll be the other

[queen monolith]

Fair

[supple ether]

Tofu (or anyone) any advice for OTS or bo3 formats? Im tryna branch out from bo1 ladder sets

Is it as different as it is in my head

[mighty stump]

Understand your gameplan and win cons, have an idea of what the opponent is what you want to do, and through sets, make sure to note down what's working for them and you

Also make sure to read the OTS properly

If you have a better understanding of your matchups, with full information, you shuold be able to inform what plays are appropriate midgrounds/safe

as you get higher and higher you just have to start mkaing reads since between two skiled players theres no real "safe play" sometimes

But that's just my approach as a ladder hero lol

Cause with matchup knowledge you can infer what brings, gleam information such as damage rolls/ranges, and what their potential adjustments are

[supple ether]

Makes sense. Believe it or not I now feel like I understand team building better building for bo1 leads me into a lot of traps but hearing that making me readjust my approach

Tanka

[mighty stump]

Its also no problem to build for bo1 to play in bo1

and sometimes those gimmicky cheese stuff also works in bo3 if you can pull it off consistently

[supple ether]

First bo3 game went well. A lot more opponent interaction which is nice

Now to make a functional team

[mighty stump]

Comfort is important

Don't just slap hard meta just because it's good

Especially in bo3 settings, having something you know ins and outs of is far more imprtant

[supple ether]

Ive always been more of a rogue-tier kinda guy

Fair point tho. I used a flutter that match and felt so uncertain about it

Ended up losing it for 40% into incin

[civic isle]

Anybody wanna do a battle?

[queen monolith]

I just ran into a dude who took truant off a slaking and gave him stellar type

Eq, rock slide, and drain punch slaking

And trailblaze. Damn

[queen monolith]

I’d be down for one for fun

[civic isle]

Okay, cool. Dm or vc for communication?

[queen monolith]

Either works

[civic isle]

Let's go to vc, easier communication.

[queen monolith]

All good.

[civic isle]

So which vc?

[queen monolith]

There’s vc’s in this server?

[civic isle]

Yes

[queen monolith]

Any work for me. Just let me know which one

[civic isle]

Let's do the Union Circle one, it's closest to pokemon battle.

[queen monolith]

K

@mighty stump is skill swap medicham with slaking a viable strat?

[mighty stump]

Viable, sure. Good? meh

[bold geode]

Wanna VC?

[supple ether]

am I crazy or is iron moth kinda nice with it?

[mighty stump]

Sure

[supple ether]

With exceptions to chi-yu and GF it has positive matchups into most everything. Give it enough defense investment to live surging strikes/cudgel (in sun) and it naturally outspeeds most the format

Ohkos in return with specs

[mighty stump]

Give it a shot

[supple ether]

Pog we get to keep using thundurus

30minutes in and we got 2 members down
|| ||

[dapper crag]

Iron Moth's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Facade, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Giga Impact, Lunge, Pounce, Take Down, U-turn

Special Moves

Acid Spray, Air Slash, Bug Buzz, Charge Beam, Dazzling Gleam, Discharge, Ember, Energy Ball, Fiery Dance, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Flash Cannon, Gust, Heat Wave, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Meteor Beam, Overheat, Psychic, Sludge Wave, Solar Beam, Struggle Bug, Swift, Tera Blast, Venoshock

Status Moves

Agility, Confuse Ray, Electric Terrain, Endure, Helping Hand, Light Screen, Metal Sound, Morning Sun, Protect, Rest, Screech, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Toxic, Toxic Spikes, Whirlwind

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Iron Moth.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[strange fjord]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2053616956-egrqynujq3y9v780jwoifdwem3qr1k5pw
Tera Fairy Lightning Rod user walls out any Raging Bolt that doesn't have Snarl or Tera Blast. 🥳

[mighty stump]

Overheat/Tera Blast Poison/Energy Ball/Dazzling Gleam

252 SpA Choice Specs Tera-Poison Iron Moth Tera Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 216-256 (122.7 - 145.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
lmaoo

Coverage overrated frfr

[supple ether]

Eball ye. Considering flamethrower over overheat -- ohkos most everything anyway. Tera blast smart, will yoink

[mighty stump]

I mean

[supple ether]

Gleam makes sense, rhough debating on bug buzz merits

[mighty stump]

Overheat is just gonna be a nuke button for neutrals

252 SpA Choice Specs Tera-Poison Iron Moth Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Farigiraf: 160-190 (70.4 - 83.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Tera-Poison Iron Moth Overheat vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Farigiraf: 232-274 (102.2 - 120.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Its a very marked difference

Ignoring the Tera Poison bit

With Tera Blast im just treating it like a Lando

[supple ether]

Hmm true

Ive been running most my calcs in sun, tho maybe I should stop that

[mighty stump]

Iron Moth + Darkshifu probably makes a lot of sense

Tera Fairy gets punished by Poison Moth

[mighty stump]

I mean

252 SpA Choice Specs Tera-Poison Iron Moth Overheat vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Chi-Yu in Sun: 113-133 (86.2 - 101.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

Lol

252 SpA Choice Specs Tera-Poison Iron Moth Flamethrower vs. 212 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane in Sun: 142-168 (90.4 - 107%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Tera-Poison Iron Moth Overheat vs. 212 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane in Sun: 204-240 (129.9 - 152.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

You can run Heat Wave and Overheat if you want to opt for something like that as well

Or Flamethrower + Overheat

If you really don't care about Spread

[supple ether]

The 10% accuracy deficit makes me nervous. i usually run 95-100% accurate moves

Especially since it'll be responsible for a decent chunk of offensive pressure

[mighty stump]

I mean its up to you

[supple ether]

no harm in testing both sets. Will try overheat first and see how many games I lose because of it could end up being a positive differential

[mighty stump]

Think of it this way

You never miss, but you miss out on KOs

You might miss, but you always KO

[supple ether]

True

Back to the showdown gulag
(Ty for help so far)

[mighty stump]

No worries

Iron Moth sounds like a good content team

[knotty mirage]

Does anyone know what best defensive terra for raging bolt ?

[mighty stump]

Fairy/Grass/Water

Some like Bug

Imo Fairy is the best one atm.

[queen monolith]

@agile spindle I can’t re join the vc. There’s a 4th person

[supple ether]

[queen monolith]

What’s up chef

[supple ether]

After an hour of running calcs our team has gone from 2 members to 2 members

[queen monolith]

Dang

[supple ether]

Whats up wit you?

[queen monolith]

Not much. Trying to decide on a good Tera for hisuian goodra

[supple ether]

Please use pokepast.es

[zealous citrus]

My bad. I will check that out

[queen monolith]

I’m stuck between water or ground Tera for the goodra

[supple ether]

Just copy+paste that directly into it. Your teambuulder will also do it for you

[queen monolith]

Probably ground for electric immunity

[supple ether]

Poison?

[queen monolith]

I have sap sipper and wanna try to taunt them into a grass move

[supple ether]

[queen monolith]

It kinda worked with farigiraf. A guy tried to leech seed him

[zealous citrus]

https://pokepast.es/8406cfd8028de05a

[supple ether]

Water maybe since waterpon and wurshifu

[zealous citrus]

Please review and let me know any thoughts!

[queen monolith]

But what about mirraidon?

Or is he banned from comp?

[knotty mirage]

If you mean in games ladder yeah it's not allowed in there

[queen monolith]

Valid point then.

I’m proud of my ceruledge though.

[supple ether]

Psyspam answer? (Psychic terrain+expanding force)

[queen monolith]

Lava plume, bitter blade, shadow sneak, Tera blast grass Tera. Shell bell with flash fire. How’s that sound chef?

Idk how pokepaste works. Much less how to know what iv’s they have

[supple ether]

Shell bell is typically yikes

[queen monolith]

With bitter blade?

[supple ether]

Since even on very powerful hits youre not getting much more than 8-16% hp recovery

[queen monolith]

Valid point.

Life orb maybe?

-comp links

[gentle crag]

Competitive Links

Below are some helpful websites for competitive Pokémon battling.

Damage Calculator

Click here for Pokémon Showdown's damage calculator -- useful for figuring out EV spreads.

Showdown Team Builder

Click here for Pokémon Showdown's team builder tool -- useful for easily composing and viewing teams and movesets.

PokePaste

Click here to share your team composition and moveset with clean formatting.

Pikalytics

Click here for a powerful statistics-based website to imporve your VGC knowledge with its own Teambuilder.

Marriland Team Builder

Click here for this online tool that shows defensive and offensive type coverage of your teams.

Help Command: -comp help

[supple ether]

Ceruledge shadow sneak Ive been a big fan of in the past. Lava plume is xonfusing to me since already have fire move, plume hits adjacent allies, and its a special.attack?

[zealous citrus]

In showdown, it’s either done a number on my team or I’ve lucked out and gotten the user knocked out before it starts

[queen monolith]

Combine with daschbun

Well baked body

[supple ether]

Ohh

[queen monolith]

Free boost

[supple ether]

Hmm cant say I love it, especially since forgoe protect for it. But doesnt seem unuseable

[mighty stump]

What is the topic?

[supple ether]

Lemon cakes and brownknigjts team

[supple ether]

This sefifically

[queen monolith]

So I got a ceruledge. Idk the iv’s.

Idk even know how to tell what iv’s it has

[supple ether]

Hmm. Should definitely have a solid answer into it. Oh, Im being dumb. You can get around it by using rillaboom strategically. If you overwrite the terrain with yours, can be brutal, especially if they're threatened with strong attacks from wake

Though youll need a solid flutter answer too

It kinda shreds your team and is very common

[zealous citrus]

Good call. I wasn’t really thinking about rilla

GF covers flutter either with iron head or heat crash in sun

[queen monolith]

Chef how do I check iv’s that are trained?

[supple ether]

If youve seen the credits, keep talk to the pokecenter nurse until she gives it to you

[zealous citrus]

Hasn’t been a problem yet. With Sun or tailwind up especially

[queen monolith]

I can judge iv’s. But idk what’s gone into what

[supple ether]

EVs you mean?

[queen monolith]

Yes.

Sorry

[whole ibex]

https://youtu.be/veQgZDiCLlg?si=0lk4WwC5mRbh6zbA

[supple ether]

Ye nw

[whole ibex]

Such a good video^

[mighty stump]

What about it

[supple ether]

You cant tell specifically in game, so unless you know exactly what its EVs are. So best to use a fresh start mochi and keep track of your trsining until you reach the cap

[supple ether]

brownknight needs a flutter answer maybe I think thats it at this point

[queen monolith]

That’s. A good point

[supple ether]

imma sleep tho, gn yall

[mighty stump]

Good night.

[supple ether]

If you wanted to take a look

[queen monolith]

Night chef

Tofu do you think that’s a decent plan? Lava plume ceruledge with a dachsbun

[mighty stump]

No

[queen monolith]

Why’s that?

[mighty stump]

Because there's no benefit from Ceruledge itself running Lava Plume. You're doing nothing to the opponent

Most Defense boosting mons also need to be able to account for both Watershifu and Darkshifu, with Dachsbun not being the best option as a Body Press user.

[queen monolith]

Ah

[knotty mirage]

Bug terra raging bolt interesting

[mighty stump]

Its just to dodge the Lando weakness purely without being weak to Poison

[knotty mirage]

I mean it could work i guess raging bolt already ressist flying and fire

At first i'm thinking to use grass but what happen if i go agains't chien pao

[mighty stump]

Chien-Pao is less of a concern for Bolt imo

Its easier to deal with sometimes

[knotty mirage]

Should i just go for water then raging bolt biggest concern is lando i which ussualy have slug bomb making grass and fairy terra not that desirable

[molten oasis]

Water works, just sucks into the mirror

[knotty mirage]

Ah right

Damn i starting to consider for bug terra now

[molten oasis]

You could also run something for lando I

Like, pao is good into it, you could do bundle even

Flutter is also decent into it, with icy wind

Scarfshifu too

Rapid strike

[whole ibex]

Lowkey same

[true niche]

archaludon ban worthy?

[knotty mirage]

Probably never really play 6v6 single

[wheat geode]

Could changing Snorlax's tera type to Flying be more beneficial than keeping it at Normal or Fighting?

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2053734750-4x9rnu6hc9m0gjmf77qoyauu4raewozpw lmfso, boohoo you decided to hit my volcarona

https://pokepast.es/50dbaf2f2bca9289 thoughts on rillaboom replacements, also testing a different ev spread on pon. Found that rillaboom even with screens really misses av or sitrus. I’m willing to try things just not hands, I dont think hands works, and it’s kinda mid

Just, don’t like rilla here

[mighty stump]

Fairy is probably your preferred defensive typing.

[mighty stump]

Flash Cannon over Heavy Slam every time tbh

Its just more consistent damage.

[molten oasis]

On what

[mighty stump]

Archaludon, who else

[molten oasis]

No sorry, what am I hitting with flash cannon

[mighty stump]

Everything

Lol

You don't always want to blow your SpA with Draco every time

[molten oasis]

I only click Draco into dragons tbh, otherwise I BP

[mighty stump]

Even if its a 2HKO on Flutter you're almost always Snarling T1 if not you're finishing off with Prio

Yeah, Flash Cannon is just consistent damage when you haven't gotten Stamina procs

[molten oasis]

fair, was nice having a flutter nuke that wasn’t somewhat Tera reliant, as I still don’t like rilla and would like to drop it

[mighty stump]

I mean, you're welcome to keep it as Heavy Slam

[dull ibex]

hello again

[mighty stump]

Just that you won't have any sort of damage output to Fairy Teras

That are remotely hevaier

[molten oasis]

I’ll do flash for now

[molten oasis]

What have you been up to

[dull ibex]

ive been being redington

[molten oasis]

That’s crazy

so, rilla replacements? I’ve not really found anything unbeatable or necessarily bad mu wise

[mighty stump]

What do you need the slot to do

That's the thing

[molten oasis]

That’s a great question

Um

[mighty stump]

And also what's the metric you're measuring by that makes you reconsider Rillaboom

[molten oasis]

It just explodes to shit. The times I brought it it kinda just died without doing that much. I also didn’t find fake out really giving me tons of value overall. Doesn’t do much into torn, doesn’t do much into gouging fire, doesn’t do much into chi flutter w/out Tera

[mighty stump]

Ok

So it dies to quickly

But what does it die to

[molten oasis]

Lando I

Gouging fire

Chi yu, single strike to some extent

[mighty stump]

So you don't need Fake Out, but you want things that don't die to Lando-I/Gouging Fire/Chi-Yu and Flutter Mane

[molten oasis]

Sure yea

I think that makes sense

[mighty stump]

Moltres-Kanto

[molten oasis]

Isn’t kanto goltres really bad?

[dull ibex]

👀

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 146: Moltres

Types

Fire/Flying

Abilities

Pressure, Flame Body (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/100/90/125/85/90

Total

580

Other Formes

Moltres-Galar

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[mighty stump]

There's not really a Fire-type that doesn't die to Lando-I so

[dapper crag]

Moltres-Galar's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Assurance, Brave Bird, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Fly, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Lash Out, Payback, Sky Attack, Steel Wing, Sucker Punch, Take Down, Thief, U-turn, Wing Attack

Special Moves

Air Slash, Ancient Power, Dark Pulse, Fiery Wrath, Gust, Hex, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Round, Shadow Ball, Snarl, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

After You, Agility, Endure, Helping Hand, Imprison, Leer, Memento, Nasty Plot, Pain Split, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spite, Substitute, Sunny Day, Tailwind, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Moltres-Galar.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[mighty stump]

Unless you want Heatran and you deal with Lando-I properly

[molten oasis]

I don’t think lando I is the issue, it’s more fire types

I can handle lando i fine with volcarona and ogerpon

[mighty stump]

To some extent, Wellspring should be dealing with Chi-Flutter

[molten oasis]

I was just listing things off that rilla was exploding too

That also applies here then lol

[mighty stump]

So then it's just back to square 1 of what you need your 6th slot to do

[molten oasis]

yeeep

[mighty stump]

Cause clearly you're aware that you have the answers for those things

[molten oasis]

I was mostly listing things off that rilla explodes to there

Rilla doesn’t stick around long enough

[mighty stump]

That's not exactly what you agreed earlier lol

I just listed off conditions you wanted

[molten oasis]

That’s true yea

Uhhhh, god dammit

I beat 1 gouging fire and lost to a few others

[mighty stump]

That just sounds like you need better cycling + something to deal with Kingambit/Defiant

[molten oasis]

Well yea, cuz Archa can deal with it ok

If I can get either off the field I’m usually fine

[mighty stump]

Heres a suggestino

Maushold-Four @ Focus Sash
Ability: Friend Guard
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Feint
• Beat Up / Super Fang
• Follow Me
• Protect / Encore

[molten oasis]

Just so I understand, why maushold and not like, Clefairy?

[mighty stump]

Clefairy doesn't get Feint

You said you wanted removal

You Feint > Draco into Gouging T1

If they blow Tera early, its not a big deal, that means Kingambit is open to dying to BPress

[molten oasis]

Oh I could also bu into Archa for defense boosts

[mighty stump]

Yep.

Or Super Fang to just double something immediately.

[molten oasis]

I see the vision now

Friend guard is also helpful

[mighty stump]

Screens > Parting Shot > Friend Guard

So

almost 3 levels of Protection.

[molten oasis]

Should I just do sash?

[mighty stump]

Yes lol

No reason not imo

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 925: Maushold

Type

Normal

Abilities

Friend Guard, Cheek Pouch, Technician (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

74/75/70/65/75/111

Total

470

Other Formes

Maushold-Four

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

That bulk sucks lmao

[mighty stump]

You can run Bulk, because theres some Mausholds that can live Sacred Swords from Chien-Pao

Liek my original Maushold

But I don't see the point

Atm

[molten oasis]

The bulk made sense in earlier regs

Now everything explodes everything

Alr I’ll try that

Thx

Well I’ll try that in the morning lol, I’m tired

[mighty stump]

Praying for your downfall 🙏

[molten oasis]

Bruh

Anyway gn

[knotty mirage]

Is there good way to counter trick room fairigiraf ?

[mighty stump]

Taunt, Imprison, or usually if its BM Farigiraf, Amoonguss

Farigiraf also usually doesn't output much offensive pressure depending on the set

So sometimes you can just ignore it

Or just go for big spread damage as well

[knotty mirage]

What mon that best to give taunt because prankster taunt will not work

[mighty stump]

Incineroar can, Rillaboom can, some Flutter Mane has been running Taunt as well

[knotty mirage]

Hmm incin and rilla will lost coverage if i give them taunt

I'm not sure about giving it too flutter especially what move should i replace to begin with

[mighty stump]

It also just somewhat sounds like your team auto-loses to TR in general if it's about Farigiraf

Like if your options against TR are that limited

[knotty mirage]

Fair enough should i just add BM ursaluna on the team again then

[mighty stump]

I don't know what you're running

[knotty mirage]

I will makes the pokepaste then but i already forgot some of the EV build on some of my mon so hopefully you don't mind with scuffed EV spread

Okay here the paste just tell me what i need replace
https://pokepast.es/055006a37dcefb01

[mighty stump]

Well

It just seems like unless you KO the Farigiraf, with any sort of Follow Me support theyre going to be setting up TYR

So it just looks like you need to leverage Protects/Pivots better and try to tempo your turns

That

Or you just add something that imprisons lol

[knotty mirage]

Yeah this seem's to be easier said than done especially when most of them just spam hyper voice terra normal

[mighty stump]

The thing is you might not want to go for immediate KOs either

Otherwise its a free switch in

[knotty mirage]

What do you think should i open with then if i go agains't fairigiraf team

[mighty stump]

I mean

Probably Incin + Flutter then have Boom + Urshifu

If they lead a Follow Me user you have to avoid KOing

[knotty mirage]

Noted

[mighty stump]

You can alos just replace one of your mons

Running Amoonguss improves the TR MU

[knotty mirage]

So replace tornadus or raging with amoongus ?

[mighty stump]

Id probably replace Boom lol

[knotty mirage]

I'm not confident by using only raging as urhsifu rapid check but i guess i will try

Oh wait if i replace rilla i will have no chance agains't psyspam

[mighty stump]

Run Snarl Incin lol

Or just replace Bolt

Or run Chi-Yu over Incineroar and keep Boom so you can just do spread damage + nuking

[mighty stump]

Alternatively you can just run Calm Mind Raging Bolt and set up

[knotty mirage]

Hmm i don't really like calm mind raging bolt because i need too sacrifice thunderbolt which mean thunderclap mind games all the time and i hate doing that

[mighty stump]

Not really

Run no Protect lol

Thats what I did personally

[brazen bough]

This looks so satisfying

Also what is loaded dice abt

[mighty stump]

People have been running Scale Shot Dragonite

I personally do not understand why

[real prairie]

Good in singles

i have a loaded dice DN for singles

[brazen bough]

we're talkin abt doubles

that doesnt really transfer

[real prairie]

im right in thinking Lando doesn't naturally outspeed Chien Pao right?

[mighty stump]

You are.

But if it's Lando-T, they run Scarf

[brazen bough]

what is your opin on bulkier chien/ av

[mighty stump]

No

Lol

[real prairie]

right that explains it

are there any prankster disable mons?

[mighty stump]

Sableye.

[real prairie]

meh

not good enough to warrant a team slot

[mighty stump]

lolwut

As far as options go Sableye isn't the worst of them

Prankster Wisp is incredibly high value

[real prairie]

my no means the worst

wisp has low acc no?

[mighty stump]

The trade-off is significant

[brazen bough]

you play it with a defensive spread right?

or specially defensive

quash would make sableye a menace

[mighty stump]

Purely defensive

I had a whole article on it featured on a team

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/7357a0d8020e8e1a attempting a snow team, any thoughts?

[timber falcon]

jesus how many is needed

[tired sage]

where’s that-
snow cloak bright powder

[timber falcon]

i have standards

articuno has hurt me too much alrdy

[tired sage]

but like-
snow cloak bright powder brave bird articuno

[timber falcon]

i thought about it, but, i cant bring myself to use such a cheesy tactic

its pure rng

[mighty stump]

Clear Amulet if you're gonna be DDancing

[timber falcon]

oki doki

also im thinking ligth clay over claok, is that a good idea?

[mighty stump]

Also fine

[timber falcon]

yeah turns out my team seems to annoy the heck out of ppl

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2054003096-bf9xbof98ik4tni9umnxhy63kslwkdnpw

3rd game and ive been insulted

also dont ask why i wild charged into the other hands i wasnt thinking

[molten oasis]

how’s a9 working out for you

[timber falcon]

a9?

[molten oasis]

Alolan ninetales

A-alolan, 9-ninetales

A9

[polar canyon]

There was an av bolt going around in the last regional right?

Does anyone have the set?

[molten oasis]

I have an av bolt set

Raging Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 78
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 116 HP / 92 Def / 196 SpA / 100 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Thunderbolt
• Thunderclap
• Draco Meteor
• Snarl

I believe this lives specs moonblast

[tired sage]

drago stop changing your name i can’t tell if it’s you anymore

[molten oasis]

And also does great amounts of damage

Also lives the fraud lando i (I still lose to it regularly)

[tired sage]

lando I is countered by literally any ice type move

icy wind works well

[molten oasis]

Too bad the ice types are eh rn that isn’t pao

[tired sage]

don’t need an ice type-
just use icy wind

on flutter

[molten oasis]

Hell no

[upbeat quail]

Am I allowed to ask for VGC team advice here?

https://pokepast.es/ddf0d445c996229b

Weezing is non-negotiable. I’m up to changing anything else

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump

urgent

[upbeat quail]

I also don’t want to run Urshifu lol

[smoky hawk]

You'd have to add another 8 to spdef to guarantee that

Or +16 to hp

[molten oasis]

then put 8 spA into the spD

[molten oasis]

im going to tell you, dont run toxic in vgc

[upbeat quail]

Should I run Will-o-wisp instead?

[molten oasis]

you should run wisp

yea perfect lol

um, could add regigigas over latias or bundle

[upbeat quail]

Cool cool. The main trouble I’m having with my team is the metagross and bundle. I’m not a fan of either but idk what else works

[molten oasis]

i dont really think you need both for speed control

yea then regigigas over bundle

you said you dont want to use shifu, may i ask why?

[upbeat quail]

I’m just not a fan of Urshifu. I know he fits well into most teams but I’m just not a fan.

[molten oasis]

like as in you cant use it or you wont?

[upbeat quail]

I know I may lose some games I wouldn’t lose if I used Urshifu, but I don’t care lol.

[molten oasis]

you wont, got it

[upbeat quail]

Yeah. I know I’m limiting myself

[supple ether]

Urshimid

[molten oasis]

i dont use flutter, shut up youre wrong, anyway i dont use flutter for a reason

(i fucking hate it) i get where youre coming from

[supple ether]

You can be successful without him for sure. I think 3 of top 8 didnt have him thos last regional

[molten oasis]

yea you can get by without a shifu

[supple ether]

Yeah 3, 2 of which top 4

[upbeat quail]

Yeah I don’t like flutter or Urshifu

[molten oasis]

specs fluttermane would be good here

...pick one

theyre the 2 best offensive mons in the game, dont restrict yourself from both

[upbeat quail]

But they’re both stinky

[molten oasis]

just use one of them

fluttermane works here over bundle then do like, life orb regigigas over metagross

[bold geode]

He gets nerfed by Weezing anyways lmao

[upbeat quail]

Weezing is the GOAT.

[bold geode]

But Flutter is kinda like
Eeeeeehhhh
If you're using Weezing, Flutter is just an obvious choice
As Bundle usually needs Booster Energy for REAL speed control or emphasis and stuff
Meanwhile Flutter can just go specs without worrying about an ability
Iron Hands of course is another thing to do

[upbeat quail]

Flutter mane feels less dirty than Urshifu too.

[bold geode]

You mainly want either one of two things or even both

1. Ways to play around Neutralizing Gas
2. Mons that don't necessarily need the ability to work

Also keep in mind that Neutralizing Gas now shuts off even Protosynthesis and Quark Drive

[upbeat quail]

Yep! I’ve been playing around with gas and the outplay potential of it is great 🙂

[bold geode]

Right
It's just things to bear in mind for sure

Hell Wolfe's Weezing team was nice, but now even Moon gets shut down by Neutralizing Gas

[molten oasis]

roaring mid roaring mid

[upbeat quail]

I honestly prefer the way gas works now. It can shut down opposing boosters

[bold geode]

It just won Melbourne

[molten oasis]

roaring mid roaring mid

(if it wasnt obvious i think roaring moon is mid)

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

ive seen a couple here and there and just dont really struggle too hard

the one i lost to outplayed me but usually im like, whatever into moon

[upbeat quail]

Other than Regigigas, what else would work in that role for my team?

[tired sage]

rm copium

[bold geode]

Slaking
About it

[molten oasis]

are you saying instead of gigas?

or along with?

[upbeat quail]

Yeah instead of Gigas

And slaking

[molten oasis]

idk, cuz at that point why are you using weezing

[upbeat quail]

Because gassy boy fun. No abilities for you

[molten oasis]

weezing should be enabling mons with bad abilities

so if you REALLY dont want to play with either of those idk what to tell you

[upbeat quail]

I’m just trying to get more ideas.

I’m not opposed to using gigas

[molten oasis]

everything else kinda cares about its ability

[bold geode]

Yeah you're really only using Weezing to enable other stuff on your team
For example, Wolfe used Weezing Mane to KO Tornadus before it set TW

[molten oasis]

palafin, i guess

[bold geode]

As it shut off Prankster

[molten oasis]

toedscruel

[bold geode]

Yeah that's all

[molten oasis]

i dont really think toed is all that great either

[upbeat quail]

At least gigas is better than slaking.

[molten oasis]

so, gigas or slaking (just do gigas)

and like, if you last 5 turns, i think youd be fine later on

[dapper crag]

Ability: Slow Start

On switch-in, this Pokemon's Attack and Speed are halved for 5 turns.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[upbeat quail]

Does slow start reset if you switch out?

[molten oasis]

oh, nvm i thought it worked differently

yea just use gigas

do life orb on it

[upbeat quail]

Is azelf any good?

[molten oasis]

as an explosion bot

and not as a weezing partner

ping me or monke (ceo of rilla) if you need anything else

i need to go do homework

[upbeat quail]

Thanks for the advice peeps

[bold geode]

https://x.com/vgccorner/status/1755309943039627336?t=kDkeasby4qr6LXpkUH12zA&s=33

Brady Smith - VGC Corner (@vgccorner) on X

Hyper Offense vs Balance, which should I play?
In this write-up, I will go over the differences between Hyper Offense and Balance. Here are the parts this write-up will cover:

• Teambuilding differences
• Playing philosophy
• Pros and cons of both
• Which is right for me?…

Twitter · Feb 7, 2024, 7:17 PM

Figured I'd share this here

[timber falcon]

Ohhhh, yeah it’s great

[molten oasis]

glad youre enjoying it

[upbeat quail]

Yeah regigigas is so bad, even with weezing. I’m gonna find something else

[real prairie]

This sounds perfect for trick room, if you lose trick room on the 5th turn your speed is doubled and you suddenly don't need TR anyone, but cant imagine the base speed of Any of the mons with slow start makes this viable?

[timber falcon]

Yeah but u also still gave half ur attack

[upbeat quail]

I’m not trying to use weezing as an enabler, but more of a disabler.

[real prairie]

Is that atk or atk and spAtk

[timber falcon]

My god Galarian wheezing has been making me suffer

[timber falcon]

Idk tbh

[real prairie]

Mind you is there even a SpAtk slow start Mon

[timber falcon]

Regigigas the only one with slow start

[tired sage]

nope

[timber falcon]

Wait rly?

[tired sage]

varoom has slow start

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 965: Varoom

Types

Steel/Poison

Abilities

Overcoat, Slow Start (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

45/70/63/30/45/47

Total

300

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[tired sage]

[timber falcon]

Wow

Why does game freak add it like people are gonna use it though lmao, already nerfed my bro gigas to the ground

He’s my fav Regi too 😭

Also any thoughts on this full tr team?

[upbeat quail]

Is iron hands any good now?

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/04ceaf319617bab5

[real prairie]

I don't know why but I like regi drago design

[timber falcon]

It’s not bad rn

[real prairie]

Even more so since it wears it's tera crown sidewards 🤣

[timber falcon]

I wonder why they did that though

[real prairie]

Guess the dragons head is his head

Not the orb in the middle

[timber falcon]

Oh yeahhhhh

Forgot about that

Speaking of Regidrago, I’ve been in edge about my lack of leg options in compet, should I get leki or drago?

[real prairie]

Tcg have a good card to visualise it

[timber falcon]

Currently re doing crown tundra

[timber falcon]

Looks like a tough card 2 use

[real prairie]

Neither has much legs in top end competitive but drago has more usage from what I saw

[timber falcon]

True, then again leki seems more splashable to me speed speed control wise

Being the fastest available mon

And can trap stuff with cage

[real prairie]

Is it? I had this odd feeling hisui electrode was faster, but obviously leki is more usable lol

I could be very wrong

[timber falcon]

Leki is 200 , electrode 150

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 894: Regieleki

Type

Electric

Abilities

Transistor

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/100/50/100/50/200

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Pokémon No. 101: Electrode-Hisui

Types

Electric/Grass

Abilities

Soundproof, Static, Aftermath (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/50/70/80/80/150

Total

490

Base Species

Electrode

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[real prairie]

Damn

[timber falcon]

Also are the x and y legs allowed in sv? Haven’t seen much of em

[real prairie]

Legs?

[timber falcon]

Legendary

[real prairie]

Box legendaries? No

[timber falcon]

Oh that sucks

[real prairie]

We don't need them back in competitive 🤣

Bad enough getting incin back

[timber falcon]

Incin is cool though

Pretty balanced actually

[bold geode]

Incin based

[real prairie]

I both hate it's design and it's use in competitive lol

[timber falcon]

How could you 😭

I even went out of my way to shiny hunt EVERY SINGLE STARTER because all deserve love

Don’t hate on one of the best

[molten oasis]

Good luck

Weezing isn’t used much since there’s not much to use it with

Could try palafin

[timber falcon]

But it’s so damn annoying to deal with

[real prairie]

I transferred all of mine from home for the Dex and didn't bother unlocking them in SV 🤣

[molten oasis]

True

[real prairie]

But incin = Btec Leomon and Leomon sucked as it was

[timber falcon]

Leomon?

[real prairie]

Digimon character lol

[tough idol]

I've used Drago a bit on my Psyspam team

[timber falcon]

Ur one of them

[real prairie]

Tailwind dragon and psyspam to keep people guessing is pure evil

[timber falcon]

The players who make me have a crisis on what the heck to throw out first

[real prairie]

Toss torkoal after you in there for shits and giggles and I'd hate you for life

[tough idol]

With added RS Ursh and Hearthflame

[timber falcon]

That’s just mean

[tough idol]

Been having fun with HH Hearthflame and Goldengho on Cart too

Noone expects HH when Ghold on field

[timber falcon]

I wouldn’t either, what is even the plan

[real prairie]

hH choice spec make it rain

Kill me now

[tough idol]

Hearthflame has Mold Breaker, most opponents expect Follow Me, Spiky or Cudgel. Then get smacked with a HH MiR

[timber falcon]

Oh I forgot make it rain is absolutely brutal

Haven’t used my gholdengo team in a hot minute

[bold geode]

Then you tera and hate yourself

[tough idol]

If you can work an extra turn in and get a NP off, you get a +2 Choice MiR (add Steel Tera if you want to)

[real prairie]

You could use cornerstone and use follow me to get a nasty plot up but youd have to lose the specs lol

[tough idol]

Cornerstone can't HH Ghold

[timber falcon]

Or smeargle

[real prairie]

Cornerstone sturdy comes clutch for a follow me

[real prairie]

Y not?

[tough idol]

Ghold ability block's it, unless HH Mon has Mold Breaker

That's why it's an unexpected gimmick

[real prairie]

Ah right, good as gold finally has a downside 🤣

[tough idol]

[timber falcon]

So er, any thoughts on this team?

[tough idol]

I cant offer much, I'm terrible with TR

Need to learn tbh

[pallid hare]

if you've done tera raids with it, that's a common issue with gholdengo, no HH unless mold breaker's in effect

[timber falcon]

debating whether i add regidrago for the extra sweep factor

glastrier and ursa dont seem to fit in (difficult to safely activate)

[supple ether]

Yeah glastrier is just really bad without calyrex

On paper it should.be strong as hell but it just doesnt cut it

Im.a drago stan, so for sure do it

[timber falcon]

oki doki

but ill keep ursa just so i have a physical attacker

[nocturne holly]

did I hear okidogi

okidogi best doggg

[timber falcon]

h-arcanine >

majestic dogo

[nocturne holly]

valid

[chrome knot]

if anyone wants 0spe shiny amoonguss ill have one in about 2 hours

a raid for it in swsh

[nocturne holly]

Shit what?

[nocturne holly]

Shiny amoonguss raid?? Like an actually event

shiny pookie bear

[chrome knot]

no not an event

[nocturne holly]

you just found one?

[chrome knot]

im just in the market for one so im getting a raid of it

yes lol

[nocturne holly]

fuck

they stopped swsh events right

[chrome knot]

i had a 2atk/1spe shiny hattrem raid earlier

[nocturne holly]

what the fuck

[tired sage]

whoaaa-

[chrome knot]

@tired sage i gained a new fixation….

[tired sage]

oooo what is it??

[chrome knot]

swsh raids..

and their exploitable properties

[tired sage]

haha

[chrome knot]

in order to get competitive level pokemon

wish it wasnt bannable from playpokemon to sell them…

would be such a cute side hustle

[tired sage]

swsh makes getting mons so easy.
hence why all there is now is just a bunch of botted raids. so i would be careful about that…
pretty sure TPCi knows about the botted raids in swsh

[tired sage]

a cute side job selling pokemon on the black market

[chrome knot]

im not using botted raids

im flipping days until MY overworld raids have what I want

[carmine scarab]

So not only are you flipping days but you're just hoping you can find a shiny amoonguss in a raid?

I feel like that would take forever to find a shiny haha

[chrome knot]

yup thats entirely what im doing

only 23,000 more days to go

[carmine scarab]

I feel like you're better off getting a shiny amoonguss in a different way but to each their own

[supple ether]

That's the same odds as just finding a 0atk/0spe one in the wild

And that one is almost certainly gonna have high IVs in atk and speed

Gurl you crazy

[real prairie]

is there a fire equivalent to storm drain or lightning rod?

[cyan smelt]

Flash fire is the closest one

But it doesn't redirect attacks

[real prairie]

cool, thanks

[carmine scarab]

There is also well baked body which is basically flash fire 2.0

[tired sage]

but it’s exclusive to dachsbun

[real prairie]

does this super bulk team have any legs? https://pokepast.es/891d296585b40ef7

[tired sage]

is metagross’ defense good enough for body press

[molten oasis]

Yes

It’s the same as Archaludon

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 376: Metagross

Types

Steel/Psychic

Abilities

Clear Body, Light Metal (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/135/130/95/90/70

Total

600

Other Formes

Metagross-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[tired sage]

oh ok

[molten oasis]

Or it’s close to

[tired sage]

i wasn’t sure

[molten oasis]

No they’re both 130 I believe

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1018: Archaludon

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Stamina, Sturdy, Stalwart (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/105/130/125/65/85

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

Yep

[real prairie]

arch has stamina though

so think body press might be wasted here

[molten oasis]

Btw, Archaludon would be better than Metagross as a idbp Mon

[tired sage]

metagross isn’t an idbp mon on that team

[real prairie]

Yeah im surring that now, bullet punch made me want Meta but its just not keeping up

seeing*

[molten oasis]

So why are you running body press?

[real prairie]

no idea where surring came from

[tired sage]

the meta is in a weird spot rn

[real prairie]

lack of other options lol

[molten oasis]

Ngl, single strike becoming meta kinda kills it

[tired sage]

mmm that’s fair.
it killed a lot of psychic type mons.

[molten oasis]

Killed Latias

I don’t see it at all

[tired sage]

well…
she has enough bulk but yah…
single strike kinda opened a new door

[molten oasis]

Doesn’t help it just blows into fluttermane and shifu can explode it

Both of them

[tired sage]

But-
i’m still a lati believer

[molten oasis]

Then use it

[tired sage]

i am-

[molten oasis]

Oh

[tired sage]

[molten oasis]

What’s the team?

[tired sage]

https://pokepast.es/651be77e2b5126d3
mienshao isn’t doing much

but having wg fake out for role compression is nice ig

[molten oasis]

You’re also running a9

[tired sage]

yeah

the most replaceable is A9 and Mienshao

[molten oasis]

Do you want screens?

[tired sage]

yeah.

also i don’t really have much to go into waterpon

when it’s not tera’d (which is like- 90% of the waterpons i face)

[molten oasis]

Get rid of mienshao

Add like, rillaboom

[tired sage]

yeah of course.
mienshao was a placeholder

[molten oasis]

You get faster FO, kills ogerpon

[tired sage]

not faster fake out but ok-

[molten oasis]

Faster FO than anything in the meta that has fo (incin and hands)

[tired sage]

oh ok

cause i remembered swsh and was like-
hmmmm mienshao…

[molten oasis]

Yea

Also

I like the a9 usage don’t get me wrong, a9 is my second favorite Mon

A9 is not good into the meta right now

[tired sage]

mhm i understand

[molten oasis]

If you want screens, you got Grimmsnarl

Or Sableye

[tired sage]

i might ditch screens though

[real prairie]

v1.1 https://pokepast.es/92259510ed21e6aa

[molten oasis]

That’s fine, what do you want there?

[molten oasis]

What is going on with the Tera’s?

Ground on poliwhirl?

Electric on Archaludon?

[tired sage]

maybe like another sweeper in case of tr?
idk haven’t thought of much yet

[molten oasis]

Poliwhirl wants grass or dragon

Archaludon wants fairy

[tired sage]

expanding force
you’re not getting the force bonus btw cause you’re levitating

[molten oasis]

I kinda understand the logic with it

But it’s kind of overkill

[real prairie]

did not know that, bye bye force

[molten oasis]

And also keeping that ground weaknesses when you Tera is kind of unfort

[tired sage]

might as well as add magnet then-

[molten oasis]

This team hates ground

Like, have fun fighting lando i you get kinda rolled by it

Id suggest, just changes lol

[real prairie]

WIP lol

appreciate the advise 🙂

[tired sage]

this was the original idea before i removed lando and arch

https://pokepast.es/219e6c994f8e4282

[real prairie]

ground was to negate electric attacks but suppose ground gets rolled by grass

[molten oasis]

Yessir

If anything, I’d drop hands for like rillaboom

[real prairie]

never the monkey

[molten oasis]

Then give the av to Archaludon, and then do sitrus rilla

…

Drop heatran add incin

[real prairie]

i saw a grassy seed acrobatics monkey the other day, that was interesting

[molten oasis]

This team is begging for a ground resist, rilla would be great, kinda sucks you don’t want to use it

I get it tho

[tired sage]

a what-

[molten oasis]

Anyway, add incin

Then maybe have your own lando I over hands

Or do pelipper over politoed, pelipper Archa is really good

[real prairie]

Poli is bulkier which is the idea behind the team, I have other more meta focussed teams

idea is just a pain in the arse to kill

[molten oasis]

Yea

[real prairie]

thinking maybe drop one mon and run grim for screens

[molten oasis]

Cuz you lose to lando I

[real prairie]

i keep looking back at Arch and RB and thinking they both want tera fairy and both offer similar jobs

[tired sage]

tera grass one instead (preferably bolt)

[real prairie]

then i have 3 tera grass

[tired sage]

nvm then

[real prairie]

tera flying bolt?

[tired sage]

why-

[real prairie]

just thinking defensive options v ground

neutral from fairy so retains bulk

isnt going to be targetted by a electric attack

ice is a big risk though

[molten oasis]

That’s fine

There’s a team with 5 Tera water

[real prairie]

so no harm in having 3 tera fairy then

[molten oasis]

Yea

[real prairie]

or is grass the better option?

on RB

[molten oasis]

I don’t think you do both bolt and Archa on the same team

[real prairie]

yeah ill drop bolt, shame as i really like thunderclap but its not worth forcing both in

[molten oasis]

Do you want priority?

Could easily add like, rapid strike with aqua jet or the monke

[real prairie]

rapid strike has no bulk which is the idea behind the team

[molten oasis]

You can’t run a team with only bulky mons

You exert very little immediate offensive pressure that way

And if that’s the case what is wrong with rillaboom

[real prairie]

i strongly dislike it as a mon

we all have our preferences

nothing wrong with it

just i dont like it

[molten oasis]

fair, you should still add something fast to offer some offensive pressure

ScarfShifu would also really help against opposing lando i, which you struggle with

[upbeat quail]

I’m tempted to become a meta slave 😦

[tired sage]

or…
explosion regieleki-?

[real prairie]

thats what the priority was for with Meta bullet punch + thunderclap RB

[tired sage]

boltbeam eleki also works well

[molten oasis]

Does tclap bullet punch kill the thing you’re struggling with

[tired sage]

tclap will be immune and i think bullet will be resisted xD

[real prairie]

im seeing a fair bit of explosion A-Gollum in the low end of the ladder when i reset lol

[tired sage]

it’s not gonna do anything-
if anything i would add electric cress but have it with grass knot

[molten oasis]

Alr, just, cmon man. You need something to handle lando I

You don’t right now

[tired sage]

ice beam
grass knot
tr
blessing
cress

[molten oasis]

You’d ice beam and like psychic so you can still hit it for SE

And steel would be good cuz then you wall it

[tired sage]

mm that’s true

[molten oasis]

But also, run scarfshifu, you get offensive pressure

Which you don’t necessarily have

[tired sage]

oH-
tera fighting water hoodra with shell armor for no crits

[molten oasis]

[supple ether]

0 SpA Cresselia Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Landorus: 132-156 (67.3 - 79.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[tired sage]

well they want bulk but need offense…

[molten oasis]

Could run flutter

[tired sage]

i would like to point out that in what world does lando I run 252 hp

[supple ether]

0 SpA Cresselia Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Landorus: 132-156 (80.4 - 95.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[molten oasis]

Pfff

[tired sage]

ok nvm

[molten oasis]

Don’t run cress offensively

What even is the team again? I forgot like half of it

[real prairie]

think we are diverting away from the point of bulk here lol id ask on this occasion to think inside the box please 🙃

[tired sage]

i know xD

[molten oasis]

DUDE

what part of what I’ve been saying has not gotten to your skull

[tired sage]

i’m sorry but inside the box isn’t gonna work…

[supple ether]

what are we talking about

[real prairie]

fair

[tired sage]

please listen to drago…
you’re gonna be playing a stall team with no damage and barely any healing

you’re gonna lose to put it bluntly

[supple ether]

Stall team

[tired sage]

this H

[molten oasis]

Stall is not good in vgc

What are we even status wise on the team

I feel like we’ve done nothing except drop bolt cuz of the weird overlap with Archaludon

[tired sage]

as much as i like weaving weird ideas, stall just isn’t gonna work

[supple ether]

What is this team no bulk no recovery heatran????

[real prairie]

this is v1.2 as things stand

[molten oasis]

Heatran also doesn’t work on rain

[supple ether]

We'll makw it work oneofakindof, worry not

[real prairie]

https://pokepast.es/64408368e3fbdd47

[real prairie]

i like the optimism lol

[tired sage]

steel cress

[real prairie]

im not expecting to win worlds, just not have all my mons die of OHKO for a little while 🤣

[molten oasis]

Better, yiu still need a fast offensive Mon

[real prairie]

Ele cress with levitate has no weaknesses no?

[molten oasis]

Mmmm, yea, Grimmsnarl explodes to specs flutter behind light screen

[real prairie]

granted less resists though

[molten oasis]

You want the resistances

Could feed into tr

[tired sage]

steel cress walls lando I.
immune to sandsear, earth power, sludge bomb

[real prairie]

thought we were terrified of ground lol

[supple ether]

Drop charge on hands, use swords dance or bellydrum instead

[molten oasis]

LEVITATE