competitive_discussion

[bold geode]

It just does, I can't explain it

[rustic mountain]

ive had bolt win me some games tho its super solid

but for sure had other times it felt really tough to position and use effectively. learned its a matchup mon atleast on those teams

[bold geode]

Idk, Bolt did it's job of pressuring TornShifu
Now what it doing lol

[rustic mountain]

generally jus good coverage and typing into a lot of things

nice priority move and sp atk stat, solid bulk

also torn and shifu r still around

shifu jus won again and torn was what half of the top 8?

[bold geode]

Yeah I have had Thunderclap fail me more times than help tho

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 245: Suicune

Type

Water

Abilities

Pressure, Inner Focus (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/75/115/90/115/85

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[rustic mountain]

well yea cuz its obvious, u gta know the player tendency enough to pressure the other slot or hit it w/ tbolt

ive also had players predict my predict and still attack

so it isnt like 100% ofc

[mighty stump]

I just beat Pengy

[charred saddle]

one of the best team i saw

[mighty stump]

Stefan Mott

Turns out hes Indianapolis Regional Champ

[charred saddle]

poggers

[rustic mountain]

nice

was he running that sun team

[charred saddle]

oh wait i cant send links?

[rustic mountain]

mightve been flagged depending on the link

[mighty stump]

Orthworm

[rustic mountain]

huh

[charred saddle]

its twitch link, he is streaming rn haha

[mighty stump]

Orthworm Ting

Cress Ogerpon

Incineroar

[rustic mountain]

yea prolly for self promotion stuff, twitch links prolly jus get flagged down

weird team

[charred saddle]

ic ic, makes a lot of sense

[mighty stump]

oh yeah Gyarados

I mean theory i think it works cause it beats HO stuff

Iron Defense imo is pretty decently@positioned

Annihilape scared both his Intimidators mashallah

[rustic mountain]

i didnt mean it wouldnt be effective, hes a good player im sure he has his reasons, jus a mostly off meta team with some old format strats

[broken grove]

Hi guys, Is there a big learning curve between singles and doubles?

[rustic mountain]

prolly can catch ppl off tho and his ability to outplay

singles and doubles are very different, id say its pretty big

[broken grove]

Dang :

[rustic mountain]

i wouldnt let it dissuade u

[summer shore]

Ah

[rustic mountain]

i went from singles to doubles and never looked back

its jus a matter if u wanna actually get better at it, theres a lot of resources out now to help ppl get started

[broken grove]

I find the transitioning very hard, it's just not my cup of tea I guess, trying to force it cuz its VGC and stuff lol

😭

[summer shore]

If you're good at one though the fundamentals will still be there

[rustic mountain]

yea i mean i wouldnt force it if ur not actually interested

[summer shore]

The biggest jump is honestly how you think

[rustic mountain]

tru

[summer shore]

The thought processes involved in singles vs vgc are very different

[mighty stump]

fundamentas are the same tho

sup shiro

guess who beat a regional champ 😎

[summer shore]

Oh w mans

[broken grove]

Yeah true true wish VGC singles would come even tho I know its boring and long compared to doubles haha

[rustic mountain]

yea i jus dont think they would ever make it official. the grassroots community its fostered is honestly super cool tho

[summer shore]

All it would take is like 3 good@players palying stall at a tournament to ruin it

I'm sure its been considered

But its never gonna happen

[rustic mountain]

probably yea

[broken grove]

Yea true haha

[rustic mountain]

i think even them jus doing 3v3 for online ladder shows

they dont really care about it

[summer shore]

In person tours when stall v stall gets played 💀💀

[rustic mountain]

haha

thats honestly one of the main reasons i left singles

[summer shore]

I never went deep into smogtour scene so I jst sacrifice my elo when i play into stall

[rustic mountain]

ahaha

[summer shore]

Play it out til t30, if I have an angle play it out

If not i jst go next

[rustic mountain]

feel that

[broken grove]

The meta in singles is pretty much super HO right now, which is weirdly more enjoyable, games go by really quick

[rustic mountain]

yea id have a lot of games go 50+ turns i didnt find it enjoyable

[supple ether]

30???

[summer shore]

30 turns is nothing

[supple ether]

Dear god

[summer shore]

I think the longest game ive played is like 200 turns

Or close to

[rustic mountain]

[summer shore]

I forgot the exact figure

[supple ether]

Singles players lowkey masochosts wtf

[rustic mountain]

i think mine was 100ish, 200 is wild

[summer shore]

It was in my balance era

[rustic mountain]

their mental fortitude is commendable

[broken grove]

Childhood traumas ok we healing

[summer shore]

You haven't tasted victory as sweet as dumping on the opponent in a long ass grind game

[rustic mountain]

frfr

its mostly rough tho

[supple ether]

Ive had similar making Amuk players forfit when they realize I aint fallin for they bullshit

[rustic mountain]

idk i also didnt play singles for long

[summer shore]

Most long games are way way more skill expressive than shorter games anyway

[rustic mountain]

made the jump to vgc pretty quick

[summer shore]

I've been playing OU on and off since ORAS haha

[rustic mountain]

nice

i saw ou useage stats earlier, no water types in top 20 or something

[summer shore]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

then 8 in the next 20

[summer shore]

Yep

[rustic mountain]

something like that

[summer shore]

Im surprised because rain is kinda stupid rn

Goddamn archaludon

[rustic mountain]

oh really? wats the common pair

oh arch

yea it can b annoying in doubles too

[summer shore]

You normally have the staple 4 in Peli Raging Bolt Archaludon Barraskewda

[rustic mountain]

ahhh ok

[summer shore]

And then often stuff like kingambit

N whatnot

[rustic mountain]

damn barraskewda havent faced that inna minute

[broken grove]

I started playing OU during Fire Red and then quit after Platinum, made a return during Scarlet/Violet, now addicted again ffs, glad we dont have to breed a trillion times for a perfect IV + nature

[rustic mountain]

yea i saw tusk was like top 2?

top 3 maybe

yea i dont even wanna imagine grinding mons b4 mints and caps

[broken grove]

Yeah rain is populair and people wanna get Kingambit out of OU to Uber

[rustic mountain]

gambit is #1 right

[broken grove]

And Iron Boulder has loads of complaints too

[rustic mountain]

so interesting how some mons r built more for singles then doubles cuz boulder is not good in vgc

and vice versa

[broken grove]

Yeah super weird but it makes it so diverse, now I realise they prob dont even think of singles when making them, prob think about the effect on doubles, sounds so logical but just realised that so weird

[rustic mountain]

its hard to say, i think they care somewhat for singles otherwise there wouldnt b an official in game ladder for it but yea im not sure exactly how much thought goes into it being specifically for that

[broken grove]

You guys must have enjoyed playing doubles during the DLC don't ya 😛

[rustic mountain]

it was cool

i honestly dont really care cuz the npcs arent difficult

but def a nice change of pace

[broken grove]

Haha yea true true!

[supple ether]

Made the battles go by twice as fast

[rustic mountain]

wouldnt mind like another colosseum type game w/ all double battles tho

[supple ether]

Would love to see more doubles in the future for sure

More interesting gameplay than clicking the stronges move

[rustic mountain]

i think if the e4s mons synergies were better and they had better mons itd have been more enjoyable

didnt feel like i needed much to beat em

[mighty stump]

My longest # of turns is 63 turns in a Dozo mirror

💀

[supple ether]

😭

[mighty stump]

Honestly im impressed they picked up any KO from me in general

So

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[dull ibex]

hello everyone

vc?

[charred saddle]

imagine playing 200 turn match and lose

i wont be able to sleep for the whole night

holy hell, pengy used a frickin choice banded tinglu

[rustic mountain]

wdym, that is ur whole night

[charred saddle]

god fuck ur right

[rustic mountain]

[supple ether]

I need this emoji in my life

[summer shore]

Boulder is falling off ngl

[wheat willow]

My team of Ceruledge, rillaboom, jumpluff, minior, terapagos, and jingambit just went 9-0 in doubles

[supple ether]

Nice

[molten oasis]

I have come to actually be very fond of volcarona in the current meta

Grimm Volc Lando T I think is a really solid core

So I think this reg I’m gonna keep using volcarona

[wheat willow]

i find it weird that i made a really good support jumpluff for my minior

[charred saddle]

funny thing, i somehow find lando T kinda good again, just because lots of pons are around again, and tera flying scarfed blast is still scary

and its has intim too

[molten oasis]

Oh I think Lando t is underrated

Lando I is a fraud

[charred saddle]

lots of people i think played around with lando I speed tiers now ig? like most of my teams are now thinking around that

still annoying to play with th

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 641: Tornadus

Type

Flying

Abilities

Prankster, Defiant (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

79/115/70/125/80/111

Total

580

Other Formes

Tornadus-Therian

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Pokémon No. 645: Landorus

Types

Ground/Flying

Abilities

Sand Force, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

89/125/90/115/80/101

Total

600

Other Formes

Landorus-Therian

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[supple ether]

Why isnt max spatk air cutter tornadus used?

Yall asleep

[charred saddle]

go ahead, id rather have support utils from torn

the most i had was some special attack investment and bleakwind storm spam in rain

and if you really wanted an offensive torn its usually just like steel tera and bleakwind spam

[supple ether]

Im a fan of bleakwind storm's out-of-game effect

Tilting your opponent if it hits both 3+ times in a row outside of rain. Bonuse points if it stat drops and it matters

[molten oasis]

Here’s the thing with bleakwind

Torn can just click it with usually no real consequences

[charred saddle]

its like if u hit it, damn nice haha

if not then yeah sucks to be you

just dont miss

[molten oasis]

Fr

[charred saddle]

resetting for 0 speed or 0 atk time

[molten oasis]

Bro really bringing the Tera water rain I’m guessing water spout kyogre

With specs

[charred saddle]

its only mystic water dw

still ohkoes tho with spout

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[dapper crag]

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Avalanche, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Close Combat, Counter, Cross Chop, Crunch, Dig, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Facade, Fire Punch, Fling, Focus Punch, Fury Cutter, Fury Swipes, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Hammer Arm, Hard Press, Headlong Rush, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Ice Punch, Lick, Low Kick, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Payback, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Scratch, Seed Bomb, Seismic Toss, Shadow Claw, Slash, Smack Down, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Take Down, Thief, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze

Special Moves

Blood Moon, Earth Power, Focus Blast, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Moonblast, Mud Shot, Snarl, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Uproar, Vacuum Wave

Status Moves

Belly Drum, Calm Mind, Endure, Fake Tears, Harden, Helping Hand, Leer, Moonlight, Play Nice, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Taunt, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Ursaluna-Bloodmoon.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[charred saddle]

hear me out, BD BM ursaluna /j

im just coping with my best attack bm ursaluna rn

[molten oasis]

BD?

Holy shit why is its physical movepool so big

Oh bulldoze

[charred saddle]

belly drum haha

[molten oasis]

Oh lol

Huh, it gets belly drum

How to cheese people on CTS ladder

[charred saddle]

i dont think itll do even much tho, no guts, and shit atk stat

but funny thing, facade now hits flutter

6 IV speed 30 atk, so close yet so far

[lofty tartan]

The soft reset nightmare 😐

[charred saddle]

yes

6 atk now

[lofty tartan]

That should've probably been fine if the speed was low. Speed is definitely the more important one

[charred saddle]

best

i mean i can still do like best speed 0 atk, i can do like turboluna

so either, both low or either one of it are 0 IV

[mighty stump]

Whats up losers

The better player has arrived

[supple ether]

You can try a strength sap mon that's 1 speed point higher than 0IV. Go into the battle preinjured. If you outspeed, they're guaranteed 0/1IV. Then you can check their attack IV is 0/1 by how much you heal

[supple ether]

I am here, ty for announcing my arrival

[gentle crag]

chef_h. has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[supple ether]

[mighty stump]

Rep farming in my channel

Reported

Gottem

[supple ether]

[charred saddle]

ik, i saw the arboliva build before. im just lazy rn and just praying to rngesus

[mighty stump]

How did the GC w Lacius go

[charred saddle]

no good

[supple ether]

goodluck

[charred saddle]

theres this fucking team with muddy water pelipper

[mighty stump]

LUL

[charred saddle]

and i just got like "aight idk what to do anymore"

[mighty stump]

Lmao

[charred saddle]

other notable stuff are probably that wild charge feels a bit off, dont really like the recoil

[mighty stump]

Beeg damage

[charred saddle]

oh and theres this one team with suicune

idk how tanky suicune is, it lives HH bloodmoon

[mighty stump]

I mean ok

[mighty stump]

Very

Lol

[charred saddle]

theres veil tho, lives like 10%

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 245: Suicune

Type

Water

Abilities

Pressure, Inner Focus (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/75/115/90/115/85

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[mighty stump]

100-115

[charred saddle]

yeah then i checked it and went "ok fuck"

never met suicune before so thats my fault

[molten oasis]

i am dedicating this reg to volcarona and screens

[charred saddle]

yk, i kinda hate myself.

the moment its 12 IV speed 2 IV atk. i forgot to do heavy ball

[molten oasis]

i actually think its quite good

[mighty stump]

I like Premier Ball

[charred saddle]

beeg bear is heavy, so heavy ball he goes

[mighty stump]

I caught my Snorlax in a regular Pokeball on purpose

Love it

Iconic

[charred saddle]

ckckck

btw tofu, are you listening to any jpop?

or are u not a weeb

[mighty stump]

Wibu lo

B aja sih

[charred saddle]

bau bawang saya bang

[mighty stump]

Anjing

[charred saddle]

jkjk ga sewibu itu jg gw

but i love jpop haha

[mighty stump]

Inshallah mandi

[mighty stump]

Biasanya yoasobi paling and random jpop somgs here and there

[gentle crag]

woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1

[mighty stump]

Fuji kaze

[charred saddle]

Eve buka konser soalnya mei

[mighty stump]

EVE BUKA KONSER?

[charred saddle]

i got the ticket

[mighty stump]

ANYING

[charred saddle]

iya

[mighty stump]

GW GK AKAN DI INDO KYKNYA

[charred saddle]

KAWOWKAOAWKOAWK

https://eveinjakarta.com/

[molten oasis]

tf?

[charred saddle]

Eve

[molten oasis]

oh eve is great

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

Anj

I love EVE

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/c662300d62e75452 what do you guys think these 4 could need?

or what could i add ig

added shifu and i want to try av on it since scarf isnt an option and I want to try this before doing mystic water

[charred saddle]

rilla feels ok? or amoonguss if u wanna go for bulkier route

and amoonguss can play around TR

or other thhing u can do is darkshifu sashed then waterpon

[molten oasis]

i want rapid strike for gouging gambit

its like, a tad better than single strike imo

into gouging gambit

[charred saddle]

but darkshifu walls gambit more right? i mean if u said like lowkick, then maybe yeah

[molten oasis]

no

[charred saddle]

fairy tera?

[molten oasis]

rapid strike resists both stabs of gambit

[charred saddle]

ah okok

[molten oasis]

and also fire resist

[charred saddle]

i mean for gouging u prob want lando to deal with it or like have a dragon (?)

[molten oasis]

can lando lead into gouging gambit?

should i lead a dragon into a howling dragon type?

like sure i could get a dragon to bait a tera

[charred saddle]

hmm

[molten oasis]

but like, i dont want to add a dragon right now

at least yet

im just trying to use the last 2 for worse mu's

[autumn kelp]

Q: I get EV with VITAMINS or FIGHT certain type of pokemons and IV through hyper training ?

[molten oasis]

you get them from both

[charred saddle]

yes and yes

[autumn kelp]

ok ok , making sure I am on the right knowledge track before moving tweaks

[molten oasis]

i think maybe a ghost type for espeed spam

[autumn kelp]

(learning)

[molten oasis]

paonitetei looks annoying, or just rough with this team

[charred saddle]

cough cough what?

u need ghost typing that can kinda play around gouging gambit? sounds like a flutter to me

[molten oasis]

no

[charred saddle]

jk

[molten oasis]

i need a ghost for paonite lol

yk, that isnt fluttermane

[charred saddle]

or just slap fari for prio spams no?

[autumn kelp]

you could get a fairytype ?

dazzling stonks

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/c662300d62e75452

i have a fairy

[white inlet]

guys do you like. think hitmontop could be good if you done things right just asking

[molten oasis]

...

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 237: Hitmontop

Type

Fighting

Abilities

Intimidate, Technician, Steadfast (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/95/95/35/110/70

Total

455

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

I like fari, but i dont think fari works here

if all its doing is existing and doing nothing id rather not run it

i think adding another support is good

idk about that support being fari

[molten oasis]

hard to use but it could work

[charred saddle]

well it doesnt have to be a support set, like just throat spray stuff should kinda work

i mean whats ur TR gameplan

[molten oasis]

decent fake out support ig, it just be a worse incin

screens is my plan

atm, ig we can do fari

i REALLY dont just like slapping fari on teams it always feels eh

[charred saddle]

i mean other typing that fits that is prob rilla, its just that AV is in urshifu

or u can do the grass type buff atkthing

[molten oasis]

rn it has no tr partner

[dapper crag]

Hitmontop's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Bullet Punch, Close Combat, Counter, Covet, Dig, Double-Edge, Drill Run, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Fake Out, Feint, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Headbutt, High Jump Kick, Ice Spinner, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mach Punch, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Pursuit, Quick Attack, Rapid Spin, Retaliate, Return, Revenge, Reversal, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rolling Kick, Rollout, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Stone Edge, Strength, Sucker Punch, Tackle, Take Down, Thief, Triple Axel, Triple Kick, Upper Hand

Special Moves

Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Mud-Slap, Round, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Uproar, Vacuum Wave

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Baton Pass, Bulk Up, Captivate, Coaching, Confide, Curse, Detect, Double Team, Endure, Focus Energy, Foresight, Helping Hand, Laser Focus, Mimic, Mind Reader, Protect, Quick Guard, Rain Dance, Rest, Role Play, Sandstorm, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Toxic, Wide Guard, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Hitmontop.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[charred saddle]

fari bm

[molten oasis]

idk how badly i want to add bloodmoon

[charred saddle]

HAHAHA

[molten oasis]

yea, exactly

[charred saddle]

i mean iron hands?

fake out, and can play around TR

[molten oasis]

last time i tried hands it was so mid

[charred saddle]

idk how itll play around ur team tho yeah

[molten oasis]

it just existed and did nothing

oh also

we already have lando t

so prob some other tr partner, i will try fari

could do gambit

oo yk what

[mighty stump]

It exists

And has like

Moves that are beneficial that other Intimidators don't get

But the fat Flutter weakness is sad

[molten oasis]

waterpon+gambit

[mighty stump]

Anyone wanna chill in VC

[dapper crag]

dewgong is my fav fake out pokemon

[molten oasis]

i could, but its 1 in the morning and i dont want to wake up anyone

[charred saddle]

mau tdr

[mighty stump]

anj

[charred saddle]

bginilah masa depan kedokteran indonesia

jam tdr rusak

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/afa88041073868c2 thoughts?

[dapper crag]

nice tera pick for volcarona

[molten oasis]

Thx

[mighty stump]

Fairy over Poison on Kingambit t

[molten oasis]

Alr

Anything else about the team that looks bad?

Or is it fine

[mighty stump]

certain board states felt weird into Ogerpon-Wellspring

[white inlet]

uhh... bullet punch?

[mighty stump]

Doesn't KO

[white inlet]

fair point

[molten oasis]

Like what?

[mighty stump]

I mean I played the team into Monke's Raging Bolt team while Leo piloted and it felt like you had a lack of Switch Ins sometimes.

i.e. Grimm + Something with Lando-I/Volc in the back pre-Tera

[white inlet]

and gyro ball is practically useless (it's like throwing a pebble at a black hole)

[molten oasis]

I have lando t

[mighty stump]

Lando-T/Lando-I same weakness

[molten oasis]

Fair yea

Wait you played the team I have?

[white inlet]

you could possibly use technician for bullet punch, but im not sure if anybody uses technician at all

[dapper crag]

i like ur analogy

[mighty stump]

Meh, then you might as well be using Scizor

Not Hitmontop

[white inlet]

fair point: the sequel

[molten oasis]

Hmm

I was considering av gambit for a minute

And I had rapid strike before as well

So, it’s just certain board states that’s the case?

Like if I don’t have waterpon or something for the overlap with volc and lando

Do you think having a separate water type and separate grass would help?

[mighty stump]

Volc coverage also blows into Dragons

[molten oasis]

And fire types

I noticed that

But like, I think it’s fine, it’s main partner is Grimmsnarl

It does decent damage into them

And if it’s like a wake I can just giga drain it

if volc isn’t dead

And the same issue lies with Hearthflame and wellspring

although hearth doesn’t care lol

[arctic bronze]

How do I raise ivs?

[mighty stump]

Hypertraining.

Use Bottle Caps/Gold Caps at Montenevera

There's an NPC that stands next to an Abomasnow near the Pokemon Center.

[molten oasis]

If only there was a Pokémon that threatened both dragons and fire types at the same time

That isn’t mid

[mighty stump]

Iron Bundle who

Gouging Fire who

[molten oasis]

Gouging fire threatens fire types?

[mighty stump]

Just wack em with BSwipe over and over

[molten oasis]

Yea fair

also, bundle on a screens team?

https://pokepast.es/ee17c12d94a97b93 so something like this maybe?

[dull ibex]

Hey guess who can't stream their switch anymore

[timber falcon]

You

[dull ibex]

That's right

[timber falcon]

Oof

I’ve just had my software close whilst doing a competition match

As soon as you said that

[supple ether]

Milotic maybe? Kyogre

Uhmm, urshifu ice spinner , landy maybe, gyarados, dondozo, regidrago technically, g.zapdos is a stretch

Oh, duh, glimmora and maybe fluttermane too

[molten oasis]

Ice spinner is not good damage on shifu

Milotic isn’t very good, not adding flutter, glimm is a potential option

Gyara is mid, I don’t have room for dozo, Regidrago maybe, and I like gapdos on paper but it wants scarf which it isn’t getting

[mighty stump]

Since when is Gyara mid

Misinformation time

But Gyara doesn't "deal with Dragon types"

[supple ether]

When I was thinking dragon I was focusing mainly on the secondary typings. So 4x weak to ice on flying, rock weakness, fighting weakness, ground, etc

But my coverage knowledge is too smol

Focus blast dazzling gleam gengar

[timber falcon]

how

[mighty stump]

Honestly, you really don't need to think in terms of SE moves all the time

[molten oasis]

I think it is personally

[mighty stump]

Just run strong neutrals

[molten oasis]

I just don’t like gyara

Overall no it’s not mid but I am just not a fan of it

[timber falcon]

hes a good assist but i wouldnt run him offensively

[molten oasis]

So is this fine then?

[molten oasis]

He’s mid here, I already have intim with lando

[timber falcon]

double intim isnt popular btu isnt bad

[molten oasis]

And breaking swipe on gouging fire

[timber falcon]

oh then u dont need at all

[molten oasis]

Ik but like, gambit is fairly common

I don’t need gyara here yea

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/40f9e387be5649c8 im struggling for the last 2 moms, any idea?

dark ursh is the star as u can see by the name

not sure if i should go offensive incin or just leave it, or maybe swap with gouging to enable howl

[cloud heron]

Should Delphoxes be anything other than special attackers?

I’m about to train 2 up and not sure if I should go modest mints for both or a serious mint for one of them?

[mighty stump]

Modest/Timid only

[cloud heron]

Ty

[willow vault]

Why have you got max attack Incineroar?

[timber falcon]

suprise attacks i guess

for powerful knock off and blitz

while retaining some nice bulk and sitrus heal

[willow vault]

What is it specifically for, is it an amoongus kill or something like that, it just doesn’t seem like a great use of Incineroar strengths as a Pokemon

[polar canyon]

My city actually has a smaller official tourney this month

Maybe I could try it

All normal ots reg f

[willow vault]

That sounds fun, I think you should go for it

[polar canyon]

Let's go

First premier challenge

[willow vault]

Good luck

[polar canyon]

The plan is to go there planning to win but not expecting to lose

I always try to use more originalish wackier teams on cart ladder

But I think I should go with a traditional confirmed to be good kinda team

You know

I usually win more when I use those

[mighty stump]

Wonder why

[polar canyon]

you're telling me urshifu and incineroar make people win???? No way

[tough idol]

Good Luck for anyone at Knoxville

[mighty stump]

Hope everyone loses

🙏

[polar canyon]

Usually 50% of the 2 people in a battle win

So I hope everyone is disqualified

[mighty stump]

I hope the regional gets cancelled

I hope VGC is deleted from existence

I hope Pokemon goes bankrupt

Mashallah

[polar canyon]

No I just hope doubles vgc gets deleted and everyone has to play bss

Fate worse than death

[tough idol]

Had some fun games last night, making Muk, Smear players rage quit, by deleting Muk T1/2

[polar canyon]

Nice job

Making trolls rage quit is nice in any online environment

[tough idol]

Ground Tera Blast Iron Crown + Imprison Indeedee

Surge to prevent Fake Out and Imprison to stop Follow Me, then in the hands of RNG T1 crit kills, T2 in the hands of minimise

[polar canyon]

Doesn't the tera blast hit follow me smeargle turn 1?

Or do you use tachyon cutter to break through the sash

[tough idol]

They usually go for Fake Out T1 like an idiot

The gameplan seems to be ingrained in they're mind and they don't adapt

[polar canyon]

Clearly

They expect you to tera to flying

And have your mon not touch the terrain to be protected

[tough idol]

[mighty stump]

I feel like

You still should just prioritise killing Smeargle first lol

They can just click Spore

[mighty stump]

4-0'd a Dondozo team = pog

[real prairie]

Happened to me 4 times this weekend 😢

[next stump]

1 hour till knox stream 😄 yay

[chrome knot]

2-0 rn

[bold geode]

https://rk9.gg/pairings/KNO2mNAEkSbVm7oYfOvU
Knoxville pairings

[bold geode]

Ayo

[chrome knot]

watch for Emma Brooks ❤️

[bold geode]

Oh yert I see you
GET IT QUEEN

[next stump]

good job!

[bold geode]

Are you at Knox?

[next stump]

nope

my next regional is indianapolis in a few months

[bold geode]

Ah
How many points you need?

[next stump]

99 more until my worlds invite

but I think I’m going to try and push for a NAIC Travel Award, so I need like 200ish more points probably for $750

[bold geode]

BRO
I'M SCROLLING TIKTOK AND KNOXVILLE STREAM FOR POGO WAS ON THERE

[woeful epoch]

I have Sap Sipper giraffe on my bingo card for Knox

[next stump]

no shot, not with open teamsheet

the only sap sipper is gonna be the poor bastard who forgot to change it

[mighty stump]

Lol

Teamsheet errors

Gotta love it

[woeful epoch]

A man can dream

[mighty stump]

A man needs to wake up

Kek

[woeful epoch]

Lol

In seriousness, I'd like to see the Bridge do well this weekend

[chrome knot]

yippieeee thanks

[gentle crag]

setsumizi has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[charred saddle]

damn goodluck

[fallen garden]

my prediction is that none of the caster predictions will make top cut

[bold geode]

My prediction is that a Pokemon will win

[fallen garden]

a pokemon, nay a whole team of them

[bold geode]

@mighty stump I swear bruh your Rilla is just him

I keep thinking monkey might die to hits
Then it just soaks it like a mfer

He cannot be stopped

[mighty stump]

Lol

Speaking of hits

Why the fuck

Does Moonblast have a SpAtk drops

The amount of times

It's triggered a SpA drop that mattered

Is so fucking high

For what

On a premier offensive typing

[bold geode]

Lmao
It never does for me

Tofu what fucking curse did you pick up

Not again

[mighty stump]

Its fine, whatever

Ill take rank 204/1660s

[bold geode]

I'd win

[mighty stump]

Did you even play your games

[bold geode]

I played one more
4-1

Probably will play some more tonight after work

Gonna play another one real quick

Yeah let's see this fuckin meta game now

[charred saddle]

play more

stream it too

[bold geode]

Can't stream it

[charred saddle]

[bold geode]

Motherfucker
No AV Archaludon

And Trick Room Flutter

[charred saddle]

im seeing a lot of lefties ludon in GC somehow

[bold geode]

WHAT THE FUCK

Oh man

AYO GOUGING FIRE TOP 12

[charred saddle]

oo ting komoo pory

[summer shore]

Ceo of billaroom @bold geode

In fact

Ceo of revavroom

[bold geode]

@summer shore

[summer shore]

@bold geode

[bold geode]

@summer shore

[summer shore]

You're getting a rare combo rn

[bold geode]

Huh

[summer shore]

Tired about to sleep shiro

[bold geode]

Oh shit

[summer shore]

You're a content creator monke?

Since when

What is this new development

[bold geode]

Since idk
A week or two ago

[mighty stump]

Since he thought my idea of a blog was good

[bold geode]

Yeah I'm copying Tofu
I copied his swag

[summer shore]

Damn

Blog more like

B logged into pokemon showdown

[bold geode]

Damn
Never thought about it like that

Shiro
A true inspiration

Ayo @mighty stump Emmie is fuckin fighting Jeudy

[mighty stump]

I know

[bold geode]

Damn
Crazy match there

[karmic temple]

did she lose

[bold geode]

Match in progress

[karmic temple]

Oh shit

Gl gl

[chrome knot]

team sheet erorr

[karmic temple]

WE LOVE FREE WINZ

[chrome knot]

if i had no error i take game 1 so easily lmao

so i just let him have the set

too embarrassed to fix it on the spot

[karmic temple]

Oh I saw his tweet just now

[bold geode]

Oh no

[karmic temple]

Tr was so obvious 😭

Was the p2 attack or spa boosted

Justin taking his last name too literally

Ofo laughing when he saw perish song

What a good sport

[rustic mountain]

burns won the flutter lottery

[rough maple]

Dozo usage in OU has forced me to put tackle on my own Dozo

I can’t go through three games in a row without Dozo v Dozo for 85 turns

[karmic temple]

Aaron with the jug

Snarl Entei is just ruining fari lmfao

Well so did meteor bean too ig

[supple ether]

No vacuum wave tragic

[chrome knot]

@next stump time for me to win the next 6 im fucking amped

[supple ether]

aaron's cooked ohnoe

[rustic mountain]

wen i saw the amoongus/giraffe back i was like its so joever

[supple ether]

Lmao yeah

[rustic mountain]

wait

aaron kinda schmoving

[supple ether]

-2 no shot

[rustic mountain]

urshi and ogerpon are low

[supple ether]

maybe im not hopeful

WAIT WHAT

[rustic mountain]

[supple ether]

Jesus christ

[rustic mountain]

that was dope

[supple ether]

On the backfoot to won in one and a half turns

Good lord

[rustic mountain]

thats wat great players do

[bold geode]

Kitty

[supple ether]

Ooh interesting play

cmon aaron I believe

[rustic mountain]

great set

[supple ether]

for sure

[supple ether]

Round 4 starting soon

Interesting turn 1 for sure

Oof

[next stump]

what the fuck how does that knock out hahaha

[supple ether]

Is it a roll? I thought that was guatanteed

+1 252 Atk Tera-Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 252 HP / 148 Def Tera-Water Ogerpon-Wellspring: 95-112 (50.8 - 59.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Tight

[next stump]

+1 252 Atk Tera-Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 164 HP / 76 Def Tera-Water Ogerpon-Wellspring: 102-121 (57.9 - 68.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(102, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 116, 117, 118, 119, 121)

We don’t know the spreads (besides Jeudy HP) so it’s hard to say exactly

[supple ether]

same wavelength

[next stump]

He was 115HP, so probably an unfavorable roll

unless he’s like 4DEF

or if Riley is Adamant, then it’s pretty much guaranteed

[supple ether]

True feelsbad if youre jeudy though

Oof

[autumn kelp]

king and urishifu on one team

o.o

[supple ether]

Bold play

Pays off

Ayo? Holup

Strong game by jeudy

[polar canyon]

The double crit that mattered

[supple ether]

The power of god and incineroar on their side

this is a very fun match to watch

THE CRITS DONT STOP

Damn, good set

-remindme 20m match 5

[molten oasis]

Ngl losing the waterpon so early was kinda bad

[autumn kelp]

¨ i do not believe on this team anymore¨ also, gets to r04

[rustic mountain]

riley is hilarious

what teams are u scared of?
"everything"

[nocturne holly]

L you don’t have permission on this setver

[polar canyon]

Nah regidrago was obvious

Like wym hydreigons arms are part of another dragons head

[supple ether]

Next match starting

why the followme and protect

Am I crazy?

[karmic temple]

Lfg psyspam (I actually hate it)

Well

[polar canyon]

The fun part of watching for me is seeing people being smart and doing good plays I wouldn't either be able to make or have the balls to risk it

But that doesn't happen with psyspam

Psyspam always goes exactly how you think it will

[molten oasis]

Yikes

U-turn was not the play

[supple ether]

I cant tell if there's a read Im missing or if this play is so high level I just cant comprehend it

But plant god is not schmooving rn

[karmic temple]

It’s joever

Oh I thought Mia still had Deedee left

[molten oasis]

It’s chi Yu and their tw ends

[karmic temple]

They just slow to update

[molten oasis]

It’s joever

Lol

That’s a really fast torn

I think Matt needed to go kill the crown

It did too much

[supple ether]

Im curious about that protect folloeme turn

Why not just expanding force follow me

[molten oasis]

Bleakwind ig?

[near crag]

Could revaroom work, in an attemp to counter flutter? It does have 119 atk

[molten oasis]

Speed drop mostly

[supple ether]

Tru

Psyspam mirror

[polar canyon]

I mean in a 1v1 vs mane it probably can win

[molten oasis]

I don’t like this

[polar canyon]

No one likes this

[molten oasis]

Fr

[supple ether]

No protect

[karmic temple]

Not the mirror

[molten oasis]

MISS

[charred saddle]

OH

70% hit pog

[molten oasis]

he boutta lose his crown

[supple ether]

Crazy gamble

[molten oasis]

Interesting

[karmic temple]

Ay yo ? Surprised they didn’t ko crown

[supple ether]

Mia clapping plant god's cheeks

[molten oasis]

THAT KILLED A 4X RESIST

That’s actually wild

[polar canyon]

Expanding force moment

[molten oasis]

Mia is winning the mirror

[polar canyon]

I hope both lose

[karmic temple]

Mia is goated

[molten oasis]

Crown psyspam is better than arma psyspam

Like

[supple ether]

Bleakwind bad oof

[molten oasis]

By how it plays

It’s joever

[karmic temple]

Ruh roh

[molten oasis]

Free switch in, it’s so joever

[supple ether]

Lets go regidrago lets go 👏 👏 👏

[molten oasis]

He needs torn to live heat wave and expanding force and get speed drops

As in heat wave misses

[supple ether]

[molten oasis]

Let’s see

[karmic temple]

Mia won

[molten oasis]

DAMN

[supple ether]

no spoil

[molten oasis]

It’s so joever

Mia piloted way better

[karmic temple]

Very much

[supple ether]

Damn thats wild damage

[molten oasis]

I mean

Regidrago doesn’t have defense stats

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 895: Regidrago

Type

Dragon

Abilities

Dragon's Maw

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

200/100/50/100/50/80

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

50 in both lmao

[supple ether]

I wonder if expanding force does more damage there

[molten oasis]

Probably does

[boreal mauve]

Expanding Force

Base Power:

80

G-max Power:

130

Accuracy:

100

Category

Special

Type:

Psychic

Power Points (PP)

10

Priority:

0

In-Game Desciption:

The user attacks the target with its psychic power.
This move’s power goes up and damages all opposing
Pokémon on Psychic Terrain.

Technical Description:

Inflicts regular damage.

Other Properties:

Does not make Contact
Affected by Protect
Not affected by Magic Coat
Not affected by Snatch
Affected by Mirror Move
Affected by King's Rock

Provided by Nexus-Z

[molten oasis]

Terrain boosts it a lot

[supple ether]

Does it double on terrain?

Or 1.5x

[molten oasis]

1.5

[polar canyon]

1.5

[dapper crag]

Move: Expanding Force

If the current terrain is Psychic Terrain and the user is grounded, this move hits all opposing Pokemon and has its power multiplied by 1.5.

Type

Psychic

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[polar canyon]

But it stacks with the 1.3

From being in terrain

[molten oasis]

So 1.8

Which is, gross

[polar canyon]

I mean

[supple ether]

1.8 or 1.95?

[polar canyon]

I think it's 1.95 I never checked tho

[timber falcon]

does it not also get the STAB boost?

[molten oasis]

I don’t think it multiplies together does it?

[polar canyon]

And life orb

[molten oasis]

No it does

[supple ether]

Yeah but so does tachyon

[timber falcon]

thats crazy

[polar canyon]

And helping hand

[molten oasis]

So 1.5x1.3x1.5x1.3

[dapper crag]

Move: Tachyon Cutter

Hits twice. If the first hit breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the second hit. This move does not check accuracy.

Type

Steel

Category

Special

Power

50

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Slicing

Boosted by Sharpness.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

I think

[timber falcon]

dont u add it?

[molten oasis]

Idk

[bold geode]

Basically EForce in terrain go brr

[supple ether]

100 vs 140 (or 156)

Tachyon v expanding

[timber falcon]

thank lord we have dark types in the game

[supple ether]

Wonder if that was a misplay or intentional mind game

[molten oasis]

Yea dark types are great

Into psyspam

[polar canyon]

It's rising voltage that's 2x but game freak hates electric terrain bc they only gave electric surge to pincurchin this gen and made ef a tm but not voltage

[timber falcon]

no prankster either

[molten oasis]

Made what a Tm?

Auto correct is so annoying

[polar canyon]

Expanding force

Didn't they?

[molten oasis]

Oh, yea that was weird

[tired sage]

?

[timber falcon]

surely by then thunderus is run?

[tired sage]

OH REGIONALS

[supple ether]

Thundurus is good, Im telling yall

[polar canyon]

Yeah the psyspam mirror just happened

It was boring

[molten oasis]

Well, we will have e-terrain next reg

[timber falcon]

how

[polar canyon]

):

[molten oasis]

with what I’m guessing is miraidons debut

[timber falcon]

wait

miraidon?

[supple ether]

Tapus+paradox mons gonna go bonkers gen10

[polar canyon]

Cant wait for tera fairy calyrex beads of ruin omg it's gonna be so fun for everyone

[molten oasis]

There’s no where else to go

[timber falcon]

am i missing something?

restricted mons allowed next reg?

[molten oasis]

Only way to go is restricted

Yea

[charred saddle]

no announcement yet but prob

oh its announced alr drago?

[timber falcon]

youve gotta be kidding me

[molten oasis]

No but like

[timber falcon]

surging strike is about to be burried

[molten oasis]

What else are they supposed to do?

[supple ether]

Little cup format

[molten oasis]

You think tornshifu is going away? That’s funny

[supple ether]

It isss tho Im telling ya

[polar canyon]

Yeah it is

[timber falcon]

its already unfavourable cause surging isnt getting those kiils

[molten oasis]

Why would urshifu disappear as a whole

[timber falcon]

and both the box legs of the game counte rit

[polar canyon]

It's gonna get beaten by like everything with restricted

[molten oasis]

I think urshifu will still be around

Ignoring protect is just too good

[timber falcon]

it was hyperbole, its just not gonna be as convinient

[supple ether]

Miraidon, koraidon, kyurem, calyrex, urshifu just cant compete. I could see it on kyogre teams maybe, but then eleki just goes brrr

[near crag]

chien pao and chi yu might become even more overused, in order to make the restricted mons hit even harder

[timber falcon]

wym miraidon cant complete?

[molten oasis]

How does kyurem hurt shifu

[supple ether]

Opposite, because of those mons urshi cant compete

[timber falcon]

ah ok

[molten oasis]

And like yea I won’t argue they’re gonna hurt shifu but I doubt it’s going away

[polar canyon]

Nah it's because helping hand tera fighting band urshifu close combat ohkos miraidon

[supple ether]

Idk, I just like him

[molten oasis]

I bet single strike will be good

[supple ether]

Plus dragon resist

[timber falcon]

assmuing electro drift doesnt obliterate it

[molten oasis]

Electro drift obliterates a ton I believe

[timber falcon]

yeah

[supple ether]

Base 200BP on SE is ridiculous

[timber falcon]

good thing i bribed by brother into giving me his moraidon

[polar canyon]

It's a tera ground

[supple ether]

Same with koriadon's

[molten oasis]

Cuz it’s 1.5 from stab, 1.333333 on se damage, and 1.5 on terrain

[timber falcon]

sheesh

[polar canyon]

It's 1.3 terrain

[molten oasis]

Kyogre ain’t gonna like miraidons existence

[polar canyon]

That was nerfed in gen 8 because of tapus iirc

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1007: Koraidon

Types

Fighting/Dragon

Abilities

Orichalcum Pulse

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/135/115/85/100/135

Total

670

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[polar canyon]

Terrain boosts

[dapper crag]

Move: Electric Terrain

For 5 turns, the terrain becomes Electric Terrain. During the effect, the power of Electric-type attacks made by grounded Pokemon is multiplied by 1.3 and grounded Pokemon cannot fall asleep; Pokemon already asleep do not wake up. Grounded Pokemon cannot become affected by Yawn or fall asleep from its effect. Camouflage transforms the user into an Electric type, Nature Power becomes Thunderbolt, and Secret Power has a 30% chance to cause paralysis. Fails if the current terrain is Electric Terrain.

Type

Electric

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

Oh oops

That’s still a lot

[timber falcon]

even that stats of these guys are crazy like DAMN

[polar canyon]

It's a life orb boost

[molten oasis]

OH don’t forget miraidon gets a SPECIAL ATTACK BOOST

[near crag]

solgaleo just might be one of the best upcoming mons, bc of flutter

[polar canyon]

Shadow ball?

[timber falcon]

?

[supple ether]

What's koriadon's signature move again?

[dapper crag]

Move: Collision Course

Damage is multiplied by 1.3333 if this move is super effective against the target.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

100

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Pokémon No. 791: Solgaleo

Types

Psychic/Steel

Abilities

Full Metal Body

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/137/107/113/89/97

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[supple ether]

Collision course

[dapper crag]

Solgaleo's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Slam, Bulldoze, Close Combat, Crunch, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Last Resort, Metal Burst, Metal Claw, Outrage, Psychic Fangs, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Steel Roller, Stone Edge, Sunsteel Strike, Superpower, Take Down, Wake-Up Slap, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Expanding Force, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Future Sight, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Meteor Beam, Mystical Fire, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Shock Wave, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Steel Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Confide, Cosmic Power, Double Team, Endure, Helping Hand, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Metal Sound, Morning Sun, Noble Roar, Protect, Psych Up, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Splash, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Teleport, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick Room, Wide Guard, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Solgaleo.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[supple ether]

Wild

[near crag]

sunstell strike, and defensive tera

[timber falcon]

that works with many other mons

[molten oasis]

If it’s reliant on a Tera, it’s not an answer imo

[polar canyon]

Might as well use dusk mane

[molten oasis]

Yea dusk mane is just better

[boreal mauve]

Sunsteel Strike

Base Power:

100

G-max Power:

130

Accuracy:

100

Category

Physical

Type:

Steel

Power Points (PP)

5

Priority:

0

In-Game Desciption:

The user slams into the target with the force of a
meteor. This move can be used on the target
regardless of its Abilities.

Technical Description:

Inflicts regular damage. Other Pokémon's abilities cannot activate in response to this move. In particular, it hits through disguise

Other Properties:

Makes Contact
Affected by Protect
Not affected by Magic Coat
Not affected by Snatch
Affected by Mirror Move
Affected by King's Rock

Provided by Nexus-Z

[timber falcon]

and its not worth the damage thats gonna happen anyway

[polar canyon]

Filter equivalent > clear body equivalent too so its not worth the ability

So necrozma dusk mane is better overall

[supple ether]

Solgaleo is too slow. Just make it rain but worse

[molten oasis]

Flutter might die a little bit because of caly

And zacian

[timber falcon]

which caly?

[molten oasis]

The ghost one

[polar canyon]

Solgaleo might be cool against caly ice but will be destroyed completely by caly ghost

[timber falcon]

oh yeah astral barrage

[molten oasis]

And zacian has no trouble wiping fluttermane from existence

[timber falcon]

i reckon incin will give cali ghost some trouble

[polar canyon]

Using the restricted just to counter mane is wild

[molten oasis]

Flutter is the best Mon in the game

[supple ether]

252+ SpA Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 220 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane: 152-182 (96.2 - 115.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

[molten oasis]

Not even incin beats it in usage

[polar canyon]

Until calyrex is back

[timber falcon]

i think its just splashable

[molten oasis]

Yea then it’s caly

[timber falcon]

idk about best

[near crag]

btw, what's the best response to mane?

[molten oasis]

I think caly is just better than miraidon

[supple ether]

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider Glacial Lance vs. 220 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane: 130-154 (82.2 - 97.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[polar canyon]

):

[molten oasis]

Which id say miraidon is one of the top

[timber falcon]

specs miraidon?

[molten oasis]

Will prob be common

[timber falcon]

shoot

[polar canyon]

Specs miraidon would not be cool because of ground

[molten oasis]

Mirai chi yu will also definitely be a thing

[timber falcon]

an example?

[molten oasis]

Or Mirai bundle

[timber falcon]

still detroysd a ton if stuff

[supple ether]

Lets not forget shadow rider is 15 points fastee than flutter (150bspe)

[molten oasis]

So bundle can finally use an item

I also see ting Lu potentially coming back

Like a lot harder

[polar canyon]

Yeah miraidon can run timid max speed and the ability boost still goes to spatk unlike mane protosynthesis

[supple ether]

Kybogre?

[timber falcon]

against caly ghost and mirai tru

[molten oasis]

As a counter to ting Lu

[near crag]

I can't say I like restricted formats, but I sure am hyped to see what is there to come

[molten oasis]

Caly just Tera fairy Tera blast lol

[timber falcon]

i mean u can only use 2

[polar canyon]

Hyped for chi yu calyrex spam?

[timber falcon]

and it makes legandaries actually viable

[molten oasis]

I’m not hyped for that

[polar canyon]

I thought it started at 1

[supple ether]

I think the new sun setter (groudon get fucked lmao) and a viable e terrain setter is gonna make it super interesting

[molten oasis]

If I’m hyped for anything it’s zacian (I like zacian)

[timber falcon]

well idk about that, all i know is eventually u can use 2 restricted mons

[near crag]

it's bad, but there are counters for it

[polar canyon]

You can actually use quark drive without booster energy

[timber falcon]

ah yes the balanced mon

[timber falcon]

there are counters to everything

[molten oasis]

It’s not gonna be nearly as strong as gen 8

[timber falcon]

still broken

[supple ether]

Have you seen calyrex's stat line? Forget the doggo

[polar canyon]

Sash bundle with speed quark drive is real

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Pokémon No. 888: Zacian-Crowned

Types

Fairy/Steel

Abilities

Intrepid Sword

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/150/115/80/115/148

Total

700

Base Species

Zacian

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[timber falcon]

165....#

[molten oasis]

Caly is gross

[timber falcon]

thats disgustinh

why would gamefreak

[molten oasis]

Zacian I think also has an incredible stat spread still

Just not hitting as hard

[timber falcon]

why would gamefreak create such a monster?

[molten oasis]

Because gf doesn’t care

[polar canyon]

Why does zacian get to have 115 defenses, like it's supposed to be the attack one while zamazenta is the defender

[timber falcon]

fr

shouldnt have that defence

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 889: Zamazenta-Crowned

Types

Fighting/Steel

Abilities

Dauntless Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/120/140/80/140/128

Total

700

Base Species

Zamazenta

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

Zama gets 140 in both

[timber falcon]

they really hate zamazenta though

[polar canyon]

Zama got body press this gen 🧍‍♂️

[molten oasis]

BUT yea why does Zac have great natural bulk

[timber falcon]

oh damn

[supple ether]

+1 252+ Atk Zacian-Crowned Behemoth Blade vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Tera-Ice Calyrex-Ice Rider: 186-222 (89.8 - 107.2%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

[stone tide]

i never really played gen 8 much, but matches where it was legal almost entirely revolved around how you positioned your zacian, right?

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[polar canyon]

Who's playing max max defense tho

[timber falcon]

fr

[molten oasis]

I would not be surprised if intimidate is massive (assuming Zac becomes meta)

[timber falcon]

thats not a scary calyrex

[supple ether]

just pointing out +1 150base attack, 100 base power, SE attack doesnt guarantee kill ice rider

[timber falcon]

intimidate is already pretty huge

[polar canyon]

I will not be surprised when incineroar gets even more used because it hurts both calyrex if they don't tera too

[timber falcon]

also hurts zacian

[molten oasis]

Fr

[polar canyon]

Incin will be required

On every team

[molten oasis]

I might go test swords dance zacian when that comes around

[timber falcon]

this is a mean tactic

[supple ether]

-1 252+ Atk Tera-Ice Calyrex-Ice Rider Superpower vs. 236 HP / 68 Def Incineroar: 122-144 (61 - 72%) -- 94.9% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

Incin is too bulky fr

[molten oasis]

But it would work

[timber falcon]

idk, if i was any player and i see a zacian im rushing down immediately

[polar canyon]

Superpower tho?

[molten oasis]

Also, yea incin boutta skyrocket when that happens

[timber falcon]

tailwind will be very crucial

[molten oasis]

It’s bulky and it can just go on the offensive

[polar canyon]

Now try calyrex shadow and whatever coverage love you think might be common on it

[molten oasis]

GOUGING FIRE ZACIAN

[polar canyon]

With incin

[molten oasis]

Hehe I have my core for redirected

[timber falcon]

eq?

[polar canyon]

Not scarier than calyrex chi yu

[molten oasis]

No shit Sherlock

[timber falcon]

pao zacian?

[supple ether]

Precipice blaed go brrr; earthquakw go brrrr

[polar canyon]

Lando t:

[molten oasis]

Yk gambit gouging deals with the same thing

[timber falcon]

im 100% running groudon ngl

[supple ether]

SANDSEAR STOrM

Landy might make a comeback

[molten oasis]

Then it misses

[polar canyon]

Gonna have to be a scarf sandsear

[molten oasis]

I think lando I is a fraud

[polar canyon]

148 base speed

[timber falcon]

who gonna run that#

[supple ether]

Roaring mid from the announcers themselves

[molten oasis]

Well, it is

[polar canyon]

It is

[timber falcon]

nah roaring moon is pretty gud

[molten oasis]

It’s mid

[polar canyon]

Roaring mid from the moment it was allowed because mane was also allowed

[timber falcon]

ive been runnning it as my main flutter downer though lol

jolly moon + acro

[polar canyon]

It ohkos without tera?

[timber falcon]

yep

[molten oasis]

I doubt it

[timber falcon]

booster energy still active

[polar canyon]

Defensive mane?

[molten oasis]

Proof, I need proof

[timber falcon]

its an atck boost acro btw