competitive_discussion

[mighty stump]

But yet always second to Incin

[grizzled bronze]

same team won lol

[real prairie]

know what team to make for London now loool

[mighty stump]

When you build a good team

[grizzled bronze]

the team is too good i guess

[mighty stump]

Plus the piloting matters

I also think Flavio looked like he just waflled around tbh

[charred saddle]

oh the same team won both regionals?

[brazen bough]

Game isnt over yet

[grizzled bronze]

ggs

[charred saddle]

oo, didnt watch them

[brazen bough]

Ggs

[real prairie]

lets all hope for a Urshu ban in reg G 🙃

[charred saddle]

@mighty stump https://pokepast.es/981b9c9e1949b3d4

would u think LO with some more sp A investment worth more than specs?

overheat does pick up some important KOs tho

92 speed to reach 112, + TW outspeeds adamant scarfed shifu. energy ball ohko without tera

36 is first bump

[mighty stump]

Probably LO to benefit Fake Tears with flexibility

[brazen bough]

is wolfe's team like the perfect balance or something

[charred saddle]

hmm ill try

[twin kindle]

Tbh yeah it feels rlly good

[mighty stump]

I did say it

[charred saddle]

oh ur back at SV luna

[mighty stump]

Lol

[charred saddle]

wb

[twin kindle]

[mighty stump]

😎

[charred saddle]

master tofu. how much for direct coaching

lets meetup and coach me master

ez money

[twin kindle]

Masterr

[mighty stump]

As a real answer I considered $10 an hour lmao

5-10

But everything I say is free knowledge most of the time anyways

[charred saddle]

ye ye, more like into building

on like what to look for and all

[charred saddle]

ill be on your DMs soon

[mighty stump]

jsdhjds

But easiest tip for teambuilding: Find established scaffolding and the overlap it with your unique picks if you wanna be speshul

And obviously make sure that your mon has impactful options, being aware what it can do to potentially just improve an established team/archetpye/core in a direction you want it to go

Some sets are definitely better than others

[charred saddle]

yeah, the thing i dont like about teambuilding is that the moment u bring it to play, i realize theres this and that hole that is dumb

this team feels good now tho, just need to learn on playing it

[patent marsh]

https://x.com/WolfeyGlick/status/1751667449202676103?s=20

Wolfey (@WolfeyGlick) on X

Congratulations to Antonio S for winning a huge European tournament with my Charlotte team! Antonio won $6000, and all he had to do to get the team, practice replays, and a bunch of analysis was spend $10 on my Patreon - not a bad return on investment!

Twitter · Jan 28, 2024, 6:03 PM

the speed

[brazen bough]

im ngl

what were some of these games

https://x.com/Getafe_Esports/status/1751639490437722301?s=20

Getafe C.F. Esports (@Getafe_Esports) on X

Así se celebra el TOP 4 en Liverpool 😁 @KastyTP

Twitter · Jan 28, 2024, 4:12 PM

[grizzled bronze]

free ad for wolfey 😭

[twin kindle]

HELP

[mighty stump]

Lol

WCD

[patent marsh]

the sheer speed of him posting that makes the post even funnier

[twin kindle]

Wolfey is the mc

[true niche]

im worried turning up to an event then my pokemon gets nuzlocked'd, even through i did everything legitimately from hatching, ev training, bottle caps, mints, hyper training etc

[patent marsh]

nuzlocked?

[true niche]

apparently, people got their Pokémon removed even they were legitimate

removed

[patent marsh]

I think shud be fine

as long they're not obtained through raids

[true niche]

raids ? 🤨

why would that bring up red flags

[patent marsh]

ppl do hack raids for their stats etc

as long it's not obtained through a random raid online

you're probably omega safe

[tough idol]

I was stood behind him when he took this lmao

[karmic temple]

Who won liverpool

[chrome knot]

me

[karmic temple]

Congrats !! 🥰🥰🥰

World champ inc

God I fucking hate doing the pokedex but the things we do for paradoxes

And slow bear ig too now

[rustic mountain]

dude wasted no time

[bold geode]

[rustic mountain]

[tough idol]

6 DQs all Spain. 4 of the same P2 team

[patent marsh]

OOF

[real prairie]

I call it: "Kitte Naive" the opposite to a "Wolfe Glick" 🤣 https://pokepast.es/42f25d607f376bb3

just noticed i gave up on the Teras half way though but oh well lol

[mighty stump]

-calc 163/1.5

[gentle crag]

Result: 108.666667

[mighty stump]

-calc 109x1.5

[gentle crag]

Result: 163.500000

[mighty stump]

-calc 149/1.5

[gentle crag]

Result: 99.333333

[real prairie]

?

[fallen garden]

If you know, you know

(I do not)

[real prairie]

🤣

Looks like he CBA to open his calculator app

[timber falcon]

I’m not one to judge but this isn’t a good team right?

[real prairie]

I'd imagine not, literally only made it as a direct opposite to the Wolfe team

On paper it's a direct counter, in reality it'll probably get ran over

[timber falcon]

Oh lol

[real prairie]

I'm saying that, non of the mons are awful. Some of the items and tera are very questionable though

[timber falcon]

True like fling Ursh lol

[real prairie]

Haha that's it's only dark type physical move 🤣 with splash plate it's 90 base damage move

Never understood how. fling works, after used does it just do no damage? Lol

[kindred cypress]

What we thinking of the team?

Idk why but it won’t let me save pokepastes on my phone, and when I do my computer it won’t even load them

[mighty stump]

Knock Off over Crunch

Anything else over Araquanid

[real prairie]

Didn't fancy the tera poison sludge bomb lando?

Also I hate you for running porygon 🤣

[kindred cypress]

Like what, I don’t really know any other sweeper other than bears, and I don’t have any good ones

[brazen bough]

Lorb talon does so much damage

[real prairie]

TR sweeper?

[brazen bough]

No

Oh you aren’t talking to me

[real prairie]

What's Aranquid purpose lol

[kindred cypress]

Tr sweeper

[brazen bough]

Tr sweeper is araquanids role

[kindred cypress]

Liquidation gets doubled with his ability

[sour moat]

Always stinks when a cool looking Pokémon isn’t really good in competitive

[real prairie]

Surely it's just better to go with a Mon with better base stats for SpAtk or Atk?

Also water bubble doubles liquidation?

[kindred cypress]

Yea, and The only other tr sweeper really is ursa

[dapper crag]

Ability: Water Bubble

This Pokemon's offensive stat is doubled while using a Water-type attack. If a Pokemon uses a Fire-type attack against this Pokemon, that Pokemon's offensive stat is halved when calculating the damage to this Pokemon. This Pokemon cannot be burned. Gaining this Ability while burned cures it.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[real prairie]

Ah cool

[kindred cypress]

And water beats incin entei and ursa, and bug beats psyspam and dark types and rilla and whim

[real prairie]

Fair argument apart from the fact it's got dog offensive BS 🤔

Tera water lightning rod Rhyperior I've liked the look of as a TR sweep. Can run surf too

[maiden oak]

What are thoughts on this team? It's been doing very well for me so far, granted I'm low in ranking

[real prairie]

Gonna share the team?

[maiden oak]

Apparently I can't put in images

[kindred cypress]

Rillaboom

[kindred cypress]

Just post the pokepaste

[maiden oak]

Relicanth (M) @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Swift Swim
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 176 Atk / 252 Def / 80 Spe
Impish Nature

• Body Press
• Earthquake
• Iron Defense
• Stealth Rock

Pelipper (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tailwind
• Hurricane
• Protect
• Roost

Volbeat @ Red Card
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Substitute
• Light Screen
• Tail Glow
• Baton Pass

Heliolisk (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Dry Skin
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Thunder
• Hyper Voice
• Dark Pulse
• Weather Ball

Politoed (F) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Surf
• Protect
• Helping Hand
• Ice Beam

Marowak-Alola (M) @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Brick Break
• Flame Charge
• Knock Off
• Chip Away

[kindred cypress]

Not what I meant, but it’ll work

[maiden oak]

There we go.
My major success has come from getting Relicanth double defense and the speed boost from rain to take out most major threats

[real prairie]

What format is this? Lool

[maiden oak]

Idk 🤣
It wouldn't let me put anything and I panicked and did the first thing that worked 🤣

[real prairie]

I meant what game format is this being played on

[maiden oak]

Gen 9 national dex doubles
Poke on showdown

[real prairie]

Ah okay 🤣 was very confused, I can't comment, don't know what's good on national Dex

[maiden oak]

Good point
Maybe in the wrong place lol

[real prairie]

Who knows, might be some fellow ndex players in here, if not Smogon will have a forum for sure

[next stump]

damn back to back regional wins for the same team

[kindred cypress]

?

[next stump]

there was a regional that ended today

[kindred cypress]

Ah, same Pokémon that won charlotte

[next stump]

yeah, same exact team as far as i’m aware

[real prairie]

Yep identical to the point Wolfe claimed the winner was a sub 🤣

[autumn kelp]

lol

[lethal thistle]

flutters role here is speed control i don’t plan to use it as a sweeper but i will stick T landos Ev’s

[fringe kindle]

YOOOO RELICANTH TEAM

You sir are based

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 369: Relicanth

Types

Water/Rock

Abilities

Swift Swim, Rock Head, Sturdy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/90/130/45/65/55

Total

485

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[whole ibex]

I thought it was decent?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 752: Araquanid

Types

Water/Bug

Abilities

Water Bubble, Water Absorb (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

68/70/92/50/132/42

Total

454

Other Formes

Araquanid-Totem

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Ability: Water Bubble

This Pokemon's offensive stat is doubled while using a Water-type attack. If a Pokemon uses a Fire-type attack against this Pokemon, that Pokemon's offensive stat is halved when calculating the damage to this Pokemon. This Pokemon cannot be burned. Gaining this Ability while burned cures it.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[maiden oak]

@fringe kindle thank you sir. It's currently my most successful team and I've got 2 videos of him nearly fully sweeping teams

[gentle crag]

inaktha7171 has given 1 Gen Rep to chimes

[maiden oak]

@fringe kindle if you want to check out my videos with him check out my YT channel. It's the same as my name here

[mighty stump]

I still hate it

Id take Hydrapple over it

Far mroe useable

[whole ibex]

…

That was unnecessary

[mighty stump]

What do yo MEAN

[supple ether]

Im not wrong

[whole ibex]

You didn’t have to bring hydrapple into this

[mighty stump]

:c

[little plank]

New team I got to 1500 on showdown lol kinda wonky

https://pokepast.es/1893f5fe82e74db7

[whole ibex]

I’m a believer lol

[little plank]

Exeguttor expanding force is pretty nasty lol

and helping hand tera water tera blast onto incineroar is the most fun button press ever lmao

[supple ether]

That kills fr?

[little plank]

Yeah ive only had one live and it lived with like 4 hp

[maiden oak]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexdoubles-2046559914

Speaking of hydrapple

[smoky hawk]

I'm thinking to go back to torkoal lilligant. Pretty brutal combo and torkoal works against TR teams without you even needing to run TR

Do you often lead with those 2?

Wait, your flutter has ZERO sp atk? Is that an error?

[molten oasis]

I went over to see what you said Hydrapple would be better for and then read the remaining conversation

I am also on the side of araquanid being ass

However I’ll pass on water bubble on something else

That’s a very good ability and kinda carries it

[molten oasis]

Mm yes my least favorite thing it does

be a skill swap reliant mon

[minor panther]

hydrapple is not skill swap reliant

dragon tera fickle beam is peak funny

[molten oasis]

In the situation where it’s doing skill swap stuff with syrupsweet yes

THAT set heavily relies on Malamar getting a skill swap off

I currently think Hydra strives as a disruptive support or as some kind of bulky tr attacker

https://pokepast.es/666462b21cc8e1c0 here’s an example of a disruptor Hydra I use in a team with another off meta mon

[minor panther]

what was hydrapples ability other than syrup again

[molten oasis]

Regenerator

An infinitely better ability that actually gives it something to care about

[minor panther]

oh yeah

[molten oasis]

Cuz, Hydra is a niche Pokémon

It’s typing holds it back so much

Because it has everything else

Great stats, great ability, good movepool

I think in a lower powered format (like maybe gen 10 👀) it would prove to be stronger

[cyan smelt]

interesting, just found out that psychic noise on primarina becomes water type

useful for psychic immunities

[little plank]

Well that explains alot....

[little plank]

I lead them quite alot yeah, id honestly say its 50/50 between the indeedee / exeguttor and torkoal / lilligant

[little plank]

Heres some games of both leads lol

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2046631329

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2046634506-3wdm8b2jjqq02ghgonn4qzdvk7zd3cbpw

[mighty stump]

GGs btw, Idk why for the life of me I didn't bother bringing Incin.

50/50s are annoying.

[little plank]

That was you?? haha gg

[mighty stump]

I also wasn't expecting Heat Wave to kill

[little plank]

So far my absolutely 2 banes on this team is snarl and psyspam

[mighty stump]

I had Snarl Incin, which is why im questioning myself why I never lead it.

Or brought it at all for the matter

[little plank]

oh if you would have lead it I prob would have tera water helping hand tera blasted into it with exe lol but it usually hurts me later in the match

[mighty stump]

I'm well aware of that set

You're not the first exeggutor i've run into

[little plank]

It usually costs me the match though lol

[mighty stump]

Psyspam is the most annoying archetype, I don't know why they gave everything Expanding Force as well.

When you wanna test different picks

[little plank]

to bad they took it from indeedee thoough lol

[mighty stump]

It's still also a 50/50 comp that ive decided to overall not care about the MU since its a coinflip

I don't account for it teambuilding wise anymore and just write it off thanks to low usage

[little plank]

Makes sense

Do you think that team with exeguttor would do alright on cart ladder?

[mighty stump]

I mean

Probably

Lol

I took Snorlax to 1600s/1700s before dropping

Psyspam is probably the easiest thing to pilot on cart ladder imo

[little plank]

yeah I peaked at 1540 earlier playing it, so guess it doesnt hurt to try. I attempt to get atleast 1500 on showdown before making a team on cart lol

[mighty stump]

Most TR if not all TR teams make the opponent play on your terms anyways

So it doesn't matter what you run into cart wise

[little plank]

I almost feel like I should drop walking wake for ursaluna

[mighty stump]

id argue it doesn't matter what you run in the last 2 slots personally

If you have Psyspam/Lillikoal you already force a 50/50

Do waht you want for the last 2 slots

[little plank]

Exeguttor is to funny when you get like 5 berries in one game lol

Exegguttor*

[real prairie]

what annoys me is they didn't do the same with rising voltage, it gets the damage buff but not the multi target

[mighty stump]

Rising Voltage and Electric Terrain is almost meh anyways

And its Single Target

Which is far more manageable

[real prairie]

thats my point, would have been better as a double target considering its an exclusive move

[mighty stump]

Rather not

[real prairie]

feels like they learnt their lesson from expanding force and rising voltage is that

[mighty stump]

It released at the same time

[real prairie]

really? thought rising voltage was exclusive to raging bolt, my bad

[little plank]

Thunderclap is exclusive to raging bolt

[real prairie]

I made it as a joke and the Tera/moves are clearly that but as a boiler plate, the more and more i look at it I think its a decent team, thoughts @mighty stump

[cyan smelt]

in gen 8 a lot more mons had rising voltage

[real prairie]

ah fair

ignore me then lol

[real prairie]

One of my favourite moves, OHKO Urshu which is always nice

[mighty stump]

Roster wise it looks functional but the moves need changing

[real prairie]

Yeah the moves were just a joke to be direct counters to the Wolfe team lol

[cyan smelt]

i would start running darkshifu on my team but i have kingambit already

[knotty mirage]

Is there any viable electric terrain setter in this reg ?

[real prairie]

thunderous

[mighty stump]

Not even

Wasted move slot

Thundurus doesn';t even benefit from the Terrain cause its not grounded

[knotty mirage]

Oh damn

Really wish tapu koko is in SV

[real prairie]

you are welcome to run pincurchuin LOL

[knotty mirage]

I rather not

[cyan smelt]

If you run pincurchin you're only benefitting your opponent lol

[real prairie]

its a good prankster Terrain counter to PsySpam and gets up a nice volt switch into a future paradox mon or Raging bolt imo

[mighty stump]

No

and no

[dull ibex]

Waste of a moveslot

[mighty stump]

The benefit relative to other moves just isn't it

[dull ibex]

Rillaboom counters terrain better

[real prairie]

its not electric terrain though, that also counters sleep spamming and means you can run better items than safety goggles

[tough idol]

Doesn't counter Sleep if not grounded

[mighty stump]

Yeah but if I have Goggles I might as well be running Taunt as well which stops Rage Powder as well

[real prairie]

who is a viable taunt mon without prankster?

genuine question, not arguing the point 🙂

[cyan smelt]

Gyarados, flutter

Weezing

[real prairie]

flutter taunt is a new one

[cyan smelt]

I've seen it like once

[mighty stump]

Boom. Incin.

I've seen Taunt Urshifu.

[real prairie]

I have a taunt Urshu for singles

[real prairie]

I see where we are going with this and I dont like it

isn't Incin hella slow?

[mighty stump]

Taunters just need to be faster than what they're taunting.

[chrome knot]

it is actually

manual terrain & prankster weather is kinda annoying to navigate through

[mighty stump]

Personally, I just wouldnt, cause i'd rather design a proper plan rather than tack on something like E-Terrain just for Psyspam cause

What is Thundy doing after

[chrome knot]

oh i meant in general, would never consider using it

building to beat 1 team and being vulnerable to 80 others is kinda dumb

[real prairie]

on that note, the Kitte Naive works 🤣 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2046745681

Granted the person I played isn't the best pilot lol

[trim thicket]

if my pokemon has prankster, will it be prioritized?

[charred saddle]

yes

[mighty stump]

That's what Prankster does.

[trim thicket]

got it

is sableye good taunter?

[charred saddle]

if both are prankster, the faster speed moves first

whim is faster than torn, so torn can be taunted by it

before even setting tailwind

[trim thicket]

ohh

[sour moat]

Always love how whimsicott of all Pokémon being amazing in competitive
A lil ball of fluff yet it’s one of the best prankster mons lol

https://tenor.com/view/whimsicott-fountain-happy-pokemon-gif-9354342121656734359

[trim thicket]

is there a counter for taunt?

[mighty stump]

Oblivious, Mental Herb, or Anti-Priority if it;'s from a Prankster, or being a Dark-type since Pranksters can't affect Dark types.

[trim thicket]

Anti-Priority if it's from a Prankster - like what?

[mighty stump]

Armor Tail, Quick Guard, Psychic Terrain, Dazzling, Queenly Majesty.

[charred saddle]

does upper hand to taunt work?

[dapper crag]

Move: Upper Hand

Has a 100% chance to make the target flinch. Fails if the target did not select a priority move for use this turn, or if the target moves before the user.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

65

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Priority

3

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[charred saddle]

what about like TW or like sunny day stuffs

[mighty stump]

No

Upper Hand only affects Physical/Special moves.

[charred saddle]

[real prairie]

which has higher priorty, Upper Hand or Espeed?

[mighty stump]

Upper Hand.

-calc 157x1.5

[gentle crag]

Result: 235.500000

[polar canyon]

man

Ursaluna blood moon is like

So way too good

Feels so bad to play against and so good to win with

Get one trick one off and you're guaranteed at worst huge chip and at best an instant win

[maiden oak]

@polar canyon Funny I haven't had issues with Luna yet. But I've used him in ransoms and he is a unit

[tough idol]

Ridicule me if you will.

Utility Umberella Trick Ghold
Helping Hand Hearthflame
Specs Chi Yu

Trick Umb onto Chi Yu in Rain, or opposing RS Ursh, Archal, or onto Chi Yu to negate Dmg reduction and give Ghold Specs boost

Global Chal btw

[chrome knot]

what do if not raining

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/85737c6dd19de1c1 so the first 4 got me into 1500, so it’s a solid core. I’m looking for a 5th and a 6th to help with worse mu’s. Gambit is there atm but rn it feels weak to bulky snarl spam, pao+scarf shifu, kingambit/gouging Fire balance, and sun Torkoal tr. gambit is temporary for the time being. Thoughts on members and also the team as a whole?

I have tested hands, dengo, and bolt to varying levels of success

Oh and incin is kind of annoying

[willow vault]

Does anyone have any suggestions for dondozo partners, I’m just testing to see if I can improve the team I have.

For reference the team is Dondozo, Tatsugiri, Glimmora, Ogerpon (Grass only), Urshifu-Single Strike and Incineroar

Preferably I want something good into Urshifu single strike, as that seems to be the main problem matchup for me

[molten oasis]

Fluttermane

[willow vault]

Damn, pretty good argument

[molten oasis]

is your own single strike scarf banded or sash?

[willow vault]

Sash

[molten oasis]

mk

[willow vault]

You suggest something else?

[molten oasis]

you can close combat the opposing one

[willow vault]

Yeah I know just want to have options open so that I’m aware

[molten oasis]

if its scarf you kill it if its sash switch or see if you win the sucker mirror

thats fair

[timber falcon]

I swear rng is literally waiting for u to be in the worst situation to miss ever

[molten oasis]

you can also do tera fairy rocky helm dozo

[timber falcon]

And then it’ll miss

[molten oasis]

both shifus dont like that variant of dozo at all

[willow vault]

I’ve been using Tera grass but have been looking into Tera fairy

[timber falcon]

I thought tera grass is the best one wight?

Right*

[molten oasis]

there is not an objectively best tera for dozo rn imo

its depends on what your team struggles with

[timber falcon]

Idk cause spore hard counters most dozos

So grass looking good

[molten oasis]

in the situation that you feel weak to opposing single strike you should be doing tera fairy

[willow vault]

Grass allows for a much better matchup into amoongus, Tera fairy can help if you have good ways to redirect amoongus

[timber falcon]

Why would a single strike even make h feel weak

[molten oasis]

if you feel weak to amoonguss then you do grass

[molten oasis]

wicked blow ignores defense boosts

[willow vault]

It crits through boosts

[timber falcon]

Oh I see

[molten oasis]

so shifu+partner 2hkos it

if its banded or glasses it just 2hkos in general

[willow vault]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

or tera dark

[willow vault]

I just barely live from banded wicked blow with Tera dark

[molten oasis]

lol, yea single strike hits very hard

what do you feel more weak to, shifu or amoonguss?

[willow vault]

But I have calc, I know why, it’s because I want to outpace flutters that run just enough speed to outpace Ogerpon

[molten oasis]

also a paste would be very nice

[willow vault]

Currently single strike, but I have ways to deal with both it’s just having to play better against single strike

[molten oasis]

can i see a paste as well so i can take a look at the team in its entirety

[willow vault]

Yeah just about to paste it

https://pokepast.es/9c5b34bb4b0760bf

[molten oasis]

oh, wouldnt pon be good into single strike?

you look more weak to amoonguss tbh

[willow vault]

Fair enough

[willow vault]

It’s more I lack resistances to fighting

[molten oasis]

theres lots of grass tera which is fine

[willow vault]

I didn’t know what Tera to give glimmora

[molten oasis]

grass is fine

you could do goggles incin instead of sitrus

you have an answer to urshifu rapid with tealpon

[willow vault]

That could be good

[willow vault]

You’re right I’m just worrying for no reason

[molten oasis]

wait your covert cloak?

[willow vault]

Yeah?

[molten oasis]

why are you covert cloak on a tealpon?

is that whats been being used?

[willow vault]

It’s just been a common item, I wasn’t sure what to give it

[molten oasis]

oh ok

yea dont do cloak

[willow vault]

Oh

[molten oasis]

tealpon doesn't want cloak because of defiant

[willow vault]

Does prevent fake out which is nice

[molten oasis]

if you get a speed drop or a spA drop you then get a +2 boost to your physical attack

[willow vault]

I know

[molten oasis]

just spiky shield

i wouldn't do cloak, i forgot what tealpon is using hold on

[charred saddle]

i think some does razor claw?

for the guaranteed crit

[willow vault]

I don’t want razor claw that much

[charred saddle]

im not saying urs tho haha

[willow vault]

I know

[molten oasis]

yea razor claw, life orb, or scope would be good

cloak is at 5% tho like, why???

love not getting my defiant boosts on my defiant mon

[willow vault]

I don’t know, it was my first time using the mon

I’m going with razor claw, it’s probably my preference

[molten oasis]

im not directing this towards you, its towards everyone else lol

i just dont understand it

anyway i hope that works out for you

[willow vault]

Hopefully

[next stump]

you run taunt + cloak to deny set up pokémon on some dozo teams

[willow vault]

Oh

I like the move I have currently, superpower really helps into Urshifu-single strike and also allows it to beat kingambit that otherwise walls it

[fringe kindle]

You know what else helps with Urshifu?

Minior ;)

[willow vault]

What

Primarina?

No

[real prairie]

im seeing some people run ice spinner urshu and im intreaged

[willow vault]

Beats Dragonite with inner focus

Helps with removing terrain

[real prairie]

im thinking its a brilliant psyspam counter with the right tera

[willow vault]

You could just use Urshifu-single strike if your worried about psyspam

[real prairie]

I canny do that

Only have 1 Urshu

[willow vault]

Yeah so you can use Urshifu-single strike instead of Urshifu-rapid strike depended on what your team needs

[real prairie]

No, I only have 1 Urshu in my game 🤣

cant swap forms

[willow vault]

Oh fair enough

Use chien-pao with ice spinner, it’s dark type so it is immune to psychic moves and then ice spinner removes terrain, in addition it boosts urshifus damage output

[real prairie]

Yeah thats the obvious go to, just was intreagued about running it on Urshu instead

[willow vault]

But why?

[real prairie]

could be more useful than Aqua Jet

[willow vault]

Then you immediately lose to raging bolt

[real prairie]

If its a 1v1 raging bolt is slapping you anyway, plus Ice Spinner is SE on Rbolt anyway

[willow vault]

Ok, you’re choice

[real prairie]

thats a polite way of saying "stop being an idiot and listen" and I appreciate it 🤣 point taken

[willow vault]

That was the goal

[smoky hawk]

Is anyone having success with whims + terrakion?

[supple ether]

Someone here got it to mb rank, but lord that combo is turbo bad rn

[polar canyon]

Worst part about it is how long it takes for the turn to end while it sets up with beat up

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/8cf2edcb173dadda going for an actual playing to win competitive team, any thoughts?

It’s not done

[chrome knot]

spiky shield on your pon please

[supple ether]

I think sash is typically preferred over glasses though if you have a particular calc youre aiming for should be fine

[molten oasis]

The times I see it they either give up speed control or give up the bu

[molten oasis]

Do not run uturn plz

Run spiky shield on pon

Rillaboom @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 196 HP / 172 Atk / 4 Def / 60 SpD / 76 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Wood Hammer
• Grassy Glide
• Fake Out
• U-turn

Replace sitrus for av if you want

Farigiraf @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 204 HP / 108 Def / 52 SpA / 140 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Psychic
• Hyper Voice
• Helping Hand
• Trick Room

Here’s a Fari spread

Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 140 HP / 108 Def / 68 SpA / 4 SpD / 188 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Dazzling Gleam
• Shadow Ball
• Power Gem here’s a flutter spread

[timber falcon]

Ok

[molten oasis]

And i think sash is better on single strike but black glasses also works

[timber falcon]

Yeah I was wondering what would work

[molten oasis]

Also iron head over crunch on entei

[timber falcon]

I don’t want a speedy Rilla

[polar canyon]

Nice mane

Does that get proto on speed or spatk?

[molten oasis]

Then lose fake out wars

[timber falcon]

It’s a tr team

[molten oasis]

SpA

[polar canyon]

Nice

[molten oasis]

It’s a what now?

[timber falcon]

Kinda, not fully

[polar canyon]

It's nice to have options when you can't have tr up

[timber falcon]

I make kinda trick room teams

[molten oasis]

That’s not a tr team that’s a balance team lol

You hardly have a tr mode here

[polar canyon]

Yeah where are the tr mons other than farig

[molten oasis]

Everything is above 80 base speed

Id replace flutter for a Bloodmoon Ursa

[polar canyon]

If it's an option to revert opposing tr that's cool but I don't think it's really a tr team

[molten oasis]

Or actually, entei, replace entei here imo

[fringe kindle]

Yeah, switch it with Raikou instead

It's the best one :)

[molten oasis]

No switch it with Bloodmoon wtf does raikou do here

He needs a Mon to abuse tr

[polar canyon]

Entei, rillaboom and no chien-pao is funny

[fringe kindle]

He's a cool tiger

[molten oasis]

Rilla without pao is fine

[fringe kindle]

And also he's awesome 😎👍

[polar canyon]

Why use the cool tiger when you can use the giraffe tiger dinosaur thing

[molten oasis]

Entei without pao is, idk it seems underwhelming in paper

[polar canyon]

Yeah rilla doesn't need chien but really appreciates it

[molten oasis]

The giraffe tiger dinosaur is cooler and better

[fringe kindle]

Raikou, Long Raikou, potato potahto

[timber falcon]

for who?

[fringe kindle]

Both are Raikou

[molten oasis]

Bloodmoon Ursa

[timber falcon]

why?

[polar canyon]

Because it's good in trick room

[molten oasis]

It gives you something to abuse tr

And Bloodmoon is very strong rn

[timber falcon]

tru tru

also heres my main team

https://pokepast.es/46b4271381905e07#

[molten oasis]

Also, maybe consider incin over flutter so you get fwg

Smeargle? Ig it’s fine here

[charred saddle]

i mean if its tei with no pao, u can kinda run AV set to deal with psypsams

[molten oasis]

It’s banded

[timber falcon]

im thinking paotei tbh

[polar canyon]

I like using sinistcha with tr setup for trick room strats

[charred saddle]

yeah i mean as in other choice, and i still think LO tei does better since you can change in between sacred fire, e speed and stomp

[molten oasis]

Then do paotei, Fariluna, and then rilla and flutter or shifu

[polar canyon]

It doesn't have priority prevention but has really nice utility

[timber falcon]

this is why i have roaring moon in my team

i hate sinistcha

[molten oasis]

Why?

[timber falcon]

healing

[supple ether]

[timber falcon]

i hate to go agaisnt it

[molten oasis]

Oh

I thought it was a hate with using it

[polar canyon]

The hardest part about using sinistcha is that team preview doesn't show if urshifu is single strike or rapid strike

[timber falcon]

also whats wrong with u turn?

[molten oasis]

Uturn on waterpon does like nothing for it

[polar canyon]

Not that it's bad, just that protection is much better

[molten oasis]

Like, just hard switch

And it wants a protecting move

[timber falcon]

youd be suprised, it allows me to crit other water pons, and hot rillas good

whilst swapping

[molten oasis]

Yk what you hit with waterpon

horn leech

[polar canyon]

And spiky shield is like protect but slightly better

[timber falcon]

its neutral

[molten oasis]

Yk what you hit a firepon with icy cudgel

[timber falcon]

i guess

[molten oasis]

It’s neutral that’s fine

Here’s the thing

[polar canyon]

I could swear water resisted bug

[molten oasis]

If they Tera it becomes se

[timber falcon]

this is wrong

[molten oasis]

True

[polar canyon]

Oh well

[molten oasis]

Anyway, spiky shield always

[timber falcon]

ok ill go spiky

any other thoughts on the team?

[molten oasis]

Uturn on the pons is very eh unless you’re like, banded tealpon

[polar canyon]

It's only worth dropping if you want to use swords dance but you're still better off dropping follow me for that

[timber falcon]

drop folloe me?

idk '

[molten oasis]

Yea just drop follow me if you do swords dance

[timber falcon]

nah its a defensive pon

[polar canyon]

Just saying

[molten oasis]

Then follow me

[polar canyon]

If you were to use an offensive pon

It would be better to drop follow me than spiky shield

[molten oasis]

Send the paste again plz

[timber falcon]

also ive been noticing single ursh seems to be better than surging

is it time i make a 180?

[molten oasis]

Because it has very little counterplay

Or at least less than rapid strike does

[timber falcon]

ima test it with same ivs and item effect and moves

just to see

[polar canyon]

If I could change one thing about the game it would be the fact that you can't tell what form of urshifu it is from team preview because that's stupid

Don't even nerf it

[molten oasis]

It is stupid

[polar canyon]

Just let it be seen from preview

[timber falcon]

yeah that feature sucks

and for players who dont know like i used to, i always assumed it was single

[polar canyon]

No I always assume it's surging

I mean I don't assume it is

I always hope it is

[supple ether]

The bear needs the buff, trust me

[polar canyon]

Nuh uh

[molten oasis]

You can’t always assume it’s surging anymore

[knotty mirage]

I wonder what gonna happen if team preview doesn't exist will it makes zoroark more used

[polar canyon]

Imagine if you couldn't see the form of ogerpon from preview

[molten oasis]

Id rather die than not have team preview

[timber falcon]

tbh i might keep surging

overall damage wise surging takes it for me

[polar canyon]

I mean

[molten oasis]

Bolt, although still plenty strong, was a big reason for the shifu change

[polar canyon]

Technically it's the same damage

[timber falcon]

potential

surging can be buffed with rain

[supple ether]

I still think darkshifu shouldve kept the 5 damage edge

[molten oasis]

Eh, that nerf was fine tbh

[knotty mirage]

Fell little bit unfair darkshifu got nerf but surging doesn't

[polar canyon]

Still a 110 bp move with the crit

[supple ether]

For competitive as a whole probably, but surging strikes is just objectively better on offense 99% of the time -- darkshifu is living in his bro's shadow

[molten oasis]

Soooo

[polar canyon]

It was so the base power of their moves is the same

[timber falcon]

not anymoew

[molten oasis]

I disagree with that

[polar canyon]

Surging strikes is 75 power

[timber falcon]

in most torneys dark urshi has been taking the lead

[molten oasis]

Yea

[polar canyon]

People learned how to deal with rapid strike

[molten oasis]

Single strike funnily enough can click wicked blow a lot more than rapid strike can click surging strikes

[supple ether]

Nah I mean, like, in a vacuum. Hitting 3 times > hitting once a vast majority of the time

[molten oasis]

In a vacuum, they still hit for the same amount of damage

They’re both 75 bp*1.5 bcuz of crit

[polar canyon]

In a vacuum dark still has a better typing offensively

[timber falcon]

surging is one of my fave chien pao destroyers

[polar canyon]

+sucker punch

Sucker punch is a big deal

[timber falcon]

rain aqua jet + tera hits like a van

[molten oasis]

Imagine if surging got sucker punch

[polar canyon]

Sucker punch + tera hits more with less setup

[timber falcon]

but can be avoided easily

aqua jet cannot

[molten oasis]

Single needs less resources to use

[polar canyon]

Also there's a lot more that can tank or resist surging strikes than wicked blow

[molten oasis]

Yep

[timber falcon]

ive never had a game where i havent just obliterated non sash flutters with aqua jet

[molten oasis]

We can kinda thank bolt for the change

[timber falcon]

tru i guess

[timber falcon]

smeargle victim

[molten oasis]

What?

I run goggles good luck sporing my bolt

[timber falcon]

follow me is all i need

[molten oasis]

🫵

[polar canyon]

Smeargle is funny but ironically predictable

[timber falcon]

trick room smeargle got ppl swearing at me

the tailwind "nuh uh"

[molten oasis]

Oh no, eat a Draco meteor

[timber falcon]

sash

all u get is a drop in sp atck

[polar canyon]

It can't eat tbolt either

[molten oasis]

It can’t eat 2 tbolts true

[timber falcon]

it cant eat mosyt things lol

[molten oasis]

See that’s just not true

[polar canyon]

It can't really do much

[molten oasis]

Smeargle is incredibly frail

[timber falcon]

multi strike moves are its kryptonite

[polar canyon]

I like topsy turvy on it it's a fun surprise gimmick for closed team sheet

[molten oasis]

Ah yes, so shifu lmfao

[polar canyon]

Still thinking about the time I used topsy turvy on the +2 atk +1 spdef ogerpon and they forfeit instantly

[molten oasis]

Yes that’s awful bulk, and stats all around

[polar canyon]

Yeah that's proving the point

[knotty mirage]

It's nice bolt do keep watershifu in check but i don't really like thunderclap mind games

[timber falcon]

smeargle was 100% not meant to be used lol

[timber falcon]

i win mine half the time

[polar canyon]

I mean I think it was very much meant to be used

[molten oasis]

Well neither was hydrspple and that’s what I use

[polar canyon]

It just would be incredibly op if it had good stats

[molten oasis]

Oh, expect a rental tomorrow y’all, think I got a team ready for hydra

[timber falcon]

just curious but whats your team?

[molten oasis]

I keep my promises

[polar canyon]

Hydrapple

[molten oasis]

Actually

You can wait until tomorrow 🫵

[knotty mirage]

I mean i do win it too but it just Stretch the games for too long sometimes

[molten oasis]

If you saw it congrats

[polar canyon]

Too late I opened it

[molten oasis]

You got a sneak peak

[polar canyon]

That Hydrapple is giving me amoonguss fr ong

[molten oasis]

Shut up

[timber falcon]

that bolt looks hard to kill lmao

bolts bulk is insane

[molten oasis]

Yea it’s crazy

[timber falcon]

i feel like quiting compet whenever i somehow lose to an amoongus spore spammer

[polar canyon]

Ive come to really appreciate grassy terrain + lefties on bulky mons

[molten oasis]

I need to probably find something for gambit gouging stuff tho, that’s a poor mu I want to try and solve before I post it

[polar canyon]

One turn of protect and you get so much health

[timber falcon]

by the way, how does rng work in pokemon?

[supple ether]

Bolt suffers a little from amfad syndrome, especially with a calm mind set tho doesnt it?

[supple ether]

Rngesus descends from the heaven and blesses you or your opponent

Shrimple as that

[timber falcon]

i swear crits happen when u dont want them to, and misses happen in crucial moments

[polar canyon]

Crits are more likely to happen when they don't matter and it's proven by science

[supple ether]

A perspective shift you can have with accuracy moves is that by running a move without 100% accuracy, you're saying the games that you'll win with the increased power/coverage will outweigh the games you'll lose to misses

[polar canyon]

It misses more when it matters

Especially heat wave

[timber falcon]

for instance today i was losing a game with a yellow urshi, his mons where torn and single strike, single in red and torn in yellow, i aqua jet torn and it doesnt kill so i hover above forfeit, he hit cc getting me to red and missed bleakewind. i aqua jet the urshi AND BLEAKWIND MISSED AGAIN. theres gotta be some bot that makes this happen

its an freaking 80% accuracy

[polar canyon]

What do you mean with those colors

[timber falcon]

hp

[supple ether]

Bleakwind storm doodoo

Aur cutter superiority

[timber falcon]

idk why people run bleakiwind without rain dance as an option

[knotty mirage]

The reason i prefer to set rain first before using bleakwind

[timber falcon]

fr

[knotty mirage]

I get it ussualy waste of turn but there a chance you will just do nothing in that turn if bleakwind miss

[molten oasis]

Yep

Unfortunately I’ve lost games I was winning because of rock slides and heat waves missing

Also for those who got a sneak peak at the new rental don’t say anything else about it thanks

[timber falcon]

lost a game to double rock slide flinch

[molten oasis]

Ooof

[timber falcon]

on gholdengo, one of the mons that could decimate most rock slide mons

btw what happend to iron hnads?

[molten oasis]

Incineroar and lando I ruined its life

[timber falcon]

incin????

just drain punch

lando i get but incin?

[molten oasis]

Yea, that drain punch hits like a wet noodle at -1

[timber falcon]

oof

cause after locking my smeargle team last night i ran random games with random mons i had, and ppl struggled with hands + specs flutter

even taking care of incins

[molten oasis]

-1 156+ Atk Iron Hands Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 156 Def Incineroar: 86-104 (42.5 - 51.4%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery lmao

And also parting shot ruins its life as well

[supple ether]

Clear amulet

[molten oasis]

Incin was able to fight kyogre

[supple ether]

CA swords dance could clap cheeks

[molten oasis]

Have fun fighting fluttermane

[supple ether]

Tera steel heavy slam ez

[molten oasis]

But also hands is rarely getting a fake out nowadays

[supple ether]

Tho maybw not steel

[molten oasis]

Incin and rillaboom just get it faster most of the time

[willow vault]

Still get absolutely clapped by Lando-I

[supple ether]

I think hands has a neutral flutter matchup

[molten oasis]

If it’s av

Otherwise you explode to specs mane

[supple ether]

Lemme find a calc

[molten oasis]

220 SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 76 HP / 252 SpD Iron Hands: 246-290 (102.9 - 121.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Tera fairy ALWAYS ohkos

36+ SpA Choice Specs Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 76 HP / 252 SpD Iron Hands: 316-372 (132.2 - 155.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

That’s the lowest spA invest I’ve seen on a flutter

And it still explodes hands

[willow vault]

That was the investment I used to use

[polar canyon]

That's why I swapped it for protect

[molten oasis]

I still think you run fake out

But I think hands is just mid now

I played with a clesr smulet one it just loses to the landos and fluttermane

[willow vault]

Yeah, you lacks significant value without fake out

[supple ether]

Nah still a neutral matchup
220 SpA Choice Specs Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane Shadow Ball vs. 84 HP / 108 SpD Tera-Flying Iron Hands: 121-144 (50.4 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

You ohko in return always

[molten oasis]

Tera reliant

And I don’t like early Tera’s personally

[polar canyon]

You don't but a lot of people do

[supple ether]

You only die if they tera tho

[molten oasis]

Yea it’s something I use to my advantage

[supple ether]

Id they dont tera, you kill. If you both tera, you kill

[polar canyon]

Clear amulet tera flying hands appreciator

[supple ether]

The only way you lose is to teammate or poor tera

[molten oasis]

Well, you’re still half health on a hands but I see your point

And that’s if you run slam, cuz lando is also a problem

[willow vault]

Being tera reliant is ok, into Pokémon which don’t have around 50% usage. Your just putting an enormous target on your back and being forced into using your biggest asset in a battle every time is going to lose you games

[supple ether]

Maybe

[molten oasis]

Yea exactly

[supple ether]

I mean he's not used for a reason, but I dont think he's bad by any means

[molten oasis]

No he’s still good, it got 3rd st Charlotte

But it fell off for a reason

It got power crept, for now

I wonder if we’ll see anything in reg g

Since I’m guessing that’s the start of restricted

[willow vault]

Trust me, I used to make the same mistake, being forced into a Tera makes it very difficult to be consistent into team comps, notably when something like flutter is good on nearly all of them

[polar canyon]

Gotta love it getting outshadowed by incineroar as the fake out lead and countered by it

[supple ether]

Rising voltage raging bolt will (or at least has potential to) destroy everything

[dapper crag]

Move: Rising Voltage

If the current terrain is Electric Terrain and the target is grounded, this move's power is doubled.

Type

Electric

Category

Special

Power

70

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[willow vault]

Groudon

[supple ether]

It ohkos 252/252+ AV kyogre

[molten oasis]

Yeaaaa

Why would you run miraidon and raging bolt on the same team

[supple ether]

Could be with thundurus

Thundy already decently strong

[molten oasis]

That’s not even that much better

They both lose to paonite stuff

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1008: Miraidon

Types

Electric/Dragon

Abilities

Hadron Engine

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/100/135/115/135

Total

670

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

Oh jeez that’s insane bulk

[supple ether]

im gonna hold out hope

[molten oasis]

Sure

[polar canyon]

You could finally do like sash/covert bundle with speed quark drive

[willow vault]

Feel hope now, it probably won’t last

[molten oasis]

Yea I think bundle will have usage with miraidon

[willow vault]

Yep

[polar canyon]

I wonder if kyogre might be less used if koraidon starts getting use

[molten oasis]

No that just means weather wars

[polar canyon]

With the sun ability

It's definitely gonna be more used than groudon

[molten oasis]

And actually, koraidon is better than groudon

[willow vault]

If I had to guess, Groudon + Xerneas will continue to be extremely strong

[molten oasis]

Xerneas is dead

[willow vault]

Depends on the needs

[molten oasis]

There is no xerneas this gen

(Thank god fuck xerneas)

[polar canyon]

Xerneas was dead when zacian came out too

[willow vault]

Is it not in sv?

[molten oasis]

That was more Dynamax

Not really zacian

[polar canyon]

Zacian played a part

[molten oasis]

Yep it is not in sv (thank god)

[gentle crag]

drayagedrago has given 1 Gen Rep to crephace

[polar canyon]

Lol

[molten oasis]

Bruh

[willow vault]

True, but like I like Yveltal, so especially hate Xerneas

[molten oasis]

Sorry I will pass on dealing with +2 Tera fsiry attacks from that thing

Even if no bacon birb

?

[polar canyon]

Band xerneas play rough is funny

[willow vault]

Sad that there is no bacon bird

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 716: Xerneas

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Fairy Aura

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

126/131/95/131/98/99

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[willow vault]

Huh so Groudon is going to struggle a lot now

[polar canyon]

Like people forget that xerneas has much attack as special attack

[molten oasis]

Thing with groudon is it’s inconsistent

[polar canyon]

Why use groudon now that you can use koraidon

[willow vault]

Geomancy is just dumb (I did not mean Germany)

[molten oasis]

Precipice blades is so inconsistent

[willow vault]

If Xerneas was in the game (it’s not), Ground and fairy coverage is extremely potent together offensively

[dapper crag]

Move: Precipice Blades

No additional effect.

Type

Ground

Category

Physical

Power

120

Accuracy

85

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

Well it’s more consistent than bleakwind

[supple ether]

0+ SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift (Super Effective) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Kyogre in Electric Terrain: 144-171 (69.5 - 82.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift (Super Effective) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Kyogre in Electric Terrain: 222-263 (107.2 - 127%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Miraidon in Rain: 71-84 (40.5 - 48%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Miraidon in Rain: 117-138 (66.8 - 78.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Miraidon: 168-198 (81.1 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[molten oasis]

Yk Zac ogre probably isn’t going anywhere

Even if Zac got a big nerf to its ability

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 888: Zacian-Crowned

Types

Fairy/Steel

Abilities

Intrepid Sword

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/150/115/80/115/148

Total

700

Base Species

Zacian

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[willow vault]

Yeah well Zacian got a nerf, and I think it may actually be impactful

[molten oasis]

Those stats are still actually insane

[willow vault]

Yeah

[supple ether]

Bulkier than miraidon

[molten oasis]

Insane bulk speed and attack

[supple ether]

Faster too

[willow vault]

Is Calyrex in the game?

[molten oasis]

I think zacian will still be around, which is fine with me I like zacian

unfortunately yes

[supple ether]

Glastrier could see a comeback

[willow vault]

Why like it, it’s stupid

[polar canyon]

Well it got nerfed so it's less stupid now

[molten oasis]

Get rid of your gen 8 hatred

And appreciate it for its design

[polar canyon]

Still stupid

[willow vault]

I reckon shadow rider calyrex will continue to be very good

[molten oasis]

Oh it threatens fluttermane

[willow vault]

I don’t like its design

[polar canyon]

If I'm gonna appreciate a design I prefer zamazenta

[molten oasis]

It forces flutter to speed booster

[willow vault]

It’s just a dog with a sword

[polar canyon]

Also body press zamazenta is a thing now

[molten oasis]

Okay

We’re using that fucking argument

[willow vault]

I’m not forced to like a Pokémon’s design

[molten oasis]

No that’s fine

that argument is stupid

Zama is a dog with a shield

[willow vault]

Maybe but it’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it

[willow vault]

Never said it was great either

[molten oasis]

Flamigo is a literal flamingo

[willow vault]

Yep

[molten oasis]

I don’t have more example atm

[willow vault]

We can continue this pointless argument or just move on and know I dislike the gen 8 legendaries

[molten oasis]

I still will die in the hill that “it’s just a blank with a blank” or “it’s just a blank” is a dumb argument

And yes, I’m fine with that

[willow vault]

It is dumb, but again it’s my opinion.

[molten oasis]

I will like zacian, y’all can hate on zacian

[willow vault]

Cool

I wonder what will be common place, I would assume for restricteds it will be kyogre, Zacian, calyrex-shadow and miraidon. Have I missed any other meta warping mons?

[molten oasis]

Koraidon

[polar canyon]

Koraidon is gonna be a sun team staple

Koraidon + mane is a start

[molten oasis]

I think korai mane will be an answer to caly shadow

[willow vault]

Yeah fair

[willow vault]

With what attacks (I actually don’t know)

[supple ether]

Adamant calyrex 2hkos (82-97%) bulky spatk booster flutter, and gets 2hkod in return (78-93%)

Im excited for ice rider to return, he's my fav

[polar canyon]

I wonder if caly ice + blood moon can be a thing

[molten oasis]

Shadow ball the caly with speed boost specs next to koraidon

[polar canyon]

After playing against it with dynamax I'm not excited for calyrex

[willow vault]

Oh I thought you meant just koraidon

[molten oasis]

No one is lol

I hate caly on paper

I never fought it in swsh

[polar canyon]

Fighting calyrex with tera is gonna be tough

[willow vault]

Fair enough

[molten oasis]

Yea, sucker ain’t going out as much to Ohko

[polar canyon]

Tera fairy tera blast caly shadow will be a thing

[molten oasis]

Eww

[willow vault]

I feel like Tornadus support will allow it to be completely dumb

[molten oasis]

yeaaa, fuck Tornadus

[willow vault]

Just stops all booster flutter + scarf mons

[supple ether]

You mean 100/165/150/85/130/50 isnt a fair and balanced stat spread?

[willow vault]

I’m a little scared

[supple ether]

[molten oasis]

That’s the ice one right

[polar canyon]

Yeah

[supple ether]

Ye

[molten oasis]

Yea fuck that

How do you kill that thing

[supple ether]

With 2 abilities: moxie and unnerve to boot?

[willow vault]

Fissure

[molten oasis]

Lol

[willow vault]

Just don’t miss

[polar canyon]

You mean 130 base power spread physical ice move with 100 accuracy and no drawback isn't fair?

Imagine

[molten oasis]

You mean 130 base power spread special ghost move with 100 accuracy and no drawback isn’t fair?

[polar canyon]

The ghost one is 120

[willow vault]

Well yeah that’s completely fair

[molten oasis]

Why

[dapper crag]

Move: Astral Barrage

No additional effect.

Type

Ghost

Category

Special

Power

120

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[willow vault]

I’m being sarcastic

[dapper crag]

Move: Glacial Lance

No additional effect.

Type

Ice

Category

Physical

Power

120

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[supple ether]

Glacial lance guarantees 2hko tinglu (69-81%)

[molten oasis]

They’re both 120

[supple ether]

And yall thought make it rain was bad

What if it boosted your spatk by 1 instead?

[willow vault]

Fissure always OHKO, so if I don’t miss you always lose

[supple ether]

[molten oasis]

sigh restricted is gonna suck

[willow vault]

Maybe

Restricted is always a funny time

[molten oasis]

1 wrong move could easily cost you an entire match

[knotty mirage]

I seen alot of shadow calyrex on casual and yeah that thing is stupid

[willow vault]

Still true rn

[molten oasis]

Not as much

There’s a little room for error

[supple ether]

Is there any pokemon that can survive a lifeorb 252+ tera ice glacial lance?

[molten oasis]

There like Mon in restricted

[supple ether]

(that can thresten calyrex in return)

[molten oasis]

Kingambit

[supple ether]

Ooooh lemme check

[willow vault]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

Kingambit good since day 1

[willow vault]

Probably Heatran

[molten oasis]

Yea heatran

Gholdengo

[willow vault]

I don’t know what Gholdengos bulk looks like

[molten oasis]

Incineroar lmao

[willow vault]

Entei

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1000: Gholdengo

Types

Steel/Ghost

Abilities

Good as Gold

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

87/60/95/133/91/84

Total

550

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

It’s good

[willow vault]

Better than I realised

Focus sash Urshifu

[molten oasis]

I would imagine it’ll run high horsepower

[polar canyon]

Cant wait for tera fight caly ice

[molten oasis]

Tera fighting?

[willow vault]

Flutter

[polar canyon]

If gambit is its biggest counter

[molten oasis]

Flutter explodes to it lmao

[knotty mirage]

Caly ice should be easier to check with intimidate

But chien pao exist so yeah idk

[molten oasis]

clear amulet

[willow vault]

But if it’s Tera fighting, it also explodes and it’s slower

[knotty mirage]

Because sword of ruin with glacial lance is yeah

[polar canyon]

People could run wisp on incin to threaten caly ice

I know I might do that

[molten oasis]

I think there’s reason to believe it’ll kill a calyrex

[charred saddle]

CA ez

[polar canyon]

Oh yeah beads of ruin caly shadow

[molten oasis]

And like tbf, lando t can do some good damage and where is it now

[molten oasis]

Shut up don’t remind me of that combo

[knotty mirage]

Clear amulet mean no life orb boost damage so no complain there

[willow vault]

Huh that’s a great idea

[molten oasis]

[polar canyon]

It's the obvious idea

[willow vault]

Yeah and I’m dumb so what

[polar canyon]

Mane chi yu on stereoids

[charred saddle]

still a very high base power move and means no intim = even 1 kill gives snowball with no stopping you

[molten oasis]

How to win, scarf chi yu and max speed caly

[polar canyon]

And on meth

[molten oasis]

Literally restricted will have a lot of no brain stuff

[polar canyon]

And you can't just sucker punch it if it runs tera fairy

[molten oasis]

Cuz it’s gonna be so easy to explode everything

[supple ether]

0HP/252+ tera ice 96.6-114.4 (81.3% chance ohko) with superpower vs 252/252+ tera steel iron head 84.5-100.5 (6.3% chance to ohko)

Heatran suffers a similar fate with either superpower or stomping tantrum. (Cant ohko in return tho)

252+ life orb make it rain vs 0/0 calyrex tera ice does ohko tho, 102.2-121.7%

[willow vault]

It’ll require some brain power because of the crazy damage output of everything

[supple ether]

[polar canyon]

Also yeah calyrex is still a 90 dollar pokemon for sv

[supple ether]

Its doomged

[polar canyon]

Needs swsh + dlc

People won't be happy when it's one of the top mons in the meta

At least urshifu is in the sv dlc

[molten oasis]

Well, that sucks

[willow vault]

I don’t like Urshifu, namely rapid strike, I much prefer single strike

[molten oasis]

No one will lol

[knotty mirage]

Guess i will keep my calyrex for now then hopefully it will have increase value on trading when the restricted reg comes out

[molten oasis]

Idk if I’m playing restricted yet

[willow vault]

So what I’ve read is gholdengo beats your idea

[molten oasis]

Lol

[supple ether]

[molten oasis]

Nasty plot dengo probably explodes it

With good piloting

[supple ether]

The return of the king

[polar canyon]

Balloon ghold makes a return

[willow vault]

Yeah it would

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[supple ether]

Actually Im.curios of something

[polar canyon]

Ghold/chi-yu/caly shadow/torn core

[molten oasis]

Shut

[willow vault]

I reckon Ogerpon water will be very good due to its immunity to water attacks + follow me to allow for things like gholdengo or Calyrex to set up or throw out an enormous attack

[molten oasis]

I think a caly can wipe a waterpon

[willow vault]

It can

[molten oasis]

Even with the boost

[polar canyon]

Absolutely

[willow vault]

I don’t need to calc that to know

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

Why does it have good natural bulk

[willow vault]

I did say it was stupid

[molten oasis]

What the fuck were they cooking with those 2

[knotty mirage]

I wonder can blood moon be usable on restricted format when it comes out

[polar canyon]

P2w pokemon

[molten oasis]

No lmao

[polar canyon]

A reason for comp players to need the previous game and dlc lol

[molten oasis]

I think Bloodmoon dies lol

[willow vault]

Pokémon that would be fun in a dynamax format not considering how Tera would screw every counter play currently found

[molten oasis]

Hmm sucker punching the calyrex?

[willow vault]

Tera

[molten oasis]

Sorry I Tera fairy

[polar canyon]

Better luck next time

[knotty mirage]

I mean normal type should be good agains't shadow calyrex

[willow vault]

It’s dumb and painful

[molten oasis]

Hmm, make it rain into caly ice, Tera fire

Hmm, flare blitz into zacian? Tera water

[polar canyon]

Just wait until they give caly shadow expanding force

[willow vault]

Now I run Tera poison Calyrex-shadow with Tera blast to beat your Calyrex shadow

[molten oasis]

Hmm, precipice blades into miraidon? Tera grass

I could go on