competitive_discussion

[grizzled bronze]

i think so

[timber falcon]

And he didn’t follow me when a ghost type was thrown out?

Either he had some serious mind games or smeargle guy isn’t made for smeargle 😤

[grizzled bronze]

he made day 2 tho

[mighty stump]

Or Smeargle isn't as impactful and that the level of play to consider is also different

[timber falcon]

Yeah that’s a good thing at least

[supple ether]

Smeargle made it to day 2?

[timber falcon]

I mean assuming the gholdengo had protect. He kept sacking it

[brazen bough]

I think my biggest problem was bringing bloodmoon on the same team as urshifu and registeel

[timber falcon]

Cause I run smeargle and gholdengo lmao

[bold geode]

Gonna have to watch back stream possibly
Work is a bitch today

[brazen bough]

I used the team from the winter challenge

[mighty stump]

Yeah, but that doesn;'t depend on Smeargle lol

Id rather run a better Mon with Follow Me.

[brazen bough]

Ogerpon hearth is a sleeper

[grizzled bronze]

ogerpon better follow me user

[brazen bough]

i ran full bulk ogerpon heart follow me

And undersped opposing ogerpons perfectly

[mighty stump]

Idk why you wouldnt just run Wellspring if you're trying to go for bulk

When it also covers Fire-types, which Gholdengo doesn't want to deal with

[brazen bough]

I did it with the attack boost in mind

And then stacked on top of that helping hand + horn leech its dealing a shit ton of damage while being really hard to kill

Something I should’ve brought tho was throat spray fari

[timber falcon]

It all depends on what ur against

[grizzled bronze]

bm luna doing pretty good in reg f

[brazen bough]

Not rlly

[grizzled bronze]

yeah not really

[brazen bough]

I think ogerpon is mostly favorable in most mu’s

[mighty stump]

Lets not let bias cloud facts

[grizzled bronze]

better defensive typing, immune to spore, +1 spdef when tera is nice, can do damage

[timber falcon]

Imo yes really, I run both bully Oger and smeargle and a giant flutters smeargles follow me really protects gholdengo

Whilst when using oger specs flutter runs through it like sand

[mighty stump]

I wanna see Smeargle live Specs Flutter without sash lol

[timber falcon]

It’s forced to use dazzling

Saving gholdengo

Smeargle is meant to die

[grizzled bronze]

also rng based with moody

[brazen bough]

If you are sending in a pokemon intending for it to die thats not really the best idea

You can do the same thing with ogerpon just fine

[timber falcon]

True that can be a saviour or a loss at sometimes

[mighty stump]

That's also assuming you're only going into Specs Flutters, when Booster SpA Flutter is common, while Ogerpon can also just remove Flutter on the same turn rather than be sacced to die

So

[grizzled bronze]

consistency is better

[brazen bough]

And you would still be going 4-4 with your opponent instead of ultimately playing a 3-4 game

[timber falcon]

The sacc is only needed when gholdengo is ready to sweep

[mighty stump]

Saccing as a concept is fine.

Just a false argument for Smeargle.

[brazen bough]

I had no intent of making it based off of my bias i should reword ogerpon has better matchups than smeargle majority of the time

[timber falcon]

Over all as a Pokémon Ogerpon is way better

But hey smeargle isn’t bad

[mighty stump]

It's an option if you can use it but imo its like a skill issue thing

[timber falcon]

And yes I’m glazing as hard as possible, the bias levels can’t be measured

[grizzled bronze]

you're pretty much playing a 4v3 game with smeargle imo

[brazen bough]

Smeargle will likely be good in restricted tho

[timber falcon]

Not necessarily, I never said follow me was my only pla

[mighty stump]

No Smeargle has the advantage of an unpredictable message in non-OTS with a "able to fit all"

Due to Sketch

[timber falcon]

Trick room spore hits pretty hard

[mighty stump]

However

You can do the asme things with Smeargle with better mons if you just:

• Play better
• Teambuild better

[grizzled bronze]

tbh even with cts the sets are kinda predictable

[mighty stump]

Rather than ramshackle shoehorn something

[brazen bough]

Is it even possible to make smeargle bulky

[mighty stump]

lolno

[timber falcon]

Yes

[brazen bough]

Bcuz i was thinking about using it on a tr team

Just for fun

[timber falcon]

Moody if ur lucky gives the most insane buffs

But it’s inconvenient ofc

[mighty stump]

No point to invest in bulk if you're going to just run Sash.

[timber falcon]

Health and speed are the only evs needed for smeargle

[timber falcon]

I taught my smeargle tr lol. They dare set up tailwind and make the sweep easy for me

[brazen bough]

…

At that point you are just asking to get doubled into

[timber falcon]

That’s in its

Ots

[brazen bough]

Smeargle moving last is kinda the last thing you want

[timber falcon]

You’d be suprised

If they have a tailwind mon they are most likely gonna tailwind. Meaning they can’t double

That’s my opening

[brazen bough]

If they have a tailwind mon they also likely have a shifu they are gonna bring

[grizzled bronze]

even when you reverse speed the game's not over

[tough idol]

What round of Swiss they onto

[brazen bough]

14

Wolfe may go 15-0

[tough idol]

TY

[grizzled bronze]

wolfe is cooking

[tough idol]

I'm stuck at work with minimal Internet, will watch Top Cut back when I get home in 5 hours lol 😆

[karmic temple]

Debating buying scarlet 😭 is it worth it

Solely for the new dlc mons

[tough idol]

Only if you want easy exclusives, you do need a second dlc purchase too

So you've got base game plus dlc to pay for

[grizzled bronze]

95$ just for exclusives feels pretty bad

[next stump]

15-0 is so crazy

I think 14-0 only happened once

[patent marsh]

the power of rest

[brazen bough]

Up to you

[tough idol]

@next stump isn't this 1st time they've had 6 days 2 Swiss rounds?

[next stump]

yep, 6 day 2 rounds is triggered with 800 players

[tough idol]

I've got 720 Masters next week

[timber falcon]

In most cases it is

[tough idol]

Work printer good for something

[next stump]

ayyy you got a local?

[tough idol]

Liverpool Regional

Might aswell jump right in the pool

[next stump]

you have to submit your team list on RK9’s website, not a physical one

unless you’re just making a physical copy to cross reference

[tough idol]

Ah I thought I had to do both

I've seen the RK9 link in email, can't register until tomorrow

[willow vault]

https://pokepast.es/1121456a5b313bdb, any correction to any ev spreads?

[willow vault]

any specific tournament this for?

[tough idol]

See the messages just below the picture

[willow vault]

Nice

[dawn crown]

Does anyone have a blood moon ursaluna ev spread?

[brazen bough]

bruh theres only tcg near me

[brazen bough]

when looking for locals do you normally check the tcg to see if they're also hosting vgc

[willow vault]

Same

[tough idol]

Same, I haven't seen Aby VGC local to me, all trading card games.

[autumn kelp]

bruh is worst for me I live in Mexico, no regionals no nothing, just only wich just came out recently

just online*

[mighty stump]

At least your entire country isn't banned from the circuit entirely, even online.

[tough idol]

The Regional and EUIC are my 2 for the year

[willow vault]

Yikes

[autumn kelp]

lol dam

[willow vault]

Good 2 events though

[brazen bough]

what country

[willow vault]

There are almost no events for any games in bath, it’s sad 😞

[tough idol]

I'm up in Leeds and its the same.

[willow vault]

Dang

Used to live nearer events back in Brighton but no longer

[tough idol]

Bath so hard to get to aswell, being where it is lol

Good half a day travel there and back

[autumn kelp]

watching regionals and ladder life

[willow vault]

Yessir

Might as well head to Cardiff and Bristol for events

Heck yeah

[tough idol]

I did that, then decided Liverpool only an hour and a bit on train, might aswell have a go.

London is a nice getaway for me in April too

[autumn kelp]

do it

[tough idol]

I am lol 😆 registered the 1st day I could EUIC not open yet

[dapper crag]

Thoughts? This is for singles btw

[willow vault]

I was tempted to set up but didn’t fit with what’s going on atm and it would be like 5 or 6 hours after class and work on a Friday so, not for me I guess.

[tough idol]

I booked 8 days off work 😆

[willow vault]

Damn

[autumn kelp]

theres always a way to set it up

[willow vault]

Good luck with the events

[tough idol]

Any experience is good. 1st time playing OTS. I'll enjoy it whatever happens l, even if I go 0-9

[autumn kelp]

true that, bunch of exp too

[willow vault]

Who knows what’s going to occur

[willow vault]

I reckon you bring a team of nfe Pokémon and win the whole tournament

[timber falcon]

Idk about that dragapult

Wouldn’t having at least one physical move help due to Draco lowering its so atck?

[mighty stump]

You dont go mixed for no reason lol

Either way you just half ass your offenses

[brazen bough]

omg wolfe vs neil

[tough idol]

Any notable Top 8 matches?

I can't get bracket up at work

[mighty stump]

Wolfe v Neil

Luka v Enzo

Toler Webb vs Nicholas Donnelly

[crisp saddle]

Hey I’m really new to ranked I was wondering if someone could help me build a team

[tough idol]

TY @mighty stump looks like all worth a watch when I get home

[gentle crag]

ictlegion has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[crisp saddle]

I just started learning about EVs and IVs

[brazen bough]

i hope neil wins

hes fr the goat

[mighty stump]

I don't

He's a weirdo

With sus habits from history

And, from friends' experience, a bit of a dick

[autumn kelp]

who in pokemon top vcg is not a dick lol

[real prairie]

Finally hit MB rank, note to self don't take "fun" teams into the ladder for the first 30 games next time

[real prairie]

Who in competitive Pokémon is not a dick*

[ember linden]

Most of them??

[mighty stump]

Lol, quite a few

[autumn kelp]

touche

[mighty stump]

and most of the time the casual players are far more insufferable

[bold geode]

FRAUDCANINE ALERT

[mighty stump]

speaking from experience

just because competitive is a different ballgame and gatekeepy by nature; The game doesn’t teach you anything about it and you cannot naturally learn it

[mighty stump]

The number of temper tantrums I get when I have to tell someone to curb their expectations

[tough idol]

If its anything to do with something I read the other day, I'd have to agree

[mighty stump]

Example: a few days ago

[mighty stump]

iykyk

[crisp saddle]

@real prairie could I dm you I need help making a team please

[real prairie]

So casuals trying to go competitive not true casuals lol true casuals probably never interact with us haha

[real prairie]

Why me? 🤣

Happy to help but I'm far from an expert

[crisp saddle]

Idk I saw you reached masterball ranked so you obviously know more than me

[autumn kelp]

ladder and tournaments, diff reqs and game types

[crisp saddle]

I’m very new to Pokémon

[real prairie]

Yeah happy to help mate

[kindred cypress]

BuT i WaNt ToO lEaRn It

[crisp saddle]

Thank you I appreciate it

Send me a friend request?

[real prairie]

Done

[mighty stump]

or casuals treating competitive like their personal google for things not related to competitive

[mighty stump]

Just facts

Also the takes of inexperienced/non-playing players are jjst

Frustrating to read sometimes when you have to try and reframe the information

and then you get ignorant pushback

[ember linden]

😬

[mighty stump]

Then it becomes an unnecessary dick-measuring contest

[tough idol]

I just go with the 'these guys have Orange names for a reason'.

[mighty stump]

🤷

[tough idol]

Not here for the good of their health

[autumn kelp]

fun analogy: someone asks for help and then call you an idiot, yet they are the ignorants.

[mighty stump]

At the end of the day its not my game/experience lol

I have 0 reason to feel upset about people not taking my word

[autumn kelp]

a good pre filter is to ask : are you coachable at all?

has save me some time asking that on diff subjects

[mighty stump]

As much as I would try and encourage people play with the picks they like since a new player with good attitude is a + for the VGC hobby as a whole

People just want to be coddled

I didn’t upkeep my information through effort to become lil timmy’s googlebot for their terrible Dugtrio team

[autumn kelp]

xD

[mighty stump]

I’ve built up my fair share of players and anything more right now is just icing on top

[tough idol]

BRB off to take Dugtrio out of my team

Kidding only have 1 for dex

[autumn kelp]

lol

[tough idol]

The stream yesterday was good background while I replayed Violet and half of Scarlet (i want extra new Paradox to play around with and still have a dex set)

[mighty stump]

Choke of the century

[bold geode]

Wow Harc held on and STILL didn't finish Flutter
Fraud

[mighty stump]

Choke of the century lmao

[bold geode]

Lmao

[mighty stump]

bro

Arbin did not deserve that lmao

[bold geode]

Yeah no

[grizzled bronze]

the fuck was that game

[karmic temple]

That miss

Was wild

[mighty stump]

He was pinned for clicking Sucker like that

[brazen bough]

link?

[willow vault]

To the hissy fit? Why?

[brazen bough]

because i want to know what happened

[willow vault]

Ok, it will be very far back

[brazen bough]

thats fine

nicholas is insane

[mighty stump]

@willow vault No point digging up past drama

[willow vault]

I found an argument

Sad I missed it, looks interesting

[brazen bough]

who you guys got here

[willow vault]

Not sure, I like Luka’s team a lot so I’m gonna say Luka for vibes

[mighty stump]

Luka

Bring Gouging Fire to victory

[willow vault]

Truly

[grizzled bronze]

smeargle in stream again

[mighty stump]

Plus hes a great player

[brazen bough]

i actually hope gouging doesnt win but im rooting for luka

[willow vault]

Smeargle = me sad, me remember dark void spam. Me no like Smeargle ever again

[willow vault]

Why no gouging fire love?

[brazen bough]

wells mask urshifu lol

[willow vault]

Wells mask Urshifu?

[bold geode]

HOLY FUCK GOUGING IS HUGE

[willow vault]

Indeed

[mighty stump]

Have you never played him in game lol

[bold geode]

No
Haven't done any in game tbh

[molten cedar]

1.300 lbs

[bold geode]

Don't have any teams on cart rn need to work on it

[willow vault]

My switch no longer has online so I just play showdown

[mighty stump]

Ill just post my rental in a bit

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1020: Gouging Fire

Types

Fire/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

105/115/121/65/93/91

Total

590

Weight (Low Kick BP)

590kg (120 BP)

Height

3.5m

Introduced

Generation 9

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

Brown

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[bold geode]

Ah I was making sure it wasn't 1300 kg

Haha
Entei against Gouging
Pog

[willow vault]

Entei Vs Entei with Majoras mask

Canonical I swear

[mighty stump]

Hugely unfortunate miss

[willow vault]

Yah

[bold geode]

@mighty stump what set is Luka running?

[grizzled bronze]

unfortunate

[mighty stump]

Exact same set, just diff Tera

[bold geode]

Booster speed?

[mighty stump]

Yep

[bold geode]

Fucking pog

None of that D Dance bullshit

[mighty stump]

Bro lmao

[bold geode]

See, I was wanting Wolfe to win actually just cuz he doing good
But now Luka for the win

[mighty stump]

Enzo getting RNG’f

[brazen bough]

that was likely a low roll lmao

[grizzled bronze]

god another miss

[willow vault]

Poor Enzo this is just upsetting

[mighty stump]

How can you call it a low roll if you don’t know its bulk

Gouging is fat

[bold geode]

Yeah
You gotta hit Gouging with special attacks

[willow vault]

Welp Enzo has been put in the dirt by rng

[bold geode]

Physical wise, it's fuckin TAKING hits

[mighty stump]

Not rhe funnest game to watch cause of the RNG

[charred saddle]

105 hp, 125 def, 93 sp def

[willow vault]

Damn

[charred saddle]

its very tanky

[willow vault]

Very nice

[bold geode]

Yeah
And B Swipe and Bulwark can shut down physical shit

[willow vault]

Makes sense

[real prairie]

Not to be the guy that asks the basic questions but someone remind me who was running the A.Ninetales who made it to day 2

[bold geode]

Tofu the potential for my Charlotte analysis looking spicy now

[brazen bough]

this is why we run wide lens entei

[mighty stump]

..No we don’t

[willow vault]

We? Nah we just miss less

[strange fjord]

just dont miss

[real prairie]

lol

[mighty stump]

Also to be honest im not sure Gouging Fire was impactful other than being fast and as a switch innfor Gholdengo

[willow vault]

It’s that simple

[charred saddle]

if its not 100%

its 50/50

[mighty stump]

HUGE

HUGE CALL

[willow vault]

Damn

What a turn

[real prairie]

Someone watches MandJTV

[mighty stump]

THERES NO REASON NOT TO JUST

zamn

[willow vault]

Luka built different

[brazen bough]

enzo my goat

[mighty stump]

if that crit

[willow vault]

Imagine

[bold geode]

Imma need to see Lukas team

[willow vault]

That would have been crazy unlucky for Enzo, not the unluckiest set I’ve seen but damn. Reminds me of Cybertron worlds semis, everything that can go wrong does

[mighty stump]

Gouging corners the entire team here without Darkshifu

wow

I stand corrected

[bold geode]

This is crazy

[brazen bough]

what tera is his gouging

[bold geode]

Luka DUBS

[mighty stump]

Fairy.

[willow vault]

Luka showing up Tofu, Luka looking great

[bold geode]

Oh Fairy?

[brazen bough]

yeah tantrum make it rain for sure kills

neutral mir did a shit ton to it already

[mighty stump]

No it didnt?

What are you on about

[brazen bough]

last game

[mighty stump]

MIR did nothing

[brazen bough]

unless i missed them boosting

[bold geode]

GOUGING RILLABOOM FUCK YEAH

[brazen bough]

wait why didnt he stomp

[mighty stump]

To prevent Follow Me redirection

In case for whatever reason Stomping didnt kill

[bold geode]

GIMME THAT HOWL HAMMER

Fuck I'm glad I came back

[brazen bough]

ggs

[willow vault]

Not quite over yet

[brazen bough]

no thats a loss

[bold geode]

No it's done

[mighty stump]

Entei is also now liable to getting burned lol

[willow vault]

Alright that’s done, I didn’t know damage rolls

[mighty stump]

and no longer resists grass

[grizzled bronze]

bye bye smeargle

[mighty stump]

See, this is why AV Entei does nothing

[bold geode]

Wait damn Fairy Entei is actually a bit eh

[willow vault]

Good riddance

[bold geode]

Can only burn it

[mighty stump]

No damage

Not sure about game 1, too much RNG

G2 was stomp

[bold geode]

It don't matter Tofu
LUKA CARRY US HOME BABY

[grizzled bronze]

get that painter out of here

[bold geode]

I forgot Enzo had Smeargle
Yeah fuck him

[willow vault]

Yeah

[bold geode]

My man Gouging has purified him

[charred saddle]

i mean, AV entei does great into psyspam stuffs no?

[supple ether]

Incin av > entei av

[charred saddle]

snarl + bulky and sacred fire burn threats for chienpao still

[supple ether]

Trust

[willow vault]

There are better av users than both

[charred saddle]

not that i will use AV entei

but i can see where its coming from at least

does HH Eforce crown / arm kos entei AV?

at least i think not, havent done the calc

oh but some arm does bring meteor + power herb stuffs now

[willow vault]

I love meteor beam it’s so cool

[supple ether]

172 SpA Iron Crown Helping Hand Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 228 HP / 84 SpD Assault Vest Entei in Psychic Terrain: 102-121 (46.5 - 55.2%) -- 69.9% chance to 2HKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Iron Crown Helping Hand Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 228 HP / 84 SpD Assault Vest Entei in Psychic Terrain: 162-192 (73.9 - 87.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Armarouge Helping Hand Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 228 HP / 84 SpD Assault Vest Entei in Psychic Terrain: 156-185 (71.2 - 84.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+1 252+ SpA Armarouge Helping Hand Meteor Beam vs. 228 HP / 84 SpD Assault Vest Entei: 248-292 (113.2 - 133.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[mighty stump]

yeah but its still 😑

[bold geode]

Ah naw
LUKA BEAT WOLFE

[charred saddle]

arm will be at +0 (for meteor beam), entei is still faster to hit snarl first

[mighty stump]

The Arma calcs are unrealistic as youd expect then to be -1

[bold geode]

BEAT WOLFE LUKA

[charred saddle]

[supple ether]

Vs giga chad incin
+1 252+ SpA Armarouge Helping Hand Meteor Beam vs. 236 HP / 124+ SpD Assault Vest Incineroar: 192-226 (96 - 113%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
172 SpA Iron Crown Helping Hand Focus Blast vs. 236 HP / 124+ SpD Assault Vest Incineroar: 108-128 (54 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[tough idol]

Wolfe lost? Or is that next rd

[supple ether]

Oh arma gets outsped

[mighty stump]

Wolfe won

Hes in top 4

NExt is Luka vs Wolfe

Which is going to be an INSANE match

[tough idol]

TY @mighty stump

[gentle crag]

ictlegion has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[bold geode]

Harc is in top 4 fuck I forgot

[supple ether]

Is luka well known/a big threat? Im not familiar with the players (outside wolfe)

[charred saddle]

arma is 75 base speed, entei is speedy

[mighty stump]

Known as the Kingambit player

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 244: Entei

Type

Fire

Abilities

Pressure, Inner Focus (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

115/115/85/90/75/100

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[tough idol]

I don't get home for 55 minutes lol 😆 I may just watch Finals if I'm in time then rewatch Top 8

[brazen bough]

im more interested in the nicholas game

[bold geode]

Absolutely
He was runner up in Peoria too

[brazen bough]

bro is at his first day 2 and hes top 4

hes gonna be rematching wolfe too if wolfe wins and he wins

[tough idol]

Someone won their 1st ever Regional last year I believe

[mighty stump]

Justin Tang won two regionals in his first year and one of them was his first regional

[brazen bough]

yeah hes a prodigy

insane at the game

[bold geode]

FUCK OFF WITH PREDICTIONS
GET AWAY WITH THE SLITHER WING

[supple ether]

Slitherwing supremacy

[willow vault]

Not the slither wing

[bold geode]

Fuck it, I'm making a Slither Wing team for the memes

[willow vault]

No

Don’t do it

[bold geode]

No I'm not
I prefer my sanity

[brazen bough]

im wondering

is flutter gonna be in the next coming games

[willow vault]

You have sanity? Since when

[bold geode]

Maybe not
Idc
It'll be Home transfer if so

[brazen bough]

if so its gonna be hyped up like incin and probably not return until second dlc those games

[supple ether]

Could be. Likely will be treated like the ultra beasts

[tough idol]

I think the Paradox will be locked out for a few games lol

[willow vault]

As someone who does not control the games creation I have no idea this game is 1 year old new games (if you mean new games) are around every 4 years, I think

[charred saddle]

my good sir i have a good build for you

[bold geode]

Uh oh

[willow vault]

What have you done

[charred saddle]

i dont remember the team i build for slither wing tho

[bold geode]

Leo don't tell me you've been

[charred saddle]

i lost the whole paste

[tough idol]

Leo been cooking 🍳

[bold geode]

Ah I was starting to say you fuckin gremlin

[charred saddle]

its an old draft thing okay

[bold geode]

Quit lying

[willow vault]

Not a gremlin if they can’t find the poke paste after all

[charred saddle]

[bold geode]

Did you happen to get a picture of Luka's team?

[charred saddle]

look, ive made a lot of shit teams okay

[brazen bough]

i did

[bold geode]

Ayo show

[charred saddle]

most of this craps are really shitty

[willow vault]

Someone in twitch chat has mentioned slither wing, nooooooooooooooo

[willow vault]

Somehow I am not surprised

[charred saddle]

all of them still hits 1,5k but none of them felt right

and tested it in CTS (since i made them before OTS showdown was a thing)

[mighty stump]

I hit an insane GXE to t500 with Comfey

Lmao

[brazen bough]

is comfey good

and also bo3?

[willow vault]

Damn I can’t do that with op teams, it’s almost like I play semi-casually. I can’t believe I set healthy and achieveable goals. What’s wrong with meeeee

[bold geode]

FRAUDCANINE

[mighty stump]

Bo1 ladder, I hit t500 with Gouging Fire in Bo3 ladder

[willow vault]

2% is crazy

Should be 0.02% imo

[charred saddle]

honestly i still think Harc is quite nice as a rock stab stuff

a lot of the mons rn is weak to rock

[brazen bough]

harc is still pretty damn good

[charred saddle]

chienpao, entei, dragonite, arm

[brazen bough]

those rock slides are so rough to play against

[charred saddle]

and easier to pilot than incin, since its a very straightforward mon id say

choice band, and like go max atk and rest is to your liking

[willow vault]

Slightly less rough now because of priority spam but I get the reasoning

[charred saddle]

hit speed or some bulk to live some ig

[brazen bough]

thats very subjective

[charred saddle]

no?

incin can run quite a lot of moves

harc has a very common moveset, blitz, slide, e speed, tera blast/head smash

and fairy tera if its tera blast

[brazen bough]

i mean incin for the most part does too

[charred saddle]

or normal tera

[brazen bough]

flare blitz knock off fake out uturn/parting shot sitrus/av/goggs

[charred saddle]

and always CB

safety

3 items, then HH

[brazen bough]

helping hand not that much at all

often times you will find difficulty reasonably slotting on hh

[charred saddle]

point is, its there.

theres quite a lot of option

[brazen bough]

then same could be said for harc

[charred saddle]

rather than Harc, CB 3 fixed move

[brazen bough]

its not always cb

[charred saddle]

?

[stone tide]

does metagross have any unique niche that iron hands dosen't already fill?

[brazen bough]

there is sitrus av and cb

[stone tide]

ig i could run assault vest and run more into attack, where iron hands woul want to put lots into spdef

[willow vault]

That was a good match

[supple ether]

Grat match 1

[grizzled bronze]

iron hands surviving hits without av

[willow vault]

Who do you guys want to win the set?

[bold geode]

Nicholas

[willow vault]

Same

[bold geode]

Nicholas honestly has some potential to win it all, but he'll have a hard time in finals either way

[brazen bough]

yep

[willow vault]

Yeah both Luka and Wolfe look very good rn

[bold geode]

Cuz either he'll be fighting Luka
Or he'll have a three peat against Wolfe

[willow vault]

He’s played him twice already?

[grizzled bronze]

damn that taunt was so risky

[bold geode]

Yes
His only two losses were to Wolfe

[willow vault]

Damn

[bold geode]

And both sets were Game 3s

[willow vault]

Has everyone left lost to Wolfe?

[bold geode]

Possibly
I know Wolfe has taken a loss somewhere in Day 2 Swiss

[willow vault]

I think round 16

[bold geode]

Actually no it was R13

[willow vault]

Oh

Damn

[bold geode]

Damn

Wait did Arbin get TW up?

[grizzled bronze]

yeah

[fallen garden]

yes

[grizzled bronze]

tailwind then taunt from nicholas

[brazen bough]

yeah thats not good

[fallen garden]

used tailwind, then got hit with taunt

[bold geode]

Ah

[willow vault]

Damn

[grizzled bronze]

oh god

[bold geode]

Oh shit

[stone tide]

is tw running out this turn?

[willow vault]

That’s mad, no protect is ballsy

[brazen bough]

this guy is insane

[bold geode]

That's a dub probably

[grizzled bronze]

ggs

[brazen bough]

that is a win

its a pin he cant win this here

[stone tide]

yeah

[brazen bough]

no it doesnt

his sash is broken

[willow vault]

Nicholas could make an interesting grands

[grizzled bronze]

oh fuck

[supple ether]

DAMN

[bold geode]

Nice

[maiden oak]

How do I post in self promotion? I made a video I want to share

[willow vault]

I’m very intrigued by this man’s run

[stone tide]

would've been so funny if sucker punch didnt kill

[brazen bough]

nice

[bold geode]

Gotta DM a mod for an application for self promotion role

[maiden oak]

Wanna show my boi Relicanth some love

Thank you

[bold geode]

Yup

[grizzled bronze]

single shifu doing work

[willow vault]

Better shifu form, imo

[bold geode]

Nicholas has played phenomenally

[fallen garden]

where can i find the current tourney standings

[grizzled bronze]

next is finals?

[bold geode]

No, next is Luka v Wolfe

[willow vault]

1 more semifinal

[grizzled bronze]

oh aight

[ember linden]

Tell me when that match commences

[grizzled bronze]

hope luka wins ngl

[bold geode]

Y'all are gonna wanna watch this match
Two real good players

[ember linden]

I hope Wolfe wins

[bold geode]

Also bruh that rental was Alex Underhills team lmao

[willow vault]

I don’t mind I think both players are great and are on great form so far

[ember linden]

Nah I’m only interested in Wolfe player wise

[willow vault]

I could tell

[ember linden]

Who cares? It’s not the exact same 🤷🏼‍♂️

It’s not like I said I was the first to come up with the six

[mighty stump]

Might as well use Underhills kekw

Since it's public

[ember linden]

I want lorb DNite and my own EV spreads

[willow vault]

Ok

[bold geode]

It's public?

[tired sage]

where’s that
Life Orb Chein-Pao
👏

[ember linden]

Absolutely not😭

[bold geode]

The fucking trash can

LO Chien Pao is alright
I just think Sash better

[fallen garden]

I hope nicholas beats wolfe in the finals, it makes for a good comeback story

[willow vault]

It’s semi finals

[tired sage]

well i wonder why…
pao isn’t made to live anything

[bold geode]

Listen to this y'all

Speed tiering
Board states
So important

[willow vault]

Seal is fun, British seal is cool, as British man can confirm I like the seal

[tired sage]

someone needs to stop me from making monotype teams for reg f

[willow vault]

Nah, I reckon that you should just use sheer cold and refuse to miss

[tired sage]

skill swap no guard

[willow vault]

Nah that’s unskilled

Just don’t miss instead pure skill

[tired sage]

[willow vault]

It may be mathematically untthinkable but it would be fun

[tired sage]

hey.
there were moments in vgc history where an ohko move flips the tables upside down

[fallen garden]

here's a thought: sheer cold's accuracy scales with level, and everyone brings Level 50 mons. So, to adapt, bring a Level 70 or even 80 mon.

[tired sage]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[willow vault]

Still cheating use lv1 mons instead against purely lv100s

[tired sage]

just bring level 100 mons.
easy as that

[supple ether]

LIKE A BOOK

[tough idol]

Anything British is cool

[willow vault]

True

[tough idol]

[willow vault]

I’m gonna go get me a tea

[tough idol]

Kettle will be on within 5 mins of me getting back from work basically 2205 😅

[willow vault]

True British man

[mighty stump]

This game is fucking fire

[brazen bough]

real

[willow vault]

What I hoped for with 2 great players

[mighty stump]

HUGE CUDGEL

Great cover

[brazen bough]

i think he still loses tho

hypervoice should do the job after surging

oh wait

kingambit in the back

yikes thats rough

[willow vault]

Was the howl to much?

[mighty stump]

You're ignoring the fact Gouging is faster than Urshifu

Urshifu is -1 5oo

[willow vault]

It’s close

Very close

[mighty stump]

Its a great game

[willow vault]

So true

[brazen bough]

hyper voice should be good i think thoi

if they dont double

[mighty stump]

I think Luka should have traded Kingambit rather than preserve it

Save Ogerpon and go for double BSwipe

[brazen bough]

yea

[mighty stump]

Luka misplayed last turn, what a fucking game 1

[supple ether]

DAMN

[willow vault]

Game 1 Wolfe, crazy game

[grizzled bronze]

damn

what a game

[fallen garden]

iron head there would've won

[brazen bough]

i mean you can run iron head on kingambit

but that still probably wouldnt kill

[willow vault]

I do

[brazen bough]

but arent you running av

[polar canyon]

I love that how kingambit

[willow vault]

Yeah

[brazen bough]

yeah exactly my point

[willow vault]

Neither item boosts iron heads damage?

[brazen bough]

iron head isnt normally run on glasses set

since you normally want protect and s

sd*

i mean iron head does work tho

[willow vault]

It became more common with glasses recently

[brazen bough]

mb i thought you said goggles lol

[willow vault]

What?

Where did you read goggles?

[mighty stump]

Luka what is this play

YOOOOOO

WILD EVs

[grizzled bronze]

huge

[tough idol]

Dammit not home yet pmsl

[mighty stump]

Must be bulkier Kingambit if you have Howl to boost your damage

[smoky hawk]

I'm up 3-0 in my 5 round local

[willow vault]

Crazy turn 1, I’m so confused with Lukas play but oh well

[willow vault]

Nice

[mighty stump]

At a high level of Pokemon theres just no such thing as a safe play anymore

Plus the balls to do things

[willow vault]

Lukas such an interesting player

[mighty stump]

Although why not go into the Urshifu with that Kowtow, I don't think Farigiraf ever comes in on that turn at first

[willow vault]

Idk

[bold geode]

Nah

[willow vault]

Ok well you know better

Damn gouging fire doesn’t do much damage at all

[grizzled bronze]

damn ggs

[mighty stump]

Its been intimidate cycled lol

[willow vault]

I know but still

[mighty stump]

and Heat Crash being weight based has its pros and cons

Its like 80 BP into Farigiraf

[karmic temple]

Heat crash? More like heat trash

[supple ether]

Wow wow wow

[mighty stump]

Great game

[karmic temple]

Ggs

[kindred cypress]

Wolfe is terrifying with the meta

[willow vault]

Very good set very enjoyable

Time for round 3 in grands

[bold geode]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[grizzled bronze]

damn he got 4-0d

[kindred cypress]

World champ difference baby

[willow vault]

Understandable

[bold geode]

Fuck off

Lol

Ok
LETS GO NICHOLAS

[tough idol]

I caught the end of game 2. Enjoyed that

[willow vault]

Can Nicholas win 1 more game than the last 2 times (I hope so)

[brazen bough]

imagine nich wins this

this will be the biggest comeback ever

[willow vault]

I would love that

[molten cedar]

Rooting for Nicholas

[willow vault]

Same

[grizzled bronze]

better trainer wins ig

[willow vault]

Yeah

Huh the twitch stream is really full of Wolfe stans, like his content is great and got me into competitive but like damn

[tough idol]

Waiting for the here's how I won the Biggest Regional of all time video Round 2. (Unless Nicholas plays out of his skin)

[fallen garden]

wolfe is more of a public figure than his opponent

[willow vault]

Yeah

[fallen garden]

otherwise we get "I entered the Biggest Regional of all time. here's what happened."

[willow vault]

Still though feels bad, as Luka is one of the best players alive rn, and almost no one was cheering for him

[karmic temple]

What is this word vomit

[willow vault]

Idk

[molten cedar]

“I entered the largest regional of all time. Here’s why it was a mistake”

[karmic temple]

Can barely understand what guy was saying

[willow vault]

Aaron Traylor is the yap

Justin, he’s so cool

Predictions for grands?

[mighty stump]

2-0 Wolfe just to be contrarian as hell

[tough idol]

2-0 Wolfe I think

[mighty stump]

Plus Wolfe has that team I discusssed with a few other players to be "perfect balance"

[willow vault]

Tofu…. But the story would be great if he lost, still love Wolfe though

[tough idol]

18-0 would be a massive accomplishment too

He did win all 15 didn't he

[willow vault]

No

Lost 1

[tough idol]

Ah 17-1 still good

[willow vault]

Obviously winning the tournament is the entire goal

[mighty stump]

Maybe the tournament we won was the friends we made along the way

[willow vault]

I guess you could go 17-1 and lose in grands

[bold geode]

Nah that's some bullshit

[molten cedar]

Nah it’s just the tournament we won

[brazen bough]

we all know nich is gonna win

[willow vault]

We made no friends just found the people we disagree with more often and those who we don’t bother arguing either because they are smart or way to dumb (I’m option 2)

[mighty stump]

Technically

If you cut to top 16/top 8

[bold geode]

Oh it's perfect balance? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[mighty stump]

Thats more than enough to at least start networking

[willow vault]

True

[mighty stump]

Well the elements of a really good balance team.

[willow vault]

I couldn’t, I lack the skill and desire to win

[bold geode]

GIMME THAT TEAM STAT

[willow vault]

And the work ethic

[karmic temple]

I hope Wolfe loses

🤭

[willow vault]

And also my name is way to boring to be successful in Pokémon

[tough idol]

Like me very British name

[willow vault]

Seriously I have 3 white first names, like I know I’m from southern England but like damn

[bold geode]

Get the three peat Nicholas

[willow vault]

Such a cool team from Nicholas

[tough idol]

Nice to see IH in Finals

[bold geode]

Honestly I'm happy with either winning

[willow vault]

True but W Nicholas

Can’t believe my name is totally Mochi crephace, like why such a boring name mum. Can’t even capitalise crephace, because that not me.

[mighty stump]

Idk why you wouldnt Parting Shot there

[fallen garden]

protect could happen

[mighty stump]

So what, you lose nothing doing that

[molten cedar]

You lose the switch though.

[mighty stump]

? It protects and Farigiraf comes in, you outpseed both to do the same thing again anyways

And you'd still be plus 2

[willow vault]

True

What the heck

[mighty stump]

Not clicking Surging was extremely weird and Cudgel is???

[willow vault]

Huh

[bold geode]

WHY

[grizzled bronze]

????

[willow vault]

I’m so confused

[mighty stump]

Oh

Wood Hammer

Recoil

[willow vault]

Oh

[mighty stump]

He had to

[bold geode]

Damn

[mighty stump]

Thats huge

Lmao

[willow vault]

That’s insane

[tough idol]

Does Nick not have Horn Leech?

[grizzled bronze]

oh not leech

[karmic temple]

Zam

[mighty stump]

Wood Hammer

Lmao

[willow vault]

I thought he had horn leech

[karmic temple]

That was so close

[mighty stump]

Wolfe's hands are shaking

[supple ether]

Such a clpse match holy shit

[willow vault]

Cybertron lied to us

[brazen bough]

wolfe new rival

[mighty stump]

That was literally the closest possible point

[willow vault]

So many great games in a row

[willow vault]

Insanity

[grizzled bronze]

what a game

[mighty stump]

Thats a lot of key information from the speed interactions though

[brazen bough]

man

that 4hp survival on ogerpon sucks

[ripe cove]

Anyone able to trade me a karidon so I can complete my dex

[mighty stump]

NOT A TRADING CHANNEL

[bold geode]

Lmao

[willow vault]

Tofu has had enough

[brazen bough]

that doesnt even have anything to do with comp either

[willow vault]

I reckon we rename from comp discussion to not trading

[tough idol]

Had to check if that was text or of Tofu has a special image for this

[mighty stump]

People need to learn to read ok I'm not an elementary school teacher

[willow vault]

You should be, your very good at shouting at people on discord

[brazen bough]

this is the same lead from their second set

[willow vault]

Key part of being a teacher

[karmic temple]

Zam

[willow vault]

Damn

[karmic temple]

Wolfe gonna win

[mighty stump]

HUGE CRIT

[willow vault]

A humongous crit

[grizzled bronze]

it's ggs

that crit is so bad

[mighty stump]

This Urshifu coming in is huge

[willow vault]

Not yet

[grizzled bronze]

yeah

[mighty stump]

Sucker isnt even a safe play yet tbh

But Ursaluna needs to get removed

damn

Follow me into Surging would have fire

[willow vault]

True

[mighty stump]

The face of VGC on the side of Wolfe

[karmic temple]

If fari can tr I think nick can win

[mighty stump]

Farigiraf dies to Knock Off though

[bold geode]

OH

[karmic temple]

HUGH

[mighty stump]

HUGE KO

[willow vault]

Huge

[karmic temple]

HUGE

[grizzled bronze]

HUGE

[karmic temple]

BIG

[mighty stump]

GAME 3

[karmic temple]

LETS GOOOOO

[brazen bough]

HUGE

[grizzled bronze]

what a comeback

[willow vault]

Told you it wasn’t over

[grizzled bronze]

ggs

[supple ether]

DAMN

rip

[mighty stump]

That Sucker turn was so key

[willow vault]

Nicholas is goated with the sticks

[bold geode]

It's been G3s all 3 sets

[tough idol]

Crowd behind Nicholas too by that sound then

[willow vault]

So sick

[mighty stump]

Click Blood Moon turn 1 bro

Don't pussy out

[bold geode]

Lmao

Don't be a little bitch

[mighty stump]

The changeup

[willow vault]

Into Farigiraf, do it

[mighty stump]

FULL SEND

[willow vault]

No farigiraf don’t Bloodmoon

[mighty stump]

FULL SEND

BLOODMOON

[willow vault]

We go I guess

[karmic temple]

Bloodmoon or bust

[mighty stump]

IVY CUDGEL

FULL SEND

[willow vault]

Both

Ivy Cudgel + Bloodmoon why not

[mighty stump]

spiky shield?

spiky shield?

balls?

[bold geode]

HOLY SHIT

[mighty stump]

FULL SEND

[karmic temple]

Ouchie

[mighty stump]

BLOOD MOON

[karmic temple]

YESSS BLOOD MOON

[willow vault]

Yoooooo

[mighty stump]

LETS GOOOOO

[brazen bough]

W

[willow vault]

Is that Tofu playing?

[karmic temple]

BYE OGERS

[grizzled bronze]

NO WAY

[willow vault]

Tofu are you in grands?

[grizzled bronze]

he finally clicked it

[mighty stump]

Dude Hyper Voice wasnt doing shit

[brazen bough]

Last 2 mons

[mighty stump]

Blood Mooon is logical to keep up the damage trades

[molten cedar]

Hey tofu I don’t think you can chat on discord during a match

[willow vault]

I’m not tofu

[molten cedar]

I know just saying

[mighty stump]

NO SWITCH

[karmic temple]

Ouch

[mighty stump]

HUGE KO

[willow vault]

Huh

[karmic temple]

Nick threw

[willow vault]

What the heck, this grands is wild

[grizzled bronze]

huh

[mighty stump]

RUH ROH

[bold geode]

Ruh roh Raggy

[willow vault]

Twice, he lost Bloodmoon twice from not switching

[brazen bough]

CMON NICH

[karmic temple]

Bonk

[bold geode]

Oh

[willow vault]

Big hopes for Nich

[grizzled bronze]

man

[mighty stump]

WOLFE

TAKES THE FINALS

[bold geode]

Damn

[mighty stump]

GEEGEE

[brazen bough]

Oh that is ggs

[willow vault]

Geez

[mighty stump]

TRIPLE PROTECT

RIGHT NOW

[grizzled bronze]

yup ggs

[karmic temple]

LMFAO

[mighty stump]

PLAY TO YOUR OUTS

[karmic temple]

THERES ONE

[mighty stump]

PLAY TO YOUR OUTS

[bold geode]

DO IT KAKAROT

[willow vault]

2 more

[grizzled bronze]

imagine

[mighty stump]

TRIPLE PROTECT

GO FOR THE TRIPLE

[bold geode]

NOOOOOOO

[willow vault]

Triple

[mighty stump]

WOLFE WINS

[karmic temple]

NOOOO

[brazen bough]

Rip

[mighty stump]

HUGE FLARE BLITZ

[willow vault]

Noooooooooo

[mighty stump]

INCINEROAR WINS

[willow vault]

Gg

[brazen bough]

Ggs

[supple ether]

GG

[kindred cypress]

LETS GO BOIS

[nocturne holly]

what the fuck

[willow vault]

3 crazy good sets between these 2

[brazen bough]

Man

[kindred cypress]

The champ is back

[grizzled bronze]

ggs

[nocturne holly]

comp chat awakens only for regionals

[bold geode]

THE KING IS BACK

[supple ether]

https://tenor.com/view/gg-meme-dank-cursed-khat-gif-21280690

[willow vault]

Yes

[karmic temple]

Those matches were wild

[nocturne holly]

Wolfe won??

[bold geode]

INCINEROAR

[karmic temple]

Yes

[tough idol]

@bold geode be quiet next week lmao Timezones 🤣

[grizzled bronze]

incin won

[bold geode]

Ngl though
Nicholas played good AF

[bold geode]

Nah fuck it

[polar canyon]

Yeah

[willow vault]

Oh yeah, Liverpool, timesones benefit me for once. Yes

[pallid oxide]

Year of the Wolfe! Nick was super impressive though.

[tough idol]

Think tournament start is 1am PST

[bold geode]

It could've been either way tbh

[bold geode]

[mighty stump]

Calls were super hard to make

[fallen garden]

nicholas losing to the same guy 3 times

[polar canyon]

I love nicholas

[pallid oxide]

Fantastic first top 8 for Nicholas.

[polar canyon]

His reactions are great

[mighty stump]

Nicholas losing to the greatest VGC player objectively 3 times doesn;'t sound so bad

[brazen bough]

Is this fari’s first regional?

[bold geode]

I mean Nicholas only lost to Wolfe yeah that's not bad AT ALL

[mighty stump]

Even if you don't like Wolfe, you cannot deny his accolades

[willow vault]

Maybe the future goat?

[bold geode]

I believe it got San Antonio

[smoky hawk]

4-0! Priority spam is really working

[willow vault]

He is inevitable

[smoky hawk]

I even beat a farigaraf team with prio spam

[willow vault]

Hey that’s sick

[pallid oxide]

Sounds like Nicholas has a motivation for his anime arc.

[polar canyon]

Honestly I'd be telling everyone I know that I only lost to Wolfe that sounds pretty good

[willow vault]

Impossible

[mighty stump]

If people said "I lost to Wolfe" the rteaction would just be "understandable"

[grizzled bronze]

worth staying up all night for this

[karmic temple]

Well

[smoky hawk]

Kingambit positioning kowtow cleave. King has been the king today

[grizzled bronze]

what a regional

[polar canyon]

"I only lost to Wolfe" tho

[supple ether]

I loved aaron on the mic, he got so into it lmao

[pallid oxide]

The only thing I dislike about Wolfe is his pronunciations. They cause me so much pain.

[willow vault]

So cool

[mighty stump]

I've matched Wolfe 3 times on ladder randomly and I have only won once and that was cause I got lucky

[karmic temple]

Now I can feed Entei go get Olive Garden and ladder with a copy of wolfes team 😌

[willow vault]

I didn’t he yapped

[bold geode]

You've done 3 sets?

[willow vault]

Nah full skill

[mighty stump]

As if i;d survive 3 sets

Games

[rustic mountain]

vgc is scripted smh

[bold geode]

Gouging in 3rd

[rustic mountain]

nah but fr good finals

[mighty stump]

Meanwhile the team in my builder

[polar canyon]

I really liked gouging

[willow vault]

Bloodmoon went crazy

[bold geode]

AYO ROARING MOON IN 8TH

[mighty stump]

2 Gouging in top 8

[polar canyon]

Smeargle

[rustic mountain]

gouging seems real

[polar canyon]

I didn't catch the smeargle games

[willow vault]

2 is mad

[polar canyon]

What was it running?

[mighty stump]

Howl/Breaking Swipe

[tough idol]

Noticing no Crowndeedee in Top 8

[rustic mountain]

yea its mostly a support/enabler it seems

[polar canyon]

The smeargle?

[rustic mountain]

the gouging fire

[polar canyon]

Lol

[bold geode]

Yeah no D Dance shit

[supple ether]

Roaring mid top 8 im shook, especially next to 2 gouging mids

[rustic mountain]

i mean ddance in bo1 is fine but its a lot more exploitable in bo3, and doesnt offer enough value

[supple ether]

[polar canyon]

I like slower support with clear amulet a lot so it doesn't get completely shut down by incin

[mighty stump]

DDance is shit when you can just Booster Spe + Howl, It's the same thing

[bold geode]

Tree speaks faxx

[willow vault]

Such a cool grands Nicholas is gonna be a great competitor for the future

[polar canyon]

I want to see him come up again

[grizzled bronze]

great player

[rustic mountain]

3 giraffes in top 8 is the most surprising to me, i was not a believer

[willow vault]

I am

[polar canyon]

Waiting for that farigiraf mystery gift

[rustic mountain]

nice

[mighty stump]

I wasn't

[smoky hawk]

4-0. Next I'm battling my personal friend Gary Qian. I have a losing record vs him

[polar canyon]

Good luck

[mighty stump]

But ig GiraffeLuna isn't just gonna be flavour of the week ig

[rustic mountain]

yea

[willow vault]

Favourite flavour of the week?

[mighty stump]

That Victory Road tour had so much influence

Crazy what money tours do

[willow vault]

Mine is brick flavoured ice cream

[polar canyon]

I can't even imagine how it feels to get to finals on your first tournament

[wise star]

Yoo, Wolfe won VGC! And against Nicholas, who he played 2 times before

In Charlotte

[mighty stump]

I can't imagine to tournament

pepecry

[polar canyon]

Same

[willow vault]

I love the phrasing of won vgc, it makes logical sense but it sounds funny to me

[polar canyon]

That's also important