competitive_discussion

[brazen bough]

have you seen a tier list before

[mighty stump]

F tier?

??

[brazen bough]

hes talking about tier list

i think

[autumn kelp]

Ladder, tournament play always different not co-related imo, also, its important to have fun and just play.

[mighty stump]

No I know, but what relevance does that have

[brazen bough]

but idk what that has to do with competitive

[autumn kelp]

F tier or you mean the current format

[runic bloom]

idk like when i’m watching a comp video they sometimes say that the pokemon is good in like F tier bracket or their playing F tier and idk what that means bc idk what the tiers are in comp

i haven’t played vgc since like usum

[brazen bough]

you mean regulation f

[runic bloom]

YES

[karmic temple]

Vgc Twitter going off

[brazen bough]

thats just the format

[mighty stump]

Yeah, Prog got hit.

Unfortunate

[brazen bough]

made me sad

it could've been said in so many better ways

hes a nice and chill guy didnt deserve that

[mighty stump]

On one hand I understand the point, at the same time, it’s not necessary to make an example out of someone

[runic bloom]

what happen ?

[brazen bough]

like i said it could've been said in better ways

it seems like tommy literally did it to make an example especially when he explicitly mentioned prog asking him for help

[mighty stump]

Progatog gained a sudden increase in popularity with a lot of people reaching out for help/advice.

[karmic temple]

Yeah I understand where Tommy is coming from, but definitely didn’t have to qrt

[mighty stump]

Prog then decided to make it paid for it to be fair

Which Tom Hayden decided to slam

I think it’s all a bit blown out of proportion too

[karmic temple]

Prog is also really skilled though, not fair to him to have a bigger creator call him out when he was addressing his community specifically

[runic bloom]

that is fair

[mighty stump]

If someone wants to pay, let them

[brazen bough]

actually now that i think about it was there really a better way to go about it other than just not posting anything

[mighty stump]

But Lorcy also said something I agree with

[runic bloom]

and if ppl don’t like it they can find someone else who might be able to do it for free

[mighty stump]

Overall

You really don’t need to pay anyone

[runic bloom]

some ppl gotta make money

[brazen bough]

like some people that dont place consistently can still provide help

other games its pretty common

people that have higher levels of analyzing than others can provide alot of help to others

[mighty stump]

I’ve been doing this for years for free at this point

The number of players i’ve built up and most of the time it’s just from playing a lot too

You really don’t need paid coaching

[brazen bough]

that's true kinda

it does probably make it faster or make you play like them

[mighty stump]

It’s just about respecting a creator’s time and perspective

[runic bloom]

build me up fr

[karmic temple]

I mean

Just stay in the discord and you learn just from him replying to other people

[mighty stump]

It’s free, it only costs patience

Mainly, mine

💀

[runic bloom]

REAL

[karmic temple]

I’m surprised you still have any left

[mighty stump]

I made this when I was sleep deprived

[karmic temple]

LMAO

pecharunt is so cute

[mighty stump]

Pecharunt is one of my new favourite bastards

[karmic temple]

Only 3 more years until we can use it

[runic bloom]

is whimsicott

still a good sun setter

[mighty stump]

Guess im quitting in 2

[mighty stump]

It’s fine

Torn/Whims

[runic bloom]

yeah i rlly wanna use it bc it’s my fav pokemon so im gonna build a team around it

plus it has tailwind so

[knotty mirage]

I still wonder why whimsicott doesn't get rain dance

[runic bloom]

real

[mighty stump]

Whims is pretty splashable since its utility is good, the only thing i think is worse off is when paired with Urshifu

Since Watershifu prefers Torn’s coverage anyways

But Darkshifu is better with Whimsi

[mental glen]

I would like help my brother like pokemon but he always loses could someone help make a team using the pokemon that I list (singles team) : greninja exeggutor (alolan) maganium serperior meowscarada rillaboom incinaroar decidueye and koraidon

[runic bloom]

i was thinking whim, flutter, incin, the metal delibird amongus and the new infernape

[mighty stump]

Might as well run Fake Tears on Whimsi

[runic bloom]

i was gonna do tailwind energy ball taunt and encore

focus sashed

[knotty mirage]

The problem with tornshifu combo is it practicaly get shutdown by electric type if i can just use whimsicott as torn substitute just sad it doesn't get rain dance

[runic bloom]

yeah

[mighty stump]

Fairy STAB >

[mighty stump]

Then don’t lead TornShifu if you see Bolt?

[runic bloom]

OH YEAH

tofu where did you make your pfp

[mighty stump]

A friend

I commissioned her

[runic bloom]

is she still doing commissions

[brazen bough]

im stocking up on new saves to someday come back to this event

[mighty stump]

I can send you her twitter

[runic bloom]

yeah please

[brazen bough]

i just get my pfp's from manga and anime 😂

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/tokkihachan?s=21&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

I can’t promise she’ll respond because she’s garbo at texting

[runic bloom]

it’s alr ty ty

[brazen bough]

i cant imagine how much they cost

i tried getting someone to make me a pfp mf charged me 40 without color 70 with

[mighty stump]

15 buckaroos

[brazen bough]

thats cheap

[runic bloom]

REALLY?

that’s so good

[brazen bough]

not paying for a pfp tho

[runic bloom]

does she do banners too

[brazen bough]

i think all i need for charlotte are decent ev spreads

so i need to note them down

@next stump you make your own spreads right because that's what I'm planning on doing

although most of my team is probably standard spreads

[mighty stump]

She prices them per piece so just ask if she replies

Ill text her to check her twitter

[brazen bough]

have you seen any results out of throat spray psychic noise fari?

[mighty stump]

They just run Hyper Voice and Psyshock now

Last ive sene

Psyshock for Flutter Mane specifically

You generally want Sitrus/Goggles

Otherwise you either lose to Amoonguss or lose to the double up

[runic bloom]

amongus

[next stump]

yeah I do

[mighty stump]

Well specifically paired with BM Ursa

Or so thats the set ive mainly seen that I like

[mental glen]

I would like help my brother like pokemon but he always loses could someone help make a team using these pokemon: Mew serperior meowscarada rillaboom greninja and koraidon please give me a good team for my brother and if needed change the order (for singles battles)

[runic bloom]

no

[brazen bough]

yeah im running bm fari + registeel

ive done really good with recently

[mental glen]

Lol that was quick but ok

[lyric sleet]

Can anyone trade me a miraidon for my koraidon or any of my shiny ?

[brazen bough]

2 of these arent legal

[brazen bough]

#trading_sv

[mental glen]

He doesn't do VGC he just wants the team to battle me and other friends

[brazen bough]

how do you go about thinking about how much speed to invest into evs

[real prairie]

I'm looking at starting either a F2P or a buy in competitive Pokémon league. (Prizes distributed amongst the league positions)

No pro players, standard European league format (all competitors play each other twice over X amount of weeks to determine the champion, probably 2x best of 3)

Let me know if this is something you'd be into by reacting to this and I can get a grasp on if it's viable.

[brazen bough]

and also like hp and defenses

[next stump]

mostly just looking at what is meta and what hits I want to survive and if it’s reasonable

[brazen bough]

ehh wrong channel for this use twitter

[real prairie]

Really, would have thought people might be into it, fair enough. Sorry

[runic bloom]

[brazen bough]

• im not even sure thats allowed in the server

[brazen bough]

ik that but i mean like how to distribute points like how do i know when i should invest into defenses to live a hit as opposed to hp

[real prairie]

I mean, it can either or, happy for it to be F2P

The idea of prizes was just an option

[runic bloom]

i’d be dead before i play f2p

[next stump]

use a damage calc to test different spreads and see which one is more efficient

usually it’s pretty easy by just looking at the pokémon’s base stats, you want to invest in lower stats

that’s why flutter mane dumps into defense

[brazen bough]

alr

[real prairie]

Maybe Ive come across the wrong way, I meant free to play league amongst us

[runic bloom]

ask tofu

[surreal echo]

@next stump what’s your opinion on Walking Wake sun?

[real prairie]

So like 20 or so players, all play each other twice making a league table

[next stump]

not bad for ladder play but I haven’t seen it get a ton of success

[surreal echo]

Hm

Wonder why

[brazen bough]

i mean there is a cool team going around with jumpluff and torkoal im pretty sure its the most popular

but thats about the most results i have personally seen out of it

[surreal echo]

Yeah I know

[brazen bough]

like top 25 in the winter challenge

[real prairie]

@mighty stump would starting a league amongst us in here be against the rules if it were just done for pride?

[surreal echo]

Among us?

[runic bloom]

among us

[surreal echo]

[runic bloom]

[brazen bough]

"Help and discussion regarding the competitive scene."

that is ultimately the role of this channel according to the desc

[unkempt flax]

I can’t tell if I’m going crazy, but I thought burn affected body press as a move?

Or have I been lying to myself for the past week

[tired sage]

it does

[brazen bough]

it does

[unkempt flax]

Then dude, even burned, body press still does a crazy amount

[runic bloom]

it does

[brazen bough]

but im pretty sure that burns like lower the damage but not that much lol

[tired sage]

but if the opponent has too much defense the burn isn’t really gonna help

[unkempt flax]

Real

[brazen bough]

my registeel body presses do like 50% to dragonites

[runic bloom]

Are you the ceo of wo chien

[unkempt flax]

Like my 2+ kommo-o did 60% to an Entei,

[unkempt flax]

Yes

[brazen bough]

move is pretty insane once you get the ball rolling

[unkempt flax]

Deadass. I’ve been between using Registeel and Kommo-o. Like I’m loving just using body press, it’s so much fun

I might still go with Registeel, just because Tera water has been beating Entei and chien-pao

[tired sage]

registeel is really nice

it fits it’s niche like a puzzle piece

[unkempt flax]

Deadass tho. Glim + Registeel has been my favourite combo all week

I’m really trying to perfect it

[tired sage]

i’m loving dengo sm

if you predict and take risks right, you get rewarded really well

[unkempt flax]

Real

[tired sage]

oh and also mienshao

it baits out so many dazzle, MIR, expanding forces

[unkempt flax]

Anyways, said this 3 weeks ago. But this regulation has been the funnest format, outside of series 7 SWSH and the majority of the Sun and Moon formats

[tired sage]

cause people forget that mienshao gets wg

[brazen bough]

ehhhh

you had me at dengo and registeel

[tired sage]

well sure it’s not the best

[unkempt flax]

REGISTEEL METIONED 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[tired sage]

but mienshao carrying my team as well as dengo
wide guard inner focus fake out

and it’s pretty fast too

[brazen bough]

i mean im using registeel at charlotte

so ofc im biased towards it

[runic bloom]

[noble hollow]

Trying to make a team but need to trade evolve 2 pokemon. Where do I go to get a trustworthy trade?

[karmic temple]

#trading_sv_pokedex

Just find someone looking for a touch trade, or someone who’s also needing help evolving pokemon

[noble hollow]

Thanks

[karmic temple]

Never had a problem before, people are trustworthy

[real prairie]

My last point on the matter, sorry.

Incase anyone was interested in the league =>
#1196869047082557480

[unkempt flax]

Man I wish I had time to do shit like that

I wanted to go to Toronto for the last 3 regionals it had, but I’m either to busy at with work, or the flights just don’t work with my time

[runic bloom]

i thought you were ceo of wo chien

[unkempt flax]

I am

[runic bloom]

YOU JUST CHANGED IT

[runic bloom]

[near crag]

Does anyone have a set for gholdengo? It’s leftovers, sb, make it rain, np, protect

[karmic temple]

Gholdengo @ Leftovers
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 196 HP / 212 Def / 60 SpA / 4 SpD / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Nasty Plot
• Protect

The godly drago build

[warped mason]

132 spa specs flutter moonblast should be a 2 shot onto tera water urshifu with the spread i mentioned

[bold geode]

Timid or Modest?

[timber falcon]

no sp def?

i guess the defense is better though tbh

[karmic temple]

It’s modest

[bold geode]

I mean some MIGHT be needed, idk depends on team but usually you wanna live a Sucker from Chien Pao

[karmic temple]

And naw it’s more physically bulky since it’s only special threat is what, flutter? If that

[timber falcon]

yeah now that i think about it, that defense boost wouldve won me a ton of games, kept getting my gholdengo jumped by urshi

but im just gonna invest full hp and def

[karmic temple]

Now why would you do that

[timber falcon]

why not

i aint scared of no flutter 😤

[bold geode]

Oh you want some Spdef investment
Just calc for things
Also if Urshifu Dark is in front of you, it's clicking Wicked Blow, which is probably not as good to calc for even with tera

[timber falcon]

true. but on most cases id just swap and spore

[bold geode]

Yeah, but a good amount of the time you probably lose momentum that way

Sometimes they may want you to do that

[timber falcon]

i guess. but im confident in my coverage for urshi. as in i do not send gholdengo when i see any urshi

[strange fjord]

then why go max def for the urshifu match up

[timber falcon]

not just that, things like chien pao and dragonite is what ive seen really hurt my gholdengo

and in showdown theres no way to tell if its dark or water

[karmic temple]

Same with in game up until they call it out

[timber falcon]

ah so u really cant tell

[strange fjord]

252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Stomping Tantrum vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 150-178 (77.3 - 91.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

you get 2hko by dnite no matter what

[timber falcon]

normally its eq no?

[strange fjord]

252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Stomping Tantrum vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gholdengo: 108-128 (55.6 - 65.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[bold geode]

No, Tantrum
Rillaboom too prevalent for EQ

[timber falcon]

ive actualy never seen a tantrum dragonite lol, normally i see flying types with it, or protect chein pao

[strange fjord]

around 5-12% run EQ while 55-74% run Stomping (depending on the elo)

[timber falcon]

ah ok

i guess ill add at least some in sp def

https://pokepast.es/3a75a984415d52c5 for reference this is the team

grass knot shouldnt be ther

[strange fjord]

oh yeah, Spread Damage EQ does the same as single target Stomping

[timber falcon]

oh damn ok

[bold geode]

Nah
Rillaboom dampens EQ so

[timber falcon]

so max defense non tera can tank a hit, very nice

[strange fjord]

assuming rilla didnt set terrain

[pale kiln]

How would iron defence body press archaludon do

[timber falcon]

risky imo

[bold geode]

I know at least EQ and Bulldoze are weaker due to terrain, which honestly it's basically more worth just running Tantrum on things that can vs EQ

[timber falcon]

terrain makes them weaker?!

[bold geode]

Yes

[strange fjord]

Only EQ and Bulldoze tho

[timber falcon]

bro how do i not know these things#

[bold geode]

But Stomping Tantrum and basically single target Ground moves aren't iirc

[strange fjord]

Misty Terrain makes dragon moves weaker ;D (tho no one uses misty terrain)

[timber falcon]

by the way, how would one calc damage on mons?

[strange fjord]

https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com

[timber falcon]

ty

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to pizza.time

[bold geode]

I know Tantrum isn't weakened for sure
That's why Landorus T ran it over EQ

[timber falcon]

btw are there any opinions on these evs? i kinda made them on impulse so idk

i want a bulky oger so idk about having all that attack, but at the same time i want it to atleast hurt flutter or even OHKO

[strange fjord]

76+ Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane: 150-177 (114.5 - 135.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

for weaker flutter you dont need that much attack

bulkier flutter is another story tho. since you can't really tell what kind of flutter they are gonna use

[timber falcon]

Yeah, but these days most ppl aren’t dumb with flutters and add a bit of bulk I’m seeing

[karmic temple]

104 evs at level 50 is the same as 100, so move the 4spdef evs to speed ig on gholdengo

For oger i like 252/76/76/0/60/44 as a bulkier spread

Hp/atk/def/spatk/spdef/speed

[timber falcon]

Nice I’ll try it out

[karmic temple]

Also for moon id swap from jolly to adamant since you have torn as speed control already

Might as well give it that extra boost

[strange fjord]

MunchStats and Pikalytics can give you ideas on EVs and moves to run based off usage. Good place to get started in team building

Nice place to brainstorm then you can fine-tune your team afterward.

[worn slate]

What mons do u use for sand teams? I wanna use Bastiodon

[timber falcon]

Seems I showed old evs lol, yeah it’s been adamant for a while

Also recently I’ve noticed people are SHOOK when they see a smeargle

As in invest full turn into killing it, I’m a but confused by that

[karmic temple]

It’s because it’s a gimmick

And smeargle can have anymove it wants

People fear what they don’t know (what moves it has)

[pastel blade]

Is special or physical Giratina-O better?

For Violet

[bold geode]

Not legal rn so

[karmic temple]

It’s got a good move pool so just personal preference really

But ye you can only use it in casuals

[rapid mauve]

I have a lvl100 Adamant nature shiny heatmor with IVS:

HP 307
Attack 253
Defense 141
Speed 143
Sp Def 142
Sp Atk 216

I'm stuck on where I should put the EVs does anyone have any advice

[pastel blade]

Gotta flex the shiny in casuals🤣

[karmic temple]

Heatmor isn’t in sv, what format is this for?

[rapid mauve]

swsh

[karmic temple]

Uhh you can probably just do like max hp/attack ig since its so slow you don’t need the speed

[runic bloom]

trashmor

[sonic belfry]

Can you guys rate my team pls?

Peppermint (Incineroar) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Fake Out
• Parting Shot
• Flare Blitz
• Darkest Lariat

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Earthquake
• Rock Slide
• Taunt

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Ice Spinner
• Iron Head

Remy (Raichu) (M) @ Light Clay
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Fake Out
• Volt Switch
• Reflect
• Light Screen

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Dazzling Gleam
• Power Gem
• Mystical Fire

Among us (Amoonguss) @ Leftovers
Ability: Effect Spore
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Spore
• Giga Drain
• Toxic
• Hex

[supple ether]

Please use pokepast.es in the future

[sonic belfry]

My bad 😔

[supple ether]

Incineroar is pretty unusual, usually prefers to be a suppirting mon running either blitz OR lariat. Prefering utility moves like helping hand, or even protect

Espefially with leftovers youre fonna want protect

[supple ether]

Though sitrus berry is far more common due to.the bulk

Also you have two leftovers

See the pinned blog for a standard ininceroar set

[sonic belfry]

Yeah, this is my first time team building.

[supple ether]

Ye, it's not bad just some tweaks here and there

Better than me probably

[sonic belfry]

Thanks for your help tho! I think I'll give peppermint a sitris berry and give it taunt instead of flare blitz.

[fluid wind]

https://pokepast.es/ea2c2ffade0f5a9a went 10-3 with this team so might make it in scarlet

[supple ether]

Covert cloak thundurud continuing to be the most underrated pokemon this format

[fluid wind]

lol

[fiery escarp]

which draft do yall think will win lol

[vapid comet]

that A-Tales team looks ass ngl

the Darkrai team is sorta questionable too because there's 17 Ice types, but it looks a lil better

[fiery escarp]

So my team was built around dewgong with the sole purpose of messing with people

And I meant which one would win in a classic 6v6

[vapid comet]

Chandelure blows up the entire team

Muk is your best option, but it gets chipped super easily, and you need it for Darkrai too

[fiery escarp]

Loses to muk and I can just sack to send in wellspring

[fiery escarp]

Klefki hard walls darkrai

[vapid comet]

not really

but also

[fiery escarp]

How does darkrai hit klefki

[vapid comet]

how do you break their team

[fiery escarp]

Wellspring

And first impression (slither wing)

[vapid comet]

Obama sits on Wellspring forever

so does Empoleon

[fiery escarp]

Superpower?

[vapid comet]

Lando beats Slither Wing

I'm not saying you don't have any options

[fiery escarp]

Hard switch into one of my thousand ice types

[vapid comet]

but I'm saying that the matchup strongly favors the team on the right

[fiery escarp]

What are the right side's wincons

Chandelure, empoleon, lando

And I'm pretty sure they all lose a 1v1 to wellspring

[karmic temple]

Yeah right looks more solid

Idk how draft works tho

[fiery escarp]

Well I know their team and they know mine

We use 6 mons

[karmic temple]

Is it doubles or singles?

[fiery escarp]

Singles

[fiery escarp]

I need to know what I lose to specifically

[vapid comet]

there isn't 1 mon that just sweeps your team

[fiery escarp]

Then give me a few

[vapid comet]

in their position I'd probably bring like

Darkrai/Lando/Aboma/Chande/+2

probably Empoleon

and ig one of the Snow abusers

or Garde

[fiery escarp]

Wellspring klefki muk alotales slither wing flygon(steel)

Klefki/alotales/muk/slither, alotales/wellspring, muk/slither, muk/wellspring/flygon, wellspring

I have a lot of anti-ice and I can just dps the gardevoir

[near crag]

does anyone have some tips on how to optimize evs? I'm new to this

[nocturne holly]

guess what

I have a cool color L

[tough idol]

Pink Sours

[crude flame]

Can anyone tell me the point of hyper training? I keep seeing it talked about but I’m wondering why you can’t just use items to get exactly what you want. Sorry I’m super nooby to Pokemon PvP so still trying to learn

[fiery escarp]

Hyper training gives IVs instead of EVs

EVs are the ones boosted by items (medicine and mochi) while IVs come with the mon

[crude flame]

Ah gotcha so are you just wanting max IVs with every mon?

[fiery escarp]

Depends, if it's a special attacker then having a low phys attack is preferred (so you wont be foul played) and if it's in trick room then you want low speed

[tired atlas]

New team idea: Mochi

[azure ether]

physical tera blast users also prefer low sp Atk

[fiery escarp]

That too

[crude flame]

Huh ok is there a good site or something where I can find optimal or meta builds for pokemon? I’m too used to Pokemon go lol

[fiery escarp]

Smogon ig

[azure ether]

pikalytics as well

[crude flame]

Awesome thanks so much I really appreciate it. So much to learn still lol and I still need to figure out how to do union quests because that’s apparently how I unlock the rest of the legendaries

@fiery escarp thanks for the info

[gentle crag]

suppert has given 1 Gen Rep to knownasesu

[fiery escarp]

Np

[autumn kelp]

You can have the site but I recommend also viewing how to use the info the site presents you

[lofty tartan]

132 SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 20 HP / 92 SpD Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 151-178 (84.8 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

132+ SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 20 HP / 92 SpD Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 165-195 (92.6 - 109.5%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

132 SpA Choice Specs Tera Fairy Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 20 HP / 92 SpD Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 202-238 (113.4 - 133.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Just trying to help

[bold geode]

Tf is Mochi?

[nocturne holly]

idk

[tough idol]

#indigo_disk-ussion head over there and you'll see

[bold geode]

Oh God we have another cult

Fuck it

Mochi

[feral wraith]

Indeed

[warped mason]

The spread was 28 Hp. If i said something different then my b.

It was meant for timid specs

[tired atlas]

[lofty tartan]

Oh yeah a friend had tacked the spread up in another server, but previously you had given them 20/92, to my knowledge.

That's actually what's in your paste, too

[warped mason]

Yea just checked, I put it wrong in my paste

[lofty tartan]

All good - this is why several eyes on things is helpful

[bold geode]

[warped mason]

Appreciate it

On ladder I climbed with 28 hp

Very fast climb

[bold geode]

Mochi mochi

[lofty tartan]

Personally not a fan of bulked Urshifu - takes away from his speed and damage, but everyone plays differently

[warped mason]

I might try hyper offensive urshifu tbh

Mainly because i missed a KO with tera water surging strikes on an oranguru

[lofty tartan]

Ouch

[warped mason]

And got obliterated by trickroom

[lofty tartan]

I run 4/252/28/4/220

[lunar fiber]

#indigo_disk-ussion is brainrot rn

[lofty tartan]

Just a more efficient calc into espeed than 44/4

[warped mason]

Whats the 220 speed bump and 28 defense for?

I assume adamant?

[lofty tartan]

The 4/28 is calced vs Espeed because scarf. And no bump on speed because Adamant. Bumps only happen on positive stat natures.

[bold geode]

Mochi mochi

[warped mason]

Right my b

[bold geode]

Also bro I'm the local idiot, you can't take my spot

[lunar fiber]

This exactly happened in the unite discord

[lofty tartan]

But mostly people run 44/4 hp/def on Scarf for Espeed and you get the same calc, roughly, with 28/4

And you get more EVs for speed dump

[warped mason]

That seems better yea

[lofty tartan]

I've run it for awhile now and haven't really looked back

I usually either run this or 252/252 Sash? lmao

[warped mason]

For the hyper offense team I'm using, scarf is definitely the way to go.

[lofty tartan]

You can still get HO with Sash. It's basically just a guaranteed survival to squeeze off another hit. Maybe they try to KO the 1 hp Urshifu and you protect and they waste a turn 🤷

But I get you. I prefer Scarf most times.

[errant heath]

I wanna ask, whats with so many builds having the held item Heavy Duty Boots? I understand that it helps for traps but (as far as Ive seen from other discussions on SV’s new gimmick so pls correct me if Im wrong) traps arent as big of an issue as they were back then. Is it bc some builds dont have a need for other items & the boots are placeholders, or are they still useful? ie Milotic’s defensive builds on smogon both have it attached to it

[bold geode]

That's for singles mostly

[karmic temple]

Gouging fire is so nice

[errant heath]

So traps arent all that in doubles?

[karmic temple]

Not common at all

The closest you could find would maybe be glim because of its ability

[errant heath]

Hm.. so Milotic can only be as good as it could be in singles?. I was really hoping to make use of it in doubles tbh

[karmic temple]

Oh Milotic is great for doubles just depends how you wanna build it

[errant heath]

Im highly considering, you right, my only tiny gripe is that there are only builds with heavy duty boots, as far as ive seen

With milotic i mean

[molten cedar]

The ones on smogon are for RU and UU, both singles metagames

[karmic temple]

Smogon games (ou, uu, ubers) are different than actual vgc games

For milotic you typically go leftovers for competitive or burn orb for marvel scale

[errant heath]

Burn orb marvel scale sounds good, but i wanna continue research. Is there any other good sites for builds? Game8 or sumthin?

[karmic temple]

God no

[errant heath]

Lmao i have no idea

[molten cedar]

Just use smogon

Well, for the Pokémon that have analysis

The rest you have to obtain through different means

[karmic temple]

If you check the pins there’s plenty of useful links, as for specific builds you can check out pikalytics or munchstats and search for specific pokemon and see the most common items/builds and pick one you like the most

[errant heath]

They said smogon’s only good for singles

[cyan smelt]

Use pikalytics and munchstats

[molten cedar]

There are analysis for VGC, though most of them for meta Pokémon

[errant heath]

You right but Im looking to work on Milotic, & it only has RU & UU

[karmic temple]

I’m telling you

Check out pikalytics or munchstats

Smogon is fine but those two sites offer more

[errant heath]

you right you right lmao I will, im just repeating what you said to him, & that Milotic builds on smogon arent helping rn

[tired sage]

[tidal blade]

i think i cooked with this strat maybe
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2036931043-hvfv38swmi5hpovis2emx0i98beyk47pw

[split musk]

Found out Pecharunt is a mythical and will probably not be allowed in ranked battle 😢. I really like using him

[tidal blade]

add pecharunt to the list of annoying luck based strategies if it was allowed in vgc

[kindred cypress]

Until the end of sv

When they’ll inevitably allow everything

[tidal blade]

pecharunt is going to be a nightmare for me lol

i already hate fighting glimmora so adding confusion to the mix will actually make me go crazy

[cyan smelt]

Own tempo bout to go ham

[tidal blade]

poison and steel type usage 📈

[cyan smelt]

Unlikely tinkaton comeback

[tidal blade]

tinkaton doesnt make sense to me

gamefreak- lets give this cool and unique mon a powerful signature move, but give it a bad attack stat so it's not overpowered.
gamefreak about 10 months later- Lets copy the signature move but give it to a base 135 spatk monster. Its also just a regional form but it stands up and looks slightly different

[cyan smelt]

Ig they didn't want another zacian

[nocturne holly]

wait what does pecarunt do

[nocturne holly]

what Mon is this

OH BM URSA

[dapper crag]

Move: Blood Moon

Cannot be selected the turn after it's used.

Type

Normal

Category

Special

Power

140

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[nocturne holly]

it’s actually 20 less 🤓

[tidal blade]

monstrous 160 base defense and arguably the most annoying ability in the game

if a mon gets poisoned it also gets confused

[nocturne holly]

no way that twig has 160 def

I bet I could punt that thing across the country

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1025: Pecharunt

Types

Poison/Ghost

Abilities

Poison Puppeteer

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/88/160/88/88/88

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[restive raven]

What would be a better nature for fezandipiti jolly or impish?

[nocturne holly]

bro whaat

[dapper crag]

Ability: Poison Puppeteer

If this Pokemon poisons or badly poisons a target, the target also becomes confused.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[nocturne holly]

😭

[dapper crag]

Pecharunt's moveset:

Physical Moves

Astonish, Foul Play, Gunk Shot, Phantom Force, Poltergeist, Rollout

Special Moves

Acid Spray, Hex, Malignant Chain, Night Shade, Shadow Ball, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Smog, Tera Blast, Venoshock

Status Moves

Curse, Defense Curl, Destiny Bond, Endure, Fake Tears, Imprison, Mean Look, Memento, Nasty Plot, Parting Shot, Poison Gas, Protect, Recover, Rest, Sleep Talk, Spite, Substitute, Toxic, Withdraw

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Pecharunt.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[nocturne holly]

Parting shot 😭😭😭

[dapper crag]

Move: Malignant Chain

Has a 50% chance to badly poison the target.

Type

Poison

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[nocturne holly]

that’s wild

-calc 100/80

[gentle crag]

Result: 1.250000

[bold geode]

Rate the drip

Anyways how we doing in here tonight, got some cooks going on or?

Oh we dead ok

Probably for the best

[upper fulcrum]

How to report a hacked Mandibuzz with automatic +6 defense and moves it doesn’t get

[cyan smelt]

Like what moves

[upper fulcrum]

Just wasting my and other peoples time

[cyan smelt]

Mandibuzz can get iron defense

[mighty stump]

Man

You again

[upper fulcrum]

Nah this one had Toxic, shit was removed from all poison types in swsh lol

Thank god move ruined the game

[bold geode]

Wow don't you have better things to do like idk
Having a fucking life
Get off Discord, you got a family

[tired atlas]

It... it got added back, didn't it?

[mighty stump]

What the fuck

Why are you all mochi

[upper fulcrum]

To a limited set of poison mons

[bold geode]

Wym Tofu

[tired atlas]

What do you mean?

[bold geode]

We're not Mochi

Are you ok bro

[mighty stump]

Youre gaslighting me

Theres no way

[tired atlas]

Tofu, would I ever gaslight you

[bold geode]

What no we aren't

I would never bro

[bold geode]

Huh
Your Discord must be bugging then mine is fine

[mighty stump]

Is there some new react role i didnt get

[tired atlas]

Nah it's back for Mandibuzz, I checked Showdown

[bold geode]

No there shouldn't be

Idk what you're seeing but I'm not seeing it

[fringe hatch]

What y'all think of my unoriginal hisu sneazler?

Unburden, Normal gem , fake out, close combat, acrobatics, swords dance?

Was also thinking white herb close combat and x-sciccor/u-turn instead of fake out.

Does unburden boost stay if you switch out?

[mighty stump]

Unburden is lost on switch

[fringe hatch]

Good to know

[mighty stump]

Normal Gem is too dependant on Fake Out

[upper fulcrum]

Lmfao now a Comfey with leech seed, like do people not know how to play Pokémon

[bold geode]

Idt you do

1. Shut up
2. Play

[upper fulcrum]

Only viable set is calm mind,
Giga, d kiss and synthesis

[mighty stump]

Dude I said it before just because you don’t know what Pokemon does what doesn’t mean we need a play-by-play complaint line, and that set is even worse

Who tf runs Synthesis ever

[fringe hatch]

The last 10 "casual" 3v3 matches I played had nothing but tryhards with meta sweepers. So maybe you are just unlucky. Or lucky depending on if you want players like that

[tired atlas]

Singles players, but that's like it

[mighty stump]

Its competitive

[fringe hatch]

I got sweeped by a Porygon z once. Just paraed my whole team and recovery spammed. It was tanky as fun and I didn't have a fighting type on my team lol.

[mighty stump]

What else would people run other than good sets

[lofty tartan]

Bad stuff.

[fringe hatch]

Try casual 3 v 3s then

All the tryhards seem to like to beat up noobs like me

[lofty tartan]

O.o

[bold geode]

Fresh meat

[mighty stump]

People in casual sometimes use it as a testing ground for non-existent formats

Casual ladder is worse and 3v3 is already known for wack coinflip stuff

[lofty tartan]

I'm confused. I thought we were in the competitive channel here

[mighty stump]

For any and all purposes even testing should just be done in Ranked or better, showdown

[bold geode]

I mean
We do talk about random shit too

[mighty stump]

That goes for any chat that ends up going off topic

[bold geode]

But y'know what happens on Showdown

[fringe hatch]

I use casual 3 v 3 to test mons and I keep getting wrecked so it makes me lose confidence to go back to competitive lol

[lofty tartan]

Yeah but like tryhards means like the people playing doulbes trying to use good stuff that helps them win, right?

It's fine to talk about random stuff but to actively be talking about it like that in this channel seems weird xD

[mighty stump]

Again, its better to test on the actual ranked ladder to see whats actually going on

Or use Showdown

[lofty tartan]

^^^

[mighty stump]

Cause if what you figure out works

and it already accounts for the real metagame

Then you’re going to climb anyways

Which reminds me @bold geode ill send the Okidogi stuff later

[bold geode]

Pog

[mighty stump]

See

This just shows overall

How I never leave this chat

[kind ember]

Just used protect on choice specs fluttermane

[outer dagger]

So sick of playing muk smeargle teams

[kind ember]

Taunt

[mighty stump]

So are the rest of us

Lmao

Any weight based move i.e. Heat Crash/ Heavy Slam never misses on Muk and does double damage
Sacred Sword ignores stat changes
Clear Smog has no accuracy check
Haze

[cyan smelt]

Kowtow

[mighty stump]

Kowtow

Aerial Ace Dnite if its Banded

or just run Dondozo

[outer dagger]

Currently using Tera grass gouging with dd and heat crash

[mighty stump]

Most important thing is just removing Smeargle on turn 1

[outer dagger]

I know how to check it it’s just way too popular and annoying rn

[bold geode]

I was judging a tournament
And at first it went 3-0 in said tournament
I know I'm probably not supposed to have bias in that situation, but there's a chance I was praying on it's downfall

[near crag]

what is a good tera type for gholdango? Should I run dragon, or fairy for defense, or steel to blow stuff up?

[pale kiln]

What’s a good Pokémon to shut down inceneroar

[mighty stump]

Steel/Dragon is fine, Steel has been used offensive on Anton Galkin's team taht topped Portland recently.

[mighty stump]

Theoretically, Annihilape

Overall, Urshifu-Water

Flutter still chunks it too

[pale kiln]

Ok

[smoky hawk]

Just have solace in knowing smeargle muk will never top a regional or higher

[pale kiln]

Lol I just fought that team

[dawn crown]

does anyone have a water ogerpon and lando I ev spread?

[mighty stump]

Brady's twitter has those spreads

[dawn crown]

?

[mighty stump]

https://twitter.com/vgccorner just scroll through this.

[dawn crown]

ty

[pale kiln]

I need help with my team cause I have tornadus, urshifu rapid strike, iron crown and indeedee and I don’t know what to add

[autumn kelp]

What are you trying to achieve?

[lofty tartan]

You can add Landorus and Chi-Yu and it'll help cover for things that scare Crown

Landorus Incarnate

That's the easy answer, but it's a solid team.

[pale kiln]

Thanks

[mighty stump]

-calc 205/1.5

[gentle crag]

Result: 136.666667

[summer shore]

@mighty stump hi dubu

[mighty stump]

Wtf

[summer shore]

¿

[mighty stump]

Why'd u call me dubu

[summer shore]

Tofu dubu same thing

[mighty stump]

Oh I forgor you're korean

Cause that's what she calls me 💀

[summer shore]

Oh is she Korean as well

[mighty stump]

Chinese but she works for a korean company

[summer shore]

Ah

Currently suffering in hot n humid

Brisbane summer is not so nice

[mighty stump]

I live in Indonesia you can't complain to me

[summer shore]

Thats true

But it was 27 degrees feels like 30 degrees at 7:30pn

What is up with that

[undone sage]

You're in Brisbane? 👀

[summer shore]

Yes moved up here last year from sydney for uni

[undone sage]

North or south side

[summer shore]

Smack bang in Brisbane city

[undone sage]

Ohhhh

Rich

[summer shore]

But ive been going down to mt gravatt and stuff recently

[summer shore]

Hahaha just subletting

[undone sage]

Hehehe

I'm north Bris

[mighty stump]

You shuold host Shiro for university

[summer shore]

Ooh

[undone sage]

Would be annoying travel 😛

[mighty stump]

You can rent to Shiro and Shiro can take care of your kids

lmaoo

[summer shore]

LOL

[undone sage]

👀

School starts next week so it's not so bad haha

[dull ibex]

hello

vc?

[dull ibex]

teach them ou

[mighty stump]

ew

might as well tell them to commit crime

n drop out of school

[dull ibex]

👀

bro I want to learn super auto pets

[undone sage]

Teach my kiddo how to win regionals $$$

[mighty stump]

just play TFT

[dull ibex]

no

[mighty stump]

Dominate the Juniors scene

[undone sage]

There weren't many of the juniors there at the last one!

[mighty stump]

ez money

[undone sage]

Make us rich Tofu

[mighty stump]

Split the winnings

[dull ibex]

tft is less hype then sap

[mighty stump]

False

[dull ibex]

correct

too long

[mighty stump]

Thats because you have ADHD

That's not TFT's fault

I turn on a baby sensory video and ur gonna say its more hype than Arcane cause it's "too long"

[dull ibex]

nuh uh

[mighty stump]

yuhhuh

[summer shore]

What the hell

[dull ibex]

one v one in smash about it

[mighty stump]

Why dont you smash some chicks bro

[dull ibex]

who says I dont

[mighty stump]

Your lifestyle

Someone hands u the wrong spoon what then

What then Red

[dull ibex]

I use it

[cyan smelt]

I'm thinking I need to add something with haze to my team to deal with dondozo and smeargle/muk

[autumn kelp]

do it

[mighty stump]

Yeah Haze is fine

[cyan smelt]

just dunno who to use and what to replace

[mighty stump]

I ran Pao

Lol

But it makes Pao have 4mss

[cyan smelt]

Idk I'm tempted to replace raging bolt with clodsire

[mighty stump]

As long as your initial 5 are solid enough to deal with the existing meta matchups

I don't see an issue.

[cyan smelt]

Farig, urshifu-r, flutter, rilla, kingambit

[mighty stump]

Answers into Psyspam/Giraffe + Ursaluna?

and Wellspring/Flutter leads on Prio Spam

[cyan smelt]

With psyspam I mostly lead farig, urshifu and U turn into either kingambit or rilla

I haven't really seen flutter/wellspring leads

I do struggle to deal with ursaluna

[autumn kelp]

ah the ladder, the variaty and randomness rng life

[cyan smelt]

I should lead rilla and urshifu against smeargle/muk

[zenith jungle]

https://pokepast.es/6611c6e3047d7822
Is this team balanced around regidrago, and overall is this team decent into the meta currently? I kinda feel like lacking a grass/electric move/mon is kinda a big hinderance considering how good water types are

Would y'all say regidrago is good on this team? He seems pretty good but I saw someone say that regid needs the team to fit around it and idk if mine does bc I barely built this thing

And haven't used the mon before

[sacred steeple]

hey guys im brand new to the competitive stuff, i wanted to ask if im able to use certain pokemon from previous games to SV and use them online?

or can it only be pokemon caught in game?

[next stump]

yes you can, as long as they’re legal with the current regulation ruleset

[mighty stump]

What if they're not legal DIllon

What do I do

[next stump]

cry

[sacred steeple]

;-;

[mighty stump]

Damn

Are you competing at Charlotte?

[sacred steeple]

who me?

[mighty stump]

Dillon.

[next stump]

yes I am

[mighty stump]

Running the same thing?

[next stump]

I fly out on friday morning

yes I am but I am still thinking about changing some IVs and tera’s

[mighty stump]

Safe travels guy

Have you considered Tera Grass on BM

[next stump]

yes I have, a lot

I get to sit in front of a lot of stuff

[mighty stump]

And? Everyone seems to be complaining about the MU but you can just alter the Tera, I'm sure the damage output change isnt that significant relative to the changed typing

Yet i've yet to see a full switch

[next stump]

I need to test it out some more, there are a few calcs that helping hand + tera normal gets that would be lost with grass tera. So it would be more so about game planning around those and how I deal with that

[mighty stump]

I see

And the mirror? Since the sudden shift

Thanks to the VR tour

[next stump]

like a lot of my TR gameplan is picking up helping hand + blood moon knockouts onto things that can’t protect like Incin, AV pokémon, etc. If they can stick around and stall out TR it could be annoying

yeah LOL i hate that the archetype got popular

[mighty stump]

Lmao

I think Wellspring would also be missed without being able to BM but Tera Normal +1 with Throat Spray should usually be enough no?

[next stump]

I think my main gameplan into the archetype is just knock out the farig and priority spam the rest of the matchup

[mighty stump]

Yeah

Sounds about right

[next stump]

like urshifu + pao, or even just rillaboom wood hammer gets it with helping hand or a tera

I am happy seeing these tommy tuesday results

[mighty stump]

Lmao

No mirror in sight

[next stump]

the rocky helmet dozo matchup is also annoying as fuck

[mighty stump]

I started running Haze Pao to try and clear it

Clear Smog Amoonguss also

[next stump]

yep, if you can clear its stats it is useless

no recovery

[mighty stump]

Chuppa's variation of 2-2-2 is pretty solid otherwise though

Glimmora is annoying as ever

Although again, if you have Guss, you don't care about Spikes

[next stump]

yeah the mind games with a dozo/glimmora lead are so annoying

[mighty stump]

Theyre always going to Protect Dozo + stay in an extra turn lmao

Well, ladder players od that

Darkshifu is also on the rise

I'm not sure how helpful that variation is anymore

Since Helmet is for Watershifu

[next stump]

yep I am hoping that scares away the matchup a little bit

just throw balance shit my way and I am happy

[mighty stump]

I've been helping Diddy and Slim prep for Charlotte

Im curious to see how the team will run

Bringing Gouging Fire

[unkempt flax]

I don’t hate the idea of Tera fairy amoonguss with dark shifu

[mighty stump]

Might as well Tera Dark and avoid Prankster Taunt and Psyspam

[unkempt flax]

Hmmm

[bold geode]

Pog

Uh oh Tofu's been infected

[chrome knot]

uh oh

I hate that, I liked when psyspam flew under the radar

[bold geode]

But now it won't
Psyspam on the rise, we shall conquer it

[chrome knot]

what

i PLAY psyspam lmao

[bold geode]

You're my next target then

We shall win against Psyspam

FOR VALHALLA

[molten oasis]

Ah that’s the mochi thing

[lofty tartan]

Out here talking crap about psyspam, Monke?

[molten oasis]

Alright, I need a Mon to build with

[polar canyon]

Based

[polar canyon]

Primarina

[molten oasis]

What should I cook with?

ok back to Prima then

[polar canyon]

Sinistcha support

[near crag]

does anyone have a spread for lo chien pao? thanks in advance

[mighty stump]

Max max

Lol

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/4afe2d523c5719fc here’s the team I want to test next

[polar canyon]

I thought about running it with friend guard maus

Primarina

[zenith jungle]

Did my message just send? It's not showing up on my end

[polar canyon]

If it was a super long message it was probably deleted

[zenith jungle]

Ah ok I'll shorten it then

[polar canyon]

If you're sending an entire team just send a pokepaste

[zenith jungle]

Ohh I accidentally edited it instead of replying to it, I'll just resend the message then

[molten oasis]

I need a way to set it up

[polar canyon]

If you don't know how to make one there's a button under the team you're building on showdown

[zenith jungle]

https://pokepast.es/6611c6e3047d7822
Is this team balanced around regidrago, and overall is this team decent into the meta currently? I kinda feel like lacking a grass/electric move/mon is kinda a big hinderance considering how good water types are

[mighty stump]

Yeah but most Water types barring Primarina isnt going to eat Dragon Energy/Draco Meteor

Plus you have setup

So tis fine

If you force Wellspring to Tera that just frees up Amoonguss to do its job better

[zenith jungle]

I was looking at the teams on victoryroad and there weren't really similar ones

[molten oasis]

And empoleon, or does that not eat it?

[mighty stump]

Yeah but

Let's be real

Who's running Empoleon

[molten oasis]

Real

But also, who’s running Prima cough cough

[zenith jungle]

How do I deal with some of the meta mons? I know I use gholdengo for flutter but what about raging bolt or iron crown?

Regi incin for crown?

[molten oasis]

Drago handles bolt, dengo and incin should help for crown

Amoonguss also helps with bolt if it isn’t goggles

[zenith jungle]

So regidrago amoonguss for bolt I guess?

[polar canyon]

I've seen incin get cooked by tera blast water crown before but I don't think it happens way too often right

[zenith jungle]

Yea

I assume amoonguss gholdengo would be a good lead into flutter?

Also what about lando, chien pao, and bridge

[polar canyon]

Urshifu looks like it handles that well

You could switch to scarf if you wanna be extra sure against chien

[zenith jungle]

Also opposing amoonguss, walking wake, kingambit, hands, and entei

Sorry lmao

Just making sure I have meta answers

[polar canyon]

Ghold should deal with amoonguss right?

If it's mane + monguss

Maybe trick room could be kinda scary

[zenith jungle]

I assume I'd bring my own amoonguss there?

[polar canyon]

Sure

[zenith jungle]

Torn amoonguss?

[polar canyon]

That's a pretty passive lead

[zenith jungle]

Hmmm

[polar canyon]

You could threaten them with regidrago before the room gets set up

[zenith jungle]

So for amoonguss id probably bring my own amoonguss and ghold depending on the teammates, wake idk what id do besides maybe urshifu incin, kingambit id probably do the same, maybe the same for hands and entei tbh

[zenith jungle]

Bring amoonguss too I assume?

I'm new if you couldn't tell

I believe that's my last question tho

[polar canyon]

Idk how I'd go about tr with the team

If it's fake out + tr setup you don't have too much

[zenith jungle]

Tbh amoonguss drago seems pretty solid

[polar canyon]

If it's safety goggles farig I think they kinda just get a tr guaranteed with fake out

But other than that I think you're fine

[zenith jungle]

Wait what about torn taunt?

[polar canyon]

I'm not great at the game myself

[polar canyon]

Psychic terrain and armor tail can block it

[zenith jungle]

Oh right

[polar canyon]

For other setters you can try to go for it

[zenith jungle]

Grrr dumb giraffe

[polar canyon]

But they might also have mental herb

[zenith jungle]

Yeah I assume Amongus would be better for trick room in general

[polar canyon]

It is slower than most

Wont be able to sleep a burned ursaluna

[molten oasis]

Found a guy who just doesn’t attack, fun

[zenith jungle]

What are some common trick room teams

For giraffe I guess I'd just do incin drago, for ursaluna I'd probably use torn drago

[brazen bough]

wait if you put mochi in your name you get that role?

[mighty stump]

No

Gotta get infected

[mighty stump]

Its Ursaluna/Giraffe together lol

[zenith jungle]

Oh hmm

Yeah torn drago seems good

Maybe

Incin drago??

[mighty stump]

They usually have a Fake Out lead so

You definitely need to bring Gholdengo

and Amoonguss is in the back

[zenith jungle]

Gholdengo with what?

[molten oasis]

I hate chien pao

[zenith jungle]

Incin?

[graceful pelican]

Hey guys quick question, archaludon, how do I deal with it ? Like in general.

[grizzled bronze]

burst it with special attacks

[brazen bough]

k

seems like hunting for ursa is gonna take forever

[next stump]

it should be just 1/16 odds

[bold geode]

FUCK YOUR PSYSPAM

https://tenor.com/view/mic-drop-obama-barack-gif-13411519

[brazen bough]

leave 🚪 👈

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-reverse-card-gif-24856155

[mighty stump]

I still have yet to use my 1A1S Ursaluna

not 0 cause I'm number 1

[brazen bough]

ill take that off your hands sir

should i actually grind for 0 atk

along with 0 speed

[mighty stump]

0A0S is the same thing as 1A1S c:

and no

[lofty tartan]

Taking shots while I'm outside shoveling snow. That's low.

https://tenor.com/view/im-calm-stay-gif-25593175

[bold geode]

Mochi mochi

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump haha ur infected and stupid

now dance

[mighty stump]

Call me a slur why don't you

[chrome knot]

LOL

[mighty stump]

Is this what I am to you

[chrome knot]

!?

[mighty stump]

AM I

[brazen bough]

just found a shiny rare marked ursaring...

[brazen bough]

its 23 speed 😭

[bold geode]

Tofu cmon lmao

[brazen bough]

i probably should submit my team now

@next stump sorry for sudden ping but when going to charlotte im planning on heading there friday night

is there like a time i need to sign in on friday or something

i heard something about team sheets but like idk anything about that

[next stump]

Usually the venue is open from like 12-8PM on Friday to check in, or you can check in early Saturday morning

like 7:30AM

[brazen bough]

alright

anything i should make sure of when i get there

[next stump]

just make sure you submit your RK9 sheet by the night before

they print out the sheet for you at the venue

[chrome knot]

you can use extreme speed on rk9 to paste from showcown

[bold geode]

Use what now

[chrome knot]

extreme speed (?)

[bold geode]

Just to be clear, is this the Pokemon move or

[chrome knot]

web app that lets you paste showdown teams into rk9 team submission for regionals

[bold geode]

Oh ok
I thought you were talking about the move

I was like HUH

[tired atlas]

Mochiiiii

[bold geode]

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump scissors nation woowooo

[scarlet otter]

https://pokepast.es/4e0d9c77cf0e292d

Any ideas on how to deal with TR Farigaraf?

Or TR Indeede?

[scarlet otter]

MOCHI

[brazen bough]

k

[mighty stump]

Lmao

[lament condor]

Pecharunt is trash

[mighty stump]

just use Crown into it and reset TR

[scarlet otter]

What do you mean, I am confused?

[chrome knot]

also not legal

[scarlet otter]

Do I TR with Indeede to cancel it out

[lament condor]

At least I’m right

[chrome knot]

ok (?)

[scarlet otter]

I've tried that before but it's not that reliable since if the opponent decides to not TR I get in big trouble

And the in game ladder is a big mess, people be running Choice Specs Protect

[brazen bough]

i just realized

imprison fari may fuck me over

[scarlet otter]

I should put some footage of 3 different people using Choice Specs Protect Flutter Mane

[scarlet otter]

Oh Imprison

Who do I swap out for a Imprison, TR Flutter Mane?

Or I can just use Indeede

Well should I remove Helping Hand or Follow Me?

[smoky hawk]

I wish it got mortal spin

[scarlet otter]

Or Shell Smash

And it should

The arms it has look like a shell

[smoky hawk]

Yes many more good options

But they gave it parting shot

[scarlet otter]

Parting Shot is good for it

It's very physically bulky

[smoky hawk]

That's the one bright spot

It's funny that poison gas is one of its best moves

[molten oasis]

How we doing y’all

https://pokepast.es/2e638c0ea010e2d5 also curious on thoughts about this

[brazen bough]

no

honestly a cool team

[molten oasis]

No, that’s a weird pokemon

[brazen bough]

lemme send something rq too that you should look at

[molten oasis]

Ok

[brazen bough]

https://x.com/Jaylun44/status/1747661527703052501?s=20 you could really use a tr mode on the team so i recommend this on here

because im not too big a fan of prima without tr

and this also gives you maybe other options that can help you with your team if you are really interested in gouging fire

[molten oasis]

This is a more balance team not necessary a tr team

[brazen bough]

yea but i mean you need a tr mode for prima

i think you could mesh this with your team and make something crazy

[molten oasis]

It functions VERY differently if I end up adding tr, as this Prima is a set up sweeper while most tr Prima are more immediate offense

Like I’d have to rebuild

With a tr mode in mind

Which I can experiment with

[brazen bough]

i recommend going a faster prima then

[molten oasis]

What notable mons do I need to be outspeeding with primarina, a base 60 Mon

Cuz I don’t have speed control

[brazen bough]

bolt

imo so yea

[molten oasis]

That’s a ton of invest

That I need in bulk

[brazen bough]

thats why i think fari would be good here

bolts are super common

and its speed tier is awkward here at least i think

on paper thats what im seeing idk how it actually plays in game

[molten oasis]

Yea I need 132 in that

And also, I have lando for bolt

And Tera dragon (I may change to grass) will resist the electric and let me get a moonblast off

Then if I go grass it takes another dragon move unless it’s Draco

[brazen bough]

yeah grass for sure

[molten oasis]

Which I also think it takes if it’s grass Tera

[brazen bough]

tera dragon isnt as splashable as people make it out to be imo

[molten oasis]

It’s Mon dependent

I need to do grass now that I think about it cuz of amoonguss

Amoonguss “walls” it but I can also set up fairy safely

If I grass

Anyway the main thing, if I add Fari I have to rebuild

Tr doesn’t work for this team

[forest arrow]

Grass on Prim?

[bold geode]

I'm putting together a cabinet
Actually having fun arranging room

Already put up a net for plushies too

Anyways how we doing chat

[fringe hatch]

I keep getting sweeped by legendary Pokemon like urshafu and the sword dog. How do I stop these jerks lol

[bold geode]

Zacian? Idk

[fringe hatch]

In having the worst luck man. I missed a 90 mentor mash but this jerk landed 3 fire blasts in a row

[polar canyon]

yo

[polar canyon]

Dusk mane necrozma can stop zacian

Isn't that what they use for it in ubers?

[fringe hatch]

Remove crits from competitive lol

[chrome knot]

no?

[polar canyon]

Honestly what would be so bad if they made crits exclusive to at least +1 crit rate

And crit moves

That would remove most crit rng and not ruin moves and strats that depend on it

[tired sage]

[strange fjord]

but what about my "I can still win if I get 2 Crits and they miss twice I win." mentality when I super behind?

[nocturne holly]

what

[tough idol]

RNG to get the blood pumping lol

[nocturne holly]

can you rephrase that for my dumbass

[tough idol]

@nocturne holly certain game conditions where you are behind but can still win if you get crit hits and your opponent misses.

[nocturne holly]

I see

I mean is that’s not a good mentality

[tough idol]

Removal of crits as the other person suggested just makes that a you've lost situation.

[tired sage]

i mean…
it’s the aspect of rng

and the reason why you play till the end

[nocturne holly]

when I’m SUPER SUPER behind I’m not thinking about crits and rng, I’m thinking on what I could’ve led, terad, etc for a better

[tough idol]

I like the rng aspect. Like you said ain't over till its over

[nocturne holly]

relying on crits like that isn’t a good mentslity

I mean it’s always an aspect to look for, a win condition in some scenarios

but I find I’m looking at what I could’ve done better

[bold geode]

Yeah if you have to rely on a crit, odds are you could've done something better

[runic bloom]

hey chat

[tough idol]

[icy estuary]

Hey guys just arrived on the server but are there good resources for in game pvp? I know smogon of course but it gives the meta for their own tiers which are not the ones in battle stadium so the tiers should be slightly different. Is there some website similar to pvpoke (for pokemon go) but that applies to scarlet and violet? Thanks!

[smoky hawk]

Pikalytics and munchstats are helpful

[nocturne holly]

ong

are you still cooking with annihilape

[molten oasis]

Probably

[icy estuary]

Thank you will look into that!

[gentle crag]

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