Wait I'm thinking of Draco meteor
#competitive_discussion
zenith jungle
supple ether
Was gonna say lol
zenith jungle
Said team: https://pokepast.es/6611c6e3047d7822
I know incin drago is good for psyspam at least
mighty stump
Incin + Gholdengo for FO NPlot. Torn + Regidrago for immediate offense. Amoonguss/Incin for a slow play lead. Regidrago + Amoonguss for redirection + offense. Amoonguss Gholdengo for redirection + setup. Urshifu + Incin for FO Surging Strikes pressure.
supple ether
Hmm amoongus seems like a natural partner to drago or gholdengo. If not lead with, in the back with
zenith jungle
Yeah amoonguss ggo seems good bc redirect and nasty plot
supple ether
Tofu actually ridiculously quick and thoeough lmao
zenith jungle
Woah
zenith jungle
Incin + Gholdengo for FO NPlot. Torn + Regidrago for immediate offense. Amoongus...
May I ask when to use these
mighty stump
That's dependant on the opposing team.
And probably up to you to figure it out, cause that's part of learning the team
zenith jungle
I see
mighty stump
Otherwise I might as well play for you x3
But for example
Each lead has certain tickboxes that you'd want to consider
e.g. for Regidrago + Tornadus
- Do they have a switch in for Regidrago?
- Are they able to equalise board states/have any sort of pressure to prevent simultaneous TW + Dragon Energy
If they dont have Fake Out pressure, a way to equalise board states to outspeed Regidrago, or lack a switch in
bold geode
Otherwise I might as well play for you x3
mighty stump
Then you can safely assume Regidrago is free to click Dragon Energy and run through their team.
Incineroar + Amoonguss can act as a generalist lead. Since its utility + horizontal synergy allows you to reposition the board freely to your mon of chioce.
You'd already be considering your potential wincons before the match has started i.e. on team preview.
zenith jungle
I see, I suppose that'd come from learning which mons have what tools and learning the damn type chart
mighty stump
Basically.
zenith jungle
Thank you tufo
bold geode
WuudTufo
zenith jungle
Indeed
supple ether
18*18 is 324. That's a crazy amount of type matchups
zenith jungle
If you're talking about memorizing you don't have to memorize neutral interactions
supple ether
True. But that's still wild to me lmao
Having that shiz memorized is like a mini feat unto itself
zenith jungle
I definitely need to
Tho I'm good at memorizing stuff so I don't think it'll be too hard
supple ether
It helps a lot of it is logical
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/75fd14bc07eda211 do you guys have any thoughts on this? I have somewhat found amoonguss is proving a bit annoying and Bm Ursa is also kind of annoying
Lando I, also annoying and kinda difficult as my only resist is my lando other wise my team explodes to it
woven shard
Anyone playing in the Blueberry Prologue?
ashen shale
So im not sure what to od here, i wanna dip my toes into competitive and I wanna use ogerpon. But the ogerpon i have is trained for raids. I dont tbink anyone would wnana trade there only ogerpon what do you suggest i do
charred saddle
trade for them, people can trade and will trade them if you are providing some fair offers too
if not, you can make alt accounts or reset accouns (depend on what you want), and get them again
or just simply clear the EVs
using EV reducing/ mochi
ashen shale
Ya i wanna keep the ogerpon i have for raids, dont wanna keep goin back and forth with EVs
charred saddle
then either, trade, or do it yourself
theres some people (cough cough like me) who does Custom OT Ogerpon service, by making new accounts
currently busy so no way to do it, but i might be interested in doing so if theres a nice offer 
ashen shale
I might reach out 😳
surreal echo
Lando I, also annoying and kinda difficult as my only resist is my lando other w...
Funnily enough, Latias solves all of those matchups
Well, at the very least checks BM ursa
Can blast amoonguss with mist ball, and take out Lando-I and Ursa with Ice Beam
molten oasis
Thing is i had Latias and the tornshifu mu felt bad.
surreal echo
Really? How so?
surreal echo
Hm
molten oasis
So Prima blows up to shifu
surreal echo
Get rid of Gouging fire then maybe
molten oasis
What does that solve?
surreal echo
For Latias
molten oasis
Double dragon is awful when fairy overlaps like that
surreal echo
You already have lando tho
For dmg control
And imo entei is better for that anyway
But idk that’s just my idea on what you could do
supple ether
I'd say lose the gambit honestly. He's so 2023
surreal echo
I'd say lose the gambit honestly. He's so 2023
I think having gambit is the point
Look at bro’s pfp
supple ether
Use triple axel meowscarada 
supple ether
Look at bro’s pfp
Oh LMAO
Unironically though, bolt or gfire could get let go
One or the other, probably gouging fire
Also everytime I say triple axel meowscarada I keep falling deeper into the delusion that meowscarada solves the format
It's so good (on paper)
mighty stump
Just an fyi I told Drago to drop Lando
Theoretically Gouging Fire already does the intimidators jobs
So you don't really need it
Arguably more efficiently as you can actually affect Inner Focus mons
molten oasis
Kingambit stays btw
smoky hawk
How does gouging fire do anything similar to the intimidator's job?
charred saddle
breaking swipe probably
mighty stump
Breaking Swipe.
smoky hawk
Ahh breaking swipe
charred saddle
and burning bulwark also threatens the burn
charred saddle
sate taichan/ padang?
mighty stump
kambing
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cmn itu dua doang sate yg enak
mighty stump
gw gk ngerti taichan
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gjd, kambing jg enak
mighty stump
Hari ini gw masak rendang tapi pake bumbu kari jepang
charred saddle
does that work?
mighty stump
Oh its super good
charred saddle
mighty stump
used fresh coconut milk too
Even my mom who doesnt like meat or strong curries
Liked it
and my sister, who usually doesnt eat beef, likes it
charred saddle
i mean curry jepang emg agak mild bandingin kari india/kari indo ga si
less oily(?)
timber falcon
Does anyone have evs for bulky latias?
charred saddle
hooh, klo doesnt eat beef idk man
daging sapi enak kwkw
gentle cragBOT
Gw jarang sih sbnrnya
woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1
mighty stump
males bikin
timber falcon
Direct post
Ty
charred saddle
beef ribet dimasaknya si mnurut gw, kelamaan jd tough, trlalu bentar kalo dagingnya ga fresh/ nice quality amis
paling gmpg ayam kwkw, udh keseringan masak itu ampe kek tau kpn matangnya
tp diantara smua daging, kambing pny amis gw suka si, klo masaknya bener amisnya wangi bngt wkwk
mighty stump
BENAR
tapi kl masak paha ayam palilng gampang sih karena you cant overcook it
Gk kyk dada
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/dd33755a080eb5f4 any thoughts on team? Tryna utilise smeargle and gholdengo
charred saddle
i hate chicken thighs,
sekali kegigit tulang rawan, ato yg white string thing, langsung ga mood makan
dada ayam pling enak, gausah mikir 2 kali kalo makan
can blaziken even take a hit to setup swords dance?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
charred saddle
then itll still die to a prio move
timber falcon
Like?
knotty mirage
I don't think it's good idea to use smeargle in this reg
timber falcon
It’s been doing me wonders so far
timber falcon
paoteinite is everywhere
I just counter with gholdengo and smeargle
knotty mirage
I might start build my entei later just don't know if i want to makes the assault vest build or choice band build
charred saddle
just a question, i never played with ghold
how would you play with gholdengo to entei chien lead
timber falcon
Oger and gholdengo
charred saddle
follow me and setup?
knotty mirage
does smeargle even outspeed entei? for faster follow me
If you mean extreme speed i think it will always outspeed follow me
timber falcon
If it comes down to it, Tera
charred saddle
If you mean extreme speed i think it will always outspeed follow me
no, both are same prio. at +2
it all will comes down to speed
timber falcon
If you mean extreme speed i think it will always outspeed follow me
Quite the opposite
timber falcon
I thought follow me is 3+
timber falcon
Ah ok
charred saddle
does +2 ghold shadowball ko entei?
timber falcon
You don’t need a OHKO to down entei
timber falcon
waterpon no tera dies to sacred fire btw
But it outspeeds
charred saddle
does it ohko? even when it tera normal?
timber falcon
Also I’m thinking of letting blaziken go
If it teras the sacred fire shouldn’t OHKO
And make it rain should do the rest
timber falcon
Also I’m thinking of letting blaziken go
Thinking of a ground type, but I don’t like the ice weaknes
knotty mirage
Just wondering what tier are you playing at now ?
charred saddle
but then entei is fadter then ghold so sacred hits first
timber falcon
but then entei is fadter then ghold so sacred hits first
Follow me
Dragon tera
Spore
charred saddle
nvm its hard to question it per play
mighty stump
Smeargle bad
knotty mirage
The problem with smeargle it will always insta die to rapid shifu
timber falcon
That’s why I’m contemplating Rilla
knotty mirage
No terra or sash could save it from surging strike
autumn vault
So far in season 14 with just regigigas and weezing
timber falcon
So far from what advice if heard from I updated team
Thinking of adding entei rn
near crag
is there a way to block taunt other than being a dark type?
autumn vault
is there a way to block taunt other than being a dark type?
Taunt the taunter
mighty stump
Thats only if its from a Prankster.
Otherwise, yes, taunt the taunter
Or use Alcremie's ability
Sweet Veil or whatever
near crag
thanks
unkempt flax
Tofu what was that incin spread you had again?
near crag
reflect type gives the user the target's type, or the target the user's type?
tired sage
reflect type gives the user the target's type, or the target the user's type?
the user the targets type
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
lofty tartan
knotty mirage
Nah chi yu is still good
unkempt flax
I want to try chi-yu flutter again.
I’ve adapted a team at Portland, and I want to put chi-yu and Salamance on it
I forgot their name, but it was the registeel team
I’m thinking of Registeel Glimmora Rillaboom Chi-yu flutter mane and salamance
I might change rillaboom out for ogerpon wellspring tho. I really like the 188 jolly set I’ve been running
knotty mirage
I'm not sure about glimmora and salamance on current reg
tired sage
flutter fish is good but i think usage kinda went down after seeing landorus…
unkempt flax
I personally dislike latias a lot, and for whatever reason, I like salamance a lot more. I think it’s just the intimidate. Also I like glimmora a lot. Toxic spikes is annoying for most teams that are not prepared, and glimmora with metor beam is just strong
warped mason
So far in season 14 with just regigigas and weezing
Chad. Good luck on the climb.
tired sage
I'm not sure about glimmora and salamance on current reg
glim got another toy to play with so 
https://pokepast.es/a006c665d97840e2
this cook is going weirdly well…
but it does have a crap ton of drawbacks
warped mason
Calm mind iron crown psy spam is so oppresive
unkempt flax
Like am I the only one who feels like salamance is a bit better then latias?
Bulky tailwind rocky helmet users
tired sage
salamence imo is good but…
it has a 4x ice weakness compared to latias’ weaknesses
unkempt flax
Yeah fair
tired sage
but both are good but they also have their drawbacks
tired sage
i’m bias towards latias cause she’s been my fav pokemon since she released
and she’s got some more bulk instead of offense
unkempt flax
Yeah no I remember why I dislike latias compared to salamance
tired sage
unkempt flax
Actually no I have no reason
tired sage
also sala isn’t as cute as latias.
that’s my biggest point
unkempt flax
I am just a hater
unkempt flax
Yeah Salamance or latias is pure preference
Like I’m looking at it, one does one thing better, while the other doesn’t
near crag
in a hypothetical scenario, would no weaknesses wonder guard be good? wonder guard, electric type, double shock smeargle could pull it.
carmine portal
They're still susceptible to weather/statuses though. Wonderguard doesn't protect against those IIRC
near crag
also, now thinking, perish song would break it apart
mighty stump
clicks wisp
nocturne holly
Fr
tired sage
in a hypothetical scenario, would no weaknesses wonder guard be good? wonder gua...
wouldn’t wonder guard burn up arcanine work-?
is burn up even in this game-?
nvm
keen osprey
I need some opinions guys. I just got a Bloodmoon Urasluna, with a 103 in Attack and 80 in Speed, super super close to a perfect BM-Urasluna.
Should I keep resetting until I get the ideal, 103 Atk and 77 Speed or take what I can get with this one?
tired sage
the real question is do you want to
tired sage
like 2-3 i think
keen osprey
Pretty sure it's 3.
next stump
3IV is good
strange fjord
not too bad for bloodmoon
next stump
there’s not much that is super close to bloodmoon besides other bloodmoon
strange fjord
since its base speed is awkward its perfectly fine
tired sage
but if you’re unsatisfied, then you can continue…
usually the IV difference doesn’t matter too much if it’s <5
at least that’s what i’ve picked up from others
strange fjord
think the 3IV changes it from a base speed of 54 to 55 when you go min. so really not bad at all
at level 50
tired sage
i thought the slowest was 51?
strange fjord
base speed not real stats i believe
tired sage
so then wouldn’t it be 53 ish-?
strange fjord
still tho
next stump
yeah 3IV is a final stat of 53
tired sage
but if it’s an IV difference of <5 then i usually just take it
strange fjord
0-1IV is 51
1-2 IV is 52
etc.
oop you said 1iv twice
keen osprey
That's my goal, I want yo get back into competitive battles. And I think Bloodmoon looks like a good option for my team.
next stump
oh ye you’re right MB
strange fjord
bloodmoon ursa looks so cool ngl
keen osprey
It really does. Plus those stats are insane
next stump
it’s got a great spot in the meta RN imo
mighty stump
it’s got a great spot in the meta RN imo
Reasoning? just out of curiosity
next stump
hands is basically gone and I think that was one the bigger checks
molten oasis
Im also curious as I’ve seen it a few times now
next stump
with AV and drain punch
now you can just tera normal away under TR and very little answers it
also it feels like amoonguss is on a downswing with oger-w and rilla being used
strange fjord
checks Roaring Thunder and Archaludon no?
molten oasis
Ahhh that’s a good point
molten oasis
checks Roaring Thunder and Archaludon no?
It can earth power both
And they aren’t as tanky as hands with av is
although I think a Draco would murder a Bm Ursa
molten oasis
There’s a need for that
Some mons do a specific Tera to make a mu into something better on purpose
mighty stump
BM Ursa eats attacks pretty well though
mighty stump
So was Hands
strange fjord
But hands had AV and recovery move through drain punch
mighty stump
When you have a fat HP bar you can do whatever you want
keen osprey
- It's not great, but it's HP stat is big enough for it to take some hits
mighty stump
Yeah but thats like saying you cant run AV on BM Luna
strange fjord
When you have a fat HP bar you can do whatever you want
So your saying munchlax can do whatever it wants 👀
strange fjord
doesn't get yawn
mighty stump
Helping Hand, Icy Wind, Protect, Body Slam
strange fjord
but yeah i am actually running Munchlax rn lmao
golden tulip
Magician power herb solar beam delphox sounds fun
molten oasis
Yeah but thats like saying you cant run AV on BM Luna
True true
Av is more open now that hands isn’t as common
Thanks raging bolt (idk what made hands fall in usage but I’m assuming that)
strange fjord
currently running belly drum munch bc i want him to sweep
imagine losing to that cute little lad
molten oasis
And Lando-I
Oh did they just, murder hands in usage
Oh cuz, incin intim and parting shots it
And lando I can just blow it up
mighty stump
Well done bucko
molten oasis
Bye bye hands, thanks for allowing av to other mons
although hands is still plenty good
Meta has just evolved to the point hands no like anymore
errant heath
Im just building a team as a beginner, can I ask anyone just throw out setters pls? my mind's comin up blank atm, I have Umbreon & Politoed & I plan to get Clefairy & Whimsicott later
next stump
Are you lookign to play singles or doubles
errant heath
Doubles to start with since I wanna get Whimsicott, yk
bold geode
Bye bye hands, thanks for allowing av to other mons
Nah
Big Tubby shall come back
Not much from me though
Ever since middle of Reg E, I've preferred Rillaboom
Not cuz of monkey, but cuz it got Glide back
Not having Glide in Reg D made it feel so damn clunky to me
molten oasis
Not much from me though
Ever since middle of Reg E, I've preferred Rillaboom
I generally prefer rillaboom
It hits harder and grass
bold geode
I like Hands cuz it can tank shit a bit better than Rillaboom, but like priority STAB plus being able to handle Psyspam better is a plus for me
warped mason
How do u guys feel about thunderous therian?
molten oasis
How do u guys feel about thunderous therian?
It’s solid. It hits very hard but lacks in coverage
And is also kinda paper
warped mason
Tera flying terablast looking kinda nice tho
molten oasis
That hits very hard
Thundurus-Therian @ Assault Vest
Ability: Volt Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 36 SpA / 20 SpD / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Tera Blast
- Grass Knot
- Wildbolt Storm
This one is pretty good
Yiu could also do specs life orb or even scarf
mortal briar
tryna get a new tank who should i go for
warped mason
Thundurus-Therian @ Assault Vest
Ability: Volt Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type:...
Is 36 Spa enough?
And what are the evs in defense for
molten oasis
Is 36 Spa enough?
Yes. It should live icicle crash from pao and surging from shifu
warped mason
Thx
chrome knot
girl win
next stump
beast
chrome knot
onyx crown
Should I build my Arceus for Physical or Special Attack? I was thinking of being able to use Judgement on it because obviously but that'd make Extreme Speed do less damage. 
I'm also looking for funny Male Salandit builds for reasons that totally are not related to me finding a shiny male one
molten oasis
<:2DKittyHappy:623132895686426624>
charred saddle
knotty briar
I'm getting real tired of whimsicott encoring my trick room...
smoky hawk
I'm getting real tired of whimsicott encoring my trick room...
Then switch after it
charred saddle
go use mental herb 
/j
knotty briar
Hey did rage powder get nerfed?
It used to redirect priority moves...
next stump
it is a +2 priority move
so anything that is +1 it will redirect, and anything that is +2 but slower it will redirect
knotty briar
So extremespeed dragonite completely shits on amoongus
Git it
next stump
yeah it’s not a great matchup for the shroom
charred saddle
by base, waterpon can followme dragonite, but i think 0 speed does get outsped by some investment for entei
charred saddle
yeah, 0 speed waterpon can get outsped by some investment in entei
knotty briar
My team completely dunks on entei tho
I'm not concerned about that
charred saddle
but dragonite, (especially with CB) will never outspeed pon
knotty briar
This is the team I've been using
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
charred saddle
no protect on komoo?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
eternal tusk
Any singles rental teams for season 14 I've played FIFTY matches and I still haven't gotten past rank 9
charred saddle
ivy cudgel doesnt count as contact move?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
charred saddle
https://pokepast.es/1ba6d514faf3a817
feel free to put inputs
supple ether
All physical attackers is a little spooks, especially where intimidate is everywhere. Flutter mane also I think runs through this team, especially if next to a supportive pokemon or has moderate bulk investment
Chien pao could be a decent edition, maybe over gfire or gambit
charred saddle
gambit doesnt care about intim, and so does dnite.
the waterpon actually doesnt too since its mainly there for follow me supports.
gouging might have problems with it, but its also mainly there as a howl support + breaking swipe
i dont like the feel of chienpao, since if i do have it, paonite becomes one of the mainline and i dont like the feel.
im more into a balanced team. and yes flutter is one of my consideration for the raging bolt slot.
i opted for bolt as its one of the best counter for water urshifu, and with rilla + waterpon support, its a really bulky one and stays on field for long
so its 2 setup mons, gambit and bolt, doesnt mean i have to have it setup, i did enough calc for bolt to still ohko urshifu, (no bulk ofc)
i mean since if it has bulk less damage anyway to most of my teams, and not really hung up on bolt to counter urshifu
most of the times i would always wanna follow me pon, unless im reading into them doubling into gambit slot / bolt
the booster + speed investment there is to hit 208 and outspeeding mons there. was quite intrigued about going for a bit more to outspeed scarfed lando, but everyone is running lando I anyway
oh and pon is bulk invested + little speed to ensures follow me outspeeding max speed entei.
so i can always be sure about follow me, hence why theres no atk investment
i think i did calc the hp on nite a bit but i forgot what it was
and dumped rest on speed, maybe i shouldve just put the rest on def/sp def
ill think about it later
wintry canyon
Every single one was shiny, probably hacked 
(Single battles, and for those who want to know specs on mimik are for trick)
gentle delta
Every single one was shiny, probably hacked <:PiplupCry:669500461069500417>
(Si...
imagine thinking someones team is hacked because its shiny
better yet, imagine caring if someones team is hacked
I know this chat's dead at this hour, but dropping this bounty of wisdom for anyone who logs in and sees it later.
For anyone on Trick Room Psyspam, Armarouge is the real deal still w/ Meteor Beam power herb. Try it and thank me later.
wintry canyon
shell smash blastoise? oh dear i'm in for it
DOUBLE SHELL SMASH?!
ok uh wow he just spammed ice beam into my toxapex
supple ether
I know this chat's dead at this hour, but dropping this bounty of wisdom for any...
Sucker punch/extreme speed go brrr
oblique sigil
Can someone tell how to actually use parting shot on incineroar? Whenever I use it I put my Incin on a risk of dying because most of the time it move last and tank the opponent big fat damage
supple ether
Can someone tell how to actually use parting shot on incineroar? Whenever I use ...
Incin should (almost) always be max bulk. I cant think of any mon that will consistently ohko incin at max bulk
Even tera ground, tera blast from a max spatk quark drive iron crown isn't a guaranteed ohko (again, depending on bulk)
Plus intimidate cuts opposing physical attacks way down
charred saddle
I know this chat's dead at this hour, but dropping this bounty of wisdom for any...
prog just a question, for the meteor beam power herb, does it pick up the ohko on incin? and if so, is there any important calcs to keep track off?
like maybe only need some special attack, then rest can be dump elsewhere
supple ether
(but incin moving last is a perk, it allows you to not only nerf the damage of an opposing mon, setup to recycle intimidate, but get your other mon in safely -- using incin's healthbar instead of its own)
gentle delta
Sucker punch/extreme speed go brrr
I mean, its Psyspam. So you already gotta do the work of clearing the terrain to do those things.
oblique sigil
Incin should (almost) always be max bulk. I cant think of any mon that will cons...
Do you think Max ev on hp, 100 on Def and 156+ SpDef (careful nature) is good?
supple ether
Do you think Max ev on hp, 100 on Def and 156+ SpDef (careful nature) is good?
Tofu has a pinned blog with some standard builds. The hatenablog one
gentle delta
prog just a question, for the meteor beam power herb, does it pick up the ohko o...
It ohkos up to like 252 hp 100spdef, which is more special bulk than most incins currently run.
If its AV thats another story but then you should win anyway because AV incin is lol
supple ether
I mean, its Psyspam. So you already gotta do the work of clearing the terrain to...
I legitimatelybalways forget that
oblique sigil
Tofu has a pinned blog with some standard builds. The hatenablog one
Ah okay and ty!
gentle cragBOT
Ah okay and ty!
mightiezz has given 1 Gen Rep to chef_h.
gentle delta
I legitimatelybalways forget that
Im the resident Psyspam expert, pleased to meet you. I’ll literally never forget details like this 😉
supple ether
Lmao
gentle delta
To the point that when I was in the server previously Tofu stopped answering questions on the subject
He pings me instead
Jokes aside, Meteor Beam Arma is heat and it plows through Incins
charred saddle
Do you think Max ev on hp, 100 on Def and 156+ SpDef (careful nature) is good?
188+ def + sitrus ensures to live surging strikes from water urshifu. rest you can put more on hp and sp def
supple ether
Speaking of psyspam, (tangentially related) surfspam is kinda wild too. Drizzle+surf (ludicolo for example) kinda claps mad cheeks
charred saddle
base from tofu, dont remember the whole spread
gentle delta
I speed crept mine at 85 speed so that it outspeeds like 95% of incins.
It allows for a strong way to take Game 1 in a set by surprise when your opponent will likely assume Incin will outspeed Arma
You can go beam into Incin and setup TR with Indeedee pretty freely a lot of the time
charred saddle
i mean most incin dont run speed investment no?
gentle delta
They run minimal like 4 to 36 evs
Usually ranging 81-84 speed for fake out wars
So by sitting at 85 speed I ensure I outspeed most
And if I find out they’re faster, it actually lets me play dirtier Game 2-3
charred saddle
ic ic
gentle delta
I put a whole video out about Meteor beam arma thats in the #self_promotion tab now.
For the first time my friends are seeing people on ladder using my team from a video and im so happy
charred saddle
i mean i saw power herb arm meteor beam too earlier, dont know if it came from yours or not haha
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ye it has cornerstone
gentle delta
Ayooooo
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led indee arm, TR indee arm meteor
well, at least it might be tr, since i run howl and kowtow
gentle delta
Assuming thats tr yeah
Im amazed they let you kowtow safely there
A lead with howl + gambit id easily be doing follow me + tr
Letting deedee die, and sending out tork
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oh fuck yeah thats the exact team, i dont remember if it had gambit or not tho
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Letting deedee die, and sending out tork
im thinking either way im gonna need to kowtow on indeedee, put in rilla then sucker to arm and fo next
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Indeedee, Gambit, Gallade, Arma, Tork, Cornerstone
ye i just saw ur team
lemma check if i saved the replay for that game
gentle delta
My video is softly popping off in real time rn,
Most of my videos peak at 50 views, this one has gotten 150 in the last 2 hours and im crying. Saw a tweet about someone mauling her pc last night with meteor beam arma
And the girl in question followed me and thanked for the video
I guess top cutting a 190 player tournament with it and having a sick thumbnail will get some attention
charred saddle
oof, didnt save the game. since it ended quite fast and they forfeited i didnt save the game
supple ether
Finally my time shiny hunting an armarouge wont be worthless
gentle delta
Finally my time shiny hunting an armarouge wont be worthless
Finally? Armarouge has been considered an A tier mon this entire gen
charred saddle
My video is softly popping off in real time rn,
Most of my videos peak at 50 v...
nice one haha,
i think one of my friend did like say something about power herb meteorbeam too to me, but was quite sceptical
gentle delta
Its only now that people think Arma is bad but Im proving that wrong lol
charred saddle
ithink it kinda clicks when at one game i saw +1 arm does a shitton of dmg, and i was like "oh fuck thats LO damage"
supple ether
Finally? Armarouge has been considered an A tier mon this entire gen
I used armadeedee series 1 before I hunted it, then stopped playing vgc until like reg D/E where it had fallen off a bit iirc
charred saddle
reg E psyspams is everywhere
gentle delta
E was actually its most successful format lol
charred saddle
ye agreed
gentle delta
I managed to top 64 only my second regional with it, and this is my first season still
charred saddle
ye, especially at the end where everyone is running bravadosun
lilikoal, armadeedee and drago
gentle delta
ye, especially at the end where everyone is running bravadosun
Stinkypoopoo team
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HAHAH
tough idol
You mind sending me video link in a DM? @gentle delta
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in the self promo
gentle delta
You mind sending me video link in a DM? <@394232736258195457>
#self_promotion its right there 🙂
tough idol
Cheers
gentle delta
Thanks for the interest though!
charred saddle
definitely interesting, havent seen the whole team in action tho
tough idol
Added to my watch list and subbed 👍
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since the player i played forfeited after t2
gentle delta
I have 6 games from a bo1 swiss tour that ill be uploading as well
As a bonus/extra video companion to this one
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oh prog how would you play around my team?
im prob gonna be leading gouging and gambit like ive said before
supple ether
<#669470595351707670> its right there 🙂
If not for the fact GF pulled out one of its many doodoodogwater decisions, I could have the entire team shiny ingame 
why tf actually is indeedee like that
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howl and kowtow to indee
gentle delta
Id probably lead Arma or Dee alongside Ogerpon expecting a PaoNite or Gouging Fire + Filler lead from you
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actually then i might need to see if power herb meteor kos gouging
gentle delta
If I see Ancientei and Gambit? Probably gonna do Grass Tera Armor Cannon into Gambit + Ivy Cudgel Gouging Fire
Cudgel ohkos most Gouging
gentle delta
The arma being speed crept means I dont fall on tr nearly as hard. And it makes it miserable for my opponents to read
gentle delta
if i saw ur pon ill breaking swipe tho
I outspeed sir
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its speed booster ancientei
gentle delta
Oh wtf
gentle delta
Okay seeing that on screen id defo just tera arma, click tr, switch oger to gambit
Then Games 2-3 not bring oger
charred saddle
hmm ye i wouldnt think of armor cannon tho, ill think about that
tough idol
@charred saddle bear in mind OTS you'd know they had Armor cannon
charred saddle
no i mean more like i wouldnt know how to play around armor cannon
tough idol
Ah ok
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since if i protect and let TR up easily, im basically forced to play on to their hands
im more than happy to let tr up IF indeedee is dead
supple ether
What's the answer to flutter+support? For your armadeedee (Powder, followme, FO, or HH)
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since then i can safely play towards espeed nite on late
gentle delta
What's the answer to flutter+support? For your armadeedee (Powder, followme, FO,...
Which flutter set and which support
It depends greatly.
supple ether
If HH assume speed booster, if anything else assume bulky specs
tough idol
What's the answer to flutter+support? For your armadeedee (Powder, followme, FO,...
Fake Out won't work
gentle delta
If HH assume speed booster, if anything else assume bulky specs
Are we not talking ots?
If we’re talking cts and I see a flutter I probably just lead armadee or ogerdee depending on rest of team
If open sheet it depends heavily on the whole team comp how much I care about flutter
I dont really plan for cts situations much
Because its not really skill more just a guessing game
supple ether
Are we not talking ots?
yeah OTS. Let's say chiyu pulse/heatwave/protect (sash), fluttermane specs, and indeedee (follow me, HH), amoongus (powder, spore), iron crown (booster), tornadus in team preview
(this is a team I used recently)
gentle delta
Does chi have snarl o
supple ether
No snarl
charred saddle
sry for bombarding with questions again, what about snarl AV entei
since i can see it being a problem to psyspams
and i think the portland regionals had like 2-3 AV snarl entei
gentle delta
<:MudThink:669500446574116875> yeah OTS. Let's say chiyu pulse/heatwave/protect ...
This team comp loses to the standard plan easily enough. I lead ArmaDee and go follow me tr sending out Gallade prob. Turn after depends on what flutters locked into and if it terad
But if locked into gleam like I expect, then I tera Gallade and double into Chi Yu (flutter cant kill either mon so if chi protects its fine here)
supple ether
Woah fr? Specs fkutter gleam+beads doesnt ko arma?
gentle delta
sry for bombarding with questions again, what about snarl AV entei
AV Entei is probably next to a Chien, in which case it dies to Cudgel even if it teras away weakness
gentle delta
Woah fr? Specs fkutter gleam+beads doesnt ko arma?
Arma resists and is naturally pretty bulky
supple ether
Damn yeah i guess 🤔
gentle delta
If it rolled high enough or crit and you die to the next one you probably click meteor beam into chi and psycho cut into Flutter
tough idol
Can't find the paste for my work in progress
gentle delta
This is all assuming theres no other variables like rilla switch ins
charred saddle
wouldnt AV entei more flexible towards playing with other mon against psyspams? or does it normally still go with chien?
since i dont see the reason to go chientei when theres like psychic terrain, and so no e speed
gentle delta
wouldnt AV entei more flexible towards playing with other mon against psyspams? ...
Against normal psyspam prob
But it dies to rock pons cudgel
charred saddle
hmm hmm ill see more into it later pn for that too
gentle delta
Cornerstone left my team briefly until I realize that by running it I accidentally already had the best PaoTeiNite counter
Sturdy means Chien Pao cant ohko iit first, and it outspeeds Dragonite and Entei
charred saddle
oh i just realized the last move is taunt haha
what situation does taunt goes useful?
tough idol
I'm currently planning to drop Incin for Rilla and possibly change Dnite, not sure yet
charred saddle
and does, rockpon cudgel ohkos still onto a tera normal entei?
or would you need to like tera too
tough idol
252+ Atk Cornerstone Mask Tera Rock Ogerpon-Cornerstone-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Normal Entei: 164-194 (86.3 - 102.1%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
That's also adamant Oger
gentle delta
what situation does taunt goes useful?
imprison, stopping guessing games of whether your opponent will try to flip TR, aurora veil on ninetales if id rather not have to switch to torkoal to stop veil
easiest way to deal with amoongus since oger cant be spored
gentle delta
and does, rockpon cudgel ohkos still onto a tera normal entei?
or would you ne...
its a range and depends on their bulk but ive nabbed a few here and there without crit/tera
charred saddle
oh does max speed pon outspeed A9 too?
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oh it does by 1
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oh the taunt into amoonguss moght be nice, then you wouldnt have to follow me and spore mind game
interesting hmm 
oblique sigil
may I ask what's the purpose of water ogerpon? Is it just for redirection purpose like amogus or just because it can use it
charred saddle
water urshifu matchups are quite nice
gentle delta
Water Ogerpon does many great things
Water Grass is just really nice defensive typing in general
and its got the most useful embody aspect for when it teras
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especially if its like scarfed, locked into surging. you can watch urshifu there staring at a wall
gentle delta
defense would be good on rock pon if it wasnt rock type lmao
I very very rarely tera it, its my least used tera
losing sturdy is too much liability
but sometimes I do it for that extra reach
if I feel its needed
charred saddle
i think for waterpon, i tera also just to lose the grass typing
especially in reg E where theres a lot of RM, threatening acrobat ohko on pon
quite weird situation there, but ye grass water also makes it neutral from electric
and with like special defence buff you can opt for more defence bulk
at least its what i thought
oblique sigil
Do I invest any attack ev and go full bulk? I've been treating water ogerpon like amogus and rarely use ivycudgel
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i think most people run like some atk
gentle delta
Do I invest any attack ev and go full bulk? I've been treating water ogerpon lik...
its usually a mid-bulk mid speed bruiser
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252 hp 84 def lives a lot of hit, then some in attack
gentle delta
like 252 hp 100 att rest divided as you see fit
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i forgot where the twitter link tho
gentle delta
cornerstone is a really weird mon cuz on paper it doesnt look like its for what its actually for
tough idol
Apologies for the scrappy pic lol, that's the EVs I used on my Waterpon
gentle delta
99% of games I bring Cornerstone to her job is to die turn 1
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gentle delta
Shes there to Follow Me in situations where its not desirable to use Indeedee. Such as facing something that will 100% ohko you, and you need to make use of Sturdy.
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https://x.com/vgccorner/status/1743158953763054052?s=20
there, the waterpon spread, but it was calced for reg E, so might want or have changed for reg F
gentle delta
Or, when facing a Spore mon. Since she can infinitely eat the Spores.
charred saddle
but its a good base at least
oblique sigil
Ah ok! Thank you
gentle delta
brady tweeted out a waterpon spread thats a good jackknife back in Reg E
versed linden
Is Gholdengo still seeing play? If so, what's a good build for it...?
gentle delta
lemme find it
tough idol
Didn't they just link it
charred saddle
oh wait nvm thats already the reg F build nvm haha
the one in reg E had 84 def iirc
ye this one is the reg E one
still an insane calc, very nice one
gentle delta
Im way less experienced with non-tr mons so thats the spread I've been using because its nice and clean
my only notable self-made spread is beef hands
something I go over in the oldest video on my channel, but its a max bulk iron hands that can eat a tera water surging strikes in the rain and live
I used to have a replay to prove it until they got bombed
supple ether
Hehe ih eat
charred saddle
hahahah
gentle delta
It can survive so much abuse and 1v4 in return
its 84 hp for optimal lefties, max spdef, rest dumped in def, careful nature
it was anti stall tactic
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its leftovers? 
gentle delta
if opponents tried to stall tr with protects, Id setup hands
it only needed one swords dance to 1v4
it could eat so much abuse
especially next to a follow me psychic seed indeedee
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i got too used with AV that everytime i saw it SD once i shat my pants
gentle delta
best part was
for my first ever regional, I wanted my unique stuff to be drippy
so I shiny hunted a destiny marked iron hands
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oh its on a tr team interesting
gentle delta
the one that had the mark, naturally had a careful nature
it knew its purpose in life
gentle delta
oh its on a tr team interesting
If Progatog is talking about a team, you can assume its TR lmfao
Its all I do.
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i thought like its a fun fun team yk haha
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i mean if i like get heated when i played, i usually just trolled some games with fun teams
supple ether
Glastrier pog
gentle delta
121st place in my first regional, just barely getting points
I was also the only player in the world to get points in a major with glastrier last year
LabMaus has me denoted as officially Glastrier's strongest soldier in their analytics
gentle delta
oh man Armarouge and I getting a divorce when Caly is legal
I'll pick her back up again next gen
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like i can see it picking up easy kos and get even more boosts
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
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165 HAHAHA
supple ether
Gofdamn
gentle delta
Caly will have Glacial, High Horsepower and 2 of SD/Protect/TR
and paired next to Indeedee or Farig for easy setup
supple ether
150/130 defenses
gentle delta
will go brr
charred saddle
yeah CA will be nice
gentle delta
In Gen 8 I would protect and TR with Mimikyu, next turn Max Calyrex and use Shadow Sneak on it to proc weakness policy
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caly shadow will be bonked by gambit most likely so
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
supple ether
Oh slower than I remembered
supple ether
caly shadow will be bonked by gambit most likely so
Tera fairy dazzling gleam 
Idk if it avtually gets gleam
supple ether
Next to indeejee tho
charred saddle
no stan to a neutral wont get ko at least to gambit, especially its usually bulked into hp
eh, why would u pair them?
if u want to block prio just get girrafe
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and i still think caly shadow shines the best on a HO team
supple ether
Could be interesting, especially sucker+protect+imprison
Grimnsarl seems strong eh
M. Galar could also be interesting with tailwind
Zororark though is fun. Hisuian zoroark could see use
charred saddle
i mean... at that point grimm is better off with screens and parting
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but still even then, best way to counter sucker, is dont let it sucker punch
so yeah, follow me the sucker, or like predicting where it go also is nice
supple ether
We're not getting any more follow me users are we?
gentle delta
Depends ig on what the meta collapses down to
Sword Fish
supple ether
Nah I mean with the remaining banned mons
gentle delta
Will be like, 60% of teams
supple ether
Sword Fish
Who?
gentle delta
Zacian + Kyogre
gentle delta
just two extremely strong good stuff mons that dont need to built around
with the added benefit of kyogre getting rid of Zacians main weakness typing wise
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kyogre ye, water tera choice scarfed waterspout will be so fucking dumb
supple ether
Grimn could be good though with sunnyday support.
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pair with girrafe and helping hand
gentle delta
Torn next to Kyogre becomes even more insane since he doesnt need to waste a turn setting rain
supple ether
Truu
gentle delta
he can just click tw or bleakwind while oger goes specs water spout or origin pulse
charred saddle
i was thinking torn kyogre or girrafe to block prio
gentle delta
rough 6 is like
Zacian
Kyogre
Incin
Rilla
Torn
filler farig is probably fine
supple ether
Hydrapple could see play then no? With either syrup or regenerator
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since if its like the fastest thing in game people will try to hit it before spout, especially paonite paotei stuffs
gentle delta
Tsareena was good on oger teams for opposing Rillas so I can see Farig being good here
you could even do bulky zacian and have a soft tr mode with like av kyogre
my favourite Gen 8 Kyogre partner was Seismitoed
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hahaha av kyogre what
gentle delta
AV Kyogre is insane lmao
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i dont think ive seen that from cybertron
gentle delta
it was a top gen 8 team
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i mostly watch gen 8 comp from cybertron
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goddamn
gentle delta
toed was life orb
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oh wait nvm is it the physical one
i think i remember the thumbnail where there is a toad
gentle delta
Toad was an excellet counter for Eleki
supple ether
But ragingbolt hard walls kyogre
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rain + spout
supple ether
Assuming you get em off
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and like if its specs
supple ether
Plus it can setup
gentle delta
Kyogre is generally agreed to be the most unreasonably broken but still VGC legal pokemon ever made.
Others have had higher peaks but Kyogre just always Kyogres
charred saddle
bolt is slow, and just be ready for it ig
gentle delta
It also boasts being the only special attacker in Ubers that can ohko a blissey
specs spout kyogre can ohko a blissey
supple ether
I need to finish my kyogre hunt before its legal 
but usum are doodoo games to playthrough
charred saddle
its funny that kyogre rain and typing fits so well, but groudon is sun and ground haha
gentle delta
sun pairs with ground super well by nerfing water damage
sucks groudon doesnt get solar blade though
charred saddle
oh nono, not saying its bad
supple ether
Rillaboom could go ridiculous that format
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just saying that its funny like kyogre gets to boost itself while groudon isnt
gentle delta
Rillaboom could go ridiculous that format
its why Tsareena saw so much play
supple ether
Grassy glide is no longer a signature move tho, so could open it up to more mons
Choice scarf woodhammer when
gentle delta
It never was a signature move
supple ether
Oh fr? Kek
gentle delta
Rilla just always runs it lol
because it has terrain built in
Bulu sobs himself to sleep every night not being able to learn it.
Same with Lele and E Force
charred saddle
oh, but with tera groudon can go like tera grass tera blast to ogre now
HAHAHAHA thatll be so dumb
gentle delta
oh, but with tera groudon can go like tera grass tera blast to ogre now
it wont even ohko lol
it would need solar blade
maaaybe if there was a terrain boost or hh too
supple ether
Solar blade move tutor in the epilogue copium
charred saddle
yeah, its just dumb, especially knowing that sun will be up
since groudon is slower
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it does get solar beam tho right
gentle delta
because it doesnt really have anything thats a blade lol
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
gentle delta
yeah it gets beam which was justifiable in Gen 3 only lol
man groudon has not got a new toy since Gen 6 lmfao
though Heat Crash will be huge on it this gen
compared to being useless last gen
charred saddle
hmm
supple ether
Bolt rising voltage next to pinchurcin or terrain support thoughts?
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actually if restricteds are in, miraidon might actually open up new playstyle for violet paradoxes
supple ether
Ohhhh tru
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since sun play is already kinda open with ninetales, torkoal
now miraidon is there
supple ether
Miraidon and Koraidon probaly in the 10 most relevant mons if I had to throw my hat in the ring
charred saddle
will be interesting to see where the meta goes, but prob not gonna like how it goes
supple ether
Sun setter and terrain setter so good
charred saddle
koraidon will prob be fighting with groudon and maybe groudon will be better for weather war with kyogre
charred saddle
yeah with how speedy koraidon is, it will never win weather war with kyogre, so people might still go for groudon
i mean weather war isnt everything, but might make a change to playstyle
supple ether
252+ SpA Choice Specs Raging Bolt Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Kyogre in Electric Terrain: 204-240 (98.5 - 115.9%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
😂
Yeah idk yall my money is on bolt
Water spout chance for 2-3hko on 252hp
charred saddle
well just get rid of it before putting kyogre then
and if it teras to cover for something else, then gonna be kyogre time to shine again
anyway its just speculations haha
supple ether
Im not saying there's no counterplay, but thats just so wild to me lol
charred saddle
ye
supple ether
Maybe a TR team with glastrier and bolt could go insane
supple ether
anyway its just speculations haha
I like speculating lol, this is pretty fun ngl
charred saddle
idk, thing with them is, you wanna use the 4 turns of TR effectively
when they most likely will try to stall with protects in between them
eforce is annoying to deal with since its basically hitting both so hard + hh ocasonally
so i wouldnt say both will work in TR
since both doesnt get or learn spread moves, or hit hard enough without preparations
supple ether
True
I was also thinking torkoal could wall em
Wall.is strong, but it would certainly be viable
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
charred saddle
this is probably one of the most dumbest game ive played today
tough idol
Hotel booked for Liverpool 
next stump
let’s goooo
elder root
I have no idea if this is the place to ask but can someone help me sketch some moves onto my smeargle?
karmic temple
Happy pecharunt day
bold geode
this is probably one of the most dumbest game ive played today
Huh how
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
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bold geode
WHEN THE FUCK DID RIOLU GET PRANKSTER
mighty stump
It always has.
charred saddle
i did guess its a coaching thing
but didnt think that dark shifu is so tanky with coaching
i mean its 100 base def
bold geode
It always has.
Always has been 
charred saddle
and wouldve never thought that it will bring ice punch
dont ask me why i calm mind there
i dont fucking know myself
im sleepy
void ether
What is best build for ogrepon?
brazen bough
What is the objectively best (not most used) item on gouging rn
like what gives it the most value
brazen bough
this is probably one of the most dumbest game ive played today
wait how is sucker punch boosted by prankster???
isnt it an attacking move
charred saddle
copycat
brazen bough
oh
charred saddle
told you its one of the dumbest game ive played today
next stump
What is the objectively best (not most used) item on gouging rn
the only set i’ve seen have genuine success is a booster energy supportive set
or dragon dance
brazen bough
Oh ill check that out
i remember ppl were talking about rocky helm but im not so sure about that
void ether
and what kind of battling are you doing
Idk what is good form.i want use ranked on sunny team
brazen bough
Idk what is good form.i want use ranked on sunny team
hes asking if you are doing doubles or singles
void ether
Oh sorry.double
summer shore
@bold geode
bold geode
@summer shore
brazen bough
honestly i might just go max max on amoonguss to make paonite better
bold geode
How @summer shore today
brazen bough
i remember seeing people running it during a previous regional
charred saddle
https://pokepast.es/1ba6d514faf3a817 (support gouging)
https://pokepast.es/13440d7297c003d5 (dragon dance set)
if theres a question about the EV fr gouging just let me know
the 2nd team didnt really see any success tho, kinda ass
maybe i havent found the right team for it but eh
brazen bough
i have my own team plans
im just building off of portland
I have a week to get this team right so im gonna try finding people to grind friendlies with
summer shore
How <@177012687111323649> today
Tire
next stump
I have a week to get this team right so im gonna try finding people to grind fri...
you playing charlotte?
only 6 gouging fires earned CP that’s tough
bold geode
only 6 gouging fires earned CP that’s tough
Gouging Fire is good
brazen bough
only 6 gouging fires earned CP that’s tough
i mean it def has potential but im just exploring my options
ive been looking at portland results for the past few days
and i want to have something into paoteinite
or paonite at the very least
mighty stump
Gouging Fire does that fine
Does a better job into PaoTeiNite than Incin does
imo, needs you to run Booster Spe + the Supportive set
brazen bough
also i saw these teams which are also pretty interesting https://x.com/cobalt_poke8128/status/1744009500875747371?s=20
they seem like mostly bo1 teams though but i cant really tell
mighty stump
At most the Bo1 team is probably Muk and Beat Up Terrakion
smoky hawk
Booster speed gouging fire? That's sacrificing lots of power
mighty stump
You don't need power, you have Howl anyways
brazen bough
Booster speed gouging fire? That's sacrificing lots of power
its a good support
mighty stump
Howl + Booster Spe is far more efficient than DD as well
brazen bough
and it already does some pretty good damage anyways
smoky hawk
I might actually try booster speed howl breaking swipe gouging fire partnered with dondozo
brazen bough
but yeah like i said mostly mons good into paotei / paonite is where im occupied most on
i feel like dozo shouldn't be too much of a problem this time around since they seem to fall off second tourneys into new regs
smoky hawk
I might actually try booster speed howl breaking swipe gouging fire partnered wi...
Howl it up a bit, use breaking swipe. You can protect dozo if you want and then swap in tatsugiri
mighty stump
Meh, id rather have better standalone partners with Gouging
brazen bough
gholdengo + fari i imagine is pretty good into it
brazen bough
Meh, id rather have better standalone partners with Gouging
thats fair
its also a cool buffer so i wanted to test that out
mighty stump
It is but without redirection you might eat a Stomping, and also some might be Dark STAB Pao
Non-Sucker
So its not necessarily a sure thing
brazen bough
i see
mighty stump
But Gholdengo + Redirection would be good
brazen bough
what are some good cores out of gouging rn
brazen bough
im surprised no power herb on glimm
power herb is super good on the last team i tried it with
brazen bough
fair
mighty stump
I also like not having one of my STABs be one time use
brazen bough
Flutter + Redirection also works
flutter amogus for most bulk right?
smoky hawk
https://pokepast.es/86366778c2dba509
What's your spread for gouging fire?
brazen bough
thats what i imagine is like the best for it
mighty stump
flutter amogus for most bulk right?
Brady also sent out a post detailing how to play against PaoNite
On twitter
brazen bough
yeah i saw that one
mighty stump
Gouging Fire @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 4 Def / 100 SpD / 148 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Burning Bulwark
- Howl
- Breaking Swipe
- Heat Crash
Older spread
brazen bough
i was interested in sash flutter
mighty stump
The only tweak I made was to make it faster
After 1-2 Howls its basically equivalent to max invest
Just dont go in with the mindset of having it sweep
brazen bough
I imagine it using howl next to av kingambit is really good
mighty stump
Kingambit is alright with it
summer shore
You're made of rubber?
Fire
brazen bough
Kingambit is alright with it
wait why did you run lorb on dragonite?
smoky hawk
wait why did you run lorb on dragonite?
Probably because gouging fire has howl
mighty stump
L-Orb + Howl is equivalent to CB + SoR
smoky hawk
Except you're not locked. That's nice
mighty stump
Aerial Ace/Heat Crash/Sacred Sword also means I have multiple options into those random Muk teams that pop up every now and then
brazen bough
Aerial Ace/Heat Crash/Sacred Sword also means I have multiple options into those...
do you think there is a difference between tournament teams and teams that are on high bo3 ladder
mighty stump
High placing Bo3 ladder teams theoretically should be able to do well in tours as well
That's also good practice
Its also good practice when you dont have friends to grind out matchups with
Nothing beats having your own group, however
Cause you can do repeated lines/flowcharts rather than a roulette on ladder
mighty stump
An important thing about running a team is also comfort too
brazen bough
yeah its hard this reg finding a comfort team tbh
like i have 2-2-2 but like thats gonna be so easy for everyone to beat
like i actually played that the entire reg c and reg d and reg e lol
thats pretty much as comfortable as it gets for me
or i also did do pretty decent with paonite in reg d
brazen bough
At most the Bo1 team is probably Muk and Beat Up Terrakion
wait back to this what is the idea of the torkoal jumpluff team
and regigigas rilla
mighty stump
Jumpluff-Koal is just the same thing as Lillikoal but Jumpluff gets Tailwind
So its your speed control mon
Torkola obviously procs Proto for 3 of those mons
Registeel/Rilla is just IDBP stuff
brazen bough
oh
mighty stump
its Balance with IDBP
brazen bough
would you say those are good into tourneys
summer shore
@mighty stump can we time travel to g4 5 or 7
brazen bough
they look like interesting cores so idk
mighty stump
I would say if a team can answer the necessary matchups within the metagame
Then it can do well.
brazen bough
ok
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> can we time travel to g4 5 or 7
Wat
mighty stump
DPP OU
Okay, im gonna go mourn the fact SV is done content wise and we're done with Gen9
brazen bough
i guess imma just ladder on bo1 ladder with those teams
mighty stump
and also do something else
brazen bough
Okay, im gonna go mourn the fact SV is done content wise and we're done with Gen...
peak pokemon games
swsh had better music though
idk why the switch games were so hated though
they are solid
mighty stump
It's just cause of the performance stuff
smoky hawk
If I use dondozo in reg F what benchmark should I hit for its speed?
mighty stump
Which, personally, should be criticised, but overall as a game experience, its better than most if not all Pokemon games i've played
mighty stump
If I use dondozo in reg F what benchmark should I hit for its speed?
I've seen slow bulky and fast, but probably at minimum base 100s
modest scarab
Hi guys is there any video or site where i can check what teras are good against who or when to use them please? When i try rentals i never know if a mon has a tera to protect him for something or to improve the stab move
next stump
I don’t think there’s a specific video for that, it’s mostly just knowing your type matchups and what move they’re going to use
mighty stump
I have never heard of this in my life
next stump
That’s for raids
modest scarab
I suck at weaknesses
mighty stump
Most Teras are defensive
modest scarab
Ok thanks as alwais tofu
mighty stump
Cause changing a type is just that
But if you see a move with the same type as the tera
modest scarab
If i win a game in 50 years i will make a statue in your name
modest scarab
I have to improve at weaknesses sometime i dont even know what my kingambit can resist
I alwais played pokemon games with colors ahahahah if i see a mon being green i know he is weak to fire
Now that i started playing vgc is not like that anymore ahaha
mighty stump
I mean sooner or later as you play you'll figure out a mon's weaknesses but you can also just go to #bot_commands and type /weakness pokemon name
e.g.
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
smoky hawk
Is glimmora always used on dondozo teams because of the poison over time?
That's what it seems like to me
next stump
that’s definitely one the bigger reasons
versed linden
Glimmora basically makes Dondozo a bigger pain. Another reason is Meteor Beam and power herb
brazen bough
Glimmora basically makes Dondozo a bigger pain. Another reason is Meteor Beam an...
glimmora is a good standalone mon now overall
saying its good with dondozo is under cutting its power alot
versed linden
True true. I always was fond of Glimmora lol
brazen bough
Is glimmora always used on dondozo teams because of the poison over time?
its not always used on dondozo teams it works really well now especially with the spatk from meteor beam
versed linden
its not always used on dondozo teams it works really well now especially with th...
The rock flower now carries a nuke
timber falcon
Guys why is icicle crash used over ice spinner?
To me ice spinner seems like the best option
next stump
flinch chance, higher base power, doesn’t make contact so you don’t lose HP from rocky helmet
also you don’t get rid of your own terrain
it’s whatever move you prefer and what fits better with your team
timber falcon
I’m just scared that accuracy will come and bite me
Ima run ice spinner and see how it goes
next stump
it definitely does, but equally the flinch chance can win you games
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/3887bbb16bccdb43 this is a team I plan to use to actually raise elo
I’m not sure if evs are right
karmic temple
70 attack evs on flutter?