Well, that's fun. Getting my Urshifu Faked Out and then a lucky freeze from a Blizzard
#competitive_discussion
queen hull
smoky hawk
I gotta say, although I didn't make day 2 in Portland I impressed myself in some instances and RNG didn't ruin my fun
When I lost, it was due to microscopic errors that opponents managed to capitalize on to the fullest extent, or 50/50 situations where it was impossible to know the right course of action
I guessed protects correctly at least 2 out of 3 times
Guessing protects might have been the most mentally draining part of the entire tournament
queen hull
Pfft. I just made a guy rage quit cause I hit his Sceptile as it switched in with Syrup Bomb. The Syrup Bomb was meant for their Jumpluff but my Chesnaught KOed it with BP.
broken oyster
If I wanted to run Snubull which nature would be better Impish or Adamant? 🫶
mighty stump
If I wanted to run Snubull which nature would be better Impish or Adamant? 🫶
Adamant
smoky hawk
I've decided. I'm making day 2 in Vancouver in late March
gentle cragBOT
Thank you !
cousinkammy has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu
zenith jungle
I got to great ball on my first day playing vgc with a record of 11-9!
mighty stump
Congrats
supple ether
Lemmw grab a paste 
zenith jungle
I played kinda badly some games but i feel really good about that last game
Also all genies were on the field at one point during it
I'd send a picture if this account had image perms
mighty stump
I played kinda badly some games but i feel really good about that last game
Its all learning
zenith jungle
Tada
supple ether
Local ip address?
supple ether
zenith jungle
Why the hell does it show that
zenith jungle
Oh wait that's not my ip
supple ether
I played kinda badly some games but i feel really good about that last game
At least you didnt prankster taunt grimnsarl and parting shot a metagross
sometimes I throw for content (there's no one filiming)
zenith jungle
That's my routers gateway?
queen hull
10 wins to 6 losses in Ranked Doubles. Think I'm doing fairly well. I do feel like I need to get better with predictions and choosing which Mons to take into the battle.
supple ether
Hey that's pretty good!
zenith jungle
Probably still shouldn't send that but i don't think i doxed myself
zenith jungle
10 wins to 6 losses in Ranked Doubles. Think I'm doing fairly well. I do feel li...
Better record than I got
I need to get better at predictions and learn the type chart
supple ether
The fact that bug does not resist fairy is a travesty
I thought that for way too long
queen hull
My last match was pretty weird. My opponent brought Arcanine, Zapdos, Sinistcha, and Gastrodon. Think they were going for a stall team
zenith jungle
The fact that bug does not resist fairy is a travesty
The fact that my team can't hit dragons for super effective damage is a travesty 😔
queen hull
Arcanine had only Snarl as offense. Zapdos was really only looking to Thunder Wave, and the last two kinda just tried to whittle down my Pokemon with Matcha Gotcha and Earth Power.
zenith jungle
I honestly think i should change my team to the one that won Portland
smoky hawk
The fact that my team can't hit dragons for super effective damage is a travesty...
Flutter's usage won't go down anytime soon with raging bolt on the rise
zenith jungle
Of course
smoky hawk
I'd recommend that
smoky hawk
I'm considering using tera ice lando-I, with tera blast. It hits dragons, other landos, and resists ice
supple ether
https://pokepast.es/b109816951c4f6b3
Oh lmai I was gonna say, isnt that the portland finalist team?
zenith jungle
https://pokepast.es/603f3f6b859a1d0e
This is what i currently use
queen hull
I wonder if we'll start seeing Lightning Rod Pokemon to help deal with Raging Bolt's signature
supple ether
Mmm very nice
zenith jungle
You think i should switch?
supple ether
I really cant say lmao, Im riding the struggle bus all the way down this format 
But I love drago so yes
smoky hawk
I wonder if we'll start seeing Lightning Rod Pokemon to help deal with Raging Bo...
Maybe raichu or rhyperior
queen hull
Maybe raichu or rhyperior
Raichu seems the more likely choice since it can Encore Bolt into being stuck using Thunderclap
zenith jungle
Hmmm maybe i can ask him on Twitter?
Of course he's the only top 8 finisher without a twitter
smoky hawk
Raichu seems the more likely choice since it can Encore Bolt into being stuck us...
Yes and it actually benefits from the spatk boost. Though it requires a focus sash, so that might be tough for some teams
supple ether
Any thoughts on the team? Nothing seems to click super well in the 6th slot, but thundorous seems promising so far. I want to run protect on more mons, but I feel in a poaition where I kinda need all my moves.
smoky hawk
Rhyperior with lightning rod could be used but I'd ONLY endorse that idea on hard TR teams
zenith jungle
https://pokepast.es/b109816951c4f6b3
Does anyone know who to ask for what ev spreads he used or what ev spreads would be recommended?
zenith jungle
Tysm
supple ether
Nah jk they dont have EVs
zenith jungle
😭
supple ether
The EV spreads are likely slightly sifferent anyway because of open team sheet formay
But yeah traïc
zenith jungle
Hmm replacing lando is kinda iffy, the life orb stab ground moves were really nice
Maybe i should just replace rillaboom with flutter mane?
Nvm it's too late for this
I asked Collin heier lmao
mighty stump
I wonder if we'll start seeing Lightning Rod Pokemon to help deal with Raging Bo...
Unlikely
Theyre not worth running just to prevent Electric damage
Rhyperior would just wanna run Solid Rock
mighty stump
Any thoughts on the team? Nothing seems to click super well in the 6th slot, but...
Not a fan of that Regieleki + the overlap with Thundy
Imo
You want Low Kick on that Kingambit
and Prim wants those Protects, Hyper Voice + Moonblast or Dazzle is fine as itself
Over Energy Ball
supple ether
Kay dropped energy ball
I actually like that a lot more, prim feels much safer
Eleki is my urshiru answer tho
Bulky enough toblive strikes and guarabteed to ohko on volt switch
supple ether
Hmm but I lose screen support righ? Lemme check movesey
mighty stump
Yeah, but the Screens imo won’t be as impactful
When you have other options for mitigation
Also just to note, you have PsySeed on Thundy
warped mason
Thoughts on weezing regigigas core?
mighty stump
Thoughts on weezing regigigas core?
It exists
Not bad
Was more carried by Dmax than anything
supple ether
Also just to note, you have PsySeed on Thundy
Yeah 
I wasnt sure what to put there, and it leaves it as a solid psyspam answer
warped mason
Ah ok
supple ether
A lot of my team is min speed max bulk and those screens really help turn 1-2kos into 3-4 kos
mighty stump
mmm
supple ether
Very relevant on kingjambit and drago (earthpower)
mighty stump
Yeah but you can just run Eerie Impulse on Thundy + run an Intimidator to the same effect
mighty stump
Impulse over Snarl
Its Prankster
And yes, Ground types are affected
You can Eerie Lando
supple ether
Ayooo
molten oasis
isnt it not affected into electric tho?
dapper crag
supple ether
Who should be intimidating tho? 
molten oasis
ig not
mighty stump
isnt it not affected into electric tho?
No, its a status move
Only TWave follows that rule
supple ether
Overqwil? Then drop prima for that?
molten oasis
...
supple ether
Oh wait swift swim cant be active if intim
supple ether
Or you can run H-Arc cause of ChienNite
Rock slide?
mighty stump
Yeah
molten oasis
so the match i had into a raging bolt i threw a few weeks ago because i thought eerie impulse didnt work on electric, fml lol
mighty stump
Incin works to improve your Psyspam if youre concerned about that
molten oasis
NOW I KNOW lol
mighty stump
so the match i had into a raging bolt i threw a few weeks ago because i thought ...
Lol
Think about it this way Drago
Helping Hand and Yawn are normal moves
supple ether
Ohh but ground types have a field day on me at that point
mighty stump
But they affect Ghost types
supple ether
What about dropping whimsicott?
molten oasis
ah
mighty stump
Ohh but ground types have a field day on me at that point
Only relevant one is Lando-I but if you choose to drop Whimsicott (which didnt seem to hahe as much value imo) you just run Rillaboom
Even better
molten oasis
so status moves like helping hand ignore most of the typing effects
unless youre a powder move
mighty stump
so status moves like helping hand ignore most of the typing effects
Status moves ignore typing immunities unless stated otherwise, except for Poison, which remains
molten oasis
cool
mighty stump
TWave is the exception, not the rule
molten oasis
lol, gtk
molten oasis
i should go play ladder, i think
https://pokepast.es/49b931018c95b3bb heal pulse latias testing time here we goo
mighty stump
So summarising:
- You can drop Whimsi and Eleki for something like Incin + Boom, adding Eerie impulse on to Thundy for Lando-I concerns as well
- If Regidrago doesnt hae that immediate speed control, you can run it as a scarfer with lategame closer as its job
supple ether
Only relevant one is Lando-I but if you choose to drop Whimsicott (which didnt s...
I like that, but without AV he dies insta to sludge bomb. So should I go black glasses jambit? Or is there a better flutter answer
mighty stump
https://pokepast.es/49b931018c95b3bb heal pulse latias testing time here we goo
Doesnt have Heal Pulse
molten oasis
wait what
supple ether
Ohhh eerie impulseeee
molten oasis
shit
mighty stump
I like that, but without AV he dies insta to sludge bomb. So should I go black g...
Yea
molten oasis
gentle cragBOT
Rock on, ty tofu 🙏
chef_h. has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu
molten oasis
ok there we go
mighty stump
Lando-I doesnt like eating a fat Wood Hammer anw
Plus if he Teras, hes open to Wildbolt Storm
supple ether
Tru. Oh now you mention it, without prima no need for rain dance
mighty stump
Id probably make Kingambit’s tera something that isn’t Ground weak overlap i think
molten oasis
i think healing would help with this team as its bulky, and i dont think i really need tw so, heal pulse over tw and have icy wind as a kind of speed control
supple ether
Sunny day?
smoky hawk
Lando doesn't like a bundle icy wind. Might throw that on my next team
mighty stump
Tru. Oh now you mention it, without prima no need for rain dance
You can keep Prima
molten oasis
for gambit i like fairy rn
or just pure dark if you want extra oomph
if you dont want to keep ground weakness
otherwise i like poison
mighty stump
There is a severe lack of Tera Fire
molten oasis
hmm
mighty stump
Purely for Sacred Fire tbh
molten oasis
ig that also works, i dont like fire cuz of shifu but
seems for now shifu usage is dying a little bit
then in a month everyone is gonna flock back to tornshifu
supple ether
Oh wait
Without snarl I still lose to psyspam
Follow me greater prio
Ohhh wait
Incin not arkekine
mighty stump
You can forego Knock Off and run Snarl
but with Incin + Boom in the back they donMt really have a chance to move
supple ether
Urshiru is the only real concern now
mighty stump
You have Prim + Boom
supple ether
Roll to kill
mighty stump
So I wouldnt be concerned
supple ether
hmmm fair
supple ether
But then flutter?
molten oasis
rilla tends to beat shifu
mighty stump
If you run Rocky Helmet Thundy
supple ether
Ohhh
molten oasis
rilla also tends to beat flutter
mighty stump
Cause Prankster
molten oasis
but yea eerie impulse go brr
mighty stump
btw
Id suggest Rocky Helmet or Covert Cloak on Thundy
As further Urshifu deterrent with Rocky Helmet
Going max max Def HP like a Torn does
Its favourable for you
supple ether
Clap/web/dracometeor/weatherball?
supple ether
Or protect probably over ball (raging bolt)
mighty stump
Clap/Tbolt/Pulse or Draco/Protect
With Goggles
or Magnet, but Goggles is nice for your Amoonguss MU
smoky hawk
Amoonguss really fell off a cliff in Portland
supple ether
Clap/Tbolt/Pulse or Draco/Protect
No web for endgame drago? Specs picks up ridiculous KOs
smoky hawk
So for now, I'm not looking at safety goggles
supple ether
Was it chienpao+psyspam you reckon? (The cause for amoongus to stop being relevant)
zenith jungle
Amoongus isn't relevant? News to me
supple ether
252/4/76 Thundorous lives strikes in rain 50/50, guaranteed 2hko vs lando, specs crown, incin Knockoff, bulky speedboost flutter and speedboost wake dracometeor
At 172+ speed he also outspeeds max speed urshifu (97base speed) and 252 neutral 115 base speed. So wake, jugulis, ogrepon, latias etc
This doesnt take into account eerie imuplse, but there ya go: calcs for one and all
bold geode
That is
Messy AF
supple ether
Lmao Im not used to sharing calcs
bold geode
Just like
Hit enter or share different calcs
I actually wouldn't mind a wall of the exact calcs for each attack in this case
supple ether
Oh are the % the important part? Like 46% or 97%
I alwaya thought it was most important ohko or 2hko etc
charred saddle
its quite important actually
like taking 50% and 60%
both are 2hko
but with 50 itll actually be 3hko with grassy terrain heals / leftovers
and 50% means that you can have that rest to take double ups more better
while in cases like that ur most likely dead, but its quite important to some calc id say
supple ether
Ohhh
supple ether
while in cases like that ur most likely dead, but its quite important to some ca...
Good to know ty!
gentle cragBOT
Good to know ty!
chef_h. has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1
lofty tartan
It was also 11th of the 12 most used on Day 1, and 12th on Day 2.
So like it's a thing that's around for sure
lofty tartan
And everyone Day 2 is 7-2 or better, so they got some results with the mushroom somewhere 🤷
smoky hawk
And that as well as 11th or 12th in usage all should tell you it is falling off
lofty tartan
Tornadus was 10th Day 2
So I dunno if being in the most used 12 is a keynote indicator of falling off, especially when it's a presence among teams all 7-2 or better but okay.
smoky hawk
It's absolutely an indicator because not long ago it was top 6
lofty tartan
I'm pulling up San Antonio most used right now but there's 3 Amoongus in top 16 there compared to 2 at Portland
smoky hawk
I remember amoonguss usage in previous regionals being higher
Higher within the top 12 list
lofty tartan
But in Reg E it's got 9.88% usage too
Reg F shows 13.41% so far
Regional finishes rely a lot on individual player skill as well as teams and pokemon choices
smoky hawk
I don't see a lot of use of safety goggles
Taunt is another option
Archaludon also seriously underperformed
molten oasis
It's absolutely an indicator because not long ago it was top 6
ok well, this is also early meta
in the early meta it tends to pivot towards HO style teams and i think torn works better on balance teams
its easy to not have speed control when you can just click tera normal espeed on entei or dnite
and sucker from chien or clap from bolt
so i think we will see tornshifu come back in the future just not right now
Also new pfp drop
smoky hawk
in the early meta it tends to pivot towards HO style teams and i think torn work...
True. Amoonguss is likely to stay relevant
I'll have to keep up with the trends because I plan on top cutting Vancouver
smoky hawk
Thanks, I'll take it seriously
I was very surprised by the almost total lack of torn and whims in top 32
mighty stump
I was very surprised by the almost total lack of torn and whims in top 32
Its the strength of priority
TW HO being glass cannon with those PaoNiteTei teams being bulky both typing wise and hard hitting with priority
Its not really the best MU
And also itll be a lot more call based on both sides
supple ether
Meteor beam jugulis exists, and apparently it's not useless. Now you know
Oh and tofu the team is kinda doing okay! It's quite slow, but thundorous is doing profound work
I think Ill replace raging bolt or go for a calm mind set tho
stuck ridge
in showdown UU what's a good counter for whimsicott?
smoky hawk
Its the strength of priority
Rillaboom especially helps against TR by replacing psychic terrain or hitting the typical setters super effectively with u-turn, knock off
I'm seriously thinking to make a team where everything has priority, or maybe if something lacks priority it holds a scarf
mighty stump
Oh and tofu the team is kinda doing okay! It's quite slow, but thundorous is doi...
Neato
mighty stump
Rillaboom especially helps against TR by replacing psychic terrain or hitting th...
Idk if you have room to run Knock Off unless you lose Glide/Wood Hammer/FO but yeah, Terrain control is pretty big
Imo you still wanna run other pivots to make sure your pivoting can be consistent
Cause good Psyspam players can also outposition you
So its non-guaranteed
Gotta be careful when picking up KOs for their free switches and such too
-calc 214/1.5
gentle cragBOT
Result: 142.666667
tough idol
Anyone got a Thundurus T spread?
trim river
anyone got a spread for support whimsicott?
severe patio
Help me pls i need a spread for hisuian braviary
supple ether
Anyone got a Thundurus T spread?
Ive been having good success with: 252/0-/4//4/76/172+
172 for guarantee outspeed jolly urshifu. Spd I guarantees 2hko for many mons. Especially after eerie impulse.
Not super optimized, but you really dont need the offense
mighty stump
anyone got a spread for support whimsicott?
You can check pins, in the blogpost theres two spreads there
mighty stump
Ive been having good success with: 252/0-/4//4/76/172+
172 for guarantee outspe...
They're for Thundy-Therian not Incarnate
Just to point out
supple ether
Ahh
mighty stump
Nothing wrong with just going max max
Could probably look up Jamie Boyt's AV set as well
dull ibex
vc?
mighty stump
sounds good to me
near crag
Could fairly lock be usefull in a perish song strat?
near crag
and could scream tail do anything outside a perish trap team?
supple ether
and could scream tail do anything outside a perish trap team?
Screen setter. At Portland last weekend it was a bulky disable/encore support
mighty stump
and could scream tail do anything outside a perish trap team?
Mainly bulky disable/encore support
Cause great speed tier, difficult to remove
Not being a Prankster means you don't worry about Psy-Terrain and Armor Tail
Although you do think about getting Prankster Taunted though
autumn vault
Hello, so this is my BM ursaluna' moveset: hyper voice (throat spray), earth power, calm mind and protect, i want to have blood moon but all these are great moves to have, so which move does it need to replace or keep it as it is?
bold geode
@dull ibex lemme in
mighty stump
I mean, you either lose out Hyper Voice/Protect
dull ibex
join
orchid falcon
autumn vault
I mean, you either lose out Hyper Voice/Protect
Guess hyper voice will be replaced, and throat spray for leftovers
mighty stump
Or just don't run Blood Moon
You don't necessarily need it
Overall Hyper Voice would be greater value
unkempt flax
Yo. Making adaptations to a popular team is fine correct? It’s a thing that happens correct????
bold geode
Yeah?
autumn vault
Ik i dont need it, its just that i am building a team and i love BM, just have to fit it in somehow
bold geode
I mean technically everyone copies teams already lol
unkempt flax
Real
bold geode
Making your own adjustments ain't shit
My most successful team in Reg D was just a spin off of Eric Rios's Golden Dragon team
next stump
Yo. Making adaptations to a popular team is fine correct? It’s a thing that happ...
that’s the smartest way to build IMO
if your goal is solely to win games
autumn vault
Okay good. I was getting hate crimed on a discord server
Adaptations on popular teams is ok, just that those 5 people are stupid and dont know comp that well
mighty stump
Lolwut
unkempt flax
Okay good lol
mighty stump
Why would someone gang up on you just because youre adapting a team
unkempt flax
Why would someone gang up on you just because youre adapting a team
Because I’m being “unoriginal” in there words
bold geode
Why would someone gang up on you just because youre adapting a team
Cuz they ride a specific vehicle to school
autumn vault
Because they dont play comp and want everyone to use their favourites when not all are good, a lot of your favourites can be but not ALL
mighty stump
Because I’m being “unoriginal” in there words
If they care about originality that automatically invalidates any opinion they have about competitive
Lmaoo
bold geode
Yeah if they want originality, they cannot use Flutter Mane
mighty stump
If you wanna be original you just cant use the top 30 used Pokemon
mighty stump
Lets see
autumn vault
Its a dumb mindset
supple ether
If you wanna be original you just cant use the top 30 used Pokemon
Finally, someone to make enamorous work
mighty stump
Id go so far as until you run something not within top 50 usage
supple ether
mighty stump
You're unoriginal
autumn vault
Finally, someone to make enamorous work
Or as Aaron Zheng would call it: Eternatus
mighty stump
And there's also exceptions
unkempt flax
I like stall, and I liked Norah’s team a lot, but I’m not a huge fan of Latias, so I was planning on changing that out, and tweaking the team slightly to how I like
They said I was taking the “originality of their team away” just because I want to slightly adapt it to my liking
bold geode
Finally, someone to make enamorous work
Uses a singular Rock Slide
supple ether
Uses a singular Rock Slide
Jokes on you I had two turns of setup and am at +2/+2 from superpower
bold geode
I like stall, and I liked Norah’s team a lot, but I’m not a huge fan of Latias, ...
But now it's the originality of my team
mighty stump
Oh no look its Unaware Dondozo
bold geode
Jokes on you I had two turns of setup and am at +2/+2 from superpower
Jokes on you
Biden Blast
unkempt flax
But now it's the originality of my team
Real
bold geode
Tera Biden Blast
supple ether
I did get swept by contrary seviper this morning. Thundurus scary face+eerie impulse and I got my cheeks clapped
unkempt flax
mighty stump
Lol
autumn vault
I used salamence once because it countered urshifu rapid and iron hands
supple ether
Flying types v nice this format
autumn vault
I did get swept by contrary seviper this morning. Thundurus scary face+eerie imp...
I got swept by a contrary malamar on trick room
supple ether
Skarmory could be 53% usage if only it was useable
That typing goes hard rn methinks
mighty stump
Skarmory when Corviknight
supple ether
There's two unusable floating hunks of metal 😭
mighty stump
Corviknight won a small tour
So yk
That's something
Skarmory when its one unique typing got given away
Oof
bold geode
That's something
That was a Scam (I'm funny)
bold geode
Copyright the Bobby guy that Dillon is friends with
autumn vault
Darkshifu arts you mean
Rapidshifu you meant
mighty stump
Based as hell
autumn vault
Does the same except for better signature move
mighty stump
Not in this case
bold geode
Rapidshifu you meant
Reg D so
Darkshifu took less from Rocky Helmet
mighty stump
and also can hit Amoonguss
autumn vault
Goes through sash
bold geode
Also Wicked Blow is better than Surging Strikes, can't change my mind
autumn vault
Both are situational and good in their own rights
autumn vault
Surging strikes beats incin except for CC and rain helps it
mighty stump
Darkshifu was an easy climb
Is everyone forgetting Urshifu is a fighting type or something
Like
bold geode
Darkshifu was an easy climb
Darkshifu best Shifu
supple ether
Did wicked blow need to be nerfed for gen9? Am I crazy or is surging strikes better all the way down with the sole exception of vs helmet
mighty stump
I like not having to cry against helmet + able to hit dragons
Theres also fewer switch ins for Darkshifu atm
bold geode
I like not having to cry against helmet + able to hit dragons
Real
mighty stump
You can't even lead Watershifu safely at the moment unless they hvae no switch in
autumn vault
And not everything is trying a way to beat darkshifu unlike rapidshifu
mighty stump
Waterpon/Amoonguss/Rillaboom/Raging Bolt
bold geode
You can't even lead Watershifu safely at the moment unless they hvae no switch i...
Yeah
But Howl Surging Strikes
mighty stump
You have multiple methods of dealing with your checks on that team anyways
bold geode
Tofu that Bolt team
Could I replace Mane with Darkshifu?
mighty stump
Probably?
bold geode
Do I need to show team?
mighty stump
Idk, just test it
bold geode
supple ether
No stomping tantrum interesting
bold geode
Also hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Idk Mane is there to deal with Gholdengo and Bolt
bold geode
No stomping tantrum interesting
For what?
supple ether
Gholdengo and bolt 😂
bold geode
But ran on what?
supple ether
Oh rilliboom
bold geode
At that point, just run High Horsepower
supple ether
Er yeah horsepower
next stump
dude why is it 2024 and Japan doesn’t have a regional-type circuit
supple ether
The 95/95 move(?)
bold geode
Well I like utility better
next stump
poor bastards gotta play closed sheet BO1 to qualify for worlds
bold geode
poor bastards gotta play closed sheet BO1 to qualify for worlds
You think they're relieved at Worlds when they get OTS or scared AF
mighty stump
(No they dont)
supple ether
That's so wild
mighty stump
You click Wicked Blow
bold geode
And pray it kills?
mighty stump
Just click it again
supple ether
Bolt's still too chunky tho iirc. Like 3-4hko
bold geode
Hahaha
AGAIN
mighty stump
252 Atk Urshifu-Single Strike Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Raging Bolt on a critical hit: 106-126 (45.6 - 54.3%) -- 50% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Urshifu-Single Strike Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Raging Bolt on a critical hit: 115-136 (49.5 - 58.6%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO
just click it again
bold geode
Versus Mane doing like guaranteed 2HKO unless tera
But I dooooo resist Goldie 
Plus I have Bundle and Grimm
Fuck it we can try it
What item you recommend now?
mighty stump
Sash, Scarf
bold geode
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Sash probably so I can more likely click it again
I'm guessing max max adamant
supple ether
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Sash probably so I can more likely click it again
Thunderclap tho
bold geode
Yes I would love that
mighty stump
Snorlax @ Iapapa Berry
Ability: Thick Fat
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 164 HP / 252 Def / 92 SpD
Impish Nature
- Yawn
- Helping Hand
- Protect
- Heavy Slam
mighty stump
lmao
bold geode
What even is that set
bold geode
Then again I bring Mane to a lot of games
smoky hawk
anyone got a spread for support whimsicott?
I've had success with a low speed bulky set. 252hp 124def 124spdef 4spatk 4spe. I brought a fake outer when I noticed the opponent had taunt. Also I ran dark tera & covert cloak
bold geode
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Probably just keep it way it is
Make another team with good ol Darkshifu
mighty stump
The logic is I can lead Dnite/Mane and Helping Hand to boost damage output and punish Yawn switches
and in front of Mane I just click Heavy Slam
That's all
So I never worry about Fake Out leads
and in fact can remove opposing Incineroars very early
smoky hawk
I'll design a bulky heavy priority attack team
Won't need speed control
Rillaboom will overwrite psychic terrain and I'll have outs to farigaraf such as kingambit
hot granite
Hey guys wanted to know if someone coule help me build a team i already have some idea ( like a whimsicott thundurus water fire grass ) but need some help on
smoky hawk
Hey guys wanted to know if someone coule help me build a team i already have som...
Want to use whims as pure support with weather or without?
hot granite
I was thinking a set with moon blast taunt sunny day and tailwind
For the whimsi so i can play with fluter mane and walking wake ( maybe ? )
bold geode
The logic is I can lead Dnite/Mane and Helping Hand to boost damage output and p...
Funny
smoky hawk
For the whimsi so i can play with fluter mane and walking wake ( maybe ? )
I had success with whims and I did use sunny day. Encore was amazing but fake tears is tempting
autumn vault
I had success with whims and I did use sunny day. Encore was amazing but fake te...
Dazzling gleam combo?!
hot granite
Well i think one of thos mooves may be better than taunt since thundy will have it
autumn vault
Not more flutter mane synergies
hot granite
And fake tears sound good with all the physicall attackers there is
autumn vault
Intimidate hurts them unless any ability that blocks it, defiant and clear amulet
hot granite
I was thinking i could play whims thundy inci walking wake and ogerpon ( grass or fire still don’t know ) and fluttermane
There is something i don’t understand, why is thundurus not played like i don’t see anyone playing exept on rain teams he have eerie impluse taunt and speed control wich meand u can lower by 2 a fluter or raging bolt or Even landorus
hot orbit
Can someone share me a sylveon team?
mighty stump
There is something i don’t understand, why is thundurus not played like i don’t ...
Cause sure, you can lower Bolt/Lando's stats
But when youre left with a Thundy into those Mons that's still a forfeit
The coverage just isn't as strong compared to something like Tornadus
Its not necessarily bad, but having Tailwind as well is more beneficial than single target Twaves as speed control
Plus, that also means you only have more value into SpAtkers
When its still a fairly physical metagame
mighty stump
Tailwind/Bleakwind/Taunt or Rain Dance. Last slot can either be Icy Wind/Protect. Alternatively Rain Dance can be changed for Sunny Day.
hot granite
If i play tornadus i don’t need whims so i can play something else do you know what is good against lando ( both form )
autumn vault
Is a knock off grassy glide high horsepower u-turn rillaboom good?
Has grassy surge
mighty stump
Wood Hammer
autumn vault
Wood hammer for knock off right
thorn sapphire
Anyone have a team for OU that they are willing to lend? Wanting to get back into singles after focusing on vgc since release. I want to get a feel for the current format before I teambuild myself
autumn vault
Anyone have a team for OU that they are willing to lend? Wanting to get back int...
This channel focuses on VGC, there are Smogon players like me but im not on my pc so i cant lend teams. Someone will
thorn sapphire
Understandable
mighty stump
This channel focuses on in-game* related stuff
Just happens to mainly be VGC
Since it's an official format
@summer shore I've pinged the OU comp helper
summer shore
Anyone have a team for OU that they are willing to lend? Wanting to get back int...
Just grabbed some samples
I've personally just been floating around 1.6 with random teams i've been making in 3~ minutes so don't feel confident giving out a team
mighty stump
Thats fine
Its one of the featured blog sets
Just gotta be wary around Lando-I if you stick with Poison
unkempt flax
I didn’t even know that lol
mighty stump
But useful against Flutter Mane
supple ether
Butterbane hehe
unkempt flax
Just gotta be wary around Lando-I if you stick with Poison
Yeah. Thinking of partnering it with 188 jolly ogerpon wellspring
Maybe helping hand incin with it. Idk the exact calc, I’m on break, but I’d assume ivy cudgle 4 attack from ogerpon well spring being boosted by helping hand would kill Tera poison lando
Maybe you’d need to Tera. Idk
You’d have to Tera nvm
At that point it feels overkill but I’ll try it when I get home
karmic temple
What move are you willing to give up for helping hand
unkempt flax
Good question
supple ether
Flare blitz
unkempt flax
Fake out and parting shot is like essential. Leaving me flare blitz and knock off. I’d personally say flare blitz, because I find alot of value with knock off. But then it might become inconsistent
unkempt flax
Exactly
mighty stump
Even as resisted chip
unkempt flax
Oh yeah
smoky hawk
Snarl is a good option too
unkempt flax
132 SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Tera Poison Incineroar: 56-66 (27.7 - 32.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
I already like
unkempt flax
Yeah I know. I just threw it in
mighty stump
unkempt flax
It was like a quick one
mighty stump
Huh, reading back, can't believe I forgot to put Helping Hand on there
summer shore
@mighty stump woahfu
dense trellis
Hello all! New to the server but was wondering if anyone could think of a good partner for Galarian Zapdos? It’s a niche mon I’ve been trying to use and was wanting some input on it
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> woahfu
woahfu
supple ether
Hello all! New to the server but was wondering if anyone could think of a good p...
Landorous, fluttermane, and ragingbolt are your big sore spots methinks. Archualudon would actually be a great partner if it wasnt so clunky
Maybe kingjambit
mighty stump
Pair it with soemthing you dont want to get intimidated
supple ether
But you also kinda wanna run multiple non-defiant physical attackers on the team, so your opponent brings incin/intimidate. Since gzapdos is uncommon, you can use that to your advantage
Iron crown seems interesting
Not necssarily hard psyspam, but it does make incineroar and flutter squirm
So they'll bring it but not threaten you
autumn vault
How does it make flutter squirm when it can outspeed and hit crown with shadow ball?
supple ether
Also earthquake becomes a possibility
autumn vault
Also incin resists both its stabs
supple ether
How does it make flutter squirm when it can outspeed and hit crown with shadow b...
Tachyon cutter. Bulky enough to retaliate. Focus blast claps incins cheeks
But yeah maybe not ideal
mighty stump
Ehh
autumn vault
Better counters
mighty stump
Focus Blast doesn't really OHKO
Gapdos can be used on Psyspam teams just fine though
The logic that it wants to go into Incin holds
lofty tartan
Follow Me for Shadow Ball. Tachyon Cutter the Flutter Mane 🤷
summer shore
I gotta try psy terrain on ou
mighty stump
Yeah it's something ive seen
You don't necessarily have to run fastest Zapdos eitehr
Because you can run bulkier
Tachyon Cutter already hard threatens both Mane and Pao
lofty tartan
I'm running Crown - tried Gapdos first with it but moved on.
Found I didn't need a Defiant mon
I think it's neat though
Psychic Seed Gapdos with Acrobatics is fine
mighty stump
You can also run Gapdos on any physical heavy team
lofty tartan
https://pokepast.es/4982c788d70030fd <-- mine
supple ether
Gapdos, hands, metagross seems solid too. Though maybe too weak to lando
lofty tartan
Metagross 
mighty stump
ew drago
mighty stump
Tf did I do
BReath
molten oasis
My laptop had to update something today I thought it broke
mighty stump
Drago has a computer pog
molten oasis
Drago has a computer pog
I’ve had a laptop for a few days now lol
karmic temple
My computer is collecting dust 🤭 it hasn’t been turned on since d4 did the first balance patch
molten oasis
I’m gonna get whatever i need to stream through my switch soon
If I even get to the point I can play on cart lol
karmic temple
You just need the capture card and that’s it
molten oasis
Oh ok
warped mason
Weezing regigigas is hilarious
molten oasis
Soon I will become vgc boy
karmic temple
This is the one I use to stream
Me spending hundreds of dollars on streaming equipment just to not do it consistently 
molten oasis
Cool
forest arrow
HD60 S/S+ is more than enough to stream switch stuff
balmy glen
This is the one I use to stream
What do people use to stream their switches
bold geode
How you idiots doing today
bold geode
Why does torn use a rocky helmet
To have your opponent take recoil
I prefer Cloak, but Rocky Helmet is perfectly viable
Ah that's Anton's team you're referencing
That's a good team
warped mason
Regidrago is awesome
near crag
is drifblim any viable, currently?
nocturne holly
This is the one I use to stream
ew 1080p
nocturne holly
Why spend more money on an object that was used 14 times last year 😭
ew objects
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/eb66b58f2a4f3817 I put landorus t instead of incineroar is this good?
next stump
is drifblim any viable, currently?
it’s not unusable but i don’t really see what it has going for it compared to other options
robust hinge
Can any one Skrim the bb prologue with me so I can try my team out??
near crag
it’s not unusable but i don’t really see what it has going for it compared to ot...
how about altaria?
next stump
probably worse lol
robust hinge
how about altaria?
Altaria is probably one of the worst comp mons lol
sage moat
What's a good way to start building a team? I havent teambuilt since red D
smoky hawk
What's a good way to start building a team? I havent teambuilt since red D
Take a look at rental teams and research some competitive guides. Look at the pins here
sage moat
Alr ty
surreal echo
https://pokepast.es/eb66b58f2a4f3817 I put landorus t instead of incineroar is t...
I think this was mentioned before by Tofu, which is that Iron Boulder really needs solid speed control to work
so I'd honestly reccomend torn or whimsicott for this team
maybe kingambit too, since they cover each other's weaknesses somewhat and its presence prevents an incin lead
charred saddle
did u mean iron boulder? since i dont think iron hands gonna need speed control
surreal echo
oh yeah lol
charred saddle
nocturne holly
sad there isn’t much hands : (
charred saddle
oh ye hands is also not seen as much
atomic mural
I think this was mentioned before by Tofu, which is that Iron Boulder really nee...
who would i replace?
flutter would make the most sense to remove right?
molten oasis
What’s going on here?
brazen zinc
https://pokepast.es/6fbe8e7657eba9ac anyway i can play around tornadus with roaring moon
i am slower so i basically win against rain but thats it
near crag
I'm thinking of doing a imprison, tr, tailwind set, is it worth it?
kindred cypress
I'm thinking of doing a imprison, tr, tailwind set, is it worth it?
Why imprison?
I mean I love running it, but why that and the others?
near crag
Imprison to block those
charred saddle
https://pokepast.es/6fbe8e7657eba9ac anyway i can play around tornadus with roar...
whats the chiyu and roaring moon bulks calced for?
and why is there 10 hp and 1 def on nite?
near crag
I mean I love running it, but why that and the others?
by blocking those, I would shut down most speed control strats
brazen zinc
whats the chiyu and roaring moon bulks calced for?
didnt have enough ev reducing berries
so some are a bit odd
charred saddle
ahh ok
brazen zinc
whats the chiyu and roaring moon bulks calced for?
chi yu is just bulky sweep
paired with tailwind its lethal
sunny day*
charred saddle
uh ok
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/3e8bc971a69bdedd which tail wind setter would work for my team?
brazen zinc
tornadus?
kindred cypress
by blocking those, I would shut down most speed control strats
Which Mon knows all 3?
atomic mural
drifblim and galarian articuno i looked
kindred cypress
But can they outspeed the tw users
atomic mural
nope, tornadus is 111 and whimsicott is 116
and since they have prankster tailwind, it dosent matter
kindred cypress
You would need weezing, and a choice scarf and your Mon
atomic mural
yeah
kindred cypress
And if they fake out, your done
atomic mural
this would probably give you the best change of setting up your imprison strat
or this
kindred cypress
this would probably give you the best change of setting up your imprison strat
They can always swap out
And you don’t have any power to kill either the tr or tw setter
atomic mural
yeah
unkempt flax
What’s the HP’s I want to hit for optimal leftovers recovery again?
charred saddle
closest multiplication of 16 ig, then add 1?
since it heals for 1/16 right
id say like, 16 hp heals 1, 17 hp heals 2
i think its the same for like grassy
kindred cypress
guys why ogerpon water is good?
Water absorb is good, she gets sp def boost when Tera, and water beat fire kitty
modest scarab
ok thanks
robust hinge
guys why ogerpon water is good?
Yah bc it’s a pretty fragile mon so the sp def boost is good
ember linden
Just lost to a hydrapple that hit the double in power every time
He used it 5 times
God forbid I get out of ultra
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/7a600a8011ab7119 so would this be an effective iron boulder team?
charred saddle
especially with bulk investments, its very bulky, and getting follow me support is very nice.
and especially for water urshifu
hard flare
Anyone have an opinion on if my ttar for a sand team should go 252 hp and atk with assault vest or is it better to put some points in speed I've seen people doing it but what am I aiming to outspeed with 70ish points of investment
nocturne holly
Just lost to a hydrapple that hit the double in power every time
how many times
fucking hurts lmao
ember linden
how many times
fucking hurts lmao
I feel like bro was cheating💀
viscid shoal
guys why ogerpon water is good?
Good typing so helpful with follow me and as a switch in, also hits a lot of big threats for super effective
nocturne holly
-calc 0.2^5
gentle cragBOT
Result: 0.000320
wheat geode
Can a Relaxed nature Belly Drum Snorlax still reliably OHKO assuming trickroom? 244 HP, 252 Def, the rest in SpeDef; will I need Life Orb or can I get by with Leftovers/Berry?
karmic temple
Yes
craggy swan
are the orbs or crystals better for dialga/palkia?
i guess it's 20% move power vs the speed/sp def
supple ether
I think dialga likes to be offensive and palkia defensive? I could be wrong. Typically the role of the pokemon comes before the item. Like is urshifu better with scarf, focus sash, or leftovers? Really depends on what he's doing and for why
rustic mountain
plz dont run leftovers urshifu
onyx crown
What is the most aggravating and annoying setup I can do for Deoxys?
knotty mirage
Is there good way to counter skill swap prankster amoongus ?
onyx crown
Amoongus thrives off of Spore, right
knotty mirage
Yeah and prankster makes it spore always go first
Which is annoying asf to deal with
onyx crown
Use a pokemon with Vital Spirit
supple ether
Grass types/hyper enough offense
onyx crown
Amongus uses Spore, you set up, Amongus gets scared and runs. Easy
Annihilape can have Vital Spirit without much drawback I'm pretty sure. And it's good with Rage Fist
Or you can meme and use Delibird
pearl wind
Is there good way to counter skill swap prankster amoongus ?
grass types, safety goggles, follow me ogerpon
molten oasis
Is there good way to counter skill swap prankster amoongus ?
How did that happen
knotty mirage
How did that happen
By using male meowstic it have prankster and skill swap
You can even get spore go second after the skill swap because of the prankster immedietaly apply to amoongus
charred saddle
quite interesting haha
mighty stump
Can a Relaxed nature Belly Drum Snorlax still reliably OHKO assuming trickroom? ...
You need Berry.
mighty stump
Annihilape can have Vital Spirit without much drawback I'm pretty sure. And it's...
Gets intimidated cycled
mighty stump
Is there good way to counter skill swap prankster amoongus ?
And I wouldn’t worry about that
Thats a one-off + your team in general should already be built accounting for Amoonguss
onyx crown
If I have a Pure Power Medicham Skill Swap a fully spec'd Adamant 31 IV 252 EV in Attack Regigigas, how high would it's Attack Stat be
molten oasis
By using male meowstic it have prankster and skill swap
Man lol
wheat geode
You need Berry.
Gotcha—should I invest more in Atk or will Belly Drum be safe enough?
smoky hawk
If I have a Pure Power Medicham Skill Swap a fully spec'd Adamant 31 IV 252 EV i...
High as Snoop Dogg
Regigigas needs weezing too. The setup for this sounds a bit too delicate
mighty stump
Gotcha—should I invest more in Atk or will Belly Drum be safe enough?
Not really necessary
mighty stump
Regigigas needs weezing too. The setup for this sounds a bit too delicate
Skill Swap takes away Slow Start, essentially the same thing
wheat geode
Not really necessary
Awesome, thanks! Just wanted a good mix of bulk and damage for my lax, appreciate the response!
gentle cragBOT
Awesome, thanks! Just wanted a good mix of bulk and damage for my lax, appreciat...
daveeee has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu
civic wedge
i saw this set on pokeaimMD, can someone tell me if it's good?
supple ether
Looks useable, I cant say it seems really good though, especially since knock off is your only move every other turn and no protect (plus landorus is still oppressive vs you with elec tera)
Unless (a part of) the team is built around supporting it
civic wedge
Looks useable, I cant say it seems really good though, especially since knock of...
maybe play rough?
supple ether
Maybe 90% accuracy feels bad tho
supple ether
An I crazy or is thunderclap +2 priority?
pearl wind
its +1
mighty stump
You still need STAB
fluid wind
mighty stump
https://pokepast.es/807e023d453ce6fb
Show EVs.
Also, no Sleep Powder?
You don't really have the bulk on Venu to run something like Black Sludge, and it sucks if you Tera, no reason to do it over Lefties. You also have no immediate Sun like Torkoal + Booster Energy on Wake is redundant
Heatran is missing STAB
and Chien-Pao is more detrimental than useful to the rest of your team, I don't see anything barring Hands benefitting off of SoR
modest scarab
Good typing so helpful with follow me and as a switch in, also hits a lot of big...
thanks
sharp cobalt
What's a good Archaludon set? AV with Electro Shot or TBolt/DPulse or Meteor/Body Press/Flash Cannon?
Wdym it gets Aura Sphere
mighty stump
Aura Sphere is worse off anyways
If you're not running Rain, its always Tbolt or Snarl
Draco/Flash Cannon/Body Press
mighty stump
Metagross
mighty stump
You'd be giving Entei AV/LO and CB to Dnite
Entei wants the flexibility
Might as well mimic the Portland winning team
Sometimes you just bring both
mighty stump
It varies
warped mason
Srry booster flutter
mighty stump
Same answer, it varies, and depends on Booster SpA or Spe
warped mason
Did the winner go booster special or speed?
warped mason
Eh, I think I'd just rather go specs
zenith jungle
What's the base power of surging strikes with mystic water and 252 atk evs
next stump
What's the base power of surging strikes with mystic water and 252 atk evs
EVs won’t change base power, but mystic water is a 1.2x increase
zenith jungle
Ah right
next stump
Surging Strikes is 25x3 base power, but since you crit every time it’s really 112.5 instead of 75. so with Mystic Water I’m pretty sure it’s 135
mighty stump
REG F WHO
next stump
had to put my boy heatran in the grave though for ursaluna
karmic temple
Rip heatran
mighty stump
Grass so you retain Urshifu resist and don't have to Body Press Amoonguss
sharp cobalt
Thank
supple ether
LETS F*CKING GOIOOOOOO
I played out of my mind 6-0 streak to MB
Granted it was with a rental team, which confirms my sudpicions that I am a garbage team builder
We take those tho
Went fron 10-16 to 16-16
bold void
I played out of my mind 6-0 streak to MB
supple ether
Ah man that last game was intense. Half health entei, half health lando, full health urshiru in the back for my opponent; healthy whimsicott and half health iron crown for me
Read them like a book and got it down to just a whimsicott urshifu endgame, which I managed to encore detect loop
elder root
If I know I want to use Magmar and Raging Bolt, should my next step be finding synergies or adding goodstuff?
supple ether
My thought process (which could be flawed) would be to find a mon or two that answers bolt's weaknesses. So, for example something to stop flutter mane/dazzling gleam and something to stop landorous/earthpower/earthquake/stomping tantrum
Could be as simple as light screen or as niche (weird) as triple axel meowscarada
Ideally whichever move/mon is your answer can also be used on its own or synergistically with the rest of your (yet to be built) team
fallen garden
had to put my boy heatran in the grave though for ursaluna
on brand for heatean to lose to a ground type
mighty stump
"Synergies" are sometimes just newbie traps people fall into when teambuilding
If you try to make everything always work together it ends up becoming convoluted to run
and once a piece is removed, unable to work
elder root
I feel synergies walk me into corners with subpar mons so thanks for confirming that
mighty stump
Independant pieces that happen to support each other rather than seeking out "synergies" are better
elder root
Would it be valid to look for the simplest answer?
supple ether
I feel synergies walk me into corners with subpar mons so thanks for confirming ...
(ask me how I know about triple axel meowscarada )
Good to know though, ty for insiht tofuu
mighty stump
Yep, no need to overthink things
elder root
Just an example here. I want a partner for raging bolt. I know the brontosaur would appreciate screens and ice types so I wanna go with alolan ninetales?
mighty stump
Doesn't necessarily need an ice type though
A9 doesnt really provide much aside from subpar offense
The screens are usually overwritten when it gets taunted or weather changed
If you want a screens user id rather go with Grimm
supple ether
Grimm 120atk stat does hit respectably with stab too (even if that's not usually what he does -- bo1 ladder you could easily pick up a surprise ko/2hko)
zenith jungle
https://pokepast.es/6611c6e3047d7822
Can someone help me with using this team? I've got the basic idea, like tornadus to set tailwind/rain/taunt support, amoonguss to support other mons, regidrago to fuck up dragons, incin to do incin things, urshifu to fuck everything up, and ggo for flutter mane and ice, rock, psychic and ghost types
How do I deal with psyspam, and trick room? Also what are some good pairings?
mighty stump
You'd be using Regidrago to beat out Arma Psyspam and try adn pick up KOs, you need to prioritise removing Indeedee quickly.
Incineroar will also be your resist into Expanding Force
If youre against Indeedee-Hatterene
Use Urshifu to remove Indeedee so you can Parting Shot the Hatterene and force it to pivot out
With Incin/Amoonguss/Urshifu/Gholdengo you have a balance mode available to you as well
zenith jungle
Hmm when would I need to prioritize bringing torn then? When I'm gonna be outsped?
Also what about cress trick room?
mighty stump
Cress TR? just taunt it
Torn + Amoonguss means they either have to get Taunted or they get slept
zenith jungle
Ohh that would eliminate its dumbass healing too
mighty stump
Amoonguss also pressures the sideslot if its not immune to sleep
zenith jungle
So for armor psyspam lead drago incin
For trick room indatterene lead urshifu incin
For cress bullshit lead torn amoonguss?
For iron crown psyspam would I lead the same?
mighty stump
252+ SpA Dragon Fang Dragon's Maw Regidrago Dragon Energy (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Armarouge: 187-222 (97.3 - 115.6%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
It should kill standard Armarouge, so yes
Iron Crown you'd want something like Incin to start.
Iron Crown also feels like an iffier MU
You'd still prioritise removing Indeedee imo
Gholdengo could be a method of dealing with it, honestly id just get rid of Helping Hand on Incin
Snarl would be particularly helpful.
zenith jungle
I'll talk to the person who helped with this
zenith jungle
Snarl would be particularly helpful.
Does parting shot not do the same thing?
mighty stump
Not if you get redirected.
zenith jungle
Does incin resist psychic??
mighty stump
Dark types are immune to Psychic moves.
zenith jungle
Oh I was looking at the type chart and was looking for resists not immunities myb
I don't think that snarl will be too useful bc I wouldn't be moving before fast special attackers like flutter anyway, so imo it's between knock off and helping hand
mighty stump
? You don't have to go first in that case. Its to protect your side slot
zenith jungle
Yeah I mean I wouldn't be dropping the special attack before they get an attack off anyway
mighty stump
No
I mean
You can protect your side slot and benefit off the dropped special attack in that case afterwards.
Thats the whole point
zenith jungle
Ohh I see
mighty stump
Snarlers are either meant to be fast or bulky enough that they can take a hit
zenith jungle
Makes sense, I'm seeing a lot of people say knock off is a better pick than snarl tho
What are the pros and cons of both? Also should I just not consider helping hand
mighty stump
Helping Hand is just so you don't have to play the Fake Out mirror but you have nothing there that can benefit immediately off of it as a lead without getting Faked Out in return
mighty stump
Makes sense, I'm seeing a lot of people say knock off is a better pick than snar...
Its a matter of composition
Snarl just improves said Psyspam and SpA based MUs.
Knock Off is just damage + utility
zenith jungle
How much would you say my team struggles with psyspam?
And special attackers I suppose
modest scarab
Playing vgc so hard guys people alwais predict me
zenith jungle
Then do different things
modest scarab
Wtf is that
I did by trying to lead different but i cant force to play while being weak to water for example
People read my mind too much from the first move
zenith jungle
I am probably not nearly experienced enough to give any advice that wouldn't be super obvious
modest scarab
And its only bo1 lol if i go bo3 i dont win a single game
mighty stump
Its not really predicting
Its identifying safe plays
True hard reads are rare and should only be reserved for getting out of a bad spot
Bo3s as well, its also information management despite the OTS and not showing your overall gameplan right off the bat, and if it worked the first time theres no reason to change up your leads
Plus changing up your leads should be based off adapting what part of the enemy comp gave you trouble
And overall, it would be attitude and mentality to get you through VGC as a whole hobby
supple ether
Yee, the biggest thing affecting my play personally is whether or not Im considering my opponent's moves. A thunderclap is the obvious play into an opponent's urshifu, but if Im the opponent Im aqua jetting to negate it, protecting, or switching out
Thinking even a half turn ahead is monumental
(I am by no means qualified, but just anecdote)
mighty stump
Respect the mons, don't respect the player
Stick to your own gameplan and flow
Overthinking is the number 1 choker of players
lofty tartan
It's true
mighty stump
If you also consider too much what the opponent is playing
You're not the one piloting or controlling the game
They are
supple ether
0-2 on my competitive analysis 
😂
lofty tartan
Yeah it's a good idea to not get too involved in playing the game for the opponent. Sometimes there's a point where you have to stop trying to outpredict your opponent
autumn vault
Ran into a minimize A-Muk with spore/explosion smeargle, i will always hate smeargle for its crimes but A-Muk might be there with smeargle, smart player but annoying ass team. Also i agree with woodtofu on what he says, can say that from experience
mighty stump
No, you';re definitely always considering what the opponents options are
But considering what options they have
vs what theyre actually going to do and reading into that
Are two different things
lofty tartan
I'm not saying don't do it
mighty stump
One informs, the other one errs
lofty tartan
I'm saying don't get too involved in being in your opponent's head xD
You're overthink to the point of making suboptimal plays
mighty stump
I see also some players psych themselves out cause they play a big name
lofty tartan
That one
supple ether
But considering what options they have
Yee thats what I mean. Like knowing that they have counterplay and considering the risks/pros of a particular play (?)
lofty tartan
That's exactly what I'm saying Tofu
mighty stump
who cares who you're playing, be it Wolfe or be it some 1000s elo shitter
Im playing the same way
I could be 3 up in Pokemon advantage and im still going to not let you KO anything to build good habits
lofty tartan
Yeah overconfidence is a killer.
supple ether
Remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer
autumn vault
Overconfidence is a bad habit in general
lofty tartan
Just always make the ideal plays that are going to risk losing the least - even if you're 3 up to their 1
autumn vault
A come back will always be possible in certain circumstances
surreal echo
Adding onto Tofu’s point earlier, it can sometimes help to put yourself in your opponent’s shoes and analyze the resources they have. If I’m in a position to outspeed and one shot something on my opponent’s team turn 1, my opponent isn’t going to take that face down. They’re either going to Tera, Protect, or switch. Either way, that Pokemon is either going to be using up your opponent’s one-time Tera, or is not going to exert pressure on that turn. That’s something you can capitalize on (by setting up, re-positioning, etc.)
mighty stump
Another thing people always tell me is that "it's fine im going to win anyways" or "i won anyways" but its about the habits too
mighty stump
Adding onto Tofu’s point earlier, it can sometimes help to put yourself in your ...
Going up one level from this is considering what free switch in they might get and if that board state is favourable
Sometimes its also okay not to pick up a double KO immediately and stagger them too
autumn vault
Once i used sucker punch on mane with chien pao, wake protected, switched in entei and sucker punch landed and killed flutter
I predicted and it did pay off
supple ether
Vgc is fun because of that complexity I gotta say man
lofty tartan
Another thing people always tell me is that "it's fine im going to win anyways" ...
This is strong wisdom
autumn vault
Vgc is fun because of that complexity I gotta say man
Sometimes isnt but always has strats and i like meta's with strats
mighty stump
Anyways, new alt, new mindgame
Trying out Gouging Fire in general
Its a +
Favourite Paradox
Unfortunately the 70% GXE broke and now its at 69.7 but yea
modest scarab
Thanks for the help guys i try to change how i approach the game
mighty stump
Overall, just have fun with it
Theres no need to play like 10 games a day
1-2 is fine if thats all you feel like
autumn vault
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2031694422-nw2z2nn9mu1fgvz79q...
Nice comeback, NIIICE
mighty stump
Sometimes I play 1 every 2 days sometimes I play 80 in one sitting
modest scarab
True thanks tofu
autumn vault
Thanks for the help guys i try to change how i approach the game
How i feel after Tofu's words of comp pokemon
zenith jungle
Tofu can you run me through helping hand vs knock off on this https://pokepast.es/6611c6e3047d7822
mighty stump
Id rather have Knock Off
The only time I like Helping Hand on Incin is if you have a Flutter/Incin lead
zenith jungle
Alr knock off it is
How do I know when/what to knock off? I don't know damage calcs so I'm not sure how I'd be able to tell if they have an important item besides life orb
Ughh snarl seems so much easier to use but idk when I'd use it besides against psyspam
mighty stump
Id view it as
Damage
That's all
Don't think too hard about using Knock Off for its Utility
Unelss something is clearly not holding an item e.g. Booster Energy
or resists your Flare Blitz
Just click it
The only time id also consider clickign Knock Off vs Flare Blitz on a neutral target would be if you imagine they have Goggles
allowing Amoonguss to Spore
but most thigns carrying Goggles wants you to click Knock Off into it anyways i.e. Cresselia/Farigiraf cause its SE and Raging Bolt cause it resists Fire
bold geode
We active here now
livid roost
What are people’s thoughts on heavy slam over flash cannon for Archaludon (specifically to deal with flutter mane)
252 modest flash cannon isn’t even guaranteed to OHKO with no special defense investment
mighty stump
Perfeclty valid.
But in that case, I would switch off Draco Meteor for Dragon Pulse so you have consistent STAB options.
autumn vault
What are people’s thoughts on heavy slam over flash cannon for Archaludon (speci...
Well archa has better sp attack then attack but not a bad choice since archa is so heavy
Some flutter run sash so it doesnt matter 11% of the time
livid roost
But in that case, I would switch off Draco Meteor for Dragon Pulse so you have c...
I actually already have been! Since it has so much staying power stacking up SPA drops is annoying
autumn vault
I use draco meteor as a final resort and risk/worth it factor
Helps get wins sometimes
livid roost
Thanks for the input!
autumn vault
Pulse might be better than meteor in some cases but use what you wat
bold geode
-calc 149 x 1.5
gentle cragBOT
Result: 223.500000
mighty stump
quikmafs
supple ether
Do yall reckon we'll see meteor beam really shine? It seems like this format it's decent at least
zenith jungle
What are some good pairings on my team?
mighty stump
The 2nd place team ran Meteor Beam Glimmora
zenith jungle
Do yall reckon we'll see meteor beam really shine? It seems like this format it'...
My regidrago has it so I hope it's good
mighty stump
Armarouge also runs Meteor Beam to deal with Incins from time to time
I don't think Regidrago should have Meteor Beam
It really wants Earth Power to be able to hit steel types
supple ether
My regidrago has it so I hope it's good
The dark arts
