competitive_discussion

[scarlet otter]

And I just wasn't using Raging Bolt much

https://pokepast.es/b0e66d33ec043db6

I also took the feedback you guys told me to improve Urshifu

And Tornadus

In 20 games with Raging Bolt I have only won 7 but with Chien Pao I have won 15

[smoky hawk]

Heading back already?

[tough idol]

That's same mons as me lol bar you have Torn, I have Entei. Different spreads though

[scarlet otter]

Flutter mane is a pain to get 0IV

Since it cannot be breed

Is Tornadus catchable in SV?

[tough idol]

No

[scarlet otter]

Well guess it's off to trading

[tough idol]

I got all mine from PLA, SwSh and PoGo

[scarlet otter]

Check dm's

[smoky hawk]

Don't worry. Foul play and confusion are non-existent in the meta

[scarlet otter]

True, grimsnarl is not a problem anymore

I’ll just use my shiny FM

[lofty tartan]

Absolutely. I figure if I have the money to travel and the will to compete then there's not going to be much that stops me. I kinda dove in really deep really fast and it ended up biting me a little.

If I approach it much more ready then I'll be absolutely fine. We'll connect for sure man. AWESOME showing at Portland - you friggen killed it

[next stump]

I’m about to hop on a train to Seattle to fly out tomorrow morning

[next stump]

Thank you ♥️ that’s a great mentality for you to have

[gentle crag]

mlbd has given 1 Gen Rep to dazedmika

[lofty tartan]

I've been discovering more and more that the game is really dependent on your mental well being

So I'll just have fun for the rest of 2024 season while getting real practice.

[nocturne holly]

real as fuck

[smoky hawk]

Are you going to Vancouver?

[next stump]

No 😦 Charlotte and then that’s it for a while

I almost have my worlds invite so I’m kinda taking it easy

[smoky hawk]

Wow that's quite an achievement

[scarlet otter]

Can we see the team you have been using this far?

[nocturne holly]

chuppa made a nice endgame that game

glimmdozo making a comeback

like how this isn’t the normal stall glim set and more offensive sets are getting popular

[lofty tartan]

Sad I had to pull out of Charlotte - we could've met up there. I'm pretty bummed about it, but I'm trying to look ahead 😄

[nocturne holly]

me when I miss sandsear storm on both targets (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[lofty tartan]

Just click Rain, 5head

[nocturne holly]

me realizing I can add rain: ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

[tough idol]

Pmsl didn't realise Hamburger was Mika

[nocturne holly]

me realizing rain won’t work on the team: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[lofty tartan]

Hamburger Jones to you

Lmfao

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/295e603b442f0f10 thoughts?

[lofty tartan]

Hamburger Jones is a little hamburger puppet my kid made and named and I love it.

He's a cheeseburger, actually, so it's better

[nocturne holly]

lmao is it your pfp?

[lofty tartan]

Yes

It's adorable

[nocturne holly]

fr 🍔

wait is your banner your pc

[lofty tartan]

Hamburger Jones the cheeseburger puppet

Yeah that's my PC. My ram looks different now, though, since I had to replace it.

[nocturne holly]

damn that’s great RGB, what cpu? I built my first pc recently

[lofty tartan]

It's a 10700k overclocked

[nocturne holly]

GPU?

[lofty tartan]

2080 Super - that's also on a separate liquid cooling line

So dual loops

[nocturne holly]

that’s cool

[lofty tartan]

Oh yeah and I had to replace almost all of my fans lol

I have 16 in it. It's an enthusiast PC. I was working for myself as a system integrator.

[nocturne holly]

I’m rocking a 5 7600 and a 7800xt

air cooled

[lofty tartan]

Air and liquid are really comparable.

Like I don't get amazingly different cooling performance just because it's liquid.

[nocturne holly]

air coolers are really good rn

[lofty tartan]

Oh for sure

Air coolers have been really good still. Not just right now.

[nocturne holly]

Thermal right has some great price to performance coolers

[lofty tartan]

Noctua has always been primo

[nocturne holly]

wait 10700k uses ddr4 ram right

[lofty tartan]

Yeah sadly they jumped shipped off this chipset really fast.

BUT luckily DDR5 is tanking DDR4 prices

So I was able to afford 32gb Trident Royal

[nocturne holly]

that’s good

[lofty tartan]

It was the same cost as the RAM I was currently running. So a 1:1 replacement was no difference.

Figured why not. It's fancy.

[nocturne holly]

did you sell the old ram?

[lofty tartan]

I have not - it's Corsair Dominator, but I have to find out which stick has a hardware fault.

I was getting rampant blue screens - RAM failures, memory leaks, just awful. Swapping RAM got rid of my issues, but I have to troubleshoot it to figure out which one is the faulty one

It's honestly one of the most frustrating things to figure out

Especially since my RAM bays are right under a line of tubing

[nocturne holly]

I haven’t done that but watched videos on it and it feels like the worst

[lofty tartan]

I'd rather test it in a test bed

[nocturne holly]

how would you know if you have a faulty pcie slot or gpu

[lofty tartan]

Slot the card in first slot - doesn't work, slot it in second slot

[nocturne holly]

oh yeah

[nocturne holly]

what liquid is that?

[lofty tartan]

If no slots work it may be the GPU - you'd have to get a card you know isn't faulty.

It's uhh this RGB reactive premix coolant

It's fairly eco-friendly too

Biodegrades naturally

[nocturne holly]

w

[lofty tartan]

It's EK branded - don't mix coolant and components - use coolant that's made for your components or you risk a lot of issues

[nocturne holly]

do you use the pc for your cybersecurity stuff?

[lofty tartan]

I use my PC for a lot. It's built to be powerful because I often have to run two FFXIV clients simultaneously - it's a media server and a video editing machine, and if I can land a WFH cybersecurity job it'll be where I do my work if they allow it.

They may need me to VPN using a machine they approved

I stream and make content and stuff - or have before - things have made it a lot more difficult lately. Video editing and streaming live gameplay can be demanding. I use an internal capture card and just stream my switch through my PC

[nocturne holly]

streamed on twitch? User?

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I'm a twitch affiliate.

DazedMika

I haven't streamed lately but like... I think I've really had to just get over my struggles with VGC and "being good at it" before I could really commit to a healthy mentality and move forward.

People think it's all just gameplay and there's a lot more to it all

[mighty stump]

Attitude is number 1

Number 2 is listening to people who know better

[lofty tartan]

^^^

[mighty stump]

Number 3 is know when to stop listening

[lofty tartan]

Number 3 is super subtle and I'm just learning it 😄

But I think it's really important to note. Lots of people will follow what other players say unquestionably, and there's so much to this game that there's no way any one player is gonna know it all

[mighty stump]

cough

[nocturne holly]

fr

except me 😎

[mighty stump]

^ Failed task 1 already

[lofty tartan]

I think like... the pros are phenomenal players, but they're all still just regular people.

They're beatable. They don't know everything for sure. If you think they're invincible, they're gonna be.

[mighty stump]

HUGE SHADOW BALL

[lofty tartan]

I wanna make that meme quality

[mighty stump]

People psych themselves out all the time

[scarlet otter]

What’s the paper he is holding?

[lofty tartan]

hyuge shaduh bawl

[nocturne holly]

Open team sheet

[mighty stump]

Its why you don't need to care who you're playing lol

[lofty tartan]

That's his opponent's team sheet

[nocturne holly]

his opponents sets and stuff

[drowsy radish]

Where can we watch the stream?

[nocturne holly]

YouTube

[mighty stump]

Twitch. Youtube

[nocturne holly]

incineroar is my favorite Mon now

[drowsy radish]

Tofu.. what percentage of players in ranked make it to master ball tier? Is it even an achievement? I got it last night and was pleased but now I’m thinking it’s not even that big of a deal

[nocturne holly]

incin is so goated

[mighty stump]

It's an achievement irregardless of comparison, as long as it's important to you and makes you happy

As many people hit Masterball, many more don't

[nocturne holly]

tofu has that poet in him 🎶

or philosophist

[smoky hawk]

The shadow ball was also the right play if regidrago tera'd

[mighty stump]

They're.,. streaming regionals on TikTok?

Lmao

Its being streamed via TikTok live

[karmic temple]

Slay

[broken grove]

Hi guys I need some advice on counter for these Pokemons I seem to struggle with them quite a lot:

Dragonite
Ogerpon
Fluttermane

Any advice? 😮

[karmic temple]

Rake in as much as they can from ads ig

[molten patrol]

Is getting into commpetive for scarlet worth it

[grave sable]

question any good builds for galarian slowbro with regenerator?

[molten patrol]

Any sugestions to get

If i wanna get into competive later on

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 80: Slowbro-Galar

Types

Poison/Psychic

Abilities

Quick Draw, Own Tempo, Regenerator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/100/95/100/70/30

Total

490

Base Species

Slowbro

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[mighty stump]

Not really, the only one thats running is just meme Quick Draw/Quick Claw

You don't provide good enough reason to be preserved, you'd rather builder Slowking or something that way

[grave sable]

huh?

[mighty stump]

First suggestion is to read through something like VGCguide.com and also go through Pikalytics to get an idea of most used mons atm

[grave sable]

well i wanted to ask around I had a spare from sword/shield and brought it in

[mighty stump]

It's not really a viable choice, the typing lets it down and theres far better TR mons for its spot on a 6

[grave sable]

TR?

[mighty stump]

Trick Room

[grave sable]

ah i thought U mean like TR like in Terra raids

[mighty stump]

Albeit, it's not run with TR, but if you're running Regenerator that's what you'd end up running

[grave sable]

so I should toss the regenrator and give it quick draw instead?

[mighty stump]

Pretty much

[molten patrol]

Should i get into compettive after i finish the story

[mighty stump]

That's up to you lol

It's a time and effort commitment, so not really something someone hops in and out of

[molten patrol]

I would like to give it a go but i havent finished the scarlet and violet story

Plus they have tournements at my local hobby store

[mighty stump]

You'd might want to also finish off the DLC at the same time, and I need to stress

[grave sable]

I am just trying to build up a team cause one dude keeps bugging me to battle him constantly ><

[mighty stump]

Its a time and effort commitment

[mighty stump]

Just use an established rental

Theres quite a few in the pins

Properly built, ready to go

[molten patrol]

@mighty stump would u recomend it

[grave sable]

I know but I wanna build my own, besides they say some rude stuff and I wanna get back at him

[mighty stump]

I mean, it's my hobby

[mighty stump]

Well teambuilding right off the bat properly also requires a lot of knowledge

Hence why I just suggest a rental

[kindred cypress]

Certified moment in finals ngl

[molten patrol]

I really like pokemon so i think ill do it

[mighty stump]

Also, if whoever you're battling also just uses meta

[grave sable]

I been trying to study as much as I can with it with the little time I have avaliable

[mighty stump]

You're limited in options what you can really run

You want my best suggestion? if they don't use meta stuff, just run 4 of your Pokemon that you like, then run Dondozo and Tatsugiri

[smoky hawk]

Anyone saw that end game?

Pretty interesting

[mighty stump]

PaoNiteTei

Im basically clairvoyant for this metagame

[smoky hawk]

Well I was almost right. I had PaoTei and a different dragon type

[kindred cypress]

Was hoping to see entei at least once

[mighty stump]

I was super close to the same core

Lmao

[ember linden]

That crit was so unfort

[charred saddle]

no sleep tofu?

[mighty stump]

sh

shut your whore mouth

I woke up

ok

[ember linden]

[charred saddle]

rude

im just asking

[mighty stump]

Stop asking nerd

[charred saddle]

mods help, staff is harrassing me again /j

[ember linden]

I bet it feels amazing to beat dozogiri to win a regional without something like clear smog or haze

[karmic temple]

Low key glad glimdozogiri didn’t win

Let’s be original and use the new mons!!

[mighty stump]

Im glad though

[charred saddle]

seeing it at 2nd place is quite bad, now people will go “oh nice it almost won, then it must be good”

[mighty stump]

Because it means people are forced to account for it in MUs

and it'll be less successful

[charred saddle]

then its everywhere

[mighty stump]

Yeah thats a good thing

Things have to spread to get countered

[charred saddle]

i mean its true ig

[mighty stump]

Plus

Atp

If you can't play

[karmic temple]

Me adding clear smog on my amoongus again

[mighty stump]

Against DozoGiri

Like come on

[rancid matrix]

dozogiri is still around?

[charred saddle]

oh btw can you upperhand E speed?

[karmic temple]

Unfortunately

[mighty stump]

You can

[rancid matrix]

[mighty stump]

You just don't flinch the main E-Speed users

[charred saddle]

oh right ye

[mighty stump]

Plus, smarter players know how to hold Teras

[molten oasis]

Ok

Now that regionals have ended

[karmic temple]

Any raging bolt spreads 😭😭

[molten oasis]

I have to cook up a rental

[charred saddle]

252 hp 252 def modest

by ryota otsubo btw

not me

the team he made has metagross CB bullet punch to handle flutter

[molten oasis]

Alright, what do I cook with

[charred saddle]

cook with metagross please, i wanna make that thing work

like actually useful

[molten oasis]

Just do av

Or do banded Metagross

[charred saddle]

hmmm

idk banded makes it a bit hard to play around especially its kinda ass typing

WP bulldoze
fun

[molten oasis]

…alright

[warped mason]

I run an AV metagross on my entei chien pao team. I bring it pretty much every time I see flutter.

[charred saddle]

u wanna see whats an ass being an AV metagross?

[warped mason]

?

[nocturne holly]

av was dog on it

it wasn’t doing anything meaningful

[charred saddle]

252+ Atk Metagross Bullet Punch vs. 100 HP / 100 Def Flutter Mane: 108-128 (75.5 - 89.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

ye was about to say it

[nocturne holly]

metal coat would get the ohko right

[charred saddle]

lemme see

[nocturne holly]

+flutters are also slightly bulkier iirc

[warped mason]

Chien pao also gets the ohko

[charred saddle]

HAHAHHA

252+ Atk Metal Coat Metagross Bullet Punch vs. 100 HP / 100 Def Flutter Mane: 128-152 (89.5 - 106.2%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

its ass

[charred saddle]

i always do some minimal thing

[warped mason]

AV metagross should ohko with swords of ruin up

[charred saddle]

and my flutter runs around 100 118 def iirc

[nocturne holly]

you need band

[charred saddle]

so kinda helps with the calc for my team too

252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Metagross Bullet Punch vs. 100 HP / 100 Def Flutter Mane: 140-168 (97.9 - 117.4%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

[nocturne holly]

and then being locked into bulletpunch is … not ideal

[charred saddle]

that is if, its not a bulkier mane

[nocturne holly]

brother

SoR and lorb have the same boost right

[charred saddle]

i wouldnt guess so?

SoR drops 30% def no

[dapper crag]

Ability: Sword of Ruin

Active Pokemon without this Ability have their Defense multiplied by 0.75.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[charred saddle]

LO boosts 30%

[nocturne holly]

oh yeah nvm

[charred saddle]

oh its not even 30% def drop, its 25

[karmic temple]

Protect tr heavy slam

[nocturne holly]

what type of shit was I saying bro what

[nocturne holly]

Use hands at that point

[karmic temple]

We do what we can to make things work

[charred saddle]

my metagross runs a bulkier set, heavy slam BP, psychic fangs protect WP

bulldoze latias to proc WP + drop speed on foes

[warped mason]

Is bulky flutter that popular?

[charred saddle]

its fun and all, but its all crap in front of almighty lando I, doesnt get hit by bulldoze and ohko meta

[warped mason]

Lando I is my goat

[charred saddle]

yez, most of the specs set even run like 100 hp 200 def 36 sp atk modest

rest is on speed

[warped mason]

Oh ok

[charred saddle]

not saying everything will go that bulky, standard sash mane still goes max special max speed

[karmic temple]

Bulky flutter is rapidly gaining in popularity

[charred saddle]

its been there since reg E

idk reg D, since i dont play them

[warped mason]

Can flutter ever ohko AV metagross?

[charred saddle]

hmm lemme see, i would guess so

whats ur spread

unless its like 252+ sp def AV idk haha

[supple ether]

Question: for an EV calc saver (you'd be able to save a specific EV spread and specific attacks/sets to quickly, at-a-glance know what that EV spread is calc'd for) what do you think of this concept? There would obviously be way more mons/moves. Does it make more sense to have the moves associated with a mon (like it is here) or to have mons associated with a move (so replace the urshifu sprite with, say, earthquake, and next to it would be the mons and stats you save)

[charred saddle]

36+ SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross: 218-258 (140.6 - 166.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

that is on to a non AV no bulk

honestly i dont quite understand what you mean, is it like you want like an automatic calced based on your saved EV spreads?

[charred saddle]

36+ SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Metagross: 146-174 (94.1 - 112.2%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

AV set no bulk

so yeah, AV can hold its ground against flutter

just for a turn tho

[supple ether]

Sort of. The fundamental concept is for you to be able to save a particular EV spread and the moves you calc'd it for. Because I know I (and even some top players) forget why exactly you have specific EV spreads. Could be useful as a personal tool as a reminder for what you should be living, or as a way to quickly share a spread(s)

[charred saddle]

i mean thats quite an interesting concept actually, playing lots of different spreads kinda makes you forgot what spread does what

hahaha

[supple ether]

For example I have 20sp. atk evs and a spatk boosting nature on my eleki to kill urshifu 100% of the time, but I would never remember that in a few months, yeah

Im just wondering if it makes more sense to have like "earthquake" and then the mons+AttackEVs/items you calc'd or to have "Urshifu" and the moves/situations you calc'd

[charred saddle]

can you do like an example since im still a bit confused on the move - mon - atk evs part

is it like Surging strikes - Incineroar - 188+ def - Sitrus live with 30-50% hp?

[supple ether]

So the central mon (amoongus in this case) would be the same regardless; but it could get unwieldy if every single mon you calc for has its own sprite -- especially if you're just calcing one move. So would it make more sense for...

OH I think I got something better: damage ranges are the big thing, and each individual calc is a subset of it

[nocturne holly]

isn’t this just showdown

[supple ether]

So you'd have a 100% to live category or a 0% to live, or a 40-60% damage category and then all the mons and their moves would live inside that

Then you could highlight/bold important calcs

[supple ether]

Slightly, this is kind of a VGC companion app/EV saver

[charred saddle]

hmm isnt it better to be like have the move beside the sprites, then u click on the move then it pops up for the calc for your team, since sometimes u wanna switch in

so it also calcs for whats on ur back

[supple ether]

Ohhh could be good too yeah

[charred saddle]

oh and also, keep track on like intimidates and stuff

since like switch in incin means that its not the same calc, itll be -1 (means that you would have to prepare a whole subset of calcs again)

and ofc fake tears and stuffs

burn para etc

[nocturne holly]

Have you heard of the mod showdex?

I think this is pretty similar to that

[supple ether]

Okay okay I think I got a concept now. Dont have time to draw it up, but you'll have your team 's sprites small and to the left, and they'll change hue for switch-in damage (i.e. gholdengo would turn red for an earthquake, but salamence would be green); then you'll have the mons and calcs to the side with togglable move-ordered or mon-ordered (or danage-ordered)

[supple ether]

Lemme find it

[charred saddle]

that sounds nice, and ye i heard showdex before

i think red uses it

never personally uses it but ye

[supple ether]

Ohhhh that's actually super cool, I need to install that. This has a slightly different niche meant more for sharing EV spreads and visually grasping calcs. As opposed to just raw text, and not limited to one at a time

[nocturne holly]

Yeah it’s pretty dandy in actual games too

[true niche]

chuppa's team is very familar on ladder before portland, anyone know where / who it originated?

[fluid wind]

https://pokepast.es/013f59779551b12d

[ionic shell]

anyone has the registeel comp

[molten oasis]

anyone got an off meta mon to throw at me?

to build with*

[nocturne holly]

That prankster cat thing that gets fake out

meowstic

Or glimmora

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 678: Meowstic

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Keen Eye, Infiltrator, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

74/48/76/83/81/104

Total

466

Other Formes

Meowstic-F

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Meowstic's moveset:

Physical Moves

Covet, Cut, Dig, Facade, Fake Out, Frustration, Giga Impact, Iron Tail, Pay Day, Payback, Play Rough, Power-Up Punch, Return, Scratch, Secret Power, Sucker Punch, Tail Slap, Trailblaze, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Charge Beam, Confusion, Dark Pulse, Disarming Voice, Dream Eater, Echoed Voice, Energy Ball, Expanding Force, Extrasensory, Future Sight, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Magical Leaf, Psybeam, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Psyshock, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunderbolt

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Assist, Attract, Barrier, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Charm, Confide, Double Team, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Gravity, Heal Bell, Helping Hand, Imprison, Leer, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Mean Look, Miracle Eye, Misty Terrain, Nasty Plot, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Quick Guard, Rain Dance, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Role Play, Safeguard, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Tickle, Torment, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Wonder Room, Work Up, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Meowstic.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Pokémon No. 560: Scrafty

Types

Dark/Fighting

Abilities

Shed Skin, Moxie, Intimidate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/90/115/45/115/58

Total

488

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

not using glimmora

fuck no

wait prankster yawn is kinda funny

[nocturne holly]

why

[molten oasis]

why would i? glimm only works as a stall mon or a dozo mon

which i dont play either playstyle

meowstic doenst really do much does he

like, its a prankster mon sure but i dont see what to do with it. prankster yawn is kinda funny, imprison too, but thats kinda all i see it doing beyond gimmicky stuff

oh yea im gonna be on a laptop more now

as i finally got my hands on one and its pretty nice

[charred saddle]

i mean, you ask for an offmeta mon no, and most offmeta mon can come off as gimmicky

[molten oasis]

theres a difference between offmeta and gimmick mons

[charred saddle]

oh is that the computer u told us? nice

im not saying as offmeta = gimmicky,

most are, since if they are applicable and consistent, they will be meta

there might be unexplored stuffs

[molten oasis]

off meta is more something like metagross and primarina, where they have good tools and overall a good mon, but dont compare to the top guys

[nocturne holly]

did you not see Portland today? Meteor beam sets are becoming more common

[molten oasis]

gimmicky is your little timmys that run something like explosion shit

[molten oasis]

ON DONDOZO TEAMS

[nocturne holly]

it’s a new twist on glimm which sounds cool

[nocturne holly]

yea but shut up 😭

[molten oasis]

please give me the paste of the glimmora power herb team that wasnt paired with dozo, ill wait

[grave agate]

I just saw that assualt vest Primarina and weakness policy weak armor Armorogue set (Prim aqua jets the armorogue to proc the ability and the weakness policy

Thoughts on that..?

[molten oasis]

...eh

i think weakness policy stuff is kinda stupid unless youre armarouge, and even then just use a pivot mon to get indeedee in for free

lando t, booster moon

[nocturne holly]

Those are some good specs for a laptop

[charred saddle]

the one impresses me more is, the prim rather than the armarouge tbh haha

[nocturne holly]

that’s a pretty good cpu and ddr5

[charred saddle]

prim hits very hard with 252+ sp atk

like i didnt expect it to hit that much

[grave agate]

And is pretty bulky with vest (note that prim was modest in that set

[charred saddle]

arm there is just to catch people off guard, especially when they saw the team first time

[molten oasis]

i dont get doing vest on prima

[charred saddle]

like i would say, it wont be effective now that cybertron featured it

[charred saddle]

ik, i remember the whole set haha

[molten oasis]

i think its kind of a waste, av would benefit more on something else

usually

[charred saddle]

i mean its kinda true to some cases, but like people also wouldnt expect AV and would think like oh flutter + something can ko

and fall short

[molten oasis]

flutter doenst kill prima but yea

[charred saddle]

i also get your point that like AV rilla stuffs

its a cool mon tho, more surprised into the 252+ modest hyper voice hahah

[molten oasis]

i like lorb or throat spray better on prim

just dish more damage

[charred saddle]

i think with the teams ive tried, prim lefties with rilla grassy terrain calm mind set is very strong too

bulky as hell and hits like a truck

[molten oasis]

oh yea it gets calm mind

[charred saddle]

only problem is its slow as crap

so ye, gets outsped

gonna be having to play around it

[molten oasis]

i can pivot slow tanky mons pretty well

id even say kingambit is the mon i pilot the best

i love kingambit

[charred saddle]

kingambit my beloved

i couldnt say much, since i only started reg E, but kingambit carried my whole journey with my team

get off 1 SD, boom pow sucker everyone

[molten oasis]

i think av is underrated

av kingambit beats every fluttermane

[charred saddle]

ive tried AV sets tho, the lowkick iron head sucker kowtow/terablast

its definitely fun, but i got too used with the SD set i had

[molten oasis]

av runs low kick/blast

[nocturne holly]

fr and if they lead lando or some shit it’s fucking crazy

[molten oasis]

and ALWAYS run kowtow sucker and iron head

[charred saddle]

oh? the one set i saw doesnt run kowtow iirc

[nocturne holly]

gambit has been carrying my team

[old tulip]

Hey all! Simple question for everyone! I managed to get a speed IV range of 1-15 on my Urshifu Single strike and was wondering if i should keep the IV low in the off case i play against trick room or if i should just gold bottle cap it! On the team is a Tailwind Tornadus to help it out! Any help or suggestion would be appreciated! (Doubles format)

[charred saddle]

might be misremembering it

[molten oasis]

weird

[nocturne holly]

the mus it does well in are insane

it either contributes a whole shit load or not as much

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 892: Urshifu

Types

Fighting/Dark

Abilities

Unseen Fist

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/130/100/63/60/97

Total

550

Other Formes

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[nocturne holly]

or I’m just shit at piloting idk 🤷‍♂️

[charred saddle]

eh, its 97 base speed it still too fast to play under TR

since most TR abusers like arm and torkoal usually goes under it

[nocturne holly]

You should probably bottle cap the speed
urshifu is not meant to be used like that

[old tulip]

Gotcha! Thank you very much! So just max it out then! Sounds good!

[supple ether]

97 base speed is quite high to be considering TR. Especially considering some urshis run max speed jolly to outspeed certain targets

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 936: Armarouge

Types

Fire/Psychic

Abilities

Flash Fire, Weak Armor (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/60/100/125/80/75

Total

525

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[charred saddle]

ye arm is still far below 97

[old tulip]

A right Arm is 75

[nocturne holly]

reminds me of the stellar tera blast shifu in Portland today
it’s was so good on scarf darkshifu

[molten oasis]

if you build it for tr shifu is gonna suck

[old tulip]

@nocturne holly I saw that today! Looked exciting!

[molten oasis]

but i like shifu as a fast mode mon in addition to trick room

[charred saddle]

if ur playing against TR psyspams, get something to play around the terrain is quite nice

you can do sucker to armarouge and like switch in rilla

[nocturne holly]

Fr

[molten oasis]

so like, urshifu indeedee hatterene is pretty good

[charred saddle]

no psychic terrain = sucker

the stellar tera blast urshifu tho

[nocturne holly]

indeedee almost always follows me

[molten oasis]

that first game first turn read was beautiful

[nocturne holly]

in that Mu

[molten oasis]

bye flutter, no one likes you

[charred saddle]

yes, but also can forgot about that and do like helping hand to ensure heatwave ko

and more like into, if its follow me TR t1, theres no way ur urshifu doesnt ohko indeedee with ur wicked

i forgot the dark sig move

[nocturne holly]

sucker won’t do anything to follow me

[charred saddle]

unless it tera ig

[nocturne holly]

The safe play there is follow me there imo

so u turn or wicked blue cuz I think you live heatwave

[charred saddle]

...

ill just lay it out

follow me indee, TR arm
dark ursh sig move, then ur other mon idk what do, better to double up on it

then next no more indeedee, just switch in rilla sucker

[nocturne holly]

this was about sucker as the first move

I was arguing about not sucking first play

wicked blow is the play there I definitely agree

[charred saddle]

yeah why would u sucker on t1? when the linear gameplan was TR followme?

oh right wicked blow yeah

[nocturne holly]

☝️

ok ig this is just a misunderstanding lol

[charred saddle]

i followed it up, on what if its t1

just got kinda chopped up haha

does wicked blow ko indeedee on max hp max def impish?

[nocturne holly]

I’m pretty sure

Tera dark would

[charred saddle]

oh bold mb

[molten oasis]

wicked blow kills indeedee most of the time

[charred saddle]

252+ Atk Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Indeedee-F on a critical hit: 200-236 (112.9 - 133.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

holy hell, almost a roll

252+ Atk Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Fire Indeedee-F on a critical hit: 100-118 (56.4 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Tera Dark Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Fire Indeedee-F on a critical hit: 134-158 (75.7 - 89.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

oh wait it usually runs black glasses mb

[molten oasis]

funny

[charred saddle]

252+ Atk Black Glasses Tera Dark Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Fire Indeedee-F on a critical hit: 158-188 (89.2 - 106.2%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

a roll

quite insane hmm

[nocturne holly]

that’s some insane damage

[broken wadi]

What are some ways to learn competitive Pokemon? I wanna try making a team around Kommo-o ! Also this'll be first time really setting foot into comp Pokemon

[hard flare]

If you're planning on playing doubles like VGC watch some pro players and learn the meta even if you don't want to copy the meta or play anything like it knowing what's good can help you build your off picks to compete and learning ivs evs nature's and abilities and what's good for each pokemon the more knowledge on what all pokemon do especially the meta ones helps

TLDR watch pro players and team building guides

Anyone been playing sandstorm in s/v I never really played doubles but I'm thinking of getting into doubles with sandstorm any tips

[charred saddle]

https://youtu.be/h1x0xl8zHnI?si=zhNCZlv0NvVYHbp3

https://pokepast.es/1ced34f938614832

This is the sacramento regional winning team, might not be that relevant since it was a Reg E team, while its reg F now, but prob a good base idea

do watch the yt, and look into the team breakdown for information, watching the game also helps as cybertron explains the idea on each moves

[broken wadi]

Thank you! I'll try that ^_^

[gentle crag]

twinklemermaid has given 1 Gen Rep to bobko11

[broken wadi]

Thank you I will watch that video! That's super helpful :D

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1704684580:R>.

[next stump]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

[molten oasis]

alright yall

im gonna build with primarina

[supple ether]

I recently did a build with her. 252+ spatk life orb gets some nutty knockouts. And 252HP lets you live a surprising amount of attacks

[molten oasis]

i plan to do calm mind

[supple ether]

Fair yuh

[warped mason]

Solid winrate into ultraball

[next stump]

congrats 🙂

[broken grove]

Does Rapid Spin also remove Reflect and Light Screen effects?

[mighty stump]

No

[broken grove]

😭

[warped mason]

My switch died on my master ball rank up 😭

[strange fjord]

f

[spare skiff]

I wish I was that good lol

[strange fjord]

you just gotta practice more

[amber seal]

So I’m trying to ev train a Pokémon

And I have 212 HP / 102 Def / 30 SpA / 2 SpD / 100 Spe

<@&663761167176433665>

[amber seal]

But it won’t let me increase my SpA

[undone sage]

Hahaha

[amber seal]

But my stats only add up to 446?

[gentle crag]

🔨 Banned mark19024 indefinitely

[undone sage]

Oh I thought it was my friend

[amber seal]

Anyone know why it doesn’t want me to have 508

[strange fjord]

it might have had stats before you began EV training?

[amber seal]

Nope it was a fresh catch from the wild, and it hasn’t fought

[strange fjord]

how were you EV training?

using vitamins/mochi/feathers or wild Pokemon?

[amber seal]

Mochi and feathers

[strange fjord]

do you know your Pokemon IVs?

[amber seal]

No

[strange fjord]

what level is your Pokemon?

[amber seal]

73

[strange fjord]

You could Hyper Train it and then go to an EV calculator (since hyper training makes all IVs 31) you can see where the EVs went.

maybe you miscounted or accidently added too much EVs to a stat and didn't notice

[amber seal]

Yeah maybe

I’m just praying that I don’t need to do a fresh start mochi because I have spent so much mochi on this

[drowsy radish]

This team got me to master ball tier. But I hardly ever used dragapult, and when I did, it put out very little dmg. What would be a solid replacement?

[late chasm]

Can someone please explain what is Regulation Set F (until april 2024)? what is the difference with Ranked Battle (until jan 2024)? how to join both? Thanks. <@&727593710816067594>

[woven zodiac]

How bout dragonite? You could go the singles route and Tera normal banded extreme speed or something.

[vapid comet]

Regulation F is the current format for competitive Pokemon, in the 2 official formats (BSS for Single battles, and VGC for Double battles). This ruleset allows Pokemon from SV, Pokemon HOME, and both DLC1 and DLC2, while only banning some of the "restricted" Pokemon (box legendaries and similar mons, as well as Mythicals)

[mighty stump]

sum1 used the comp helper ping thats crazy

[vapid comet]

Ranked Battles is the name for the online environment in which you can play using these rulesets. This ranking ladder resets once every month (hence the "until Jan 2024")

[vapid comet]

ikr

[mighty stump]

The ruleset is also going to alter again by April 30th, moving on to Regulation G, where there will be further changes to allowed Pokemon in Ranked Battles

[late chasm]

Owh, is that illegal?

[vapid comet]

no, it just doesn't happen very often

[mighty stump]

No, its just probably the first time in like

A year

[late chasm]

Sorry, i dont know😅

[vapid comet]

no worries, that's what we're here for

[mighty stump]

Ya no problem

[vapid comet]

mostly what Tofu is here for tbh

[mighty stump]

👁️

[late chasm]

I can join from battle stadium for monthly ranked battle. How about the reg set F?

[vapid comet]

Regulation F (aka just... the 6th ruleset of Scarlet/Violet) is the ruleset that is currently active if you play ranked battles

for example, regulation E (the previous format) didn't allow Pokemon from the 2nd DLC to be used

[mighty stump]

https://www.serebii.net/scarletviolet/rankedbattle/regulationf.shtml

List of banned Pokemon are here

[late chasm]

So, both still using battle stadium, only the rules are different?

Thanks for explanation. <@&727593710816067594>

[vapid comet]

No problem

[drowsy radish]

Ooo yes I like this. Probably gives the oppo something more threatening to think about too

Does psychic terrain prevent e speed tho?

[mighty stump]

It does lol

If you wanted a TR team one from Portland recently cut

Can use that as a reference point

[orchid falcon]

Question: In draft battles, how many points do you usually get to spend on selecting pokemon? If it differs im using this chart https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qMdr5I8ekzOSwNYSMGiD_HhxGlD8DwQMNJ1ZGOFJDTI/edit#gid=963003098

[mighty stump]

@vapid comet Are you around? I have no clue

[amber seal]

I did that. Hyper trained my ivs

Got to level 100

Used a fresh start mochi.

Still doesn’t wanna work

[karmic temple]

That’s weird

[knotty mirage]

Is it better to give walking wake fire terra or just keep it on water terra ?

[amber seal]

…the fuck

I have 16 extra evs in hp

I didn’t put those there

[dapper crag]

Does anyone have a tier list for the best competitive Pokemon right now?

[mighty stump]

Closest thing to an objective one would be just to reference Pikalytics

https://www.pikalytics.com/

[chrome knot]

https://labmaus.net/tournaments/1106

im sooooo happy new toy syndrome wore off

[vapid comet]

sorry I was busy

[vapid comet]

with a 19 tier draft board, it's usually around 120

for 9-11 mons

@orchid falcon there are alternate formats, such as a 5 tier draft board, or free draft, but I won't get into detail on those

[orchid falcon]

where can i find the boards for those?

[modest scarab]

guys can anyone explain me the best leads for a team im about to play pls

im new to vgc

didnt play too much

https://pokepast.es/135ed7e0ebea7d47

this sun team

i suck at knowing who to lead

i dont wanna burn the tornadus for his sunny day

[bold geode]

Morning

[vapid comet]

each league usually makes their own tiers. In free draft the powerlevel of the teams usually becomes much higher, since everyone just picks... whichever mon they want that is still available.
(Example of a free draft board, and the teams that were made. Note that this Draft was for DLC) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wqaFs8jOsdsx5xc7qFCF9mK8cRX71ffPd8_GRWzDCgo/edit#gid=1726256074

Our draft league (which is hosted in the separate Draft server, but still a part of this server) uses a 5 tier system, where players pick a certain number of Pokemon from every tier, instead of point based. For the current season, each team picks 2 mons from tier 1, 2 mons from tier 2, 3 mons from tier 3, and 2 mons from tiers 4 and 5.
(Example of a 5 tier draft board, with the teams that were made. Note that this draft was for DLC 1 VGC)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o33ykmb8Vu862y4AnFqJ7EYIuFGq3Vrp3DicSTsfx5s/edit#gid=668615005

[vapid comet]

which Pokemon to lead (and just... which mons to bring at all) strongly depends on your opponent's team. There isn't really any set lead that is always good

[modest scarab]

but this applies even on weather teams?

[vapid comet]

most commonly you'd lead one of your "offensive" mons next to one of your "support" mons with a team like this

[modest scarab]

the tornadus is not a stable lead

ok thanks

[vapid comet]

in this case, Tornadus, Rillaboom, and Hands all count as "support" mons, due to Fake Out pressure

[modest scarab]

ok thank you

[vapid comet]

ofc keep in mind that, based on the team your opponent is using, and what they bring/lead, there are situations where you would want to lead something like Iron Hands/Tornadus, or Flutter Mane/Gouging Fire

it's not an exact science

[modest scarab]

perfect thanks man i appreciate that

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/e3c92548198e3d06 any suggestions for changes anyone? Mu into flutter feels kinda ass. Primarina has been fine, incin has been fine, Ogerpon has been okay, not sure about av on bolt, Fari doesn’t feel like it’s bringing anything to the table and urshifu feels like it wants a defensive Tera but I haven’t played with it much so I would be wrong who knows

[thick geyser]

Im building a trick room team
https://pokepast.es/d7aa6de0fdbdcce8
Need help picking mons it dose do psyspam

[zenith jungle]

https://pokepast.es/603f3f6b859a1d0e

How is landorus used on this team?

Also I got a rundown on how to use each mon (besides lando) but does anyone else have any advice on how to play with this? This is my first team, and will be my first time playing against other people

[azure salmon]

should i not worry about working on servine's SpA evs if it has leaf storm and contrary? im going to max Atk ev for leaf blade

[mighty stump]

Its just a fast SpAtkers. You use your offensive pressure to capitalise on turns you expect them to Protect and click Sub

Making it harder for you to be removed

[zenith jungle]

Gotcha

Would tornadus gholdengo be a good lead?

[mighty stump]

That's fine

[mighty stump]

Nope, you should just be maximising your investment in SpA and Spe and spam Leaf Storm

[zenith jungle]

Also how do I decide which mons to take/lead

[mighty stump]

Based on theirs, that's just matchup knowledge

[zenith jungle]

I do not currently have matchup knowledge, do you have any general tips?

[mighty stump]

Well just know that sets are generally similar, and stick to a gameplan. Here its just Hyper Offense

You get speed control

and you start picking up KOs

[zenith jungle]

👍

Ty

[azure salmon]

true but since im giving servine a physical and special attack, i think i would see how maxing atk and spe and letting contrary raise Spa goes first

still thxs for the info

[mighty stump]

Serperior has terrible SpA at base, you really want to enable its Leaf Storms

Theres no point in splitting your eggs when you can maximise its damage output

Otherwise it just ends up not very threatening

[azure salmon]

yeah thats true :^

[orchid falcon]

whats a good EV spread for minior?

[ionic shell]

is there a mon that has drought and knows tailwind that's naturally fast or is a prankster

[next stump]

not that i can think of

your best bet is whimsicott or tornadus and use sunny day

[ionic shell]

fk it's too turn consuming

i think walking wake is all hype ngl

i need to set-up tailwind and sunny day

[next stump]

you don’t need to, but it definitely helps it out

it can function with life orb and just tailwind before you get a sunny day up

[tired sage]

then you can lead torkoal whimsy and switch in wake after-?

[smoky hawk]

I used walking wake in Portland and I still don't know what to think about it. I remember one game 3 when I brought it and I said to myself "walking wake was not a mistake"

[echo portal]

Is shell smash baton pass polteageist too readable to work these days

[smoky hawk]

They had no answers to it. It usually performed well enough. But it wasn't the best performing mon on the team

I'll tell you this, though. Leading whims and WW, clicking sunny day and tera fire Flamethrower absolutely obliterated pokemon, especially fluttermanes

[candid dagger]

How do you know how many evs you need to put into a stat because I always thought it was 252/252/6

[smoky hawk]

You do damage calcs to figure that out

If you want bulk, that is

[charred saddle]

calc it :kekwcry:

[echo portal]

Would smeargle be a better shell smash baton passer than polteageist

[woven shard]

I don't know what to run for blueberry prologue, any teams I should be keeping my eye on as popular?

Duraludon and Raging Bolt seem to fit the bill

[bold geode]

When is that anyways

[woven shard]

Archaludon*

Starts Thurs iirc

[bold geode]

Ah
Haven't even begun to look at anything for that lol

Is Kingambit in Blueberry dex?

But Terapagos will be everywhere of course so

[knotty mirage]

Gambit is not on blueberry dex i think

[mighty stump]

Its just Terapagos spam

I'm very uninterested lmao

Theres no good rewards so im not gonna compete

[smoky hawk]

Terapagos should've been banned. It sounds like it'll be the meta of the primals

That's actually when I first got into competitive and it was an awful first impression

[near crag]

Is water still the best Tera type for urshifu, even with bolt everywhere?

[bold geode]

Clout

[mighty stump]

Defensive teras are fine, damage just sometimes can be lacking

[charred saddle]

whats the reward for joining the prologue?

[woven shard]

10,000 LP

Any Terapagos counters?

[plush magnet]

You encountered Terapagos? I havent seen a single Terapagos team so far

[mighty stump]

Because theyre talking about the Prologue

[unkempt flax]

Yo tofu

Araquanid? What’s your opinion on it

[mighty stump]

Garbage

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/de09ea2f00b5edac thoughts on a 6th?

[unkempt flax]

Why do you say that?

[molten oasis]

Cuz it is

I think it does it’s 1 niche of water damage well

And that’s it

[mighty stump]

Doesn't even OHKO standard Incin with a neutral Liquidation

If you're going to invest so much resources in enabling something like that

Why not run something better

and invest the same amount of resources

[unkempt flax]

Are we talking about the 252hp 100 def spread?

[mighty stump]

Urshifu resist? Primarina is right there with spread damage and better overall pressure

-1 252+ Atk Mystic Water Water Bubble Araquanid Liquidation vs. 236 HP / 156+ Def Incineroar: 144-170 (72 - 85%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

thats the lower end of some Incin bulks

[unkempt flax]

I thought people where running 252hp 100def and 156+ spD

[mighty stump]

I mean if they wanna die to Urshifu, so easily then sure

I don't

I like being able to Knock Off a Scarf or Mystic Water

Or commit to a slow pivot

[unkempt flax]

Oh deadass maybe I was a little to high while building araquanid lol

[mighty stump]

Idk why people are convinced about it

[unkempt flax]

Because I’ve been putting clear amulet and one shorting stuff

[mighty stump]

What do you do when something resists Water comes along

[unkempt flax]

Shooting

[mighty stump]

Clear Amulet also failed to OHKO mine so

Then you stare at an Amoonguss and start crying

[unkempt flax]

I had to be on some shit lol. Because I feel like I just got schooled

[plush magnet]

https://pokepast.es/6af5248270379332 any thoughts on improving?

[mighty stump]

Sure if you Tera + Rain Dance you get damage multipliers going right

But again

If you're investing that much

Into something like that

Whats wrong with an actually good mon

[unkempt flax]

Like I mean for me, I’ve been running Farigiraf with Araquanid, and been doing work a lot of games

[unkempt flax]

I’ve been seeing tweets about that, and I find it funny, people justifying a mob after giving it a Omni boost in power

Mon*

[scarlet otter]

Why is Flutter bulky?

It's often seen as a hard hitter instead

Like a Glass Cannon

I've ran Bulky Flutter and had no results

Prefer to run 252 Sp.A and 252 Speed

[plush magnet]

Yes, but now she can outlive some damage and the special damage is good anyways, especially with Incineroar helping hand fairy tera dazzling gleam

[scarlet otter]

Can you give calcs?

[plush magnet]

I dont think i have calcs, but she outlives Urshifu surging strike

[mighty stump]

252/252 Flutter only flies on Sash otherwise you just explode to Sucker from Chien

At baseline things tend to run 76/140 to live Icicle Crash

[scarlet otter]

76/140 what?

[molten oasis]

76 hp 140 def

[plush magnet]

76 hp 140 def

I dont usually use Glass Cannon stats anyway, i prefer to have it some bulk

[scarlet otter]

Is this a good spread for FM then?
Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 76 HP / 140 Def / 40 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball
• Dazzling Gleam
• Icy Wind

[plush magnet]

60 SPA in fluttermane is enough for me

[scarlet otter]

Or should I revert back to my old one

[mighty stump]

Wasting 4 EVs, but otherwise it's fine

I wouldn;'t be running Icy Wind on a Specs set thouguh

[scarlet otter]

Is this better?
Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 28 HP / 212 Def / 132 SpA / 4 SpD / 132 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball
• Dazzling Gleam
• Icy Wind

[plush magnet]

it can be sometimes good, like you use icy wind, then switch out, if you have support mon like amoongus or incineroar on the field

[scarlet otter]

What do you recommend then

[mighty stump]

If it's specs id rather be dealing damage

[scarlet otter]

What do you recommend then? Power Gem?

[mighty stump]

Gem/Tbolt

[scarlet otter]

I'm revisiting my spreadsheet and doing calcs

Then taking them to a google sheet

So they are easier to preserve and share

[ionic shell]

yeah this is nasty

im playing at a local tournament this weekend idk if I should stick to whim ww sun team

what was your answer to trick room teams

[smoky hawk]

That was a big concern using my team going into the event but if it was farigaraf, I just killed it turn 1. If indeedee and arma I led incin and whims and I switched in chien-pao, so double immunity to psychic. Incin snarled over and over

[unkempt flax]

Anyone got a bulky ogerpon well spring spread I can look into

[mighty stump]

Brady has a couple

https://x.com/vgccorner/status/1743158953763054052?s=20

Theres an older one if you keep scrolling which im not going to do

[lusty mountain]

What's the best item for meowsarada?

Jolly nature with max iv in speed and attack

[pseudo zinc]

What moves you running

[mighty stump]

Sash, Band

Scarf, if need be

[lusty mountain]

Flower trick, U trun, knock off, and triple axel with Stellar Tera

[pseudo zinc]

What is the speed stat?

[lusty mountain]

I can double check

[unkempt flax]

Bruh just as I thought I was cooking up a fast support mob

He did it first lol. I did 252hp 188speed jolly

Thought I was cooking. I was not

But yeah aren’t like the majority of ogerpons well springs bulky and slow?

[lusty mountain]

319 with jolly buffing it

It's only at level 84 tho

[pseudo zinc]

Are you singles or vgc

[lusty mountain]

Singles

[pseudo zinc]

I’m a vgc so take my answer with a pinch of salt but I would say sash

[ionic shell]

can I see ur comp

might adjust mine and do some play test

[median sparrow]

what tera is incin usually running these days?

[mighty stump]

It kinda depends, his older one was slower

[mighty stump]

Grass, Poison. Water/Dragon also works

[lusty mountain]

I been seeing a lot in my matches

[pseudo zinc]

Thought on this team. Want to use it in bb prologue, not sure on the teras to run tho https://pokepast.es/349b51f5c94d3793

[lusty mountain]

Ghost too for fighting types

[median sparrow]

what about whims, same story?

[mighty stump]

Whims is Ghost/Steel

[lusty mountain]

Yeah

[median sparrow]

easy

[lusty mountain]

Rilla with grass makes sense

[median sparrow]

cheers mates

[mighty stump]

Slap Terapagos on it

[pseudo zinc]

Instead of who

[mighty stump]

Rotom

0 need for Sunny Day on there

[lusty mountain]

If you wanna be funny and be really destructive...grassy seed with Sneasler

[median sparrow]

one last one, what about bolt?

[mighty stump]

Grass, Fairy, Bug

Water

[median sparrow]

bug for ground resist I am guessing

[lusty mountain]

This is also true no need for sunny if you got booster on

[mighty stump]

And to avoid a weakness to Lando-I

[lusty mountain]

If you wanna use sunny anyways I would use it for walking wake

[median sparrow]

true tera poison sludge bomb is crazy

[lusty mountain]

I can see ice spinner being a oof for rilla

Not to mention we got Weavile and Meowsarada running Triple axel now

[mighty stump]

Weavile and Meowscarada are non relevant matchups

[lusty mountain]

True but still to be safe in all matchups

[mighty stump]

Thats pointless effort though

[lusty mountain]

@pseudo zinc I can probably name a few other moves you can use for Whim tho

[mighty stump]

Theres already enough relevant matchups to account, and at least this is just Blueberry

I’m not accounting for sub 3% usage mons when you can umbrella calc

[lusty mountain]

Taunt is a good move to replace sunny

If you do end up seeing set up teams or a team with their own prankster setting up barriers, or spikes

[pseudo zinc]

Do you think trick room on Farigiraf is worth it

[dapper crag]

As long as it has it hidden ability Sap Sipper

[lusty mountain]

Yeah

[pseudo zinc]

Running armour tail

I think thunderclap rbolt will be very prevalent

[dapper crag]

I also have a pretty good trick room team that I have personally built myself

[lusty mountain]

I feel like Hatterene is a must on Trick room teams tbh

[pseudo zinc]

My thinking behind trick room was like an anti trick room turning back as most of my mons are quick

[dapper crag]

So I should swap out Oranguru then?

[tough idol]

Most Farigs I've seen do run TR, seen Fluttermane run it too

[pseudo zinc]

Well quick for trick room

What tera does rbolt run mainly

[tough idol]

Seen Electric and Water when I've matched against them

[lusty mountain]

Electric or dragon is what I seen so far

Flying could be nice to stop ground moves

[pseudo zinc]

I’ve also seen fairy which seems like one of the more tricky ones to work around and would not be a good match up for me

[lusty mountain]

But only for ground moves tho🤣

[pseudo zinc]

Could run next to Rhyperior and spam earthquake

[lusty mountain]

You also got Fari with imprison

But that would be if they got the same moves 🤔 I've only seen it once

[pseudo zinc]

Not a bad shout but would have to up speed probably

Counters trick room tho

[lusty mountain]

I would give my rilla a coverage move but wood hammer is a W move

Something like Drain punch or highhorse power

[pseudo zinc]

And in regular play could counter flutter by disabling dazzling gleam

[pseudo zinc]

Already changed wood hammer after realising I didn’t have much coverage

[lusty mountain]

Ahh okay

I think everything else looks good tho

Whims with taunt is gonna shut down so many turn 1 plays🤣

[pseudo zinc]

With all the priority a think farigiraf is going to be underrated

[pseudo zinc]

Ikr

Did you want to run some battles once the team is built

[lusty mountain]

Sure I'm down

[lusty mountain]

Ready when you are I'm working on a doubles team rn but I think what I got works

[dapper crag]

Could ‘sniper’ kingdra with focus energy, and maybe a razor claw, + good speed and whatever atk type its moves are in IVs, could that theoretically work, or is that too cliche?

[lusty mountain]

Maybe too cliche 😅

[dapper crag]

Thought it was a good idea 😭😂😭

[lusty mountain]

In showdown I had a full crit drapion if you wanna use that 🤣

It was surprisingly destroying things

I also had a fully defensive build as well and that was just even better

[dapper crag]

Nice! But I don’t do showdown (not yet) I wanna get better at building before I get my ass kicked I mean if you wanna share please do

[lusty mountain]

I felt that if you want some help I can I'm not a Wiz in Pokemon battles but I got experience

[dapper crag]

If your up for me asking a question every now and then, then I don’t mind, but ofc only if you are fine with that

[lusty mountain]

I'll be down to answer them for ya

[dapper crag]

Thank you 🙏

[gentle crag]

m1ll3rt has given 1 Gen Rep to demidgoblin

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/89bda1b2581b77d9 thoughts on this?

[nocturne holly]

Why no tw on latias

also you’re wasting evs on it, 133 hp

[lusty mountain]

Yeah I was about to say

[dapper crag]

Move: Heat Crash

The power of this move depends on (user's weight / target's weight), rounded down. Power is equal to 120 if the result is 5 or more, 100 if 4, 80 if 3, 60 if 2, and 40 if 1 or less. Damage doubles and no accuracy check is done if the target has used Minimize while active.

Type

Fire

Category

Physical

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Pokémon No. 1020: Gouging Fire

Types

Fire/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

105/115/121/65/93/91

Total

590

Weight (Low Kick BP)

590kg (120 BP)

Height

3.5m

Introduced

Generation 9

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

Brown

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[near crag]

is it worth it running a bit of bulk on shifu? Something like 44 hp, 156 atk, 4 def, 140 sp def, 164 spe, or always full atk, full spe?

[nocturne holly]

On what?

[near crag]

Urshifu

[tall moon]

Yes absolutely

Run bulk, I just one shotted an urshifu water on ladder with my support whimsicott

[dapper crag]

So question, do you think my build would work?
Toucannon
@ Life Orb
Adamant Nature
Ability - Skill Link
Tera Type - Rock

Moves

• Beak Blast
• Bullet Seed
• Rock Blast
• Brick Break / Swords Dance
  EV’s - 252 ATK, 4 SpDef, 252 SPD

[dull ibex]

vc? anyone

[lusty mountain]

I'm down in a few

[molten oasis]

ill fix that

and i dont have tw cuz what am i really getting out of it? i have prio with rilla, gouging fire and lando have boosts, and i have icy wind on it

and what are gambit and primarina getting out of tw?

[nocturne holly]

gambit and prima can both work on tw

they’re flexible like that

[molten oasis]

Not really

They only hit the 140-160s in speed which is kinda slow

[nocturne holly]

in tw

[molten oasis]

For tailwind

[nocturne holly]

with 28 spe prima outspeeds base 100s

[molten oasis]

…

How relevant is that when the things outspeeding it are things like rillaboom

[nocturne holly]

From tofus blog btw

[molten oasis]

Which I get to outspeed with an icy wind

[nocturne holly]

grassy glide outspeeds everything

[molten oasis]

My Prima lives that

[nocturne holly]

dual speed control is nice too

anyways run what you want, it’s your team

[lusty mountain]

Superior leaf storm?

You might see it in some doubles with something to help support it

That does sound crazy tho lower Serperior stats but they get buff instead and I'm start going crazy in doubles

[ember linden]

That isn’t really a relevant calc

Sure on paper the contrary strat is insane but it isn’t good to the extent that you should calc for it

[nocturne holly]

fr

[dapper crag]

Hello, I'd like to know if anyone with free time and knowledge on competitive comps could help me form a team? Just dm me, I can provide a payment in shinies since I hunt them (and if that's allowed, lmk if it isn't)

[molten oasis]

Not relevant enough

plus I’m pretty sure Prima takes that

[lusty mountain]

After the sp atk boost too??

[lusty mountain]

I don't use it just a thought?

[molten oasis]

Not after lol

[lusty mountain]

I was about to say Prima is Tanky🤣

[ember linden]

I was just saying it’s fine

[ember linden]

You don’t have to pay anyone in any way shape or form just ask and you shall receive

[dapper crag]

Thank you for the kindness 🥹. Can I dm you?

[gentle crag]

dex4nde has given 1 Gen Rep to vikxk

[ember linden]

Fs

You can also just put it here, that is what this channel is for anyway

[dapper crag]

I know, but it's probably gonna be a whole big dialogue and I didn't want to fill the chat at all, I'm kind of shy and self conscious about those things

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/ec462b5a5076842e i like this but is their anything that would be good too change

[warped mason]

My 1st master ball tier

[ember linden]

W

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 470: Leafeon

Type

Grass

Abilities

Leaf Guard, Chlorophyll (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/110/130/60/65/95

Total

525

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[zenith jungle]

https://pokepast.es/603f3f6b859a1d0e
When would I use rilla?

Since I also have ogerpon

[warped mason]

You probably want to bring it into psy spam

[zenith jungle]

Would the grassy terrain override psychic terrain? Or should I just bring it in the back and switch it in

[warped mason]

You would probably switch it in

[zenith jungle]

Are there any other uses for it?

[warped mason]

Its decent into urshifu

I think grassy glide 2 shots iirc

[charred saddle]

grassy glide prio is nice

[zenith jungle]

Nice

[charred saddle]

and i think like 252+ grass tera miracle seed glide ohko?

[zenith jungle]

Those are not my specs

[charred saddle]

i never did that calc tho

[zenith jungle]

So I just bring rilla for psyspam and urshifu?

[charred saddle]

yeah just if ur wondering haha, FO pressure also

and it can learn Horsepower or u turn for pivoting

252+ Atk Tera Grass Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike in Grassy Terrain: 180-212 (102.8 - 121.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[warped mason]

If you see a team where you can easily fake out nasty plot, you'd probably want to bring it there too.

[zenith jungle]

👍

[warped mason]

Just hit master ball with this hyper offensive psy spam team. https://pokepast.es/63c44ae8d2dfe12d. Landorus I definitely the mvp after Iron crown/indeedee.

[charred saddle]

what does 92 sp def 20 hp urshifu calced for

[warped mason]

I think its something related to flutter. Can't recall.

[smoky hawk]

https://pokepast.es/5347444c5f5a5416

[warped mason]

132 spa flutter specs moonblast guaranteed 2hko (84.3-99.4%)

252 Iron bundle freeze dry
6.3 % chance to Ohko

[broken swan]

Can anyone tell me which Pokemon can replace Tornadus and Landorus?

[civic wedge]

can specs sylveon be paired with chi-yu for beads of ruin? idk coz im very new to competitive

[charred saddle]

depends on what niche u want to be filled with, like prankster tailwind? theres like whimsicott, and it can also do sunny day, with an add of encore.

illumise volbeat can do tailwind prankster too, but if ur asking to be filled with the spread flying i wouldnt know any other,

pelipper can do it to, with the add of drizzle and tailwind, but no prankster. + wide guard support

and for landorus, i have no clue

it has very high sp atk, and sheer force pushed it even further. so for ground special attacker i wouldnt know any other

[charred saddle]

id say its too slow to play together with chiyu, and sylveon can be faked out.

usually people opted for flutter + chiyu, since flutter is very speedy and cant be faked out, and chiyu brings ghost tera for Fake outs too.

no fake outs on both mon, and heatwave + dazzling, or snarl + dazzling for like psyspams are nice

[civic wedge]

im tryna make a sylveon team, what do u suggest?

[charred saddle]

i cant suggest you outside of most meta, since im not that experienced on teambuildings

[civic wedge]

ah alr

[charred saddle]

in a hindsight, its slow, and so TR teams are most likely the answer but then again, theres a lot better TR abuser like hatterene, that fills the same fairy typings

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 700: Sylveon

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Cute Charm, Pixilate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/65/65/110/130/60

Total

525

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[civic wedge]

ill just post my set to see if i can get suggestions for anything

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 858: Hatterene

Types

Psychic/Fairy

Abilities

Healer, Anticipation, Magic Bounce (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

57/90/95/136/103/29

Total

510

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[civic wedge]

tru

[charred saddle]

i mean sylveon is pretty bulky so, but idk how to play around that

[civic wedge]

this is what i have so far, i might change timid to modest and i might change tera blast to shadow ball and start running fairy tera over fire

timid outspeeds 252 speed incineroar in case someone tries gimmick hehehaw

[broken swan]

team for inceneroar, tornadus with tailiwind and rain dance and landorus with substitute

[charred saddle]

i wouldnt say landorus cant be changed with other mon, like i said, it has a very high special atk stat, and sheer force pushes it even further. no other special ground type does that

torn there can maybe be changed by whimsi but

the only difference with them are, whimsi is faster, so it technically can encore lock tornadus.

especially since most whimsi runs max max special atk speed with sash

torn in the other hand, can run a more bulkier set, + rocky helmet

[broken swan]

tks man, I didn't want to buy Arceus legends just to have these legends hahaha

[charred saddle]

i mean you can always trade them

like find a reputable trader, or from pogo

go stamps are one of the eays you can check its legitimacy, and lots of people have done the raids so

[charred saddle]

oh btw,

if you play pogo, or can contact a refular pogo player you can easily get them from the raids

torn starts tomorrow

[near crag]

is there any other item that boosts speed, except choice scarf? As of what I've seen, vileploom is the best after you user (50 spe), and I'm going for a sun team, with torkoal, so Idk if is there a better option

btw I know cinccino is faster, but pollen puff, stab solar beam, and sleep powder will come in handy on my team

[nocturne holly]

I deleted that game : (

its really p2w

raids atleast

[supple ether]

Lilligant

[charred saddle]

i mean yeah, if u are a working individual, i have no problem spending some monies a bit tho haha

[supple ether]

Chlorophyll doubles speed under sun

[charred saddle]

252 speed liligant hits 314 speed

after you support + sleep poweder is so bery strong

[near crag]

I'm doing it for the prologue

[charred saddle]

ohh, then venusaur is also good

[near crag]

lilligant isn't on the dex

[supple ether]

What? Ew

Liligant supremacy

[charred saddle]

venusaur does have chlorophyl too

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 3: Venusaur

Types

Grass/Poison

Abilities

Overgrow, Chlorophyll (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/82/83/100/100/80

Total

525

Other Formes

Venusaur-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[charred saddle]

there you go, it hits 200 ish speed

with speed investment

[near crag]

I am wondering if I run venu or charizard as a hyper offensive option on the sun

which one should I pick?

[charred saddle]

whos ur sun setter(?)

[near crag]

torkoal

[charred saddle]

i mean i like venu more

it helps with some matchup typings and like spore supports, and grass typing means u dont get ragepowdered or spores

i might be biased but ye, damage wise charizard does more under sun, heatwave + solar power

but its wuite slow itself, so you might need choice scarf or some other sort of speed control, or else its quite frail

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 6: Charizard

Types

Fire/Flying

Abilities

Blaze, Solar Power (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

78/84/78/109/85/100

Total

534

Other Formes

Charizard-Mega-X, Charizard-Mega-Y

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[near crag]

yeah, I scarfed it

[charred saddle]

nvm its speedier than i thought haha

i thought its 90

[near crag]

so charizard fits better? The whole team now is torkoal, charizard, smaeargle, wake, bolt, and terapagos. should I drop any of those for venu?

[elder root]

Hey guys! Was wondering if I could get some fresh eyes on my team and advice for a sixth monster

https://pokepast.es/c21866fa759279f0

[near crag]

I'd recomend whimsi or torn instead of roaring moon, and as a sixth, urshifu or raging bolt are good

It's really simmilar to my main team btw: https://pokepast.es/b39cd29e694ab589

[elder root]

Roaring moon has a specific purpose. Lure intimidates to give ogerpon the defiant boost so she can sweep

I've been getting eaten alive by chi yu and need #6 to beat it and flutter

[bold geode]

Tf we doing in here

I'm not here mentally
But I'm here

[elder root]

Help me not lost to chiyu plz

[bold geode]

Roaring Moon ain't all that rn
Chien Pao could probably lure Intimidates as well lol

[near crag]

You don't really need to lure intimidate now

[bold geode]

Also Urshifu just handles Chi Yu nicely and Gholdengo with tera should work too

And luring Intimidate ain't even all that

[near crag]

that's what I was abt to say

[bold geode]

Also I haven't seen much Chi Flutter rn tf

[charred saddle]

oh yeah true

[near crag]

also, 50% of teams rely on intimidate, fake out, parting shot, intimidate, again

[charred saddle]

not much chi flutter

[bold geode]

Yeah but that's no reason to lure it in lmao

Defiant's just there for that scenario, you don't want them to do so

It's just like "I know they're gonna do lead this, so I use Defiant"
That's usually main cause

[near crag]

that's my point

you won't lure it, bc you can't not face it

[bold geode]

Me reading rn

[tired atlas]

Me studying for a test at 2 AM be like:

[bold geode]

Me AF

[orchid falcon]

So me and sm freinds made a little game where you pick a legendary and build a team around it with other pokemon that share its type. We took some votes to pick which legends got banned or not, it was pretty crazy. I just wanted to see if any of you think anything should be changed

[tired atlas]

Is this for Singles? Given the tiering it feels like it is, and I'm only really experienced in VGC, so I can't help much there.

[orchid falcon]

We are planning to do both singles and doubles but we are starting with singles

This is also the pre meta chart so we are gonna be moving around sm mons depending on usage and overall power

[supple ether]

Drago being allowed but palkia not feels like a tragedy (im vgc also, so not sure if palkia does wacky stuff in singles)

[molten oasis]

You let calyrex be legal but not zacian?

Oh it’s just their base forms lol

[orchid falcon]

was just gonna say ye

[molten oasis]

I was like “no way you let shadow rider be legal and not let zacian or kyogre in” lol

[orchid falcon]

we just voted thats why i posted here too

[nocturne holly]

fr

it’s ungodly how close people have to be to screens

[next stump]

Global challenge dates can be pretty safely inferred from this announcement

[bold geode]

That was Joe Ugartes during Portland
Legit like a 6yo watching TV lmao
He did it in like at least 2 streamed matches

[smoky hawk]

I was remarking during the match that Joe must be cold-blooded

He always has on like 4 layers

[supple ether]

So if Im managing a pretty even 50/50 WL ratio, is that likely a team building issue or a skill issue? When I got to MB last season I had a 60/40ish WL ratio. Oftentimes winning winning 2-3 games in a row and losing 1-2.

Idk if I should spend more time on teambuilder or on practice battles

[next stump]

It could easily be either, or both

We can’t really know without seeing the team and seeing you battle with it