competitive_discussion

[tired sage]

tera ghost whimsy….
then fake outs can’t break sash, or run protect on whimsy instead

[placid thorn]

The vgc community is nice

[nocturne holly]

fr

[placid thorn]

And everyone will be happy to give you a hand

[sudden geyser]

hope i dont end up spamming too much haha

[placid thorn]

Someone might get funny if you land a crit but nothing crazy🤣

[tired sage]

some take it really badly some don’t

[placid thorn]

All good just make sure you also do your homework with vgc content, resources et

[placid thorn]

Yea some people go nuts

[sudden geyser]

i check limitless, pikalytics and victory road mainly while also watching channels like moxie boosted, wolfe and cybertron

those are my main avenues of vgc info

[placid thorn]

But nothing like league of legends or other communities

[placid thorn]

I also recommend neilvgc

[tired sage]

i’ve had 3 10% freeze chances freeze me and i wanted to cry…

but i ended up winning the set so…
what can i say

[placid thorn]

It gets rough

Yesterday i lost a game 3 due to a crit

It hurts in high ladder

But gg it's the game we play

[tired sage]

casually gets frozen 3 times by ice beam

[placid thorn]

That's bad

[tired sage]

nahhh, scald on wake came in clutch

or rather they scalded me…

[sudden geyser]

ah knew that name rang a bell, I also watch him

[crimson sonnet]

I've been having decent success with this in singles, wondering if folks have rec on what to add/replace for more stability? https://pokepast.es/adf26d6061f87e06

[dapper crag]

Thoughts on this? Im very new to vgc and competitive battles as a whole and im looking to improve this team if I can

[raw berry]

I'm pretty sure Terapagos is banned

[supple ether]

Terapagos isnt in reg F i dont think yeah

[dapper crag]

Oh

[supple ether]

I reccomend using pokemon showdown's team builder to make sure the mons are legal

Serebii also has a list

[raw berry]

And maybe swap Bulldoze on Entei

[dapper crag]

For what?

[raw berry]

Idk

I just feel like bulldoze isn't a good move for him

Try stomping tantrum/sacred fire maybe

[dapper crag]

K

[tired sage]

tantrum, and flare blitz for sacred

[dapper crag]

Thats what I originaly had?

[tired sage]

i meant sacred for blitz

[dapper crag]

K

[tired sage]

pao wants sash, maybe band or AV entei and run snarl instead of protect

tera electric on cress holding helmet, (unsure about double team but…)
Latios might want LOrb

[dawn crown]

is the bb prologuee open sheet

[dapper crag]

Av?

[tired sage]

assault vest

[dapper crag]

Ohh

[tired sage]

since pagos isn’t in reg F

[dapper crag]

Yeah

[shell sandal]

what tera type for annihilape? does tera ice work

[elder root]

Fire prevents burn on annihilape

[shell sandal]

do you know what are some of the better vgc pokemon that are hard to get so I can start trying to find them before I build

[elder root]

Legends are a great place to start. Especially the ruinous and dlc legends

[shell sandal]

alr also is galarian slowking with regenerator useful at all

[elder root]

My vote is no but chilly reception would be really cool to make work

[shell sandal]

rather use glowking then tho

[sudden geyser]

if you have the scarlet dlc, dynamax raids cover for a lot of legendaries that arent in scarlet and you get an extra kubfu to have both forms so sword+dlc is great aswell

[shell sandal]

ooooh i dont got sword or shield

[next stump]

check pikalytics for the doubles pokémon usage stats and prioritize getting the popular ones

[sudden geyser]

i asked a friend to lend me his copy and i bought the dlc for 20$ on my nintendo acc and in 10-15ish hours of playtime i cleared all main story, first part of dlc and a good chunk of dynamax raids

and later i learned that i could completely skip main story and jump into the dlc fairly quickly, if you end up using sword, you can send your starter to home, send it to scarlet, raise him to 100 and then send back. It ll obey you since the sword trainer is the original trainer

[dapper crag]

Whats a decent tera type for iron hands?

[next stump]

water, grass, or fire usually

[dapper crag]

Thanks

[next stump]

probably stray away from fire right now with all the landorus

[tired sage]

grass prop isn’t a good idea either since a lot of landorus run sludge bomb as well…

although it’s prop better than fire

[dapper crag]

Might go with grass since im immune to spore and sleep powder

Oh

[jovial storm]

So what’s Reg F looking like?

I can see stats on Pikanalytics, but I am curious to what everyone here is seeing.

[craggy swan]

Fun

[jovial storm]

Can’t tell what that means.

But I only have a week until I return to work so I need to reach Master Rank beforehand this time round.

[craggy swan]

lots of walking wake teams

or just paradox teams to put it simple

[dawn crown]

Sun is everywhere

[shell sandal]

walking wake in vgc is wild

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/45df80f9c806ffb7 thoughts?

[tight glacier]

guys whats the difference between E and F, whats been added

[willow vault]

Pokémon from the second part of the dlc are now legal

[polar pike]

This a good lando build?

[raw berry]

Ye

Any improvements I could make to this team? https://pokepast.es/80cd224dbe305ece

[dapper crag]

Urshifu [Fighting/Dark]

Immune

Psychic

Resists (0.25x)

Dark

Resists (0.5x)

Ghost, Rock

Neutral damage

Bug, Dragon, Electric, Fire, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Flying

Weak (4x)

Fairy

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike [Fighting/Water]

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Fire, Ice, Rock, Steel, Water

Neutral damage

Dragon, Fighting, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Poison, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Electric, Fairy, Flying, Grass, Psychic

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[onyx crown]

Alright. I just evolved my shiny Applin into a Hydrapple, never used one before, what am I doing for EV/IV spread and moveset

I'm keeping Fickle Beam, btw. I like gambling

[echo seal]

can i get some help with competitive pls? i made a vc with screen share

[near crag]

Hi! I'm working on this team for a while now, any thoughts? https://pokepast.es/113b2ae7ed945d71

My main concerns are the EVs, the viablility of gholdengo, and the raging bolt's tera type

thanks in advance!

[tough idol]

Current team doing OK, need to make a paste

[dapper crag]

Whats the best tailwind setter besides tornadus?

[crude pollen]

Whimsi

[amber patrol]

It would be very funny if I ran Sylveon on a trick room team

[near crag]

what are good teras for raging bolt and iron crown?

[smoky hawk]

Most of the Indigo Disk dlc pokemon

[craggy swan]

@echo seal mic died I can help you some other time

[smoky hawk]

For a fairy type, I'd recommend enamorus-T

Hopefully you played Legends Arceus

[amber patrol]

Pink turd in a cloud, never

[smoky hawk]

Suit yourself

[amber patrol]

[smoky hawk]

New to it?

[azure ether]

I tried the Raging Bolt team that was featured by CybertronVGC

it kinda felt like Rinya Sun

is there a reason why Bolt would prefer tera Water over tera Grass tho?

[tough idol]

https://pokepast.es/3a58c1a69a3a4600

Not sure on Dnites spot atm, barely used it

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/9f74ab259b63deb6 thoughts on team? i just really wanna use gholdengo and smeargle

[fallen garden]

water resists its ice weakness, I suppose. But not against freeze dry

[timber falcon]

water has less weaknesses in total. so its good for bulky mons

[azure ether]

ah right Ice. I was more concerned of Spore immunity but fair point

[rose tusk]

Is porygon 2 better as a tank?

252 hp and defense

I'm doing singles though

[timber falcon]

tbh with the ability analytic, you can invest 252 into hp, 252 into sp atck and eviolite

tri attack will hit very very hard

[rose tusk]

Ah alright thanks for the idea

[gentle crag]

chingguskhan has given 1 Gen Rep to otot8953

[fallen garden]

man I wanna do the bb prologue but I have no idea what to build around

[real pewter]

I need a trick room set for archaluadon anyone got one?

[fallen garden]

so much new, but I don't even have a baseline for what's good

[elder root]

Sunny day on incineroar- am I dumb?

[polar pike]

why is 252/252/4 used when the max is 510? I feel like im missing something

[proper sail]

Hey I’m new to VGC and was hoping to get opinions on a 6th mon for this team and suggestions for the team overall.
https://pokepast.es/533ba62cf15eeecd

[fallen garden]

Either the max is actually 508, or the last 2 evs don't affect the calculation

[polar pike]

ohh right only every 4 evs affects it

[fallen garden]

it takes 4 evs to raise a stat by 1, then 8 to raise it for every 1 after that

[polar pike]

thanks

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/45df80f9c806ffb7 how do we feel about bolt over gambit on this? I don’t feel like I can make good switches, I don’t feel the pivot power lol

[tough idol]

Archaludon doing me in lol

Haven't beaten one yet

[fallen garden]

kinda wanna run arch in the bb prologue, but no good rain setters

[tough idol]

FINALLY BEAT ONE

[nocturne holly]

Whimsicott?

[dapper crag]

[Latest Gen] Whimsicott

Rain Dance:

• Whimsicott does not learn Rain Dance in Generation 9

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[fallen garden]

i know 😦

[nocturne holly]

Oh it doesn’t what?

[tough idol]

Encore it into Breaking Swipe against my Whim lol

[nocturne holly]

it learns sunny day but not rain dance?

[dapper crag]

[Latest Gen] Whimsicott

Sunny Day:

• As Whimsicott from a TM, HM or TR
• As Whimsicott by level up (1)
• As Cottonee from a TM, HM or TR
• As Cottonee by level up (39)

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[fallen garden]

Crazy, I know

[nocturne holly]

that’s fucking WEIRD

[fallen garden]

I wanted to go for a Araquanid Rain combo

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-clones-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-gif-21609842

I can’t resist doing this it just works lmao

[fallen garden]

you're not wrong lol

[molten oasis]

Anyway yea not sure what you can do without rain

[fallen garden]

just crazy to see how sun-skewed the BB prologue mons are

[nocturne holly]

SHUT UP ARENT YOU USING ARCHSLUDON TOO

(joke)

[molten oasis]

Snow Archa not Rain Archa

[nocturne holly]

🐸

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[knotty briar]

Welp finally locked in my team for the blueberry prologue

[molten oasis]

When does that start?

[nocturne holly]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-emoji-avalon-play-avalon-gif-24241051

[fallen garden]

Prankster sun, torkoal, protosynthesis mons...
meanwhile e-terrain and rain are strugglin

[nocturne holly]

you af

[molten oasis]

Real, anyway

[nocturne holly]

is wake legal

[fallen garden]

yeah

[nocturne holly]

and the other paradox legends

[knotty briar]

Yes unfortunately

[molten oasis]

Yea, well that’ll change as soon as miraidon and kyogre are legal

[nocturne holly]

what about the legends that can be caught in blueberry academy

[molten oasis]

Id assume not

[fallen garden]

There are some decent rain mons in Reg F, but I'm talking BB prologue specific

[knotty briar]

The 11th

[molten oasis]

Mk

[fallen garden]

I would run a-tales for snow weather, but Torkoal is slower, prankster sun happens after switch-in, etc

and ofc a-tales is weak to the fire-types that thrive in sun

[molten oasis]

Snow would be so good in the prologue

as torn isn’t ruining its life

[fallen garden]

but I imagine there will be a lot of sun teams

[knotty briar]

This is the team I'm going with

[fallen garden]

i guess i could bring terapagos and just not do weather

or rain dance hitmontop

[knotty briar]

Ah shit I never changed rillaboom's tera...

I guess tera grass is decent for it...

[molten oasis]

Oh shit terapagos is legal

[fallen garden]

for bb prologue yeah

[molten oasis]

Noted

[knotty briar]

I was about to run porygon-z when I remembered turtle was allowed

[molten oasis]

I’m probably running hydrapple

If I decide to do it

[knotty briar]

Do a contrary skill swap with hydrapple and malamar

In trick room

[molten oasis]

Fuck no

[fallen garden]

I saw someone running a dragon cheer lapras + sniper kingdra

[dapper crag]

Do you win anything from the bb prolouge?

[molten oasis]

Sorry I will use hydrspple in a way that isn’t gimmicky

[knotty briar]

Yeah friendly reminder that malamar gets skill swap now

[molten oasis]

That is gimmicky asf

[fallen garden]

it's a little nutty that terapagos's ability activates whenever its health is full, so people are running it with leftovers and grassy terrain

[molten oasis]

Eww

Well it’s multiscale

[dapper crag]

Here's my team with a few adjustments, is there anything I could improve?

Not sure if I should still run tailwind on Latios since I have Tornadus now

[molten oasis]

Pollen puff over giga drain on amoonguss

And also sitrus berry

[nocturne holly]

And regenerator

[dapper crag]

Ok

[molten oasis]

Replace uturn on torn for taunt

Otherwise good team

[dapper crag]

Should I not change tailwind?

[nocturne holly]

Tornadus should be prankster

[dapper crag]

Latios's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Bulldoze, Cut, Dive, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dual Wingbeat, Earthquake, Facade, Flip Turn, Fly, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Last Resort, Liquidation, Natural Gift, Outrage, Psycho Cut, Retaliate, Return, Scale Shot, Secret Power, Shadow Claw, Steel Wing, Take Down, Waterfall, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Aura Sphere, Charge Beam, Chilling Water, Confusion, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Dream Eater, Energy Ball, Future Sight, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Luster Purge, Mud-Slap, Mystical Fire, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Psyshock, Psywave, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Tri Attack, Twister, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Attract, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Captivate, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Flash, Heal Block, Heal Pulse, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Memento, Mimic, Power Split, Protect, Psych Up, Psycho Shift, Rain Dance, Recover, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Roar, Roost, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Simple Beam, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tailwind, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Latios.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

You could slot in Draco or ice beam instead of tailwind

[dapper crag]

Draco meteor already there

I could go Ice beam for coverage

[fallen garden]

is it worth positioning sun around terapagos, or is it better to just not do sun in the terapagos format

[molten oasis]

Oh then dragon pulse or ice beam

Tera ghost on chien pao

[dapper crag]

K

[molten oasis]

Tera poison on Latios

It’s a way to wall out lando i

[dapper crag]

True

[molten oasis]

And latios would appreciate the fsiry resist

[supple ether]

Is there ever a situation where elevtroweb gets a speed drop on neither opposing whimsicott+gouging fire?

Covert cloak for one, but for both?

[nocturne holly]

Clear amulet is probably what happened
Gouging likes CA

[supple ether]

Ohhhhh

Duh ty

[tough idol]

So many random teams on ladder

[near crag]

Any thoughts on this team? Hoping to play my first regionals with it https://pokepast.es/a818743ddee3d2d9

[tough idol]

Portland?

[near crag]

No, I´ll try to get a bit more experience with my team first, so I decided to tackle knoxville

[queen hull]

I'd like to get some thoughts on my team but it doesn't look like I can upload the image of it.

[raven sapphire]

Do you guys thing Galatians slowbro will be good in PvP?

It’s got good stats and a good ability in quick draw

[dapper crag]

Ability: Quick Draw

This Pokemon has a 30% chance to move first in its priority bracket with attacking moves.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Item: Quick Claw

Each turn, holder has a 20% chance to move first in its priority bracket.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[tough idol]

Hmmm

[timber falcon]

What a light team to fight against, surely not hyper offensive

[supple ether]

Thoughts? I can feel it's a little clunky and could be better optimized, but Ive been having a ~2-3 W/L ratio so far.

https://pokepast.es/94673897ab3b60fc

(i dont know what amogu's 4th move should be, I never click anything else outside of the first 3)

[broken grove]

Whats a good counter to Dragonite? I seem to struggle w him in Single Battle Stadium

[timber falcon]

Idk about that usrshifu set, substitute isn’t gonna work very well, and you don’t seem to have a fairy counter

Helping hand dazzling gleam might sweep

[tough idol]

Swept with Whimsicott, Goldengho and Walking Wake. Had Hogerpon in back

[timber falcon]

Whimsicott swept?

Oh wait nvm and the rest

[tough idol]

Torn let me Encore it onto Tailwind

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah I guess gholdengo resists almost al, their team

[queen hull]

I've been thinking of switching out my Grimmsnarl for Incineroar and seeing if an Indeedee or Whimsi could fit on my team. Leaning more towards Indeedee as I don't want my team getting too heavy on the fire weakness.

[supple ether]

yeah I have noticed a very large fairy weakness, but I otherwise dont have a great psyspam answer. Substitue has actually been working really well with max bulk though. Especially vs amongus

[timber falcon]

The problem with substitute is urshifu lights up like a beacon when thrown out. I’d also recommend close combat and if I were you sucker punch > wicked blow in that instance

Due to lack of speed

[supple ether]

Yeah his moveset has been giving me some trouble. I want sucker punch, but it's not uncommon for 1-2 stat drops to land and without wicked blow he's been nutered.

[supple ether]

I might try a fast, sash variant perhaps 🤔 iron head combat sucker wicked

[timber falcon]

Nah don’t invest too much into speed, it’s always great to keep that bulk

And keep protect

[supple ether]

ty will try that out

The team's fun though. Specs dragon energy ohkos even bulky bois

[timber falcon]

Yeah I like that idea

Also distracts opponents

[tough idol]

F 2 Psyspam teams in a row. Iron Crown just destroyed me

[timber falcon]

Dark type

My answer to psyspam is wide guard tbh. Always great to have to incase

[eternal loom]

Does anyone know what a good move set is for Registeel? 🤔 ✨

[fallen garden]

my convoluted answer to psyspam is to prankster misty terrain with my klefki. It's funny when it works

[bold geode]

Ok
I have had some people ask what I be cookin
https://pokepast.es/372636feb53ab508
This team is eh so I'm dropping it, feel free to take a guess at my EVs, try to do better/make the team better
Will post more times than this so ones who asked will definitely see
Have fun

[near crag]

Is terapagos good for the prologue?

[near smelt]

Are any good mons wiht lightning rod?

[agile drift]

Tbh without any boosts, primarina's damage output is a bit underwhelming in this meta

especially without rain

[timber falcon]

Anyone have calcs for bulky gholdengo?

[bold geode]

Fake Tears my friend

[molten oasis]

Sucks on whims

[bold geode]

No

[molten oasis]

Jk idk how good it is

[median folio]

Need some advice: I'm relatively new to the whole PvP scene and my friend keeps curbstomping me with the blood moon bear. Is there any Pokémon/Set up that would fair better than others against it?

[molten oasis]

Is it actually something you click enough to be more worth over beat up?

[bold geode]

It's actually something I quite liked
Picked up funny KOs
Could Earth Power Amoongus to death

Think Sludge Bomb actually did it too

[timber falcon]

Florges

[timber falcon]

Florges is a good option

[bold geode]

And the drops from Fake Tears help Primarina so I could focus on bulk
The spread actually isn't as bad as you'd think, the spread I use lived some funny shit

So did an AV Urshifu Rapid set I used

[supple ether]

Speaking of primarina, I saw her recently on a perish trap team. Flip turn to escape becomes an option

[raven sapphire]

Yo do you think Galarian slowbro will be viable for PvP?

[mighty stump]

No

[raven sapphire]

Ok

[tough idol]

30 games in using 2 different teams 7/7 with 1, 8/8 with the other lmao 🤣

[supple ether]

I just spend 2 hours working on a team, concept, matchups, everything and then it just falls apart on ladder idk how yall do this, the mental game is toruturous

I will be sticking to rentals tyvm

[tough idol]

What team and is it doubles

https://pokepast.es/4a220e4122ea69db

Is the 8/8, think I'm dropp9ng Dnite for something else after work. Having a think on it 🤔

[placid thorn]

Sometimes you gotta anylize after a few games if it's a team or a you problem

And adjust accordingly

[mighty stump]

its fun

like a puzzle

[onyx crown]

What's a fun moveset for Hydrapple that involves Fickle Beam?

[supple ether]

Quick claw, pray

[charred saddle]

u want even more rng? quick claw fissure

[mighty stump]

Fickle Beam/Energyt Ball or Giga Drain/Earth Power/Nasty Plot or Protect or Yawn

[molten oasis]

Fickle beam+giga drain/energy ball. Then you can do nasty plot/earth power/yawn and protect. On an av set you do fickle giga/eball ep and pollen puff or Draco meteor

I like life orb nasty plot but lefties yawn is also good

[mighty stump]

Another day another Thunderclap mindgame won

Betting on the fact they didnt PP up their Thunderclap was also cherry on top

[charred saddle]

what happens if u got knocked off while having weakness policy triggered

will it get knocked off first, or will WP trigger

[mighty stump]

Well it should activate

Cause Colbur Berry triggers before getting "knocked off"

So you eat the increased BP

[tough idol]

Quick Google search says it activates

[charred saddle]

oo okok

so it still triggers, but still has increased bp

[tough idol]

https://pokepast.es/4a220e4122ea69db

Any thoughts on a possible Dnite replacement

[mighty stump]

Rilla

If youre going max max like that on Flutter id rather run Sash

or Specs

[dull ibex]

Hello!

[charred saddle]

i mean, if ur gonna be doing a 4 move slot flutter better to have specs?
or get protect,

sash and icy wind is also quite nice.

can do like protect, to icy wind,

then ur sure to outspeed the next turn

[mighty stump]

Icy Wind would want Booster Speed

If youre Sash youre going 3 move Protect

[charred saddle]

and does the entei in paotei also go max max?

[tough idol]

I've got the resources to make changes lol 😆 2 save files with max vitamins and enough random crap to sell, to maybe cap them again 😂 not to mention the 420 ability patches.

Been farming hard knowing I wanted to make a push this season onwards

[mighty stump]

I wouldnt

I just updated the blog but

[charred saddle]

theres spread in the blog?

oh ok

[mighty stump]

Baca dong bang

smh

[charred saddle]

nga pantengin blog tiap hari akoawkoaw

LO entei also goes the same spread?

[mighty stump]

awkkwa

Sama

Gw pakenye LO sih

https://pokepast.es/4fd1f2b9200c8440

[charred saddle]

oh, chien always wants the jolly?

i thought pao can go adamant

[mighty stump]

It can

I like Jolly

[charred saddle]

oooh grass flutter

wait why grass

still dies to poison tera lando no

for rilla?

[mighty stump]

Just for Amoonguss but that was a first draft thing

Its purely defensive for Rilla n Urshi

[charred saddle]

oh amoonguss

oh ookok and urshi makes sense

btw tofu, u said that incin goes 188+ def to live urshifu surging adamant

252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 68 HP / 188+ Def Incineroar on a critical hit: 180-216 (100.5 - 120.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

or is it on a case where its not 252?

[mighty stump]

Well

You need nearly max HP

and Sitrus

max hp and Sitrus is for Mystic Water as well

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

BANG KEMAREN GW BIKIN AYAM GORENG SEREH

[charred saddle]

laper bang

lg pengen nasi tim

[mighty stump]

nasi tim enak bang

[charred saddle]

ayam goreng sereh itu yg biasa ada pas ulang tahun bkn sih? keluarga gw bkinnya pas ultah

[mighty stump]

tapi bukannya semua nasi di tim

[mighty stump]

Idk im whitewashed asf

I just saw it on IG and wanted to coba

[charred saddle]

itu ayam goreng sereh lmyan asin, enak bareng nasi WKKW

https://pokepast.es/afaab059b65ba5f0

any idea on the water typing?

first idea was primarine, to complete FWG and the fairy steel dragon

dozo yawn also is quite nice

or just shifu?

and yes i stole ur EVs

[mighty stump]

Prim is fine

wuaw

WP Metagross

Walled by Kingambit

💀

[charred saddle]

gets walled by quite a lot actually

[mighty stump]

oof

[charred saddle]

was thinking getting stomping but

BP and heavy slam seems nice

incin too walls meta

[mighty stump]

hm

hm

I mean

Primarina lumayan then kedengerannya

Socould be alright

Also

You can try just purely running only bulldoze

and not use Icy Wind

[charred saddle]

hmm

[mighty stump]

Since you have Protects and Rilla cares not as much

So it can double

Latias can run something else

[knotty mirage]

Is it better to give knock off or helping hand for incenroar ?

[mighty stump]

Like Recover per se

[charred saddle]

draco? oh recover

[mighty stump]

It depends

If you don't want to play Fake Out mirrors

Helping Hand

Especially paired with something like Flutter Mane

[mighty stump]

Or, Aura Sphere?

Does it not get that

[charred saddle]

oh it does

[knotty mirage]

I guess i will go for helping hand then

[charred saddle]

what does primarina usually go?
hypervoice, alluring voice protect and?

calm mind? or gleam

[mighty stump]

You can do Hyper Voice/Moonblast/Calm Mind/Protect

Something like that

Primarina also improves Kingambit/Urshiwater/Incin MUs so

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

YOURE MISSING 4 DEF

[charred saddle]

item set and EV? should i do sitrus and go more bulk or mixed of bulk and sp akt

[mighty stump]

Id go Goggles or Lefties if CM sih

bulky

[charred saddle]

bahkan naturenya aja blm jolly/adamant WWKKW

[gentle crag]

abused1 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

huh

What triggers the thanks

[charred saddle]

serious KWKWKW

[mighty stump]

wkwkw

[charred saddle]

natureNYA

[mighty stump]

not that

[mighty stump]

bahkan

[mighty stump]

aja

[charred saddle]

nya --> rep

[mighty stump]

nya

[gentle crag]

woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1

[mighty stump]

anjing

[charred saddle]

WKKAWOAWKOAWKAWOK

ada sausage --> rep jg

commercial jg klo g slh

[mighty stump]

Sausage dah tau lama sih

[charred saddle]

should i do dragon/grass/fire/fairy tera? and is there like EV spread advice

since i was thinking its a CM set, better to go for bulk and let it go slowly

[mighty stump]

I tried something

[charred saddle]

rilla scary, woodhammer always KOs it in terrain

[mighty stump]

I mean yeah

[charred saddle]

does grass resist steel? nvm it does not

[mighty stump]

You can also do Tera Poison

[charred saddle]

i mean grass seems nice if im doing lefties

for amoonguss/sinistcha

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2027635394

haha

[charred saddle]

OTS btw so ye, was AV ludon

[mighty stump]

u got jebaited by the fake out

tha was funy

[charred saddle]

the ghost tera?

oh turn 1

[mighty stump]

Turn 6 I would have just spinnered the Whimsicott

break sah

you dont care about Incin atp

[charred saddle]

hmm i was thinking i have entei late game and incin kinda is more annoying

[mighty stump]

Just in case Whimsicott had like Encore Lock or stff

[charred saddle]

the whim only had moonblast

[mighty stump]

Yeah but what if it Encore Locked you

lol

Or had Fake Tears or whatever

[charred saddle]

its tailwind sunnyday moonblast, no encore

oo ye faketears

[mighty stump]

Tailwind/HH/Moonblast it didnt show 4th

[charred saddle]

its OTS

[mighty stump]

Oh

Nevermind then

But even then

If you had Entei in the back

All ther more reason to ignore Incin

Whats it gonna do

Intim? Fake out

[charred saddle]

hmm

[mighty stump]

?

Cause Prim is already set up

It cant stay without blowing Tera or damaging

[charred saddle]

yeah that makes some sense

i was thinking like its incin and its kinda annoying with the parting shot and going back in and out reducing entei

so i wanna try get rid of it, and whim cant do anything to entei so why not

[mighty stump]

U also had lke

4 in the back

I mean tbh atp theyre in a shot position but yeah

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2027644108

any advice for this? again, somehow its OTS, and i knew its steel tera enam but i wanna get rid of it before it sweeps the whole team

[rancid matrix]

https://pokepast.es/97fad65387787306

any suggestion for this team? the team centers around armarouge (yeah, expanding force spam), but i also want to put some mons in case armarouge dies early orwhen i don't want to lead indeedee plus armarouge.

After some battles, so far i only used indeeee, armarouge, metagross, and sylveon. I rarely use the remaining 2. Just tried VGC for a little bit, so yeah i maybe put bad EV spreads on the mons.

[placid thorn]

Thing is if you play against a trick room team you're gonna be outsped under it

If you go for tailwind

[charred saddle]

and having 2 terrain user is a bit off

[placid thorn]

Your mons ain't that fast anyway

[charred saddle]

and why did ur rilla have protect

its AV

[rancid matrix]

ah my bad, i put wrong move there

[charred saddle]

why fighting tera arm

[rancid matrix]

yeah, as i said i never used, latias and rilla there

[placid thorn]

The tera choices are a bit off as well

[placid thorn]

Latias doesn't fit in that team

You usually use latias in a more balance team

You need the top hitters under tr

[charred saddle]

i mean you can use latias, but change sylv to iron crown

for fast EForce abuser

[placid thorn]

I would not run latias to be honest

[charred saddle]

and no rilla, if ur doing psychic terrain stuffs

[placid thorn]

Iron crown definetely if you wanna have a fast mode optiob

[charred saddle]

i mean latias isnt just there for tailwind, like icy wind for speed control

lando kinda threatens iron crown

so you can just do like icy wind protect

then switch in indeedee E force

not the best, but its there ig

at least on what ive thought, havent tried crown

[rancid matrix]

ah i see, thanks for the input

so if i change latias to iron crown

[mighty stump]

You have to prioritise something that beats out Kingambit + Incineroar

[rancid matrix]

what should i replace rilla with?

[charred saddle]

oh right gambit incin also is annoying to psyspams

[mighty stump]

Kingambit is going to be a mainstay, taking advantage of Defiant boosts. You don't necessarily need to run Iron Crown for Psyspam stuff.

Here, id also change Armarouge to Power Herb + Meteor Beam

[willow vault]

I would also worry about amoongus, water Tera since it normally underspeeds in trick room

[charred saddle]

what

thats a thing?

[mighty stump]

Yes?

It OHKOs standard Incin

[charred saddle]

the time i saw that was lunala stuff

holy shit

[mighty stump]

Also gives you a +1 whcih means you don't need Life Orb

[rancid matrix]

ah i see

[placid thorn]

I have and i didn't really vibe with it

[charred saddle]

thats interesting

[mighty stump]

It also means that:

• You['re not running minimum speed Armarouge since you need to outspeed Incin
• You can return to Tera Grass cuase Aura Sphere is meh anyways

[charred saddle]

weak armour

[mighty stump]

Then just fill the rest of the gaps with TR sweepers

[charred saddle]

[rancid matrix]

which TR sweepers do u recommend to put in

[charred saddle]

torkoal

[mighty stump]

Torkoal to boost Armor Cannon + Spread/Ursaluna can be an option/I've seen Power Lens Urshifus

[charred saddle]

slowest crap in VGC i think

[mighty stump]

Kingambit again, also still good

[willow vault]

Maybe Torkoal + h-lilligant as it gives you another mode. Torkoal is cracked in trick room but can also be fast with after you lilligant

[mighty stump]

Iron Hands isn;'t dead, so that's also fine to run

[charred saddle]

power lens urshifu? what

holy hell theres so much stuff i havent seen

[mighty stump]

Its the EV item that you hold to cut the speed in half

or whatever its called

Iron Ball also works

[charred saddle]

ye ye, had a friend with walking wake power lens idea

[mighty stump]

Darkshifu, not Watershifu

[charred saddle]

to sweep in TR together with torkoal

[charred saddle]

oo

[mighty stump]

Bypassing Protects in TR is huge since it removes the one method of stalling TR

[charred saddle]

ye that makes a lot of sense

[rancid matrix]

ah yeah

[mighty stump]

Aside from that, Indeedee wants max HP/Def Bold since you're already augmenting it with Psychic Seed

So just to note that

[charred saddle]

gets to 50 ish speed too damn

[mighty stump]

Sylveon is fine, you can also consider Enamorous-Therian with Specs

Since it's slower.

Also with Overcoat so you don't care about Amoonguss either.

[willow vault]

Just a warning with enamorous-t, you can only get 1 per profile in Pokémon legends arceus and if you care enough you will want min speed, so it’s about 25 hours, per reset

[rancid matrix]

so.. armarouge, indeedee, torkoal, sylveon(?), hands?

[willow vault]

I think that’s the only way to get an enamorous

[rancid matrix]

sorry i'm overwhelmend with a lot of choices

[mighty stump]

Arma/Indeedee/Torkoal/Sylveon/Hands/Hatterene also works

Hatterene over Sylveon

Or run both, who cares

Either or, itll probably work out

[charred saddle]

then it became hard trick room no

[mighty stump]

Nothing wrong with HTR lol

It's one of the easiest things to pilot to a decent degree since its linear

[willow vault]

Hard trick room can work

[rancid matrix]

torkoal held item? charcoal?

[mighty stump]

Charcoal

[willow vault]

Yeah

[charred saddle]

hmm i see

[mighty stump]

If you want standard sets you can check Pikalytics

[rancid matrix]

will try this, makasih bang

[mighty stump]

Dasar org indo juga wkkwkw

[rancid matrix]

https://pokepast.es/a0572701d1a367c5 so.. something like this?

[mighty stump]

Heat Wave over Solar Beam

don't 0 Speed the Armarouge

Hyper Beam over Shadow Ball tbh

Just in case you really need to maximise

Everything else lookks fine, Iron Hands wants Max SpDef and 4 HP, Tera either Fire/Water/Grass

[rancid matrix]

how many speed should i put on this

[mighty stump]

Armarouge
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 164 HP / 252 SpA / 92 Spe
Modest Nature

That's what ive done

Yo don't necessarily have to go that high

Theyre not investing that much speed in Incineroar anyways

Itll need to run over 116 EVs to outspeed uninvested Armar

[rancid matrix]

i see

so no 0 IV Spe?

[mighty stump]

No

Not in my opinion

[rancid matrix]

okay

gonna try this team out, makasih lagi bang

[mighty stump]

yoi

[elfin spear]

https://pokepast.es/ee6f91e23074c5f1 anyways i can improve this?

[mighty stump]

• I don't see the want in running Pult without Pao
• Electabuzz and Rhyperior just look out of place since you have 0 slowplay elements that Rhyperior can play off of + no real speed control for it either

Double Electric is also meh

Id rather run self-proc as well

2 of you're weaknesses which is what you're teraing for are x4

[charred saddle]

is thunderclap / sucker punch considered as prio move for upperhand to work?

[mighty stump]

Yep

The only moves Upper Hand doesn't work on are like Status priority

[pseudo zinc]

How do you beat after you liligant + eruption torkal

[mighty stump]

Redirect the After You

or change weathers

or just have soemthing like a Tera Grass Heatran that doesnt care about Eruptions/Sleep Powder

[pseudo zinc]

I’m also having a hard time finding synergy between the mons that I want to use https://pokepast.es/ef89ae95b53d3438 as well as these https://pokepast.es/1a94ce8eb39b713c

Also considering making a whimsicott for tailwind instead

Any suggestions for changes/ a best 6

[mighty stump]

Its cause you have sub-optimal EVs on Incin/Flutter Mane

Wellspring + Boom also have a coverage overlap

For paste 1:

• Incin and Flutter need bulk, Flutter also wants Moonblast/Protect over Tbolt/Icy Wind. You're not playing bulky disruption FM here. Incin also wants sitrus and Knock Off, with Parting Shot over U-Turn
• I'd pick either Boom or either Wellspring so you can run something like Urshifu/Wake/or even Prim/Bolt

For Paste 2:

• With that set you might asw ell use Specs Chi, which uses Tera Ghost.
• Close Combat over Brick Break, you don't care about Screens since you have Surging. Protect over U-Turn, if you want to play pivot, you need Scarf.

I have 2 Incin sets in the write-up in the pins and you can find Flutter sets on Pikalytics

[willow vault]

How do you look at pins, I never learnt

[mighty stump]

Standard bulk Flutter looks something like

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 76 HP / 140 Def / 84 SpA / 4 SpD / 204 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Moonblast
• Dazzling Gleam
• Protect

[bold void]

Click the channel names. Pins is in the middle of the options

[willow vault]

Thanks

[bold void]

No worries

[pseudo zinc]

So what would you say is the best six and should I use whimsicott

[mighty stump]

1. No true best 6, although I think Torn/Shifu/Flutter/Incin is pretty close anyways
2. Works fine

[pseudo zinc]

The pastes aren’t teams/cores that I have used they are just the random order I put them into the paste

[onyx crown]

Man, this is the one time a Kingambit has ever been useful for me.
Thanks

[gentle crag]

itsthenewguy has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[ornate hill]

Hi 👋🏾
I’m new to competitive battling but I’m interested in making a doubles fairy team with Fluttermane as my ace. Any thoughts or suggestions for getting started?

[autumn vault]

im not a ultra competitive pro but there is a lot of stuff you need to know

luck, skill, teambuilding etc.

look at the pins

[violet oar]

best spread for Lando Incarnate?

[ornate hill]

Ok thank you!

[gentle crag]

ginabina365 has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky

[next stump]

most just go 252SpA/252SPE, but you can invest more into HP and take some away from SPE if there are certain hits you want to life

live*

[shrewd scarab]

That’s where I ended last night

[autumn vault]

i ended at rank 7 aswell

[shrewd scarab]

Nice

[autumn vault]

with 9 wins 5 losses, i was testing ok

[shrewd scarab]

I was 10-1 then I lost 2 and was like yea I should take a break lol

[autumn vault]

using my gigas team

to master rank

i just want it to have the master rank ribbon

[shrewd scarab]

Nice I’m riding this sun team until master. Then I’m gonna play around alittle bit

I was master rank back in April but then I didn’t play until November so now I gotta climb again

https://pokepast.es/6aed90c082799318 this is the team I’m using

[autumn vault]

I was also master rank in reg B and C

[dapper crag]

Landorus's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Crunch, Dig, Earthquake, Explosion, Facade, Fissure, Fling, Fly, Frustration, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Outrage, Payback, Punishment, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Throw, Rock Tomb, Sand Tomb, Secret Power, Self-Destruct, Smack Down, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Superpower, Take Down, U-turn

Special Moves

Earth Power, Extrasensory, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Psychic, Round, Sandsear Storm, Scorching Sands, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Snore, Tera Blast, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Attract, Block, Bulk Up, Calm Mind, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Gravity, Imprison, Leer, Nasty Plot, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Rock Polish, Role Play, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Taunt, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Landorus.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Ground, Poison

Hits for 1x

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Electric, Fairy, Fire, Grass, Poison, Rock, Steel

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Ground, Psychic

Hits for 1x

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Electric, Fighting, Fire, Poison, Rock, Steel

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[nocturne holly]

why is sludge bomb used over psychic on lando i

[next stump]

cover for Heatrans pre and post tera, hit rillabooms, STAB once you tera, etc.

I don’t think there’s anything you’d be hitting with psychic that you can’t just hit with STAB Earth Power for similar damage

Hands you’d rather EP, Urshifu dies to EP pretty sure, brain farting on anything else weak to psychic in the format

[autumn vault]

Psychic can still do good damage on rapid but thats it on how good its for lando I

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/9643247e1569a71f thoughts?

[violet oar]

156 hp lando what checks?

[next stump]

Im a little worried that your Urshifu is low on damage

108 adamant is really low investment and you have a defensive tera

for me personally, I’d either go a defensive tera or a bulky spread

like that surging strikes probably doesn’t even KO some flutters

[autumn vault]

Also why is latias all of a sudden good? Did it gain something good? Also yes ik mist ball was buffed

[next stump]

positive matchup into landorus-i, urshifu-r, rillaboom, etc.

[summer shore]

Do rillas not run knock off in vgc

[next stump]

if your team can cover for flutter with other slots then it’s pretty good as a bulky tailwind user

no not anymore

[summer shore]

Shame

[next stump]

it’s usually fake out, double grass move, and high horsepower or protect

[summer shore]

I'm guessing protect

Figured

[zenith jungle]

I saw a video saying to go to rental teams on victory road to find a team to start out and to read the team report
Where would I find said report

[next stump]

not all rentals on there have a report, and honestly team reports are a bit of a dying breed

[zenith jungle]

I'd send a screenshot of the team to ask how to use it properly but since this is an new account (can't get into my other one), I don't have image perms yet
Can I just send a link?

[next stump]

https://youtube.com/@ck49vgc?si=-SvDAmAHvTvFO3Mj

This is the only channel I’ve seen that really does true team reports, sometimes individual players do them but I haven’t seen any in a while

Yeah if you send a link I can check it

[zenith jungle]

https://pokepast.es/4b56c7108e9d7301

Or should I just use one of ck's teams

[twilit ravine]

Guys, do you have any link to read to beginners in the competitive scenario?

[zenith jungle]

I have a video

[twilit ravine]

I tried today at casual rankeds and i got sweeped XDD

[zenith jungle]

https://youtu.be/IQpH93CkPFI?si=cgiLFyt1YSQF1Trl

[twilit ravine]

only one was full evs, but damn, was painful

[twilit ravine]

Thank youuu

[gentle crag]

barbosaldinho has given 1 Gen Rep to breadedbasil

[zenith jungle]

Np, I saved it so I can watch it lol

[next stump]

He doesn’t have any videos from the recent regulation so don’t for now

[zenith jungle]

He does

[next stump]

I don’t think I’ve seen any of the main youtube channels (Cybertron, James Baek, TalonVGC) cover these exact 6 but I could be wrong.

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/ccac71402a687ec0 thoughts on this team? Main leads are gholdengo and smeargle

Tornados and urshi for back up

Araquanid and raging incase trick room is needed

[autumn vault]

Araquanid?

[timber falcon]

Yes

It’s a semi rain team

[autumn vault]

Is there any reason its there?

If its a bad mon, might need to explain it

[timber falcon]

Wide guard, and it can one tap some mons even if not effective

[zenith jungle]

Dillon may I dm you

[timber falcon]

It’s ability 2x water moves

• rain + Tera it’s a beast

[autumn vault]

Ok thats good

Ik why imprison is there

[timber falcon]

Yeah to stop spore, follow me and tr

Whilst using them

[next stump]

That team is pretty straight forward though:

• You have the Fire/Water/Grass core that covers very well for eachother offensively and defensively. They can switch into each other’s hits well and also hit opponents that the others can’t hit.

• Double Fake Out is great for repositioning your Pokemon and getting off free hits or stalling turns of tailwind/trick room for your opponent

• Specs Flutter Mane is just a tactical nuke that if positioned properly (usually under Tailwind) can do massive damage. Paired with Incineroar’s Intimidate, that spread can definitely live a hit or two

• Raging Bolt is mainly there to be your opposing Urshifu-R answer, especially if they’re scarfed. I think you want to bring it into games where Thunderclap looks solid and you can resist a lot of their hits (Rillaboom, Incineroar, Urshifu-R, etc.)

[next stump]

sure

[autumn vault]

Ok you were cooking stuff in the kitchen

[timber falcon]

Indeed I was, played less than 10 games with this team and elo only increasing

The funny thing is smeargle and gholdengo are forced in. Only cause I wanna utilise them lmao

[autumn vault]

Might remake my weezing gigas team with rillaboom

Might replace entei wih rilla

[charred saddle]

if its nasty plot gholdengo, why not leftovers or LO?

[bold geode]

Shamed Shiro

[charred saddle]

🐒

[bold geode]

Morning piss poop guy

[timber falcon]

I feel like iron plate really lets the make it rain set in, not only boosting it whilst Tera is out, but with the extra stab. Sweeps like a mop

[bold geode]

Life Orb does the same thing essentially

[timber falcon]

You make a really good point I forgot about that item lmao

[bold geode]

But it boosts more than just MiR too so

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2027823213-criftlgmmpjeq6y5si514qi1qbpgg0tpw
Quick showcase of urshifu opening

Smeargle clutch once again

[charred saddle]

uhh. good night 🐒

[bold geode]

Oh I forgot you're Chindo

And be ahead of me

Tell me the future
What's the future like

[charred saddle]

hmm

shit

anyway, have u seen what ive been cooking monke?

https://pokepast.es/43ed9536fdb8ef63

[bold geode]

Would expect no other analysis from the piss poop guy
Great work

[mighty stump]

Hearing Monke say the word chindo

Is so odd

[charred saddle]

fun team

[mighty stump]

But stop calling him "pisspoop" guy

Its weird

[charred saddle]

HAHAHAHAH

[mighty stump]

Its not even inappropraite

Its just weird

[bold geode]

Says the guy named after a log and food

[charred saddle]

but idk, i feel gambit fits better than metagross

but i just wanna use metagross

[mighty stump]

Kingambit with Weakness Policy 💀

[charred saddle]

no WP ofc

[bold geode]

Get outta here with that shit

[bold geode]

Is it racist if I say Chindo lmao

[mighty stump]

No

It's just funny

[timber falcon]

Went against latias bulldoze with kingsgambit. Was a jump scare lmao

[charred saddle]

honestly i dont feel anything so not a prob ig

[mighty stump]

Cause only SEAsians say Chindo

[bold geode]

Ok I was actually wondering that like is that racist
But I'm like if it was, Tofu would've said something by now right

[charred saddle]

🐒

[autumn vault]

Ok you gave me an amazing idea

Bulldoze latias kingambit annihilape

[timber falcon]

Vile

Trick room potential?

[autumn vault]

Ok thx for the idea black squidward now i will terrorize comp with bulldoze latias

[gentle crag]

lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to otot8953

[timber falcon]

Good luck

[smoky hawk]

WP gambit??

[timber falcon]

Yep

[smoky hawk]

Wow interesting

Did you lose to it?

[timber falcon]

Nah I won

But still surprising to see

[bold geode]

Actually nah that's the play this whole time
Tofu wasn't telling me that was not good that way I could get banned

[smoky hawk]

Sounds like it could work

But not if you just take out gambit

[charred saddle]

does defiant even work from self bulldoze proc

[bold geode]

It does not

Believe me, I tried before

[summer shore]

Moamed Monke

[nocturne holly]

I’m doing defensive Tera solely for bolt

should I just do the 44hp general bulk spread?

i also have to change to grass

[mighty stump]

What's the paste

Depending on your team's damage output, Bulky Shifu is completely fine if you can play it well

Mines like

76+ invested

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/9643247e1569a71f

[mighty stump]

Slower Lando? Idk how I feel about that

What does Urshifu live

Imo if you're running Incin with Sitrus id rather be physically bulky Incin

Unless you're going to live Lando-I, but you have your own Lando-I and Latias so that's not an MU i would be concerned about

[nocturne holly]

just general bulk, drago gave me the scarf spread

yea I was gonna switch back to max max lando i

[bold geode]

Deadass read Shower Lando

[summer shore]

Shower Lando is pretty strong

[bold geode]

Nah clearly you haven't heard of Lamborus

[mighty stump]

What I call Tera Water Lando

[summer shore]

Lera Later Lando

[mighty stump]

Lera Later Lando

[bold geode]

Lera Later Lifu

[summer shore]

Shame you had to derail the train 🤬

[mighty stump]

He doesn;t get it Shiro he'll never be an OG

[summer shore]

Orange Guice

[bold geode]

Yes I will
Victory Royale
The impostors among us

[mighty stump]

Orange Guice

[bold geode]

Don't even comment, I already hate myself for that

[mighty stump]

He's learning

[bold geode]

He's gaining consciousness

Tofu do you remember when you gained consciousness as a kid

[mighty stump]

Yeah

I was 5 years old, I yanked a chair from underneath another kid cause he pissed me off so he would fall and hit his head

Cause he put his shoes on my seat

[bold geode]

Holy shit
Tofu was a fucking menace from the get go

The intrusive thoughts came in at the same time

[mighty stump]

Maybe dont put your nasty shoes on my seat though

[summer shore]

Orange Guice

[bold geode]

And then the kid does like that one video where they pull the chair from under him and he just sits on air

[bold geode]

I wanna say it too, but I don't wanna say it and then it be some Indonesian propaganda

[summer shore]

Im not indonesian i dunno why i'd be spreading indonesian propaganda

Orange Guice

[bold geode]

I mean I wouldn't be surprised if you were
You fuckin gaslit me into thinking you had a sister

Fuck, I've almost been in this server for a year

16 days

[summer shore]

That was one of the craziest things ive pulled off

[mighty stump]

You're welcome

[summer shore]

Thanks tofu

[bold geode]

Yeah both you and Tofu had me like

[mighty stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2027846331-brwvlheihdb55ft0awij787kqn1n6ubpw viciously outplaying Dondozo is always satisfying while testing

[bold geode]

Viciously frying this whale is always satisfying

[summer shore]

viciously breathing is always satisfying while existing

[mighty stump]

Vicious is

Viciously eating ice cream in front of kids who can't have any is always satisfying

[bold geode]

I thought that was going another direction ngl

[karmic temple]

That t1 wake up tho

[mighty stump]

Fr

[nocturne holly]

-calc 143*1.5

[gentle crag]

Result: 214.500000

[mighty stump]

Ngl at -1 I expected Urshifu to die even against -2 Hands but pog

The bulk worked

-2 252+ Atk Iron Hands Wild Charge vs. -1 204 HP / 4 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 134-158 (66.6 - 78.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[nocturne holly]

can I see your shifu spread

[mighty stump]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 4 Def / 140 SpD / 84 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Aqua Jet
• Close Combat
• Protect

[nocturne holly]

What’s it calced for?

[mighty stump]

Damage

Jk

hold on

Modest Specs Flutter Moonblast if you Tera-Water

2nd bump Iron Hands Wild Charge (156+)

Speed to hit 128 and 76 is first bump

[nocturne holly]

W

your team has a way to deal with bolt I’m guessing?

[mighty stump]

252+ SpA Raging Bolt Thunderclap vs. 204 HP / 140 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 168-200 (83.5 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

We eat for free

Lol

[charred saddle]

and then suddenly it calm minded once

[mighty stump]

That's still a free turn for me

If you can preserve Mane you can beat out Raging Bolts

Also trying to figure out Darkshfiu

[nocturne holly]

what the fuck

[mighty stump]

Lol

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/01968633166ce8d4 would scarf or mystic water shifu be better on this?

[near smelt]

Hey question, how volatile is running boulder Exadrill and T-Tar,
I feel it would substantially help. But like.... having two Rock types REALLY really stinks

or is that a risk that I can take with the correct amount of coverage and synergy

[mighty stump]

Not a fan cause it automatically means 1/2 of your team is Urshifu weak

AND Rillaboom we3ak

Well/ Steel on Exca helps but its paper

And those Grassy Glides stil hurt

So i'd pick one or the other

[near smelt]

You mean boulder or Exa?

[mighty stump]

Boulder imo prefers CA the most

Yeah

[near smelt]

I though boulder would want booster energy

[mighty stump]

What for

Id rather not by Intim cyclesd

Boulder can use Booster if it wants to but then it DEFINITELY wants Set-up

[near smelt]

I was going to pair with Ogerpon base

[mighty stump]

imo Sash/Clear Amulet/Booster

[near smelt]

for the redirect support

and defiant

[mighty stump]

All the more value from having Clear Amulet rather than eating Intimidate

Thing that must be learnt is just because you have Defiant doesn't always deter Incin

If I see x4 physical mons im still bringing Incin if I can remove the Defiant mon confidently

[near smelt]

But wouldn't Boulder basically be able to still clear out Incin with the booster?

with sacred?

[mighty stump]

-1 252+ Atk Quark Drive Iron Boulder Mighty Cleave vs. 236 HP / 156+ Def Incineroar: 122-146 (61 - 73%) -- 98% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

[near smelt]

Hmm.

I see, but you would pair it something that can chip down for HO?

before?

[mighty stump]

Boulder? I ran it with Clef + TW for Swords Dance set up

Iron Boulder @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 28 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 220 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Mighty Cleave
• Sacred Sword
• Protect

[near smelt]

Hmm I see, from what I looked up, running with someone with redirect and help soften for boulder sweep is the goal

I saw Clef too

I was wondering if would be enough

[mighty stump]

Yeah thats the point, you run Clef to set up safely, I personally ran Tornadus + Chien/Entei/Flutter Mane

So once you Sac Clef you have Speed Control as necessary or Priority or straight up damage

[near smelt]

Okay so.... I wanted to try Mandi. and run with testing for it. Among Clef,
I thought Mandi can be enough to secure a tailwind and run with covert.
I ran calcs and it can live through a lot.

[mighty stump]

Youre forced into a turn of Protecting for slower Tailwind

Not really something id wanna do when I can bypass Protects imo

Plus it also means they can potentially just double up Mandibuzz

[near smelt]

Hence why I wanted to run an ogerpon for redirect

to deal with it

[mighty stump]

If I Tailwind and sac again I can tempo into a free sweeper twice for free

[near smelt]

Tempo?

Also from I understand it could be possible fro mandi to live through double up

Well except flutter

[mighty stump]

Can it offensively pressure spread damage like Torn

and i was about to say, Dark typing not great here

Sure, youd be able to deal with most Flutter's thanks to boulder

But it's weakness is the single target damage + Speed Booster Flutters/Timid Flutters still outspeed you, with Sash becoming ever popular

[near smelt]

Hence why I asked if running a sand user could be a answer to the sashes.
Well it doesn't do spread damage, but can disrupt with special attack lower with snarls

Also can halt setups with fowl play

just depends on what I would be running

[mighty stump]

Most of the setups are SpA mons atm

Disruption is meh when youre trying to fast play here which imo is what Boulder excels at

[dapper crag]

Hey I recently started competitive and I could use some advice for my team

[near smelt]

I feel like it is fast play is what he good at but he can't really just do right off the bat he would need setup anyway.

and having someone who can live for a while would help no?

[mighty stump]

Yeah but Clef is just better when you also need to eat Spread damage over Ogerpon and is far bulkier lol

[near smelt]

But Clef just seems more passive than Ogerpon though

and give more offensive presure no?

[mighty stump]

Imo Ttar Boulder doesn't sound bad due to the free SpDef boost but im not using Ogerpon for its support

If Ogerpon, id rather be using Wellspring

Cause despite still being kinda garbo into Rillaboom

[near smelt]

It would depend which ogerpon to use though no?

[mighty stump]

At least its SpDef bulkier with a more relevant typing into soemthing like Incin

You said Defiant, you were aiming for Grasspon

[near smelt]

I was thinking either defiant or (Which is pushing it, Rock pon )

but 3 rock types bad

[mighty stump]

And also Waterpon is far better into Watershifu

and Flutter

[near smelt]

Yeah but it would be fodder for Raging bolt though no?

[mighty stump]

Well if you wanna be quirky, either choose Ttar/Boulder/Mandibuzz but not all three

[mighty stump]

Its still a free +1, and so is every Ogeropn fodder because everything but Rockpon still hits resisted

And you don't always have to Tera

Some don't even run Thunderbolt and opt for CM

and only run Thunderclap as sole STAB

[near smelt]

I don't think the point of me is for me to be quirky on purpose and hope that's not what I am trying to do. I know research and testing will have to go into it and such

But if not Ttar what subsitute

[mighty stump]

I'd probably at most use Ttar + Boulder since its far more value than something like Mandibuzz

But also pushing it is also most peoples reasoning to want to use "unique" picks; to seem different than the meta

Not saying Ttar is a shitmon/Neither Boulder

Mandibuzz is definitely getting there though

So that's usually the prejudiced lens I view most with

[near smelt]

No I understand, There is reason a meta exist and stuff is good. I know for me personally is that I am okay with being totally wrong about my though and assumptions

and I know doing it because for the sake of being unique doesn't serve the purpose

hence why the backs and forths help

[mighty stump]

Imo just start with Boulder/Ttar/Redirect Mon, preferrably Wellspring/ + Speed Control Mon

Be it Mandibuzz or Torn

Then go from there

[near smelt]

Would you prefer wellspring or Clef?

[mighty stump]

You can potentially run a trapper with Gothitelle to deal with Psyspam/Flutter Mane cause why not, Redirection + Mane is just good.

[near smelt]

and if not using Ttar (Albeit from using 2 or the 3)

[mighty stump]

Just try both since you seem like the type to execute it anyways and pick one

[near smelt]

I thought Gothi was usally for perish trap setup?

[mighty stump]

Hence why Flutter, but Gothi + Ttar was in Reg C a very strong set to stop Psyspam

[smoky hawk]

PSA: Cotton Guard is a bad choice for Whims. Never use it. Waste of a turn, even if you do survive that turn

I've seen it a couple times now

[mighty stump]

Who's been using Cotton Guard 😭

[near smelt]

What place would Gothi take?

[smoky hawk]

Randos in showdown lol

[mighty stump]

Well with the unique niche of being able to trap, that thing being Anti-TR + Fake Out pressure

Helping Hand/Psychic coverage + Taunt is also nice for Amoonguss

It also gives you something to do if you can clear a Dondozo teams 1st slot.

Traps Dozo + sideslot

Another method of just letting Boulder do it's thing.

But if you're running Ttar at least thats something that can synergise with it well for a matchup people tend to forget about

Heal Pulse/TWave is also a thing on it

[near smelt]

So it would be:
Ttar
Boulder
Mandi/Torn
Redirection
Gothi
Flutter

[mighty stump]

And with Flutter, cause you just want the firepower + Perish Trap potential

[dapper crag]

Move: Cotton Guard

Raises the user's Defense by 3 stages.

Type

Grass

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[nocturne holly]

+3 defense whims 😭

probably still gets one tapped by everything

[near smelt]

It looks like I am like -3 in Ghost/steel and have no Raging bolt answer resist ._.

but ttar can learn ground

[mighty stump]

You have 2 Mons that get a free +1 boost, strong set up neutrals in Boulder + Mane

[smoky hawk]

Do I want the speed or damage boost for walking wake? It's very easy to do either

[mighty stump]

Damage, Speed Wake is underwhelming

[smoky hawk]

Alright good, was thinking that

[near smelt]

Ahh, that is a good point

It's always scary looking at ttype MU and shitting myself in answers

Usually it would be have a resist/answer to everything but's it looking more like if I am just that stronger position that really does not matter

[mighty stump]

Just Tera appropriately too

[near smelt]

Any recs on IV/EV spread?

[mighty stump]

Max HP + Max Atk on Ttar is fine, you can speed creep it using a TW threshold (hit 104)

[near smelt]

Gotcha.
Spec flutter I assume?

[mighty stump]

Booster/Sash/Life Orb/Specs

[near smelt]

Oh that's a lot of choices

[mighty stump]

Sash im less inclined cause of Sand.

[near smelt]

Gothi I think I can look up becauae I had a gothi previous regulations.

Ogerpon wellspring?

[mighty stump]

Brady has a spread that he recently released.

[near smelt]

Also I may need the humor if testing mandi:
I know for sure 252+ HP and a split between Def./ Sp.D

I will have the Torn team to test both

[near smelt]

Pinned>

?

[brazen bough]

Hello, I'm new to vgc how is this team https://pokepast.es/57e13da7311bf4b4

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/vgccorner/status/1743158953763054052?s=20

[brazen bough]

the fluttermane spread is not correct since i switched off of stellar tera booster

[mighty stump]

This is just meta

So fine

Id bump Entei to be one point faster

You have Protect on Specs Flutter, but i'm sure you know that

Im meh about Stellar Pao

[brazen bough]

im experimenting with both flutter and pao

i havent tested pao out but flutter didnt seem to be the worst with it

[mighty stump]

It's just a preference thing, I still like Tera Ghost to avoid Fake Outs when the situation calls for it

[brazen bough]

also does torn not need covert anymore?

[tired sage]

stellar is better if you wanna mash sucker punch tho…
but imo, ghost is nice cause then you’re immune to fighting and fake out doesn’t break sash

[mighty stump]

Either or is fine.

[mighty stump]

Mash it once and then you're done

[tired sage]

pretty much

[brazen bough]

i was just thinking it could be useful for the dozo mu

since dozo glimm is popular rn

[brazen bough]

dyt metagross has any place in the team?

[tired sage]

i haven’t seen dozo glimm in my time battling, how does it play out?