competitive_discussion

[drowsy radish]

So sick of urshifu and weather legendaries ffs

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/42ff805db756e769 opinions?

its a team i plan on using for blueberry competiton

ive never ran a trick room team but i feel like blueberry has the right mons for something like this

[cyan smelt]

i thought blueberry prologue was japan only

[mighty stump]

Unfortunately people tend to use whats good in competitive games

I dont think anyone has made specific ruleset link battles like that

Cause thats the truth being accepted for comp stuff

[timber falcon]

Is it?

[timber falcon]

It doesn’t specify so ima assume not

[pearl wind]

i think thats the dragon online competition thingy with koraidon and miraidon, the blueberry prologue should be available to everyone

[summer shore]

The new year is happy

[mighty stump]

I missed two icicle crashes in a row this is false

[summer shore]

🥲

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2023888626-7apl2paurdti0l52f7z3kdiiqc5b4bkpw looking good

im totorules btw

[mighty stump]

I mean one replay at low elo isn't indicative of how successful it can be

Hypnosis and Foul Play are probably not moves you want here

[timber falcon]

what should i change them to?

[timber falcon]

i know its just that im not exactly the best player, nor have i done a trick room team. this is only for blueberry competiton too

[mighty stump]

Knock Off for STAB, Protect/Taunt as Utility

[mighty stump]

Might as well start trying to climb and see where the wall is

Then note down which matchups are causing issues

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/e481c3d3fe176b00 this is my main team

[mighty stump]

Even if its for just Blueberry Prologue it's still a good habit to build

[timber falcon]

yeah i probably will keep this team, ill probs have 3 teams in total with different builds

[mighty stump]

how far have you gotten with this?

[timber falcon]

1280

no team has ever gotten me that far tbh

[mighty stump]

hm

Might as well push it and see

[timber falcon]

also i might keep hypnosis on malamar

[mighty stump]

You'd probably want to aim 1400s atm at least

I mean, if you want to gamble

Not my personal cup of tea

[timber falcon]

Whats your compet team? just interested to see

[molten oasis]

Imagine even getting into 1200 (low elo is hell)

[timber falcon]

it was pain

anyway my blueberry team has its flaws but im not gonna think to hard about it i never planned on winning. Gonna focus on my main

[molten oasis]

I just continued to play with Hydrapple

Found nasty plot life orb is pretty good

[bold geode]

When the hell is that Blueberry Prologue shit?

[molten oasis]

I’m not doing that

[bold geode]

I might just throw some bullshit together

[molten oasis]

Id rather focus on reg f

[bold geode]

Oh 12-14

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/28c72d9771f66f63 id like to replace iron boulder, any thoughts on replacement options?

[timber falcon]

cloaked urshifu is so annoying

kept landorus in thinking "surely not" landorus dies

[bold geode]

Aw fuck ok then
For the Blueberry Prologue, they're allowing Terapagos

[timber falcon]

Bruh

oh no dont tell me paradox legs too?

if so im screwed

[mighty stump]

Run Sacred Sword over Zen Headbutt + give Clefiary Helping Hand over Heal Pulse

Nothing here benefits Heal Pulse, Psychic STAB on Boulder is pointless anyways and +2 Sacred Swords or Cleaves + HH is way better

Clefairy also probably wants something like Tera Dragon/Tera Grass so it doesnt explode to Urshifu or if you need to redirect Spore

[bold geode]

Yup

[timber falcon]

😭

[bold geode]

Tofu apparently Nemona is now based
As of Blueberry Academy, she apparently runs Infernape in some battle

[mighty stump]

Oh so she's bad

Kk

i still dont know hwo to reinteract with Kieran and Nemona and shit, I assume Ace Academy stuff

[bold geode]

Lmao
Apparently League Club Room somehow
But apparently it's if you choose Fuecoco as your starter

[mighty stump]

Obviously I chose the best starter

[bold geode]

Since I chose Sprig, she has a Decidueye

[mighty stump]

Lul

[bold geode]

Nemona is based

[molten oasis]

k so, keep it then

Alr

[mighty stump]

More as a "try it out with a better set" first

[molten oasis]

Ok

Idk if I’ll change the Tera on clef, steel has felt nice the 2 times I’ve used it’s Tera

[timber falcon]

guys does anyone know a mon that shuts down water urshi?

nvm remembered i got latias

[next stump]

Iron Bundle, Raging Bolt, Rillaboom

[timber falcon]

i think ill add something like iron bundle thanks

for good coverage

should i teach it hydro pump? a bit worried as some say its cursed

[next stump]

the standard set is hydro pump/freeze dry/icy wind/protect

some people drop hydro for a move like encore

but IMO pump is needed for something like Heatran

[timber falcon]

im thiking i swap icy wind with taunt ngl. comes in handy sometimes

[next stump]

If you’re dropping anything, drop Hydro

Icy Wind is so nice coming off of a 309 speed stat

it makes your mid speed pokemon outspeed anything

[timber falcon]

ok thanks

https://pokepast.es/367f3c2d482fac66 this is my team so far

latias for a tailwind set up and comes out with landorus (the star)

[mighty stump]

At least Heatran has seen a mild drop off atm

[timber falcon]

hitmontop can 1HKO or 2HKO incin, and stop fake out spam. iron bundle to take care of potential rilla and back up special attacjer

not sure what to add, thinking of potential rain to activate landos signiture move

bundle also threatens other landos

but im not sure how to wall flutter as its quite versatile ev wise

[next stump]

Bullet Punch + Freeze Dry probably KO’s it, I’m too lazy to run a calc rn

or helping hand bullet bunch

[molten oasis]

Yeaaaaa

Iron boulder ain’t it

I think if I wasn’t already running Hydrapple (another Tera hog) it be fine but

It just feels kinda shit on here

https://pokepast.es/bacacca2ac5c174e

And not being able to twave dark types has backfired a couple times now

Or just touch any dark type with thundy

Thundy has not been bad, but not great either

[timber falcon]

ok so hitmon top most likely has that covered

[molten oasis]

Iron boulder just feels kinda clunky here

So I’d like to replace that, any suggestions for that?

Mu wise, ho is kinda rough sometimes

Fluttermane is a kinda rough

Kingambit is rough

Iron crown psyspam is rough at times

Seen lots of Tera water or ground for incin

Stellar Tera enamorus hws been pretty annoying (doable but annoying)

Hard tr is doable with clef and Hydrapple

Hydrapple can take a facade from Ursa

Hmm

That’s what I’ve struggled with

Does that give any insight on replacement options?

[drowsy radish]

Had decent success with this team today but I feel like it can be optimised some more. Are there any obvious weaknesses? Thinking the safety goggles on incin are a bit useless, what could potentially give me more usage?

Skarmory move set updated

[timber falcon]

what format is this?

[mighty stump]

Then youp need Rilla Incin lol

[drowsy radish]

Doubles, sorry should have mentioned

[molten oasis]

ok then guess I throw it in the bin, again

[mighty stump]

Dude just accept the typing overlap

[timber falcon]

teratypes

[mighty stump]

Items need correcting, levels need to be done at 50, moves need correcting

Send a paste and ill correct it.

[drowsy radish]

https://pokepast.es/bf21104f95b54cbc

[drowsy radish]

I prettt much only Tera arch into dragon

The dragon pulse does work

[drowsy radish]

Thanks so much

[gentle crag]

a7mad has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[timber falcon]

its best to put a tera on everything just in case

[molten oasis]

3 flying and 3 ice weaknesses sounds ass but alright then

[drowsy radish]

I have literally been playing pvp for 24 hrs hahaha

But I’m here for feedback, constructive mainly

[timber falcon]

where the flying weakness

[mighty stump]

He's referring to his own team.

[drowsy radish]

Mb

[timber falcon]

thought so

is poison tera bundle a good idea? im trying to use it for rilla shut down, flutter defense and importantly urshifu wall

[kindred cypress]

Why do you have both u turn and parting shot?

[drowsy radish]

I couldn’t decide which to keep considering I’ve ko’d a good amount of mons with the u turn, so I went with both

[timber falcon]

yeah your team needs a lot of editing, belly drum ursa isnt gonna work. its getting shut down immediatley

[drowsy radish]

In most of my wins ursa doesn’t even appear, and I haven’t used belly drum a single time

[timber falcon]

theres also 4 fighting weaknesses

[drowsy radish]

Somehow I’m winning about 70% of the time

[timber falcon]

this isnt good. either swap out ursa or swap the belly drum

[drowsy radish]

Is the link that I sent where you can edit?

Just on my phone atm

[mighty stump]

@drowsy radish https://pokepast.es/a5d98c9bcc1dae86
Things to note:

• Ursaluna needs some for of speed control i.e. Trick Room or something.
• Skarmory is highly outclassed by something like Corviknight
• Rotom-W is not very good at the moment either, but that's the expected Trick moveset.
• I fixed Incin and Archaludon's EVs to be standard and also fixed the movesets of Skarmory/Incin/Archaludon. You didnt need both Parting Shot and U-Turn and Hazards are only relevant for Singles OU. Archaludon is now running Tbolt and Draco Meteor as you aren't running rain for Electro Shot and Draco is just better here.
• Tyranitar AND Archaludon are both competing for AV here but I just displayed the moveset for AV.

I think before you try teambuilding I recommend just looking over established teams like the ones in the pins since theres a Regulation F repository now.

[timber falcon]

Entei @ Choice Band
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 240 HP / 116 Atk / 36 Def / 116 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Sacred Fire
• Stomping Tantrum
• Extreme Speed
• Trailblaze

[mighty stump]

^ That's wasting EVs

[timber falcon]

thoughts?

[mighty stump]

Iron Head over Trailblaze cause that';s not something you want to be stuck into.

[timber falcon]

ok

almost threw that one lol

[drowsy radish]

Thanks heaps for your feedback

[gentle crag]

a7mad has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

VGCguide.com is recommended for new players

and channels like CybertronVGC is also helpful.l

[timber falcon]

thanks bro youve saved me a lot f losses by now 🙏

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/35a4a578bfeaf401 looking for one more mon to add to this landorus main team

is my offence good enough? idj if i should add a mon meant for support or a mon that will attack mostly

got my eyes on ogerpon (well spring) but wanna see thoughts first

[karmic temple]

Good game tofu

[mighty stump]

pog

[karmic temple]

I was wondering the entire time if it was you

Then saw you in chat just now

Cute team 🤭

[mighty stump]

yer

trying something in game see if it works as well as it did on SD ladder

[karmic temple]

Was his bullet punch weak or is your pao just bulky

[mighty stump]

BP never KOs

[karmic temple]

Ah gotcha

“Tofu swaps are amazing”

[timber falcon]

wait bullet punch cant ko chien pao

on which mon?

[mighty stump]

Metagross

[molten oasis]

Mk

Lost 3 games to

Whims critting moonblast on Hydrapple

Flutter getting a crit dazzling on my shifu

And freeze dry freezing my Tera poison hydrspple

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

Oh and chi yu burned my shifu the game mane got that crit

Fun

[bold geode]

[mighty stump]

@karmic temple back to back lesgeddit

[summer shore]

Tofu

Can we unlock the touf

[mighty stump]

No

[summer shore]

Why not

[bold geode]

Irsho

[summer shore]

Nkmoe

[molten oasis]

Tera dragon Registeel

Interesting

[bold geode]

Same logic as Corv tbh

Or about same logic

Since they both technically run same sets
IDBP iirc

[timber falcon]

wait guys does ogerpon mask give a damage boost????

[bold geode]

Yes
1.2x

[timber falcon]

cant believe i never knew that

[karmic temple]

Eyyy I saw those were great plays by you

[lofty tartan]

It's newer so it's easy to miss things like a 1.2x boost to all moves from the mask, since it isn't listed in game information

[timber falcon]

but grass ogerpon doesnt get it right

[lofty tartan]

Correct. No mask

[bold geode]

Should

Huh? It has a Teal Mask?

[summer shore]

😭

[lofty tartan]

I didn't think it got one, Monke

[timber falcon]

\

[lofty tartan]

The held item masks are what we're talking about.

[bold geode]

Yeah idk lmao
I'm just saying that'd sorta make sense there

[lofty tartan]

But I didn't see a boost for teal mask form. I could be wrong but I also haven't seen the boost mentioned with regards to base

Life Orb + 1.2x on all moves seems sorta bonkers?

[bold geode]

Then again Grass has ability to hold items so

[summer shore]

@bold geode @mighty stump https://pokepast.es/3dc256754d8a5a56 gOU

[lofty tartan]

Plus Defiant?

[bold geode]

Is that a MONKEY

[summer shore]

Yes it is

[mighty stump]

That Gholdengo set gives me bad vibes

[summer shore]

Its balance for a reason

Team is doing quite good

[bold geode]

[mighty stump]

me doing quite good on SD ladder:
also me: bombs Nino ladder tour

[summer shore]

3-0 in 1.4s

[mighty stump]

Shiro

Did I tell you

[summer shore]

No

[mighty stump]

I did 2 simultaneous VGC sets against two top 500 players

and won both

[summer shore]

Why not 3

B+ again

Tut tut

[mighty stump]

i was playing sets not singles like u

nerd

[summer shore]

Shit im goated

[chrome knot]

singles bleh

[mighty stump]

I should host a giveaway for new years

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/9c76b3fb4482a248 final design

[molten oasis]

Well

I lost to a earthquake quagsire and and iappa berry hands

[summer shore]

Give your bad luck away

[molten oasis]

And im sitting at 1159 elo, yippee

[mighty stump]

Take a break Drago hh

We chillin

[molten oasis]

I’m not mad necessarily

[mighty stump]

No I know

But it's New Years

[molten oasis]

But yea I’ll prob take a break low elo is hell and I can’t get out

Tbf I’m running Hydrapple so, maybe I belong here (joke)

also am not loving the ice+flying weakness BUT I’ll deal with that later

[mighty stump]

I keep forgetting Rock doesnt resist Ice

It's kinda wack

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2023972737 test run of the team, yes its a low elo game but having all mon alive is great for me

[molten oasis]

I think it’s dumb

But then again, ice can break open rocks, and rocks can break ice so ig it kinda makes sense

[summer shore]

@mighty stump i think this is the return of my balance building

Im 6-0 now

[mighty stump]

pog

[summer shore]

No close games

[knotty mirage]

Does anyone in here have EV spread for prankster whimsicott ?

[mighty stump]

Pins

My blog has two sets

[karmic temple]

Dear diary, it is 2/22/24 and we have no sightings of a porygon outbreak. I’m bringing to think they don’t exist.

[molten oasis]

Maybe they don’t

[mighty stump]

omg its time to run Quick Claw Expanding Force Slowbro-Galar

[timber falcon]

icy wind bundle goes so hard, tysm for this

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[mighty stump]

(Do not do this)

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2023976384

[knotty mirage]

How to check pins again this new discord UI makes me confused

[mighty stump]

https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofutable6

Here's the direct link

[knotty mirage]

Thanks

[summer shore]

I have been quite tempted to bring back quickscreen

[molten oasis]

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 80: Slowbro-Galar

Types

Poison/Psychic

Abilities

Quick Draw, Own Tempo, Regenerator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/100/95/100/70/30

Total

490

Base Species

Slowbro

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[molten oasis]

Damn, that’s is an unfortunate stat spread

[karmic temple]

FINALLY an outbreak

[nocturne holly]

scarfshifu is actually him

[nocturne holly]

Drago do you have a new scarfshifu spread

[molten oasis]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 60 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 68 SpD / 220 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Ice Spinner
• U-turn this is my correct one

[mighty stump]

wack

[molten oasis]

It’s just the one that was in my box

Idk what it does lol

[mighty stump]

based

[molten oasis]

I just haven’t cared enough to change it as im still fidgeting with stuff

Hydrapple clef feels good

[smoky hawk]

Choice band Entei partnered with Chien-Pao in the sun would do a fair amount of damage with sacred fire, wouldn't it?

[molten oasis]

Shifu and incin are fine

Thundy has had its moments, rilla is okay for now

[timber falcon]

omg hitmontop really is on top

[mighty stump]

Probably

[timber falcon]

wide guarded specs flutter, clear amulet stopped swap in out incin, to then upperhand it and collect that W. im actually loving this team

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2023980333

i might actuLLY be getting better, 3 in a row and games not close

[molten oasis]

Nice

[timber falcon]

time to get out of these torture low elo games

where evryone spams the most offensive things they can find

[smoky hawk]

I've been trying to figure out my Portland team for over a week and I don't think I'm any closer

This is getting me worried

[mighty stump]

just slap random ideas together in bo1 ladder and once you find pieces youre comfy with, you go do bo3s

[smoky hawk]

I'll just try many ideas and see what works best

[mighty stump]

Happy New Years from Indonesia guys

[tired sage]

Happy new years Tofu!

[nocturne holly]

Happy new years

[nocturne holly]

Hitmontop put in work lmao

[timber falcon]

fr lmao

[summer shore]

HNY! TOUF

[mighty stump]

As much as I hate each and every single one of you I also appreciate all of you

[summer shore]

Can you prOUve that lOUve?

All yOU have tOU dOU is play sOUme OU

[mighty stump]

bye

[summer shore]

No dont go

[timber falcon]

god bless upper hand

hitmontop is the best "nuh uh" i have ever used

but seriously why isnt upper hand used more often. not only does it wall fake out, but grassy glide, sucker punch, and thunderclap. only weakness is ghost

[next stump]

it has kinda bad distribution if I remember correctly

[mighty stump]

Yep

"Wall" is also hard to say since you don't truly wall it

It's a call to make

and definitely outplayable

[timber falcon]

nvm upper hand has its flaws

you need to be faster in most cases

[tired sage]

wait can you upper hand an upper hand?

[dull ibex]

hello

[timber falcon]

no

actually i think yes, it goes to whoever is faster

[whole ibex]

Is that high ladder for B03

[next stump]

no

[molten oasis]

No that’s pretty bad, even worse in bo1

Low elo hell man. Shit sucks

[whole ibex]

What Elo would you consider a good indication that your team is successful?

[chrome knot]

@next stump congrats

[next stump]

thank you!

[mighty stump]

what, atm? 1500s+ probably

Itll go up as the ladder settles

and then for bo3 same scale but it starts lower

then just overall consistency

Its like a good “indicator” but overall not always the full story

[mighty stump]

aye congrats on the win, 200 CP over the journey with a single team is nutty

[kind ember]

Honestly, whimsicott kind of needs a buff

[chrome knot]

uh ?

[whole ibex]

Gotcha

I really like using Hydrapple

[strange fjord]

Hydrapple has a cool design and is usable. win-win

[whole ibex]

I need to make adjustments to my team tho but overall, it’s been fine.

I basically have TR with ChienTei

I wanna get a bit more serious into competing (I know that seem contracting since I’m using Hydrapple but I still wanna have fun with my “favorites” If they have a good niche)

[nocturne holly]

wait what happened

what did Dillon win

[bold geode]

Hi Emmie

[bold geode]

It's been 2 business days and still nothing

[next stump]

thank you 🙂

[gentle crag]

mlbd has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[next stump]

I won 4 Mid Season Showdowns in a row hahaha

281/500 points towards worlds now

[nocturne holly]

damn that’s great
gl hope you get to worlds

[next stump]

thank you ♥️ i appreciate it

[bold geode]

Damn Dillon winning 4 MSS
Man's is goated

[tribal garnet]

Idk if it's just on my end but can anyone else access the victory road vgc site? I can't seem to go into it

[next stump]

I can access it right now

[tribal garnet]

Dang I wonder why I can't still 🤔

[mighty stump]

should go speak to @molten oasis

[whole ibex]

We have actually been talking about using Hydrapple

[tired sage]

:0
hydrapple

[mighty stump]

the vibe it radiates is “its just there”

[tired sage]

thats so true

[mighty stump]

although today I was thinking about Supersweet Syrup and potentially Hypnosis

or Magma Storm Heatrans

Trapping tends to skew board positions towards your side

[tired sage]

:0
thats an interesting idea.
i think a lot of people are looking at regenerator cause...
well its regenerator

[mighty stump]

Dunno how executable it is as a lead since some leads are not great to do that into

but against certain teams in my eyes being able to lead off with accurate strong trapping can be stupid

especially since hydrapple gets yawn

[whole ibex]

I was thinking about Super Sweet Syrup as well but only working once is big sad for me

[mighty stump]

Once is all you need really

in this case

[whole ibex]

Plus I’m not really using much inaccurate moves besides Scared Fire in the team anyways

[tribal garnet]

Just got a shiny glimmora,any good builds for her just to be a hazard setter?

[kindred cypress]

What potential does kingdra have in reg f?

[whole ibex]

I wanna ask if you doing tournaments in general how much should you hide your team? Sometimes I wanna show some people in servers or dms my team for input but I get hesitant to do so. I’m guessing it shouldn’t matter as much as I’m making it out to be since open team sheet is a thing.

I also know that many people try to be careful doing the ladder

[next stump]

like regionals/official tournaments or online tournaments?

[whole ibex]

Probably starting with online but I would like an answer for regionals/official as well

[next stump]

I think if you’re not a top top player (someone who can regularly make deep runs into Day 2), it doesn’t matter if you share your teams online

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/52865536b61d8a60 decided to just go with an offensive team instead of always doing defence

[whole ibex]

Alright thanks

[gentle crag]

soggywaffles6251 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[tough idol]

By the time my Regional comes up there will likely be a set meta tbh and most teams will be public at some point.

[whole ibex]

Ok

[tough idol]

I've only got an idea for 4/6 of my team atm 🤣

[whole ibex]

Ok

[tough idol]

Entei, Pao, Rilla, Waterpon/ Rapid Urshi

[whole ibex]

https://pokepast.es/0e3af247a6e7a8a4
This is my Hydrapple team so far. I got rid of clam mind Primarina cause a friend of mind said having 3 sey up boosting mons is too much. I'm gonna adjust the evs for Prim as a result. Might try AV apple again as well. Any input is appreciated.

[tough idol]

Is Fickle Beam not worth running on Hydrapple?

[whole ibex]

You can run it

But Grass/Ground coverage is neat and Earth power does more damage than base fickle beam

Even with stab

[tough idol]

Makes sense tbf, I've not even looked at Hydrapple tbh

Got it for Dex and threw in a box

[whole ibex]

I like nasty plot

[tired sage]

well fickle beam is always fun to mess around with

[whole ibex]

Fickle beam is fun to use

A little sad to replace it with earth power lol

I guess you could just run assault vest to get more coverage I suppose

[kindred cypress]

Can’t wait for worlds when the 160 damage procs on the final round

[tired sage]

oh what’s the set for hydrapple…?
is there a better set than
earth power, fickle beam, pollen puff, energy ball?

[whole ibex]

I think most are doing AV
Two Dragon stabs
Giga Drain/LeafStorm
EarthPower

[tired sage]

ohhhh

[whole ibex]

Pollen Puff does get usage as well

[tired sage]

i’m still running an offensive with a bit of healing (courtesy of pollen puff)

it’s slow so it can heal things first in TR and that’s how i usually use it

[whole ibex]

I feel like with AV you’re kinda using a worse Arch/Raging Bolt

Which why my friend suggest NP

But I’m still experimenting tho

[tired sage]

wait hydrapple gets np-?

[whole ibex]

So AV isn’t off the table yet

[whole ibex]

Yes

[tired sage]

i can see the vision

[whole ibex]

I’m questioning on if using ChienTai is fine to use in a TR team

They’re good and nice to have outside of TR

[kindred cypress]

That sounds like something else

[whole ibex]

?

[tired sage]

chientei is a solid option imo.
as long as psyterrain isn’t up you should be able to dish out enough damage

[bold geode]

Me and Drago had 2/3 of your team

[whole ibex]

Is that a bad thing?

[bold geode]

No

Paotei looks like a route we SHOULD'VE took tbh

[whole ibex]

Does Prim need CM?

[bold geode]

Honestly Drago rn is running Life Orb Nasty Plot
Primarina can use Spray or Life Orb itself
With Life Orb, Primarina Hyper Voice does a ton even in sun

But I'd go Throat Spray if you do Life Orb Hydrapple
If that stops working, a Leftovers Yawnbot Hydrapple also could work

[next stump]

no

[polar canyon]

Thoughts on carrying water pledge on empoleon not for gimmicks but to have a 100 accuracy water move?

[tired sage]

good
it’s what i run. and storm drain negation is also good

[bold geode]

Yeah go for it

[polar canyon]

Nice

[bold geode]

That is completely valid

[polar canyon]

It does that?

[tired sage]

water pledge has become my go to for an empoleon

[dapper crag]

Move: Water Pledge

If one of the user's allies chose to use Fire Pledge or Grass Pledge this turn and has not moved yet, it takes its turn immediately after the user and the user's move does nothing. If combined with Fire Pledge, the ally uses Water Pledge with 150 power and a rainbow appears on the user's side for 4 turns, which doubles secondary effect chances and stacks with the Serene Grace Ability, except effects that cause flinching can only have their chance doubled once. If combined with Grass Pledge, the ally uses Grass Pledge with 150 power and a swamp appears on the target's side for 4 turns, which quarters the Speed of each Pokemon on that side. When used as a combined move, this move gains STAB no matter what the user's type is. This move does not consume the user's Water Gem, and cannot be redirected by the Storm Drain Ability.

Type

Water

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[tired sage]

yeah it can’t be redirected by storm drain

[whole ibex]

The main reason why I chose Entei is because I was torn between RocK9 and Incin. I kind of felt like RocK9 would be nice was because I been using Espeed Nite the most and Since I’m using a completely different team than what I’m used to, having Espeed RocK9 would give me something familiar to work with. But then we look at Entei and decided to use that instead

[polar canyon]

Rockanine is such a funny name

[whole ibex]

Ikr

[bold geode]

Harc is a fraud
Incineroar the boy
Entei is REALLY good
Actually a PaoNite but one resists Mane

[tired sage]

harcanine is decent cause you get the intimidate from it but…
i feel like entei really just negates everything with inner focus, plus it hits harder and goes faster than dnite

also,
harcanine is slowly dying down cause incin stole the spot for fire type intim. plus role compression so…

[bold geode]

Don't get me wrong
Hisuian Arcanine is good
But I like to joke about Harc being a fraud cuz once Incin came back, Harc was pretty much NOWHERE to be seen lmao

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 244: Entei

Type

Fire

Abilities

Pressure, Inner Focus (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

115/115/85/90/75/100

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

Pokémon No. 149: Dragonite

Types

Dragon/Flying

Abilities

Inner Focus, Multiscale (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

91/134/95/100/100/80

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[bold geode]

The role compression makes me happy

[polar canyon]

Harc doesn't have fake out that's all you need to know

[next stump]

20 lower attack

[kindred cypress]

We can now run head smash

[next stump]

but the speed stat is a good reason to@use it

[tired sage]

that’s so true…
role compression is nice

[bold geode]

But the resistance to Mane also makes it like damn

[polar canyon]

I mean dnite is just gonna tera normal

Or flying to blast it in the face

[bold geode]

Like not having your duo slammed by Tera Fairy Dazzling Gleam without tera is amazing

[tired sage]

yeah

[bold geode]

Actually Harc Pao was becoming a thing for a sec cuz of that
Damn Entei took that too
Harc really a fuckin fraud

[tired sage]

paonite’s biggest weakness was being slapped around like a toy by flutter mane

[polar canyon]

Farigiraf gaming

[tired sage]

but don’t discredit harc (or rather arcanine)
it’s been at the top for a long time

[whole ibex]

Why tho?

[bold geode]

Only cuz people FINALLY got over it's 4x weakness to water

[polar canyon]

You get to use more varied teams without missing out on some roles

[whole ibex]

I also wanna ask, doesn’t it feel counterproductive to run life orb and run Giga drain at the same time? Maybe it’s just me.

[bold geode]

Means you can have more freedom when teambuilding/do more dumb shit

[polar canyon]

On what?

[bold geode]

Give a Mon more survivability? Nah

[whole ibex]

Hydrapple

[polar canyon]

Yep it's worth it

[bold geode]

Plus I think Giga Drain is probably it's best Grass STAB

[dapper crag]

Hydrapple's moveset:

Physical Moves

Astonish, Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Bug Bite, Bullet Seed, Double Hit, Double-Edge, Dragon Tail, Earthquake, Facade, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Gyro Ball, Heavy Slam, Outrage, Pounce, Power Whip, Rollout, Seed Bomb, Sucker Punch, Take Down

Special Moves

Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Energy Ball, Fickle Beam, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Infestation, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Pollen Puff, Solar Beam, Syrup Bomb, Tera Blast, Uproar

Status Moves

Attract, Curse, Defense Curl, Dragon Cheer, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Nasty Plot, Protect, Rain Dance, Recover, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Sweet Scent, Withdraw, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Hydrapple.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[whole ibex]

The lorb takes it away a little bit

[polar canyon]

Syrup bomb clearly

[bold geode]

But not all of it

[polar canyon]

Yeah and the drain recovers more

[whole ibex]

Yeah true

[bold geode]

Syrup Bomb on Regenerator? Nah

[polar canyon]

I'm kidding

[whole ibex]

So Monke you been using Hydrapple too?

[bold geode]

I have
I strayed away to work on Annihilape but I did

[whole ibex]

Nice

[bold geode]

AV Hydrapple wasn't it

[whole ibex]

Why’s that?

[polar canyon]

What sets do people run on empoleon btw?

Av?

[whole ibex]

Av

[bold geode]

It got results in tournaments, but like
Things like Bolt or Mane which threaten it the most basically required tera most of the time

[bold geode]

AV tera Fairy/Grass

[next stump]

yawn/water move/ice or steel move/protect

or

water move/steel move/ice move/random move with AV

[bold geode]

I think Fairy ran Blast

[tired sage]

usually AV with vacuum wave is what i run…

[polar canyon]

Steel beam

[jovial storm]

What is AV?

[polar canyon]

Assault vest

[tired sage]

grass usually runs blast or knot

[jovial storm]

Oh, okay.

[tired sage]

or just doesn’t run any grass coverage

[polar canyon]

Do you really need grass coverage on it?

[tired sage]

no

[polar canyon]

I mean

You can for opposing water

[tired sage]

not really…
but empoleon has a hard time dealing with other water types

[polar canyon]

If it's something like urshifu I'll rather run fairy

[next stump]

you’re walled by urshifu-R without it kinda

[polar canyon]

Fairy blast it is

[tired sage]

yeah…
usually in that case i try to ice beam for the freeze chance…

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/2ec6de04c24832b2

Real

Is it tho

[tired sage]

topsy turvy smeargle :0

[whole ibex]

Tofu made a empoleon team awhile back

I really want to use Empoleon but like dying to Urshifu kinda rough

But that’s a lot Pokémon really

[tired sage]

i just uh…
took tofu and prog’s empoleon team and added role compression and a meme

https://pokepast.es/ec8917b3b9bad6fd

[tired sage]

also empoleon shouldn’t have too much trouble with shifu if you have a second more threatening mon on the field…
the only thing to keep track of for me is that steel doesn’t resist electric so empoleon is weak to electric

[whole ibex]

What exactly is Role Compression?

[tired sage]

incin

fake out fire type intimidate

where as on tofu’s team there’s rilla and harc

tbf they do have their own merits with rilla being able to change terrain to deter psyspam

harcanine…
being a precious little one on the field

anyways yeah i call incin role compression cause it quite literally is…
you’ve got fake out, intimidate, knock off, and debuffing move all in one

[next stump]

The idea that one pokémon can serve multiple functions within a team

Incineroar is definitely the biggest example of this. Compare it to what dominated early SV, Arcanine, and you can kinda see why.

You get the fire typing and Intimidate, but you also get Fake Out, pivoting through U-Turn or Parting Shot, Knock Off’s utility, further stat reduction beyond Intimidate with Parting Shot, etc.

Old teams used to run Arcanine AND Iron Hands to have a similar effect

[kindred cypress]

And helping hand

[tired sage]

who runs hh incin-
ive only seen knock off flare blitz parting shot fake out

or...
dd-lariat, flare blitz, parting shot, fake out

[polar canyon]

Incineroar gets hh?

Lando t is much more horse like and doesn't learn it

Lando t is horse pilled

[kindred cypress]

My bad, I forgot there were 2 hh

[kind ember]

Is flutter mane, amoongus, ting lu, annihilape, iron hands, and whimsicott a good team?

[next stump]

the homie ting lu is not in a great spot IMO but it's not inherently a bad team

I think Tornadus might be better than Whimsicott to give you some offense into opposing grass types

[kind ember]

I’m kind of new to competitive so idk how to get Tornadus

[next stump]

It has to come from an older game, or someone can trade one to you

But you'd probably need to trade a legendary in return

[kind ember]

Oh, I don’t really have any

[next stump]

Then Whimsicott will be fine

you could also play around with Pelipper

[kind ember]

What does that do?

[next stump]

It gets access to tailwind, but its not priority boosted like Whimsicott/Tornadus

[kind ember]

What game does tornadus come from?

[torn gorge]

Gen 5

Black and white

[next stump]

it's catchable in gen 8 as well if you have the DLC

[cyan smelt]

you can get one from PLA too

[kind ember]

What’s PLA

[cyan smelt]

legends arceus

[kind ember]

What legendaries would people trade for it?

[nocturne holly]

Ting Lu is a homie?

I hate ting Lu

[nocturne holly]

#1112832566261731328 and related channels are more trade centered than this

[autumn vault]

Since its new year after sleeping will get my teams ready for reg F

In 2 days

Or 3 days if youre american (no problems with americans despite being european but they are a bit behind time due to timezones existing)

[autumn vault]

Other legends or shinies or apriballs

Apriballs are rare pokeballs unnaccesible in the pokecenter

Their from item printer and auctions

[silver ravine]

Finally breeding my first competitve team. Pretty hyped ngl

[karmic temple]

Good luck have fun

cries in shiny competitive breeding

[silver ravine]

May god have mercy on your eternal soul. I was considering it, but the maths don't look good

[timber falcon]

gonna win my first game of the year rn

no way i actually won lol

[silver ravine]

Gratz

[molten oasis]

Glad you pinged me, just to read that it’s a sitting duck kinda Mon

which is it but, I have hopes,

I also don’t love the syrupsweet stuff personally

As it only works once

[kindred cypress]

It is* 🤓

[molten oasis]

Shut up man

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/dd7002fd4b416708 second team to bring me to 1200, however, this one looks a bit better

also no idea why tornadus running taunt instead of tailwind

[craggy swan]

who the hell runs imprison flutter mane

just foiled all my plans

[craggy swan]

life orbed raging bolt with life orb and eleltric tera tho is amazing

[dapper crag]

anybody have any insight to this team better: <<view-team-232698-eb7rwd0b7k44tre5zf3s>>

[bold geode]

Sir can you send us a Pokepaste link and not a virus

Or ma'am

[wild cairn]

best ev build for trick room Granbull?

[bold geode]

Ngl
Granbull not it

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 210: Granbull

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Intimidate, Quick Feet, Rattled (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/120/75/60/60/45

Total

450

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[bold geode]

But I'd start max HP max attack brave if you're intent on using it and then adjust from there

[dapper crag]

my bad, here: https://pokepast.es/9d6cd51d096c9b42

[wild cairn]

ok. what remaining evs should i invest in Brave Granbull?

[bold geode]

The 4 just put in Spdef

[wild cairn]

so max HP and Attack evs?

[bold geode]

First off Hydrapple and Hands with those items ain't it
Second off, Hands wants max spdef not HP
Urshifu is not good as a slow TR Mon
I don't see Oranguru working out here, Indeedee would be better
Hydrapple wants Steel or Poison Tera and can do Yawn build or Nasty Plot build
Hands can go AV with Grass Fire or Water tera
CB Urshifu Single wants U turn

[bold geode]

Yeah

Also @dapper crag forgot to mention you want Indeedee cuz Hatterene getting Expanding Force is big

[dapper crag]

Male or female Indeedee?

[bold geode]

Female

[dapper crag]

Okay, now explain to me what items would work best please

[bold geode]

Hands AV
If Hydrappl is Nasty Plot, try Life Orb or maybe Sitrus berry
If Yawn bot, Leftovers

[molten oasis]

Another Hydrapple?

[bold geode]

Rest looks fine

Yes another and it's AV

[molten oasis]

Don’t run av

I have learned from experience it isn’t worth it

[bold geode]

Can you take it while I order food lol

[molten oasis]

Bruh

[bold geode]

Hey plz
I'm getting me and my mom dinner here

[molten oasis]

Ok

[dapper crag]

thanks

[molten oasis]

Life orb is good, or sitrus

I think nasty plot is pretty solid

You run fickle/earth power, giga drain, nasty plot, and protect

252hp 252 spA is fine

Id Tera poison instead of fire

It’s a better defensive typing rn

And then indeedee over oranguru like monke said

[dapper crag]

Ahh okay, thanks

[molten oasis]

And av on hands

[bold geode]

Aight ordered lol

[astral gazelle]

Trust use Hydrapple on a sun tr team

https://pokepast.es/b621851851a27fcf

Only used it for 1 battle but it had 100% win rate

[whole ibex]

What’s wrong with AV?

[whole ibex]

I use Nasty Plot with Grass/Ground coverage

You could run Fickle beam as well if you don’t want to get walled by grass and flying types

I think Tera Fire is fine. You could do Poison like what Drago said

[bold geode]

Wow 1-0 so crazy

[astral gazelle]

Ikr

Like game freak sign me

[broken grove]

Been many years since playing comp and started playing 4 days ago, made it to Master finally yippie now I can sleep lol

[astral gazelle]

Where is the team code

[broken grove]

How do I share it? No clue lmao but I use this team:

Hatterena
Volcorona (Tera Water!)
Kingambit (Tera Fight)

it has some flaws here and there but its fun

Sometimes I switch out Hatterena for Glimmora but was less sucessfull dies too quick and switches were made too lil for it to be effective

[amber panther]

Best build for double battle Archaludon?

[molten oasis]

The mons that use av are to dampen manes damage

Hydra just blows up to mane anyway

[astral gazelle]

Trust give it a life orb and use it in tr

[kind ember]

How do I counter psychic terrain, trick room, expanding force?

[dull ibex]

Terrain control and anti tr

[kind ember]

With what Pokémon/moves?

[polar canyon]

Other terrains, wide guard, dark types

[charred saddle]

rillaboom, dark type mons (immune to eforce)

[polar canyon]

Other terrains mostly means rillaboom

[charred saddle]

ye, no other terrain users that are good currently (from reg E at least)

[kind ember]

Does rillaboom have grassy terrain?

[charred saddle]

i usually just let them tr, ko one mon, then change terrain

ye it does

[kind ember]

As a move or ability?

[queen hull]

Grassy Surge as it's HA

[polar canyon]

Ability

[kind ember]

Oh

[polar canyon]

It just comes into battle and the ground gets green instantly

It's the whole deal about rillaboom

[kind ember]

Can you get it’s hidden ability as the Pokémon home gift?

[charred saddle]

if its like torkoal TR team, and you have rain setter, you can also do it to offset the damage

[craggy swan]

just know when you send out rilla and your opponent sends out indeenee the same time, it matters which mon is slower so your rilla will put up the terrian first but then indeenee will put down its terrian over it after

[polar canyon]

You could idk if you still can

[kind ember]

I got it already

[polar canyon]

But you can always just get a newly hatched ha mon from another player

[charred saddle]

or just prio move to it under TR to reduce eruption (do be mindful of terrain)

[polar canyon]

Be aware that they always have a lilligant option for non tr

After you eruption

[charred saddle]

then again if u have rain haha

[astral gazelle]

Yessir

After u eruption is my guy

[charred saddle]

itll become slow lilli + low dmg torkoal

[polar canyon]

Low damage torkoal is the most important

[charred saddle]

or redirect after you with follow me

[kind ember]

Thanks everyone, I actually started crying after getting indeedee and amourouge 3 games in a row

[astral gazelle]

It goes before if I recall

Maybe I’m hella wrong

[charred saddle]

what goes before?

follow me is prio move, after you is not

[astral gazelle]

Nvm I lied

[polar canyon]

After you is just very fast because lilligant has chlorophyll

If it was prio it would be such a broken move

[astral gazelle]

Best combo in the game

[charred saddle]

not really

[polar canyon]

Imagine the specs regidrago with prio after you

[kind ember]

Is chi yu or chein pao better for dark types?

[charred saddle]

u just need to learn how to play around it

[polar canyon]

Literally very much depends on the rest of the team

[charred saddle]

for armadeedee counter? chienpao

[astral gazelle]

In best of 1 best combo in the game

[charred saddle]

if you have flutter tho, chiyu

chiyu snarl is very strong to armadeedee

i think theres a calc for chiflutter, snarl + gleam ko

[smoky hawk]

Happy new year to my fellow pokemaniacs!

[kind ember]

My team is
Amoongus
Flutter mane
Iron hands
Annihilape
Whimsicott

[charred saddle]

chienpao also has ice spinner to get rid of psychic terrain

[polar canyon]

Happy birthday

[polar canyon]

You want chi yu over chien pao

100%

Do you want to know why

[kind ember]

Not really

Helps flutter mane?

[polar canyon]

Beads of ruin you know what the ability does right?

[kind ember]

Lowers special attack right?

[polar canyon]

All pokemon except chi yu get lowered special defense

A small drawback is that mane gets a bit more fragile too

[kind ember]

Defence*

[polar canyon]

The big upside is that mane does bigger damage

It also works well with whimsicott if it has sunny day

Sun boosts both manes biggest stat and chi yus fire moves

[kind ember]

I maxed my flutter mane in speed and special attack

[polar canyon]

Plus tailwind

[charred saddle]

max max flutter is only nice for specs / sash

if its booster i think its always good to have some bulk

to live some common moves, like sucker chien, icicle crash/spinner

[kind ember]

Oh

[charred saddle]

100hp 80 def is the base i think(?) might be wrong

[polar canyon]

I like sash

[charred saddle]

if ur running sunny day, you can tailor the speed special attack to be above by one when tou want it to be boosted.

ie, 187 speed 186 sp atk

[polar canyon]

It doubles for not just allowing max max but to also live moves that actually would kill mane even with defensive investment

Sash is my favorite way to use it

[charred saddle]

that way you can have speed boosted with having high sp atk

lemme check the stats calc a bit

[polar canyon]

If both stats are the same it prioritizes speed

Not that it happens often with mane

I only know it because timid max max walking wake has equal stats

[charred saddle]

this way you have max sp atk, but still higher speed in case u want it to be boosted

[charred saddle]

random iirc

[polar canyon]

Nope it's speed

There's an order I can't remember rn but speed is top priority for it

[charred saddle]

179 179 sp atk speed, spA boosted (booster)

[nocturne holly]

Happy new years 🥳

[nocturne holly]

nope

it’s atk, def, sp atk, sp def, then speed in that order

speed is actually the least prioritized

[kind ember]

I’m confused on what you mean by that?

[nocturne holly]

so say all you’re stats are equal

you will always get booster atk since it’s higher in the list

what ever is higher on the list gets the boost if they’re equal

[nocturne holly]

ex. On the picture above, flutters speed and sp atk were equal
but since sp atk is higher on the list it gets the boost

[worthy vine]

Happy new year(est)❗️❗️❗️

[mighty stump]

Stats go in order of Atk Def SpAtk SpDef Speed

And it gets checked in order

[bold geode]

Happy New Year to y'all from the CST

[craggy swan]

Happy New Year y'all

[kind ember]

Would 3 grass types be too much with Amoongus, Whimsicott, and Rillaboom?

[bold geode]

Here's to another year of random fucking topics in the comp chat

[craggy swan]

[golden tulip]

another year of mold breaker hawlucha activating weakness policy on contrary serperior

[bold geode]

Why are you like this

[molten oasis]

Why are you like this?

[charred saddle]

peepeepoopoo

[bold geode]

Now this I approve

Anyways goodnight

[tired sage]

Leo Bububaba i…?

[wintry canyon]

Is Okidioge or whatever it's called good in VGC format?

[molten oasis]

It’s decent

[wintry canyon]

It runs HA, correct?

[charred saddle]

ye, usually guard dog, to proc off intimidates

[molten oasis]

Yes

[timber falcon]

I HIT 1300 ELO FOR THE FIRST TIME

LETS GO

[tough chasm]

A team with a 75% win I’ve been working on for VGC.

[timber falcon]

I know it’s got that win rate but why 4 grass moves on serpirior

3*

[timber falcon]

i say this a lot but this is the best team ive ever used. like im at 1370 elo rn this has never happend to me before

https://pokepast.es/fa10ea172fbdaf1f

[cyan smelt]

how come nobody is using iron leaves lol

[knotty mirage]

Probably because there nothing amazing about it

I mean comparing iron leaves too all new paradox is yeah

[mighty stump]

75% WR over how many games at what elo?

[tough chasm]

I have to look on my account

[deep portal]

I'm running a hyperoffensive team but i feel like my indeedee is wasting a slot
any ideas for a replacement?
https://pokepast.es/cf6e2a5ccb6d8115

[tough chasm]

1264

So my bad like a 59 % with 13 Wins and 8 Ls

[tough chasm]

I could change it for Serperior

[timber falcon]

dont take my advice too seriuosly but i feel like you could do with a nice special attacker

it can br only one but having dazzling as your ownly sp atck coverage doesnt seem right

[deep portal]

any suggestions?

I'm thinking of flutter mane, since its spa is so high

[mighty stump]

These sets need changing, and you need an overhaul of the dynamic

[deep portal]

but I'm not that knowledgeable in vgc so I'll take whatever yall tell me

[timber falcon]

yeah thats what i would add

[mighty stump]

You're lacking speed control and other priority options

[deep portal]

define speed control

[mighty stump]

Tailwind mainly, for HO

Unless its Trick Room

Im gonna take the paste and change the sets and teras cause theyre also all out of shape

[deep portal]

i dont feel like i need tailwind since most of my mons are trained in speed

i already suffer enough with trick room

[mighty stump]

You do.

Tailwind HO is one of the main archetypes that's going to be seen especially in early meta, i.e. Torn/Whims

Everything is going to outspeed this team quite easily.

[deep portal]

got it

do you have any suggestions for a tailwinder + special attacker?

[mighty stump]

I'll go over that in a bit

Im just going to fix these

[deep portal]

i thought of kilowattrel

not sure if he's good enough tho

oh wait i have an idea

maybe latios

it learns tailwind and has a high spa

[timber falcon]

how do you check your elo in pokemon showdown?

and what elo is a sign the team is succesful in the least

[tough chasm]

Wait till someone uses Taunt

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/b782f11a592b02dd
These are what your standard sets would look like.
Understand that anything in the 90-100 base speed is considered only average

• Urshifu needs speed control if youre running Band, but if it were to be choiced you would prefer to be running Scarf since itll be able to take things out like Chien-Pao, mainly Adamant. Tera Water to up the offensive pressure. Brick Break and Rock Slide needs to be changed for pivot power in U-Turn and CC for actual damage. You're not trying to play slow, you're trying to pick up KOs.
• Ogerpon is fine but needs pseed control and has the wrong nature, it should be Adamant. Thought I fixed that but the change didnt register.
• Dragapult is only mainly running Dragon Darts with Choice Band. Alternative Dragon STAB is Outrage to just pick up a KO. U-turn and Phantom Force for pivot and STAB yet again due to choice and Tera Blast Ghost is mainly used for KOing Flutters naturally through Tera. No defensive Tera is needed here unless you want to go Tera Steel which doubles offensively into Fairy types as well. Again, you're trying to pick up KOs here.

At this point I'd already be recommending you run Chien-Pao due to the high physical nature of the team plus gives you added priority options.

• Weakness Policy Kingambit is not a good choice, especially due to one of itx weaknesses being x4, you're never really getting it off. Speed for Turbogambit is fine but you still need some form of speed control i.e. Tailwind or Icy Wind or even T-Waves.
  Swords Dance set would be running double dark move with Protect and Swords Dance

• Landorus-T does not have the bulk to run Leftovers and definitely does not fit with the overarching gameplan of the team, again, you're not trying to slowplay at all here. Standard offensive set (and honestly the only good one) would be Choice Scarfed or MAYBE AV.

• Indeedee-F's job is a redirector, it shouldn't be using it's turns to set up Screens since you're also getting little value out of them if theyre not going first like Prankster Screens. Trick Room would be one of the main moves due to it being able to beat out Tailwind mirrors instead, however here you're rarely clicking this move. Its EVs were also all wrong, since you always prioritise HP investment first over defenses since HP investment coverrs "both offensive types". The only time you invest in Defenses first is when theres a large gap between the base HP stat and the base defense/spdef stat.

@deep portal

Imo, Kingambit/Indeedee can go

[deep portal]

give me a second to read that

[tough chasm]

Taunt is going to kill that Tailwind

[mighty stump]

You run Torn and Flutter Mane as premier HO choices

[timber falcon]

not if you fast

[deep portal]

what about prankster

[timber falcon]

whim and torn have prankster

[mighty stump]

You can also alter Dragapult to add Chien-Pao, or alternatively you forego Speed Control and go for Priority with Entei/Dragonite paired with Chien-Pao

[timber falcon]

whimsicott to my knowledge is the fastest prankstermon

[mighty stump]

Lando-T is also wrong nature there, its meant to be Adamant

Imo, if you're new, you should probably just check the pins for a HO style team in the repository and also visit VGCguide.com, alongisde Pikalytics to ease things in

And also help familiarise what standard sets are

[timber falcon]

is there a way to do this without battling?

[mighty stump]

Just click your name

[deep portal]

kk, I'll look for those later

[mighty stump]

You;re currently 1425 but that GXE is not great

But the elo is decent

Im not sure how many games you're at overall though.

[timber falcon]

gxe?

[mighty stump]

% likelihood to win against a random opponent

[deep portal]

okay so

what are your suggestions for replacements

I'm thinking of latios for a special attacker

[mighty stump]

Here

[mighty stump]

Here.

[deep portal]

oh ok

[mighty stump]

Latios isn't going to provide the immediate speedd control pranksters can due to dynamic speed

[deep portal]

fair enough

[timber falcon]

ah ok, i may thing the reason for that is cause of the amount if random reams i spammed into vgc. whilst the team i brought in yesterday got me up 300 elo

[mighty stump]

Good job

[timber falcon]

ty

[mighty stump]

You can probably do a more accurate GXE check using an alt

Since thats what most people do

[deep portal]

what tera would you recommend for flutter?

[mighty stump]

But if you can reach the elo with a lower number of games + maintain a 60%+ GXE thats already pretty successful

Then id move on to Bo3 stuff

Which, you dont have to, if you dont plan on competing

[mighty stump]

Fairy

Mainly

Offensively

Shedding the Ghost-typing is also good

[timber falcon]

Idk why I never thought of doing alts

[deep portal]

k

what item would you recommend for tornadus?

@mighty stump

sash?

[mighty stump]

Covert Cloak/Rocky Helmet/Focus Sash, with differing EVs for each

Pikalytics/Pokestats can give you this information too

[deep portal]

okay

[mighty stump]

Rocky/Covert Cloak would be defensive

while Sash is just 252/252 Spe/Spa

[deep portal]

k

[mighty stump]

Rocky's standard is max max HP Def

I run the same for Covert

[summer shore]

@mighty stump hi touf

[deep portal]

https://pokepast.es/dcee4ba7f80fc307
@mighty stump

is this better?

[mighty stump]

You're missing Ghost STAB on Flutter Mane

[deep portal]

oh ok

[mighty stump]

Coverage isn't "as" important if you don't have any true walls. Neutrals sometimes hit as hard as some coverage moves

[deep portal]

ok

i changed energy ball for shadow ball

anyway, tysm for the help

i hope you have a nice day

[bold geode]

Monke

[summer shore]

Shiro

[bold geode]

You caught on lol

[wild cairn]

@bold geode Is this a good build for TR granbull

Granbull (F) @ Muscle Band
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Curse
• Play Rough
• Crunch
• Close Combat

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-omfg-oh-my-sweet-jesus-sweet-jesus-oh-my-gif-4946454

[bold geode]

I'm not sure

Dillon do you know

Wait nah I can say one thing
You want Protect instead of Curse

[next stump]

if you're playing the storyline sure its fine hahaha

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 210: Granbull

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Intimidate, Quick Feet, Rattled (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/120/75/60/60/45

Total

450

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[nocturne holly]

Muscle band😭

[dapper crag]

Item: Muscle Band

Holder's physical attacks have 1.1x power.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[nocturne holly]

that’s not the sauce

[mighty stump]

If you want a better damaging item i'd just run Life Orb.

If you get a ground move, it might be better against fire types

and poison types

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/lurantis.gif

[summer shore]

@bold geode Hello, MonkeVGC.

[bold geode]

@summer shore hello shiro

[summer shore]

You failed the punctuation.

[bold geode]

I was never good in English class

[molten oasis]

Vgc players just aren’t good in English

Anyway

On av kingambit would Tera blast be better than low kick if I do like, Tera fairy or flying?

I like the idea of fairy for shifu and hands

[bold geode]

Possibly yeah

[cyan smelt]

how much does heavy slam do to you

[molten oasis]

Not much

[cyan smelt]

what about sludge bomb

[strange fjord]

how heavy is kingambit?

[molten oasis]

156+ Atk Iron Hands Heavy Slam (80 BP) vs. 188 HP / 4 Def Tera-Fairy Kingambit: 86-102 (43.2 - 51.2%) -- 3.1% chance to 2HKO well

That’s decent damage

I win the fight with Tera blast

[strange fjord]

But its basically a 3hko

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[strange fjord]

unless they get some chip

[molten oasis]

It’ll die to sludge bomb from lando I

[strange fjord]

what about neutral earth power?

[molten oasis]

Wait

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Tera-Poison Landorus Sludge Bomb vs. 188 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Tera-Fairy Kingambit: 172-203 (86.4 - 102%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

Av kingambit is goated lmao

[nocturne holly]

lando is fucking annoying

[cyan smelt]

lando is everywhere

[nocturne holly]

so much fucking damage

[molten oasis]

Same calc for earth power

[strange fjord]

lando i making a comeback

[molten oasis]

If we invest a little more

[nocturne holly]

latias countering it with Tera poison is pretty nice tho

[nocturne holly]

It was heavily under explored in reg d and e

[strange fjord]

fr

[molten oasis]

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Tera-Poison Landorus Earth Power vs. 188 HP / 80 SpD Assault Vest Kingambit: 166-198 (83.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Fucking worth

[strange fjord]

1 sneeze and kingambit is gone. but how much damage does kingambit do to lando back?

[molten oasis]

I can kowtow into sucker and win the 1v1

Unless I get low rolls I always win

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Bomb vs. 188 HP / 80 SpD Assault Vest Tera-Fairy Kingambit with Friend Guard: 84-99 (42.2 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO lmao

[nocturne holly]

how much does kowtow do

[molten oasis]

240+ Atk Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 90-106 (54.8 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Idk if they’re running bulk atm

Into sucker should usually kill unless I get low rolls

[nocturne holly]

you just can’t get chipped

[molten oasis]

sucker punch

[nocturne holly]

how does sucker matter

if gambit gets chipped lando I koes

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/lurantis.gif

[molten oasis]

ok dude nvm just shut down anything I get remotely excited about

The calc matters, if I can live that that’s huge

Yk flutters do the same fucking thing

They live a hit barely an either chip down or kill whatever hit it

[polar canyon]

Maybe it's because lando I won't always be there

Or can target yk the other mon for many reasons

Wrong reply

[polar canyon]

.

I think it's a nice calc

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2024695309 lmao the shut down

also what is considered low elo?

i wanna know if i finally passed that bracket

[timber falcon]

for vgc reg F

[molten oasis]

The value in something being able to live a hit is really good

[polar canyon]

Probably depends on who you're asking

If it's below me it's low and if it's above me it's high

[molten oasis]

1000-1300

[timber falcon]

W

[molten oasis]

You got something good?

[timber falcon]

curenttly at about 1450

[molten oasis]

Nice

[timber falcon]

new year hitting hard

[molten oasis]

Fr

[timber falcon]

was 1100 yesterday

[molten oasis]

Congrats

Keep it up

[polar canyon]

Anyone got one of those more offensive farigiraf sets?

I tried a timid one the other day and it's not perfect but it's funny to outspeed chien pao

[smoky hawk]

Stellar specs or fairy specs for flutter?

[polar canyon]

For specs you probably are gonna click moonblast more than once

So fairy I think

[smoky hawk]

Well maintaining immunity to fake out is kinda nice

[strange fjord]

but you dont want to waste your tera for a 1 time boost since you're specs

[polar canyon]

It's not a 1 time boost if you switch out then use shadow ball

But how often does that happen

[next stump]

for a tailwind team? or just in general

[molten oasis]

How?

[timber falcon]

i reccomend trick room

a trick room team with stab hypervoice and nasty plot

[tough idol]

I wanna know this too lol 😆 Paos base speed is higher than Farig with good nature

[nocturne holly]

I’m not fucking shutting it down lmao
I think it’s a good calc
you just have to be weary
that’s fucking all

[molten oasis]

Mmm sure sounded like it

[nocturne holly]

mk

[smoky hawk]

Fair enough. Stellar is probably better for booster manes

[bold geode]

What up

[strange fjord]

soon munchstats should be updated

for da new pokemon

[gentle notch]

Archaludon unkilllable

[strange fjord]

in like 5 minutes give or take

stamina archaludon is a wall fr

[bold geode]

Archaludon go crazy
But then Lando I exists so

[strange fjord]

there we go! munchstats updated for reg f

https://www.munchstats.com check it out

[bold geode]

Ain't no way Mane beating Incineroar usage

[strange fjord]

on higher ladder. not on lower

[bold geode]

Annihilape only 4.21% usage

[gentle notch]

I actually got bodied yesterday by Terakion(however you spell it) Whimsicott strat. I forgot about Justified