competitive_discussion

[mighty stump]

Rather than not having an ability after you kill a Flutter

[nocturne holly]

mhm

[dapper crag]

Move: Dragon Tail

If both the user and the target have not fainted, the target is forced to switch out and be replaced with a random unfainted ally. This effect fails if the target used Ingrain previously, has the Suction Cups Ability, or this move hit a substitute.

Type

Dragon

Category

Physical

Power

60

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

-6

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

Move: Trick Room

For 5 turns, the Speed of every Pokemon is recalculated for the purposes of determining turn order. During the effect, each Pokemon's Speed is considered to be (10000 - its normal Speed), and if this value is greater than 8191, 8192 is subtracted from it. If this move is used during the effect, the effect ends.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

5 (8)

Priority

-7

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[mighty stump]

Also

Like

[dull ibex]

hello again

[mighty stump]

You pretty much wanna almsot go 252/252 SpDef I think

[nocturne holly]

well

idk

[mighty stump]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 228 SpD Eviolite Duraludon: 148-176 (83.6 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

i'd almost just go Impish and double down

mmmmm

If Slam/BSwipe/TWave/Snarl

Wow this thing cannot go into Kingambit at all

or Lando-I

Although you do live Sandsear

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sandsear Storm vs. 252 HP / 228+ SpD Eviolite Duraludon: 148-174 (83.6 - 98.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[nocturne holly]

ima cook with lando i

[molten oasis]

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-clones-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-gif-21609842

[dire vessel]

Could anyone recommend changes to improve? https://pokepast.es

[orchid falcon]

Whats a good build for Archaludon?

[molten oasis]

You sent the wrong link

[tidal blade]

AV, flash cannon, draco meteor, electro shot, body press, stamina, and either tera fairy or grass

if you’re running rain with torn/pelliper

[dire vessel]

How do I send it again? It doesn't work

[cyan smelt]

screens archaludon is so bulky

[orchid falcon]

AV?

Also whats a pretty good EV spread?

[keen karma]

i like how the kubfu battle song is the swsh battle song

[tidal blade]

assault vest

and let me find my spread

[mighty stump]

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 220 SpA / 28 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Flash Cannon
• Draco Meteor
• Thunderbolt
• Body Press

[autumn vault]

Flutter mane urshifu lando T and ogerpon wellspring movesets

[molten oasis]

Click that

Should be something similar on computer

[molten oasis]

Can’t forget new balance tw setter Latias

[autumn vault]

Also hands

Brian hands

[molten oasis]

Brian hands

[autumn vault]

Brian hands being the greatest iron hands to ever exist

[orchid falcon]

Brian hands is the best

[golden tulip]

still mad snatch was cut such a cool move

[atomic mural]

i know no one in their right mind would run max SpD and max hp but i think this is very funny

252+ SpA Life Orb Protosynthesis Tera-Water Walking Wake Hydro Steam vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Protosynthesis Flutter Mane in Sun: 125-148 (77.1 - 91.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[bold geode]

Good job circling the button bro

[molten oasis]

Thanks bro

[gentle crag]

drayagedrago has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

[autumn vault]

It was a wasteland this chat an hour ago

Till now

[steady cove]

I'll make this chat a wasteland again if someone doesn't battle me with no switching allowed in SV.

[autumn vault]

You cant stop us all

[molten oasis]

Av Hydrapple got top 5 at a tournament

Hope reborn

[autumn vault]

Hydrapple underrated

Leakers super overrated (Khu and more)

Bug dragon is dumb as hell

[steady cove]

I have a better idea. We'll tell each other our 6 favorites, then we ban certain moves that make the game unfun.

[molten oasis]

Bug dragon is awful

[dapper crag]

- [Bug/Dragon]

Resists (0.25x)

Grass

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Fighting, Ground, Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Fire, Ghost, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Ice, Rock

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[molten oasis]

…

Why is it better defensively tf

[dapper crag]

- [Grass/Dragon]

Resists (0.25x)

Electric, Grass, Water

Resists (0.5x)

Ground

Neutral damage

Dark, Fighting, Fire, Ghost, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Poison

Weak (4x)

Ice

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[molten oasis]

Oh well being weak to bug is fine

And 3 1/4th resistances is better imo

Also powder move immunity is always nice

[late sigil]

Im getting confused on how to get parting shot on incineroar, any ideas?

[autumn vault]

ikr it was so stupid for people to think it would be that type when dipplin didnt

and khu aswell

dont trust leakers my friends

they have the power to get away from lying

[molten oasis]

Egg move

[autumn vault]

or mirror herb it onto incin

[molten oasis]

If it was bug dragon I think it just be unusable

[autumn vault]

agreed

bug is so bad its common sense

[molten oasis]

Offensively bug dragon does nothing for it

Defensively it just isn’t good

[autumn vault]

defensively yeah it does do something but not enough over grass dragon

gotta go, bye guys

[molten oasis]

Bye

https://pokepast.es/1343d317db67fb7e

[faint nest]

Archaludon might be an OU staple really good

[weak dune]

What have you been running with archaludon?

[faint nest]

AV set

Eletrco shot
Flash cannon
Body press
Dragon pluse

[scarlet zephyr]

Hi not sure where else to ask this but I'm looking for moveset advice for my gallade

Not for competitive but I just need it to run false swipes and the rest can basically be whatever

What tera and abilities etc do you guys recommend

[strange fjord]

For catching Pokemon?

or just in game use? like story?

[craggy swan]

anyone know whats the best mon for trick room?

[strange fjord]

Indeedee is a good trick room setter. can't be fake out'd bc of terrain

and gets good supporting moves with follow me and helping hand for after tr

[steady cove]

Anyone want to do a battle where we choose our 6 favorite pokemon and ban moves, abilities, and items on the other side?

[faint nest]

My Archaludon clutched my game on 1hp 😭

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/a23be034984f1ad0 ok, anyone at all plz throw things to put on here, I’ll take anything EXCEPT flutter

[fallen garden]

Dragonite or Iron Hands?

[molten oasis]

Hands won’t get av idk what dnite does for me

Like I’m assuming banded dnite

[charred saddle]

dragpult / RM seems fun

dragapult for ghost switch in

in case like drain punch to gambit

RM for acrobat, TW

[craggy swan]

I'm trying to use it with raging bolt so does thunderclap get affected by terrain as well?

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/257d2faa35301f1b I gave tf up

Hands is here with amulet

I can’t anymore I have to build a team in less than an hour

[craggy swan]

for what?

[strange fjord]

yes it does perhaps farigiraf instead for protection against priority

[craggy swan]

Alright

[molten oasis]

Tournament in game

[torn fossil]

What do you guys think? Keep

[next stump]

yes that’s good enough

[torn fossil]

[dapper crag]

Made a Sun Team with Walking Wake Gouging Fire Thundurus Incineroar Flutter Mane Ogerpon-Heartflame (some Rillaboom too)
Liking the dynamics so far. Gouging Fire + Incineroar shuts down a lot of physical attackers

Burning Bulwark + Breaking Swipe is a really strong combination of utility + chip damage

[warm slate]

I would LOVE to use Morpeko on a team for VGC Regulation F, I would greatly appreciate either original thoughts about how to use him best or feedback on this paste which I've been practicing with: https://pokepast.es/8c1962b1814b2226
Rather than run a tailwind user, I am hoping to use aura wheel, fake out, espeed on h-arc, and bullet punch metagross alongside icy wind from booster speed bundle to get speed control. Amoonguss helps Morpeko and Flutter get multiple attacks off and is useful against urshifu-rs and trick room (but I still seem to have a hard time KO'ing Indeedee @ Psychic Seed before they set up trick room, and with terrain my priority moves fail, so that is a matchup to look to improve).

[true niche]

wow

[edgy void]

anyone free to help me test out a new team

[smoky hawk]

He also won a regional earlier this year

I'm pretty sure many people are running raging bolt thunderclap

[keen karma]

???

why are you replying to that message so late

[edgy void]

hello?

[next stump]

bro responding to messages from 3 months ago 💀

[karmic temple]

LMFAOOO

[true niche]

im just checking the pins

[smoky hawk]

Idk ask discord why it displayed messages from 3 months ago when I opened the app

🤷‍♂️

My bad then

[radiant cloud]

Hey guys I’m new to comp play but in your opinion what’s the best way to ev train my Pokémon and what should I be looking for in their evs or ivs

[smoky hawk]

Best and fastest way is to use vitamins and feathers but those require lots of money 💰

Feathers you normally find in the water

You can also use power items which give +8 EVs to whatever EVs the pokemon drops. Check the pins, there's a new one about this

[radiant cloud]

Okay I read through some of it so now can I have second opinion to determine if my sylveon or zacian are any good?

[chrome knot]

zacian banned for comp

[radiant cloud]

Oh dang okay

[smoky hawk]

For offensive pokemon, max atk/sp.atk and max speed is common if it is fast

If it is slow, then max atk/sp.atk and max hp

But you can use hp, def, sp.def EVs to survive certain attacks

Use this damage calculator:
https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

[keen karma]

Man i lost to mdb

[bold geode]

Emmie
I'm 2-3 rn in tournament

[dawn crown]

where can i enter into tornaments

[bold geode]

Lemme

https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/657f8c759d9cfe6271ae1b3c/metagame
So if you're looking for online tournaments, this is a site. The link goes to a meta game for a past tournament, but the same site is where you can do so
As for irl regionals, those can be looked for via the Play Pokemon website

[smoky hawk]

This is helpful info. Incin above flutter as expected

[bold geode]

Bruh ok right so hold up you think that's crazy

[smoky hawk]

But I expected much more whims

[bold geode]

https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/6562303fa5f82e05ee56bf72/metagame
This is the current Tommy Tuesdays tour going on right now

Other than Flutter Mane, Incineroar is beating everything in usage by at least 20%

It's so fucking funny

[karmic temple]

We knew this day was going to come

[silver ravine]

Would a Farigiraf, Dondozo, Tatsugiri, Indeedee, and Armarouge team be overkill?

[smoky hawk]

What's the 6th? What do you mean by overkill?

[silver ravine]

Prob a fast fake out user of my own, but I doubt I'll need it. By overkill I mean I have two TR users who can shut down priority moves and set up a sweep.

[smoky hawk]

I see. Most people would recommend you choose either farigaraf or indeedee

If you want to use a popular fake outer like incin then ditch indeedee

[obtuse sequoia]

I've just started wanting to build a competitive team in scarlet or violet what kind of team does anyone recommend

[silver ravine]

This is my current team https://pokepast.es/6f6fc579bb1a4714

[chrome knot]

do not ditch indeedee if you are using armarouge

[smoky hawk]

Why hariyama? Hands and urshifu are the best fighting types currently

I'd replace pawmot's mach punch with fake out

[silver ravine]

Mainly for the fire orb and facade combo with normal tera

[smoky hawk]

We've just entered a new format that changes up the meta a great deal

Weather is a good way to go. Here's the new top pokemon:
https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/6562303fa5f82e05ee56bf72/metagame

[karmic temple]

If that’s the case do ursaluna instead since it gets stab on facade

[silver ravine]

You right. Thank you

[gentle crag]

striferealists has given 1 Gen Rep to chriscastiel

[craggy swan]

what kind of ev spread should I be putting on flutter and farigaraf

[smoky hawk]

Depends somewhat on the item for flutter

[craggy swan]

booster

[smoky hawk]

Farigaraf always max hp, I've seen many people go max def

Flutter EVs are so diverse from person to person

[craggy swan]

got it

[smoky hawk]

It's really tough for flutter

I'd at least try to live a chien pao ice spinner

[craggy swan]

gonna see if I can make one where it tanks a hit from, kingambit,chien-pao,archaludon and metagross

[smoky hawk]

Go with adamant chien pao sucker punch as a benchmark

That's my best advice rn. You'll live king's sucker punch too, unless it teras

If it teras, you have to tera to fairy or whatever to live it

[craggy swan]

fair enough

think I got one

[smoky hawk]

212hp 4def works, or you could put in more def and less hp

[vapid zinc]

what's your guys' opinion on what's a good group of pokemon a newbie to competitive can / should use?

like for example, should I just use my favorites who I know are good in competitions or go for more under-used ones?

[fallen garden]

WOW toxic stall is the least fun team i have played against in all of Scarlet Violet

[smoky hawk]

If you want to actually win games, I can show you a list of the top used pokemon and another link that'll show you teams that have done well in online tournaments from the past weekend

[vapid zinc]

that would be super helpful!!

[craggy swan]

Yep thats the one im going for

[vapid zinc]

my plan for regulation F is just to try and win as many as I can while still having fun

[smoky hawk]

K keep in mind that VGC has just entered a new format that has shaken up the meta noticeably. And nobody has quite figured out the best way to use the new pokemon

[vapid zinc]

Indigo Disk opened my eyes to how fun building competitive teams, EV training, etc. could be

[weak dune]

I’m trying to put my team together. So far I’ve got archludom, maushold, pelliper. How do I fill out my final three slots?

[smoky hawk]

https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/6562303fa5f82e05ee56bf72/metagame

https://victoryroadvgc.com/sv-rental-teams/

[smoky hawk]

If you like Maushold then consider annihilape. It benefits from beat up just like arch does. It also can counter incineroar. Water urshifu is great on any rain team

Then perhaps metagross or rillaboom if you want a fake outer

[vapid zinc]

watching their live stream on twitch so I can learn!!

[smoky hawk]

I do find it fun, even the team building part. It's like trying to solve a puzzle, or cracking a code. You want to know what pokemon are being used and how to confront them while maintaining synergy on your team

[vapid zinc]

gotcha gotcha

[smoky hawk]

In my case, I'm currently exploring my options for weather setters for sun. I have tornadus, whimsicott, torkoal, and even talonflame. They are not all equal on every sun team. Talonflame, for ex can use will-o-wisp. It also has feint to pick off sash users

[atomic mural]

92+ SpA Raging Bolt Thunderclap vs. 44 HP / 204 SpD Iron Bundle: 138-164 (100.7 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO i found the perfect special attack ev for killing iron bundle, tornadus, and urshifu

(obviously not all of these will have the same ev spreads, they will probably change to live from raging bolt)

92+ SpA Raging Bolt Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tornadus: 186-222 (100 - 119.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

92+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Thunderclap vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tornadus: 188-224 (101 - 120.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

92+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Thunderbolt vs. 140 HP / 236 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 222-264 (115 - 136.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

92+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Thunderclap vs. 140 HP / 236 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 174-206 (90.1 - 106.7%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

92+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Thunderclap vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 236-282 (134 - 160.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

it may help, it probably wont

im very dumb, have a good night

is tera steel raging bolt bad? im guessing it has something to do with urshifu becoming super effective aginst it

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 244 HP / 28 Def Raging Bolt: 192-228 (83.1 - 98.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[mighty stump]

Because Lando-I is jjst going to blow you up

[mighty stump]

100/76 lives this calc more efficiently

Im so confused where the calcs youre getting these thresholds from

[lofty tartan]

140 hp 236 sp Def Urshifu?

[keen karma]

?

[lofty tartan]

It's right in the calcs above me. Why are you pinging me with a question mark?

O.o

[keen karma]

Oh

I missed that

[charred saddle]

that much of spdef investment reminds me of the AV urshifu set hahah

[molten oasis]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Assault Vest
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 156 HP / 144 Atk / 84 Def / 68 SpD / 56 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Ice Spinner
• U-turn
  cough cough

[atomic mural]

Like I said, I’m very dumb i don’t know a lot about ev spreads except what evs do (bare minimum)

[keen karma]

Paotei is extremely strong

[weak dune]

Is greninja any good these days?

[atomic mural]

I think walking wake does really good into them right? You can just use hydro steam to melt entei (unless it has tera still) and pao dies to a flamethrower and with tailwind and a bit of speed investment, you can outspeed or am I just brainstorming a stupid idea because it sounds good on paper

[charred saddle]

[molten oasis]

Knowing my past performance the last few days it probably sucks

But idk, my confidence is at an all time low atm

[charred saddle]

oh u made this?

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

Lives thunderclap from LORB bolt

[charred saddle]

ic ic, iirc last time i saw AV was in poison tera

[molten oasis]

That’s prob the way to go tbh

[charred saddle]

tbh, i havent even seen any of the new mon

i just finished dlc 2 last 2 days

[molten oasis]

Getting this dragon to work hurts my head

[charred saddle]

the hydrapple?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1019: Hydrapple

Types

Grass/Dragon

Abilities

Supersweet Syrup, Regenerator, Sticky Hold (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

106/80/110/120/80/44

Total

540

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[charred saddle]

its slow as hell haha

[boreal mauve]

Error

The Move name you entered doesn't exist please try again

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The Move name you entered doesn't exist please try again

[charred saddle]

wtf? its a chance?

[charred saddle]

have u tried support set? its really tanky so ye + regenerator

fickle beam
energy ball
yawn / dragon cheer
protect?

yawn to work as amoonguss sub and pressure, dragon cheer for things like ogerpons crits

[molten oasis]

I have tried yawn

It works well enough

[boreal mauve]

High Horsepower

Base Power:

95

G-max Power:

130

Accuracy:

95

Category

Physical

Type:

Ground

Power Points (PP)

10

Priority:

0

In-Game Desciption:

The user fiercely attacks the target using its
entire body.

Technical Description:

Inflicts regular damage.

Other Properties:

Makes Contact
Affected by Protect
Not affected by Magic Coat
Not affected by Snatch
Affected by Mirror Move
Not affected by King's Rock

Provided by Nexus-Z

[stray dagger]

Anyone has a grassy glide Rillaboom

I need one but I don’t have the isle of armour dlc

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 779: Bruxish

Types

Water/Psychic

Abilities

Dazzling, Strong Jaw, Wonder Skin (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

68/105/70/70/70/92

Total

475

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[charred saddle]

if you have dlc 2, you can catch the pre evos

if not you might have better luck at getting it in #1112832566261731328 or #trading_sv

glide is a TM move to learn iirc so ye

[stray dagger]

Alr I’ll try thanks

[charred saddle]

goodluck

[obtuse sequoia]

Would you guys recommend a sandstorm team a snow team or water team

[mighty stump]

Rain but using Torn is common
Sand is eh
Snow is meh

Less of a full "Rain" team but you set Rain to your benefit.

[charred saddle]

archaludon is so tanky

holy hell it soaks so much

[cyan smelt]

behind screens it's a nightmare

[solid ravine]

arch with grimm

[obtuse sequoia]

So is weather as viable as I was hoping or no

[mighty stump]

Sun and Rain are your main ones.

Sand would probably be alright.

Snow is meh.,

[obtuse sequoia]

Ok thanks I'll look into a rain team

[charred saddle]

im thinking of clef + archaludon. stays on field + heal haha

doesnt even have to have the electro shot thing

just bonk bonk with flash cannon + pulse or meteor and body press maybe (if its stamina)

[mighty stump]

Did you see the first draft team I released or no?

[obtuse sequoia]

Who should I use a rain setter

[honest rivet]

I know I’m hella behind the curve on this but they gave incin knock off AND helping hand? wowwwww

[mighty stump]

Either Torn or Pelipper. Usually just Torn. Politoed is seen if you don't want typing overlaps

[honest rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-jessie-pinkman-breaking-bad-he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-5612942

[mighty stump]

But Rain teams aren't "true" rain teams

Its just Torn setting rain for either Urshifu or Archaludon or even Gholdengo

[charred saddle]

oh i havent seen any sets

in your blog?

[mighty stump]

No on twitter and in the camp

[charred saddle]

oh ye ye, not seen them yet. since i dont really like seeing spoilers before playing dlc 2.

now that i have finished it, im tinkering around with it now

ill take a look now

[mighty stump]

ill just send it

https://pokepast.es/bfeead9e83497152

[charred saddle]

oo

hmm with how the supports are i just feel its a waste not having set ups idk

[mighty stump]

Its pretty straightforward, when ladder first released I hit top 10

[charred saddle]

grimm + sinistcha

[mighty stump]

Yeah setup is fine, you can run Calm Mind Raging Bolt

You don't really need much set up

You can also run CM Prim over Urshifu

[charred saddle]

seems interesting
i tried a dumb set with bolt just now, tried copying around with the black glasses gambit set haha

magnet
calm mind
thunderclap
bolt
protect

its ass tho, once u meet dragon or ground

[charred saddle]

with CM prim then change flutter?

[mighty stump]

I just like Flutter/Urshifu because it gives me two ways to immediately delete Lando-I lol

And that's pretty important

[charred saddle]

oo yue ye

lando I is everywhere now i feel, at least with games ive played

[mighty stump]

Its good

Rn im paused at 1520 or so on ladder cause I need to get this blogpost out

[charred saddle]

oo
will be waiting

[cyan smelt]

bo3 ladder is a struggle for me atm

[mighty stump]

Are you finished with the team conceptually?

Its fine to do Bo1 stuff first

Bo3 is good practice + to iron out final problems

[cyan smelt]

i worked on it with bravado, i'm not sure about it

[mighty stump]

I see

[cyan smelt]

i might replace feraligatr with urshifu and see how i go

[whole ibex]

Hey do y’all feel about Sylveon over Prim?

I feel like you can make a case for it.

[placid thorn]

It'll probably go better

[mighty stump]

Why are you using Feraligatr in the first place

[cyan smelt]

i wanted to see if it was any good

[karmic temple]

Hey wait I also want feraligatr to be good

too bad it’s speed and bulk are lacking

https://pokepast.es/629114beb6e13f26

Not sure if I like hands on this team but can’t think of who to replace him with

[bold geode]

Good morning

[karmic temple]

Actually maybe okidogi might be good for it

Does guard dog proc on parting shot to give a +1 on it or is it only intimidate?

[mighty stump]

It's only Intimidate

[karmic temple]

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump im stuck at a wall

[bold geode]

Then quit clinging on Spider Man

[mighty stump]

Wdym

[chrome knot]

im playing bad but my opponent is playing worse and its a little demotivating bc i wanna learn

[mighty stump]

Mood

[bold geode]

Damn

[chrome knot]

im winning but im not learning

[bold geode]

Felt that

[mighty stump]

Time to climb

There has to be something going on if you're not climbing either. Have you saved your wins and reviewed whether or not you could have won more efficiently too?

Or you can just relax for the New Years and see how things play out

What do you mean by winning and not learning? Is it truly that clean of a 4-0 sweep?

[chrome knot]

i just need to learn to play more conservative

like this game i just play terribly

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2021728926-q5c6ea9pos3buqt055wrjl50ia5iacjpw

[mighty stump]

Do you know what was going wrong here or

[chrome knot]

i just feel like im misplaying if my opponent had any brain i just lose, on terrain ending turn i couldve just recovered on lati there was 0 fear so she just dies for no reason

flutter will never not be 1st in turn order

[mighty stump]

• Losing Kingambit so early sucked, Protect scout or Incineroar switch in might have been better for you. I don't necessarily disagree with Sucker Punch assuming you're only Dark move.
• Turn 2 when Incineroar came in I would have just straight up Flare Blitzed + Recovered which could have just removed Flutter Mane immediately.
• Turn 5 I don't particularly like the Latias switch out only because the damage onto Flutter was kinda upsetting, and if Rillaboom just Glided you probably would have lost. If Terrain as ending i'd have just sac'd tbh

It was alright to set TW which also helped guarantee not havign to deal with a speed tie

That Porygon did too much work early on too.

[chrome knot]

lot of brain i dont have

[mighty stump]

Also ngl, Waterpon barring Rillaboom would have been great here

[dull ibex]

Hello

[mighty stump]

Yellow

[chrome knot]

unfamiliar with team and reg thats my excuse

i need prog to babysit me again

[bold geode]

I'll babysit you

Trust

[charred saddle]

come babysit me monke

return to monke

reject humanity

[dull ibex]

🤨

[bold geode]

My philosophy

[charred saddle]

🐒

[autumn vault]

🐵

[chrome knot]

no im okay

[bold geode]

[mighty stump]

@bold geode did you know theres a restaurant here called Five Monkeys

[keen karma]

What does it sell

[mighty stump]

Hamburgers and Hot DOgs

[cyan smelt]

yum

[dull ibex]

Vc?

[mighty stump]

iab

[dull ibex]

Cringe

[keen karma]

That sounds exactly like a place called five guys

Interesting

[charred saddle]

enak

[mighty stump]

Enak? Gw mau coba

Pog

Good to know

[charred saddle]

yg gw coba di PIK, gtw tempat lain

but its very good haha

[mighty stump]

Gw kemaren pertama kali ke PIK sama pacar dan nyokapnya

Kepanasan tai

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

Di PS baru buka kalo gk salah

[charred saddle]

senayan? PS apa

[mighty stump]

Plaza Senayan

[bold geode]

WHAAAAAT

[charred saddle]

oo

have fun there

[charred saddle]

very good branch in indonesia

[bold geode]

FIVE MONKEYS IS IN YOUR CITY?!

[charred saddle]

ye

hahah

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

[bold geode]

Holy shit

BBQ BACON CHEESEBURGER OMG

@mighty stump why have you kept this revelation from me

[mighty stump]

What do you MEAN

[bold geode]

This is big news sir what do you mean

[karmic temple]

https://pokepast.es/936d48620c2f5d85

I’m liking the team so far but I haven’t really brought hands at all in my games. Any suggestions on what to replace him with?

[mighty stump]

Bolt

[dull ibex]

im gonna start the vc

https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1189947947555749918 if anyone is interested

[karmic temple]

I considered it, but do you think having 2x dragon types is a downside?

[mighty stump]

Tera

[karmic temple]

Slay thanks

[bold geode]

I will say even with tera, two Dragon types can suck at times, but you can still play around it

Also I see a GOOD number of Dragon Incineroar

[astral gazelle]

Y would having 2 dragon types suck?

[bold geode]

stares in Flutter Mane

[astral gazelle]

Yeah flutter needs 2 be removed

[near smelt]

Hey wanted to use Rock Ogerpon with Talonflame. Is there good pokemon to pair that with it? I also wanted to use Weavile since it got triple axel back and knock off also one of my favorites thoughts?

[bold geode]

I mean sometimes my preferred thing (mainly rn cuz of mechanic) is having something that can work off a Dragon Tera defensively
Dragon can be a good defensive tera on the right mons for sure

[bold geode]

Talonflame is like basically outclassed by Tornadus rn so

Although I haven't used Talonflame in a minute so I can't really speak much on what to do now

[near smelt]

I mean gale wings puts it in higher priority. For a turn and Rock Ogerpon can have ivy cudgel ready or a redirect

Talonflame also can learn upper hand ~~for some reason ~~ so I was going to put that with it in case fake out

[bold geode]

Just Brave Bird
Tailwind is just +1 with Gale Wings

[bold geode]

You just Cloak Ghost tera lol

[near smelt]

Idk if I would waste a tera on it though?

And Tornadous is also plus one but will beat it out in speed no?

[bold geode]

Cloak means you won't flinch
Ghost tera is if you just don't want to get hit by it in general

[near smelt]

I would think upper hand would if I wanted to run goggles no?

Incin a thing now so I think packing it wouldnt be a bad idea

And it could be enough to get off the board with rock oger

I think it could work, I would have to test it

[mighty stump]

https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofutable6

Wrote up sets for 13 Pokemon in Regulation F

[bold geode]

Idk I've just always seen Cloak unless it's offensive beak

[bold geode]

Oh it's done now

[near smelt]

I think cloak is good for sure. But other options since it learns upper hand

[bold geode]

Tbh idk if Upper Hand there is even worth it

The one Pokemon I see that has nice Upper Hand consideration is Okidogi

[near smelt]

I think it might be with a lot of fake out mons appearing

[bold geode]

Or Blaziken if you need a real niche pick

[mighty stump]

Went at it for 2 days

[bold geode]

Farigiraf, Indeedee

[mighty stump]

Straight

[bold geode]

Ok me give read later

[mighty stump]

I had a bit of help since I used a couple of publically availabel sets

But I had to calc out like multiple sets for this

So

It was definitely time consuming

[bold geode]

Now is Annihilape on the list?

[mighty stump]

No

Lol

[bold geode]

Then it's invalid

[mighty stump]

Ok

[dull ibex]

we move

[mighty stump]

I can join VC iab

[dull ibex]

based

[mighty stump]

I can finally relax a bit

[bold geode]

Honestly tho
I wish I could calc an Annihilape set
I'm just using the default damage calculator spread cuz like
If it ain't broke

[polar pike]

What's the point of running icy wind on flutter mane? I can only see it being useful if moonblast and shadow ball are not very effective while icy wind is super effective

[bold geode]

Speed control

[dull ibex]

monke stop championing anihilliape so hard

[polar pike]

Ohh

[bold geode]

Fuck you it's good

[near smelt]

I can just one shot the indeedee no?

[polar pike]

Don't need speed control when you're killing everything in one hit /hj

[dull ibex]

you are being annoying about it

[bold geode]

Not necessarily
Indeedee can be bulky AF

[dull ibex]

this is rockerpon 2

[bold geode]

Maybe don't do that when someone's tryna get advice

[dull ibex]

I did it before sooooo

[dull ibex]

with what mon? sorry

[near smelt]

Talonflame

Also it's all good

[dull ibex]

nah indeedee is too bulky

[karmic temple]

Babe wake up the new blogpost from Tofu is here

[near smelt]

Faragiraf kind of halts all prio so 🤷🏽‍♂️
Indeedee fair

[dull ibex]

oops wrong ping

[dull ibex]

btw the being annoying about it was aimed at monke, no idea why my discord replied to you so my bad for that

[bold geode]

On the opposing side

[mighty stump]

Toxic Red

Wow

[dull ibex]

LETS GO

IM TOXIC WOOOOOOO

[near smelt]

Yeah. But I can still counterplay I feel like.

Or can come up with some answers

[bold geode]

Red don't make me whoop your ass boy

[dull ibex]

stop being annoying about ape monke

also you can try, but you wont succeed

[near smelt]

Since it's two slots left.
But it could answer some of the new threats appearing.

[bold geode]

Honestly if you want Rockpon sauce
I can't give the team, but Rockpon with Psyspam goes fucking hard

[dull ibex]

doyle might be able to help do something with rockerpon

[near smelt]

I wanted to use Meowstic too and Weavile

[dull ibex]

are you in doubles?

[near smelt]

Mhm

[dull ibex]

I dont think those mons work too well in vgc

[bold geode]

Nah bruh

[mighty stump]

Meowstic is funny

gets Prankster Psy Terrain

[dull ibex]

and screens yeah?

[near smelt]

Yeah I think it could serve some use

Especially with prankster

[dull ibex]

nah not really tbh other then being a meme

you are better off with indeedee for psy terrain

and other mons do prankster better

like whim 🥺

[near smelt]

Idk if I agree with that
I think it's under explored

[dull ibex]

I mean, like use whatever you want but its not very good

[mighty stump]

No, it's definitely like

Better off

A prankster setting Psy-Terrain is somewhat self limiting

[dull ibex]

there are some mons that just not that good

[bold geode]

Meowstic has Prankster?

[mighty stump]

It's just a funny idea

[dull ibex]

yeah meowstic has prankster

tofu is meowstic the ptsd eyes mon

its not

[near smelt]

Yeah other stuff can make it work than pay spam

[mighty stump]

Some things are good enough to satisfy a player to have fun with and some things are truly considered good in the eyes of the metagame, sometimes the distinction does need to be made

[mighty stump]

Yeah, but what else does Meowstic actually do. It's about the execution of everything as well, how consistently can it perform against a wide variety of situations i.e. the metagame

[dull ibex]

espurr is the one with the weird eyes

[chrome knot]

autistic cat

[craggy swan]

should be running tera fairy on farigarf and modest?

[mighty stump]

and most things aren't underexplored if a large group of experienced players know what it does and what it can do and don't consider it an option

Since some of these mons aren;t new

Some of these have existed for a while now in previous generations without attaining results

and thats for a reason

[near smelt]

Screens
Fake Tears
Thunder wave
Helping hand
Fake out

I mean that's some 😮

Yawn

[mighty stump]

Grimmsnarl
Whims
Thundurus
A lot of things, and Incineroar
Incineroar

[nocturne holly]

budget Grimmsnarl

[dull ibex]

ok grimm, whim, incin, cover those roles better

sorry tofu you got this

[mighty stump]

Again, some tools are widely available, and some of them are fine to run, and I'm not saying its complete trash

I'm just saying its a very rare case that something is genuinely "underexplored" like Lando-I the entirety of Regulation E was

Viable doesnt mean good, it just means useable

and useable doesn;'t mean splashable

And the "good" is subjective

Like can someone be happy they used a favourite or a quirky pick? probably

Especialyl if youre a good pilot

[keen karma]

Did any of you guys see the results for the tourney yesterday

Great tusk got top 30

[mighty stump]

Yeah, 14-0 result is crazy

[near smelt]

I am not disagreeing with you but it does feel like often times thing can be the case. And if I find out yeah it doesn't work and I learn from it shouldn't that be enough?

[mighty stump]

My current team is similar to it and im like damn

[keen karma]

Pengy is insane

And so is paotei

[mighty stump]

That's completely up to you

But most experienced players will give across the board advice

Since the piloting experience will differ massively

and it may impact your overall VGC enjoyment

Without understanding some of these truths

[near smelt]

To me it is. 😮
I mean I feel like I would have fun with VGC finding things that work for me and okay with the struggle of it

And yeah I am willing to learn to pilot

I just may not know how somethings can work so asking of maybe solutions that aren't full proof but a lead may help

[dull ibex]

you do need to have limits though imo throwing any and everything at the wall has consequences

not saying meowstic is one of those btw

[near smelt]

I was about to say like I'm not asking to use Magikarp or Lanturn lol

[mighty stump]

This is also coming from someone who features nicher/different picks; I know the struggle

[near smelt]

I understand there is a give or take in using niche picks

[mighty stump]

What team are you after anyways

What are you trying to run

[near smelt]

I wanted to run Ogerpon Rock with Talonflame. And find stuff matching with it. Or are you meaning team comp wise.

Complimenting I had ideas because of what I think the comps meta deviating towards but again

[mighty stump]

Rockpon is fine for HO since it gets free sash but why Talonflame

[near smelt]

It could be easy as use Urshifu Flutter and maybe Paradox Raikou

[keen karma]

I never realised how hard of a mu paotei was until yesterday

They were kicking my ass

[mighty stump]

Paotei is goated

[keen karma]

I got 6-4 which i dont think is the worst for my first tourney altogether

[near smelt]

I chose Talonflame because it is fast I do get plus one tailwind and paired with Ogerpon it could do well against Whims, Tornadous and maybe push back incineroar a bit or at least have some counterplay. I saw it also got upper hand so mons trying to fake it out I do got an answer for.

I'm not saying it's a best solution for all MU's

But there are solutions I feel around it

[mighty stump]

It definitely doesn't do well against Tornadus or incineroar

and you end up having to equalise Tailwinds into Whimiscott on Turn 1 since you don't have a true Prankster

[near smelt]

I mean well paired with Rock Ogerpon not by itself

[keen karma]

I love talonflame but it just doesnt get kills

The only thing its really gonna be doing is setting

[near smelt]

Also I would outspeed it in general if I just want to take it out 😮

[mighty stump]

What would the set look like? Upper Hand/Brave Bird/Tailwind/Wisp?

You can deny Fake Outs with Quick Guard and into other Prankstes you can;'t deny their move with Upper Hand since you lose yours

[near smelt]

With a brave bird

[mighty stump]

Like the flowchart doesn't add up

and Whimsicott runs Sash anyways

[near smelt]

How would I lose upper hand?

[mighty stump]

Due to the side slot attacking you lose out on Gale Wings, i don't necessarily care about Upper Hand if you're locked into clicking it to deny speed control and other stuff

[keen karma]

Tofu what is your opin on hitmontop

[mighty stump]

Also -1 252+ Atk Tera-Rock Ogerpon-Cornerstone Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 244 HP / 188+ Def Incineroar: 156-188 (77.6 - 93.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[mighty stump]

Meh

[near smelt]

One shotting incin would be a tall order no?

[keen karma]

Also when i faced mdb yesterday he ran stellar booster flutter

Why stellar?

[mighty stump]

Damage boost to everything since you have a favourable typing

I like Stellar tera on things that have good original typings and can output heavy damage

[mighty stump]

Sure, but even so, you're going to have to double Incin and letting the sideslot roam free when you could just, not

Plus, Fake Out isn't even the guaranteed move on Incin turn 1 depending on the board state

You clikc Upper Hand + Ivy Cudgel into Incin, sideslot like Flutter Mane hurts Talonflame and now you have 0 speed control

[near smelt]

I see.
I just thought they could cover each other well with weakness

[mighty stump]

Again, flowcharts just don't add up

Horizontal synergy is fine but that's not the main thing to focus on

[bold geode]

You see that Stellar Chien Pao?

[near smelt]

Okay, then what would pair with Ogerpon Rock then

[mighty stump]

I did, I like it personally

[near smelt]

I just know it's hard to find a one size fit all solution

[bold geode]

I'm kinda a fan of the classic Ghost, but Stellar definitely ain't bad

[mighty stump]

I see 0 problem with running Rockpon with standard stuff if you actually want to try and use unique picks

You just have to actually figure out how these things realistically function in the metagame and into matchups to piece together an idea

If you wanna slowly transition to a fully wacky team afterwards that functions because you now understand the metagame I can't say anything

[bold geode]

Yeah I've just seen Stellar Chien Pao and Stellar Archaludon so far

Saw one Stellar P2

[mighty stump]

But if you go different right off the bat its difficult to gauge what to really do and what really works

[mighty stump]

I ran Stellar Archaludon

It's funny

[near smelt]

I mean I try to, it nots like I don't research and try to put situations in where I can capitalize off

[bold geode]

It does look funny

[mighty stump]

Yeah but I mean, actually play the game

[near smelt]

I run calcs and see if it would be enough in some situations

[mighty stump]

Like actually ladder

[bold geode]

Also apparently Archaludon can be faster than 108 without TW

[mighty stump]

Calcs and theorising is good and all but doesn't matter if the calcs either are non-relevant or the board positions don't exist

[near smelt]

I'm trying to, just hard to on switch.

[mighty stump]

Archaludon is base 85

[mighty stump]

Use Showdown

[near smelt]

And if showdown, usually I want some basis because I could be new

[bold geode]

Yeah but I was a bit surprised when it outsped my Ape that's 108 final speed

[near smelt]

So hence asking

[mighty stump]

Wdym by new

[near smelt]

I know I'm not the well versed player because of exp.

[mighty stump]

I would treat it the same way as building a team on switch and playing on switch

Just view it like that

Don't worry about being new or whatever

Play the game

[dull ibex]

Vc is finally clear 😔

[mighty stump]

That's all really

[summer shore]

Shamone

Hee hee

[near smelt]

True, but I also usually have tons of questions

[bold geode]

Risho

[mighty stump]

Some of them may be answered during gameplay and when not, ask away

[summer shore]

Knmoe

[near smelt]

Okay. I do want a basis though before going on showdown.
Didn't really see what pairs with rockpon was all 😮

And curious about trying some stuff

Also don't know how to gauge on showdown

Don't really know a benchmark

It seems like the benchmark is can it consistently beat the top 15 mons in almost any situation. Which is a bit intimidating

[mighty stump]

Max max sets are fine

Tornadus for speed control

complete your defensive cores/offensive cores

[near smelt]

I only know of like ..

Two cores

[mighty stump]

Like if you really want to go that Tailwind mode

Its more of typing cores

FWG

Fantasy Core i.e. Fairy/Steel/Dragon

[near smelt]

And fairy dragon steel

I wanted to explore beyond those cores usually

And I have 😮

[mighty stump]

Like Incineroar/Urshifu/Rockpon/Chien-Pao/Tornadus would be Hyper Offense and would be something that has been run before

Chien-Pao and Rockpon both running "Focus Sash" can make for good closers

Rockpon also is a premier supporting piece for Trick Room

[near smelt]

So testing would be " Okay if I wanted to run Weavile and replace chien pao what and what could work"

One piece at a time

Instead of all at once

[mighty stump]

Kind of, also just understanding what matchups are naturally favourable for those niche picks and what holes youre going to need patching

If you dont want to run Incin, run H-Arc again, or Hitmontop, or Gyarados, and they fill the same Intimidate niche but have different considerations

[karmic temple]

10/10 blog post the bridge joke was great

[near smelt]

I had Hitmontop actually 😮

[mighty stump]

Lmao

[near smelt]

But you said it was meh : 😕

So I didn't think it would be viable

[mighty stump]

Yeah it's meh cause it explodes to Flutter Mane but you can still run it if you wanted to

Like i'm not here to dictate what YOU should run, jujst my own personal thoughts

and provide maybe some background as to why

and what to then consider if you choose to run said thing

[near smelt]

I see I see

[mighty stump]

Like you'd be so muhc more worried about Flutter with Hitmontop

But Hitmontop hard threatens Kingambit, isn't weak to Landorus-I

[near smelt]

So I would need something to check Flutter

Which... Maybe a tall order too haha

[mighty stump]

It also gets alternative utility moves like Wide Guard

So yes, you would need something to remove/be a switch in for Flutter Mane

[near smelt]

Since I don't really know mons to check it

[mighty stump]

And your tera considerations would be different

Like you wont be running Grass like an Incin but maybe Steel

Heatran can check Flutter

[near smelt]

Yeah steel would be good

[mighty stump]

Urshifu with Scarf can deal with the slower ones

[near smelt]

Metagross?

[mighty stump]

Having speed control in general or strong priority options

Metagross is one I detailed in my recent blog post that can delete most standard bulk Flutter Manes comfortably with Choice Band

[near smelt]

Sick

I have to go for rn.
But I will try tonight these sets for a bit before smash practice

[keen karma]

Its done?

[near smelt]

Thank you for the advice 🙇🏽‍♂️

[mighty stump]

Its done

[keen karma]

I might start running bulky offensive torn

But like bulky torn yesterday felt so underwhelming

No damage at all i need a new spread

[keen karma]

Can you send

[mighty stump]

Just pinned it

[atomic mural]

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 100 HP / 76 Def Raging Bolt: 182-216 (85.4 - 101.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO no?

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 76 HP / 100 Def Raging Bolt: 180-212 (85.7 - 100.9%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

[mighty stump]

1/16 is EV sparing and efficient

Cause it's not the singular calc you're doing

[atomic mural]

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 172 HP / 100 Def Raging Bolt: 180-212 (81 - 95.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

is that good? (i have enough in the other stats)

[bold geode]

They're selling a small plush of Grookey in this one store I'm in.....
For 40 bucks wtf

Like it's the size of like the $10 plushies in the Pokecenter

[nocturne holly]

Does latias need mist ball and Draco or just mist ball

[keen karma]

Just bought violet

[nocturne holly]

You already had scarlet?

[keen karma]

Yep

[nocturne holly]

W

[mighty stump]

Check blogpost in pins for a full set

[keen karma]

oh im for sure getting that 0 iv walking wake wow

im so ready

[coarse cypress]

I feel like an old man trying to use pokemon i like against all these new mon

What are your thoughts on scizor as a flutter mane check? I think it also covers chien pao pretty nicely, but i still struggle with iron bundle

[nocturne holly]

latias is gonna be fun to cook with

Latias incin

all three type cores are options tbh

Fwg, dsf, dpf

primarina looks good

wait would metagross work

double psychic? I need a paste lmao

[smoky hawk]

Are you running into screens often at all?

Metagross psychic fangs happens to be its best psychic stab

[keen karma]

Do we need to write a team report for rentals?

[nocturne holly]

I’m just brainstorming

https://pokepast.es/c028f602948615cb

[coarse cypress]

Nice

[mighty stump]

No, just notes

[coarse cypress]

What does freeze dry do to empoleon?

[dapper crag]

blow him up

tik tik tik tik boom

[coarse cypress]

If it’s iron bundle, empoleon probably will blow up

[lusty mountain]

Hey I need help with a team build

I think this team can end up being really strong competitive if I get things right

[timber falcon]

Guys what’s a better assault vest mon, iron hands or rillaboom?

[timber falcon]

Poison incinroar helps in 0 ways

Do water or grass

[karmic temple]

Send the poke paste (the actual link)

[karmic temple]

They’re both good depends on what your team needs/is lacking

[fallen garden]

STAB poison tera blast 🙂

actually does resist fighting, but you're better off going fairy there

[timber falcon]

Ground weakness??? And why would u need a poison Tera blast

[lusty mountain]

I can just say the mons names the movesets is something I know well it's just typings for the team to help keep it versatile

Hydrapple, Feraligatr, Metagross, Annihilape, and Larvesta

Got to evolve it soon

[timber falcon]

Im going for
Incin , flutter , latias , iron hands/rillaboom , whimsicott , irshifu single strike, would this team work?

Idk how to make teams with good chemistry 😅

[charred saddle]

IH, Rilla can run other held items like going for miracle seed

[lusty mountain]

Rill is also really strong if you got his hidden ability

[karmic temple]

You just want Tera types for them?

[charred saddle]

with ur team i feel rapid strike urshifu fits more ig?

makes the FWG core, incin rilla urshifu

[timber falcon]

Ok thanks, just couldn’t choose between the two

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1

[charred saddle]

oh ur only taking one of it

[karmic temple]

If you’re using latias for tailwind you don’t need whimsi

[charred saddle]

nah with that ill just stop, idk anything about latias

not familiar with it, so goodluck

[timber falcon]

I’m just worried they’ll pull out a prankster tailwind and take them out

[timber falcon]

Just some support with lots of bulk

[karmic temple]

It’s over kill imo to have two tw setters

[lusty mountain]

That works too I know Hydrapple would need Steel but I don't know the others plus I still need a 6th Mon so idk if I would go for someone Tanky or something to harm the opponents team since my team has some nasty hard hitters

[timber falcon]

My final design is
Incin , rilla , hands , smeargle , latias , flutter. This good?

Thinking of a faster physical though

[charred saddle]

i got little knowledge outside Reg E

i dont even know what smeargle is doing there

[timber falcon]

Choice scarf spore can easily cause a sweep if not dealt with properly

[charred saddle]

flutter incin rilla water ursh is solid i think

what

[karmic temple]

Are you doing doubles or singles

[lusty mountain]

Mostly singles

Doubles I'll just make a sand team

[karmic temple]

Ah I don’t have much experience with singles so I can’t be of as much help

[timber falcon]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking but my dumb ass got dark urshifu yesterday 💀

[karmic temple]

Wrong ping mb

[timber falcon]

This is for vgc

Oh nvm

[karmic temple]

That was for Demi yeah

[lusty mountain]

It still has Spore?

[lusty mountain]

Ah oof

[timber falcon]

Yeah

[lusty mountain]

Damn okay

[timber falcon]

I used to run the smeargle blaziken sweep but I can tell that is NOT work8ng in actual vgc lmao

[nocturne holly]

Resist flutter, resist fighting

it’s solid lmao

[timber falcon]

Though ima go for this.

[feral ledge]

https://pokepast.es/96868dfa5d91a6e4
Haven’t posted in a while but I’ve been running this team for online tournaments!

[timber falcon]

With good stats flutter isn’t doing much anyway, poison just isn’t a great defensive Tera imo. Water or leaf would do the trick, relying on its bulk is better

Remember landorus is still available

[lusty mountain]

Yeah I was gonna say what happens if it gets hit with a earthquake anyways?

[nocturne holly]

Yes it is

poison is a very solid defensive Tera

[astral gazelle]

Bring back d-max

[nocturne holly]

Ima switch to grass tho, prob better for incin

Poison is still a very solid tera

[timber falcon]

Yeah I just don’t think for Incin. Just me though

[viscid shoal]

Have you thought about a prankster mon for tailwind instead of latias? Looks great otherwise

[feral ledge]

Yes, was considering going back to Tornadus but Latias has been really good. Mist Ball and Ice Beam are solid coverage moves. Especially against Landorus-i

Cause Landorous i does check most of my team

[astral gazelle]

I remember in gen 8 latias loves to get oko by sucker punch

I haven’t ran the cals for these new mons

[viscid shoal]

Should be relatively fine just be cautious of flutter mane and kingambit

[keen karma]

This is the first time ive had titles of the same game

[viscid shoal]

Because you might wind up with turn 1 ohko on latias and have no speed control

[astral gazelle]

Yeah after turn 2 I would quit so far behind already

[karmic temple]

Well sucker punch wouldn’t kill latias using tw

[charred saddle]

hmm latias does get outsped by flutter so

[astral gazelle]

Even worse

[charred saddle]

110 base vs 135 base

[viscid shoal]

You have two supp to help it get tailwind up in incin and ogerpon as long as your opponent doesn't lead flutter or urshifu rapid

[astral gazelle]

Flutter food

[dull haven]

Popping in to say hello to comp friends, lol

[charred saddle]

hello khuja

[astral gazelle]

Or just run priority tailwind

[dull haven]

[karmic temple]

Hi hi

[molten oasis]

Hi Khuja

[charred saddle]

setting up TW isnt the always solution, you can also let them set TW, and its most likely a more passive turn for them

so you can bonk them, especially the TW setter

just then you set up ur own TW, staggering a turn

having an extra 1 tailwind turn is always nice

[dapper crag]

[Latest Gen] Latias

Breaking Swipe:

• As Latias from a TM, HM or TR

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[molten oasis]

I don’t think Latias should do swipe tbh

[nocturne holly]

Staggering tailwind is insanely useful

[nocturne holly]

just checking

mist ball
icy wind
Tailwind
Heal pulse

that’s what I’m going with

idk it has a shit ton of options

[dapper crag]

[Latest Gen] Latias

Snarl:

• Latias does not learn Snarl in Generation 9

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[viscid shoal]

I just think if I was playing against a latias and had Lando in the back like he mentioned I'd want it off the board before I bring it in

Overall as long as you play considerably around certain matchups it can definitely work in your favor

[molten oasis]

Hydrapple is on hold so, what do I use

I can’t suffer using it anymore

[charred saddle]

do iron boulder haha

mighty cleave. budget urshifu

[molten oasis]

That sounds generally worse

[charred saddle]

hHAHA

[karmic temple]

I BELIEVED IN YOU (and hydrapple)

Hydrapple is such a fun pokemon but every time I try and use it, just turns out to be doodoo

[astral gazelle]

Hydrapple is too good

[nocturne holly]

Latias has so many options

ima fill the slots before I choose the moves

[dapper crag]

[Latest Gen] Latias

Trick Room:

• Latias does not learn Trick Room in Generation 9

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[nocturne holly]

damn

[karmic temple]

Latias such a cute pokemon im glad it’s seeing such a resurgence

[molten oasis]

I said on hold

It’s not necessarily not something I’m going to not do eventually

I need the meta to settle more

[molten oasis]

I think iron boulder is good but I’m not playing with that awful typing

[charred saddle]

i dont like how the trio scarlet is dragon
and trio violet is psychic

makes flutter stonks

[molten oasis]

Well I think it makes sense as the swords of justice are all fighting types

[charred saddle]

oh look, weaknesses to fairy and ghost

[molten oasis]

The legendary dogs just don’t have a secondary typing

[charred saddle]

oh ye ye

[molten oasis]

Fair

I despise flutter

[charred saddle]

haha ik

[karmic temple]

If there’s one thing we should leave in 2023 it’s flutter

[charred saddle]

prob my reg F team will center around flutter

waterpon still feels nice for redirection purposes

[molten oasis]

My reg f team will be something alright

Idk what though

Might be gouging fire

[charred saddle]

sad that it doesnt get e speed

[molten oasis]

As that seems to be an off meta Mon atm

[charred saddle]

if it does, oh boy its bery annoying

burn protect + e speed haha

[molten oasis]

Entei and gouging fire are 2 different mons

[charred saddle]

yeah

[molten oasis]

They do different things

Idk man I’m trying not to become a meta slave

I’ll think of something

[charred saddle]

ye, goodluck tho

dont think too hard about it maybe, or youll burn out before even playing reg f

[autumn vault]

the piss and poop guy is speaking fax

[molten oasis]

I have to find something that fits my playstyle

[autumn vault]

you will, keep experimenting

[feral ledge]

The release of regulation F will give us more diverse Pokémon to use with more diverse strategies. Not everything will be funneled down to Tornadus, Urshifu, Fluttermane, and Iron Hands

[autumn vault]

raging bolt entering to clap watershifu and tornadus

https://tenor.com/view/ben-stiller-badass-walk-walking-zoolander-gif-15861491

[feral ledge]

Raging Bolt is stupid OP, one Calm Mind and it can OHKO a CS Fluttermane

[autumn vault]

hey atleast its here to make meta healthier like lando-t and incin's purpose

but that is very OP

[feral ledge]

Just excited for Jan 4th and Reg F being released on S/V so I can get back to the ladder and see how high I can go!

[polar canyon]

I think I wanna be funny and play smeargle

Spore fake out decorate gaming

[nocturne holly]

I want my reg f team to be latias

[autumn vault]

i want mine with regigigas weezing

not amazing but a legend with a super bulky thing is potentially broken

and the team is complete

and i am getting amazing results

[molten oasis]

Raging bolt isn’t op

It’s good. Fluttermane and urshifu are still better than it, Yk, the 2 most dominant mons rn

[autumn vault]

but not bad

[polar canyon]

It's good to have a new perfect counter running around for one of the most dominant strats in the game

[autumn vault]

it has thunderclap and can CLAP torn and shifu water

[autumn vault]

like what this fax speaking bonfire says

(its a joke ok)

(ik you are human, just the pfp and name)

[polar canyon]

I think that's a given

Or am I a bot

Ai powered chatbot experiment

[nocturne holly]

aren’t you Mr. Hydrapple

[nocturne holly]

Is Regigigas even legal

[plain cedar]

What moves should my giratina have for it to be competitivly good

[next stump]

Giratina is currently banned in SV competitive play

[molten oasis]

Shut up

Not anymore, I can’t handle it anymore

[tired sage]

:0
but hydrapple ;-;

[molten oasis]

I need the meta to settle more

I cannot

Keep throwing myself into hell for this while the meta is still forming

[dapper crag]

is follow me an egg move for magmar

wait

[autumn vault]

Yes, its an unrestricted legend, look for it in the eligible only list, you will see it

[next stump]

pretty sure

[nocturne holly]

so you can use it

[autumn vault]

Unrestricted mean allowed

[nocturne holly]

gigas js allowed?

[autumn vault]

I saw it in the eligible only list so he must be

[nocturne holly]

holy shit it is

[autumn vault]

With weezing you can see for yourself how busted they can be

[dapper crag]

does light clay work with trick room cuz i wanna be annoying af

[next stump]

no

no way to extend TR

[dapper crag]

aw man

[autumn vault]

Regigi-gagagagaga-gigagigagigaGa gagagagagaga 'annihilates hoopa unbound'

[charred saddle]

TR extender 😭

the day itll drop, is the day where torkoal and psyspam shine even brighter

[keen karma]

? Hoopa isnt legal

[autumn vault]

Regigigas is

I made the seizure regigigas noises

Hoopa is a mythical

Besides it would not be viable anyways

Regigigas is viable with weezing grafaiai or an ability changing move

[bold geode]

How much would Urshifu do against that

[vapid zinc]

pure power skill swap medicham with regigigas?

[bold geode]

Plz no

I've seen that shit
I hate it

[astral gazelle]

I thought all the regis were dead without d-max

Besides electric regi bro on a whole new tier

[next stump]

regidrago is better than ever, I think Registeel is a decent pokemon as well

eleki got worse, gigas got worse (I think at least), rock was pretty awful already and ice is a troll LOL

[thick geyser]

https://pokepast.es/6ee0871adc2bda25. Opinions on the team

[bold geode]

Let's see here

[next stump]

good team

that's pretty standard tailwind stuff for this reg

[bold geode]

So first off that's near a team our good friend Tofu ran
Lando I wants Poison tera and I think the cat likes Grass more tbh

Everything else looks good

[thick geyser]

Thx so i was thinking of a 4th move for rilla its bult ss a bulky attacker im replacing uturn

[timber falcon]

I would cry if I went against a team like that lmao I ain’t ready for that offense 😭

[thick geyser]

Wat are you running

[timber falcon]

Nah I’d fight but still. I have ptsd from sheer force landorus

Didn’t even know you could run sp atck lando untill like last week and I found out the hard way

[thick geyser]

Damn

[timber falcon]

Water Tera > grass Tera for Incin imo, water resists more things than grass. While grass resists ground more, Incin has the bulk to easily tank a neutral ground type move.

And I agree poison Tera the lando

[nocturne holly]

I like grass on incin

[timber falcon]

Whatever floats ur boat

[nocturne holly]

Imo Tera grass rilla
max out the glide damage

[nocturne holly]

Fr

[timber falcon]

Quite a risky move going with full offense rilla. Don’t forget sheer force lando is quite common, and normally run sludge bomb. You also have a fire type meta which shuts down grassy glide spam

[bold geode]

Spore Amoongus imo

[nocturne holly]

Also electro shot is kinda bait on archaludon
Something like t bolt would be used more
And since you’re stamina you should go for body press set
body press over d pulse

[bold geode]

Although water isn't awful

[nocturne holly]

it’s miracle seed

miracle seed rilla often wants tera grass

[timber falcon]

Spore amoongus not that common. And safety goggles is a common item for Incin to run

[bold geode]

?

Also Glide with Miracle Seed shit is fine lol

[thick geyser]

I am running b press

[timber falcon]

Yeah didn’t see seed that on me

[nocturne holly]

Not on the paste you sent

[bold geode]

The team itself is fine tbh just those two teras imo
Lando I gets Poison
Incineroar gets Grass

[thick geyser]

Ik i had to re check

[bold geode]

Grass also resists Ground, which Lando will click into Incineroar more than Sludge Bomb

As Earth Power OHKOs Incineroar unless an off chance that Incineroar is HEAVILY invested into Spdef

[timber falcon]

Incin can go either grass or ground. I just think there’s enough ground coverage to not worry about it so much as to change Tera for it

[bold geode]

Like I'm talking max max AV possibly

Ground Incineroar?

Honestly rn Grass or Poison is best
I might even look at Dragon too tbh

[timber falcon]

typo btw I meant grass

Anyway does someone have an ev set for fluttermane that doesn’t get obliterated by any physical move?

[bold geode]

I mean depends lol

Mainly you calc for Chien Pao on Flutter bulk, lemme

[timber falcon]

I think my main threat rn is bullet punch metagross. Gets me every time

[bold geode]

https://pokepast.es/776585a91c189cc1
Here's the bulk calcs needed for Chien Pao calcs
Got 4 different ones

Note that some stuff, such as Bullet Punch Metagross, will require a defensive tera. I like Water or Grass personally

But Fairy is still good

Also other things can help the lives such as damage mitigation

[timber falcon]

By the way should I rely on natural bulk for flutter?

Sp def wise

Also thanks for calcs

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/c028f602948615cb

[bold geode]

Flutter is very high Spdef wise, so 4 just to give it a stat point and to make sure no EVs get wasted. But yeah most people tend to do just 4 Spdef on Flutter

[nocturne holly]

what could I add
All three type cores are still options

I want a steel type, was thinking of metagross but that’s double psychic