competitive_discussion

[mighty stump]

To even attempted backseat moderating

[autumn vault]

Sorry

I just find it so weird

A status move on a choiced pokemon

I do apologize if i caused trouble

[mighty stump]

Then say that and maybe approach the topic with an open mind rather than saying misguided things

[keen karma]

wait actually

whims can run misty

instead of cotton spore

[autumn vault]

I just never saw it

And flutter does do good against an armarouge

[next stump]

not really, they just click follow me and you're dealing resisted damage with gleam

[autumn vault]

Yeah but outside of follow me, then yes but i see what you mean

Follow me is a very good move

I am just not going to question any weird choices and maybe i should have done it before

[keen karma]

wow so many of the people that i watch are going to the charlotte regionals

[autumn vault]

Well they do need 300 CP for 2024 championships

[smoky hawk]

Wolfe is going to Charlotte. Wish he'd go to Portland so I could meet him

[next stump]

charlotte is dirt cheap

I think that's partly why

[keen karma]

i feel like magma storm heatran needs to run av

[fervent raven]

Should I make some adjustments to my singles team? https://pokepast.es/fe6d26eb51ce1418

[smoky hawk]

All the pros are going to take notes on Portland since it is the first for Reg F

[next stump]

AV or lefties IMO, life orb is bad on it

[keen karma]

im thinking av to run tera + flash cannon

and heat wave

[nocturne holly]

no

heat wave+magma storm isn’t worth on AV

[keen karma]

why not?

oh wait yeah

[nocturne holly]

you’re better off running lefties at that point

[keen karma]

ep

right?

[nocturne holly]

Av is used usually when you really want flash cannon and Tera blast

magna storm/heatwave and ep are required on heatran

[keen karma]

yeah thats what i want mostly

so ep fc magma storm and tb

[nocturne holly]

av works then
but you don’t want the double fire imo

[nocturne holly]

Yea that works

[astral gazelle]

Real question here

Would grimsnarl be better then Incin?

[keen karma]

do you remember where the stat bumps are again

[astral gazelle]

Since grim has prankster parting shot?

[next stump]

different roles

incineroar is more of a pivot pokemon

grimmsnarl is there to be led and set up screens

[astral gazelle]

Yeah because of intimidation right

[next stump]

yes

[nocturne holly]

Nope
I’m shit at evs

[astral gazelle]

Just wondering

[keen karma]

dyk where the stat bumps are?

[astral gazelle]

Yeah nvm ur 💯 % right they do have different roles

I think the yes was answering me maybe

[keen karma]

ik im just asking a question

[next stump]

for heatran?

[keen karma]

yeah

[next stump]

+236SpA

is the second bump

[keen karma]

wtf

[next stump]

+76 first bump

[keen karma]

ig im going 76

actually no its good now

[nocturne holly]

How do you figure out the bumps

do you just calc them yourself

[keen karma]

you check showdown

and you keep moving the slider until the stat points goes up by 2

but i kept missing it over and over

[near crag]

Hey, I'm trying to build a eiscue team, but I don't have a clue on where to head. I have a eiscue and a galarian slowking, and that's absolutely it. Any ideas?

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/good-luck-gif-24090093

[astral gazelle]

Belly drum on the penguin

& a Pokémon who can set snow over and over again

[keen karma]

how do you guys feel abt uturn on whims

for pivot

[dull ibex]

useless

[keen karma]

what 4th are you running then

[dull ibex]

tailwind, moonblast, protect, taunt/faketears/encore

[keen karma]

oh makes sense

https://pokepast.es/a8de8b8dd7fe520a opin on hitmontop on this team or incin for FO support

or rilla

[mighty stump]

Incin + Heatran plays really awkwardly though cause of the overlap

[keen karma]

yeah

thats why im considering hitmontop or rilla

[keen karma]

hitmontop could completely wall psyspam mu's too

which is cool

unless its armor cannon armarouge

or rilla which makes misty terrain kinda pointless

or just no FO at all

[dull ibex]

Hello

[keen karma]

hi

[astral gazelle]

So how do u post pics here

Or do u need like higher status

[pearl wind]

you need to be rank 6 to post images, you can check your rank with !rank or /rank in #bot_commands

[astral gazelle]

So cool thx

[zealous pendant]

anyone know a good moveset and ev spread for a rapid spinning terapagos?

[keen karma]

not legal

[zealous pendant]

lol, well

[keen karma]

in vgc

[zealous pendant]

not using it in vgc

[keen karma]

singles idk

[astral gazelle]

Anyone create a unique rain team yet

[keen karma]

ask shiro

[nocturne holly]

Alr yea that’s what I thought

[zealous pendant]

idk who shiro is

[keen karma]

one of the competitive helpers

they are experienced in singles

i think ubers

[zealous pendant]

cause i know rapid spin and its signature move work with the set, and i plan on using earth power

im torn on the last move

[dapper crag]

Move: Tera Starstorm

If the user is a Terapagos in Stellar Form, this move's type becomes Stellar and hits all opposing Pokemon.

Type

Normal

Category

Special

Power

120

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[zealous pendant]

what if i make it into this stupid rapid spin calm mind set

[keen karma]

i cant help u man

[zealous pendant]

i understand

[keen karma]

most ppl in chat cant

check the right side bar and ask shiro

for help

or go into smogon

[astral gazelle]

R there any Pokémon that can clear hazards in front of goldengo

[copper token]

Hi guys does anyone know if adamant would be more worthwhile than careful on my incineroar?

[keen karma]

wait actually what format are you playin

[keen karma]

incins normally run defensive natures

i dont see much merit to running offensive incin when you're goal is to have it be annoying and keep it on field

[copper token]

Yeah but I heard adamant could be useful for the extra damage for kills

[keen karma]

i think careful/impish is the move here

[zealous pendant]

im just trying to have some fun on the regular non elo ladder in scarlet and violet

with a bunch of eviolite mons

like porygon2 and duraludon

which get worn down by hazzards

[copper token]

Yeah I have a defensive ev spread but just not sure on the nature

[keen karma]

normally you are having other mons do damage while incin is pivoting

its not there to be a damage dealer

[copper token]

That’s true

[next stump]

i haven’t really found any calcs where adamant is getting knockouts that careful is not

usually it’s either a clean OHKO regardless or a 2HKO

[astral gazelle]

I like to run a defensive nature on Incin

But if d-max was still allowed

[copper token]

Yeah ok thanks guys

[keen karma]

dillon do you have any ideas for the last 2 here https://pokepast.es/a8de8b8dd7fe520a ?

[astral gazelle]

I would have ran adamant

[keen karma]

i think lando is good here but i also think i might be more comfortable with fake out

[copper token]

Got another question it’s about flutter mane timid or modest

[next stump]

dragonite/chien-pao could work, switching Whims for Torn and adding Rillaboom could work

Urshifu Dark also doesn’t look bad because Heatran can cover the fairy weakness and Flutter covers the fighting

[keen karma]

Alright thanks

Ill try the urshifu dark

[next stump]

depends what you want out of it

I think timid is probably more common and easier to use

[keen karma]

And whims for torn

I run timid so i outspeed other non booster flutters

[copper token]

I want a fast sweeper but isn’t it already faster than most Pokémon with max speed and modest?

[next stump]

it’s mostly for the mirror and for chien-pao

[keen karma]

Wait actually

I dont run timid i run modest

Modest is cool for me 189 is modest right?

[copper token]

Wdym?

[keen karma]

189 speed

Isnt that the modest max

[next stump]

yeah 189

[copper token]

Idk

[next stump]

or 188

one of the two

[keen karma]

I typically run that and outspeed opposing flutters

Or i speedtie

And win the 50/50 every time

[shrewd scarab]

||You think Archaludon would be decent for a rain team?||

[keen karma]

But if you run modest calc for icicle crash

[keen karma]

Why did you make it a spoiler

[copper token]

Ok good to know

[keen karma]

Yea it will

[shrewd scarab]

I like to do that sometimes

[keen karma]

Arch can be run on both rain or non rain

[copper token]

+1 special attack and a 120 base power correct me if I’m wrong move in 1 turn is crazy

[keen karma]

Im pretty sure rain typically runs charge shot

[autumn vault]

Its a new dlc pokemon, its name was revealed in the trailer i think

[keen karma]

And it can also choose not to

[copper token]

Would modest choice scarf or timid specs make a difference or are they the same

[chrome knot]

its main usage has been in rain from what ive seen

[next stump]

choice scarf is bad on flutter

[copper token]

So timid specs is the best?

[next stump]

there isn't really a best, but that is a viable set yes

[copper token]

That’s all I needed to hear

Thank you for your wise competitive advice guys

[shrewd scarab]

This excites me

[keen karma]

The best is the one you like most

[copper token]

Probably is my fav

[keen karma]

I feel like torn is probably just overall better than whims

[nocturne holly]

well not really
electro shot is kinda clickbait
You’re just wasting a move slot when not in rain
it’s viable in rain but like not required

[near crag]

do any of you know if ice face blocks recoil damage?

[bold geode]

Hai Emmie

Gimme the sauce now

[dull ibex]

what sauce

[bold geode]

Alfredo

[dull ibex]

based

[bold geode]

My favorite new Pokemon: Archfredodon

[nocturne holly]

archaludon kinda god tho

Archaludon is that guy
Change my mind

[molten oasis]

Hate to be that guy but

[dull ibex]

arch is likely okay

[molten oasis]

Archaludon is a hit or miss Pokémon

It either does it’s job and wins you a game or does nothing

[dull ibex]

im not sure its that bad

[molten oasis]

When did I say it’s bad?

[dull ibex]

yes ignore the meaning of the sentecne

[molten oasis]

Have you played reg f?

[dull ibex]

I have yeah

[polar canyon]

Timid tailwind farigiraf gaming

[molten oasis]

K well

[polar canyon]

Hi gang

[dull ibex]

ive played with arch as well

hey campfire

[polar canyon]

Bros rotating gyroid pfps

[molten oasis]

Archa feels strongest on a rain team, otherwise it’s okay

[polar canyon]

Archa looks strongest in singles ngl

[molten oasis]

Even with av it’s pretty easy to blow it up with special attacks

[dull ibex]

yeah its an alright mon

im not sure "its that guy" when we have MUCH better stuff in the format

[molten oasis]

Raging bolt cough cough

[dull ibex]

raging bolt is also okay

I like alot of the new mons tbh

[molten oasis]

[polar canyon]

Raging bolt is stronger when it's against you

Raging bolt when tera fairy farigiraf 🧍‍♂️

[molten oasis]

Raging bolt is the best new Mon.

[dull ibex]

(bad piloting)

[molten oasis]

Oh lmao

[polar canyon]

I never actually used it

[dull ibex]

I dont agree with that

[polar canyon]

Im making stuff up

[dull ibex]

paradox entei has high potential too

[molten oasis]

It’s not better. I’ve tested both

[polar canyon]

I still wanna try it with heat crash clear amulet

[dull ibex]

🤷‍♂️

[polar canyon]

That guys heavy

He fat

[molten oasis]

Is it nice you don’t blow up to mane with gouging fire? Yes

However it’s taking your fire spot on the team half the time

[dull ibex]

im not going to make any hard statements yet

since its pre format, walking wake could be cool

[molten oasis]

And your fire spot wants to be incineroar so much lmao

[polar canyon]

I'm liking walking wake

Only new non returning mon I used so far

[dull ibex]

tbh I think people are going to have to learn you can use two fire types at worse

[molten oasis]

Walking wake is one of the better new mons it’s just unexplored rn

[dull ibex]

I see everyone say that, its not a hard limit

once people learn that, teams will get more interesting

[polar canyon]

It's a sun guy that doesn't get bad in rain

[polar canyon]

Literally

[molten oasis]

I don’t disagree

[polar canyon]

Chi yu harc was one of my favorites

[dull ibex]

gourging incin will be a combo on some teams eventually

[keen karma]

Raging bolt is one of the mvps of this dlc

[molten oasis]

But you gotta put it into a situation where your weaknesses don’t overlap too much

[keen karma]

That thing is definetely gonna be popular

[dull ibex]

you dont really

if you have one overlapping weakness your team doesnt blow up

[molten oasis]

2 fire immediately makes a chunk of the team weak to ground and rock and water

[dull ibex]

right but you account for that with the rest of the team

[polar canyon]

Doesn't mean you can't build around that

[molten oasis]

Obviously

[dull ibex]

There is alot of nuance being ignored

it is obviously an issue thats true

shifu running around maybe everything water weak scared

[molten oasis]

I’m saying those 3 weaknesses are kinda hard to get 4 more mons with as those are common offensive types

[polar canyon]

Doesn't mean people won't use lando t and incin

[dull ibex]

drago tbh you are spouting stuff I know

im saying those dont make or break double fire inherrently

[molten oasis]

…

[dull ibex]

im not sure how gourging and incin will function but its probably worth considering

[molten oasis]

why do I say anything

[dull ibex]

Why do you if you go to whine everytime I challenge a thought

[gentle notch]

Changes to team? Also if anyone lives in CT, are there local tournaments or do you go to another state that’s closer?

https://pokepast.es/38db385185ba04a3

[polar canyon]

I'm not sure about gouging incin but gouging in sun looks pretty nice

It's gonna suck against opposing weather but if you get your sun up it looks nice

[dull ibex]

I agree I would have to build around that more too make a judgement

[keen karma]

Sv really balanced out vgc

[dull ibex]

I do think its nice that incin isnt needed

[keen karma]

Never thought i would see incin being overrated

[keen karma]

Yeah

[dull ibex]

incin is still incredible

[keen karma]

Incin is good but overrate

[dull ibex]

and i will definitely run more often then not

[next stump]

CT is connecticut right?

[molten oasis]

Incin is not overrated

[keen karma]

Ppl just splash it on everything and call it a day

[gentle notch]

Yes

[molten oasis]

It’s just not as needed as before

[dull ibex]

yeah because its that good

[polar canyon]

And it works

[keen karma]

I mean as in its not as like needed as it was

[dull ibex]

its not overrated yall just say shit sometimes lmao

[next stump]

there's a lot of stuff in the northeast but I don't know if it's specifically connecticut

you might have to drive an hour or two

[molten oasis]

That doesn’t make it overrated Doyle

[dull ibex]

overused maybe

[keen karma]

Overused is the better word yeah

[molten oasis]

It’s also early reg we’ll see

[dull ibex]

I also think calling things overused is a loaded statement rn

we dont really know what anything does

look at darkshifu

[molten oasis]

We have concepts

[dull ibex]

it was everywhere pre-E

fell off a cliff when we learned the format

[keen karma]

Darkshifu was still good reg e

[dull ibex]

it was fine yeah

[molten oasis]

I think gouging has great potential so we’ll see

[dull ibex]

BTW screw yall I called that shit LMAO

[keen karma]

Really good typing

[dull ibex]

there were alot of people in here singing single strike's praises and its gonna dethrone rapid, and called that bs

[molten oasis]

I played with ca ddance for a bit it’s a really fun set

[keen karma]

I also think iron boulder has potential

[dull ibex]

and IT WAS BS

[polar canyon]

Must be cool to have locals near you, I have to travel to the other side of my country if I wanna try anything

[molten oasis]

I think iron boulder needs something to enable it as building around its weaknesses is so rough

[keen karma]

Lets remember when i predicted special mence

[dull ibex]

you didnt predict anything

[polar canyon]

Iron Boulder is cool on paper

[dull ibex]

your sets for special mence werent used

[molten oasis]

Special mence did not become meta

[dull ibex]

and it wasnt used in the way you said

it was an off meta/meta call

[molten oasis]

It because a thing you can use

[dull ibex]

you aren't that guy

[keen karma]

You see i was trolling on the mud slap part

[dull ibex]

right.

[keen karma]

Debatable

[dull ibex]

Just admit alot of your predictions are wrong my guy its not that big of a deal anyways

[keen karma]

It became pretty damn dominant

[molten oasis]

???

[dull ibex]

no it didnt

[molten oasis]

I saw a whole 3 my guy

[dull ibex]

it was on a few teams in serious play

[dull ibex]

Im wrong quite often

F in the chat for eleki btw

[molten oasis]

Eleki spawned for like 2 seconds

And then despawned lol

[dull ibex]

it spawn killed 😔

[molten oasis]

Fr

[dull ibex]

anyone in here calling themselves innovative is funny tbh (minus tofu)

[molten oasis]

Especially now we have raging bolt I doubt you choose eleki ever

[keen karma]

I like to call myself pretty innovative

[dull ibex]

yeah and its wrong lmao

[keen karma]

You’re forgetting my overpowered harc rock blast set

[next stump]

you can be innovative without influencing other people IMO

[keen karma]

/j

[dull ibex]

I think most people in here specificaly aren't because alot of just steal the meta

[next stump]

not a single person in this chat has influenced the meta in any way besides maybe yotam teambuilding the talontusk team a while back

[dull ibex]

and copy paste

[molten oasis]

Yea and that picked up? My guy

I’m pretty sure rock blast harc never picked up

[dull ibex]

the most ive done is predicted what strong teams were stronger then others but even that was something an idiot could do

[keen karma]

Wasnt that like really popular reg b

[dull ibex]

alot of the meta was pretty clear

[keen karma]

Or c i dont remember

[dull ibex]

yeah yotam influenced my favorite team ever

[molten oasis]

I’m all supportive for Hydrapple rn but I’m not influencing anyone to run Hydrapple

[keen karma]

Actually what was the difference between c and d

I never played those formats let alone watched a single video on them

[next stump]

yeah yotam was close and built it with the guy who won the last reg B regional with it

[molten oasis]

C was the entire paldea dex except Mirai and korai

D was home transfer mons

[keen karma]

So what was b and a then

Just no paradox

[molten oasis]

B was everything but ruins and Mirai korai

A was everything but paradox ruins and box arts

[keen karma]

Oh makes sense

[molten oasis]

Oh really? That’s awesome

[mighty stump]

Justin Carris

Lol

[dull ibex]

hi tofu

[mighty stump]

Suh

[dull ibex]

designing homes

[keen karma]

Hi

[mighty stump]

Nice

[dull ibex]

being a gigathad

[mighty stump]

I also agree

I have yet to make a true meta impact and that’s going to be true for 99% of the playerbase

[keen karma]

Same ive been working on my lego fortnite homes for 3 hours now

[mighty stump]

you’re gonna have to win shit to actually make a difference

[molten oasis]

You called pult, that’s the last thing I remember you calling

[mighty stump]

or place highly in. jg tours

[keen karma]

Jg?

[dull ibex]

nonono not that beta shit /j, im talking animal crossing 😎

[mighty stump]

Well I built the chien-pult team which Yotam passed to Tang

but that’s about it

[molten oasis]

That’s cool

[dull ibex]

I dont remember what I called tbh

Other then single striker being overhyped

[molten oasis]

Nothing that’s why 🫵

[dull ibex]

says the flutter hater

[molten oasis]

I can hate flutter and last

[dull ibex]

imagine

[molten oasis]

Imagine being a meta slave

[dull ibex]

you dont have too

[molten oasis]

I’m not lol

[dull ibex]

suuuureeeee

[keen karma]

I dont mind metaslaving when its necessary

If it comes to it im just going to run torn shifu with incin

[dull ibex]

whim shifu is my go to

[molten oasis]

Whim, huh

[dull ibex]

yep

[mighty stump]

Speaking of Whim

I successfully caught a shiny marked whim

Scholar mark

[dull ibex]

I called whim, ig but literally everyone did

[molten oasis]

POG

[mighty stump]

So i got about like

[dull ibex]

👀

[mighty stump]

5 Whimsicotts to give out

[molten oasis]

whims hasn’t been everywhere yet

[keen karma]

Thank you

[gentle crag]

iamabigmunch has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[molten oasis]

I’m expecting it to pick up at some point

[dull ibex]

reg whims?

[mighty stump]

Ill probably give them out like after tomorrow or sometbing

[molten oasis]

But we’re early reg so I get people not doing whims sets yet

[mighty stump]

Torn is just good

[dull ibex]

whim is on most ladder teams

[mighty stump]

Bleakwind is huge

[molten oasis]

Torn is good yea

[mighty stump]

But anyhow

[keen karma]

Whims peli shifu i thought would be cool

[dull ibex]

I imagine pro will pick up on whim sooner or later

[molten oasis]

No? What point in ladder are you in? I see torn way more than whims rn

[keen karma]

Ofc they will

[mighty stump]

I see a few Whimsis but theyre not the most impactful

[keen karma]

I expect whim to day 2 some tourneys this format

[mighty stump]

theyre not doing anythint different compared to Tornadus

[molten oasis]

Whims can be removed if you target it down

[mighty stump]

Yeah so can Torn

[keen karma]

Same with most mons

[molten oasis]

I just see it as annoying more than a threat rn

[dull ibex]

was about to say that

[molten oasis]

Encore notably

[dull ibex]

the so can torn

[keen karma]

But the only thing justifying whims for me is the speed and the encore

[molten oasis]

Is really annoying

[dull ibex]

screw it im opening a vc

https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1189298607560601621

[keen karma]

Immediately i leave my house 🤦‍♂️

[dull ibex]

🤷‍♂️

[molten oasis]

I feel whims is good with wake

And terakkion

[keen karma]

Im running torn with wake

[mighty stump]

Whims can do the beat up stuff

[molten oasis]

With ape yea

[mighty stump]

Which is going to be pretty alright especially for bo1 ladder

Terrakion

[molten oasis]

I said terakkion lol

Before I said ape

[mighty stump]

Youre gonna beat up terrakion

[dull ibex]

but tofu what about my beat up lucario!

[molten oasis]

Yea then get it +4

[mighty stump]

just dont do Stamina beat up cause thats stupid

[keen karma]

Iron boulder >

[molten oasis]

Nah iron boulder is held back so much by typing

[mighty stump]

Tyo already won a tour or topped a ladder or something last I remember with it

I think it was a tour

Eh

[keen karma]

Tyo?

[mighty stump]

Just forego the Psychic STAB

I think the fsct you don’t worry about Protect is already good

[keen karma]

I like the booster attack rock slides too

[mighty stump]

it also has base 124 spe which is damn high

[molten oasis]

I think there’s lots of potential behind iron boulder for sure

[keen karma]

Cant you just ev it to outspeed booster flutters under tw

[molten oasis]

I just think building with that typing is kinda hard

[mighty stump]

Generally i’m expecting everything to have some degree of ladder success

[keen karma]

And run it with fims

Whims*

Ive had trouble with boulders

[mighty stump]

If the Flutter is Booster Spe youre not outspeeding it

Unless its only a creep Flutter

I have yet to see a single Iron Boulder

[keen karma]

What is the max speed it can be

[molten oasis]

In tournament play I’m mostly expecting gouging fire, Raging bolt, Archaludon, and maybe wake out of the new guys

[dapper crag]

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[gentle crag]

Result: 307.500000

[molten oasis]

I’ll be on the lookout for Hydrapple stuff tho, I’m still determined to get hydra working. Yawn set works pretty well

[mighty stump]

Im only expecting Latias/Bolt

[keen karma]

Yeah you can outspeed that

Wait actually

Hold that

[molten oasis]

Iron boulder can’t outspeed booster speed mane

[mighty stump]

Flutter is base 135

[molten oasis]

Latias feels really good in the format

I like having more bulky tw setters

[keen karma]

Under tw is what i said

You only need 76 evs into speed on boulder

[molten oasis]

Mist ball getting a buff was kinda huge

[keen karma]

And it outspeeds booster flutter

[molten oasis]

Assuming your not facing tw flutter yourself sure

[mighty stump]

Valid, i’m just not going to depend on TW only for something that can be so standalone fast

[molten oasis]

For sure

Iron boulder outspeeds everything else at max

Except bundle

[keen karma]

Wdym?

[molten oasis]

Bundle and mane (and ig pult) are the few things outspeeding it

[molten oasis]

If they are max speed

So I’d iron boulder is max speed

[keen karma]

Tru

[molten oasis]

It outspeeds everything except pult bundle and mane at max speed

Assuming no items

[keen karma]

But like i was saying

Iron boulder can possibly get results i think at tourneys

Im coping rn

[molten oasis]

For sure, I just think urshifu is gonna be better half the time

Having a rock move that always hits that goes through protect is very nice

[keen karma]

Who said you cant run them on the same team

[molten oasis]

why?

[keen karma]

Sounds like hell against someone that masters it

[molten oasis]

I don’t see many reasons to run both

[keen karma]

Also is it just me or iron crown psyspam feels underwhelming

[molten oasis]

Booster speed or spA?

[keen karma]

Speed

[molten oasis]

That’s why

[keen karma]

It doesnt kill lol

[molten oasis]

I think booster spA is better

[keen karma]

When i get home im bo3 laddering till I…

[gentle notch]

Which team should I focus on making & what changes? I want to have a shot at a good competitive run as my 1st time trying to enter tournaments
T1: https://pokepast.es/2fe17b1d991c9854
T2: https://pokepast.es/38db385185ba04a3

[keen karma]

1 pop bomb arch is kinda mid

[next stump]

first team but with rilla > maus

[molten oasis]

Haha I haven’t touched bo3 in a while

Just bored fn, might be break time

[smoky hawk]

Will sun have an inherent advantage in reg F because torkoal is slower?

Haven't played many games yet

Then again using torn for sun can replace weather

[gentle notch]

Should I replace Electro Shot with Thunderbolt then just in case I don’t use rain with it?

[smoky hawk]

Using indeedee?

[keen karma]

Yea

[next stump]

I probably would

[smoky hawk]

I looked into it and came to the same conclusion

What to do with gouging fire? DDance or scale shot loaded dice?

[molten oasis]

I’ve found ddance is really good with clear amulet

[smoky hawk]

It sounds good

[smoky hawk]

Do you run raging fury?

[molten oasis]

Thanks phone

(That was an accident my b)

[molten oasis]

No flare blitz dclaw or even tantrum dclaw is good

[smoky hawk]

Have you tried follow me to help set up?

[bronze niche]

would tera water be good on wake?

[molten oasis]

It’s good with Clefairy or Ogerpon

[smoky hawk]

I'm doing tera fire and weather ball on a sun team

[bronze niche]

im doing /w torkoal(sun team)

[molten oasis]

Tera fire flamethrower on wake is really good

[bronze niche]

i got flamethrower, i was just thinking with tera water for the extra damage to hydro steam

[smoky hawk]

Why flamethrower over weather ball?

[molten oasis]

It does plenty

[molten oasis]

So you’re doing fire dsmage without weather being up

[bronze niche]

alr then ill run tera fire

i might run weather ball though

since i always have torkoal with it

[molten oasis]

Also chance for burn is always nice

[bronze niche]

yeah the burn is good

[molten oasis]

Weather ball is also kinda inconsistent in a way

[bronze niche]

how so

[smoky hawk]

If they change the weather to rain then that's fine too

At that point you don't want to do fire dmg normally

[bronze niche]

yes but water damage isnt great either

so id rather run my flamethrower thats also buffed by torkoal sun

[molten oasis]

Flamethrower is better

[bronze niche]

also, with my flamethrower move, how much does sun+proto flamethrower do?

[smoky hawk]

Weather ball is buffed in any weather

[molten oasis]

A lot

[bronze niche]

good enough

[molten oasis]

Btw when would you ever click weather ball in rain over hydro steam?

[bronze niche]

i dont use weather ball

i run flamethrower on my wake

[molten oasis]

It’s more consistent to run flamethrower

[bronze niche]

yeah i always run flamethrower

[molten oasis]

Mk

It’s also good damage in the situations where weather is down, unlike weather ball

[bronze niche]

yeah

[molten oasis]

(This is usually your endgame final turns)

[fallen garden]

Weather ball to counter sand teams

Terrible advice ignore it

[smoky hawk]

The idea is that they can change weather suddenly to rain and weather ball changes with it

[molten oasis]

Yea but so can your opponent

[fallen garden]

Oh so you click weather ball to make sure your fire attack at least hits with a correct type if your opponent triggers rain?

[molten oasis]

If you lead Torkoal wake for example

[smoky hawk]

My point is that if they switch in pelipper or click Prankster rain all of a sudden your flamethrower suddenly does insignificant dmg

[molten oasis]

And they have torn

And they click rain dance

[smoky hawk]

But flamethrower is consistent in other ways, I understand that

[molten oasis]

And you clicked like, weather ball into rillaboom which would be fire

It’s now water damage and resists

[bronze niche]

if they have pelliper

and rain dance, then its useless

water vs water? that doesnt matter

and if your running life orb its worse

because your still taking damage

[molten oasis]

Don’t do weather ball, I get the logic

But don’t

[slate yacht]

anyone have an Ogrepon build? I just caught him and I want to destroy the indigo disk even more than I did with the Teal Mask (fluttermane and gholdengo go crazy)

[molten oasis]

Ogerpon (Ogerpon-Wellspring) (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Atk / 84 Def / 36 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech
• Spiky Shield
• Follow Me

[bronze niche]

how do you get the follow me tm

i cant find it at all

[molten oasis]

It’s not a tm

It’s only learned by the Mon or it’s an egg move

[slate yacht]

Tysm <3

[smoky hawk]

Rillaboom is done

252+ SpA Protosynthesis Tera-Fire Walking Wake Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom in Sun: 212-252 (102.4 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[strange tendon]

Anyone got any advice for sand team? Im just getting rolled by almost everything tbh and I just kinda would like any advice even if its just i suck lol

Currently running:
Whimsicott
Hippowdon
Excadrill
Dragonite
Magnezone
Reuniclus

But i tend to just lose to either toxic stall or trick room etc?

[fallen garden]

Toxic stall in vgc? Or are you playing singles?

What are you running on Reuniclus?

[near crag]

Do any of you know a good moveset for whimsicott? I got tailwind, moonblast, helping hand, and taunt, but I don't know if should I change something

[strange tendon]

Calm Mind
Psyshock
Focus Blast
Recover

Magic Guard, Leftovers, HP Def EVs

[next stump]

that's a solid set, there's like 15 moves you can viably run on whimsicott

[craggy swan]

good moves to put on raging bolt?

[fallen garden]

For support mons I like picking a set, practicing, and seeing if there's anything I'm missing.

[next stump]

thunderclap/thunderbolt/draco meteor/protect

[craggy swan]

and what should the item be?

[fallen garden]

Singles or doubles

[strange tendon]

Doubles

[next stump]

life orb/booster energy for that set

[near crag]

do specs work w bolt?

[next stump]

not really, I think it leaves you too vulnerable

if you want 4 attacks run AV

[craggy swan]

are raging bolt and gouging fire gonna be banned for reg f?

[next stump]

they are legal

[craggy swan]

[near crag]

is it worth it running 4 attacks on chien?

[next stump]

no, not really

[near crag]

how about shifu?

[next stump]

yes if you're a choice item

[fallen garden]

Reuniclus should be slow enough to function just fine in TR. What seems to be tripping it up

[strange tendon]

I just feel like as a whole the team doesnt really accomplish much, like theres very little actually going on. Im not sure if Dragonite is working too well, and it just so happens a lot of trick room teams tend to beat me, not sure if its cos of how im playing or what

[fallen garden]

hmm who seems to do the most damage

[strange tendon]

For me almost no one seems to do much, excadrill cant really set up against incin rila, and tr kinda ruins him and ttar but whimsicott usually just gets faked out immediately anyway. Featus boy tends to do the most but thats just cos no one really cares if i set up calm minds and just wipe the rest

[fallen garden]

if whims keeps getting hit with fake out, go for covert cloak

[strange tendon]

My other team seems to be doing much more, if this is any better?

Im running:
Murkrow
Dragapult
Garchomp
Magnezone
Arcanine
Milotic

But again it doesntfeel like it doesnt do as much as the teams i come up against

[strange tendon]

thats smart ill try that

[craggy swan]

Any ideas to what I should add on this team, like what other mons could I add to the teamhttps://pokepast.es/30f56cc26e679097

[fallen garden]

maybe you're relying too much on setup. most good competitive mons can start swinging for damage turn 1

[strange tendon]

Ok so Ill try a different playstyle then thanks, any advice on this team then? cos that seems to do a lot of that

[smoky hawk]

How's expert belt on walking wake? It has amazing coverage

Assuming the LO is taken already

[karmic temple]

How much speed does max timid booster flutter have?

[next stump]

305 I think

[elder bridge]

What are Pokémon that counter entei and chien pao

[bronze niche]

305??

[next stump]

are you playing single or double battles

[elder bridge]

Doubles

[next stump]

307 actually

[craggy swan]

!

[bronze niche]

wow

will there be a comp chat for dlc leaks, or can that be said here

[karmic temple]

You can talk about the dlc here

[next stump]

incineroar plays well into both

trick room is hard for them to deal with if you can get it up

urshifu-R is good into both, especially with scarf

tailwind with a sweeper is strong into both

farigarif prevents the extreme speed spam which you may have lost to

[elder bridge]

Thanks

[nocturne holly]

shut up hydrapple guy

I don’t wanna hear it

[molten oasis]

Well you need to hear it

[near crag]

Any thoughts on this team? https://pokepast.es/b0f242246231cb6f thanks on advance

[bold geode]

Remind everyone of this monstrosity

[gentle notch]

If forgot who it was but I took someone’s suggestion to swap Maushold for Rillaboom. I just wanna know if the EVs are good or should be changed https://pokepast.es/e34b840795e7406a

[smoky hawk]

I'm tempted to try this

Enamorus @ Life Orb
Ability: Contrary
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tera Blast
• Moonblast
• Earth Power
• Protect

[nocturne holly]

It’s honestly pretty good tho

idk I haven’t laddered in like 4 days

[nocturne holly]

nope not really

rain doesn’t do a ton for it

it’s just electro shot

stamina bp set is pretty strong

[craggy swan]

can anyone help with this question

[molten oasis]

Yes because Archa hits very hard on the special side without the +1

[nocturne holly]

bruh

stamina bp literally went over your head

[molten oasis]

Yk I specifically stated ON THE SPECIAL SIDE for a reason

[nocturne holly]

bro

[molten oasis]

Like yes it has a good spA stat but I still feel Archa is enabled the best on rain getting the spA boost

[nocturne holly]

You’re tryna get stamina with it

[craggy swan]

;/

[molten oasis]

That’s even worse

[nocturne holly]

No it’s fucking not lmao

[molten oasis]

If you’re just farming for bp damage

I’m going into a movie I’ll argue with you later

[nocturne holly]

Same lmao I’m in a roller coaster 👀

[molten oasis]

Uh huh

Btw I don’t think stamina bp Archaludon is bad it’s pretty good. I still think Archa is hit or miss

It still blows up to special hits, with av

Half the time you bring a fighting resist assuming you have one you’re not worried about it

[near crag]

I'd personally go with dnite, chien, and lando. But you could definitely run rillaboom, flutter, ogerpon W, or harc, too. (I'm not an expert)

[nocturne holly]

Fair

Archaludon is still that guy

I haven’t laddered in like 4 days tho

[dawn crown]

does grassy terrain boost grasss attacks

[craggy swan]

think ill go with chien,rilla,ogerpon

[next stump]

yes

[craggy swan]

is assualt vest flutter mane worth it?, if not which item should I put on it besides booster energy

[gentle notch]

This Item Printer is very nice. Saves me money on getting the vitamins

[bold geode]

No
Specs, sash, Life Orb, or Fairy Feather/Pixie Plate

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/a681219f908890ff

[wild cairn]

Best Houndstone build for TR?

[keen karma]

https://pokepast.es/9aa7cfdf462b13b6 i fixed up the team hours later how is it?

[smoky hawk]

They still haven't fixed the torkoal sun eject pack issue on showdown

It's been at least 7 months

Tailwind is kicking my ass in playtesting

Can't run torkoal anymore

[steady cove]

Anyone gonna respond to my battle request in #1046572041421197352 ?

[feral ledge]

1-1 in a tournament I entered tonight so far! Looking to have a better showing this go around! Here’s hoping 🤞🏻

[golden tulip]

hmm, what's the best way to self proc weakness policy on contrary serperior 🤔🤔 most mold breaker pokemon have enough attack to actually hurt serperior

[smoky hawk]

Maybe try Timid dragapult u-turn

[golden tulip]

but you need moldbreaker! otherwise weakness policy is affected by contrary

[karmic temple]

Would weakness policy not decrease serperiors stats

[golden tulip]

if a mold breaker pokemon triggers the weakness policy, the stat buffs aren't affected by contrary

[karmic temple]

Even without mold breaker

Ah interesting

[golden tulip]

I've recently been using min attack hawlucha, because acrobatics + min attack doesn't do too much, and it grass knot if I want to Tera water

maybe min attack axew with first impression would do less

[smoky hawk]

That doesn't make any sense

[golden tulip]

tell that to game freak 🤷‍♂️

[smoky hawk]

WP is completely different from any attack secondary effects

Has nothing to do with that

[smoky hawk]

If it works as you claim then try scarf tinkaton skitter smack

[golden tulip]

ok

[smoky hawk]

Skitter smack lowers sp atk

But with mold breaker idk what would happen

[golden tulip]

stantler side skill swap into oricorio turn 1, oricorio baton passes into cresselia, turn 2 stantler skill swaps into enemy and cresselia lunar dances, taking down enemy pokemon that has dancer

VERY viable strat that always works 100%

[smoky quail]

Hi. What EV should I put on my Goughing Fire?

[smoky hawk]

Skitter smack vs your serperior is a no go

[molten oasis]

You skitter smacked a serperior?

[golden tulip]

it's a weakness policy serperior dw

and the skitter smacker is a mold breaker tinkaton

[dapper crag]

Move: Skitter Smack

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Special Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Bug

Category

Physical

Power

70

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[molten oasis]

So you’re actually lowering serperior spA?

[golden tulip]

ya it's not the best

[molten oasis]

Are you not doing special serperior?

[golden tulip]

I've been using hawluchas acrobatics untill I can think of a better option

[molten oasis]

uturn

[golden tulip]

I completely forgot it got u turn

[keen karma]

bruh indeedee can apparently live a 252+ tera grass seed rillaboom wood hammer

[karmic temple]

Does p2 need 0 speed for tr or is that over kill

[smoky hawk]

Have you tried the serperior strat on showdown or cart?

[smoky hawk]

Ideally yes but it shouldn't be a big deal

[golden tulip]

ya I've tried it on showdown and it works

[karmic temple]

Even with 90 speed?

[smoky hawk]

I ask if you tried it on cart too because some mechanics work differently

I tried it on showdown and it seems you can't have it both ways

[golden tulip]

I haven't tried on cart yet, but it should work

[smoky hawk]

I tried with and without mold breaker

Can't get the positive boosts twice using skitter smack

Sadly

[golden tulip]

ya it's pretty sad

poor contrary weakness policy serperior

[smoky hawk]

Best idea is to use hawlucha u-turn and switch to rillaboom

[golden tulip]

yep

[golden tulip]

or instead of baton bass turn 1, feather dance into a physical threat to get a total of -6 (-2 from both intimidates, and -2 from each feather dance for -4) then turn 2 protect stantler/ use t-wave and swap into cress and turn 3 skill swap and lunar dance

[dapper crag]

Move: Lunar Dance

The user faints, and if the Pokemon brought out to replace it does not have full HP or PP, or has a non-volatile status condition, its HP and PP are fully restored along with having any non-volatile status condition cured. The replacement is sent out at the end of the turn, and the healing happens before hazards take effect. This effect continues until a Pokemon that meets any of these conditions switches in at the user's position or gets swapped into the position with Ally Switch. Fails if the user is the last unfainted Pokemon in its party.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Dance

Triggers Dancer.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[golden tulip]

triggers dancer

combo with a competitive user holding an adrenaline orb (like galarian articuno) so stantler can skill swap intimidate and g-articuno gets +2 sp. attack and +1 speed

[near crag]

Hey, could any one give some thoughts on this team? https://pokepast.es/b0f242246231cb6f Thanks on advance.

[next stump]

looks solid to me 😄 I think Incin might be better than Lando to complete the fire/water/grass core and give you another pivot tool

but scarf lando is always solid

[golden tulip]

there's not really any fast round users in this game right

[cinder anchor]

any suggestions for this team? https://pokepast.es/2548981bff1fcd81

[next stump]

why 252SPE on arma/indeedee?

[cinder anchor]

idk what to put atm

[next stump]

normally no them you run 0SPE and a minus speed nature

for trick roomn

[cinder anchor]

im not going for a trick room version doe

[next stump]

i don't thikn they really fit the rest of the team then

at least armarouge

indeedee has some merit to deny opposing priority and redirect hits

[cinder anchor]

i just thougt whimsi uturn into psychic arma

• indeedee would be funny

[next stump]

oh I see it now, yeah in closed sheet best of 1 i can see that working sometimes

[cinder anchor]

ya im just playing the ladder casually

the one im most unsure abt is flutter and urshifu but they are just generically good so why not

[keen karma]

what is mid ladder on bo3 rn

[cinder anchor]

do u think that +1 speed on arma is enough

or am i still just gonna lose to timid flutter

[next stump]

weak armor is +2 SPE i believe

[mighty stump]

If youre weak armor why not just use beat up endure

[cinder anchor]

u cant get indeedee out

i could try that too doe

[mighty stump]

You get +6 Spe, no need to blow your tera and you just switch the next turn

[bold geode]

Good morging brudda

[mighty stump]

might as well add terrakion over something and commit to gimmicks

[mighty stump]

Morning

[weak dune]

If we’re running a trick room team do we want lower speed IVs?

[keen karma]

u able to vc

i want to talk to someone while im climbing bo3

[cinder anchor]

so what would u swap

[bold geode]

In a little while

[cinder anchor]

urshifu for terrakion?

[keen karma]

and arch

[next stump]

normally yes

[cinder anchor]

i get terrakion for justifed

but isnt archaludon hella slow

[golden tulip]

is physical or special arceus better

[mighty stump]

I don’t like Beat Up Stamina since it’s just much lower payoff

Obviously some situations exist where it’s fine to execute that play but overall not something id commit to

[keen karma]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regfbo3-2020753276 how could i have played this better

[gentle crag]

Result: 109.210000

[mighty stump]

That Rillaboom lead is wild

[keen karma]

the opposing rillaboom is so hard to deal with

[mighty stump]

You ended up committing Tera way too fast there cause of the lead

Yeah but theres no way they would want to lead Rillaboom into Torn though

Why Grassy Seed?

[keen karma]

thats not my rilla

oops im uh horace

[broken grove]

What is your guys opinion on Umbreon in standard singles? Foul Play seems pretty useful?

[bold geode]

Would Tofu like to VC while I descend into madness

[keen karma]

---VGC would

[bold geode]

[keen karma]

gimme like 5 secs

im getting on my pc

[smoky hawk]

Why is sand working pretty well on showdown

This is surprising me

[mighty stump]

No, i’m out right now

It’s my girlfriend’s birthday

[golden tulip]

is physical or special arceus better

[bold geode]

Oh happy birthday to her

[mighty stump]

Just waiting on things goin

[broken grove]

How much % does +1 stat do again? Been awhile lol

[keen karma]

enjoy your time

i might run booster speed flutter

over specs

[dull ibex]

Hello again it me redington

Happy birthday to your girlfriend

[mighty stump]

imagine stat stage 0 as 2/2, and as you go from +1 to +6 its 3/2 and add the numerator +1

for -1 to -6, just add to the denominator

[broken grove]

So 50%? 😛

[mighty stump]

cause technically +1 is a 50% boost, +2 is 100%, and so on

[broken grove]

Or am I bad at math

Oh yeah haha thanks 🙂

[smoky hawk]

So far this weird hybrid team I threw together in 10 seconds is working better than the weather teams I tried up till now

[bold geode]

@molten oasis come VC brudda

[molten oasis]

That’s why you pinged me

I will think about it I have some stuff to do

[ember linden]

Hey what’s the bulkiest flutters go nowadays?

[jade saddle]

how should I ev my rillaboom

[keen karma]

https://pokepast.es/29223432611c4dbb just got shit on by this team

top 100 bo3 ladder rn

although i find this team really interesting

[undone dock]

How do o find other players to become friends with?

[keen karma]

isnt it like 212 hp

[ember linden]

212 132 but Idk if that’s changed or not so I asked

[ember linden]

Here, other vgc servers, twitter, reddit etc

Just gotta look

[vapid zinc]

this might be a dumb question but are shiny pokemon allowed in official competitive?

[ember linden]

Yeah

[vapid zinc]

ah okay, wasn't sure cause i've never played competitively before

[ember linden]

All good

[weak dune]

Anyone able to explain the stamina/beat up interaction to me?

[keen karma]

u playing in the tommy tuesday tommorow?

[ember linden]

Yeah

[keen karma]

gl man

im playing in it too

500 players is fucking insane

thats like regional levels

[ember linden]

Beat up goes onto stamina mon, defense goes up by 1.5x every hit

[weak dune]

So I target my own mon with beat up?

[ember linden]

Correct.

[ember linden]

Ty, yeah 500 is insane

[gentle crag]

vikxk has given 1 Gen Rep to iamabigmunch

[weak dune]

And basically I’m immune to physical damage then

[keen karma]

im playing tommorow too

you wanna run some sets before the tourney?

[ember linden]

Not at all

Some moves like sacred sword that go through defense boosts+mons that just hit hard will still be chunking you

I wouldn’t put it that way.

[sick lily]

where do you download battle rules

[ember linden]

What?

[sick lily]

like the rules for link battles

[ember linden]

You don’t “download” them. The menu for rules pops up when you find a person to link battle with and get chosen to pick the rules.

[sick lily]

oh so you can’t do reg f link battles yet?

[ember linden]

You can, you just have to select the one with set level 50 that allows every mon, no same items, and no same pokemon

Unless you wish to battle a friend I recommend the battle stadium casual category

[sick lily]

ok ty

[ember linden]

Link battles are unreliable

[sick lily]

big help

[ember linden]

Anytime.

[keen karma]

Speaking of cart sets tommorow?

[ember linden]

I’m good bossman I’m working on a huge team report rn

[smoky hawk]

Just a small correction: Look over the part about spD and its vitamins

[mighty stump]

Yeah I didnt make it but I hope people can infer

Better than nothing tbh

[light yarrow]

Yall excited for regulation F next season?

[vapid zinc]

I think I'm gonna join and try my best!! It'll be my first time trying competitive

[craggy swan]

What should be my evs and nature on raging bolt?

[charred rune]

anyone want to help me create a snow team?

[dapper crag]

is gastrodon a good pokémon for comp

[charred rune]

can be

if used right

[dapper crag]

whats a good move set and IV spread for gastrodon

[charred rune]

go look on smogon

[dapper crag]

oh yea

[radiant cloud]

Hey guys I’m new to Pokémon and I’d like to start playing the competitive side of it, how do I start that using my favorite mons

[charred rune]

pm me issa

[mighty stump]

You have to identify a niche for the pokemon, be able to justify its use in the metagame, and understand your piloting is key to be able to make “favourites” work depending on what they are

and accept that fact that some teams are just overall weaker just because you chose to use alternative picks

[mighty stump]

If its for doubles, do not use Smogon.

Yawn, Muddy Water, Earth Power and Protect is its choice of moves

Sometimes it can run Ice Beam or Icy Wind, while running Max HP to start with defensive investment, mainly in Def

[charred rune]

@west wave are you able to discuss some snow teams?

[dapper crag]

alright ill look into it, thank you

[gentle crag]

chookiny has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[dapper crag]

huh

[craggy swan]

@mighty stump can you help wit this?, sorry for the ping

[mighty stump]

Modest
Max HP and Max SpA is fine

[craggy swan]

Thanks

[mighty stump]

Not much to say about snow, its either some Articuno stuff or offensive Iron Bundle

Alolan Ninetales is preferred

You require answers to things like Heatran and Gholdengo

[craggy swan]

also what ev's and nature again should I run on whimsicott?, I'm planning to use him with trick room

[charred rune]

whimsicott is a quick pokemon trick room seems weird to use with it. Are you building a team around trick room?

[craggy swan]

Yeah

[mighty stump]

Timid or Bold depending on the set.

[charred rune]

i would consider a diff mon for trick room

[mighty stump]

TR is fine if you don’t want to equalise board states against TW

While benefitting off of TW against teams with no true speed control

[craggy swan]

I also want sunny day for raging bolt

[charred rune]

ahhhhh could possibly use torkoal who would benefit under trick room as well?

[mighty stump]

Alternatively you just run Sunny Day on Whims. Raging Bolt has access to priority anyways so it doesn’t necessarily require TR.

[craggy swan]

True, but with teams that use tw or use a lot of speedy mons, pretty sure TR is good to use

[vapid zinc]

what's a better nature for Torterra? Bold for Def or Adamant for Atk?

[dapper crag]

i just destroyed a trick room team

im very happy with myself as i had very speedy pokémon

[rapid adder]

https://pokepast.es/5dae73a5ac5ed340
is this team any good? could it use some improvement??

[minor fossil]

Does anyone run U-Turn on the Latis just as a pivot option?

[ember linden]

Not that I’ve seen

[minor fossil]

Is Eviolite Bisharp any good or does Kingambit just outclass it in every way?

[knotty mirage]

I think gambit outclass it in every way and gambit have better dark stab being kowtow cleave

[tired bone]

guys so i have this kyurem, that i want to use in battles. but its evs are maxed into spa and hp. should i use a fresh start mochi and use 4 hp, 252 atk, and 252 spe?

[dull ibex]

Yeah gambit is just better

[prisma parrot]

Anyone have time to help me build a team for ranked battles? I have some fav. mons to start with. New to pokemon games so just want a starting point for the future

[rugged bear]

can you get fresh start mochis from any difficulty from the ogre oustin thing?

[rugged bear]

just name the mons that you wanna include in your team

[prisma parrot]

Pm-ed you thanks

[gentle crag]

onetyro has given 1 Gen Rep to nnchicken

[timber falcon]

doesnt outclass in defence cause eviolite

[dull ibex]

vc anyone?

[cyan smelt]

i can hop on but can't talk

[dull ibex]

Meh

[shrewd scarab]

I built my Reg F team last night

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/e792c68da1016c12 any thoughts on this team? it is kinda based on mons i just really want to use

[timber falcon]

mind if i see? just curious

[shrewd scarab]

https://pokepast.es/6aed90c082799318

[shrewd scarab]

To be completely honest I think you will have a hard time with that team

[timber falcon]

very nice, im not good enough to manage evs like that though lol

[timber falcon]

its been doing me well so far (im like 1000 elo)

[shrewd scarab]

I watch CyberTron videos on YouTube to learn how to do spreads and stuff

[timber falcon]

ohhhh, ima have to try that

[shrewd scarab]

His videos are really informative and after he’s done going over team builds he does a few battles to show you how to lead and how the mechanics of the team works

[golden tulip]

is physical or special arceus better

[mighty stump]

Arceus isn’t even legal

[golden tulip]

oh

[dull ibex]

I'm gonna start a vc 🙂

https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1189552823885631528

[autumn vault]

it depends, but god is not legal

[next stump]

second to last Reg E local for me today i’m going to miss this format

[bold geode]

Sir that's Cybertron lmao

[shrewd scarab]

Yes it is

And I’m gonna use it

[bold geode]

Lmao
I literally watched that video last night

Tbf, I was actually putting Sun Wake into Showdown before I saw that

[shrewd scarab]

Same lol. When I watched it it had only been out for 6 hours

[dire vessel]

Trying to make a regulation F team, I am trying to figure out a good pokemon to use my eviolite on and I was thinking duraludon. Would anyone recommend anything different?

[next stump]

are you playing singles or doubles

[dire vessel]

Doubles all the way

[next stump]

i don't think you need any eviolite pokemon on your team

the best is probably porygon or dusclops

clefairy is also not bad

[dire vessel]

Oh, there isn't many items which I can use as my whimsicott is using the focus stash

[next stump]

the most common items in VGC are stuff like

• Focus Sash
• Assault Vest
• Choice Band/Scarf/Specs
• Sitrus Berry
• Mental Herb
• Covert Cloak
• Clear Amulet
• Life Orb

I am sure I'm forgetting a few common ones too, but try to slot some of those items onto your team

[chrome knot]

booster energy nowsies

[dull ibex]

@bold geode bruh im going to sleep wym lmao

[bold geode]

Imagine

[bold geode]

HAI EMMIE

Did you see that it's now time for the battle of the century

[scarlet otter]

Where is Kyerum!!!???

[bold geode]

Nowhere

[keen karma]

Wanna watch me suffer in a tour later today?

[ionic shell]

Fuckkkk is there any other way for me to teach kingambit suckerpunch

Didnt know u needed to be pawniard

[bold geode]

I will probably be working

[cyan smelt]

mirror herb

[short nebula]

mirror herb

[ionic shell]

Omg forgot HAHAHAHAHAH

Gambit holds it right?

[keen karma]

Mirror herb

[nocturne holly]

what do we think about eviolite durlaudon

[keen karma]

Mid

[nocturne holly]

it can ohko flutter with no atk investment

heavy slam is gonna be its only moves

and it gets a shit ton of good support moves

[dapper crag]

Duraludon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Facade, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Metal Burst, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Outrage, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Slash, Steel Roller, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Take Down

Special Moves

Dark Pulse, Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Flash Cannon, Hyper Beam, Mirror Coat, Round, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Steel Beam, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt

Status Moves

Attract, Dragon Cheer, Endure, Focus Energy, Hone Claws, Iron Defense, Laser Focus, Leer, Light Screen, Metal Sound, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Swords Dance, Thunder Wave

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Duraludon.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[keen karma]

Have you actually tried it though

[nocturne holly]

Screens, t wave, snarl, b swipe,

[nocturne holly]

I calced it
it can with heavy metal

[mighty stump]

:/

But like

y tho

Like I get it

id even go so far as running Stalwart Dragon Tail would be way better as TR denial