competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

Ur mom

[strange fjord]

for wp?

[bold geode]

My 7 nuclear missiles do

[dapper crag]

Latias's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Bulldoze, Covet, Cut, Dive, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dual Wingbeat, Earthquake, Facade, Fly, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Last Resort, Liquidation, Natural Gift, Outrage, Psycho Cut, Retaliate, Return, Scale Shot, Secret Power, Shadow Claw, Steel Wing, Sucker Punch, Take Down, Waterfall, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Alluring Voice, Aura Sphere, Charge Beam, Chilling Water, Confusion, Disarming Voice, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Draining Kiss, Dream Eater, Energy Ball, Future Sight, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mist Ball, Mud-Slap, Mystical Fire, Psychic, Psyshock, Psywave, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Tri Attack, Twister, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Attract, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Flash, Guard Split, Heal Pulse, Healing Wish, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Mimic, Protect, Psych Up, Psycho Shift, Rain Dance, Recover, Reflect, Reflect Type, Refresh, Rest, Roar, Role Play, Roost, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Kiss, Tailwind, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick, Water Sport, Wish

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Latias.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[nocturne holly]

fuck you

[bold geode]

Wait Ghost types aren't affected by Explosion fuck

[molten oasis]

It’s a speed control Mon

[bold geode]

Pretty bulky too

[molten oasis]

You use mist ball tw then you choose between icy wind recover Draco meteor calm mind or protect

[bold geode]

Oh wait I thought you were adding on to the mom joke

[nocturne holly]

It also gets t wave

[molten oasis]

just use icy wind and tw

[nocturne holly]

ok so mist ball tw icy wind helping hand?

[molten oasis]

Sure

[nocturne holly]

I can probably ev it to live moon blast booster spe

[bold geode]

Cigar what ability does your mom have

[nocturne holly]

maybe Tera fairy

[molten oasis]

Yea that’s it lol

[nocturne holly]

dazzling ☺️

[molten oasis]

Nah we all know what she truly has

[autumn vault]

Never let them know your next move: Gives regigigas clear amulet and weezing

I want to use these two ok

They seem like an amazing duo

And are

Just have to be patient

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 486: Regigigas

Type

Normal

Abilities

Slow Start

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

110/160/110/80/110/100

Total

670

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

Pokémon No. 289: Slaking

Type

Normal

Abilities

Truant

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

150/160/100/95/65/100

Total

670

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[finite vine]

I’m making a single battle team for a friend and wanted to check if this is a good team so far? Anything I should change?
https://pokepast.es/281678e9150062bf

[molten oasis]

I’m pretty sure Dynamax did so much for regigigas

[dapper crag]

Regigigas's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Avalanche, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Crush Grip, Darkest Lariat, Dizzy Punch, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Earthquake, Facade, Fire Punch, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Hard Press, Headbutt, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Ice Punch, Iron Head, Knock Off, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Payback, Pound, Power-Up Punch, Retaliate, Return, Revenge, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Smack Down, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Superpower, Thunder Punch, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Earth Power, Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Icy Wind, Mud-Slap, Round, Shock Wave, Snore, Tera Blast, Terrain Pulse, Thunder, Thunderbolt

Status Moves

Block, Confide, Confuse Ray, Double Team, Endure, Foresight, Gravity, Nature Power, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Rock Polish, Safeguard, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Wide Guard

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Regigigas.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[molten oasis]

Definitely just better slaking

[finite vine]

Updated it*
https://pokepast.es/0c788deb6c714658

[nocturne holly]

Regigigas heavy slam should ohko mane right

[dapper crag]

Move: Heavy Slam

The power of this move depends on (user's weight / target's weight), rounded down. Power is equal to 120 if the result is 5 or more, 100 if 4, 80 if 3, 60 if 2, and 40 if 1 or less. Damage doubles and no accuracy check is done if the target has used Minimize while active.

Type

Steel

Category

Physical

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

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Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[nocturne holly]

Av feels good on it

[raw thistle]

Are the paradoxes legal in VGC yet?

[karmic temple]

The ones from the dlc no

[raw thistle]

ok ty

[chrome knot]

nothing from the new dlc is legal yet lmao

[polar canyon]

When 2 mons use sucker punch at each other does the fastest or slowest one get to use it?

[next stump]

fastest

[chrome knot]

dillon

do you have a incin spread that works for balance/ho

[next stump]

yes, let me send the tweet that has the spread

[quaint lance]

Why would you use a damp rock over a terrain extender?

[next stump]

terrain and weather are different things

[quaint lance]

Oh right I was not reading description right lmao

[next stump]

https://twitter.com/vgccorner/status/1736558818287309093?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

[quaint lance]

Thank u

[next stump]

I prefer the second spread in the tweet

[quaint lance]

Is speed even worth max EVs for chandelure bc it’s speed stat is relatively low already (mine has timid nature)

[torpid heron]

Do yall think hydrapple will be good competitively? Or no?

[tidal blade]

imo it seems pretty niche

not super crazy but not bad either

maybe on a tr team

[torpid heron]

I might see if I can make it work in some way bc I love that guy, but if it can't, uhhh, L

[hasty yarrow]

What Pokémon would be good with this VGC team, and what Tera types on good on them, and what item is good for incinaroar.

https://pokepast.es/aa984b4d99e9616d

[cobalt axle]

Incineroar ghost or water tera maybe safety goggles as item

[hasty yarrow]

I was thinking of adding excadrill and tyranitar would that be good

[mighty stump]

Incin wants either Poison/Grass Teras

[bold geode]

Tofu got someone who talked in rentals

[hasty yarrow]

This is my idea for the full team
https://pokepast.es/6910df874b1ea46b

[bold geode]

Also Tofu why you awake rn

[slender sentinel]

What’s a good EV spread for blastoise and venesaur, and what items are good for them

[bronze bronze]

Anyone have ideas for a bug only team including DLCs

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 887: Dragapult

Types

Dragon/Ghost

Abilities

Clear Body, Infiltrator, Cursed Body (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/120/75/100/75/142

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[karmic temple]

Who’s the person with that sweet sweet primarina spread finally got my shiny today 😭

[autumn patrol]

guys is sceptile a viable special attacker? I want a second special attacker in my team and had a 5iv treeko and fully ev trained it in sp. atk and speed

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2017921612 yawn is funny

[bold geode]

Is the sauce good?

[molten oasis]

It is a decent yawn bot. It has everything going for it but it’s typing so it’s fine. It’s viable and usable but not necessarily anything crazy

[molten oasis]

I’m not on OTS ladder yet so idk

[bold geode]

Are the hopes good?

[autumn patrol]

i had a shaymin sky form before but i know mythicals are not allowed

in online battles

[bold geode]

I can barely see my screen cuz it's scratched up by a gift card

[molten oasis]

I have brought it twice it did fine so, maybe?

I played into a meta team and then the team in that replay

Meta team I never clicked yawn just went on the offensive

If you bring hydrspple you prob intend to Tera

[nocturne holly]

Why poison Tera over steel

[tough idol]

@nocturne holly you have Nitro?

[nocturne holly]

No

[tough idol]

Check DMs @nocturne holly Merry Christmas 🎅 🎄

[rose galleon]

was torterra banned in ou?

[quaint lance]

^

[dull ibex]

Burp

[bold geode]

Hello Gabe

[dull ibex]

My name is Redington

[bold geode]

Man my legs are tired

[dull ibex]

L

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

Poison is just a goated defensive Tera

Steel is not (weirdly enough)

https://pokepast.es/9aaff393a63ec9c1 let’s I have these pieces, where do I go next

[near crag]

Ia drifblim currently viable? I don’t really see why isn’t it used

[next stump]

it’s reliant on its ability to set tailwind

and then it doesn’t really do any damage after that

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/58e4d9c3a6212a24 anything i should change?

[molten oasis]

Wood hammer over stomping or uturn on rilla

[amber patrol]

Is stamina or stalwart better on archaludon?

[molten oasis]

Detect over protect on shifu is fine (it’s niche but cnz matter)

[molten oasis]

Stamina

[amber patrol]

Ok

Should I run 252 sp atk 252 HP?

[molten oasis]

Ig that’s fine

Ik there’s better sets I just don’t have one

[amber patrol]

It's not on pikalytics so I can't see

[tough idol]

@nocturne holly did Dylan reply

[tribal garnet]

Is Terapagos a good raid Pokemon?

[near crag]

What is the best way to activate unburden?

[atomic mural]

like a berry or a niche item for a gimmic team

or just focus sash

[near crag]

is there any pre turn one option?

[atomic mural]

i dont think so

[slender sentinel]

Hi, so I’ve been trying to find a good EV spread for my Blastoise but everyone says something different online. Can someone help me find a good EV spread? My team already has some fast hitters, so I’m thinking something a little more bulky but still a hard hitter

[next stump]

I got a local tomorrow that is still Reg E, I haven't played that format in like 2 weeks LOL

RIP

[amber patrol]

Im running a bulky support build that pairs well with archaludon, it's 252 sp atk 252 HP, you could also do a more offensive 252 sp atk 252 speed and shell smash

[slender sentinel]

Ok thanks! I’m leaning towards the first one, should the final EVs be invested in sp def or speed?

[amber patrol]

WOAAAH archaludons cry is awesome

[gentle crag]

dyscordy has given 1 Gen Rep to lucy30252

[amber patrol]

Whatever you want I guess, I usually just ignore the last 4 lol

[slender sentinel]

Ok, sorry one last thing what would be a good nature? I’m really new to this type of thing

[amber patrol]

Either modest or timid, modest boosts sp attack and timid boosts speed

[molten oasis]

L

Good luck tomorrow!

[amber patrol]

Yeah

[next stump]

thanks 🙂 I appreciate it

[tough idol]

@amber patrol check Dms

@next stump did you get tag from @nocturne holly

[amber patrol]

Merry Christmas dood

[tough idol]

@amber patrol enjoy the emotes my man

[amber patrol]

[next stump]

Yes I did, thank you :))

[unique portal]

anybody down to work on a team together?

[nocturne holly]

Yep he did

[nocturne holly]

throw an emote down 😈

[bold geode]

Haven't seen you in a min

[onyx crown]

Is there a way to reset EVs if I happened to make a mistake... Like, per say.. Not realizing you'd want to get into competitive at some point and using your shiny pokemon that you now want to be used in comp to beat up a bunch of Chansey and now has a lot of EVs in a stat it doesn't need?

[tough idol]

Reset Mochi. Gained from the Teal Mask mini game

[tough idol]

Too much work lmao 🤣

[onyx crown]

Yikes... So I seriously gotta buy the DLC.
Welp, guess I'll be wasting 35 dollars on top of the other 180 I spent to get Urshifu.

[bold geode]

FELT THAT SHIT

[tough idol]

Kubfu is available with new DLC

[bold geode]

If it makes you feel better
You can get a Kubfu in SV with DLC

Ok Legion time to reset for 35 Kubfus from SV

[onyx crown]

Yea, but I already reset Sword a ton to give out Urshifu to the less fortunate. May as well give myself both styles.

[bold geode]

True dat

[tough idol]

I did that too lol 😆

[onyx crown]

I've had a recent addiction to Dodrio. Does it stand any chance in comp or am I wasting my time shiny hunting for one for comp (I'm going to do it anyways, I just need to know if I can use it or not)

[tough idol]

I've now gotta play my Scarlet to get the 2 Pararox

[tough idol]

I'm no expert but I think No

[onyx crown]

I've got the worst shiny Flutter Mane you can ask for if you want. Adamant Nature, didn't check IVs yet but it isn't looking good.

[tough idol]

I'm playing a Regional in January lol. I have an idea but keeping quiet outside my US friends.

[onyx crown]

I was going to see if I could scare people with a Scald Emboar because haha funny but then it would basically have no ability and I don't like that.

[kindred cypress]

Y’all think regigigas can be useable with Tera ghost?

As in, survive the meta

[eternal kiln]

need weezing with it and it can be alright

[keen karma]

imagine doing that many bbqs

on every save

[cyan smelt]

isn't it better to farm swsh instead

[onyx crown]

I think Regigigas will do great with a Skill Swap Huge Power Medicham next to it, at least in doubles

[keen karma]

yes much easier

[molten oasis]

Literally just use weezing

[onyx crown]

Yea, but Huge Power on Regigigas is pretty op

[molten oasis]

Yea, just use weezing anyway lol

[amber patrol]

Should I run 252 HP on archaludon?

I went 252 sp atk, 252 HP and 252 speed

Gonna give it a rocky helmet

[ember linden]

What do you want your arch to do? That makes the spreads vary

[molten oasis]

You give it bulk, not speed

Unless you’re hitting a specific speed tier

[quaint lance]

Is this not impossible?

[amber patrol]

I'm stupid

[quaint lance]

Lmao no ur fine

[amber patrol]

I meant 252 sp atk, 200 HP, 56 speed

[molten oasis]

No you only have 508 evs to use

[molten oasis]

Oh, that’s prob fine

What speed does it hit

[amber patrol]

220

[quaint lance]

What is the point of choice scarf trick on chandelure?

[molten oasis]

Oh, sure

[amber patrol]

Wait no slightly less than 220

Nvm 220

[chrome knot]

assault vest

[molten oasis]

You scarf trick to make something repeat the same move over and over again

[chrome knot]

otherwise that thing made of paper in SpDef

[ember linden]

AV is the way to go on arch

[molten oasis]

It’s like encore but you steal their item

[amber patrol]

Ok 👌

Metagross also has AV but I'll change that if I ever put this team into online

[quaint lance]

True but, you have trick first turn right?

[molten oasis]

Typically yea

[quaint lance]

Bc it would lock you into anything else

[amber patrol]

What should I put in the 4th move slot

[quaint lance]

Until you swap ig

[ember linden]

Mine is mainly to click snarl+body press but it can be ran a few ways

[ember linden]

Draco over pulse, body press for the last slot

[molten oasis]

At least Metagross can exists without av. I ohkoed a Archaludon with some generally weaker move

[amber patrol]

Never gonna catch me using draco meteor

I do NOT want -2 sp attack

[ember linden]

Then you are wasting some good potential

[molten oasis]

Its best friend is Archaludon imo

[quaint lance]

Is there a Sp atk equivalent of protective pad item?

[ember linden]

Ni

[molten oasis]

Alr have fun missing kos

[chrome knot]

what on earth are you using

[molten oasis]

(That is the entire reason to run Draco meteor)

[amber patrol]

Archaludon

[molten oasis]

Pulse (unless your raging bolt) hits like a wet noddle sometimes

[chrome knot]

the website..

[ember linden]

You have to keep in mind you have electro shot, meaning you can electro shot, get +1, draco, and then electro shot next turn to be at neutral again.

[amber patrol]

Datadex, it's an app

[chrome knot]

why arent you on showdown team builder

[quaint lance]

This is a no right? Didn’t know if it was an appreviation😭

[dapper crag]

Draco Meteor is great though

[molten oasis]

Also, I have seen more Archa to make my statement that

[chrome knot]

like the easiest thing to use ever x)

[ember linden]

Yeah lol I didn’t realize I put an I

[dapper crag]

Really nice uncontested neutral damage

[quaint lance]

All good ty

[amber patrol]

UI is simpler on this

[molten oasis]

It is really only at its best with weather imo

[amber patrol]

Oh wait electro shot does that

[ember linden]

Yup

[amber patrol]

Oh I forgot

[ember linden]

Even without electro shot you always go draco over pulse

[molten oasis]

You can for sure not run it with weather but it’s a really hit or miss Mon at times

[amber patrol]

Ok I'll do draco

[dapper crag]

Draco just chunks stuff when you need it

[molten oasis]

Draco just blows things up

[amber patrol]

No materials or TM

[molten oasis]

Only time I feel you don’t do Draco is if you’re raging bolt or your Hydrapple

[dapper crag]

130 Base Power is really something + STAB

Raging Bolt + Draco Meteor is actually insane

[amber patrol]

Why would I run body slam?

[molten oasis]

True but pulse is actually really good on it still. Especially the calm mind set

Pulse hits hard

[dapper crag]

Calm Mind is different since you set up

[ember linden]

Missing out on KOs with pulse+partner move is not good, even without a way other than switching to get rid of the -2 usually Archaludon wants to chunk something first and then body press spam

[molten oasis]

the only thing I don’t like about Draco is when you miss it

[amber patrol]

I don't see why I'd want a physical move on a special attacker

[ember linden]

It’s gets stamina

Body press does damage based on your defense, not attack

[dapper crag]

I think they meant Body Press not Body Slam

This gives in to confusion

[ember linden]

Did I say slam?

[amber patrol]

I looked at the wrong move

[ember linden]

Lol

[molten oasis]

Archa is one of the few executions to that rule (I see it’s been explained already)

[ember linden]

I said body press spam?

Oh you’re talking about Lucy

[quaint lance]

Is it worth it to max EV speed over HP on chande I genuinely have no clue lmao (timid nature)

[molten oasis]

Yes lol

[amber patrol]

Yeah lol

[quaint lance]

[ember linden]

Nvm lol

[molten oasis]

Ig, why are you using chandelure?

If you want a trick Mon I feel gholdengo is better

[quaint lance]

Bc I like it and just wanna max

Not for comp use

[dapper crag]

That's the way to go

[ember linden]

Chandy only really runs focus sash so yes go 252 sp.atk 252 speed 4 hp timid

[molten oasis]

just do max speed and spA then

[amber patrol]

I don't think archaludon gets body press?

[ember linden]

Or lorb maybe

[ember linden]

It does.

[quaint lance]

Alr I’ve seen a lot of choice scarf options for it as well

[dapper crag]

Chandelure could deal damage

[amber patrol]

How

[dapper crag]

Archaludon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Earthquake, Facade, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Hard Press, Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Metal Burst, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Outrage, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Slash, Smack Down, Steel Roller, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Take Down

Special Moves

Aura Sphere, Dark Pulse, Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Electro Shot, Flash Cannon, Hyper Beam, Meteor Beam, Mirror Coat, Round, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Steel Beam, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt

Status Moves

Attract, Dragon Cheer, Endure, Focus Energy, Hone Claws, Iron Defense, Laser Focus, Leer, Light Screen, Metal Sound, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Swords Dance, Thunder Wave

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Archaludon.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[molten oasis]

K btw, please don’t promote using favorites here, if you need comp help you’re gonna get the meta not the niche stuff

[dapper crag]

Base 145 sp.attack is absurdly high, same as Lando-T

[amber patrol]

Guys what do I run on pachurisu

[molten oasis]

Like if the favorite is good cool

[ember linden]

Dray if they want to talk about favorites it’s fine.

[dapper crag]

Don't posture against someone seeking advice on using their fav Mon lol

Come on, let them have fun

[amber patrol]

For eels

[quaint lance]

I mean it’s not really a matter of favorites, I want to get it up to comp standards lmao you just asked why I used it

I fear it’s not that deep 😭

[ember linden]

Anyway, let’s just stray away from such topic

[molten oasis]

Ok nvfm let’s move on from this

[quaint lance]

Yes yes

[amber patrol]

[quaint lance]

[dapper crag]

I ran my fav gen 9 Mon despite it not being popular and had great success

[amber patrol]

[dapper crag]

Just got to find a nice team to make it work

[ember linden]

But yeah options for chandy item are sash, lorb, and scarf I imagine, maybe specs but idk about that one lol

[quaint lance]

Ty Ty

[gentle crag]

starboy8374 has given 1 Gen Rep to vikxk

[amber patrol]

I do great with trick room torterra lol

[ember linden]

Yw:}

[amber patrol]

@dapper crag bullet seed, loaded dice, tera water, curse, synthesis

[dapper crag]

That's certainly a moveset lol

both Curse and Synthesis

[amber patrol]

It's really fun, id recommend it

[dapper crag]

I don't see it winning vs standard stuff though, Body Press Iron Defense on a setup oriented team might already do more work

[amber patrol]

I'm not sure how it does in set F since I've only used it in E lmao

[dapper crag]

Like Curse when you get Swords Dance

[molten oasis]

Torterra isn’t good, there’s better grass types

[ember linden]

As long as you reccomed it for fun.

[amber patrol]

Curse lowers speed though, that's why I chose it

[dapper crag]

you can make underused Mons work in competitive environment

[amber patrol]

Basically works as dragon dance + defense boost

[molten oasis]

…can being the key word here, not that you should if you want to win

[dapper crag]

Oh no you def should

It's a great teambuilding challenge

[amber patrol]

Well, I used it wanting to win and won

[molten oasis]

Congrats

[dapper crag]

Really picks your brain about bringing a cohesive team together to make the best out of an undervalued Pokemon

[amber patrol]

There's the whole team

[molten oasis]

You can run whatever on ladder, tournament play and actual high elo is different from the average ladder

[dapper crag]

''Actual high elo''

[amber patrol]

(I don't use showdown for teams so no pokepaste sorry )

[molten oasis]

…

You know what I meant

[dapper crag]

I ran Brute Bonnet around 1500-1550 Reg E showdown + got top 1000 last month on cart

[amber patrol]

Brute bonnet is cool

[molten oasis]

Cool get it to top 100, where a chunk of the pros play

[amber patrol]

Top 1000 is still above average

[dapper crag]

Jeez you really are defensive about your opinion tonight

[molten oasis]

Mhmm sure

[dapper crag]

You suddenly speak for the pros

[molten oasis]

Yes but that’s not considered the highest elo

[molten oasis]

But that is where you find the best players

[molten oasis]

I speak for the pros as a general not specifics

[dapper crag]

But you shy away from using Flutter no ?

[amber patrol]

Most "pros" use ass pokemon sometimes anyway

[molten oasis]

sometimes

[dapper crag]

Because ''meta''

[molten oasis]

And it’s cuz they’re are much better than we are and know how to make something bad work

[cyan smelt]

that's because they know what they're doing

[amber patrol]

So do I a little

[molten oasis]

You really think THATS why I don’t touch flutter?

[amber patrol]

I have basic knowledge on how to make your opponent have the least fun possible

[molten oasis]

I’m plenty aware how strong flutter is, it is a preference to not use it I have literally been fine. The times I do use it I’m bored out of my mind

There is nothing impressive about “Tera fairy specs moonblast”

[amber patrol]

Flutter is kinda boring though tbh

[molten oasis]

Or fun for the matter

[dapper crag]

Winning doesn't have to be impressive

[molten oasis]

I agree, it’s still an insanely boring Mon to use, hands is in the same boat

[amber patrol]

Winning is better when you don't just press moonblast 6 times and win though

[dapper crag]

I'm fine winning using the best strats if it gets me the win

I see no shame in joining the winning side

[molten oasis]

There isn’t. I’m just not and I get by fine

[bold geode]

God I can't even play Putt Party in this bitch

[molten oasis]

It feels much more rewarding to get something on the nicher side to work than just use meta

[bold geode]

Wtf is going on

[amber patrol]

Wherent you just saying niche pokemon suck and to not use them if you care about winning

[molten oasis]

If you care about genuine results, don’t use favorites

Like tournament results

[amber patrol]

Hmmm what happened in that 1 tournament in 2016?

[molten oasis]

On ladder whatever, if you want to reach where all the pros are you generally just have to use meta unless you’re on another level

[amber patrol]

I think it had something to do with a blue squirrel

[molten oasis]

Do not pull the pachirisu stuff that was 1 time

[bold geode]

Man reading through this shit I am seeing some brainpower in here

[amber patrol]

[molten oasis]

That’s the same fucking logic as “ttar is good because it won a regional a couple months ago”

[amber patrol]

Ttar can be good if you use it right

[molten oasis]

Dude piloting it is very skilled he deserved that win

[dapper crag]

Ttar is a very good Mon. Pseudo Legendary not to be undervalued.

Doesn't hold to powercreep but it's not weak by any means

[amber patrol]

Could be a cool tera water niche in supporting a sand team

[molten oasis]

Ttar is a good Mon when something isn’t shutting down it’s weather and also getting a partners with value

Idk if sand has ever been hard meta

[amber patrol]

Weather isn't all that common now however

[amber patrol]

Sand has never been good, that's why it's so fun

[molten oasis]

Tf are you talking about? Rain torn and shifu has been fucking everywhere

[bold geode]

Ok everyone stfu and lemme break it up

Sure you can pick a niche Mon and possibly make it work
But for new players, that's hard as hell when you don't know what you're doing
That's why it's better to recommend meta or whatever
To not only show some success but to teach the newbies the game that way maybe later they can figure shit out

[dapper crag]

what, it dominated a decade in Singles and was very prevalent to some extent in earlier gens of VGC

[amber patrol]

I haven't played set F yet

[molten oasis]

Prevalent

Also wow singles that’s crazy

[amber patrol]

Jokes on you, my first main series game competitive experience in VGC was set E!!!!

[bold geode]

That's it
Sure someone made Infernape work in gen 7
But do I recommend using it? Fuck no

[molten oasis]

I’m talking about vgc here not singles, ik people like singles I’m not getting into singles stuff (I have not touched it)

[dapper crag]

If you want to figure stuff, you play lots of games

No real way around that learning curve

[amber patrol]

Using infernape on my next team now that sounds fun

[molten oasis]

I would not suggest using infernape but good luck

[bold geode]

Step 1: Don't
I'll save that pain

[amber patrol]

Singles blows, I used to play it it's boring

[amber patrol]

I'll make any sucky pokemon work

[molten oasis]

Looks like stall simulator

[dapper crag]

Oh no go play some Randoms on showdown

[amber patrol]

I'll use electivire on that team too

[dapper crag]

It's actually a very fun and skill testing format

[bold geode]

Good luck then
You're gonna need more than it

[molten oasis]

Singles, like smogon format not random battles (which are fun I’ll give you that)

[dapper crag]

Random Battles are a smogon format

[amber patrol]

Yeah Smogon format is ok

[dapper crag]

It's the most popular one rn

[molten oasis]

How new are you? Didn’t you just start last reg?

[amber patrol]

I think they mean bss

[molten oasis]

It’s fun that makes sense

[amber patrol]

Does pokemon brick bronze count

[molten oasis]

Yea BSS

[dapper crag]

It's also very competitive

[molten oasis]

No, new to vgc

[dapper crag]

Being consistent with random teams is not that easy

[amber patrol]

Yeah last reg

[molten oasis]

please just, don’t do weird stuff yet for your own sanity. Id suggest using rentals or building off of common archetypes

[dapper crag]

Game sense is through the rough with this format, it's my new favorite thing for last month when I work and it's not rush

[molten oasis]

I started that way (it was a mistake)

[amber patrol]

I mean, if I can build one team I can build another

[dapper crag]

If you slap one weird Mon with 5 meta options it's fine

[molten oasis]

Sure, you still need very good knowledge of the format in order to build something good with a wack Mon

We don’t even know how the format will shape by the first regional

[dapper crag]

You pick top 5 usage slap your Mon and see how it goes

[amber patrol]

That's kinda what I did with my last team, though I tried to use high UU low OU

[bold geode]

I mean sure
But like
At the end of the day right, I'd be more scared of a person who is good with the fundamentals than the person who can slap random bullshit together and make it work

[molten oasis]

From there you can find weaknesses I suppose

(I still wouldn’t do wackmons so early)

[ember linden]

Would you guys chill out a bit?

[molten oasis]

I do wackmons cuz it keeps me playing the game

[dapper crag]

My coach told me it's better to play whatever you want then to spend hours and hours trying to craft the perfect team

[molten oasis]

Who’s your coach again?

[bold geode]

Ain't your coach Tang?

[amber patrol]

5 mega rayquazas 1 Rattata

[dapper crag]

Justin Tang

[ember linden]

I don’t recall any of them recommending playing this or this because it’s good.

[bold geode]

I doubt Tang would say that shit

[amber patrol]

I'm gonna bring back focus sash endeavor ‼️ (joke)

[dapper crag]

Vikxk we're super chill

[bold geode]

Anyways I'm chill
I've been chill

[ember linden]

I’m talking about Dray and Monke specifically

[molten oasis]

To get better I feel you do have to push for improvement, as in playing a little bit daily

[bold geode]

I've been chill lol

[molten oasis]

Even a few games a day can help

[ember linden]

You were 100% shitting on them for playing what they like, if they wish to play vgc that way don’t try and stray them away from what they wish.

[bold geode]

No I wasn't?

[dapper crag]

Vikxk don't start this pls, we're just discussing competitive lol

[amber patrol]

My rotom phone wont shut the fuck up

[dapper crag]

We're having fun, you're not a mod so you don't behave like one

[ember linden]

.

I may be interpreting that wrong sure I just hate seeing stuff like that I’m mot trying to be a mod.

[bold geode]

That wasn't shitting on them? I'm just saying it's good to get the fundamentals down

[molten oasis]

How does that do what you’re saying he did?

[dapper crag]

What ? I asked him what's best way to learn VGC, told me play lots of games don't bother building teams (because rentals gives your more mileage)

[bold geode]

Like gotta walk before you can run bro

[ember linden]

It seemed like you were taking a shot but if I’m wrong I’m wrong I apologize

[bold geode]

That kinda contradicts what you said somehow?

[dapper crag]

How so

[molten oasis]

Yea this is how you get fundamentals down

[bold geode]

Like THAT ONE I can believe he said

[ember linden]

No

[dapper crag]

Point the contradiction pls Monke

[molten oasis]

You need the fundamentals to go anywhere in any competitive game

[bold geode]

Oh wait the wording kinda nvm

[dapper crag]

I build a team using Munchstats in like 10-20 minutes, go from there and then adjust if I feel like it

[bold geode]

Wording fucked with me

[ember linden]

None of that is going on. Just a conversation

[bold geode]

Pikalytics is what I use

[dapper crag]

Did this with Brute Bonnet, adjusted after 100+ games

[amber patrol]

[dapper crag]

They're still on October stats 😉

Pikalytics hasn't update to November smogon data and it's been 23 days

[amber patrol]

Pikalytics takes too long to update

When it does it's good though

[bold geode]

🤷‍♂️

Yeah I guess quality instead of repetitive throwing out there

[amber patrol]

SHUT THE FUCK UP ROTOM

[ember linden]

I thought they did data based on Cart

[dapper crag]

Like if you want fresh stats, Munchstats or another more tournament/competitive oriented i can't recall

[bold geode]

Bro prolly thinking regionals

[dapper crag]

Pikalytics hasn't updated in over 50 days

[bold geode]

Or you mean Limitless?

[ember linden]

So do they collect data by cart or not?

Cause if they did that might explain some delay since it isn’t officially out yet

[molten oasis]

Don’t use pikanalytics, munchstats is better

[ember linden]

None of them should be updated to reg-f I feel bc we don’t have the format yet

[amber patrol]

How does archaludon get body press again

[ember linden]

They’ll most likely be similar but still

[molten oasis]

Reg f won’t have stats for a minute

[ember linden]

TM I believe

[dapper crag]

January rotation will include december reg F data from showdown

[molten oasis]

Tbf we also aren’t even sure if the paradox are legal, we’ll see in 3 days

(If they’re not I’m gonna cry)

[amber patrol]

What type is it

[molten oasis]

Fighting

[dapper crag]

That's true fuck we still don't have the banlist officially known

[molten oasis]

Yea if raging bolt isn’t legal

[dapper crag]

Raging Bolt is so good

[molten oasis]

torn shifu runs rampant for another 4 months

[ember linden]

They will most likely be legal, at least the catchable ones

[dapper crag]

They're all catchable

[ember linden]

I think the chances of them being legal is above the chance of them not being legal

[molten oasis]

Wake not being legal would be weird since they’re doing an event soon

[dapper crag]

They're running raid from 25 dec to 7 january for both

This likely signifies it's going to be included I would say

[bold geode]

I'm not legal
I'm too good they had to ban me

[molten oasis]

Not that anyone is really missing wake, it’s kinda only good on weather teams

[ember linden]

Sure, I say that bc Iron Leaves and Wake will not be obtained by a little bit of players bc I’m sure some will miss it

[molten oasis]

I wish it was better on its own it just isn’t

[ember linden]

Still likely all will be legal

[molten oasis]

Meanwhile bolt and fire are super strong on their own

I’m hoping gouging fire gets play it’s really cool

[ember linden]

Me too

[molten oasis]

Clear amulet ddance is kinda crazy imo

[dapper crag]

I will say Gouging Fire is absurd in Singles rn

The burn protect defensive set is nuts

[molten oasis]

Good defenses with good defensive typing and can’t be burned, like it’s rarely not getting a ddance up

[dapper crag]

But it doesn't get Sacred Fire 😦

[molten oasis]

Oh no, it has flare blitz lol

[ember linden]

Bro is NOT Entei

[molten oasis]

And yea it’s not entei imo

[dapper crag]

No it's Gouging Fire

[molten oasis]

Entei and gouging fire do very different things

[dapper crag]

Nobody thinks Paradoxes are variants lol

[molten oasis]

Besides offensive fire types

I think entei will be good with pao, and av is decent on it

[dapper crag]

Entei/Suicune definitely have their spotlight on some teams for sure

[molten oasis]

Suicune is fine

[dapper crag]

I like my doggos/cats whatever they are

[molten oasis]

I like that it’s a wall but that’s like, all it does. Set tw and exist lol

[dapper crag]

Scald burn fish is nice, Snarl is nice too

[molten oasis]

It is a very nice utility Mon

[dull ibex]

As if the teams it's good on aren't the most common teams in a given format

[molten oasis]

I have not seen wake on any torn shifu team

[dull ibex]

That's because it's not explored yet

[molten oasis]

I have seen wake with whims

That’s it lol. I agree I hope it gets explored more

[dull ibex]

We are still pre format and nobody is doing anything too expiremental yet

No ladder idiots using whatever they cobble together doesn't count (me)

[molten oasis]

Once meta settles a bit I hope we get to see more of the new dragons (I mean all of them)

Maybe not Hydra cuz Hydra is held back drastically by it’s typing

The others all look really good tho

[dull ibex]

I am excited to explore hyper offense now that tornshifu isn't the only option

[molten oasis]

Fair

I am a balance player so, I will explore balance

I will get Hydrapple balance to work

One of these days

[kindred cypress]

Which wheezing is better, galar or kanto?

[molten oasis]

Team dependent but kanto has typically been better

[kindred cypress]

For the big guy, to stop slow start?

Also what ev’s would I need for big guy?

[dapper crag]

A lot of attack since you can't STAB anything for super effective

[molten oasis]

252 hp 252 att or 252 att 252 speed is fine for Gigas

Kanto is better with Gigas

[mighty stump]

you definitely want Spe

and id just tera poison to resist Mane

[molten oasis]

Makes sense

It has good natural bulk anyway

[slate blade]

hello, would anyone be able to help me change the tera on two of my mons

[smoky hawk]

You don't have the shards?

[ionic shell]

should flutter have some bulk or should I just go all in spa and spedd

[smoky hawk]

Bulk is recommended unless running specs. Even then, I personally put a little into def

[ionic shell]

i see, even if im using hyper offensive teams?

[slate blade]

I dont, no

[torpid heron]

So I have come up with a possible move set for hydrapple that makes it more support oriented. I don't wanna actually set anything even in showdown rn but rn I'm thinking
-recover/protect (defense reasons)
-Infestation (to keep pokemon on the field who have a disadvantage? Idk this is heavily debatable)
-Yawn (sleep lmao)
-Syrup bomb (lowering speed and damage, the only thing is the accuracy:/)
Any thoughts?

[wispy spade]

What does the experts think of this team for reg F?

Watershifu

[molten oasis]

Looks like standard ho stuff

Should work fine. I sleep now

[wispy spade]

[ember linden]

A good support set for Hydrapple would be Fickle Beam, Giga drain, Yawn, Protect+lefties and regenerator

Syrup bomb is mid, same with infestation, recover with regenerator is meh

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/22fa78207d0aabfb hmm, what to place here

I tried mane shifu and hands they felt okay or I just didn’t like them (mane felt bleh, shifu was okay, hands was okay)

[true niche]

can raging bolt have 0 IVs in attack?

[pearl wind]

[wispy spade]

do we know what Entei's biggest threats will be?

[mighty stump]

Lando-I

[cyan smelt]

lando, bundle

[mighty stump]

Walking Wake

Urshifu

[wispy spade]

well it's never surviving lando i or urshifu as fire

[mighty stump]

Incin be like:

[wispy spade]

i want a multiscale extreme speed user, but i hate the orange one

it's so ugly

[mighty stump]

Yeah unfortunately aesthetic has no bearing

[fallen shore]

What's a good website that gives all the stat's and builds of pokemon in SV for singled and doubles?

[wispy spade]

i'm already pushing that limit with the water and fire monkeys

[wispy spade]

https://www.pikalytics.com/

[molten oasis]

Munchstats is better

[wispy spade]

never heard of it

[molten oasis]

https://www.munchstats.com/

It’s actually updated stats

[wispy spade]

doesn't have reg F though

[molten oasis]

Nothing will it’s only been like a week

[wispy spade]

If flutter has the same stats in spa and speed, which one gets boosted by protosynthesis?

[tepid fiber]

can anyone help me with my team

[unkempt jetty]

what’s the best tera for a pivot incineroar (not fully decided set yet but fake out parting shot snarl flare blitz seems likely)

[tepid fiber]

i like grass to stop amoongus but water is also good cos then u reirst urshifu but up to u

[unkempt jetty]

i mean grass also resists urshifu lol

[mighty stump]

Meanwhile Pokestats:

[willow vault]

Meanwhile: Nostats

[next stump]

coin flip

[wispy spade]

oh no

[plush magnet]

whats the best pokemon i should definetly catch and train in new DLC? Apart from Incineroar of course

[wispy spade]

all of them for dex

[fallen garden]

cottonee

everyone's favorite prankster mon

[orchid bay]

Going to run Metagross on my DLC team but with Iron Head and Psychic Fangs. Should I go adamant for the slight drop in dmg output the moves give?

If someone @ me with an answer, I’ll not forget about my post aha

[karmic temple]

Adamant increases attack so yes that’s what you want ideally, but story mode isn’t hard so it doesn’t matter too much

[orchid bay]

I want to believe it’s hard… like o believe in Santa at 33 🤫

Ha. But yes. I’ll go adamant and breed

[wispy spade]

I'm not saying i'm a bad player, but my full lvl 100 vgc team had casualties during the story

[tepid fiber]

can i have help with my comp team

[wispy spade]

[orchid bay]

Interesting

[bold geode]

What format is it

[tepid fiber]

it 2v2 vgc

i’ll send u the team i have soo far

[acoustic harness]

I am going insane

[keen karma]

Why is hatterene there

[acoustic harness]

I need a trick Room setter

[tawdry tapir]

Does indeedee F still only learn TR through that raid exploit?

[summer shore]

Criminal team name

[acoustic harness]

Which one

[acoustic harness]

No idea, only using her for Expanding Force and Follow Me Shenanigans

Need terrain setter for Iron Crown

[bold geode]

Shirgo

[summer shore]

Mnky

[bold geode]

Shr

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 727: Incineroar

Types

Fire/Dark

Abilities

Blaze, Intimidate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/115/90/80/90/60

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[near crag]

Why is H liligant the best after you user?

[chrome knot]

fast

[bold geode]

Yeah it's fast under sun, which is why it makes Lillikoal go crazy

[bold geode]

Also HAI EMMIE

[next stump]

having STAB fighting coverage is also nice for things like Heatran

[bold geode]

NUH UH

Morning Dillon

[near crag]

Also, is maushold viable?

[next stump]

I think as a redirection user it's usable but not nearly as good as it used to be

Clefairy is normally just better

good morning 🙂

[tidal blade]

afaik its the fastest one if you use chlorophyll + sun

which makes it good with torkoal

[charred saddle]

hits 300 speed with hlilli haha

• sun = 314

which outspeeds almost every mon without speed boost i think

but after you does get redirected by moves like followme/ rage powder, so keep that in mind

[chrome knot]

idt grass types are redirected by rage powder

[bold geode]

Yeah it don't lol
Unless you tera, it just don't happen

[charred saddle]

ye its after you in general

[nocturne holly]

thank you monke
for managing to repeat what Emma said
also repeated it twice
thank you for your work and dedication

[gentle crag]

.begulajr. has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[mighty stump]

I mean, it adds to it at least

[bold geode]

Ez rep

[nocturne holly]

give me rep now

[bold geode]

No

[azure citrus]

question about hydro steam. is it just as strong in the rain as it is in the sun? or is sun just flat out better for it?

[bold geode]

Sun is better as it also procs Photosynthesis for Wake as well as gives Hydro Steam boost, but yes rain would also boost Hydro Steam as it is a Water type move

[azure citrus]

yea i definitely understand the ability proc, i was just curious if the damage output was the same as if it were in the sun

cause im conflicted on running either a sun or rain team with it

[dapper crag]

Move: Hydro Steam

If the current weather is Sunny Day and the user is not holding Utility Umbrella, this move's damage is multiplied by 1.5 instead of halved for being Water type.

Type

Water

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Defrost

Thaws the user if frozen.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

Move: Rain Dance

For 5 turns, the weather becomes Rain Dance. The damage of Water-type attacks is multiplied by 1.5 and the damage of Fire-type attacks is multiplied by 0.5 during the effect. Lasts for 8 turns if the user is holding Damp Rock. Fails if the current weather is Rain Dance.

Type

Water

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[bold geode]

It's the same

[azure citrus]

ah ok. so i guess it thrives in either

just chuck a booster on it if in the rain

[tepid fiber]

but if u run rain u can’t get the burn

that tho only down side

[azure citrus]

i dont think hydro steam burns

[bold geode]

Scald gives burn

[mighty stump]

You get more value in Sun due to Protosynthesis being active.

[azure citrus]

that would be busted as hell if it could

[tepid fiber]

pritty shore he does

[mighty stump]

It doesn't lol

[dapper crag]

Move: Hydro Steam

If the current weather is Sunny Day and the user is not holding Utility Umbrella, this move's damage is multiplied by 1.5 instead of halved for being Water type.

Type

Water

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Defrost

Thaws the user if frozen.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[azure citrus]

wish we had more drought users. ninetales feels meh and torkoal feels useless without TR

[bold geode]

disagrees in Lillikoal

[azure citrus]

or right lilligant

sometimes forget thats a thing

[tepid fiber]

u could us a min with sunny day i suppose

[azure citrus]

wake learns it too, but that feels like a wasted slot

[tepid fiber]

mon

[bold geode]

Yeah
Whimsicott
Tornadus

[azure citrus]

ye best bet is trickster weather setters

[mighty stump]

Prankster

[azure citrus]

prankster *

i havent slept yet, mind my brain fog

[bold geode]

But I love Trickster Grimmsnarl

[azure citrus]

has there ever been any viable team that can run both rain and sun? or is that too messy

[tepid fiber]

ye

[mighty stump]

Meh

[tepid fiber]

just depend how u play it

[mighty stump]

The only teams that have had dual weather isn';t even a true dedicated "weather" team

[tepid fiber]

when kyoga and groundon was in the swsh they was quite acuple but now not really

[mighty stump]

The Sunny Day is just to reduce Urshifu's damage output for the HO mode that doesn';t have resists

While Rain-Dance was meant to enable your own Urshifu.

Even so it was kinda meh

[tidal blade]

I’ve been using one to success

its mostly sun centered tbh

[mighty stump]

Yeah but like what is the bar of success here

[tidal blade]

then i have rain dance for ursh

[bold geode]

Just like how in ORAS days, how Primal Kyogre and Primal Groudon were there to cancel each other out

[tidal blade]

well uh not getting completely obliterated on ladder

[mighty stump]

That is a low bar

[azure citrus]

yea but im not really factoring in uber tier legends for that

[tidal blade]

well atleast its usable

[azure citrus]

time to plot out a sun team

[tidal blade]

does anyone know if the spread damage debuff still applies if you miss a target/immune to the move?

[mighty stump]

It appllies.

[tidal blade]

[bold geode]

Supersweet Syrup

[azure citrus]

wait when the hell did lilligant learn ice spinner

or did it always have that and ive not noticed

[bold geode]

I think it already did

I mean it's not a bad option
Could be like Valiant Skill Swap

[azure citrus]

deciding on item for walking wake

[bold geode]

Give paradoxes HAs (probably wouldn't matter, just for the fuck of it)

[mighty stump]

just LO it

[nocturne holly]

absolutely not

imagine if hands used its ability

[bold geode]

Give Hands Guts bitches

[azure citrus]

hands already has enough

too tanky for its own good

[bold geode]

Actually no Flutter Mane is real good so give it Guts just to give it the middle finger

[azure citrus]

feel like im obligated to put incin on this team

mr. VGC

[nocturne holly]

give hands like fuckin intim and watch hell break loose

[bold geode]

The Mr VGC himself
Hell even his new dex entry photo looks smug
Like he knows he's the shit

[azure citrus]

the fact they handed it helping hand really just puts the nail in

[bold geode]

I remember that fake Teal Mask leak where they tried giving Blood Moon Intimidate and everyone was freaking tf out

Hell looking back at it, that leak was so obviously fake

[azure citrus]

now that i think about it, how do most people build incin? just really fat?

[nocturne holly]

real
I remembered a leak where supposedly okidogi got guts
And it was like base 110 spe

[bold geode]

That's the one lmao

Hell Okidogi wasn't even the worry there
The leak also showed that Fezandipiti had Serene Grace and that Munkidori had Shadow Tag

If that happened, Rain Perish would've popped off

[azure citrus]

hmm, i wonder if venusaur is still good in sun teams

[summer shore]

Can you believe it guys? Christmas, just a day away!

[azure citrus]

alright, quick mashup, opinions?

https://pokepast.es/f59fcbfe3450e3a7

[nocturne holly]

OH YEAH LMAO

[nocturne holly]

imo torn kinda sticks out

you could go for a tr mode
add a setter then another tr option

ez sunroom

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/can-you-believe-guys-christmas-one-week-until-christmas-im-so-thriled-about-this-information-christmas-christmas-meme-gif-24202287

[charred saddle]

pretty christmasy for me

[thick geyser]

Im still iffy about the team and was wondering how it looks https://pokepast.es/a14175bee183127d

[charred saddle]

[surreal echo]

what's the purpose of basculegion here?

[charred saddle]

swift swim sweep

[surreal echo]

kind of seems redundant since you already have a water type sweeper in urshifu

that is also scarfed

[azure citrus]

i was lookin at pory2, been hearing good things about it this gen

[charred saddle]

its there but ye, im more into why not other intim choice

flareblitz in rain isnt that nice so

[mighty stump]

If its a rain team I don't see a problem

[thick geyser]

What would you change it for

[charred saddle]

but ye still nice

[mighty stump]

Incin just means you don't have to play rain HO.

[surreal echo]

something to help with raging bolt imo

[charred saddle]

yeah, i just dont like getting locked into wanting running rain, then its hard for incin

lando doesnt really get the problem ig

[surreal echo]

archaludon unfortunately can't be your only answer

chien-pao can be put in instead to enable urshifu, or landorus-I

I'm actually running something a little similar

lemme just find it

https://pokepast.es/b104a9425a10571b

This is the rain team I've been more or less running for a good few days. Landorus-I was there before Chien-Pao but I decided to slot in Pao after seeing it do well in rain in the tournament yesterday

I'd actually appreciate any advice if you guys have any

[thick geyser]

Y d puls

[surreal echo]

so that archaludon can stay in longer and maintain the electro shot/stamina boosts

which in turn, means more powerful body press

your team is a little more hyper offensive though, so it might not be necessary for you

[thick geyser]

Yea i run stalwart for that reason

So into tera fair flutter u relaying on arch to get that

[surreal echo]

nah archaludon even with av isn't bulky enough

as long as flutter mane isn't booster energy speed, urshifu can outspeed and kill it

if it is though, then i'd say archaludon can handle it since it won't be hitting as hard

[mighty stump]

Stamina is just way better

I just think Electro Shot is kinda bait

Tbolt is less overall weather dependant and losing out on a moveslot just because the weather changed sucks to me

But Archaludon next to a healer is a good enough Urshifu check

They can't click CC otherwise they die to Tbolt + get affected by Intim or is just overall punished by clicking Surging

Meanwhile with Body Press sets you're just a lot more free to click Draco Meteor rather than sticking with DPulse

Once you fire one off you just start clicking Body Press

[thick geyser]

@surreal echo wanna try ur team against mine

[nocturne holly]

what

[pale mica]

Urshifu without punching pad can attack burning malwark without being burned?

[kindred cypress]

Yes, and all shields

[pale mica]

oh dangg

should have DDance in front of that bear

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/5013430493bca01c thoughts on a 5th and 6th?

[nocturne holly]

Bolt looks fine tbh

I can also see hands working instead

Archaludon is also an option

[molten oasis]

so 3 fairy weaknesses lovely

[tired sage]

tera grass shifu…?
wouldn’t you still go down to flying tera blast lando?

[brittle crystal]

Hi guys, I need your opinion about my future ranked team in scarlet. What should I change or something ?

Double battle:

Charizard (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Solar Power
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Heat Wave
• Solar Beam
• Air Slash
• Dragon Pulse

Torkoal (M) @ Charcoal
Ability: Drought
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Eruption
• Stealth Rock
• Helping Hand
• Protect

Lilligant-Hisui @ Focus Sash
Ability: Chlorophyll
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Solar Blade
• Close Combat
• After You
• Protect

Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Shadow Ball
• Power Gem
• Thunderbolt

Thundurus @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Sunny Day
• Taunt
• Thunder Wave
• Wildbolt Storm

Terapagos (M) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Tera Shift
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Bug Buzz
• Earth Power
• Flash Cannon

[next stump]

Can you link the pokepaste instead? And also please specify if it’s for doubles or singles

[molten oasis]

It’s for amoonguss and raging bolt, also when was the last time you saw lando t?

[nocturne holly]

bro my team also has 3 weaknesses and it’s fine

[molten oasis]

Lando I is the new hype

[molten oasis]

What is your team

[nocturne holly]

nvm it’s just 2

still

[molten oasis]

Stfu then lol

If I have 3 fairy weaknesses I need a definitive answer to mane

[brittle crystal]

Doubles

[nocturne holly]

Vgc? If yes terapagos isn’t legal yet

[brittle crystal]

So what should I put there instead of terapagos?

[nocturne holly]

can you send a poke paste it’s easier to look at

[brittle crystal]

Okay

[azure citrus]

this team is awful yet its been working, lmfao https://pokepast.es/7cb3d1e466209060

[brittle crystal]

https://pokepast.es/88f71e3df3ca3417

[molten oasis]

Aww hell nah not the contrary skill swap stuff

[kindred cypress]

Ok, it wouldn’t let me do the link, but how does it look?

[molten oasis]

It’s probably fine

Weezing wants sitrus not sash

[kindred cypress]

Any new mons I could try out that would fit well here?

[molten oasis]

Also wisp not toxic spikes

Vgc does not care about spikes half the time

[dull ibex]

hello everyone!

[broken relic]

Hi anyone want to do doubles normal rules or a multi battle?

[keen karma]

Lets go shiny delibird

My reg f team is complete

[tired sage]

yesterday xD

[molten oasis]

Did you see lando I yesterday? And if you did how many compared to t?

[tired sage]

no lando I but lots of psyspam

saw maybe 4 teams out of the 20 games i played yesterday running lando T

[molten oasis]

huh

I prob had the reverse cuz I saw lando I a lot

[tawdry tapir]

Chadly behavior

[molten oasis]

k guess I’ll find the members cuz no one knows what to add

[tired sage]

but ladder differences i guess

cause i’m still pretty low…

[molten oasis]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 116 HP / 108 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt: 180-212 (83.7 - 98.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO funny

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 116 HP / 92 Def Raging Bolt: 180-212 (83.7 - 98.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO funny

[nocturne holly]

I’ve haven’t seen any lmao

[nocturne holly]

what the fuck

[molten oasis]

Nice iron bundle bro

252 SpA Iron Bundle Freeze-Dry vs. 116 HP / 108 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt: 78-92 (36.2 - 42.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

3HKO lmfao

[nocturne holly]

max hp is still better imo

did you add bolt

To the team

[molten oasis]

Max hp prob doesn’t always live moonblast (not Tera fsiry)

[nocturne holly]

yea ik

max hp with some sp def invest

[molten oasis]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt: 204-240 (87.9 - 103.4%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO my calc is literally better

I also want evs for defense and spA, im not doing 252 stuff

[nocturne holly]

also you’re running av? Why

[molten oasis]

Why not

[nocturne holly]

av feels weird
Send the paste

calm mind safety goggles feel so much better

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/4e94b97578e5243b

Goggles is taken I’m not doing calm mind stuff

[nocturne holly]

Fari can run a hell ton of items

[molten oasis]

I’m not doing what everyone else is doing

Y’all test the goggles calm mind stuff I’ll test this

[nocturne holly]

🫠

[molten oasis]

The other 2 items I’d run on Fari are taken

Sitrus and helm

[nocturne holly]

It can run lorb and throat spray tbh

[molten oasis]

I don’t like throat spray Fari

Why tf would you run lorb Fari

[nocturne holly]

it won a recent tourney recently I think, Dillon showed it

[fallen garden]

Extra damage

[molten oasis]

Especially here considering it’s my support Mon

[nocturne holly]

the reasoning is that once you tr and stuff, you’re not doing a lot of damage and just sitting there

[fallen garden]

Best way to support the team is to get KOs

[molten oasis]

helping hand

[nocturne holly]

@next stump which team was it that had the LO fari

[fallen garden]

Depending on the team comp, I can see some LO spread damage helping more than HH

Especially if you ever need to click protect for its partner

What multiplier of benefit does helping hand give

[nocturne holly]

1.5 iirc

[molten oasis]

I’m not doing lorb on Fari rn

[next stump]

san antonio regional champion

[nocturne holly]

you can atleast test it ig
“I’m not doing what everyone else is doing”

[nocturne holly]

Thx

[gentle crag]

.begulajr. has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[nocturne holly]

it’s fine if you don’t wanna, just a thought

[bronze niche]

is hydro steam considered a fire or water type move?

[smoky hawk]

Water

But it powers up in sun

[molten oasis]

You know I was specifically referring to bolt not in general

[smoky hawk]

Hydro steam is torkoal's worst nightmare

[bronze niche]

should i give mystic water to walking wake to make hydro steam much more powerful in sun? (im using it with torkoal)

[molten oasis]

Life orb is its best item imo

[bronze niche]

yeah i was thinking that

also, where do i max out ivs again?

[molten oasis]

In one of the towns on the snow mountain in Paldea

With bottle caps

[nocturne holly]

Alr mr. bolt Stan

[molten oasis]

[tepid fiber]

can someone help me chose a last mon that would benefit my team

or improve it in general

[keen karma]

how do i ev my whimsicott

[chrome knot]

04/00/00/252/00/252

[keen karma]

really?

not hp?

[chrome knot]

no its thin as paper

it goes sash

[keen karma]

sunny day encore tailwind what else

moonblast?

[static ice]

Hey I need some assistance so I came back from a vgc break and I used to use nasty plot Spectrier so I thought I could take that same idea and use new mons that make it better so I immediately arrived at alola ninetales and roaring moon but what should my other 3 mons be? I guess urshifu could be one but what else? Any thoughts are appreciated

[charred cloud]

Hey I know Meganium isn't used for competitive but is it physical or special?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 154: Meganium

Type

Grass

Abilities

Overgrow, Leaf Guard (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/82/100/83/100/80

Total

525

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

Meganium's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Bullet Seed, Counter, Cut, Double-Edge, Dragon Tail, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Flail, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Headbutt, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Natural Gift, Outrage, Petal Blizzard, Razor Leaf, Return, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Solar Blade, Stomping Tantrum, Strength, Tackle, Take Down, Trailblaze, Vine Whip, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Echoed Voice, Energy Ball, Frenzy Plant, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Grass Pledge, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mud-Slap, Petal Dance, Round, Snore, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Weather Ball, Wring Out

Status Moves

Aromatherapy, Attract, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Curse, Detect, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Grass Whistle, Grassy Terrain, Growl, Heal Pulse, Helping Hand, Ingrain, Laser Focus, Leech Seed, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Mimic, Nature Power, Poison Powder, Protect, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Safeguard, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Scent, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Toxic, Work Up, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Meganium.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[molten oasis]

Physical ig

[charred cloud]

Omg I didn't realize meganium's numbers were that bad...

[nocturne holly]

Yea just max max sash Tera ghost

I’m turning into monke

[bold geode]

You'll never be me bitch

I am him

Anyways I'm back now after hosting another tournament
Went smoother than I thought lol

[plush magnet]

tbh not that many starters are good in competitive

[bold geode]

Why is Meganium so ass

[keen karma]

ok now host a reg f tourney

[bold geode]

I actually just did lmao

Should've spread the word around more tbh

[plush magnet]

Someone should hit Masterball with Kieran Team. I think its pretty possible

[bold geode]

But I can't promote here so

[bold geode]

With the random Tera Fighting Hydrapple? Yeah no

[plush magnet]

well, he kinda wrecked me with his fighting tera, i thought ice type would destroy his hydrapple, but he juked me xD

[bold geode]

I mean.......
Your loss?

[chrome knot]

one singular fairy type

[bold geode]

I actively don't get why it's that though lol
But it's whatever I beat his ass all the same

[plush magnet]

Fighting isnt really random tera, ice type coverage. But you can change it to fairy tera in competitive

[bold geode]

EMMIE

[chrome knot]

what do you want

[fallen garden]

He chose fighting as a defensive tera when steel is right there

Maybe he just likes being weak to fairy

[chrome knot]

or flying

[fallen garden]

Kieren also runs weird moves on incin

[chrome knot]

died too quick for me to see

[plush magnet]

changing lariat to knock off would be good

[bold geode]

Hi Emmie
How you

[chrome knot]

good

hru

[bold geode]

I'm good

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/393f595396822a0a what do I add to this?

[fallen garden]

I'm not even sure it used fake out against me

[nocturne holly]

You hosted? Where

[bold geode]

Limitless

[molten oasis]

Im gonna lose my mind

[bold geode]

Add Gholdengo bitch

[next stump]

made top cut of my MSS 🙂

[nocturne holly]

Dillon W

[bold geode]

Nice

[nocturne holly]

Damn I didn’t know lol

[keen karma]

GG

[molten oasis]

I really need more special attack and another Mon weak to flutter good idea

[bold geode]

Man idfk

[nocturne holly]

what do you want then bruuuhh

[bold geode]

Everything is Flutter weak

[keen karma]

What

[nocturne holly]

you keep shooting down everyone’s ideas
basically me when we watch a movie

[keen karma]

I mean depending on your team you can use dengo to annoy flutters

Or heatran

[molten oasis]

Until I get shadow balled or forced to Tera

[keen karma]

It beats flutter

[nocturne holly]

Heat doesn’t sound bad

[bold geode]

Eeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhh

[nocturne holly]

Tbh I like heat there

[molten oasis]

I need something physical I do not need more special after adding raging bolt

[keen karma]

Fym Eeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhh

Flash cannon destroys it

[nocturne holly]

brother atleast test it
why do you need more physical atk

[bold geode]

Gholdengo does not know Flash Cannon

[molten oasis]

mm yes snarl spam looks so fun to fight

[keen karma]

I said heat

[nocturne holly]

YOU TUCKING IDIOT HE SAID HEAT

[keen karma]

Gholdengo does btw

[bold geode]

Ok Cigar no need

[dapper crag]

Gholdengo's moveset:

Physical Moves

Astonish, Fling, Focus Punch, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Poltergeist, Tackle, Take Down, Thief, Thunder Punch

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Dazzling Gleam, Electro Ball, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Hex, Hyper Beam, Make It Rain, Night Shade, Power Gem, Psychic, Psyshock, Shadow Ball, Steel Beam, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt

Status Moves

Confuse Ray, Endure, Light Screen, Memento, Metal Sound, Nasty Plot, Protect, Recover, Reflect, Rest, Sandstorm, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Thunder Wave, Trick

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Gholdengo.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[bold geode]

It does wtf

[nocturne holly]

dude make up your mind bro
you’re gonna have to fight snarl or intim or shit
you can test it
or do you have any other ideas?

[keen karma]

No one runs it though

[molten oasis]

I can play around intim better than I can play around snarl spam

[bold geode]

I'm so used to seeing Make it Rain I didn't even know lmao

[keen karma]

Because make it rain is better

[bold geode]

Okidogi

[molten oasis]

Cuz at least they have to cycle intimidate

With snarl you just spam click the move

[bold geode]

That's my one suggestion
Physical attacker
Punishes Intimidate a bit
And doesn't immediately die to Flutter

[molten oasis]

ugh, fine, 2 wackmons yippee

[bold geode]

Okidogi ain't wack?

[molten oasis]

If tofu thinks Primarina is a wack Mon Okidogi is in the same boat

[keen karma]

Why do you hold his opinion so highly

Build your own opinions on pokemon

[molten oasis]

What opinions

EVERYTIME I HAVE AN OPINION IM ATTACKED

[bold geode]

I mean
I think it's wack as in not meta
Not crazy

[keen karma]

Bro im talking about you mentioning tofu

[molten oasis]

also we shouldn’t do Okidogi that stacks ground weaknesses

[keen karma]

Not your opinion

[molten oasis]

Sorry

[molten oasis]

I’m aware, however

Whenever I develop an opinion on something someone or multiple people get on my ass about it and tell me that I’m wrong

[bold geode]

Only concern really be Lando and you got Urshifu and Farigiraf if it teras

And Hydrapple

[keen karma]

It took me like 5 minutes to build my whims in game wow

[molten oasis]

Ep on heatran or Hydrapple