chargestone cavern was it called?
#competitive_discussion
minor panther
molten oasis
I’m considering maybe doing clear amu ddance too
With follow me ogerpon
I think they could go hard
minor panther
its in chargestone cavern, it should be hiding behind one of the big crystals
nocturne holly
I’m considering maybe doing clear amu ddance too
Send the team
what would you do ogerpon over? Primarina?
amber patrol
its in chargestone cavern, it should be hiding behind one of the big crystals
Oh thanks
minor panther
no problem
molten oasis
what would you do ogerpon over? Primarina?
I’m building a new team my guy
nocturne holly
I’m building a new team my guy
how the fuck was I supposed to know
molten oasis
Although Prima would be good defensive synergy with gouging fire
nocturne holly
aren’t you like
Mr. I have to make hydrapple work raaah raaaaaah
minor panther
Although Prima would be good defensive synergy with gouging fire
what was the move that disables recovery again?
tired sage
psyspam lorb reuniclus is a thing yeah…
molten oasis
I’m putting it on hold for PASRS
molten oasis
what was the move that disables recovery again?
Psychic noise
minor panther
psychic noise would be effected by liquid voice, so primarina could get stab on it
tired sage
psychic noise would be effected by liquid voice, so primarina could get stab on ...
yes
molten oasis
Yea sure
amber patrol
This a good move set for electivire?
molten oasis
u able to run a friendly
When I’m done with this team I’m building
molten oasis
This a good move set for electivire?
Again, wild charge is better than supercell, but otherwise it’s fine
tired sage
This a good move set for electivire?
uh….
wild charge >>> supercell
amber patrol
What I kinda mean is what EV spread should I use
And what moveset, I think this moveset works best with 252 speed
tired sage
i was thinking just max max adamant
amber patrol
That's what I've got, adamant, 252 atk
But what I'm wondering is if I should run a bulkier build or a more offensive build
tired sage
idk haven’t really looked into electevire’s set
amber patrol
It does get knockoff
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/1a7b0138368c0a9d thoughts on other members? You say flutter I’m leaving
Oh hold up av gambit goes hard here
https://pokepast.es/52540ad9fb7c42fc ok thoughts on a 6th?
Fari might end up on most of my teams for the foreseeable future tbh
I really like Fari with psychic noise
ember linden
Yeah it’s so fucking good
tired sage
yeah.
giraffe is nice to play with…
i need to get used to playing giraffe tho…
:0
thunderclap is just electric type sucker punch-
copper snow
Guys did I cook a bit? https://pokepast.es/d9ef096453ac44d3
Idk if it’s good, my first match with this team was 60 turns or so
amber patrol
What item should I run on electivire?
tired sage
Idk if it’s good, my first match with this team was 60 turns or so
singles or doubles…?
tired sage
i didn’t see that’s my fault-
copper snow
Not saying it’s anyone faults, its just question that can be answered by opening the doc
tired sage
yeah…
uh…
i can’t offer much in terms of singles…
karmic temple
Most of us play doubles vgc here so you might not get a good answer
tired sage
also a 60 turn battle def can’t be in doubles
tired sage
vgc doubles is like…
15 turns max xD…
the amount of KO and speed we go through is faaast
copper snow
I’ll have to play regulations then
fallen rivet
Yo what are some good farigaraf builds
tired sage
Yo what are some good farigaraf builds
uh…
psychic noise is really good on giraffe…
molten oasis
vgc doubles is like…
15 turns max xD…
the amount of KO and speed we go through i...
Unless you play stall 
molten oasis
Yo what are some good farigaraf builds
Farigiraf (F) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 204 HP / 108 Def / 44 SpA / 140 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dazzling Gleam
- Psychic Noise
- Helping Hand
- Trick Room
tired sage
Unless you play stall <:bruh:1131436272313974844>
isn’t that just asking to play until timer-
molten oasis
Goggles and sitrus can used too
tired sage
it’s like 10 min max right?
molten oasis
isn’t that just asking to play until timer-
Yep
20 minutes
Unless you’re on showdown have fun doing that
tired sage
oh dam that’s longer then i thought…
fallen rivet
Farigiraf (F) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Te...
Thanks
topaz sluice
Joe
tidal blade
this has to be the luckiest i've ever been
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2016270488-o79m30dosw0l7g4zbpmcbky53qh8qggpw
amber patrol
Would you want a steel or electric tera on archaludon?
tidal blade
tidal blade
Would you want a steel or electric tera on archaludon?
fairy
tidal blade
well if youre playing vgc dragons are everywhere
also gets rid of your ground weakness and gives you a fighting resist
makes the urshifu matchup even better
amber patrol
So electric tera
molten oasis
Wow wtf
tidal blade
and you resist fairy's only weaknesses before terastalizing
amber patrol
Stab electro shot, plus I have stuff to counter ground
tired sage
DAM
tired sage
So electric tera
still weak to ground is the problem i think…
amber patrol
still weak to ground is the problem i think…
Ice punch electivire, trailblaze too, alolan ninetails
I could also maybe give blastoise ice beam if needed
tired sage
trailblaze isn’t gonna do much-
amber patrol
Still, stab electro shot would be worth the risk
tired sage
up to you ig… ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tough idol
Any word on Ir9n Boulder being legal for new reg? Or should I wait for start?
tough idol
It's shortlisted due to the protect bypass, but yh typing bad
knotty mirage
I guess it do makes it more balanced in a way i mean look at urshifu
tough idol
Contemplating dropping Lando T for it
fallen rivet
I did some cooking but then realized the original team I had is probably still my favorite
tired sage
i tried to cook a team with swampert and i think i burned the building down…
elder bridge
Does anyone have any strategies to stall out tailwind against tor and urshifu and flutter mane
bold geode
Have tanky shit like Hands is real good into it
Bundle is also good into Torn Shifu
Also Protects
About it
Or if you have a Trick Room mode that helps too
molten oasis
Does anyone have any strategies to stall out tailwind against tor and urshifu an...
Raging bolt is VERY good into tornshifu
woven zodiac
deoxys speed is still meta right'
woven zodiac
Would you want a steel or electric tera on archaludon?
i like flying
karmic temple
deoxys speed is still meta right'
Vgc doubles it’s not allowed and most of us don’t do singles ou
tired sage
we love to see it
i-
that’s possible-?
molten oasis
Suicune can walk on water
tired sage
yeah-
suisui has been able to for a while…
wake also walks on water
orchid grove
Was wondering if a swampert and clodsire water team would be do-able cuz I just like them a lot
Should it be a rain dance team or do I give up on just water types and think of something else
tired sage
as much as it pains me…
swampy doesn’t fare well this meta…
tired sage
if only swampy got swift swim instead of damp
cyan smelt
Mega swampert gets swift swim, why can't they change its ability like they did with empoleon
orchid grove
Literally just use urshifu
Don't own the other games I'm broke and ain't nobody gonna give away an urshifu
tired sage
even with rindo and max hp max def, it’ll be left at like… 10% hp left to a grassy glide
tired sage
Don't own the other games I'm broke and ain't nobody gonna give away an urshifu
do you have the dlc for s/v?
orchid grove
Nope
tired sage
welp…
tired sage
swamp isn’t gonna do well… that’s all i can say
molten oasis
Don't own the other games I'm broke and ain't nobody gonna give away an urshifu
Man
That sucks
Hopefully you can get your hands on the dlc
orchid grove
Is a rain dance team good tho or do I have to be another trickroom and wind set up team
Or is there a new meta I'm new to all of this so I only know some old stuff
karmic temple
Don't own the other games I'm broke and ain't nobody gonna give away an urshifu
The bright side is there are going to be more kub/urshi in rotation so you never know you might find someone giving them out
queen monolith
Is iron valient good at all?
karmic temple
Not particularly in doubles, I think it’s ok in singles
sudden geyser
how relevant is for blood moon ursaluna to be 0 atk iv?
because after 5 hours finally found a 0 speed iv one but jesus that atk iv is big
vale epoch
Ambipom losing tail slap is so annoying
wild cairn
is this a good comp. moveset build for Empoleon: Hydro Pump, Flash Cannon, Ice Beam, Vaccum Wave
bold geode
Don't own the other games I'm broke and ain't nobody gonna give away an urshifu
You'd be surprised
bold geode
how relevant is for blood moon ursaluna to be 0 atk iv?
Not as relevant now considering nothing uses Foul Play lmao
bold geode
is this a good comp. moveset build for Empoleon: Hydro Pump, Flash Cannon, Ice B...
And if you're AV it's not a bad one
But also consider Water Pledge
sudden geyser
I m super tempted to save game then, was watching i m blissy and he took almost 20 hours to get one
bold geode
how relevant is for blood moon ursaluna to be 0 atk iv?
Also what is this
sudden geyser
think 0 speed iv should be good enough, especially since its for online play and i dont plan on going to regionals nor anything
is there a better website?
wild cairn
And if you're AV it's not a bad one
But also consider Water Pledge
i am running assault vest. also, what move should I replace for Water Pledge?
bold geode
i am running assault vest. also, what move should I replace for Water Pledge?
Pump
Water Pledge apparently ignores Storm Drain iirc
vale epoch
What would be a good build for ambipom in singles?
faint nest
What mons work good with hydrapple
ember linden
What would be a good build for ambipom in singles?
That’s a question for Shiro
bold geode
What mons work good with hydrapple
So it depends on the set right
If you run Supersweet Syrup, things with lower accuracy moves like for example Chi Yu and Iron Bundle can work, Incineroar just works regardless
But with Regenerator, Incineroar can also work well there once again due to it liking to pivot in and out therefore it can help proc Regenerator
Also things that can take Fairy hits like Heatran possibly or Kingambit or take Ice attacks like once again Incineroar, Harc, Heatran (Incineroar is good regardless)
That's a few things to consider
signal pine
Hi! I'm kinda new to the server, and I wanted to know, can I share here a team that I made to get some feedback? owo
karmic temple
Hi! I'm kinda new to the server, and I wanted to know, can I share here a team t...
Yeah send the poke paste and we can take a look
karmic temple
What would be a good build for ambipom in singles?
Fake out and last resort are the only two you need tbh. Last resort too strong and ambipom is too frail to use more than 3 moves in singles
signal pine
Cool!
Dipplin @ Eviolite
Ability: Supersweet Syrup
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Syrup Bomb
- Pollen Puff
- Protect
Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Competitive
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Coil
- Hypnosis
- Protect
- Scald
Chi-Yu @ Focus Sash
Ability: Beads of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Overheat
- Nasty Plot
- Protect
- Dark Pulse
Iron Hands @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Close Combat
- Drain Punch
- Volt Switch
Landorus-Therian @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Rock Slide
- U-turn
- Tera Blast
- Protect
Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Dazzling Gleam
- Poltergeist
- Thunder
- Tera Blast
karmic temple
Friend send the actual poke paste link
https://pokepast.es/8a2beac71d4ed058 <-example it makes it easier to see
And is this singles or doubles?
tired sage
i came back to a text wall…
fallen rivet
Any good raging bolt ev spreads
signal pine
Ohh sorry! It's for doubles
tired sage
Any good raging bolt ev spreads
max max…
idk still tryna work on that rn…
0spe 0atk raging bolt would be fun…
if it wasn’t illegal…
tired sage
idk i’m more of a tr girl so…
fallen rivet
Cool thanks you two
karmic temple
Ok actually your flutter set is weird. Swap poltergeist for shadow ball and move the 4atk evs into like hp or def instead. Poltergeist is a physical move and will have poo damage
Lando would probably prefer scarf since amoongus isn’t heavy in the meta atm (if doubles team)
Milotic is ok
Dipplin you’d want a more defensive spread if you’re going eviolite
tired sage
max hp max spa ig…?
molten oasis
idk i’m more of a tr girl so…
Then run, 20 speed ivs and quiet nature
tired sage
Ok actually your flutter set is weird. Swap poltergeist for shadow ball and move...
poltergeist flutter 
molten oasis
You can’t realistically run 0 cuz you only get one with 20 in game
fluid wind
😂
tired sage
Then run, 20 speed ivs and quiet nature
yeah that’s fair…
it’s not like i can get a 0spe one anyways 
molten oasis
Still need to get my hands on those 2
And I don’t have iron boulder anymore
(I think iron boulder kinda sucks lol)
It’s typing drastically holds it back
signal pine
Ohhh I didn't saw it was phys XDD
tired sage
honestly…
boulder would be nice if it didn’t have that typing…
it’s in the same boat as hydrapple
karmic temple
Ohhh I didn't saw it was phys XDD
For flutter you’ll want to change the Tera to fairy since it’ll get one shot by just about anything physical so might as well give it the extra damage boost on dgleam or moon blast
molten oasis
Yea, at least Hydrapples typing isn’t outright garbage
And a Tera, fixes it
Unlike iron boulder in which no Tera covers for all its weaknesses let alone most of them
tired sage
yeah
molten oasis
I’m determined to get Hydrapple to work, I’m just fidgeting with other things rn
I REALLY like Suicune
Insanely bulky support Mon
Snarl+scald+tw is really good utility too
karmic temple
For flutter you’ll want to change the Tera to fairy since it’ll get one shot by ...
And iron hands would be good with assault vest 156 hp/100 atk/252 spdef to give it more bulk and staying power
molten oasis
Hehe the tofu spread
karmic temple
The best spread tbh
tired sage
suisui will be really good…
and inner focus for no flinch…
or is it entei…
i don’t remember their abilities
karmic temple
All the johto dogs get pressure and inner focus
molten oasis
suisui will be really good…
and inner focus for no flinch…
*or is it entei…*
i d...
They all have inner focus
tired sage
ah ok
molten oasis
I like that
tired sage
inner focus tw support works really well
molten oasis
Yea then give it goggles and Tera dark
tired sage
i should work on a few fast tw teams…
molten oasis
Nothing shuts down tw lmao
tired sage
Nothing shuts down tw lmao
only ohko’s which is unlikely cause suisui is really bulky…
crude pollen
https://pokepast.es/c361f2213a63012b
How's it look?
crude pollen
Wanted fast physical fairy
tired sage
https://pokepast.es/c361f2213a63012b
How's it look?
i see an illegal bolt
molten oasis
Wanted fast physical fairy
karmic temple
Flutter mane: exists
karmic temple
Zacian 🤭🤭
tired sage
that bolt would be unusable…
it’s an illegal bolt-
0atk bolt cannot be obtained
tired sage
https://tenor.com/view/umm-ok-um-okay-hmm-wait-gif-15827095
run grim then
molten oasis
Grimm is slow
signal pine
@karmic temple thank you for the feedback✨️
gentle cragBOT
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molten oasis
I added gholdengo to my Suicune team, I have not used it once lol
And ik if I add flutter I’m gonna actively not want to bring it at all
Raging bolt is, something else lol
He hits so hard
ember linden
Grim is either for screens, worse Incineroar, or bootleg incin in a low power format
molten oasis
Real
ember linden
I have my team in game now, time to scroll limitless
molten oasis
I wanted to maybe do gouging fire instead of incin but I want bolt on this team so I didn’t end up doing that
dapper crag
Grim is either for screens, worse Incineroar, or bootleg incin in a low power fo...
Worse Incin when you're doing something way better outside Incin's coverage is not being worse. Grimm is superb in it's own merit
Prankster TWave, Screens, Parting Shot portfolio puts Incin in a very different caterogy since it can't do that
wild cairn
best ev spread for support alolan ninetales (auora veil set up)?
molten oasis
You kinda get a similar effect to screens by just, clicking parting shot
molten oasis
best ev spread for support alolan ninetales (auora veil set up)?
Ruby (Ninetales-Alola) @ Light Clay
Ability: Snow Warning
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 HP / 76 Def / 236 SpA / 4 SpD / 188 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Blizzard
- Moonblast
- Aurora Veil
- Protect
dapper crag
Which Grimm can get off through Prankster
Grimm enables very different teams the way I see what it does
molten oasis
Fair
mighty stump
@hasty night hello, we’re not allowing Reg F rentals yet at the moment so please post it when the Regulation begins, and if you could add the signifiers at the beginning when you do that would be great
keen karma
I like that we have a preseason
The dlcs were perfect for vgc
Now if they could announce rulesets earlier that would make it even better
wild cairn
is water a good tera type for empoleon?
dapper crag
Water is a fine typing if you plan on using a lot of Hydro Pump / Scald
wild cairn
Water is a fine typing if you plan on using a lot of Hydro Pump / Scald
my empoleon has water pledge/hydro pump. would that still be fine with the water tera boost?
dapper crag
my empoleon has water pledge/hydro pump. would that still be fine with the water...
ofc if you plan on using it offensively it's great
vestal spade
Is there any recommended builds for Incineroar?
dapper crag
Is there any recommended builds for Incineroar?
Standard moveset seems to be Fake Out Parting Shot Flare Blitz + 4th move being tech to your liking (Snarl, Helping Hand, Knock Off)
Sitrus Berry is a fine overall item on it making it bulkier
EV spread, go crazy, everybody has their own take on incin atm lol
nocturne holly
I have my team in game now, time to scroll limitless
You got it in already?
ember linden
Yeah but the tournament I’m doing tonight is showdown lol
nocturne holly
Ooh
ember linden
Is there any recommended builds for Incineroar?
Fukitsuna (Incineroar) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 236 HP / 4 Atk / 188 Def / 44 SpD / 36 Spe
Impish Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Knock Off
- Parting Shot
- Fake Out
It lives surging strikes from urshifu, and modest 116 specs flutter tera fairy moonblast 87.5% of the time.
36 for opposing incin speed creep
Throw the last 4 into attack👍
dapper crag
252+ Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 236 HP / 188+ Def Incineroar on a critical hit: 204-252 (102 - 126%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(68, 72, 72, 72, 72, 74, 74, 74, 78, 78, 78, 78, 80, 80, 80, 84)
vestal spade
Got it, thanks!!
dapper crag
252+ Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar on a critical hit: 198-240 (98 - 118.8%) -- approx. 93.8% chance to OHKO
(66, 68, 68, 68, 72, 72, 72, 72, 74, 74, 74, 74, 78, 78, 78, 80)
ember linden
252+ Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 236 HP /...
That’s without sitrus😄
Goober
ember linden
Got it, thanks!!
Yw.
dapper crag
it doesn't love mostly when I face it, I do commit Tera like a metronome too
Incin dying is satisfying opens up the board
thick geyser
I need help with this team
https://pokepast.es/c3737dcb7cf7bcf5
I especially need a 6th mon i tried chein pow and think i need something else im looking for a physical attacker but im open to special
dapper crag
I especially need a 6th mon i tried chein pow and think i need something else im...
can't go wrong with Flutter
thick geyser
What build tho
ember linden
it doesn't love mostly when I face it, I do commit Tera like a metronome too
Their incin is either offensive or specially bulky then 252+ Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 236 HP / 188+ Def Incineroar on a critical hit: 204-252 (102 - 126%) -- approx. 6.3% chance to OHKO
tired sage
can't go wrong with Flutter
fair but she’s become boring….
mighty stump
Honestly Stamina is nicer here if youre going AV
Its not like LO and you dont get value from DPulse
Just run Body Press Stamina so you can stay on the field after a Draco too
ember linden
Nice pfp Tofu
mighty stump
You also have Protect Choice Scarf
mighty stump
Nice pfp Tofu
Matching with friends for our Christmas call
ember linden
W
dapper crag
fair but she’s become boring….
Winning never is boring imo
And Flutter do be winning lol
real pewter
What do you think I could use moves for arch
thick geyser
Honestly Stamina is nicer here if youre going AV
The build i have is heavy investment into special attack and special def
mighty stump
Well you shouldnt be investing in SpDef though
HP should be the priority since the gap between HP and SpDef isnt high so it benefits both defensive stats
Answer remains the same Def or SpDef
It’s not like Iron Hands
dapper crag
Nah they are different
tired sage
And Flutter do be winning lol
yeah that’s fair…
and she’s a cutie so she gets a pass
mighty stump
Because you end up sacrificing physical matchups you can alter the thresholds for by not investing in HP first
I feel like Iron Hands has ruined AV based EV spreads
Hes the exception not the rule
tidal blade
whats the best item for cm raging bolt? I’ve been using lorb but i feel like there could be something better
mighty stump
whats the best item for cm raging bolt? I’ve been using lorb but i feel like the...
Goggles hands down
Espexially on a balance archetype
tidal blade
ember linden
Yeah Tofu filled me in yesterday it has been amazing
tidal blade
i dont see much amoongus tbh
mighty stump
I mean you can go lefties Tera Grass but I prefer not having to commit tera
dapper crag
You can play around without Goggles for sure
mighty stump
But I also am experimenting with Tera Electric to shed Dragon weakness and boost Thunderclap so thats why I want goggles
tidal blade
is it just me or can people read minds sometimes
dapper crag
they get a prediction right
tidal blade
my opponents magically never fake out my torn when i have cc on
mighty stump
Plus Amoonguss is going to be on the rise considering its good defensively into new toys
dapper crag
everyone gets them though
mighty stump
is it just me or can people read minds sometimes
Not really
tidal blade
but they always fake it out when i switch to herb
mighty stump
Its not predictions or reading minds
tidal blade
its like they know
mighty stump
Confirmation bias and most “predictions” are rarely hard reads
tidal blade
But I also am experimenting with Tera Electric to shed Dragon weakness and boost...
ive been running fairy
keen karma
Confirmation bias and most “predictions” are rarely hard reads
We’re using psychology terms now?
mighty stump
These are just regular terms?
dapper crag
Which I wouldn't delve too hard into since it's opinion based at this point lol
Opposing confirmation bias and prediction is... funny
mighty stump
Anyways most of the “predictions” and stuff people are doingrg are actually only covered plays or neutral safe plays
Its not truly a hard read
dapper crag
Like if you win a whole lot and you're good at prediction, it is totally possible imo
mighty stump
true hard reads are reserved for getting out of a tough spot and completely unnecessary to winning a game
Yeah but its not prediction
You shouldnt be relying on prediction
Ask literally any top player
tidal blade
ive been thinking of going screens support with raging bolt
dapper crag
Nah I'll pass, seen too much prediction oriented stuff in gaming
tidal blade
and just setup with cm
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
mighty stump
Okay, suit yoursely, i’m just stating the generally agreed opinion
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
mighty stump
ive been thinking of going screens support with raging bolt
Then you want goggles even more
If you want to anchor down you dont want to be forced to switch out in front of Amoonguss lol
thick geyser
I need help with this team
https://pokepast.es/c3737dcb7cf7bcf5
@mighty stump wat mon would put as a 6th
tidal blade
because at the start of every regulation its always weather wars
mighty stump
Grimm is probably better at the moment personally
Since you get pivot power as an option
dapper crag
Been fine winning reg F games without weather
mighty stump
I need help with this team
https://pokepast.es/c3737dcb7cf7bcf5
If you want a physical attacker then you can always run Basculegion
mighty stump
For my team
You’re not the only one here.
thick geyser
I didn't know
mighty stump
because at the start of every regulation its always weather wars
Its mostly just sun at the moment considering Wake is a buff to it.
karmic temple
Tofu out of all the new dragons they introduced which is your favorite
mighty stump
Archaludon > Bolt > Wake > Flame if competitively
Aesthetically just swap Flame and Wake
keen karma
Archaludon > Bolt > Wake > Flame if competitively
Opin on serperior
tidal blade
fire had so much potential but i feel like its really mid
burning bulwark isnt crazy helpful because the most prominent physical attackers are either fire type or just go through protect
or most moves just dont make contact
and i feel like its in this middle zone of having mid bulk, power, and speed
grizzled thistle
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fallen garden
or most moves just dont make contact
Iron hands though
amber remnant
Why do people think playing minimize muk makes you a terrible person? It’s a legit gimmick in the game that is as usable as dozo tatsu. Why the hate?
fallen garden
Iron hands though
And dragonite, roaring moon, rillaboom, kingambit...
fallen garden
Why do people think playing minimize muk makes you a terrible person? It’s a leg...
Missing always feels bad and it feels worse when the opponent is causing it to happen
amber remnant
Is it legal to take to a legit tournament?
fallen garden
It increases RNG a lot too, making it inconsistent
Official tournaments are doubles, so minimize muk doesn't really have a chance to snowball out of control
amber remnant
Minimize moody muk
tidal blade
Why do people think playing minimize muk makes you a terrible person? It’s a leg...
because its completely reliant on rng
theres no definitive counter except moves that dont check accuracy but those arent common
so you can either just keep missing or get a lucky KO
amber remnant
That makes me feel like best out of three is very possible though
next stump
nothing in the rulebook says you can’t take it to an event
every opponent will hate you though hahaha
same as if you play perish trap
azure citrus
I’ve been wanting to try a hydrapple team involving a skill swap into contrary
chrome knot
he saw a twitter clip
fallen rivet
Is it legal to take to a legit tournament?
Sure, but taunt shuts it down
amber remnant
every opponent will hate you though hahaha
But again this is why?
dapper crag
How can I get good at competitive
fallen rivet
Practice
amber remnant
Sure, but taunt shuts it down
You can’t prankster taunt muk
fallen rivet
Amended, as I forgor about a-muk
tidal blade
But again this is why?
because missing anything is frustrating
people view it as “no skill” because theres missing a move is complete rng
fallen rivet
because missing anything is frustrating
I swear Draco meteor has an accuracy of like 2 on showdown lul
tidal blade
me with overheat
grizzled thistle
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lime fractal
anyone got any good iron crown sets? Not looking for anything super specific (like I ain't putting specifically 16 defense evs to live a hit from a specific great tusk set, I ain't that sweaty)
also in the context of singles, as VGC is the obvious "booster speed expanding force" loadout
fallen rivet
Shiro is probably gonna know the most for singles but idk if he’s online rn
lime fractal
more so asking because with it's hydreigon speed, good bulk, and good sp.attack it leaves it with no obvious answer (whereas bolt is max HP and sp.attack, Flame is speed and attack, same with boulder)
mighty stump
How can I get good at competitive
- Using established rental teams to understand what goes into a properly built team
- Accepting things with an open mind such as not being able to use favourites and that things are meta for a reason
- A willingness to put in the work with a good attitude
- Understanding that competitive pokemon is more than just playing the game but understanding, analysis and review.
chrome knot
i wanna use lurantis what should i do
mighty stump
Uninstall
chrome knot
D:
bold geode
i wanna use lurantis what should i do
Go home
molten oasis
Subtle
cyan heron
cyan smelt
ember linden
Just got #6 in a 21 player tournament, I could have gotten #1 but I lost twice to the host running 2-2-2🤦♂️
Sadge
cyan smelt
does iron fist bullet punch from hitmonchan ko flutter?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
ember linden
does iron fist bullet punch from hitmonchan ko flutter?
Definitely not 252+ Atk Iron Fist Hitmonchan Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane: 84-100 (64.6 - 76.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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252+ Atk Punching Glove Iron Fist Hitmonchan Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane: 92-110 (70.7 - 84.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
The hitmons suck
cyan smelt
unfortunately yeah
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
dapper crag
252+ Atk Punching Glove Iron Fist Hitmonchan Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutt...
What about with Tera Steel?
ember linden
What about with Tera Steel?
Max max flutter does not but any reasonable amount of bulk it lives
Still not a reason to run hitmons
dapper crag
Still not a reason to run hitmons
That’s fair I guess. The only reason to run Hitmontop is for intimidate, but even then there are better intimidate users.
dapper crag
Incineroar is still the king of the intimidate scene.
strange fjord
fr
echo canyon
Does anyone have a good idea for Metagross, I haven’t used one since Ultra Moon and I doubt my set would still work 😂
abstract gyro
what gives more speed. tailwind or a speed +2
mighty stump
what gives more speed. tailwind or a speed +2
They give the same amount
mighty stump
Does anyone have a good idea for Metagross, I haven’t used one since Ultra Moon ...
Life Orb is one ive seen, if not AV
silk stream
Does earthquake count as a contact move? For example, if I hit spikey shield with it. Would I take dmg
mighty stump
No.
west kindle
whats up
silk stream
https://pokepast.es/f3a973175d66aba7
Could I possibly get an opinion on this team. Assuming that paradox is allowed in reg f. Just lemme know if u see any glaring issues or weakness that I've missed
mighty stump
idk why you would choose Heat Crash over Flare Blitz
And you can;'t really get away without bulk on non-sash Whims
whole ibex
Ok so I been hearing and seeing a lot of mixed opinions on Hydrapple. What do y’all think of this Mon? Some say he’s B tier and some say C tier.
mighty stump
Content tier
whole ibex
Why’s that?
mighty stump
It's pretty self explanatory
Outside of a decent statline and in TR do you really want your grass slot taken up by something that may or may not pick up KOs
So it's useable
and has a gimmick
But theres far better options
silk stream
idk why you would choose Heat Crash over Flare Blitz
Kinda wanted to keep it alive. So losing a chunk to flare blitz didn't seem worth. And what bulk would u run on whim then? Or do u think its better to play tera ghost with sash?
mighty stump
Kinda wanted to keep it alive. So losing a chunk to flare blitz didn't seem wort...
Id rather actually pick up a KO
Also id pick Dragon Dance over Howl if you're going Clear Amulet
silk stream
Not howl, for both ogerpon and land?
mighty stump
Meh
silk stream
But fair enough on the blitz. I'll give it a go on showdown. It worked well enough for arcanine h
mighty stump
Lando is going ot be consistently outsped by a bunch of things in equalised tailwinds so imnot a fan of anything other than Scarf
and Ogerpon doesn't need it and can run Swords Dance if it wants to
Plus if youre not faster than Lando whats the point of Howling
Either Lando dies and doesnt get a move off
silk stream
That's. Very valid 
silk stream
So you'd say to scarf land. Use a u turn set. Then focus on solely setting up fire. To get fast ohko with dance and blitz
Then switch whim up, to a sash build
mighty stump
If you want to go max max
whole ibex
But theres far better options
Fair
dapper crag
I wonder how good Gouging Fire is. Wanted to test it and Iron Boulder.
cyan smelt
not that great apparently, since you can get taunted through the signature protect move
knotty mirage
It does work like baneful bunker which is yeah
silk stream
not that great apparently, since you can get taunted through the signature prote...
Does that matter tho, since I assume it dosnt cancel the protect. Just can't use it for 3 turns after
silk stream
The one issue I have with it
Is that stun spore and status moves like that go thru it.
But. Tera grass stops that.
dull ibex
hello
oblique sigil
I'm pretty new to competitive and I wanna know which is better between U-turn or parting shot for incineroar
next stump
parting shot, unless you’re running assault vest
brisk hatch
Is there a page I can find ppl wanting to do bbq
empty haven
silk stream
Is there a page I can find ppl wanting to do bbq
Union circle.
tired sage
uh... i run ghost tera on incin prop not the wisest choice
but my incin is a slow one and so itll be faked out before other incin...
next stump
farigarif might be one of the most versatile pokemon in terms of what you can design it to do on a team
i feel like there are at least 5 or 6 builds that you can run without trolling
tired sage
giraffe is nice…
you get prio deny and also can counter/set up TR
cyan smelt
i prefer bruxish
chrome knot
id hope not
tired sage
id hope not
it’s teeth are scary…
cyan smelt
Those pearly whites, bruxish definitely goes to the dentist
polar canyon
How does sun gouging fire look?
summer shore
Mongkey
karmic temple
Also how was San Antonio
My friend who was supposed to house sit called me 2 hours into my drive saying they had Covid and couldn’t watch Entei for me so I didn’t end up going 🥲
Had to turn right back around
bold geode
My friend who was supposed to house sit called me 2 hours into my drive saying t...
You named your dog Entei?!
karmic temple
Yes of course my handsome man
bold geode
karmic temple
bold geode
Damn he a handsome man
karmic temple
So majestic and regal and a complete shithead
bold geode
Me AF
summer shore
🤨
karmic temple
He’s judging u
autumn vault
spoiler alert it could be better the team:https://pokepast.es/97912f5d1d412c84
is there anything i could improve?
next stump
ape does not really fit into hyper offense that well
you’re not getting OHKOs with it onto anything
autumn vault
i use it for bulk up tailwind shenanigans, lando-T and tornadus do suprisingly well together
and annihilape to take a lot of hits for rage fist deletion
i can replace it, not for urshifu because i am not a meta slave
next stump
but your team is already meta as fuck lol
all of your pokemon are like top 10 or 15 in usage
autumn vault
except ape, its 4% usage iirc
next stump
sure, one piece
I feel like swords dance kingambit fits better than ape on a tailwind team
especially with ogerpon redirection
autumn vault
ok, i can go a max hp/attack gambit or is the spread a little bit different?
i will look at your pinned comment
seriously your pinned comment is so helpful
i might need to lower my team filled with meta pokemon
karmic temple
Max/max is typical for gambit
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
near crag
Working on a hyper offensive team. Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/6c433820e9d8f6a9
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Max/max is typical for gambit
I go this for gambit, 36 to outspeed other gambit, hit 196 adamant 3rd atttack bump, 252 into hp, spread the rest into bulk Kingambit @ Black Glasses
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Atk / 4 Def / 20 SpD / 36 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Kowtow Cleave
- Sucker Punch
- Swords Dance
- Protect
ember linden
Working on a hyper offensive team. Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/6c433820e9d8f6a...
AV on Chienpao isn’t good, go sash, and go protect over crunch. Aerial ace is better over iron head on dragonite. Go water tera on urshi, rillaboom for sinishtcha, torn for eleki.
near crag
Rillaboom doesn’t fit really well, cause both chien and drago have ice spinner, and sinistcha is particularly good for anti trick room, but dropping eleki might be good
Thanks btw
tired sage
Working on a hyper offensive team. Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/6c433820e9d8f6a...
special eleki…
chrome knot
@tired sage wanna see funny new toy syndrome cx
summer shore
@mighty stump i hope they cook up a banger bw remake because elesa was serving
chrome knot
I had a funny 1 turn game 
summer shore
Gimme what i need 🗣️🗣️
tired sage
<@908444933210406942> wanna see funny new toy syndrome cx
:0
lemme see
chrome knot
im in tears bc my brain had to stop and think for a sec of what on earth he was trying to do
cyan smelt
what could galvantula even do to lando
chrome knot
IDK
tired sage
im in tears bc my brain had to stop and think for a sec of what on earth he was ...
i’m struggling to process what’s going on
chrome knot
why on earth was lando good vs all 6 of this mons 😭
tired sage
i should stop trying to make latias tailroom work…
chrome knot
comfey is so cute
keen karma
i also have this which is uh… something…
Not really sure about eleki or whimd
tired sage
Not really sure about eleki or whimd
oh eleki is just there xD
i wanna make a physical eleki set so that’s what it’s running
chrome knot
explosion !
tired sage
explosion !
yeah pretty much…
cyan smelt
does tera blast ice even do much to lando
tired sage
with eleki-?
yeah… that 4x weakness isn’t going anywhere
ember linden
Rillaboom doesn’t fit really well, cause both chien and drago have ice spinner, ...
On a hyper offense team? Yes it does, Icicle Crash should be subbed for ice spinner on pao. If you still don’t want Rilla you can have fari for sinistcha.
Rilla w/ miracle seed + grass tera with pao has great synergy, Farigiraf is better bc it has imprison trick room, psychic noise to make the amoonguss matchup better, and the ability to stop opposing priority from other HO teams.
Or you could go no torn for eleki and have both rilla and fari
If you don’t think you need tailwind that much
ember linden
does tera blast ice even do much to lando
On a quad weakness?
Lando drops to most ice moves lmao
It absolutely blows up lando.
ember linden
On a hyper offense team? Yes it does, Icicle Crash should be subbed for ice spin...
Another reason why sinistcha is not good here is bc you don’t really want to use turns swapping in sinistcha to heal when you could instead be doing HO’s main thing, blowing things up.
tired sage
regardless of the form i think…
that 4x ice weakness would prop shred
ember linden
It only doesn’t drop to the really low power ice moves like ice-shard
tired sage
if it tera’s into poison then that’s a different story
ember linden
It only doesn’t drop to the really low power ice moves like ice-shard
I take that back I forget I calced to live ice shard on my set it does drop to it usually
I believe I ran 252 60 to live it from bax though💀
tired sage
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Or you could go no torn for eleki and have both rilla and fari
I recommend this honestly things just want to spam prio anyway
tired sage
lando I has high base atk…
why…
ember linden
TPC
tired sage
huh-?
ember linden
The Pokemon Company = TPC or The Pokemon Company International = TPCI
tired sage
oh
tired sage
https://x.com/serebiinet/status/1737897641600500115?s=46&t=MNRLY0fyCI16nxLOhTMDH...
yeah…
tired sage
people gonna grind for the shiny genies…
chrome knot
ion wanna ill just trade apriballs for them
tired sage
i’ve got shiny of those… just in I form sitting in my go acc so prop gonna transfer them over…
vale epoch
Throat spray Alluring voice wigglytuff
autumn vault
How good will METAgross be in reg F? It gained new great moves so it has to be viable
ember linden
It not the best
I’m sure it’s alright
It likes assault vest and many others would like that more, it loses to incin, a really common pokemon
tidal blade
ive seen it a bit
its alright i guess
nothing too crazy but ig if you want to use it
autumn vault
I guess i will use my shiny one
Just have to somehow fit one in a team
Like an alolan ninetales counter
ember linden
I haven’t seen one of those lol it would be a flutter counter
polar canyon
How good will METAgross be in reg F? It gained new great moves so it has to be v...
Great moves?
Hard press is 100 bp but only once so idk how good that's gonna be
Psychic fangs is better than zen headbutt at least
Can't miss
fallen rivet
I know there was tech with burning jealousy on incin last season but is it worth using now or nah?
ember linden
I faced it in a tournament yesterday
fallen rivet
Oh dang
ember linden
Not sure what wants to set up on it tho lmao
fallen rivet
Exactly
ember linden
It doesn’t want to throw it into archaludon bc it gets stamina boost after
Ran into a lot of entei too
And suicune
I won every match but the ones that were 2-2-2 I’ll take 5-2 even if I lost to a braindead team
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
keen karma
That mon is so bad
its not that bad dude
sure you can call it mid but its not horrible
ember linden
So bad as in stupid and mid as well as a content grab pokemon
next stump
there will be one or two araquanid in some day 2’s for sure, I think on hard TR it’s a cool offensive option
ember linden
Yeah it’s especially bad without speed control
nocturne holly
it looks good with Porygon
keen karma
Yeah it’s especially bad without speed control
well i mean so are some other mons
some mons need support more than others
like bm
mighty stump
ok but like Araquanid can't even OHKO Incin at neutral
keen karma
NOOO???
keen karma
leave the hot takes to me
ember linden
leave the hot takes to me
Dw I plan on it
That mon was everywhere on my yt vgc feed for like a week💀💀
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
ember linden
I switched to Tera Fairy bolt
With fari it walls opposing ones that don’t have t-bolt
finite vine
I have been playing VGC for a LONG time that I forgot how to make a team in single battles.
ember linden
I’ve said it many times, and will continue to say it. That is a question for Shiro.
nocturne holly
With fari it walls opposing ones that don’t have t-bolt
That’s valid
ember linden
I’m also trying hh incin over flare blitz
mighty stump
If you're going for HH you remove your Dark STAB not the Fire one though
ember linden
I get it lol
I also want to test snarl, swipe, draco, body press archaludon set I faced on latter
bold geode
ember linden
It’s a decent concept on paper, snarl/swipe pressure them to hit you then spam press
I don’t need t-bolt for urshi really I have bolt and rilla
Keep the high power draco don’t really need cannon for flutter with rilla bolt as well lol
Or incin hh + glide if I need it
ember linden
<:UnawareQuagsire:669500456048918538>
Don’t quag me🗿
Flutter walls me ig but I want that draco
Partners I have for arch make me think its fine tho
polar canyon
It’s a decent concept on paper, snarl/swipe pressure them to hit you then spam p...
Doesn't be moon do that but outspeeding a lot of the targets
Not the same awesome type and bulk I guess
finite vine
What ya’ll think of this set?
Blaziken @ Lum Berry
Ability: Speed Boost
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Temper Flare
- Close Combat
- Brave Bird
- Swords Dance
Any improvements I should make?
whole ibex
But theres far better options
That’s fair. I think he’s decent but nothing too crazy.
atomic mural
whole ibex
I like using Hydrapple from the games I played him but I definitely see why it’s not considered all that good esp comparing it to other options.
I wish super sweet syrup didn’t activate once but I do like regenerator.
fallen rivet
Ok every time I’ve seen psyspam, I’ve brought rillaboom and it’s worked most of the time. Are there other methods of dealing with it?
whole ibex
Maybe Snarl spam?
molten oasis
Real
molten oasis
Ok every time I’ve seen psyspam, I’ve brought rillaboom and it’s worked most of ...
Snarl spam. Having kingambit or Incineroar to resist hits
fallen rivet
O I see. I’d probably put it on in in but I really like knock off so I’ll have to make compromises ig
ember linden
Doesn't be moon do that but outspeeding a lot of the targets
Archaludon does it better on my team w/ type synergy
fallen rivet
Archaludon and raging bolt have single handedly won me games I love them so much
ember linden
Mhm
polar canyon
Did cobalion have body press in gen 8?
Nope new thing
Sounds funny with iron defense
worn slate
https://pokepast.es/da4d8bd6ac4044da thoughts? I think I covered all the basses
Shoot I got two sashes woops
What’s a good non sash item on hisuian Samurott?
next stump
https://pokepast.es/da4d8bd6ac4044da thoughts? I think I covered all the basses
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Meowstic is an interesting pick, personally haven't seen it but prankster yawn is cool. I'm worried that without ghost tera, you are a sitting duck in front of fake out users
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Ribombee is not that great of a pokemon... I am assuming this is a doubles team and that set just doesn't really do anything when you compare it to stuff like Tornadus/Whimsicott.
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Arcanine set is fine, usually you see extreme speed over either psychic fangs or wild charge. Also you normally want a defensive tera or tera normal to boost extreme speed, tera rock seems a little unnecessary
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Archaludon moveset isn't bad, normally you see draco meteor instead of dragon pulse though. I also think your EV spread could be better, 252SpD should probably mostly be switched into HP with some of it staying in SpD. You can also likely drop some SpA if you're worried about losing bulk.
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I have never ever used or seen Serperior, so I won't comment on it. I don't see how it can be a good pokemon though
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Samurott is not great, and I don't really see what pokemon this set is meant to be an answer to. It can't touch Urshifu, you get OHKO'd by Flutter likely, etc. If you can make it work, more power to you, but I just can't see it succeeding even with screens support and a set up move
ember linden
https://pokepast.es/da4d8bd6ac4044da thoughts? I think I covered all the basses
For that Archaludon spread go Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 236 HP / 4 Def / 196 SpA / 28 SpD / 44 Spe
Modest Nature
It lives tera fairy 252 modest choice specs moonblast from flutter, and urshifu close combat with that +1 stamina boost
44 speed to outspeed most other Archaludons
If you don’t want that 44 speed you can always distribute that to sp.atk
smoky hawk
44 speed to outspeed most other Archaludons
Damn we're going hard on speed creeping
ember linden
That’s me for you.
smoky hawk
Important of note, rillaboom is the same base speed
ember linden
I do it on Archaludon, Incin, Rilla, Raging Bolt, Fari, and Prima aka my whole team
bold geode
- Meowstic is an interesting pick, personally haven't seen it but prankster yawn...
Hey so what does Raging Bolt run nowadays
Rn I got Booster with Tera Steel Blast/TClap/Meteor/Protect but idk EVs or whatever
ember linden
I recommend this as a starter set Long Fellow (Raging Bolt) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 220 HP / 4 Def / 180 SpA / 4 SpD / 100 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk
- Dragon Pulse
- Thunderclap
- Calm Mind
- Protect
Of course you don’t have to speed creep other raging bolts that’s just what I prefer
Most common thing is probably tera electric/fairy, sp.atk booster/life orb, T-bolt, T-Clap, Draco, protect
Btw the Atk IV is 20 because Pokemon locked bolt into that IV
bold geode
https://pokepast.es/773c6abdcd607d8c
@next stump what you think of this
Gonna use it to scout out interactions/meta to determine the true best way to use the Annihilape
ember linden
https://pokepast.es/773c6abdcd607d8c
<@197813560997314562> what you think of thi...
I love how we have the same 5 just different steal type lol
polar canyon
So many starters it might look like a pledge gimmick team
It's a good team it's just funny to point that out
ember linden
Nobody should see that as a pledge team
polar canyon
In low ladder maybe
ember linden
I hope
ember linden
If you see something like skeledirge meganium prima definitely a pledge team
Thatsa made a pledge team on those three w/ ttar excadrill
polar canyon
Inteleon sounds more usable with meganium if you want to set it fast
ember linden
His thing was specs prima for huge damage pledge
ember linden
He also had light clay meganium for screens and pledge
polar canyon
Sure wish meganium was a good pokemon
next stump
https://pokepast.es/773c6abdcd607d8c
<@197813560997314562> what you think of thi...
good team, I had 4 of the same 6 and it felt good. Fake out + Farig gets up TR in basically everything matchup outside of really weird ones. I think Primarina has a lot of potential, when I was using it though I found Dazzling > Ice Beam but that could have just been me. I think the biggest weakness of teams like this is getting your first set of TR turns stalled out
because if you do lead something like Incin + Farig, turn 2 you have almost no offensive pressure
that's why you saw stuff like life orb farigarif popping up lately, or throat spray
bold geode
that's why you saw stuff like life orb farigarif popping up lately, or throat sp...
Hold up
Life Orb Farigiraf?
ember linden
I’m using hyper voice, dazzling, ice beam protect w/ throat spray. Should I still not go d-gleam?
next stump
https://pokepast.es/67908d98244a74d4
latest regional winning team
different team obviously but I think his logic behind it makes sense
ember linden
Found it cool magmar won a reg-f tour
next stump
you feel kinda useless sitting there clicking dazzling gleam for 15% damage onto opposing incineroar, or 25-30% onto rillaboom with a psychic move
karmic temple
Found it cool magmar won a reg-f tour
Follow me flame body is fat
ember linden
I’m using hyper voice, dazzling, ice beam protect w/ throat spray. Should I stil...
I like ice beam because +1 ice beam kills amoongus
ember linden
Follow me flame body is fat
Fs
next stump
I think ice boom is okay if your fairy move is dazzling
spread moves just feel so much better for TR sweeping
ember linden
Yeah it is
It probably doesn’t kill sp.def amoon but it chunks the specially bulky ones still
surreal echo
https://pokepast.es/e5344325694ab641 Hey guys, been trying out Archaludon rain and it's been going pretty well. Just looking for some feedback. Yes, I know many people think Tornadus is preferable over Pelipper, but having auto-weather and Wide Guard is really useful. Plus it hits stupid hard with Weather Ball.
ember linden
https://pokepast.es/e5344325694ab641 Hey guys, been trying out Archaludon rain a...
I’d go ghost tera peli, and grass tera arch w/ draco instead of pulse, idk about snarl over body press
fallen rivet
sandsear storm is very nice over sub imo
surreal echo
I’d go ghost tera peli, and grass tera arch w/ draco instead of pulse, idk about...
why grass over flying might i ask?
surreal echo
sandsear storm is very nice over sub imo
oh i thought it got the boost in sun not rain
fallen rivet
Me too 💀
ember linden
why grass over flying might i ask?
You’d rather get hit with a not very effective move to proc stamina over being immune
surreal echo
You’d rather get hit with a not very effective move to proc stamina over being i...
true
ember linden
Would allow you to hit hard with press
Meaning you can draco and still have a high damage move unless they resist or are ghost type. If you’re set up enough body press still chunks resists tho.
What does that incin sp.def live?
surreal echo
got it
surreal echo
What does that incin sp.def live?
i forgot, will have to check
ember linden
I assume its some sort of flutter moonblast
surreal echo
oh yeah it might be actually
smoky hawk
Found it cool magmar won a reg-f tour
That's quite scary to deal with
ember linden
Mhm
smoky hawk
Also I want to use burning bulwark on gouging fire
polar canyon
That's quite scary to deal with
The pokemon or the thought?
ember linden
I have prima so I have a matchup
tired sage
I have prima so I have a matchup
:0
pretty prim ftw!!!
ember linden
Precisely.
fallen rivet
Debating on swapping urshi for prim
ember linden
Show me the team, I could tell you if it is worth swapping
fallen rivet
https://pokepast.es/1486b7c8aae92863
May change the Archaludon stats too
smoky hawk
The pokemon or the thought?
To face it with a physical attacker
ember linden
https://pokepast.es/1486b7c8aae92863
May change the Archaludon stats too
Definitely switch to prim
fallen rivet
I see. May I ask why out of curiosity?
ember linden
Change the arch spread to this Alloy (Archaludon) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 236 HP / 4 Def / 196 SpA / 28 SpD / 44 Spe
Modest Nature
smoky hawk
Good news, I am going to Portland and the more I look into it, the more I like the scarlet paradoxes and dislike the future paradoxes, so I shouldn't have to play thru violet DLC before the regional
ember linden
I see. May I ask why out of curiosity?
Of course, the type synergy is awesome, swap prim into a dragon move, swap in prima for a fighting move on arch or incin
fallen rivet
Of course, the type synergy is awesome, swap prim into a dragon move, swap in pr...
I see that makes sense. Thanks for the advice!
gentle cragBOT
I see that makes sense. Thanks for the advice!
wafflefries.787b has given 1 Gen Rep to vikxk
ember linden
I see that makes sense. Thanks for the advice!
After that swap you have the same five I do just torn over fari
Yw
I can give you a spread for that too
ember linden
I have a bolt spread too
Mabayui (Primarina) @ Throat Spray
Ability: Liquid Voice
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 236 HP / 100 Def / 108 SpA / 12 SpD / 52 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dazzling Gleam
- Hyper Voice
- Ice Beam
- Protect
Lives -1 252 adamant miracle seed grassy glide from rilla, and lives flutter 252 modest specs moonblast tera fairy
fallen rivet
Ty
ember linden
Ty
Long Fellow (Raging Bolt) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 220 HP / 4 Def / 180 SpA / 4 SpD / 100 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dragon Pulse
- Thunderclap
- Calm Mind
- Protect
Yw :}
With Prima over ursh also recommend just going Fari for torn since nothing else really cares too much for tw
Also gives you a way to stop prio for the mirror
fallen rivet
Right
tired sage
aaaaaaaa
0atk bolt
fallen rivet
Wut
ember linden
aaaaaaaa
0atk bolt <:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
Showdown keeps auto 0ing my iv
fallen rivet
Oh lol
ember linden
Bolt is locked at a 20 attack IV
tired sage
xD
0atk is illegal
ember linden
You only have to worry about that at an irl tournament
tired sage
well technically it’s illegal cause it’s unreleased….
ember linden
What??
tired sage
like the 0atk bolt is unreleased…
bolt is released and uh…
it’s all set at 20
but on the unlikely event that it messes you up somehow cause you’re not used to 0atk
smoky hawk
No showdown quite literally autos atk IV to 0 I have no control over it
You can change the IV manually
ember linden
You can change the IV manually
Ik, but I did change it and it went back to 0 lol
smoky hawk
I wonder what's wrong with the 3 perfect IVs trend?
That used to be how they did legendaries
ember linden
Might have been a small fuck up 🤷🏼♂️
next stump
the copy pasta memes off this tweet are so funny
ember linden
Lol
next stump
ember linden
💀
tough idol
I wonder what's wrong with the 3 perfect IVs trend?
Don't the 4 new ones have 590 bst. Wouldn't that make them pseudo
tough idol
Yh I thought all Legends were 600+
ember linden
Typically
Archaludon has a 600 bst and it isn’t a Pseudo bc of the typical 3 stage evo requirement some ppl have.
tough idol
Ah so they just switching it up a bit then lol 😆
ember linden
If I’m not mistaken the Pokémon Company didn’t come up with Pseudo, we the fans did, and we said typical this this and this is to be considered one
tough idol
Need to do a Scarlet playthrough Saturday to get last 2 missing mons before I make a decision for January
Plus a confirmed list of what I can use lol 😆
next stump
I anticipate a lot of DQ's for genned raging bolt if its deemed legal
untold urchin
Am I able to ask about singles competitive here too 
next stump
lol
ember linden
I anticipate a lot of DQ's for genned raging bolt if its deemed legal
Yeah me too
next stump
Am I able to ask about singles competitive here too <:poliwhirlkek:9321495353110...
yes, but there's less people that play that format so it mikght take longer
ember linden
Maybe they should just do a fucking distribution then if they’re gonna ban genned bolt
tough idol
I anticipate a lot of DQ's for genned raging bolt if its deemed legal
I'll catch my own and transfer to my Violet save
next stump
so ungodly dumb that there are version exclusives gated behind like $100 and 20-30 hours of your time
ember linden
Fr
next stump
but alas, I guess they're okay with their comp scene never reaching its potential
ember linden
A man can dream🤦♂️
tough idol
If I win 1 match, its a weekend well spent to me lmao
ember linden
vikx what version do you have
Scarlet, I have the one I want to use💀
untold urchin
yes, but there's less people that play that format so it mikght take longer
I see
I guess I’ll just ask what poison (or dual types with poison as one) mons are good in vgc and work from there (if any at all)
Or if I can somehow make poison mons work
nocturne holly
Scarlet, I have the one I want to use💀
lmao I have violet
the new scarlet paradoxes are way better tho
ember linden
All 4 have good potential
tough idol
lmao I have violet
If I can speed run base game, I might be able to get 2 sets of Scarlet this weekend lol 😆
nocturne holly
All 4 have good potential
Some are better than others…
ember linden
Sure
nocturne holly
If I can speed run base game, I might be able to get 2 sets of Scarlet this week...
W
smoky hawk
so ungodly dumb that there are version exclusives gated behind like $100 and 20-...
They had better announce a raid event for all new paradoxes by January
Or they will make many enemies out of their customers
ember linden
The walking wake and iron leaves are gonna be going on then
ember linden
Yeah they announced them again for the ppl who didn’t get them
smoky hawk
Oh 😒
I'll be at the Portland regional. I might put both past paradoxes in my team
Wish we knew the ban list already
ember linden
I wish I could go to any regional
tough idol
I'm doing my 1st one 27th Jan
ember linden
My Mother’s graduation was on the day of San Antonio and my dad said I could go if it wasn’t for that ://
tough idol
I can only do 2. Liverpool Regional and EUIC in April
keen karma
Or they will make many enemies out of their customers
they dont care
ppl are still gonna buy their games
ember linden
Highest grossing video game company they do not gaf
tough idol
Hmm I need more Violet group quests lol 😆
next stump
regionals are a very fun experience, they can be stressful as hell though
keen karma
regionals are a very fun experience, they can be stressful as hell though
have you seen any smeargles on high ladder
next stump
i saw one smeargle once and it got one shot in game 1 by a rillaboom grassy glide and never came out again in the set
keen karma
wow so it did kinda fall off
the sprites on limitless look so much better than the ones on showdown
karmic temple
I think most people knew it wouldn’t be great with the power creep
keen karma
i imagine it may be better in restricted
plush magnet
Hydrapple build?
dry latch
Minior build ? 🫠
ember linden
Minior build ? 🫠
Minior @ Focus Sash
Ability: Shields Down
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Rock Slide
- Acrobatics
- Shell Smash
- Protect
molten oasis
Hydrapple build?
Hi
Hydrapple @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 236 HP / 220 SpA / 52 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fickle Beam
- Giga Drain
- Earth Power
- Pollen Puff
So you can do something like this
Or I’m gonna start fidgeting with a idea with a set like this soon;
Hydrapple @ Life Orb
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fickle Beam
- Giga Drain
- Earth Power
- Protect
Leftovers with Yawn Protect Giga Drain and Fickle Beam/Draco Meteor is also something you could test
plush magnet
Ok, will do! Thanks
ember linden
Something like this for the yawn bot set:
Hydrapple @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 76 SpA / 176 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fickle Beam
- Giga Drain
- Yawn
- Protect
ember linden
Yw
errant heath
would anyone happen to know a good build for a Greninja without Battle Bond? I found myself a shiny Froakie & would like to use it tbh
ember linden
Is this build wanted for a serious vgc team or a fun one?
errant heath
hm.. I suppose fun? I have a pretty standard team anyone new to comp would have tbh lol
ember linden
A pretty standard team anyone new to comp would have is not very specific, that could be anything. I’m not saying specify what team you’re using, just wanted to point that out. Give me one second to get you a gren set.
errant heath
ikik, I can send you my current team if youd like? I kinda wanna replace one to take in Greninja
ember linden
That’s fine
Greninja @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protean
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
- Protect
Greninja @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Protean
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Water Shuriken
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
- Protect
molten oasis
Interesting
ember linden
Greninja @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Protean
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: ...
Or you could run this if you have some form of speed control(tailwind or icy wind)☝️
Y’all didn’t know about gren’s signature?😭😭
errant heath
did you make that Loaded Dice Gren build yourself? I hadnt seen anything like it on smogon
ember linden
No, It was just a thought that popped up in my head. I can’t take credit for things like that.
errant heath
I didnt mean you were trying to lol it just seems like a good one bc of its signature & item, I figured it was good to be on that smogon
ember linden
Ik, I thought you meant I’m the one who came up with it in general.
That’s also the reason why I said I can’t take credit for the set.
errant heath
Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Tera: Fairy
EVs 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: Decent Sp.Atk
Swords Dance
Close Combat
Psychic Terrain
Spirit Break
Reuniclus @ Life Orb
Tera: Psyhic
EVs 252 Sp.Atk / 126 Sp.Def / 126 Def
Modest Nature
IVs: Decent Atk
Expanding Force
Stored Power
Psychic
Recover
Metagross @ Black Belt
Tera: Fighting
EVs 252 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
IVs: Gold Cap Hyper Trained
Iron Defense
Meteor Mash
Body Press
Hammer Arm
Gyarados @ Lum Berry
Tera: Water
EVs 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
IVs No good Sp.Atk
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Outrage
Earthquake
Vikavolt @ Wise Glasses
Tera: Bug
EVs 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: Decent Atk
Sticky Web
Thunderbolt
Volt Switch
Bug Buzz
Umbreon @ Light Clay
Tera: Normal
EVs 170 Sp.Def / 170 Spe / 170 Def
Timid Nature
IVs: Pretty Good Atk. & Sp. Atk
Reflect
Light Screen
Calm Mind
Baton Pass
okay so this is still a work in progress, ik it still needs polishing, but I'm looking to be rid of Gyarados for Greninja
ember linden
Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Tera: Fairy
EVs 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IV...
Post the pokepaste
Never post a text wall.
Go to the bottom of your showdown team, and click pokepaste.
Copy the url and post it here
errant heath
ah, gotcha. Ive never used showdown so Ig Ill be back
smoky hawk
Posting 1 pokemon set is fine but more than that and using pokepaste is appreciated
errant heath
Post the pokepaste
alrighty there we go https://pokepast.es/e5c2be5d85ff528d
ember linden
Ty
molten oasis
Y’all didn’t know about gren’s signature?😭😭
I’ve never touched it lol
lavish kite
it's good on bb gren
dull ibex
Gren isn't good tbf
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
smoky hawk
What's the type match ups for stellar tera blast?
Hits everything for neutral and tera pokemon for super effective?
fallen rivet
I think so
molten trout
I'm making builds for all my pokemon rn what's the general consensus for a terapogos build its hard to tell given its so new
fallen rivet
Probably will be pretty good
molten trout
I mean o figured as much starstorm is busted and it had 2 good abilities but im more curious how I should build it
fallen rivet
It probably won’t be legal in ranked for a while but I think pokeaim had a video on it. I forgor tho
molten trout
Yeah I figured as much, for its legality but having a set for it feels better than leaving it untouched
smoky hawk
Terapagos is bulkier than cress lol
molten trout
AV over Calm mind set?
smoky hawk
Moveset probably starstorm, earth power, tbolt, ice beam
Calm mind would be very viable as well
Max hp max spatk
molten trout
The set I had in mind was
Calm Mind
D gleam
Starstorm
Sub or protect
Max HP
200 Sp Atk
56 def
Leftovers no nature yet
I did 200 instead of max because it's already a booster set
smoky hawk
Is this singles or doubles?
raw thistle
fun fact
it's possible to ohko a level 100 mon with a level 1 mon with normal damage-dealing moves
molten trout
Is this singles or doubles?
Doubles
raw thistle
it's possible to ohko a level 100 mon with a level 1 mon with normal damage-deal...
+6 Lvl 1 252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Psychic Tapu Lele Stored Power (620 BP) vs. -6 0 HP / 0- SpD Croagunk in Psychic Terrain on a critical hit: 840-992 (407.7 - 481.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
level 1 lele / level 100 croagunk
smoky hawk
Doubles
Then consider a follow me pokemon for CM set, like follow me eviolite magmar
Indeedee with HH and TR is another great choice
molten trout
I was gonna do Dee yeah
chrome knot
+6 Lvl 1 252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Psychic Tapu Lele Stored Power (620 BP) vs. ...
this shit aint ever happening even with the correct setup💀
raw thistle
this shit aint ever happening even with the correct setup💀
i know but it's funny lmao
molten trout
Like a Gimmick crogunk wouldn't be running Sash
chrome knot
so true bae
ionic shell
any good gengar comps?
craggy dagger
too bad the tapus didn’t make it into the dlc
atomic mural
molten oasis
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
molten oasis
hmm
So Primarina has good defensive synergy with Hydrapple
But not really on the offensive side of things
Maybe that’s why I was struggling
smoky hawk
too bad the tapus didn’t make it into the dlc
Maybe future tera raids
tired sage
:0
tapus being added back in the game would mean misty surge fini and incin combo…
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
molten oasis
Neat
brisk hatch
Can smeargle not learn tm moves??? Or remember anything other than sketch??
I thought this mon was supposed to be good
Someone said it could learn anything.. ?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
craggy dagger
I thought this mon was supposed to be good
it will learn any move with sketch
also fk smeargle is back-
speedy spore i guess…
brisk hatch
Does it keep the move from sketch ??
craggy dagger
yeah
brisk hatch
It sounds like it just copies it I. Battle
craggy dagger
so once you sketch a move, it’ll be in its moveset forever
basically, you sketch let’s say collision course…
and you exit battle, the sketch you had will now be collision course
brisk hatch
Yeah but where can u sketch those good moves like spore in-game???
craggy dagger
uh. battle a mon that uses spore
brisk hatch
I don't think I've seen a wi)d mon use spore
craggy dagger
basically read this
brisk hatch
Think about it.. have u
dry latch
Dodrio build?
brisk hatch
@dry latch I don't know much about that mon.. sorry
dry latch
<@545897425982849034> I don't know much about that mon.. sorry
Thanks anyway
gentle cragBOT
Thanks anyway
starz6364 has given 1 Gen Rep to pokeman1986
brisk hatch
Ur welcome.. apologies
I did play gen 1 in 4th grade.. I don't think I even used it then.. it might not be good in vgc
I haven't played against any
@dry latch does it have a good ability?
dry latch
Tangled feet
brisk hatch
What's that do
dry latch
Boost the Pokémon invasiveness, if it is confused