competitive_discussion

[nocturne holly]

I don’t think lum is the best option there tbh

I remember I ran lum berry dnite reg c

[dapper crag]

Raging Bolt [Electric/Dragon]

Resists (0.25x)

Electric

Resists (0.5x)

Fire, Flying, Grass, Steel, Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Fighting, Ghost, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Fairy, Ground, Ice

Type Notes

Electric-types cannot be paralyzed.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[nocturne holly]

steel Tera?

ground types kinda eat part of my team

[bold geode]

Hi Emmie

I went from 100k moneys to 2.1 mil moneys cuz of gambling

[pure ginkgo]

Can someone build a team for me based off Garchomp!?

[dull ibex]

vc?

[bold geode]

Work

[hollow fossil]

Does freeze last forever until you thaw out?

[kindred cypress]

Do we know which legendaries will be allowed next reg?

[dull ibex]

none of the box arts

[karmic temple]

They announce the legal Pokémon on 12/25

[next stump]

yeah unless you use some specific moves that can thaw you

[hollow fossil]

That is some fuckass shit

Straight up had my heatran frozen for 15 turns

[minor otter]

Most Annoying Meta Pokemon acquired

[smoky hawk]

Gives North Americans going to Portland precious little time to prepare a team since most of them celebrate Christmas/Hanukkah and whatnot

Thanks TPCI

I may have to play DLC thru the other version

[polar pike]

So my flutter mane is supposed to have evs of 252/0/116/124/4/12
I didn't make this build so I don't know the purposes of the evs, how much would it matter if a stat was off by a few points?

[tired sage]

that’s an interesting spread-

[polar pike]

Like bad interesting? Someone recommended I use pikalytics bc I'm just using this for the game itself like sweeping ace tournaments and such, which I guess answers my own question, I don't see exact evs being important there

[smoky hawk]

It could turn guaranteed survivals into tiny chances to not survive. Or turn guaranteed OHKOs into not quite guaranteed OHKOs. That's usually what happens if you slightly tweak carefully calculated EVs

[polar pike]

Yeah but I'm not using it competitively so I don't think it'll matter

[azure hornet]

Is this a balanced team? I tried making it Archaludon centered

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Tera Type: Steel

Whimsicott @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Grass

Pelipper @ Eject Button
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Grass

Dragonite @ Assault Vest
Ability: Inner Focus
Tera Type: Normal

Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Flying

Brian Hands (Iron Hands) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Fire

[next stump]

I don’t think offensive Whimsicott is very good

you’d be better off using something like Flutter Mane is you want strong fairy damage

[tired sage]

no like interesting interesting-

[azure hornet]

Im using it as a tail wind setter an as a "pivot" to avoid damage to dragonite

Whimsicott @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Moonblast
• U-turn
• Beat Up
• Tailwind

[smoky hawk]

I'm sure that's true

It was a competitive build

[tired sage]

actually…
my flutter spread is also weird…

EVs: 116 HP / 76 Def / 108 SpA / 4 SpD / 204 Spe

[polar pike]

I'll use smogon to find my build if I ever wanna play competitive

[nocturne holly]

how

pray tell

[tired sage]

sell everything you get at the ||item printer ||

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/97f8f7e1a7a0c8e3

[gentle notch]

I reconstructed my team from last & kept 3 but took out the others. I’m wondering who can take the last 3 spots for synergy & tank. I was thinking of adding Tornadus & UrshifuR https://pokepast.es/865fc81ae8debb0a

[balmy glen]

Ye Portland is going to be rough prep for me

[nocturne holly]

tf is that

[pearl wind]

dlc stuff

[hollow fossil]

Flutter mane more like flutter lame I sleep🛌

[fallen rivet]

https://pokepast.es/f6af8bb6d7786de9 hey guys, hope you’re all doing well. Is there any way to better optimize this team? I like the way it jives but I feel like it could use some fine tuning

[tired sage]

team looks good :0
i feel like maybe run fake out on rilla instead of protect…
but that’s just what i would do…

[nocturne holly]

Yea I have the dlc lol

[chrome knot]

gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble

[nocturne holly]

Scarfshifu still wants aqua jet imo
Archaludon spread is interesting, you only need max hp 28 sp def to live Tera fairy specs moonblast from flutter (I have an archaludon spread if you want)
Max max torn wants sash and Tera ghost imo
Rilla still wants FO and you could run Tera grass cuz of miracle seed, you want max damage output
Other than that looks fine

[tired sage]

yeah pretty much

[nocturne holly]

imagine beating the dlc

ima do what I did last dlc and beat this in a month

[tired sage]

imagine playing the dlc

[fallen rivet]

Ok sweet thanks
I forgor about aqua jet 💀
Torn is one I want to adjust since it’s about as defensive as tissue paper, any decent spreads for that?
I’d love to see the archaludon spread

[gentle crag]

wafflefries.787b has given 1 Gen Rep to .begulajr.

[pure ginkgo]

Sinichiste Chein-Poa Water urshifu Landorus Iron hands Mimkyu
is this a good team? and tell me if u have any other ideas

[nocturne holly]

unfort i dont have my torn spread near me rn
this is the archaludon spread
Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 220 SpA / 28 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Flash Cannon
• Draco Meteor
• Thunderbolt
• Body Press

[tired sage]

wait does archaludon work in tr…?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1018: Archaludon

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Stamina, Sturdy, Stalwart (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/105/130/125/65/85

Total

600

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[fallen rivet]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1703008394:R>.

[tired sage]

mmm….
85 speed is interesting

[next stump]

it can work on a team with TR as an option but not the immediate go-to

it can underspeed a decent chunk of the format

[gentle notch]

Is Tornadus still a good rain dance option if I have Whimiscot, Archaludon & Incineroar?

[fallen rivet]

That’s what I’m using and it’s aight

[pure ginkgo]

Sinichiste Chein-Poa Water urshifu Landorus Iron hands Clefiary evo!

[next stump]

you don’t want whims and torn on the same team

[pure ginkgo]

is this a good team?

[nocturne holly]

dillon what do you think about specs raging bolt? decent bulk and it has volt switch for pivot? if not specs what item would you recommend?

[tired sage]

mhm it’s what i was thinking…

[next stump]

I’ve seen hella AV on Raging Bolt

and a little life orb

[nocturne holly]

i have av on archaludon so av isnt an option on bolt

LO is interesting tho

[nocturne holly]

thats dragos primarina spread right

[fallen rivet]

Ya

It works pretty well

Dillon do you have any bulkier tornadus spreads by chance?

[tired sage]

there’s a lot of booster bolt as well

[nocturne holly]

is showdown down for anyone?

[tired sage]

oh yeah it is…?

[gentle notch]

Last slot option & item for Tornadus? https://pokepast.es/5227c3b30c2b5041

[chrome knot]

both whims & torn ..?

[pure ginkgo]

can someone see my team?

[keen karma]

Ive seen a leftys team where they keep spamming cm and redirect

Most annoying thing ever

[tired sage]

beat up whimsy…?

[keen karma]

If the paradox leg beasts are legal im immediately making a team out of gouging fire

[cyan smelt]

lessgooo i found a shiny minior

[keen karma]

Gg

[nocturne holly]

bo3 anyone?

[cyan smelt]

hell yes caught it in a beast ball

[pure ginkgo]

🥺

[tired sage]

i’m making a wake lilikoal team

idk…
wake is just too perfect for that team

[cyan smelt]

i want to do something with okidogi

[nocturne holly]

#1 okidogi stan right here
i gotchu

[pure ginkgo]

is this team good?
Sinichiste Chein-Poa Water urshifu Landorus Iron hands Clefiary evo!

[whole comet]

do we have any builds for Flygon yet? did the DLC add anything to make him unique from "worse Garchomp?"

my immediate note was tera electric + levitate

[tired sage]

flygon is… meh…
it’s a good pokemon design imo but its stats are…

[karmic temple]

Singles or doubles? If you post the poke paste it’ll be easier for us to judge it

[pure ginkgo]

single

[cyan smelt]

okidogi gets upper hand so it can fake out the fake out users

[karmic temple]

Most of us here do doubles and don’t have much experience With bss

[nocturne holly]

anyone??

[fallen garden]

are people ever going to click fake out when they know the other guy has upper hand

[cyan smelt]

that's the thing, it's an effective deterrent

ofc upper hand is still blocked by farigiraf

[keen karma]

Im almost hoe

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/52a64ddaa5f3e4b8 double dragon kinda cooking lowkey

they feel really good when theyre next to each other

[cyan smelt]

item printer is legit cracked

[gentle notch]

Beat up Whimsicott is to get the Stamina up on Archaludon

[nocturne holly]

i havent beaten the dlc yet
how does it work

[cyan smelt]

you put pokemon materials in the item printer and it gives you items back

[karmic temple]

It’s like the cram of matic from last gen

[cyan smelt]

but better

Just rolled this

[gentle notch]

So with the team I posted, are there any suggestions?

[nocturne holly]

what the fuck

what did you put in it

[cyan smelt]

just random items

[nocturne holly]

like?

[cyan smelt]

materials

[nocturne holly]

👁️

[cyan smelt]

apparently chansey is best for it

it also prints tera shards, evo items, treasure

battle items

[smoky hawk]

I like that idea but I suppose this would not be for a rain team. Sadly whimsy doesn't learn rain dance

Beat up can also be used on annihilape

[cyan smelt]

didn't it used to

[smoky hawk]

Nope lol

So I'm deciding whether to use whimsy and not use rain or use pelipper

Because I like archaludon

[next stump]

wait what the fuck LOL

i’ve just been playing bo3 ladder

and didn’t realize I’m rank 9

https://pokepast.es/f9c10126985f58b7 team for reference

[keen karma]

What elo did it take for you to make it

Also how was primarina?

[next stump]

1415

it’s good, awkward speed tying incineroar but i’m usually slower than them

[keen karma]

So is it like tr mon

[pearl wind]

congrats!

[next stump]

i’ve been using it mostly as that

[gentle notch]

What’s a good set for the Beat Up Ape? I’m in the middle because I like Whimsicott but I also wanna keep Tornadus to support Urshifu

[cyan smelt]

do you guys think sheer force feraligatr has potential?

[smoky hawk]

Tbh I have to think that idea thru a bit more

But its great against incin

But yeah that's the issue. Whimsy is great but it is not for rain teams

[bold geode]

So much treasure from it that I might have pulled the One Piece while gambling

[karmic temple]

Heavy slam is based on weight only not attack stat right?

[bold geode]

Yes
Why Hands Heavy Slam obliterates Mane

[tired sage]

yeah…

[ember linden]

Flutter weighs like nothing and hands weighs around 1k Ibs I believe

[fleet quarry]

Tera for pulky pivot incineroar?

[ember linden]

What??

Elaborate.

[fleet quarry]

I'm asking for tera suggestions for incin

[ember linden]

Oh🤦‍♂️ mb

[fleet quarry]

VGC obviously

dw

[ember linden]

Depends on the item

[fleet quarry]

Sitrus

[ember linden]

Definitely grass then

[fleet quarry]

✌ appreciate it

[ember linden]

You got it.

[tired sage]

tera ghost

to avoid fake outs and upper hands

[fleet quarry]

I forgot upper hand was a thing 🤧

[ember linden]

No need for tera ghost

Just read it and not waste a tera

If they want to upper hand you just parting shot or attack

Only very niche situations that barely happen you’d want to have tera ghost

[tired sage]

upper hand can uh… ohko incin without the right bulk

[ember linden]

After intimidate?

Yeah I don’t think so.

[tired sage]

i’ll leave now

[ember linden]

Lol ok

[tired sage]

after intim yeah-
although it does depend on the user

[ember linden]

I doubt that

Also you have to keep in mind most if not all incin are running a fuckton of physical bulk.

[tired sage]

right…

[ember linden]

That on top of intimidate there is no way

[fleet quarry]

I think I can live it, this is the spread I'm using

[ember linden]

Was that +1 or +x atk on Okidogi?

[tired sage]

like i said, it depends on the user

[tired sage]

would be +1 cause of guard dog no?

[chrome knot]

yes

[tired sage]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chrome knot]

bc you just sent out intimate infront of a defiant mon lmao

[orchid falcon]

Question :
What is Smeargle used for in comp? and is it even decent?

[ember linden]

My argument is most of the time.

Still doesn’t justify tera ghost whatsoever

No Okidogi plus one was brought up.

[chrome knot]

what.

[ember linden]

Also that KO is a roll

With the bulk your incin should probably be running

[ember linden]

Smeargle is usually used to fill a niche on a team no other mons can fill, it does so through its movepool

[fleet quarry]

Well I have enough shards for both so I'll be testing out Grass first

Ty all for the help

🫡

[ember linden]

Correction I accidentally put +2 | +1 252+ Atk Okidogi Upper Hand vs. 236 HP / 156+ Def Incineroar: 152-182 (76 - 91%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[orchid falcon]

thx yo

[gentle crag]

_agent9 has given 1 Gen Rep to vikxk

[fleet quarry]

(I forgot I can actually just do it in Showdown first lol)

[ember linden]

For example, if you wanted something on perish with fake-out, perish song, follow me, and spore, you’d run smeargle

Bc nothing else has all four of those moves in its movepool but smeargle.

[ember linden]

Yw

In conclusion that Incineroar just didn’t have the usual optimal bulk most of them run, so upperhand got it

[orchid falcon]

wait wouldn't smeargle die pretty fast?

[karmic temple]

https://pokepast.es/84ba9aea01200d18

Any suggestions for the last two 🫣

[orchid falcon]

i mean it has 250 BST

[ember linden]

Yes, but with something like perish, gothitelle could fake-out something, smeargle sets up perish song, then both mons use protect, then smeargle uses follow me. Then you are at the last or last few turns of perish.

Which is what that team in particular wishes to do.

Smeargle’s stats are the drawback to 90% of moves in the game.

[molten oasis]

How we doing

[ember linden]

Good, you Dray?

[orchid falcon]

whats stopping the other mon from one shotting smeargle tho?

[molten oasis]

Tired

[orchid falcon]

same

[molten oasis]

Lol

I’m kinda dreading going on ladder today as people are weird

[ember linden]

Focus sash, which I would run on that team if smeargle was to be used that way

[orchid falcon]

ooh ok

[molten oasis]

Why are you using smeargle?

[orchid falcon]

wait cab't you switch out of persih song?

[orchid falcon]

i wanted to know how its used

[ember linden]

Gothitelle has an ability that does not allow switches to be made

[orchid falcon]

i litteraly learned today that he uses sketch to learn a move perminently

[ember linden]

Unless you are a ghost type or have a counter ability

[orchid falcon]

oh ok

[molten oasis]

The most standard stuff is spore bulwark fake out and follow me

I’ve seen tail glow and astral barrage once (it was ass)

[orchid falcon]

oh ye he gets any protect lol

[ember linden]

I wouldn’t go bulwark

[molten oasis]

Neither would I

[orchid falcon]

spiky sheild sounds cool

[ember linden]

Just go spiky shield or baneful bunker based on the team, I’d say spiky shield

[molten oasis]

Not blocking status actually make the move way worse

Nice pfp vikx

[ember linden]

Why’d you bring it up if it most likely isn’t standard because of the drawback

Ty

[molten oasis]

That’s what I’ve been seeing

The most

That’s why

I think people will slowly pivot to normal protect or spiky shield in smeargles case

[ember linden]

They either don’t know or weezing is on their team, and in that case just use gouging fire

[molten oasis]

I also just don’t think you should use smeargle

[ember linden]

I consider standard the most consistent moveset that can be thrown on a team and work in most situations

[molten oasis]

I get fake out follow me and spore is nice and all but

It’s so frail, I’m not ever truly worried about it

[ember linden]

Yeah it fr fell off

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 235: Smeargle

Type

Normal

Abilities

Own Tempo, Technician, Moody (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/20/35/20/45/75

Total

250

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[molten oasis]

Yea that +3 astral barrage was definitely gonna hit very hard lol

[nocturne holly]

I don’t get the reference

I’ve only seen death note lmao

[molten oasis]

Well since I need to, time to ladder

Maybe I’ll vc and stream

[fallen rivet]

I’ve somehow made it to 1330’s. I feel like I’ve lost too much to be there lol

[dapper crag]

Only way to go up. Losses are simply necessary experiences. Even the best players won't go 100% winrate if you think about it.

[fallen rivet]

I agree

[autumn vault]

This is the truth that sadly way too many people need to learn

And i agree 100%

[dapper crag]

Yeah. Breaking it down helps not getting into the sore loser mindset (which is a pretty freaking common noob trap).

On another note ma boi Suicune is putting in work on balance in Reg F. Tried it for fun and it isn't bad.

[keen karma]

Its really fun too

I wanna try the legendary beasts

Walking wake i heard is really intensive

[dapper crag]

This is not a legendary beast

This is a Paradox

My 7 yo self will never boy into Suicune and Walking Wake being variants. They are distant relatives according to the Dex and it shall remain this way. (Things were better back in the day rant sort of lol)

[keen karma]

Mb thats what i meant

[dapper crag]

I was joking no need to take it that way lol

I know what you meant 😛

[tidal blade]

https://pokepast.es/b44f7644cbbba8c8
thoughts on the team?

[tired sage]

:0
double weather torn

[smoky hawk]

In doubles would beat up hit the partner 3 times?

[jovial storm]

I am trying to build up an Emboar in XY so I don’t have to waste resources in SV.

What would be a good way to build him?

All HP and ATK? All ATK and SPD? Or a mix of these three stats?

I am thinking of making him Reckless.

[tired sage]

4 time still i think…

[gentle notch]

I think I might have found someone to pair with Archaludon. Any good Maushold sets

[jovial storm]

I’d go Miraidon or Tornadus.

Depends on how you are building your bridge.

[tidal blade]

wait does whimsicott get rain dance

[dapper crag]

Whimsicott's moveset:

Physical Moves

Beat Up, Covet, Endeavor, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Knock Off, Natural Gift, Play Rough, Razor Leaf, Return, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Thief, U-turn

Special Moves

Absorb, Dazzling Gleam, Dream Eater, Energy Ball, Fairy Wind, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Gust, Hidden Power, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Mega Drain, Moonblast, Psychic, Round, Shadow Ball, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Attract, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Cotton Guard, Cotton Spore, Defog, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Grass Whistle, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Helping Hand, Leech Seed, Light Screen, Memento, Misty Terrain, Nature Power, Poison Powder, Protect, Rest, Safeguard, Sleep Talk, Stun Spore, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Switcheroo, Tailwind, Taunt, Tickle, Toxic, Trick Room, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Whimsicott.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/ed945a3456bf9848 🙂

[tired sage]

:0
no rain dance

[chrome knot]

imagine what would happen to her body if she knew rain dance

she’d look like a soggy cat😭

[nocturne holly]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/legendsofthemultiuniverse/images/b/b3/Screenshot_2020-08-12_Whimsicott_-_Google_Search(1).png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20200812063901

🗣️🔥🔥

[tired sage]

she’d be like that one altaria that lost all its floof

[tired sage]

no-
no-
no-
why-?

[chrome knot]

see

[nocturne holly]

LO or booster sp atk on raging bolt
The recoil can be bad but I also like pivoting bolt

[queen monolith]

I return

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/555d4449ff1e829d what do I add

[tidal blade]

archaludon might be interesting as a tech

since its pretty bulky and you have rain support

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/ed945a3456bf9848 archaludon is that guy tbh

it’s really fucking good
So damn bulky

[tidal blade]

why is flutter mane so bulky

for a mon with 55 base hp and defense why can it live a stab flare blitz from a giant prehistoric dinosaur

[keen karma]

what moveset does solo dozo run?

[tidal blade]

does anyone have an incin & archaludon spread?

[nocturne holly]

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 220 SpA / 28 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Flash Cannon
• Draco Meteor
• Thunderbolt
• Body Press

Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 236 HP / 4 Atk / 188 Def / 76 SpD / 4 Spe
Impish Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Parting Shot
• Knock Off
• Fake Out

[tidal blade]

ty

[gentle crag]

aeythr has given 1 Gen Rep to .begulajr.

[smoky hawk]

My team will be similar to this but there's some overlap between arch and bolt

So I question using both

Should be fine though. They both should do well vs water urshifu

[nocturne holly]

I questioned it too but they weirdly work well together

[gentle notch]

With Archaludon vs Heatran match ups, do you think it’s gonna be a fun mind game for the opponent Heatran? On one hand, they have to worry about Body Press while on the other hand, they have to worry about a Flash Cannon or 2 if Fairy Tera🤔🤔

[tidal blade]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2015486460-ds0o794aivmzj0kmbhtbo9mf4umhu8spw
archaludon simply doesnt die

[queen monolith]

Why would I want a fire Tera on iron hands?

[tidal blade]

cant get burned, fairy resist, and fire is just a good typing overall

but honestly anything from FWG is good on hands they each have their strengths and weaknesses

grass makes it immune to spore, ground resist, and resists urshifu

same with water but instead of spore immunity its just a good type

[autumn dagger]

Im trying to make a team including Zekrom, which tera type should i put him on and what moves?

[next stump]

zekrom is currently banned for in game ranked play

[queen monolith]

I might go grass then. Cause urshifu resist will be big. And plus ground resist is nice

[autumn dagger]

Wasn't really trying to do ranked ngl

I am NOT good enough and smart enough for ranked

[queen monolith]

Plus electric resist. Cause rn I do not have one that really can do that besides dengo

[autumn dagger]

I just realized this was competitive talk......

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/e30a5d68afc90821 this team cannot handle flutter very well. Ik I have scarf gapdos and heavy slam on Hydra but most of the time it doesn’t matter

Gapdos can’t Ohko it consistently

I also can’t really handle amoonguss flutter lando I

You guys have thoughts to help with this?

[summer shore]

A better speed control option

What that might be I can't say

All I know is Gapdos will let you down

[smoky hawk]

Iron crown is 1 base spe faster than urshifu

Indeedee HH + iron crown scarf expanding force is worth testing

Imagine that, fast psyspam

[keen karma]

icy wind flutter

[fallen rivet]

I cannot handle lando I rn lol

Counters my two special attackers

[nocturne holly]

Which are? Send the paste of your team

[fallen rivet]

The archaludon and primarina from earlier

https://pokepast.es/cc936d057cc7b826

[nocturne holly]

Does sludge bomb ohko prima?

[fallen rivet]

Lemme check

[tired sage]

it shouldn’t…?

prim is pretty beefy in SpD

[fallen rivet]

It does if it terastalizes, which is usually what happens

[tired sage]

:0

[nocturne holly]

yea that’s what I thought

[nocturne holly]

How much does it do to archaludon?

urshifu is good into lando i

[tired sage]

but being locked into eforce for psyspam is detrimental-

[nocturne holly]

Why?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1023: Iron Crown

Types

Steel/Psychic

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/72/100/122/108/98

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[nocturne holly]

tbh you could run booster spe

[tired sage]

wait if we’re going fast then maybe it’s ok…?

[nocturne holly]

it’s probably like a fast psyspam
like eruption hyphlosion

[tired sage]

symbiosis scarf booster SpA

[nocturne holly]

absofuckinglutely not

[tired sage]

i’m joking

[nocturne holly]

lol

[fallen rivet]

Always ohko’s if sandsear; roll if earth power. And then a 2ohko if I Tera fairy sludge bomb

[nocturne holly]

Ohko? That doesn’t sound right with AV lol

[fallen rivet]

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Tera Poison Landorus Sandsear Storm vs. 84 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 182-218 (103.4 - 123.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO yeah I don’t understand either lul

[nocturne holly]

did you change the arc spread?

[fallen rivet]

No I never did

[nocturne holly]

The one I sent?

[fallen rivet]

Let me try that one

[nocturne holly]

252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sandsear Storm vs. 252 HP / 28 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 198-234 (100.5 - 118.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Damn that’s crazy

[fallen rivet]

Beat me to it yeah

[nocturne holly]

Tera grass is an option

[fallen rivet]

That may be prudent

[nocturne holly]

but you have to be careful cause of sludge bomb

220+ SpA Archaludon Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Landorus: 138-163 (84.1 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[fallen rivet]

It would do the same since Tera fairy was my og type

[nocturne holly]

yea get some amount of chip in, Tera grass and you’re good

[tired sage]

sheer force goes crazy

[dapper crag]

Ability: Sheer Force

This Pokemon's attacks with secondary effects have their power multiplied by 1.3, but the secondary effects are removed. If a secondary effect was removed, it also removes the user's Life Orb recoil and Shell Bell recovery, and prevents the target's Anger Shell, Berserk, Color Change, Emergency Exit, Pickpocket, Wimp Out, Red Card, Eject Button, Kee Berry, and Maranga Berry from activating.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[nocturne holly]

not as simple as that
but the same idea

[fallen rivet]

Landoing is low key scarier than Landoot to me imo

[fallen rivet]

Right. Thanks for the advice again lol

[gentle crag]

wafflefries.787b has given 1 Gen Rep to .begulajr.

[nocturne holly]

“landoing” and “landoot” 😭😭

[fallen rivet]

Idk why I do that 😭😭

[hollow hatch]

are there any good rain setters that learn a swap out move?

[fallen rivet]

Pelipper learns u turn

And I guess torn does too but it rarely runs it

[tired sage]

lando-i is scary but it’s also weird cause you don’t get that intim that lando-t is so famous for

[hollow hatch]

regen u-turn rain dance

[tired sage]

like when you think lando, you think intimidate

[silk stream]

Absolutely loving Whimsicott + Iron Boulder lead. Perfect into Incin, urshi, torn. I can tail wind, encore or sunny day with whim. Then just bop with mighty cleave. If needed, can tera grass. I was also running e terrain, to set up raging bolt in the back. So raging bolt comes in with both e terrain and sun

[hollow hatch]

whimsicott doesn't learn rain q.q

[silk stream]

Sunny Day.

[nocturne holly]

can I see your boulder spread

[silk stream]

Just a jamie boyt one. I'm terrible with evs.

[tired sage]

well cause if whimsy learned rain dance then she’d lose her fluff that makes her cute-

[hollow hatch]

telling me i should run solar beam archaludon?

[nocturne holly]

I tried using boulder and had little success

Can you send it?

[silk stream]

https://pokepast.es/874109906539e54b

[tired sage]

no-?
isn’t arch usually in the rain-?

[silk stream]

Ur not wrong. I need the shiny one tho

[tired sage]

wait 252 252 and 4 on each-?

that’s possible-?

[silk stream]

It's 244

[tired sage]

oh i’m blind don’t mind me

[silk stream]

XD

[tired sage]

yeah that makes sense… but wouldn’t it be better to just run max max-?

[silk stream]

Played a few games. And in every one, it would 1 hit incin, torn

And that's what I want it for tbh

Jamie boyt normally knows what he's doing. So I trust.

[tired sage]

mighty cleave is something else cause it can go through protects…
it’s like shifu ability but on one move

[silk stream]

Yup

And 95 dmg 100 accuracy rock move. It's very nice

[tired sage]

oh it’s 100 acc :0

[silk stream]

So if its legal in the next reg. I'm 100% running it. Just that duo currently. Not 100% on rest of team. Was trying, kingambit, walking wake, fire oger, and raging bolt

[strange fjord]

100% accurate rock move is so good

[silk stream]

Just dosnt seem to gel tho. But the duo of boulder and whim worked so nicely for me.

[silk stream]

It's the first high dmging one too, I think. And goes thru protect xD

[hollow hatch]

helping hand is priority right?

[ember linden]

Yes

+3 priority

[strange fjord]

unless you count Ivy Cudgel

[silk stream]

Forget about rock oger constantly tbh

[ember linden]

Please don’t run boulder

[silk stream]

Sounds like an incin enjoyer

[ember linden]

It’s typing is so ass😭

[strange fjord]

+5 so it cant be fake out

[tired sage]

no guard stone edge ;-;
oh and cornerstone ivy cudgel

[silk stream]

But he round, and he pounds. What can u not like about it

[tired sage]

that’s why tera types exist

[ember linden]

You’re right mb

[ember linden]

Iron Boulder<Incin | Iron Boulder <Urshifu

Weak to common types in the format

[tired sage]

please don’t mock people for their choice-
that’s not really helping them understand why said mon isn’t preferable

[silk stream]

That's why um running with whim

[strange fjord]

unless you tera

[ember linden]

I’m not mocking anyone.

They made a joke response, so I did the same lol

[strange fjord]

or kill the opponent before they can kill you

[ember linden]

Why I said most of the time.

[silk stream]

It's tera grass. I can sunny day on whim when facing ursh. Surging does nothing. Whilst I then one hit the torn next to it

That's the idea at least. And it worked in the games I played. His typing is fkd tho, but I feel like he works anyways.

[ember linden]

Flutter mane still hits hard into it.

It gets walled be gholdengo

[silk stream]

Yes.

[ember linden]

I haven’t seen dengo yet but that’s a good pokemon that just destroys it

[hollow hatch]

if miraidon gets added, definitely running it as an opener with archaludon and volt switching into a drizzle mon

[silk stream]

But I do have other mons for that. This duo is solely for beating incin, torn and ursh

[ember linden]

Oh god

[tired sage]

oh god miraidon is gonna be disgusting-

[silk stream]

I get what ur saying tho

[fallen rivet]

I will say you may want to do cc over electric terrain

For more coverage

[ember linden]

What?

[tired sage]

mirai will enable alolan raichu tho-

[fallen rivet]

On iron boulder

Apologies

[tidal blade]

i swear they added terapagos just as a counter for mirai and korai

thats its sole purpose

[fallen rivet]

Y’know, that does make sense

[ember linden]

Where did manual electric terrain come from

[silk stream]

The electric terrain was there for when I know boulder ain't gonna work. And it directly sets up raging bolt. I'll probs change it tho, it was just an idea.

[hollow hatch]

i know how i just went about a big boom combo but there's one thing that stops it, pocket sand

[ember linden]

Ohh in the paste okay.

[fallen rivet]

But it acts better as a Kyogre/groudon counter

[silk stream]

And stops among amoongus a bit. With no sleep

[ember linden]

I didn’t catch that at first, I hope that isn’t staying.

[fallen rivet]

Yeah dw

[tidal blade]

who wins 2 giant time traveling dragons or small sparkly turtle

[silk stream]

Probs won't tho, find it odd boulder dosnt get stomping tantrum. So cc makes the most sense

[hollow hatch]

i don't know what i'm doing, just like making over complicated combos

[fallen rivet]

How do you mean

[tired sage]

i mean…
terapagos is weak to collision course

[ember linden]

Yeah cc or sacred sword is the optimal third move more times than not on boulder

[fallen rivet]

Oh yeah sacred sword forgor

[hollow hatch]

plays that require way too many moving parts like that opening i talked about

[ember linden]

It gets an ability that makes every move it gets hit by at full hp does 0.5x damage

[hollow hatch]

could always do max hp/speed pelipper and u-turn into pincurchin

[tired sage]

that’s at full hp…
nothing a fake out can’t fix

[ember linden]

On top of this it probably eats it anyway

Protect

[tired sage]

or any prio move tbh

vacuum wave, sucker punch, etc

[ember linden]

Even if that ability gets removed 160 base hp and 110 base def

[hollow hatch]

chip damage go brrr

[dapper crag]

Move: Collision Course

Damage is multiplied by 1.3333 if this move is super effective against the target.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

100

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[tired sage]

1.3 multiplier is its SE and stab-

[ember linden]

I’m curious to calc that

252+ Atk Koraidon Collision Course (Super Effective) vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Tera-Stellar Terapagos-Stellar: 219-259 (82 - 97%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I forgot it doesn’t get tera shell but it’ll still live

[molten oasis]

fluttermane does not answer fluttermane

I will stand on that hill until I die

[hollow hatch]

choice banded collision course does about 73% to a tera'd turtle

[ember linden]

No that’ll kill

But then you risk a flutter coming in so

[hollow hatch]

oh yeah cause it gets a extra 30%

[molten oasis]

It sure has

[ember linden]

Lmao

[molten oasis]

It tilted me and then 3 people watched me play poorly

[hollow hatch]

max hp or def terapagos actually has a chance of surviving and with both it's a 2 hit

[tired sage]

dang…

[ember linden]

None of us thought lesser of you bc of it we just told you what you could have done

[molten oasis]

It’s still me playing bad lol

[ember linden]

As long as you don’t say I don’t wanna hear it again lol

[molten oasis]

…

I say a lot of things not realizing what I said so

[ember linden]

We know

[nocturne holly]

holy fuck

[molten oasis]

Anyway I’m hoping to get a view from tofu today

[nocturne holly]

guys guess what

[ember linden]

Chicken butt

[molten oasis]

Oh a Mon that makes the flutter matchup feel better

Also not sure if heavy spam is worth on Hydrapple

[nocturne holly]

ABSOLUTELY FUCK LANDO I

[fallen rivet]

wtf do not the lando I /s

[tidal blade]

does raging bolt have any setup moves? like np

[molten oasis]

Calm mind

[nocturne holly]

FUCKING ANNOYING

[fallen rivet]

Yes

[tidal blade]

i was thinking of making a bulky screens team with it

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 146: Moltres-Galar

Types

Dark/Flying

Abilities

Berserk

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/85/90/100/125/90

Total

580

Base Species

Moltres

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[nocturne holly]

WHO TF THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD FUCKING IDEA TO LET IT DO SO MUCH FUCKING DAMAGE

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1021: Raging Bolt

Types

Electric/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/73/91/137/89/75

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[nocturne holly]

I’m fucking pissed

[fallen rivet]

I’m honestly shocked it didn’t have more play last gen

[ember linden]

I have urshifu and rillaboom my matchup into that is fine

[nocturne holly]

rillaboom is fine until it ohkoes with sludge bomb

it’s good into our whole team Vikx

[ember linden]

g-glide aqua jet

Trick room + rilla

[nocturne holly]

Tera poison

[fallen rivet]

That’s the main issue

[ember linden]

Thunderclap

We have the tools Cigar

[nocturne holly]

setting up tr is key

then sweep with bolt and archaludon I think

[molten oasis]

Man

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 645: Landorus

Types

Ground/Flying

Abilities

Sand Force, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

89/125/90/115/80/101

Total

600

Other Formes

Landorus-Therian

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[molten oasis]

I’m literally not touching the ladder until I change some things on this twam

[ember linden]

Send paste

[nocturne holly]

WHY DOES IT DO SO MUCH DAMAGE WITH ONLY 115 SP ATK

[ember linden]

Sheer force + secondary effects

[nocturne holly]

SHEER FORCE IS FUCKING CRAZY

[molten oasis]

And I don’t know what to change besides gapdos is underwhelming

[dapper crag]

Ability: Sheer Force

This Pokemon's attacks with secondary effects have their power multiplied by 1.3, but the secondary effects are removed. If a secondary effect was removed, it also removes the user's Life Orb recoil and Shell Bell recovery, and prevents the target's Anger Shell, Berserk, Color Change, Emergency Exit, Pickpocket, Wimp Out, Red Card, Eject Button, Kee Berry, and Maranga Berry from activating.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[ember linden]

Let me see it

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/5b7c119436e46b75 here you go

[nocturne holly]

OMG SHEER FORCE + LO

-calc 1.3^2

[gentle crag]

Result: 1.690000

[nocturne holly]

1.7 damage boost bruh

[fallen rivet]

It’s a choice spec but better

[latent leaf]

Best nature for scarf dracovish?

[fallen rivet]

Jolly imo

[fluid wind]

just curious but is legendarys allowed when reg f starts or nah

[fallen rivet]

Not restricteds (probably)

[fluid wind]

alright

[forest arrow]

Anything that isn’t Box Art, Calyrex, and Tarapogos

[fallen rivet]

Jury is still out on the new paradoxes too

They might be reg g

[ember linden]

I’m not the biggest fan of hydrapple, but rillaboom is a nice flutter answer

[forest arrow]

Serebii says wake and leaves will be allowed so I’m sure the other 4 will be too

[fallen rivet]

Oh in that case probably the

I did t know that my b

[tidal blade]

i honestly forgot about wake

[dapper crag]

Move: Hydro Steam

If the current weather is Sunny Day and the user is not holding Utility Umbrella, this move's damage is multiplied by 1.5 instead of halved for being Water type.

Type

Water

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Defrost

Thaws the user if frozen.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[forest arrow]

Sun teams got a huge buff with wake

[ember linden]

AV Gambit + Iron head is a good flutter answer

[molten oasis]

Hydrapple stays

Good luck getting me to drop hydrspple

[ember linden]

I’m saying for gapdos

[molten oasis]

Oh ok

[feral ledge]

I think because Wake and Leaves didn’t have Dex numbers at the time was why they weren’t allowed. So it makes me wonder why they even bothered having an event for Wave and Leaves

[ember linden]

Try Rilla tho

[ember linden]

For later aka this reg

[forest arrow]

To let us have them early m, tease the dlc

[molten oasis]

Idk about rilla

[ember linden]

/stupidity

[molten oasis]

I have to go fidget with sets

If I add rilla

[forest arrow]

You’re core is phenomenal, don’t touch that

[molten oasis]

As I do av or sitrus for longevity

[ember linden]

I’m talking miracle seed tera grass bro

[forest arrow]

Oh offense Rilla

[keen karma]

It kinda do

189 spe specs

[brave dune]

hey. im trying to build my first competitive team. i know the basics and all but idk where to start with team building

[molten oasis]

Doyle

[ember linden]

Rillaboom @ Miracle Seed
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 196 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Grassy Glide
• High Horsepower
• U-turn
• Fake Out

[molten oasis]

No it fucking doesn’t

[keen karma]

Language

[molten oasis]

Doyle that’s a 50/50 matchup, not an answer

[keen karma]

Alot of ppl are running less than 189 spe or im just winning every speed tie

Or run 205 spe specs

[fallen rivet]

Miracle seed monke goes hard imo

[molten oasis]

If they Tera fairy op shadow ball is not killing

[ember linden]

Checks and Answers are different things

[molten oasis]

I need something to blow it up

[feral ledge]

I just finished putting the finishing touches on my Regulation F team. I’m excited because I’m going to start testing it in casual matchups mind if I share my team?

[ember linden]

Flutter is a check to opposing flutters, but heavy slam hands is an answer

[molten oasis]

That also doesn’t get rolled by specs moonblast

[forest arrow]

For sure

[feral ledge]

https://pokepast.es/5050deb033defde5

[keen karma]

Team???

[molten oasis]

Literally nothing on my team wants to take specs moonblast

https://pokepast.es/7d35f8decbd898eb

Heavy slam does not Ohko

Unless I helping hand

Otherwise that spot is kinda not used

[keen karma]

Rillaboom

[ember linden]

Rillaboom

[keen karma]

Great minds think alike

[ember linden]

Sucker punch grassy glide

[keen karma]

Wood hammer

[ember linden]

Flutter doesn’t get to do that

That too but I don’t prefer it on miracle seed

[ember linden]

Indeed they do.

Not at all

[molten oasis]

Someone gimme an ev spread

[ember linden]

Bro scroll up💀💀

[forest arrow]

I thought about physic typing lol

[molten oasis]

For miracle seed rilla

[nocturne holly]

guess what can
||252hp 28 sp def AV archaludon 😎 ||

[ember linden]

.

You could distribute that 60 but I prefer outspeeding most Rilla

[keen karma]

252 hp 252 atk

[feral ledge]

The only thing left to do on my team is decide if the Tera Types I chose were the correct ones

[molten oasis]

Av is taken

[nocturne holly]

Vikx what do you think about adding sinistcha to the team? The healing would be clutch for archaludon and bolt + redirection

[ember linden]

It does not want to tho

[keen karma]

Max max tera grass

[nocturne holly]

but it can
And that’s all that matters (joke)

[keen karma]

Thats what i run

[molten oasis]

I already 2hko it with moonblast from Primarina

[ember linden]

I like what I have

[keen karma]

Too bad prima isnt getting a second hit in

[ember linden]

I don’t need to be greedy

[nocturne holly]

mhm

ima try sinis

[ember linden]

Double f-o is amazing

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/824be2a39301b762 still gonna consult tofu for an answer but I’ll start with this

[mighty stump]

Consult your mom

[molten oasis]

oh hi tofu

[hollow hatch]

i don't know how to calc something, i need help

[nocturne holly]

I was thinking over fari

[molten oasis]

My mom doesn’t know vgc things

[ember linden]

The man the myth the legend

[nocturne holly]

not tofu just spawning in 💀

[ember linden]

That’s fucking crazy wild dude hell no

[nocturne holly]

🤷‍♂️

[molten oasis]

The core doesn’t change

[mighty stump]

Does Heavy Slam on Hydrapple actually KO

[nocturne holly]

no

[ember linden]

💀

[molten oasis]

Nope, unless I helping hand

Or the flutter has no bulk

[fallen rivet]

Ok I made this in like 5 minutes how do we feel about it https://pokepast.es/60a5a332cc09cd5d

[molten oasis]

It was something I was testing

[mighty stump]

Then its not worth it

[feral ledge]

Does anyone have thoughts on the team I shared?

[nocturne holly]

we were talking bout our team btw

[molten oasis]

That was my thought, ok

[ember linden]

He was talking to us?

[mighty stump]

Idk, the team looks fine to me by all means

[nocturne holly]

Idk I thought he was

[keen karma]

252 hp 252 atk speed is overrated

[mighty stump]

Whats wrong with it

[ember linden]

Well I thought he was talking about Prima+Incin+Hydrapple

[nocturne holly]

the social cues aren’t working today

[nocturne holly]

idk man I’m a little fucking stupid

[molten oasis]

It can’t do shit into flutter lando amoonguss

[ember linden]

Okay.

[bold geode]

Flutter Lando and Amoongus yeah
Also Ape is scary

[keen karma]

Now you handle all 3

[ember linden]

Lando-I

[molten oasis]

Rilla loses to lando I

[ember linden]

My ass

[keen karma]

O

[nocturne holly]

boutta cook a team using a core of flutter landot amoonguss ape just for the sole purpose of maybe facing you guys on showdown

[molten oasis]

Without av it sure does

[ember linden]

If you pressure tera with rilla that’s what you want them to do

[bold geode]

Lando T ain't bad
Lando I is the problem

[hollow hatch]

what's an opening pokemon i should damage calc the railgun against?

[mighty stump]

Lando I is the problem?

[ember linden]

Then gambit most likely kos

[keen karma]

Dont you have prima

[molten oasis]

Specifically WITH flutter and amoonguss

[bold geode]

Already got Lorb on Primarina which is huge
Being able to do half to Fire types with Hyper Voice even in sun is wild

[molten oasis]

I can’t lead anything into it

[mighty stump]

I just fixed your problem

Run goggles Kingambit

Youre welcome

[molten oasis]

Flutter blows everything up, lando I preven, huh?

[bold geode]

We got Goggles Farigiraf

[mighty stump]

Ok and

[molten oasis]

How often is Fari getting value from goggles monke?

[nocturne holly]

How does this fix lando i?

[bold geode]

Feels like at least 40%

[mighty stump]

Does Lando I take +2 Sucker with HH

[molten oasis]

No goggles let’s me click sucker punch

[nocturne holly]

ok that is true

[ember linden]

I was specifying what lando he was talking about in case he didn’t edit it Monke

[molten oasis]

Nothing takes +2 hh sucker lol

[true niche]

thunder clap has higher priority bracket than sucker punch ? 🤨

[bold geode]

Ok now Tofu
What about the fucking monkey

[mighty stump]

Grimmsnarl does 👌

[nocturne holly]

except archaludon

[molten oasis]

Alr we’ll do goggles

[keen karma]

2.2 geometry dash released

[molten oasis]

Grimm 4x resist it that makes snese

[bold geode]

IT DID

[keen karma]

Yes

[molten oasis]

Ok

[ember linden]

No it does not

[fallen garden]

Hmm needing to decide between catching regidrago and regieleki

[molten oasis]

So we do goggles

[bold geode]

HUGE

[molten oasis]

Then, what item goes on Fari

[fallen rivet]

OH HOLY CRAP BRB

[ember linden]

Helmet you goober

[bold geode]

Ez
Rocky

[forest arrow]

Rocky helmet

[molten oasis]

Oh true

[hollow hatch]

damn the 30% percent buff from electric terrain is nice but if i tera electric i get a larger boost, gain electric stab, and lose a weakness

[true niche]

SEREBII IS WRONG!!

[molten oasis]

Unfort that now Fari can go sleep before tr goes up

[bold geode]

@mighty stump now what about our monkey infestation

[mighty stump]

What about it

[molten oasis]

Annihilape is tricky for the team

[ember linden]

Tofu you know anything about this?

[bold geode]

How do we the monkey Tofu

[mighty stump]

Thunderclap is +1

[ember linden]

I thought so🤦‍♂️

[ember linden]

Goobertown

[bold geode]

Annihilape is a bitch for this team

[molten oasis]

Right now we can say gapdos isn’t gonna be here on the team

[mighty stump]

I don’t understand what this is even pointing out

[molten oasis]

Unless it is fine

[bold geode]

Bye bye birdie?

[mighty stump]

Youre boosting Kingambit just tera away from@your weakness of DP and ignore it

[ember linden]

They say Thunderclap is more prio than sucker

[mighty stump]

Then delete it

[molten oasis]

Cuz the entire reason behind it was flutter, then flutter started living Bb so

[mighty stump]

Tf is a stage

[forest arrow]

Stage 2 must mean +2

[mighty stump]

Anyways Serebii is doing new live coverage anyways

Theyre gonna get things wrong

Lol

[bold geode]

But if we ignore monkey, it bulk up and be a bitch later

[ember linden]

Stage💀💀😭

[mighty stump]

Joe, as much as he has shit takes@sometimes d-riding TPCi, does it all himself

[mighty stump]

Then run through the slots quickly enough after you boost

plus you have psychic noise

[molten oasis]

Nothing outright answers ape monke

[mighty stump]

Farigiraf walls Annihilape

[nocturne holly]

fr psychic noise just destroys ape lmao

[bold geode]

So go brr before monkey go brrrr

[mighty stump]

You click Psychic Noise and its left with Rage fist

[nocturne holly]

it can’t rage fist you

[ember linden]

Monke psychic noise + normal typing walls ape

[molten oasis]

It can’t touch us yea

[ember linden]

Yeah

[bold geode]

Ok Vik no need to say that again lol

[molten oasis]

And we just need to remove maus if is mausape

[ember linden]

Yeah or the psychic noise?

Tofu just typed it faster I didn’t know I’d repeat anything

[molten oasis]

Lol

K

[mighty stump]

Im on my phone 😎

[bold geode]

[mighty stump]

Half asleep 😎

[nocturne holly]

Yea

[bold geode]

Me always

[molten oasis]

We also found NOTHING wants to take Tera fsiry moonblast

[ember linden]

I’m on my phone💀

[ember linden]

Does anything AT ALL Dray?

[molten oasis]

so flutter remains just, extremely annoying

[ember linden]

That doesn’t tera away

[molten oasis]

Resists

So harc, uhhhhh

[nocturne holly]

turn your phone off tofu
you need the eepy sleepy

[mighty stump]

Just calc for it

[molten oasis]

Yk fair point lol

[mighty stump]

I just woke up

[ember linden]

He’s a night owl

[molten oasis]

Everything lives it, usually

[nocturne holly]

have you brushed

[molten oasis]

Fari went down to it the first time ever today

When usually it doesn’t

[ember linden]

Everything definitely lives umbrella moonblast

[nocturne holly]

what fari spread are you guys running

[bold geode]

Yah also Tofu
Now the Flutter are living the Brave Birds
From the 252+ attack Gapdos

[forest arrow]

You already know mine lol

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/824be2a39301b762 items are changing

[ember linden]

Oh on your team nvm

[forest arrow]

Bulk city

[nocturne holly]

Send

[molten oasis]

I think also gapdos is not super helpful outside of, hitting flutter anyway

[ember linden]

Did you guys ever do the calc to see what flutter spread lived that

[forest arrow]

Farigiraf @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 236 Def / 4 SpA / 4 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
– Psychic Noise
– Dazzling Gleam
– Trick Room
– Imprison

[nocturne holly]

Bet thx

[gentle crag]

.begulajr. has given 1 Gen Rep to throwdatahh

[bold geode]

My thing is wtf do we run instead

[true niche]

ooh it learns psychic noise 👀

[ember linden]

Rilla

[nocturne holly]

wait where’s the sp def

[ember linden]

Fari does not need it

[bold geode]

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 981: Farigiraf

Types

Normal/Psychic

Abilities

Cud Chew, Armor Tail, Sap Sipper (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

120/90/70/110/70/60

Total

520

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[molten oasis]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 196 HP / 100 SpD Farigiraf: 160-189 (72.7 - 85.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO it crit

Wait

[ember linden]

I use this Farigiraf @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 228 Def / 4 SpA / 4 SpD / 20 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Psychic Noise
• Imprison
• Trick Room

[molten oasis]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 196 HP / 100 SpD Farigiraf: 214-252 (97.2 - 114.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO nvm I’m dumb

[true niche]

Farigiraf top tier?

[molten oasis]

Nothing runs this much

[nocturne holly]

fr you idiot

[ember linden]

For sure

[forest arrow]

I just use Kelsch’s spread from worlds, more physical dominant meta, although we did just get a lot of special attackers

[bold geode]

Apparently one does

[ember linden]

116 specs modest is maximum you should calc for unless you’re just seeing if something takes it

[molten oasis]

116+ SpA Choice Specs Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 196 HP / 100 SpD Farigiraf: 194-230 (88.1 - 104.5%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

[molten oasis]

Remember when the flutter wiped my Fari earlier

[nocturne holly]

how investment does flutter need to live brave bird tho

[molten oasis]

That thing had to have run more spA investment

[ember linden]

It was probably max, and that is very uncommon

[molten oasis]

Yea that’s my thought

[ember linden]

There’s additional benefits to that killing you y’know

Knowing for g2 or g3 that the flutter has lesser bulk

[molten oasis]

Ig

I also think I’m gonna dump the spA into spD

[ember linden]

Meaning that g-glide would ohko for the next time

[fluid wind]

https://pokepast.es/ca3acbfa2fc6e6a5 just went 4-1 with this team

[mighty stump]

Thats just a meta team with a random swampert

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[ember linden]

Damp and no yawnbot seems crazy to me

[true niche]

did any other currents mons get some really good moves like psychic noise on farigaraf?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 260: Swampert

Types

Water/Ground

Abilities

Torrent, Damp (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/110/90/85/90/60

Total

535

Other Formes

Swampert-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[bold geode]

Like plz do not the Swampert

[ember linden]

Sure, Incineroar got knock off

[forest arrow]

Expanding Force Hatterenne

[ember linden]

Sure we’re all glad this happened.

[dapper crag]

Ability: Damp

While this Pokemon is active, Explosion, Mind Blown, Misty Explosion, Self-Destruct, and the Aftermath Ability are prevented from having an effect.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[molten oasis]

So discount urshifu lol

You’re also running eq on a team with rillaboom?

[ember linden]

4-1 in a tournament of 5 maybe

[mighty stump]

Usually people just mean W/L

[keen karma]

Just wait until my kingdra team

[ember linden]

Ik

[mighty stump]

Kingdra is fine

[keen karma]

Or if wake is legal wake

[ember linden]

Kingdra is a W

[mighty stump]

As long as Swift Swim

[ember linden]

Mhm

[keen karma]

I got clapped by it on bo1 ladder

It reached rank 1 i think

[forest arrow]

Wake may be the better Dragon/Water of the two, swift swim goated tho

[keen karma]

Yesterday

[molten oasis]

Hmm

[mighty stump]

Source?

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump

shiny raids are back

[mighty stump]

Yes?

Oh nice

[molten oasis]

Should I run pollen puff or syrup bomb in the last spot

[chrome knot]

and i found a cute whimsicott

[molten oasis]

For Hydra

[nocturne holly]

Shiny? Wdym

[mighty stump]

I need

[chrome knot]

i can find shiny raids again

[keen karma]

I faced the person like 500 times yesterday

And kept resetting the leaderboard

[ember linden]

If you care about the extra 40 speed when both are maxed out(when wake has booster speed max timid)

[mighty stump]

Gib the fluff

[ember linden]

I can get you a shiny whim Tofu

My herba amount is off the roof

[keen karma]

Rng manip advancing?

[nocturne holly]

This you?

[keen karma]

Thats what i did unfortunately for my ditto (took me 3 hours)

[keen karma]

No i was 2-2-2 laddering yesterday

[nocturne holly]

I see
thought it was you cuz you were using kingdra and were asking bout hat

[molten oasis]

Psyspam+perish trap wtf

[mighty stump]

im OT only

Thanks though

[nocturne holly]

fr

[true niche]

Omg politoad and kingdra ? 😩

[ember linden]

You got it, I’m the same way. Got 7 boxes of my OT

[keen karma]

Yeah get me one

[ember linden]

May or may not have 1k hours on s and v combined

[ember linden]

No.

[chrome knot]

ill try

[keen karma]

Lemme in on it

[chrome knot]

no prob not

[hollow hatch]

my inner slowpoke is activating

so many possibilities my teambuilding has come to a crawl

[tired sage]

i feel you

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/ffb0cb020c463647 what should i make incineroars fourth move

[tired sage]

knock off

it got knock off back…

[ember linden]

Knock off there makes the most consistent set

[karmic temple]

What are we looking as an av archuladon spread

[tired sage]

also it’s what made it really good in sm/usum

plus intim so role compression

[feral ledge]

Knock Off, it’s what I’m using with mine

[hollow hatch]

https://pokepast.es/cd837f99b3d76162 here's what i got so far, don't know why i added bax other than i wanted to use it

[latent leaf]

What are some good support mons to pair with dracovish in sword

[tired sage]

uh…
for online battles…?

[latent leaf]

Yeah

[tired sage]

uh…
idk if people play online ranked in swsh…

[ember linden]

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 236 HP / 4 Def / 196 SpA / 28 SpD / 44 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Draco Meteor
• Flash Cannon
• Thunderbolt
• Body Press

[strange fjord]

I tried ranked on SwSh right before DLC 1. Like Maybe 3 people where there lol

So you could play ranked on SwSh but you wont get many battles or rank up at all.

You'll also have to wait a while too

[ember linden]

This is another option Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 220 SpA / 28 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Draco Meteor
• Flash Cannon
• Thunderbolt
• Body Press

[brave dune]

https://pokepast.es/f8d4946f35451bc5 can anyone take a look at this team and lmk how i can make it better

[tired sage]

i wish xD

[tired sage]

:0 tera electric pao

[brave dune]

Is that bad 😭

[azure musk]

How does Cud Chew work?

[tired sage]

no it’s just people usually run ghost cause then 4x weakness to fighting just disappears

[ember linden]

Did some editing https://pokepast.es/1900194aff266fc5

[brave dune]

Ohh you’re right. Thanks

Anything else I might needa fix

[ember linden]

@brave dune

[tired sage]

also LOrb tera normal dragonite would be optimal running dd instead of tera blast

but the band variant is more common

[tired sage]

i would run another coverage move instead of 2 fairy moves on flutter if it’s specs imo

[latent path]

Wait does it not work? 🤯

[brave dune]

Could you explain why the incineroar’s evs change? Just so I know for next time

[latent path]

I just thought of it I don’t know if it would actually work or not

[ember linden]

Lives urshifu surging strikes, lives modest 116 tera fairy moonblast from choice specs flutter, 36 is all you need to outspeed most incineroar

[tired sage]

the psychic weakness is uhhh… not desirable.
and also you’re fked if TR goes up

i’m an indeedee trust me

[brave dune]

Ahhh thank you

[latent path]

TR?

[gentle crag]

bunde_ has given 1 Gen Rep to vikxk

[ember linden]

Yw

[tired sage]

trick room

[latent path]

Sorry I am not a competitive player lmao

[dapper crag]

Move: Trick Room

For 5 turns, the Speed of every Pokemon is recalculated for the purposes of determining turn order. During the effect, each Pokemon's Speed is considered to be (10000 - its normal Speed), and if this value is greater than 8191, 8192 is subtracted from it. If this move is used during the effect, the effect ends.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

5 (8)

Priority

-7

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[latent path]

Yeah that makes sense

[tired sage]

basically reverses the order so the slowest one moves first

[tired sage]

unless some idiot like me runs 252 speed for no reason

[latent path]

I don’t really play much competitive just thought I’d send a meme in lmao

[tired sage]

it works in theory tho.
so yk… don’t be disheartened

[hollow hatch]

tossed bax and finished the team, thoughts and recommendations?

https://pokepast.es/28b4c808f23fc896

[ember linden]

No good reason

You can use the ping reply idgaf

I want you to so I’ll always see it

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/dd4c66ccf0811132 thoughts y’all?

[hollow hatch]

man i suck, just got swept by walking wake q.q

[pliant ruin]

im waiting till they confirm what paradox will be allowed before building

i dont think wake will be legal

[next stump]

solid team, I have 3 of the same 6 with some different sets and I think the archetype works well

just be careful into hyper offense that can break farigarif

there is a chi-yu/eleki/indeedee guy on high ladder that’s basically impossible to play farig into

[keen karma]

it likely will be

[molten oasis]

You like the idea behind hydrapple Fari incin?

[keen karma]

if it is im probably gonna build around it or gouging

[next stump]

i like incin but honestly i don’t see the point behind hydrapple

incin is good on this team because it actually provides a threat to shit like gholdengo which can otherwise just plot in your face sometimes

[molten oasis]

Hydrapple has regenerator, team is built around it, incin has intimidate and parting shot

Primarina has really good defensive synergy with it

Fari is the tr setter, and I rarely can’t set tr

[keen karma]

what do they do?

[molten oasis]

I like Hydrapple with av to make up for it’s middling special defense

[next stump]

you just play a guessing game of what slot switches into indeedee, if any at all

[molten oasis]

And poison is a good defensive Tera in general and feels better than steel/fire does

[tired sage]

i’ve been doing meme builds and uh… it does some weird stuff

[molten oasis]

If that makes enough sense for ya for Hydrapple

[tired sage]

but mines usually 0speed evs cause tr

[molten oasis]

I think in a nutshell hydrspple is offensive amoonguss

[tired sage]

without the spore-

[ember linden]

Yes.

[molten oasis]

Yea that’s why it’s offensive amoonguss lol

[tired sage]

oh so are we saying tera poison is better?
still tryna figure things out

[molten oasis]

Right now yes

[keen karma]

im really loving flutter yu rn

[molten oasis]

It takes neutrals from most stuff very well

[keen karma]

it feels too good

maybe if i adjust my playstyle a bit to run it with sun i have something going

[molten oasis]

really hoping I don’t get to the point Hydrapple just outright becomes bad

Right now it’s not, it feels good to use

[keen karma]

tbh we also still dont know exactly what it's role is

[tired sage]

flutter fish…
used to be something i ran all the time but it’s… hard to pilot into stomping tantrum lando T

[molten oasis]

Tofu thinks it’s good

[keen karma]

i think its good for sure

[molten oasis]

Like the team

[tired sage]

flutter fish or hydrapple-