competitive_discussion

[dull ibex]

ah ok

[next stump]

They got the first ever format wrong, Reg A

[dull ibex]

my bad then I apologize

[next stump]

they thought it would be Reg D ruleset

or wait… maybe Reg C

[dull ibex]

I stand by there being no reason to assume wake will be banned though

[chrome knot]

reg c sounds more accurate we didn’t have home at the start lmao

[dull ibex]

actually I do remember thinking mane would be legal

[next stump]

yeah hahaha whichever the one that introduced the ruins was

[dull ibex]

then waiting two formats

maybe not mane

[cyan smelt]

i mean IL/WW aren't even in the blueberry dex lol

[chrome knot]

they are

just as extra slots @ 241 & 242

[cyan smelt]

they don't count for dex completion

[chrome knot]

no shit

they were released months before dlc2

[nocturne holly]

🗣️

[dull ibex]

yeah that is a bit silly to point out imo

you dont even get them in dlc 2

[chrome knot]

redistribution should mean it can be used

[keen karma]

hydrapplin + heatran

[chrome knot]

otherwise what is the point of them existing lmao

[dull ibex]

its like they are consider mythicals

[nocturne holly]

and then add flutter

[dull ibex]

atleast that would make sense for them not to be legal

[next stump]

it’s so dumb that they’re not just encounters you can do in the game like the other paradox legends

why are they different lol

[chrome knot]

they are paradoxes like

and their other friends are legal

[nocturne holly]

ok so
rigorous testing has showed
iron boulder is kinda dog

ass typing

and its so fucking frail

[quaint willow]

What are yall calcing archaludon to outspeed?

[keen karma]

does lillikoal need psyspam

[nocturne holly]

no

[keen karma]

i cant say ive ever seen it run w/o it

[next stump]

it won a regional without it i think, i can’t remember the team

maybe i’m tripping

[keen karma]

like im thinking that maybe walking wake works with it

[nocturne holly]

i mean
with tw you outspeed base 135s

[smoky hawk]

Boulder looks not so frail on paper. But I could see flutter shadow ball being a threat

[next stump]

if you’re building for your regional in a couple weeks, IMO don’t use wake or the paradox legends

[nocturne holly]

i have a couple archaludon spreads

[next stump]

you slightly risk wasting your time

[keen karma]

ok

dont build with the new mons?

[next stump]

just those IMO

[keen karma]

in general

[next stump]

i think shit like metagross and all of those are 100% without a doubt legal

that’s just my opinion, you are welcome to still build with them

[keen karma]

i mean its valid advice

[bold geode]

Emmie I'm having hard time getting balls

[keen karma]

its so hard to figure out a core that interests me

[summer shore]

Monkgye

[smoky hawk]

I'm going to Portland. I'm waiting on TPCI to announce the format officially

[bold geode]

Shirogye

[keen karma]

or more like one that actually want to run

maybe psyspam or something

probably psyspam easiest to pilot

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/15b8caa4784f809f what could i replace boulder with? was thinking of fari

[next stump]

same 🙂 I’m just using my Reg E team lol

[nocturne holly]

psyspam actually takes skill

[bold geode]

GAMBLING IS A BITCH BUT I LOVE IT

[next stump]

seeing how it matches into Reg F

so far Rillaboom seems kinda dooky

[summer shore]

I would actually be Shirgyo

[keen karma]

for me its just clicking

[nocturne holly]

its way more tbh

once you get into it

[bold geode]

Damn my bad

[keen karma]

Mostly my familiarity with psyspam just comes with shutting it down constanty

[smoky hawk]

We should hang at the event

[summer shore]

Yeah you know it

[bold geode]

Rillaboom actually ain't too bad tbh
I am LOVING Psychic Noise rn though lmao

[smoky hawk]

Psychic noise on what? Farigaraf?

[bold geode]

Yes

[nocturne holly]

yessir

[keen karma]

Rillaboom is so hard to bring in with so many dragons

[nocturne holly]

psychic noise shutting down DP is great

[smoky hawk]

Good against amoonguss, I imagine

[bold geode]

Funny thing is I thought moves that do healing would still do damage
But like if you use it on Hands, it actually can't use DP

Can't even click it with the Heal Block, it fails

[smoky hawk]

Sorry what's DP?

Maybe I'm blanking out

[keen karma]

psychic noise + throat spray I imagine is gonna be cracked

[karmic temple]

Drain punch

[bold geode]

What is the one thing that Hands likes to do

[nocturne holly]

damn thats not a bad idea tbh

[smoky hawk]

Oh of course

Wait wait

[dapper crag]

Move: Heal Block

For 5 turns, the target is prevented from restoring any HP as long as it remains active. During the effect, healing and draining moves are unusable, and Abilities and items that grant healing will not heal the user. If an affected Pokemon uses Baton Pass, the replacement will remain unable to restore its HP. Pain Split and the Regenerator Ability are unaffected.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[mighty stump]

Yeah so this is not a bug lol

[smoky hawk]

Drain Punch doesn't even do damage if it gets hit with psychic noise?!

[mighty stump]

Because it applies Heal Block

[nocturne holly]

yup
disables it

[mighty stump]

and Heal Block prevents healing moves

[bold geode]

Nope
It fails even if you use it same turn

[smoky hawk]

Holy crap

[nocturne holly]

throat spray fari sounds interesting tho

[smoky hawk]

That's huge

[nocturne holly]

with psychic noise

[keen karma]

any one have a hattdd ev spread

[bold geode]

So if Farigiraf hits you with PNoise the same turn you DP, it just fails
Like if you Imprison TR when a Mon is clicking TR

[smoky hawk]

That's amazing

Only downside is 15 less BP

[bold geode]

Yeah but to eliminate one of Hands mainstay factors for a couple turns
Huge

[nocturne holly]

i need fari spread

[smoky hawk]

What if amoonguss clicks pollen puff on its partner but you hit its partner with psychic noise?

PP fails?

[bold geode]

Probably same thing yeah

[nocturne holly]

isnt that based on targest tho

pollen puff is based on who you target

[bold geode]

I mean it's still trying to heal the Mon that has a Heal Block so

[nocturne holly]

oh i thought if amoonguss had heal block

Farigiraf (F) @ Throat Spray
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 196 HP / 164 Def / 44 SpA / 100 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Psychic Noise
• Imprison
• Trick Room

[mighty stump]

Honestly I feel Imprison can be kinda eh

But ig if you dont need Helping Hand

[keen karma]

https://pokepast.es/7f40024d0f9a779a im not really familiar with hattdd so i just robbed bravado's team would incin be better than regidrago

[smoky hawk]

Psychic noise is also sound based, allowing it to hit thru substitute

[mighty stump]

Very different

[keen karma]

wdym

[mighty stump]

Regidrago and Incin do not the same things

and have completely different roles

[keen karma]

i mean for intim though

[mighty stump]

The overall dynamic and consideration of people would change

[keen karma]

ok

[dull ibex]

yeah incin doesnt fit this team tbh

[queen monolith]

What’s good people

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/b30302487dae6c91 im having so much fucking trouble figuring something for this last slot
idk how does fari look on this

tr only really helps archa

[smoky hawk]

That's a statement we will probably hear almost never

[dull ibex]

realistically it cant replace anything on that team

and terrain acts against it

[bold geode]

I FINALLY GOT BALL LOTTO

[keen karma]

what took you so long?

[mighty stump]

What are you having trouble with

[bold geode]

Idfk
Been like 10-15 min

[mighty stump]

Jesus thats a lot of Def on Archaludon

Why do you need that much

[smoky hawk]

I still need to upgrade my item printer

[mighty stump]

Ew, Electro Shot

[nocturne holly]

lives 252+ urshi cc

[bold geode]

Yeah you have the defense investments swapped honestly

[mighty stump]

People with dem Adamant shifus are a menace but eh

You have Intim

[nocturne holly]

that is true

[bold geode]

Also idk if rain really is needed here

[mighty stump]

Are you just trying to make an Archaludon team cause ive just been giving mine out for free to see what people come up with

[bold geode]

Lmao
"Gotta make this my own"

[nocturne holly]

no lmao

i was thinking bout archaludon long before i saw your team

[mighty stump]

Okay good for you that wasn't what I meant

[nocturne holly]

what did you mean

[mighty stump]

Whats Farigiraf there for anyways

[mighty stump]

If you wanted something functional to base your ideas off of that you can then figure out how Archaludon actually works.

[nocturne holly]

to support archaludon with tr and it synergizes well with incin
played a few games tho but doesnt feel good

[keen karma]

i might run tera water tera blast on hatterene

[mighty stump]

Yeah cause 1) It doesn't need TR and is in fact undersped than some of the things you're facing and 2) Electro Shot is gigabait cause without Rain you lose an entire moveslot

[nocturne holly]

tera blast over electro shot?

[mighty stump]

Fairy also means you lose the Urshifu resist which is one of the things you're trying to check

for Surging

[nocturne holly]

mhm

[mighty stump]

and Thunderbolt over Tera Blast cause you don't need Tera Blast

[nocturne holly]

is tbolt just for shifu

[mighty stump]

And whatever vague SE coverage you want to have as well. Keep in mind this format is going to have a lot of setup/stat reduction simply cause of Incin existing.

[nocturne holly]

i see

[mighty stump]

If you want to actively use Body Press you need to retain your Urshifu resist

Otherwise you fucked your longevity

[nocturne holly]

mhm so grass?

also does archa need rain

[mighty stump]

Nope.

Again, Electro Shot is bait

[nocturne holly]

hmm

is the defense investment needed then

if im stacking with stamina

[mighty stump]

I put 4 just to live CC from Jolly Shifu cause I have Intimidate support.

[keen karma]

incin can force switches on hatt with parting???

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/dcca82695a3ba8f1

[mighty stump]

Yep

We're currently 36-15 with the team

[nocturne holly]

w

[mighty stump]

Main point of concern is making sure to remove Lando-Is cause the Japanese like that mon. It accounts for the assumed popularity of Raging Bolt into Urshifu-RS teams

But eh you can kinda tank through it, Draco chunks Lando-I

228+ SpA Archaludon Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Landorus: 139-165 (84.7 - 100.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[keen karma]

does psychic terain block after you?

[mighty stump]

No

After You is not a priority move

[quaint cradle]

Which cute Pokémon have competitive niches / viability? So far I've got Cinccino, Whimsicott and Ninetails

[mighty stump]

and priority moves between allies are not blocked

[mighty stump]

Whimsicott and Ninetails.

[keen karma]

then why didnt it work first turn

[mighty stump]

Whimsicott is going to be the new face of TW HO.

[mighty stump]

Who was it clicked on.

[quaint cradle]

Well yes but I've already got her

[dull ibex]

but but torn better!

[keen karma]

torkoal

[quaint cradle]

I'm trying to find others to shiny hunt / build

[keen karma]

i was running lillikoal

[mighty stump]

Clefairy.

[dull ibex]

I was told shifu doesnt want to be next to whim I hope that doesnt age well tbh

[keen karma]

was it because i tera'd?

[mighty stump]

Did you get redirected?

[nocturne holly]

if i pollen puff into my own archaludon does it proc stamina

[keen karma]

oh yeah

[mighty stump]

I'm going to assume damage is required to trigger it.

If it does, then that's just a happy bonus

[nocturne holly]

ima test that

[dull ibex]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regfbo3-2014355779

[dapper crag]

Ability: Stamina

This Pokemon's Defense is raised by 1 stage after it is damaged by a move.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[mighty stump]

There you go

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/98e50a9ad9ff0e06

the beat up stamina shenanigans are reall

+4 defense is real

[bold geode]

Nah
Don't even need that

[dull ibex]

any ways i can make this better https://pokepast.es/a110b99ab428c65d?

[nocturne holly]

yea its annoying to face

[nocturne holly]

i need speed control with this

[bold geode]

Looks like TR eats you up

[dull ibex]

as per usual with hyper offense

thats a given

[mighty stump]

Depends on TR form

Chi-Yu is free for Psyspam lol

[dull ibex]

anyways yeah any actual ways to improve it

[dull ibex]

fair

[mighty stump]

Yeah, use sspecs Gholdengo

[dull ibex]

same spread or?

[mighty stump]

You don't have any way to Nasty Plot

Lol

[keen karma]

pelipper is so free for psyspam

[dull ibex]

what does specs ghold do for me btw?

[mighty stump]

What does Nasty Plot Ghold do for you

[dull ibex]

just tell me?

[mighty stump]

Immediate damage output

You're not setting up with this team

[dull ibex]

fair enough

[mighty stump]

No Fake Out pressure

No redirection

[dull ibex]

I wanted incin on this team tbh

was told to replace it with bolt

[mighty stump]

What does Bolt have to do with Incin

???

[dull ibex]

was told chi-yu and incin on the team is a no go

[mighty stump]

???

[dull ibex]

they didnt want me to double on fire dark, and bolt adds a way to deal with tornshifu

[mighty stump]

I get wanting to avoid type overlaps but who cares

[mighty stump]

stares at the Flutter Mane that can delete Urshifu through Tera

[dull ibex]

I tried to say it didnt matter on such an aggresive team

[mighty stump]

If they wanted to do that the smart thing would be trading Chi-Yu off lmaoo

[dull ibex]

I think they might have suggested that tbh

[nocturne holly]

woah the hoodra showdown sprite looks really good

[dull ibex]

but im not ditching chi-yu

[keen karma]

just went against fast koal

[dull ibex]

it enables alot of my team

https://pokepast.es/ff71b983b44c59ec this is closer to what I wanted

[mighty stump]

Does enabling your team for approximately 1.3x damage output while weakening it to one of the very things youre piloting outdo improving a matchup with the VGC swiss army knife poster boy

[dull ibex]

forget to add specs

https://pokepast.es/049dddf85c95d29d there we go

[bold geode]

Yeah no Chi Yu needs to go honestly

[dull ibex]

why?

[mighty stump]

It doesn't have to, just be aware if you';re not picking up a KO per turn or at least pressuring KOs every turn

You're losing

[dull ibex]

yeah that is usual for the teams I play lmao

this is designed to be generic hyper offense

[bold geode]

Just weakening everything in turn for weakening them

[mighty stump]

Yeah but "generic" hyper offensive can just be

Better

and not generic

it's stil Hyper Offense at least you have the option to outplay

[dull ibex]

do you think chi-yu being replaced would make the team better?

[mighty stump]

Significantly lol

[dull ibex]

alright

[mighty stump]

Provides a place for Raging Bolt

[bold geode]

Honestly Farigiraf too

[mighty stump]

Gives Fake Out pressure + Pivot Power if you want to run NPlot Gholdengo

That can actually take advantage of TW

[keen karma]

i think ill just try solo dozo

[dull ibex]

Do you think I need specs on mane?

[keen karma]

like idk what to do man

[dull ibex]

the original version of this team was wack lmao

I had walking wake over shifu

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/09e023d47b334bfc for the last slot was thinking about either tw speed control or another tr abuser

[dull ibex]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regfbo3-2014366293-k9k9xtw89rqy4z2iiiiyzt5nn4uv21tpw

[bold geode]

Also Red
Meta ain't established but if things keep going the way they are
I was right

[dull ibex]

meta isnt established for sure

anything can happen

[bold geode]

Yeah
But

[dull ibex]

whim being meta and the premier tailwind user is the only thing im confident on

[bold geode]

RN
Annihilape is HARD

[dull ibex]

I think ape is good but gambit will be the more used mon

[bold geode]

Nah bro
Like trust
I haven't used it but I've faced against it
Ape is a fucking menace

[mighty stump]

Someone actually executed an idea i wanted to commit

Dragon Tera Kingambit with Dragon Cheer support

in the Nino tour today

[dull ibex]

it still wont be as used as gambit

[keen karma]

i may try it

[dull ibex]

only because people know how to use kingambit

ape might be better in practice though

[bold geode]

People still use usual Ape set

[ember linden]

This Totodile outbreak is just not spawning bro I need to get this shiny so I can focus on reg-f

[bold geode]

But it's like
It makes Incin feel so fuckin dicey for me

[dull ibex]

is farig an option on this team?

tbh I would rather use that if it fills a better niche then bolt

[bold geode]

Yes
Blocks priority and can help against TR
Which are two things your team kinda hate

[dull ibex]

fuck it im down

[nocturne holly]

farig is hella fun rn

[bold geode]

Also Psychic Noise go hard

[nocturne holly]

fr

[dull ibex]

FUCK

[bold geode]

Like stopping Hands from using Drain Punch

[ember linden]

Tofu what is your Arch spread? I’m curious to see how close it is to mine

[nocturne holly]

anti prio

[mighty stump]

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 220 SpA / 28 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Flash Cannon
• Draco Meteor
• Thunderbolt
• Body Press

[dull ibex]

now im angy

[nocturne holly]

just less defense then ours vikx

[ember linden]

Grass over fairy?

I can see that

[mighty stump]

Yeah cause I don't want to suddenly turn neutral to the thing i'm trying to check

Idc about CC from Urshifu as much

[ember linden]

Ah

[mighty stump]

Once you get even 1 Stamina boost it doesn't matter

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/2b049080dd188a12 this look better

[smoky hawk]

You agree with electro shot in rain, right?

[mighty stump]

Barely

I still think it's bait

But thats the only place id use it

[ember linden]

That’s a good point

I’m changing it Sour

[mighty stump]

and id just go full on LO/Electro Shot/Even Tera Electric with Max Spe/Spa

[nocturne holly]

yea i did too

[mighty stump]

Grass also means you avoid being redirected by Amoonguss/Sinistcha so you can Body Press far more freely.

[dull ibex]

sorry if im a bit argumentive today btw

[nocturne holly]

farigiraf feels so fucking good

[bold geode]

Spread for Fari could be better, but Mon wise yeah

[dense warren]

Regigigas is busted as fuck

[bold geode]

Anyways work time so I'll catch y'all later

[dull ibex]

I like my giraffe spread tbh

[keen karma]

easy laddering with dozo

then ill test out my teams in high ladder

[mighty stump]

Why?

[dense warren]

3 moves is all it needs

[dull ibex]

no it is not

[mighty stump]

Is this a joke...?

[dense warren]

Double edge, sub, and protect

[dull ibex]

get luck using any of them

[nocturne holly]

i love busted things when theyre not even legal 🥰

[mighty stump]

...Right...okay

[smoky hawk]

How's it working with weezing?

[dense warren]

Double edge regigigas dominates so many people

[dull ibex]

in standards? 💀

[mighty stump]

Aside from needing to point out you get walled by Ghost-types

[dense warren]

Fuck weezing, I use regigigas in singles

[nocturne holly]

..

[dull ibex]

THATS WORSE

[mighty stump]

Well I kindly request if this is a joke to stop lol.

It's not funny, and blatantly untrue

[dull ibex]

this is just absurd

[smoky hawk]

Slow start regigigas? Sounds like it can't possibly work well. You need weezing

[dense warren]

Only peak competive players use regigigas in singles

[nocturne holly]

lmao

[mighty stump]

Do you want to stop?

[dull ibex]

only idiots* I fixed it

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5/fluttermane.png

[chrome knot]

ewwy why is it like that

[dull ibex]

how do you wait out slow start

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5/goodra-hisui.png

[dull ibex]

how do you not blow up to fighting

[mighty stump]

Why are you engaging?

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5/fluttermane.png

[dull ibex]

because its not a joke very obviously

[nocturne holly]

fr the old showdown sprite was peak

that flutter was actually cool

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1018: Archaludon

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Stamina, Sturdy, Stalwart (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/105/130/125/65/85

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[dull ibex]

maybe I should calc my farig

[nocturne holly]

YESSS LETS FUCKING GOOO
SABLEYE BOT IS UPDATED

[dull ibex]

🤔 ill figure that soon tm

[dense warren]

Not just that, you are faster than great tusk and can 2 tap great tusk once you get the sub down

[mighty stump]

Sableye bot is pretty spot on

[nocturne holly]

bet i need a spread too
what do i calc for

[dull ibex]

i dunno 🤣

[dense warren]

Regigigas truly is underrated in singles

[nocturne holly]

sableye bot is actually that guy

[ember linden]

What were you on about not self proccing stamina with glide??

[gentle crag]

⚠ Warned memeoverdoses

[nocturne holly]

what

[ember linden]

It does maximum 6% minumum 5%

[ember linden]

You said at first I wouldn’t self proc

[nocturne holly]

yea i realized after i fucking tried it lmao
it does so little

[ember linden]

Ah ok

[nocturne holly]

quad resist goes hard

[queen monolith]

Dragonite with a +atk nature and multi scale. What’s the best Tera for him? I don’t wanna go normal for e speed though

[ember linden]

5-6% for a +1 defense is worth

[mighty stump]

Alternatively you go Flying with Tera Blast.

[nocturne holly]

fr

[mighty stump]

But it's going to have to be Dragon Dance

[nocturne holly]

the self proc can be huge against a double protect for FO

[ember linden]

Mhm

[dense warren]

Got warned for what? Was just talking about how good regigigas is in competitive

[mighty stump]

For shitposting during relevant topic. Every player knows that either this is a really bad joke, or you're blatantly spreading misinformation.

Plus, I asked you to stop.

[queen monolith]

Just slap a galarian weezing with regigigas. No more slow start

[mighty stump]

So do you want to start an argument of which I don't have the patience for

Or do you want to actually attempt to engage with the channel appropriately.

[dense warren]

I did nothing wrong and was legit serious about regigigas and then get falsely warned

[mighty stump]

Sigh

[dull ibex]

just drop it so we can get back to helping people please

[dense warren]

Alr

[dull ibex]

I have not seen av dnite in a while, is that still really good?

[mighty stump]

• You genuinely are convinced about a bad set in singles while spreading false information
• Added no true justification that can even begin to be called a discussion.

[mighty stump]

Riley Factura ran it.

[dull ibex]

oh neat

[mighty stump]

Did pretty nicely

[next stump]

there were 2 AV d nites in top 8, good set

[mighty stump]

Justin Tang v Riley Factura was a good set

[dull ibex]

good to here band isnt overwhelmly better

[mighty stump]

No, people just tend to not stray from "established" sets

[dull ibex]

understandable tbh

I try not to as well

[mighty stump]

Which is fine, but I wouldn't discount past sets as options since AV Dnite is a previous Regulation set as well

[dense warren]

Usually, competive discussion is about all people discussing about competitive pokemon with all unique play styles, not always seen good in everyone's eyes but if it works well then it does depending how one plays it

[dull ibex]

for sure

[mighty stump]

And usually, in competitive discussion, some sets are outright bad, some facts need straightening out, and opinions can be wrong regardless of how one "pilots it"

[nocturne holly]

why does volcarona do so much damage bruh

[mighty stump]

There is an informational hierarchy that needs to be obeyed and anecdotal experience is at the bottom

[ember linden]

Because of its enormous sp.atk stat

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 637: Volcarona

Types

Bug/Fire

Abilities

Flame Body, Swarm (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/60/65/135/105/100

Total

550

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[nocturne holly]

damn didnt know it was base 135 lmao

its pretty fast too

[dense warren]

There was nothing bad about it tho, it was unique and works, not saying everyone should try it but it was a set that I used in singles that was pretty good

What is really good tho is loaded dice gyarados with moxie

[mighty stump]

Singles what? OU? BSS? You mentioned a set that';s outright walled by Ghost types and pretend like Regigigas can outspeed Great Tusk without considering Slow Start.

Yeah

Of course

[dense warren]

Thats why I run knock off for the ghost types

[dull ibex]

misread ignore me

[mighty stump]

• No addressing the format
• No addressing the ability point.

Go on

[dense warren]

That was a mistake then, I meant to add knock off as the fourth

[mighty stump]

.

[mighty stump]

Physically frail plus unfortunate typing

But after a Quiver Dance or two

Pretty nice, and can be pretty bulky

Since the HP + Def investments can do pretty nicely

Shame it's a little bit forgotten about cause it's coverage can become very lacking

[dense warren]

Also regigigas may be slower with slow start but gets helped by sub and protect, also can also use incineroar to drop the stats so it doesn't hit as hard to your sub

[dull ibex]

incin in singles? 💀

[dense warren]

Was having lots of fun with the return of incineroar

[dull ibex]

isnt volc really good?

[mighty stump]

You can't switch out because the Slow Start counter resets.

[mighty stump]

Its workable.

[fallen rivet]

Volc is good in singles iirc

[dull ibex]

fair

[dense warren]

It may not be able to use follow me effectively but it still got knock off, parting shot, taunt, and fake out to be a threat in singles

[dull ibex]

firstly incin is really bad in singles

[ember linden]

They mean rage powder

[dull ibex]

all of its value is doubles

if you want imtim its landorus in singles

[dense warren]

It may be overused in doubles but it does have its huge uses in singles

[dull ibex]

no it does not

its pretty mediocre in singles

its speed kills it in singles

[dense warren]

It takes care of threats like dragapult and ogerpon

[ember linden]

Not even scarf helps that speed

[dull ibex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/qt79ft/why_is_incineroar_so_good_in_vgc_but_not_singles/ since you dont seem like a troll

[dull ibex]

no man it doesnt

[dapper crag]

Volcarona [Bug/Fire]

Hits for 0.5x

Fire

Hits for 1x

Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Poison, Rock, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Bug, Dark, Grass, Ice, Psychic, Steel

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[dull ibex]

its far too slow to take care of pult or ogerpon

are you a new player?

not an insult just curious

[dense warren]

It may be slower but intimidate and parting shot runs both of them which allows to swap incineroar out to a counter

[dull ibex]

as a rule it might be fun for you and even work for you on ladders but that doesnt make it good or even viable

[dull ibex]

not addressing points correctly again I see

[dense warren]

Sounds a bit like a insult but been playing for a while

[dull ibex]

💀

what is a while

[dense warren]

Years

Since gen 5

[dull ibex]

incineroar doesnt hit hard to justify being slower then those mons

they just kill incin

regigigas is entirely unviable because of its awful ability, and incin is power crept into hell in singles

[dense warren]

Wym, never said incineroar was for offense

[dull ibex]

then its a dead slot in singles

[dense warren]

I use incineroar for utility

[dull ibex]

again if you want intim and pivot you run landorus

[ember linden]

Red is saying if it doesn’t hit hard being slow sucks

It is too damn slow to get those parting shots out effectively

[dense warren]

Only if I can show the plays I got with incineroar and regigigas

[ember linden]

You probably can’t because of how bad it is

[dull ibex]

firstly you can secondly I dont really care how well it works for you

I used samurott to get a few wins here and there in vgc

hamurott is really mid

anecdotal evidence isnt indicative of the meta

[dense warren]

So yall take about the meta in this chat?

[queen monolith]

Is a mamoswine viable in competitive?

[dull ibex]

yes usually we focus on good teams

to help people who take pokemon seriously

[ember linden]

I would say no

[dull ibex]

this chat is also primarily doubles

[queen monolith]

Dang

[dense warren]

You saying I run these guys for jokes?

[dull ibex]

im saying you are not as serious as others because you are so confident in garbage pokemon

[summer shore]

Hi chat what is going on

[queen monolith]

Grass ceruledge with shell bell and bitter blade decent?

[nocturne holly]

Regigigas and incineroar are apparently cracked in singles

[dull ibex]

memes is insisting incin and regigigas is good in singles

[ember linden]

Scroll😭. Tofu left for a reason I imagine.

[dense warren]

Talking competive and seems like it's not good enough for some standards

[dull ibex]

but also you were asked by helpers to drop the gigas talk

you are not a victim

[dense warren]

I did and yall continue to say I run a team compared to a newbie

[ember linden]

We are not hating we are trying to help dude

[summer shore]

Ok so im in an aram right now

Can we calm down til i finish

[mighty stump]

Okay so do the opposite so shiro cleans up my mess

[dull ibex]

I mean im kinda hating now that the victim card is being played

[queen monolith]

Is this decent?

[dull ibex]

I asked if you were new because not understanding the meta is usually a new player

[dense warren]

Never said I was a victim, I didn't say the fullset which made you guys assume

[dull ibex]

Im sorry if feeling were hurt im not trying to minimize your opinion in any way

[ember linden]

You want us to hate or not calm down

[mighty stump]

You're right. It isn't. You're not asking questions. You're not trying to learn, nor are you trying to discuss. No productive engagement has appeared since you came along spouting nonsense.

Especially continuing with the backtracking, non-clarification of previous points, and now playing a victim card.

[dense warren]

This was my fault

[mighty stump]

Plus, the attitude being displayed is highly inappropriate for any sort of "discussion" or "talk"

Clean up your act buddy cause its funnier than the joke you tried to pull miserably.

You got asked nicely after you derailed a relevant topic.

[whole fog]

Y'know I was half considering a Speed Boost Pass Scolipede, then I remembered they aren't in Paldea

[dull ibex]

based

[dense warren]

The fact that you saying I'm joking is not true, im serious and was just discussing about it

[ember linden]

You notice how not a single person thinks the same way?

[dull ibex]

also yeah derailing help is selfish tbh to fight with people

[mighty stump]

So either you're:

• A really bad troll
• A non-newbie with anecdotal experiences that derailed a topic with misinformation
• A newbie who wants to talk competitive but did it with a completely wrong approach that no-one in the channel has thus far appreciated

A, B or C

[dense warren]

Never said people to try out what I use, was talking about it with other competive players like you guys

[mighty stump]

Okay, so B

[dull ibex]

im happy this team works for you but its not cracked or good in anyway

it would be alot easier for all of us if you accepted that and just moved on

[mighty stump]

And simply just talking about something can potentially have a knock on effect where people believe what you're using and decide to use it. I'm not letting bad sets exist uncorrected.

[summer shore]

Guys can we chill til my aram is done im having a banger of a game rn

[dull ibex]

unfortunately no

[fallen rivet]

What’s Aram

[mighty stump]

Fine

[dull ibex]

all random all mid

[mighty stump]

All Random All Mid

[dull ibex]

its a gamemode in league

[fallen rivet]

O I see Ty

[chrome knot]

tofu

[dense warren]

Imma just drop this and continue using what team I got on now

[mighty stump]

Yes?

[chrome knot]

check ping in a sec

[mighty stump]

Okay.

[tired sage]

pong

[ember linden]

[dense warren]

What ya'll consider meta by any chance?

[dull ibex]

in the context of ou or bsS?

[dense warren]

Lets say OU singles

[dull ibex]

im sure shiro could help you more if you just wait a little bit 🙂

I know that gambit is a terror in singles

[summer shore]

Its just the nexus now

Please

[dense warren]

Not anymore, upper hand counters kingambit hard

[dull ibex]

we can only hope

[summer shore]

Sorry what

[queen monolith]

Is reshiram viable?

[willow vault]

Not legal

[dull ibex]

oop.

[dense warren]

Upper hand counters kimgambit completely

[summer shore]

Uh huh

[ember linden]

Erm

[queen monolith]

Dang

[dull ibex]

what if it lived upperhand

[dense warren]

Upper hand is priority flinch if they use a priority move

[dense warren]

It won't from hairyama

[dull ibex]

💀

[willow vault]

So pairing upper hand with gholdengo can protect it from a lot of chien pao?

[dense warren]

Blazekin too has upper hand

[dense warren]

Yes

Its also 60 base power

[summer shore]

ok my aram is done

you guys get me on a keyboard for once

[dense warren]

Lots of damage still to cien and king

[summer shore]

so could you explain to me what the generation's gimmick is

[willow vault]

60? That’s crazy, I don’t know how it could be playable against!!!

[ember linden]

One guy

[summer shore]

@dense warren

[dense warren]

For gen 9?

[summer shore]

yes

what is the gimmick

[dense warren]

Tera

[summer shore]

and what happens to be one of kingambit's best teras?

oh flying thats right

[dense warren]

Tera changes the typing of your pokemon to whatever you have it set to

[summer shore]

and wait a second

that means upper hand does fuck all

[chrome knot]

ruhroh

[dense warren]

Yes

[summer shore]

wow

[dense warren]

I'm using upper hand on sceptile and it destroys

[willow vault]

https://tenor.com/view/寵物小精靈-gif-21342892

[summer shore]

what's your elo rn?

[chrome knot]

2

[summer shore]

dont have to answer if you dont wanna

[willow vault]

1370, my best yet

[summer shore]

just wanna know

Nice crephace, keep working on it!

[chrome knot]

1438

[willow vault]

Thanks

[summer shore]

@dense warren How about you?

[fallen rivet]

1040 on doubles 💀

[summer shore]

in say, OU

[dense warren]

1220 since I just got back to Ou

[ember linden]

🗿

[summer shore]

what about peak OU elo?

[summer shore]

and could i ask, how many games have you played?

[bold geode]

Your ELO is 2?

[ember linden]

Bro mine is 3

[dense warren]

My peak was around 1400 but stopped since bax was hard to kill

[ember linden]

How about that

[chrome knot]

my on elo on reg e was in fhe 1400 monke i was pro

[willow vault]

Yo, that’s insanely high

[bold geode]

My shit 0 I'm cracked

[willow vault]

Nah, I don’t believe

0 is crazy

[summer shore]

hey guys, lets chill out for a second

im having a conversation here

[willow vault]

Ok

[summer shore]

thanks guys

[tired sage]

:0
dang

[summer shore]

meme?

[dense warren]

Pokemon Black 2, pokemon sword, pokemon Scarlet, and showdown

[mighty stump]

LOL

[summer shore]

No, like on showdown

[ember linden]

😭

[summer shore]

I've been playing since DPP though! Also played Emerald too!

[summer shore]

You said you were 1220, so how many games have you played for this elo?

[dense warren]

No shit never really kept check on how many battles I did

[summer shore]

Did you know that showdown conveniently keeps track of this?

Try /rank, its a pretty cool feature

[dense warren]

Never knew about that and im not capping

[queen monolith]

Pokémon black is amazing

[summer shore]

Well everyone learns something new everyday

[dense warren]

Driftveil city rocks hard

[summer shore]

You should try /rank!

[queen monolith]

Bro that stupid emolga

[dull ibex]

guys theres a conversation going on

[summer shore]

It works in any chat and it's clientside!

On showdown of course

[bold geode]

It's chill outside already I'm good

[summer shore]

Mon key

[bold geode]

Shi ro

Actually how are you today I didn't ask that

[summer shore]

While we wait for Meme to come back you guys can talk again

[summer shore]

Doing fine thanks

[fallen rivet]

Already said this but man I love Archaludon

[bold geode]

Ez rep
That's good

[willow vault]

I don’t

[fallen rivet]

Understandable

[dense warren]

It looks pretty even before I used the new team

[summer shore]

Do you mind sharing the exact figures?

[mighty stump]

Yet another dodged topic

[dense warren]

40/39

[summer shore]

So 79 games

At 1220?

[dense warren]

Yep

[summer shore]

Ok thanks for sharing

I'll return the favour

Let me go find some of my alts

[dense warren]

My old team was me using lilligant

[bold geode]

Only thing I dodge is women apparently

[dull ibex]

is this all of your games on showdown? meme

[mighty stump]

What happened to the concept of time and place

[bold geode]

Gone

[mighty stump]

Do you want to change your answer

[summer shore]

So the account that I messed around a bit on:

[dense warren]

I play UU, Ou, ubers, and national dex

[summer shore]

usghoasdg

[Gen 9] OU 1251 65.3% 1622 ± 78 11 3 14

[willow vault]

Oh nice

[summer shore]

been having some decent fun with the new stuff

[bold geode]

The alt name?

[dense warren]

Ubers is no cap bad

[dull ibex]

roughly how many do you have total over the years?

[summer shore]

Tofu, do you happen to remember any of my alts?

[willow vault]

I also do the same thing partially because I can never remember passwords lmao

[summer shore]

Ah, here's a decayed account!

User: yahalo olahay
Format Elo GXE Glicko-1 W L Total
[Gen 9] OU 1438 73.7% 1698 ± 66 21 4 25

User: eloman 2099
Format Elo GXE Glicko-1 W L Total
[Gen 9] OU 1657 70.8% 1668 ± 32 77 44 121

Here's another for fun account!

[mighty stump]

I have mine saved on a document, do you think I have good memory

[dense warren]

For elo or W?

[dull ibex]

just in general

win loss I dont care

[summer shore]

This account was in fact in 1800s at its peak before I got bored of using a cheap team!

[ember linden]

🤦‍♂️

[nocturne holly]

Is this still going on

[summer shore]

Anyways, enough of my stats

[dull ibex]

im allowed to ask questions.

[summer shore]

The point I'm trying to get at is

[dense warren]

Honestly, I can see my old data

[willow vault]

What’s a good setup sweeper, other than gholdengo?

[dense warren]

Maybe its because I changed the name

[mighty stump]

Roaring Moon.

[summer shore]

To be able to provide statements regarding a metagame, you need to have both a sufficiently large number of games played IN THAT FORMAT, alongside a strong elo

[willow vault]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

crephace has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

Or if you want to be different, you can try Lando-I

[summer shore]

Along with a good win loss

[dull ibex]

rough estimate i just want to know

[tired sage]

gambit also works…
but you won’t be able to get too much setup options

[willow vault]

Already was theory crafting it

[summer shore]

The point that the other members in this channel were trying to convey was

[mighty stump]

Nplot/Protect/Sandsear + Sludge Bomb

[dense warren]

Got my old data

[mighty stump]

I ran Sitrus at the time

Life Orb can be nice as +2 Sandsear fails to OHKO Hands

[willow vault]

Interesting

[summer shore]

If you aren't exactly very experienced, or well-versed in competitive mons, you need to approach the game with an open mind

[mighty stump]

But that can be mitigated with Helping Hand support.

[dense warren]

293 W/303 loses Ou

[summer shore]

Especially when it comes to the advice of people more experienced

[dense warren]

This was with my old account

[dull ibex]

that is not alot, alright fair enough

[mighty stump]

Shiro words things so nicely

[summer shore]

In this case, said experienced people would be Tofu for VGC, and myself for OU.

[willow vault]

Truly

[dull ibex]

dude my account is over 1k its nuts

[summer shore]

Obviously, everyone is entitled to say what they want, and have their own opinions

[willow vault]

Damn

[summer shore]

However, its critical to be flexible when it comes to said opinions

[dense warren]

425 W and loses on national dex

[willow vault]

That makes me feel like 500 is more reasonable

[summer shore]

And understand when you're most likely in the wrong AND use that for an opportunity to learn and improve

[mighty stump]

Me with over 5000+ be like

[dull ibex]

im a vgc addict

oh dude showdown is not where most my playtime is creph lmao

[summer shore]

I hope you've given what I just said a little bit of a read

Meme

🙂

[willow vault]

I’m glad that you help out with knowledge on vgc, because that’s a lot

[dense warren]

Can't I just send a picture of my W and Ls?

[summer shore]

Can I get an acknowledgement?

[willow vault]

Oh no…

[fallen rivet]

This is good life advice in general tbh

[dull ibex]

I have around 700 hours in violet 60 of that is pve, 800 swsh, 20 of that is pve I think

[willow vault]

Impressive

[dense warren]

Should I?

[dull ibex]

maybe 80, 40

[dense warren]

I have no shame to hide anything

[willow vault]

Thoughts on table tennis?

[summer shore]

I have enough patience left in me to go back and compile my messages

[dull ibex]

I like to think im also a vgc vet 🙂

[mighty stump]

Shame has nothing to do whether or not your opinion has weight to it.

[dull ibex]

tofu and shiro absolutely have much more informed opinions though

[fallen rivet]

I am not sure how to play tennis with a table

[willow vault]

I’m comfortable in the knowledge I have no life, but I’m new to the scene

[mighty stump]

And in fact does not improve any of your stances.

[dense warren]

So you want the data of the w and loses?

[mighty stump]

So let me reword what Shiro painstakingly wrote out

[summer shore]

The point I'm trying to get at is
To be able to provide statements regarding a metagame, you need to have both a sufficiently large number of games played IN THAT FORMAT, alongside a strong elo
Along with a good win loss
The point that the other members in this channel were trying to convey was
If you aren't exactly very experienced, or well-versed in competitive mons, you need to approach the game with an open mind
Especially when it comes to the advice of people more experienced
In this case, said experienced people would be Tofu for VGC, and myself for OU.
Obviously, everyone is entitled to say what they want, and have their own opinions
However, its critical to be flexible when it comes to said opinions
And understand when you're most likely in the wrong AND use that for an opportunity to learn and improve

[dense warren]

I thought we dropped this?

[summer shore]

@dense warren

Please give this a read

[mighty stump]

Shut the fuck up and listen to your betters before spouting absolute nonsense

[summer shore]

and could you let me know that you acknowledge what I've said?

[mighty stump]

Sweet and simple

and stop ruining my channel

[dull ibex]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[summer shore]

Guys

Not yet!

[mighty stump]

Not yet for you maybe

I hate trolls

[dense warren]

I get this but just want to send for you guys to share your opinion on my stats

[mighty stump]

You’re just disregarding them.

[ember linden]

Maybe say that?

[dull ibex]

I-

[mighty stump]

0 acknowledgement.

Is it time yet shiro

[dull ibex]

your win loss indicates you arent as good as you think you are

[summer shore]

😅

[dull ibex]

sorry. im losing my pantience a little

[dense warren]

I get im not good but I just want to send my W and loses

[dull ibex]

then send them!

[ember linden]

I’m just going to keep quiet 🤦‍♂️

[summer shore]

Haha, civility certainly is quite tough

[mighty stump]

No, don’t bother. This joke of a conversation is done

[dense warren]

Just wanted to send this

[mighty stump]

Oh, you bothered

And it’s all incredibly irrelevant

and worse than I thought

You had the fucking balls to actually have an attitude with those stats?

[summer shore]

It seems you could certainly benefit from listening to the advice of more experienced, more skilled players!

[mighty stump]

I’m going back to Item Printing

Have fun being civil shiro

[summer shore]

Since you acknowledged what I said previously, I hope moving forward, you approach chatting in this channel with a more open mind, Meme.

[dull ibex]

have fun tofu!

[dense warren]

Shiro so far be the most respectful one here

[dull ibex]

wow.

[mighty stump]

Since you acknowledged what Shiro previously said, I hope moving forward you do not return to this channel at all

[dull ibex]

why the insults?

[mighty stump]

And so you can fuck yourself and your substandard stats

[mighty stump]

Let em

[ember linden]

We love Tofu here

[mighty stump]

Gives me a funny story to tell later

[summer shore]

Now onto some actual seriousness, if there is any more issues coming from attitude and what not, given that you've been warned, there will be moderation action taken @dense warren

[willow vault]

I’m building a fun team which is not the best team I’ve ever built but I want to enjoy playing around a hundred games in the next few days

[dense warren]

Never insulted, just wanted to send and share

[summer shore]

Is this understood?

[mighty stump]

Your stats are an insult to any good player

[bold geode]

We done with the one topic yet

[dense warren]

Yes

[mighty stump]

So good job

Don’t send them again

[dull ibex]

can we stop asking if the topic is done?

[bold geode]

I just wanna know so I know if I can come back

[ember linden]

Alright guys, we can all agree Ursaluna Bloodmoon reg-e was the most cancer shit to play against?

[summer shore]

Perfect! I'll be keeping a close eye, so hopefully our next conversation can be much less controversial and much more constructive!

NOW THE TOPIC IS DONE

DROP THE TOPIC

THANK YOU

[mighty stump]

Bye Shiro

[dense warren]

Sometimes it can be

[fallen rivet]

Thank you!

[smoky hawk]

Is stamina archaludon survivability off the charts or what? Anybody tried it?

[mighty stump]

Hit top 10 early ladder with it so yeah

[ember linden]

Yeah it’s fucking crazy

[fallen rivet]

I find it nice to switch into an obvious fake out

[mighty stump]

In Nino ladder tour it took 20 from a Flare Blitz after Tera Geass

[dull ibex]

that being said memeoverdose if you ever decide to play vgc I can attempt to help you

[fallen rivet]

But idk if that’s optimal

[mighty stump]

It is in fact, optimal

so good job

[fallen rivet]

Yay!

[willow vault]

Anyone have a alolan ninetales spread, namely bulky doesn’t have to hit super hard

[dense warren]

Alr

[dull ibex]

OH TOFU I DID A GOOD THING

i played well

[nocturne holly]

What ball for shiny archaludon

[willow vault]

Nice

[dull ibex]

I was swapping mons for immunity it was crazy

[mighty stump]

Good job

[willow vault]

Oh damn

[fallen rivet]

I just did quick ball, but beast ball is cool

[dull ibex]

he used hammer arm into ghold? so i swapped mane

then he tried to use zen headbutt on mane so i swapped into incin

I was like playing the game its crazy LMAO

[nocturne holly]

nice!

[smoky hawk]

Lol. And imagine partnered with a healer like amoonguss

[mighty stump]

I had Sinistcha since there was pivot power

[nocturne holly]

Isn’t dengo immune to hammer arm already
Or was it post Tera

[fallen rivet]

Ok gtg

[mighty stump]

• potential slowmode is really necessary

[dull ibex]

oh nvm it was hammer on incin

[nocturne holly]

Nice!

[dense warren]

I wonder if there's a chat to battle other players?

[smoky hawk]

Thats a good idea. Capability for TR too

[dull ibex]

I think we have one

[dense warren]

Wanna play a match on showdown?

[dull ibex]

if its not doubles? no

[dense warren]

I could possibly do doubles

[dull ibex]

I have some second hand knowledge of ou but im not an ou played myself

[dense warren]

Just got to make a new team

[dull ibex]

well find a team then ill do a bo3

[dense warren]

Bo3?

[dull ibex]

Best of 3

[dense warren]

Cool

Brb

Got the team done

[quaint willow]

Does anyone have a whimsicott set? Currently mine jst works to be faster than tornadus.
Whimsicott @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 4 SpA / 28 SpD / 220 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Encore
• Protect
• Moonblast
• Tailwind

[chrome knot]

fake tears

[tired sage]

:0

fake tears dragon energy :0

[quaint willow]

What gave the regidrago core away XD

[keen karma]

we don't know your team

[ember linden]

That was just coincidentally brought up

[tired sage]

honestly, nothing xD
it was the first thing that popped into my head when emmie said fake tears (and its a prankster mon)

[summer shore]

anyhow guys

lets talk Gouging Fire

[ember linden]

Oh shit Shiro’s back

[quaint willow]

Haha

[summer shore]

i never left

[tired sage]

tbf drago core is good :3

[ember linden]

[quaint willow]

https://pokepast.es/9a861d637d185ffc

[tired sage]

if you're running covert then i dont think you would need tera ghost on whimsy... (but thats just my opinion)

[autumn vault]

Why dont you have sash for whimsicott and covert on it?

[ember linden]

I’d only using Gouging Fire if its signature was actually protect but with burn on physical attackers if they hit it

[dense warren]

Good yet gets kinda walled by primarina

[summer shore]

Shame vgc cant facilitate dd

[ember linden]

I know it’s good but I don’t care to try it rn

[molten oasis]

What’s happening today

[autumn vault]

We were reviewing someones team

[autumn vault]

Here it is

[quaint willow]

Ah ic

I havent rly used her much so not much action for her

[molten oasis]

Don’t do stellar Tera on Regidrago

[quaint willow]

Aite

[dense warren]

Stellar imo isn't great unless its on terapagos

[molten oasis]

I really only think you do stellar if you have 3 or 4 different move types

[quaint willow]

Oh ic

[molten oasis]

Porygon Z also likes stellar

[tired sage]

shes better off with sash and tera ghost cause shes really fragile and precious

[quaint willow]

Aite noted

[fallen rivet]

I’m thinking about switching my flutter for a Primarina on a rain version of an Archaludon team. Any set recommendations?

[dense warren]

Yes but the other thousand pokemon can't use it as well as those two

[quaint willow]

Cause i saw quite alot of spread moves. Hence i went with the next best thing imo which was cloak since i wld rather not burn the ghost tera

[ember linden]

Flare Blitz Dragon Claw DD protect would be a cool Gouging Fire set

[tired sage]

shes really fragile which sucks but...
with prankster and a plethora of moves that can benefit ig its a trade off...

[molten oasis]

Real

[tired sage]

DD is dragon dance right-?

[fallen rivet]

Ye

[ember linden]

Correct

[dense warren]

Yes

[molten oasis]

This is the set you should use imo

[quaint willow]

Ye i realised haha, 3/4 hp and a dnite tera w e spd 1-shotted it

[fallen rivet]

I tried a gouging fire with scale shot. It did not work

[tired sage]

idk why but whenever i see dd i think dd lariat
darkest lariat

[quaint willow]

So if sash i assume 252 SpA and 252 Spe?

[fallen rivet]

Drago do you have any good Primarina sets

[tired sage]

well...
still trying to figure out the spreads myself but i know for a fact its 252+ Spe

[ember linden]

Sash Urshi might be the play now with bolt running around

[molten oasis]

Gimme a minute I gotta work, I’ll send you one

[fallen rivet]

Oh you’re good dw

[molten oasis]

Ok

Primarina @ Life Orb
Ability: Liquid Voice
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 204 HP / 92 Def / 212 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Hyper Voice
• Ice Beam
• Protect

[autumn vault]

Urshi might need sash for raging bolt

[dense warren]

Sceptile with now Shedtail be a nice buff but wished it got more special coverage

[fallen rivet]

Thanks!

[gentle crag]

wafflefries.787b has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[molten oasis]

This should live more grassy glides from rillaboom

[quaint willow]

ic

[dense warren]

Tera dragon?

[ember linden]

I just said that Zekrom

[molten oasis]

I like it here for Prima

[dense warren]

Oh

[molten oasis]

You’re not gonna Tera Prima often in the first place

[tired sage]

wheres that heal block-

[molten oasis]

And I wanted a grass and electric resist without keeping poison

[molten oasis]

I think ice been is good here to hit opposing grass for se

[tired sage]

yeah thats fair

ooo LO instead of throat spray

[molten oasis]

Also good for torn

Yes cuz I think throat spray is eh

I’ll be back

[dense warren]

Opinions of sceptile set
Sceptile @ Petaya Berry
Ability: Unburden
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Endure
• Focus Blast
• Giga Drain
• Tera Blast

[autumn vault]

Endure!? That is so useless

[ember linden]

Is this singles?

[tired sage]

okay okay but if you really don’t wanna deal with torn just use this-

Regieleki @ Choice Band
Ability: Transistor
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 SpA

• Wild Charge
• Supercell Slam
• Extreme Speed
• Explosion

[bold geode]

Ice been?

[ember linden]

Supercell slam is ass

[bold geode]

Who Ice and what he been doing

[dense warren]

Can be used for both

[bold geode]

No........

[ember linden]

Can and should are two different things

[dense warren]

Not good for doubles then?

[bold geode]

Singles and doubles are like
Two completely different games

[summer shore]

@bold geode

https://pokepast.es/87bd1d6b2c0404e5

go monke go

ou time

[tired sage]

well its an electric physical move regardless xD

[summer shore]

i quite like this team

unsure if itll be good tho

[dense warren]

Sceptile set for doubles
Sceptile @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Unburden
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Detect
• Upper Hand
• Shed Tail
• Helping Hand

Opinions?

[ember linden]

Upper Hand is without a doubt going to be rather mid

Shed tail is mid

[tired sage]

itll be good for saying fk you to incin with fake out xD

[dense warren]

Its more for protecting pokemon from priority

[fallen rivet]

Me likey

[summer shore]

Its a 50/50 at best with ots

[tired sage]

yeah thats fair

[bold geode]

Where monkey

[dense warren]

Anyone want to do a singles match or everyone here only do doubles?

[summer shore]

No monke just play

[tired sage]

oooo flame gets heat crash that'll be interesting

[bold geode]

But monkey like Subway Surfers
Can't concentrate without

[fallen rivet]

Lul

[summer shore]

Play + surfer

[bold geode]

It's ok I'll just play monkey trap beat while ladder

[summer shore]

You literally have subway surfer in the team

💀

[fallen rivet]

Lul

[bold geode]

True though damn

[summer shore]

I really like serp

Excellent mon rn

Idk what ev spread to do tho

So just made sth random

[fallen rivet]

Serp my beloved

[dense warren]

Stellar serperior is so strong

[tired sage]

stellar with tera blast on snek looks really fun to use

[dense warren]

It is and you get the boost too

[fallen rivet]

I’ve used it for Tera raids, it’s pretty good

[ember linden]

Leaf storm for shed tail and change 252 atk to 252 sp. atk

Sceptile in general is really bad

[dense warren]

Only if my favorite pokemon had special coverage

[ember linden]

It’ll need something like a seed for easy unburden proc

[dense warren]

If sceptile had sludge bomb