competitive_discussion

[mighty stump]

And you can definitely offensively pressure and ramp well

So its an option

So im not gonna say its outright trash but it can definitely be bait

[dull ibex]

Ill try it in rain when we get kyogre back tbh

[mighty stump]

Either u gotta run Pelipper/Politoed and power up opposing Urshifu

or you run Torn and have to manually set and that comes witb its own challenges

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2012737446\

[dull ibex]

fair

[nocturne holly]

Psychic fangs or zen headbutt on metagross?

[dull ibex]

I dont run either tbh

wait I can do wp shit

[nocturne holly]

what do you run then

no psychic stab?

[dull ibex]

it was like ironhead tantrum bullet protect

[nocturne holly]

I’m doing av

[dull ibex]

or something I remember meta not running psychic

AV is a choice

[molten oasis]

It’s good lol

[nocturne holly]

Meteor mash+stomping tantrum on gross?
If meteor misses I can go for double power tantrum

[dapper crag]

Metagross [Steel/Psychic]

Immune

Poison

Resists (0.25x)

Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Grass, Ice, Normal, Rock, Steel

Neutral damage

Bug, Electric, Fighting, Water

Weak (2x)

Dark, Fire, Ghost, Ground

Type Notes

Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[nocturne holly]

what Tera in metagross
I’m thinking water

[willow vault]

That makes sense, dragon could also work

[nocturne holly]

👀 Metagross @ Assault Vest
Ability: Clear Body
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 180 HP / 252 Atk / 76 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Bullet Punch
• Iron Head
• Psychic Fangs
• Stomping Tantrum

https://pokepast.es/cc5f66c45b36402d what I have so far

I’m thinking bout adding rilla
then shifu would complete fwg core and psychic dark fighting core

[autumn vault]

why do people think flutter mane is not toxic meta? in reg B everything was about that long haired thing and c did not help, d and e did do something about it but its still dominant, its healthier than urshifu that is for sure

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/b4fa0d9bea430c83

[amber patrol]

Are we allowed to talk about new pokemon here?

[nocturne holly]

Yea

[amber patrol]

What's a good archaludon build?

[mighty stump]

No real point in thinking whether or not something is toxic for the metagame or not and just gotta find workarounds. It has its answers available and counterpla.

Pokemon doesn’t do balance patches anyways

Just gotta work with the hand we’re dealt

[dull ibex]

also what makes something toxic exactly?

[molten oasis]

Fickle beam is the funniest thing ever https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2012757280-uwa06xsy7lawl8jps7jf8lvv9bkrq2vpw

I love this move it’s so dumb

[nocturne holly]

I should’ve gotten scarlet

the paradoxes are so much fucking cooler

gouging flame is fucking fire

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[dull ibex]

ha buyer's remorse couldn't be me

[nocturne holly]

hah you don’t have the dlc

[dull ibex]

I saved 35 dollars

I won here

[cyan smelt]

L

[dull ibex]

I get everything for free L+Ratio

[karmic temple]

Hydrapple is such a funny pokemon

[dull ibex]

so you are implying I do?

Imagine stepping to someone and fumbling a joke that badly

yeah get rekt child

[nocturne holly]

imagine being so delusional that you have to talk to yourself

[molten oasis]

🤝

[willow vault]

No

[dull ibex]

bro are you new to trolling

[willow vault]

No

[dull ibex]

you are super bad at it

[nocturne holly]

trolling what?

[willow vault]

Indeed

[nocturne holly]

give me a fucking break I was putting something in the microwave

[dull ibex]

anyways I can touch grass with the 35 dollars I saved

[cyan smelt]

wow 35 whole dollars

[dull ibex]

absolutely not, do better

[nocturne holly]

Real

[dull ibex]

that is alot tbf

[willow vault]

I also can touch grass

[dull ibex]

thats a whole meal or two

depending on where I eat

[nocturne holly]

Go home
say something else other than who are you bet you won’t

[willow vault]

Mate that’s like a months worth of food

[dull ibex]

Atleast I have more jokes then Go Home

I just clowned on you for five minutes

go ahead say something other than I dont get bitches

[willow vault]

I like cheese

[dull ibex]

what kind?

[willow vault]

Favourite is probably gouda

[dull ibex]

sounds pretty cheesy

[willow vault]

Indeed

[dull ibex]

sounding like that joke wasnt very gouda

[willow vault]

You’re favourite type of cheese?

[dull ibex]

nacho cheese

and american

[willow vault]

American cheese?

[dull ibex]

yes

[willow vault]

I forgot it existed ngl

[hardy whale]

Is heavy metal better than light met? I saw something said about light metal gives more speed but I don't see a different when swapping abilities

[dull ibex]

the only kind that belongs on burgers tbh

[willow vault]

You a menace

[dull ibex]

why am I menace most people agree

[willow vault]

It’s plastic lad

[dull ibex]

im not a menace for a cold take

[mighty stump]

No, Light Metal and Heavy Metal only affects weight

[dull ibex]

sure it is

[mighty stump]

It has no bearing on the speed stat

[willow vault]

Well each to there own I guess

[nocturne holly]

shut up
you don’t have two shiny beldum

I’m the real winner here tbh

fucking autocorrect

[dull ibex]

oh look a different joke congratulations, also look another fumble

[willow vault]

I don’t have 2 shiny beldum, I have no life top that.

[dull ibex]

imagine needing two

[nocturne holly]

Oh wow
You made the same joke twice

[dull ibex]

you said go home atleast twice

[nocturne holly]

Real
give me all your fucking money now

[willow vault]

Thoughts on Russian Potato Salad?

[dull ibex]

I think it should slow down

[willow vault]

I’m a student I’m broke

[nocturne holly]

potato salad 🤮🐸

[willow vault]

Ok

[cyan smelt]

chicken salad

[willow vault]

That’s a great food

[nocturne holly]

ok time to cook https://pokepast.es/b4fa0d9bea430c83

what do I add

[willow vault]

Does Urshifu resist ground?

If not then another ground resist would help

[amber patrol]

What should I run on a Blastoise?

[willow vault]

A dragon type would help with your fire type matchup

Maybe a follow me mon?

[amber patrol]

I hate having to make my own builds without pikalytics

[willow vault]

Is it for vgc?

[amber patrol]

Indigo disk, so I guess since it's mostly double battles

[mighty stump]

You’d probably run White Herb Shell Smash

Flash Cannon/Hydro Pump/+1

[next stump]

san antonio stream live in like 1.5 hours

[mighty stump]

Be it protect or coverage and Shell Smash

[nocturne holly]

Why do I need ground resist? Shifu and rilla handle that well

[mighty stump]

Real

[willow vault]

It’s just a really good offensive typing

[amber patrol]

Can Metagross learn trick room?

Damn

Don't think any of my planned team can learn trick room

[willow vault]

Also both metagross and Incineroar don’t like ground

[willow vault]

What was the team

[nocturne holly]

I have shifu and rilla for that

[willow vault]

Alright

[cyan smelt]

do you also have dlc

[willow vault]

Yeah

[amber patrol]

Metagross, Blastoise, archaludon, rhydon (Eviolite), flygon, electivire

[nocturne holly]

I think Zapdos would be kinda good
Speed control

or moon

I don’t wanna use moon again

[willow vault]

I like salamence personally

[mighty stump]

Id rather run Rhyperior with a real item tbh

[cyan smelt]

use whimsicott

[mighty stump]

As things go most of the time Eviolite mons end up having comparable bulk to their evolution

[amber patrol]

It's only for the indigo disk though, so I'm just gonna use stuff I like

[mighty stump]

Right. . .

[amber patrol]

Damn, none of my team can learn it

[mighty stump]

Gets E-Web now

[amber patrol]

Now I have to actually think

[willow vault]

Oh, very nice

[mighty stump]

Kinda huge

[willow vault]

I’m currently looking into using iron hands, the new electric move looks really interesting

[mighty stump]

In the most genuine sense, if the team is level 100 even if theyre “slow” theyll be outspeeding the PvE content

[mighty stump]

Its ass

[nocturne holly]

Yea that’s what I’m thinking
how would I ev it

[mighty stump]

Hit it into protect and you lose 50% of your HP

[willow vault]

Into protect you lose 50%???

[nocturne holly]

what’s the new electric move

[mighty stump]

Or if you miss

[willow vault]

Heck no

[mighty stump]

Or if you hit a ground type

[cyan smelt]

supercell slam

[amber patrol]

I mean still, I don't just wanna 252 31 everything, I wanna build an actual team

[nocturne holly]

Yea if you miss or on ground types

what’s it called

[cyan smelt]

supercell slam

[willow vault]

I knew that, just not the protect stuff

[nocturne holly]

it’s only 100bp L

[willow vault]

That’s kinda mad

[mighty stump]

Its like High Jump Kick

[nocturne holly]

worse high jump kick in every way

[willow vault]

Welp back to Incineroar I go 😭

[nocturne holly]

how do I ev Zapdos

[willow vault]

No idea

[mighty stump]

Fat

Just have a minimum speed tier you wanna outspeed

and try not to die to moonblast or sm

or banded rock slide

[amber patrol]

As much as I love electivire I might swap it out for something with trick room honestly

[nocturne holly]

showdown hasn’t updated Zapdos getting e web

[mighty stump]

Has someone checked the TMs? It should have

Unless I was given wrong info

[willow vault]

I will say, I like the rillaboom, Incineroar combo, pretty much invalidates psy spam

[mighty stump]

If it doesn’t, back on the shelf it goes

[nocturne holly]

I’ve heard other people say it gets e web

[mighty stump]

Same

[amber patrol]

Wait, what happens if you use rest with vital spirit?

[mighty stump]

Fails.

[amber patrol]

Damn

[nocturne holly]

Whimsicott is also an option….

[amber patrol]

Yeah I'm sadly gonna have to get rid of electivire :(

[nocturne holly]

fuck you autocorrect

[willow vault]

It’s quite whimsical, I must say

[mighty stump]

No you don’t, just run what you like in PvE

None of those want to be in TR anw

[nocturne holly]

Fr

[amber patrol]

Ok, but it is genuinely terrible 😭

[mighty stump]

At least it’s not comp

[nocturne holly]

tofu what shou,d I try to get metagross to outspeed in tw

[amber patrol]

I'll see if there's anything else I wanna use

[mighty stump]

Theres no point in suffering making comp related stuff for PvE cause its as free as you can get in PvE content so i’d milk it as much as possible

[willow vault]

Alright here the current idea, Incineroar + Ogerpon(Wellspring) + Gholdengo and Salamence

[mighty stump]

That’s what I did

[mighty stump]

Chi-Yu at least

[cyan smelt]

i guess parting shot fails on gholdengo

[nocturne holly]

What can I do to it in return tho

[willow vault]

I think so

[nocturne holly]

Scarfed?

[mighty stump]

Ground move

[nocturne holly]

no spe investment speed creeps in tailwind

[mighty stump]

Egh, I guess

[nocturne holly]

-calc 167*1.5

[gentle crag]

Result: 250.500000

[mighty stump]

Go 126

[nocturne holly]

Max spe doesn’t even hit it
You’d have to do like timid

[bold geode]

Hey Tofu do you happen to have the pairings for SA?

[nocturne holly]

252+ Atk Metagross Bullet Punch vs. 212 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane: 102-122 (64.9 - 77.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

RIP

doesn’t ohko

Aqua jet should ohko tho

[amber patrol]

I might run reuniclis for trick room

[willow vault]

Go for it

[amber patrol]

Now I don't have to think about builds

[nocturne holly]

36 SpA Flutter Mane Shadow Ball vs. 180 HP / 76 SpD Assault Vest Metagross: 84-98 (47.1 - 55%) -- 64.8% chance to 2HKO

[amber patrol]

Unfortunately I now have the problem of shiny hunting things with a 0 speed IV

[tiny peak]

Can anyone help me with my team?

[mighty stump]

36 modest specs

[willow vault]

I like this emote, it’s funny

[tiny peak]

I'm building a team with corviknight and rayquaza can some one help me? Best I've come up with is corviknight/rayquaza/zacian/swampert/miraidon/heat rotom

[mighty stump]

That's not a relevant team. Some of those mons are restricted.

[nocturne holly]

36 SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Shadow Ball vs. 180 HP / 76 SpD Assault Vest Metagross: 120-144 (67.4 - 80.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[tiny peak]

I'm asking for casual switch battles

Don't care if it's relevant just looking to have fun but also be consistent at the least

[mighty stump]

Modest

[amber patrol]

Regenerator trick room reuniclis gonna go crazy

[mighty stump]

I'm sorry, I only really do advising for competitive related content. Plus, I do not have sets for those Pokemon.

You can probably just lift random sets from Pikalytics in the past

And find success because its Casual.

[willow vault]

I did not realise that hydrapple got regenerator, that’s really cool

[nocturne holly]

36+ SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Shadow Ball vs. 180 HP / 76 SpD Assault Vest Metagross: 134-158 (75.2 - 88.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[mighty stump]

Okay, now maximise it to 252 Timid

[willow vault]

Tofu, what attacking moves would you run on a special attacking Salamence?

[nocturne holly]

252 SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Shadow Ball vs. 180 HP / 76 SpD Assault Vest Metagross: 140-168 (78.6 - 94.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[mighty stump]

Nice

Now check Specs Chi-Yu

[nocturne holly]

Hurricane/air slash
Draco meteor

[mighty stump]

Draco + Slash

[willow vault]

Thanks

[nocturne holly]

Everything but heat wave ohkoes
heat wave is 62.5% to ohko

[mighty stump]

Hm

Okay

[nocturne holly]

So thoughts on the spread?

also stomping misses the ohko on max max chi yu

[mighty stump]

What did you calc for again?

[nocturne holly]

Mostly just mane

[amber patrol]

Should I run archaludon as a trick room pkm or nah

[mighty stump]

Not really necessary.

[amber patrol]

Alright, gonna pair well with Blastoise cuz rain dance

[mighty stump]

Blastoise needs to be faster than Archaludon to do that.

[amber patrol]

Shell smash+252 speed

I plan on doing 252 sp attack/attack and 252 defense on Metagross and archaludon

[autumn vault]

Metagross should have more usage which i like because its shiny is so good

[amber patrol]

That's my team (yeah I laid it out on a WhatsApp group with just me in it)

I've been spelling reuniclus wrong

[molten oasis]

So did some more testing, I don’t think tr mode is very consistent

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/b4fa0d9bea430c83 what speed control would work for this
I don’t wanna do zapdos lol

[molten oasis]

Mm well I think it’s more theres not much I can do when tr ends

Kinda just considering doing something else

[tiny peak]

Anyone good in casuals that can help my team?

[keen karma]

Something i just had in mind was lillikoal psyspam walking wake

[hardy parcel]

guys what is the HIGHEST amount of sp atk stat that anyone has ever gotten

[molten oasis]

Yea honestly I think I could play Hydrapple in just a balance team

[nocturne holly]

drago you think hydrapple would work on my team https://pokepast.es/b4fa0d9bea430c83
Actually I don’t like the double grass

it’s another ground resist

[molten oasis]

Double grass is fine

You’re not adding another fire weakness at least

[nocturne holly]

what does hydrapple add tho

ig it would work tbh
Then I just need speed control

[feral ledge]

https://pokepast.es/88062a3fb704be2b

My first reg F team for consideration!

[nocturne holly]

I have av on meta gross tho

[feral ledge]

Still not sold on Swampert, I like it because it’s stat totals are basically Arcanine’s with better resistances

[versed linden]

Did Feraligatr get buffed...?

[autumn vault]

Hey guys! So i want to build a good hydrapple and i have a great idea for its item and ev's but i am very conflicted with its moves, mine knows
Protect
Fickle beam
Energy ball
Syrup bomb
I want to fit breaking swipe in its moveset but idk which move to replace, can someone pls give me advice if i should forget or not replace any move

[autumn vault]

No, i dont think so

[mighty stump]

Arcanine is physically bulkier due to access to Intimidate by extension

So it's not really comparable

Swampert is pretty bad

[feral ledge]

My other option was Metagross because of Clear Body and its monster attack and defense stats

[mighty stump]

More likely to be viable. What is the rest of the team?

[versed linden]

Ah, guess I'll improvise

[feral ledge]

https://pokepast.es/0a4d1a9e9e1243a8

I switched swampert for Metagross

[dull ibex]

bruh I just lost both games of this board game i played 😔

[autumn vault]

Hey guys i have a question regarding hydrapplin, i want it to be a support/offense pokemon for reg F, ik where to put the ev's and the item, but the movepool is what i need help with, my hydrapplin has:
Protect
Fickle beam
Energy ball
Syrup bomb
I want to put breaking swipe but all of the moves are good, so which move do i replace or do i not add breaking swipe?

[nocturne holly]

you’ll get em next time tiger

[rugged ridge]

What do you guys think of gouging fire for competitive?

[mighty stump]

Burning Bulwark not blocking Status feels shity

Otherwise, not really much of an opinion to form considering ladder just came out

[molten oasis]

It’s odd idk why that was the decision they made

[karmic temple]

Does spiky shield block status?

[keen karma]

You can run alcremie decorate with it

[mighty stump]

You can do that with regular protect.

[keen karma]

No i mean as in like you have alcremies ability preventing sleep iirc

[near crag]

Check this out: https://pokepast.es/c3af438d8a773a0f, tried doing a sun team for reg F. It’s bad, but some of the mons could have a nice dynamic together

[autumn vault]

Is this a good moveset for a offense/support hydrapplin
Protect
Fickle beam
Syrup bomb
Energy ball
Which move should i replace with breaking swipe? If not should it not learn breaking swipe

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/64b58d6d9aad7b7d this is what I got
Thoughts on the last slot?

[acoustic harness]

Are legendaries allowed in regulation F

Specifically Dawn Wings Necrozma

[mighty stump]

No.

[limpid trench]

Any 1 got time to help me make a team

[acoustic harness]

💔

Another meta of Urshifu Tornadus except now with Incineroar yay!!!!!

No Dawn wings trick Room meteor beam shenanigans 💔💔💔💔

[autumn vault]

Incin is healthy meta, cheer up

[feral ledge]

I truly believe Urshifu should have been banned just on ability alone

[autumn vault]

And flutter mane because its toxic

Just like urshifu

[mighty stump]

Again, no point really discussing it since its not going to happen, and we have our hand thats been dealt

[autumn vault]

Wish GF actually did bans

[near crag]

I honestly don’t care much about urshifu, but mane sucks

[autumn vault]

Urshifu atleast has consistent counters, mane doesnt

[mighty stump]

You can play around Mane lol

[autumn vault]

Less than shifu

[feral ledge]

I mean a Speed boosted FM counters Urshifu

[mighty stump]

No? lol

[feral ledge]

So I guess there’s that

[nocturne holly]

You can? What is this sorcery?

[acoustic harness]

Urshifu isn’t even the problem it’s Tornadus

[feral ledge]

Heavy Slam, H-Gooda or Iron Hands

[acoustic harness]

Ban fucking prankster mons please

[autumn vault]

Torn triggers shifu ik, but shifu can do stuff without torn

[mighty stump]

If this is going to be a circle jerk about who or what to ban, I'd prefer you cut this conversation very short immediately.

Cause im not entertaining that type of garbage here

[autumn vault]

Ok

[acoustic harness]

Torn can also do shit without Urshi

[feral ledge]

I’m sorry for my comment

[nocturne holly]

man you took it the wrong way…

[autumn vault]

Ayo

[mighty stump]

Sometimes TPCi has shitty balancing and does things like Torn/Shifu/Flutter/Whatnot

Unfortunately thats the metagame you're going to have to play

You're welcome to complain but it's not even productive to consistently do so.

[acoustic harness]

But we can’t have Dawn Wings Necrozma or Reshiram god forbid

[autumn vault]

That is fax

[acoustic harness]

They’re way to broken but at least we don’t ban flutter and prankster mons

[mighty stump]

The ones who excessively complain just prove theyre not good players.

[acoustic harness]

And a mon with guaranteed crit that ignores protect

[acoustic harness]

Yeah cuz you compete every year at worlds and NAIC huh

[mighty stump]

Lol

You're just upset youre again, bad at the game

Unfortunate for you, nothing to do with me

[acoustic harness]

So bad I got top 5 at Pittsburgh regionals 😭😭😭

[feral ledge]

I would like to start going to local tournaments and stop playing on the ladder

[mighty stump]

And you can't deal with Flutter and Urshifu LOL

[acoustic harness]

I’m just saying they’re annoying

I also made that last part up

It’s more so I wish more shit was unbanned so meta isn’t stale

[mighty stump]

The more powercreep that gets banned the more random garbage comes up again, especially in ladder.

[acoustic harness]

Idc if it gets banned it’s more so I want shit unbanned

[mighty stump]

So you just want to centralise the metagame around something else then

Lol

[acoustic harness]

This dude def runs torn Urshifu and thinks he’s a good player for beating up on los Elo

[dull ibex]

My guy just wait the box arts come out in their format

[mighty stump]

This dude can't get out of low elo

[autumn vault]

The reason we complain is that its the same pokemon over and over again, there is barely variety and yes i will admit it takes skill to use those pokemon but still, its just brainless

[mighty stump]

Wow, that's even more cap

[dull ibex]

You complain because you don't understand the game

Please just calm down

[next stump]

how can something take skill but also be brainless

isn't that a contradiction

[mighty stump]

No but its brainless skill obviously

[dull ibex]

That's how I get with hyper offense Dillon lmao

Also we aren't lacking in variety tbh

[acoustic harness]

I was 55-16 this regulation I don’t play much but I can say meta game is stale without being a bad player

[autumn vault]

It takes skill but just feels braindead

[mighty stump]

55-16

Lol

in CTS bo1

cart

Good job

Im proud of you

[autumn vault]

I was master rank back in reg B and C, just cant find motivation to grind more

[acoustic harness]

I said I don’t play much, I mainly play unite

[dull ibex]

You're allowed to think the meta is stale but this way about going about that screams bad player

[acoustic harness]

Im a bad player for wanting a different meta according to world renowned player WolfeyTofu

[dull ibex]

Circle jerks about meta is not it

[mighty stump]

Sigh

[dull ibex]

Not what he said

[acoustic harness]

Bro I said one thing

And then he’s like “bad player”

[autumn vault]

Lets just drop it there is no point in arguing about the meta

[gentle crag]

@acoustic harness has been warned for: Excessively argumentative

[mighty stump]

You're so annoying

[dull ibex]

Yes and this rant isn't addressed to just you, again you are not the main character

[acoustic harness]

You’re the one being a weirdo about it

[dull ibex]

I was addressing literally everyone

[acoustic harness]

Yeah you’re fine man

[dull ibex]

Can we please just drop this stupidity

[autumn vault]

Yes i did complain a lot but still, there is no reason to do it anyways, tpci wont do anytbing about it

[mighty stump]

Listen, I understand you're a garbage player that can't deal with the metagame and would rather have an echochamber of circlejerkers agreeing with your takes, so you should just go to reddit

[acoustic harness]

I get your point but buddy is being a dickhead cuz I want shit unbanned

[mighty stump]

Yeah

I am

Cause you're a shitter in my channel

[dull ibex]

You're complaining about not getting a format that is a year away

[mighty stump]

I'll keep going until one of us is tired and I don't particularly plan on entertaining people like you

[acoustic harness]

Bro I don’t care about how strong shit is I just want a different meta and more options

[mighty stump]

Then go play a different game

Grow up

[acoustic harness]

Fair enough

[autumn vault]

Pokemon is unbalanced, always has been

[dull ibex]

Just wait for restricted meta christ

[dull ibex]

Water is wet

Technically water isn't wet the object it's on is

[acoustic harness]

So you can call me a shitter with your stellar record of tournament placings because I said “the meta is stale switch it up”

[autumn vault]

Pokemon in general is unbalanced, i do complain but we eventually stop, so just dea with it

[mighty stump]

Like going into a butcher and asking for vegan options

[dull ibex]

If you want more opinions play different teams

[acoustic harness]

This is like “yeah the rich are already rich so we shouldn’t try and make them pay taxes”

[mighty stump]

Lolwhat

[dull ibex]

Oh boy.

[autumn vault]

There are anti meta picks but it doesnt matter, meta is meta

[dull ibex]

Just quit while you're ahead man

[acoustic harness]

I play different teams but I run into the same 5 Pokémon every game

[dull ibex]

No you don't

You flat out don't

Unless you're in like pokeball then maybe you do

[nocturne holly]

bro really just disregarded the release of the whole dlc

[acoustic harness]

I’m talking more about D & E

[autumn vault]

I wont sit here and complain. If you dont like the meta just dont complain when its about pokemon

[dull ibex]

Reg E is the most diverse its been this whole generation no you don't

[molten oasis]

Yippee I got a fever and I’m super fatigued so no work for me 🫠

[mighty stump]

Regulation D and E when the metagame had over 50% unique mons in top cut but you know

I guess we ignore that

[dull ibex]

Recover fast

[molten oasis]

That’s the plan man

[mighty stump]

I'm so sorry people in a competitive game use what's good and don't use their favourites

[acoustic harness]

Yes it was so fun to see the same top 10 most used at worlds be the same at every regionals except with Ogerpon now

[nocturne holly]

I’d take that as a win

[autumn vault]

Comp players have favourites, they are just too bad to be good

[molten oasis]

But like I am absolutely unable to work

[karmic temple]

Yeah Karen from gen 2 doesn’t know what the hell she’s talking about

[dull ibex]

Sharing one or two of the top 10 isn't that bad

[mighty stump]

Oh no my favourites are Kingambit and Ogerpon

💀

[molten oasis]

I’m losing 2 shifts of money

That’s a lot of money

[dull ibex]

Dragapult begs to differ

[acoustic harness]

It was almost the exact same

[autumn vault]

There are good ones, a lot of people have favourites that arent good

[mighty stump]

A couple of yappers who do not know what theyre talkling about

[acoustic harness]

What other Kitakami mons were there

[dull ibex]

You're pulling that out of your ass man

[nocturne holly]

I take that as a L then

[molten oasis]

Sinistcha is still pretty solid, Bloodmoon is solid

[dull ibex]

I saw the worlds teams

[nocturne holly]

Get better soon

[dull ibex]

I've seen every tourneys top 10

[molten oasis]

Kommo-o and a9 are fun

[autumn vault]

We all have favourites, some are good some others are mid and some others are bad

[dull ibex]

Palance meta was the closest to that (it wasnt)

[karmic temple]

Speaking of San Antonio stream started !!

[autumn vault]

Its simple

[mighty stump]

• Just because you're too shit to actually make your teams work doesn't mean the meta has a lack of diversity
• Just because people use what's actually good doesn't create lack of diversity if you actually had the time to check out usage stats
• And just because unbalanced shit exists doesn't mean the tools don't exist to play around it cause your only options are to play the game or complain and so far the top players aren't simply whining in a discord channel

[near crag]

Do you know how do counter harc? There are like 5 Tera types people run w it

[mighty stump]

Its 2 and its Normal/Fairy

You can scout its set with protect since it tends to run Band and just switch into a resist.

[autumn vault]

If you are bad, then get good and stop complaining that you arent instantly good

[near crag]

I saw grass a lot, steel and water sometimes

[autumn vault]

I am gonna go, its too boring

[mighty stump]

Water and Grass are more likely to be supportive sets, if this isn';t OTS then your options are again to scout. Offensive H-Arcs tend to run Fairy. So you'd be able to guess if its alternative Teras that they aren't banded

They would then probably carry wisp and lack the heavy offensive pressure H-Arc usually carries.

[acoustic harness]

And just because you make an essay and call people bad despite having no backup to say you aren’t bad doesn’t mean that the meta isn’t stale

[mighty stump]

You can just hit it with neutrals using Hands/Mane/Urshifu, or force it to blow tera for a better endgame

[molten oasis]

But it’s not stale

[dull ibex]

The usage stats do.

[summer shore]

I jst had alluring voice clicked on me

[acoustic harness]

At least we have Incin Whimsicott

[summer shore]

Never seen that in my life

[dull ibex]

You're an idiot oh my God

[summer shore]

Is that from dlc

[acoustic harness]

So some fun shit

[dull ibex]

Sorry I forget about the bot my bad

[mighty stump]

Lol, okay guys, go get the proof that i'm bad at the game

[summer shore]

Oml newjeans

Yay

[molten oasis]

I think reg e is fairly diverse and I hope reg f is the same

[nocturne holly]

What the fuck was that lmao

[summer shore]

Anyways whats going on @mighty stump

[dull ibex]

Shrug

[mighty stump]

I'd lvoe to see it

[dull ibex]

You know show me your elo isn't a good argument right.

[mighty stump]

Classic metagame complainer yappin then callling me a bad cause I don't entertain butthurt circlejerking

The usual

[summer shore]

https://pokepast.es/1f5cd29f5244babb Here is a nice quick sun team i cooked up

[summer shore]

Oh so the same old

Ight

[dull ibex]

For singles or doubles shiro?

[mighty stump]

Not enough Hydrapple

[acoustic harness]

Go get the proof that I’m bad? I said I don’t like the meta being stale and I wish they’d unban the legendaries but I also understand why they aren’t unbanned, it’s not like I said “oh this has no counter play the game is so unfun”

[molten oasis]

real

[summer shore]

Im not bringing hydrapple onto sun

[molten oasis]

Hydrapple gang Hydrapple gang

[dull ibex]

Are weather teams good in singles,

[dull ibex]

Dude SHUT. UP.

[summer shore]

Yer

[dull ibex]

You were warned shut the hell up

Stop seize

[mighty stump]

It's fine Red everyone is entitled to their opinion

I just wish people also realise opinions can be wrong

[summer shore]

Terapagos is a wild mon btw

[mighty stump]

But you know

Same old same old

[dull ibex]

No I'm okay with his opinion, this is fucking annoying and disruptive at this point

[summer shore]

You guys are gonna have a fun time when it gets legal

[acoustic harness]

I’ll say some of what I said is wrong after discussion

[mighty stump]

Obviously

[summer shore]

Signature is a little bit weak!

[molten oasis]

Yes sure excited to try and kill the 160/110/110 Mon

[dull ibex]

restricted format is a fun idea though

[summer shore]

Also the fact that its se on anything tera?

[dull ibex]

No dmax >>>>

[summer shore]

Wild

[acoustic harness]

But the meta is still stale for D and E! F is gonna hopefully be cool

[dull ibex]

It's not stale!

Stop asserting its stale

[summer shore]

Wait til you see that it gets cm rock polish rest sleep talk etcetc

[dull ibex]

It's not a fact

[molten oasis]

[dull ibex]

Anyways, tofu unrelated but I got a new left joycon

Now my switch is white and red It's kinda awesome

[mighty stump]

Such life-changing information

[dull ibex]

Let me be happy about it

Heck you

[mighty stump]

No.

[summer shore]

Im liking this new dlc

Lots of fun toys

[dull ibex]

OK then fuck you stupid idiot toxic tofu

[summer shore]

I want to make keldeo work

[mighty stump]

That's better

[acoustic harness]

Which of these Pokémon is new from regulation D usage outside of Ogerpon and Rillaboom

[summer shore]

But with the new dogs and rmoon unban its gonna be annoying to play keldeo

[dull ibex]

The meta is beyond this tbh

Blood moon is common

[acoustic harness]

There’s good counter picks but so many people on ladder run those 10 Pokémon and don’t play different teams is my entire point

[dull ibex]

So is dusclops

[summer shore]

I think its funny that stale is ever an argument considering pokemon is not actively balanced

[dull ibex]

Sinischa is interesting

[summer shore]

Lol

Duh things are gonna get stale

Nothing changed

[molten oasis]

I wish Sinistcha got explored a bit more

[karmic temple]

Yes because they’re strong Pokémon and get consistent results don’t fix what’s not broken

[molten oasis]

In reg e

I’m hoping we see more sini reg f

[summer shore]

Exactly

Strong mons stay strong

[acoustic harness]

Exactly, hence why I said I wish legendaries were unbanned because it would give us cool stuff but I understand why there’s no restricted right out of the gate

[molten oasis]

Bleh

[acoustic harness]

And that put tofu into a mental breakdown

[summer shore]

Except you'll have about a week or 2 as a buffer then find the same legendaries boring

Lol

[molten oasis]

I’ll pass on restricted

For now

[dull ibex]

Dude I'm a be real with you after worlds you'll be back to complain about kyogre groudon being stale

[molten oasis]

A lot of mons get pushed out of the format when that happens

[acoustic harness]

Yeah but more off meta teams to mess with when you get bored and it adds more counters to the meta

[dull ibex]

You're the problem

[acoustic harness]

Adds more options for cool weather and trick Room teams

[summer shore]

What changes then

You still have an off meta

[dull ibex]

Except that restricted are more centralizing then normal mons

[hearty zealot]

I just swept someone with stamina plus beat-up

[summer shore]

If you're not bringing it into actual stakes tournaments you shld just play what you want lol

[acoustic harness]

Weather and trick Room teams, new strategies with the new mechanics and moves in scarlet violet

[summer shore]

Ladder points are fake anyway

[summer shore]

Still got weather still got room

[dull ibex]

Dude tr is good literally rn

So is weather it's good

[acoustic harness]

It’s good but it gives those teams more diversity!

[molten oasis]

How?

[summer shore]

Just go play with shitmons

[acoustic harness]

Like F will allow for new shit in rain teams

[summer shore]

The power level scales

[dull ibex]

And you think kyogre gourdon will add more diversity,

[acoustic harness]

I ran thru masters with Torkoal Lilligant it’s not the most unique team but it was really fun

[summer shore]

Well then

[karmic temple]

Kinda a stale team, it’s been around for what 3 regs now ?

[summer shore]

Seems like problem solved ay

[near crag]

Will the hoenn trio be legal?

[karmic temple]

We find out on the 25th

[summer shore]

Way down the line

No way they release restricted this quickly

[karmic temple]

Are the trios restricted?

[acoustic harness]

Yeah but when more Pokémon get added you get more options to make it work !

[karmic temple]

I figured since the bird trio isn’t the dogs wouldn’t be

[summer shore]

You're talking about the cover legends right

Oh the dogs are johto

[acoustic harness]

And I’m excited for F because sandstorm can probably finally be decent

[karmic temple]

OH OH

[acoustic harness]

Solely because of Excadrill

[summer shore]

Yeah dogs shld be legal

[karmic temple]

OM IGNORE ME I got my gens confused

[molten oasis]

Seems wolfey is a Hydrapple believer pog

[summer shore]

If they follow the trend

[cyan smelt]

i'm a hydrapple believer

[acoustic harness]

Hydrapple is really cool

[summer shore]

I dont play vgc tho

I just follow the news bc of this chat

[molten oasis]

I am pursuing a Hydrapple team

[summer shore]

So i wouldnt take my word fully

Face value

[fallen rivet]

https://pokepast.es/406c4cbb47bee728 hi im not great at ev’s what should I change

[molten oasis]

I have found Fari incin and primarina pair with it quite well

[molten oasis]

Do you know how to calc stuff

[cyan smelt]

if incin is gonna be ubiquitous i might have to run annihilape or gambit

[fallen rivet]

I’ve just used the showdown calculator

But not really no

[molten oasis]

It’s already everywhere and I highly doubt it’s going away

[summer shore]

Technically the intim power level itself is down

[molten oasis]

I run gambit atm

[summer shore]

But the new stuff incin got is the issue

[molten oasis]

Did it get more than helping hand?

[summer shore]

Knock off

[acoustic harness]

I wonder if Iron Crown will be decent

[molten oasis]

Oh it got knock odd this gen?

[acoustic harness]

Incin is cool

[summer shore]

Iron Crown is ass

[fallen rivet]

It prevents healing so it’s noice

[acoustic harness]

💔

[summer shore]

All the unova bots suck

Iron Boulder needs to prove itself

[molten oasis]

Iron crown in vgc I think can be good

[acoustic harness]

What about Gouging Fire

[molten oasis]

A faster psyspam option is cool

[summer shore]

In what team frame

[cyan smelt]

think i might run sun with walking wake

[molten oasis]

Psyspam

[summer shore]

Eh

Maybe

[molten oasis]

I think Hatt is 100% better

[acoustic harness]

I’m gonna build around Hydrapple Incin I think

[molten oasis]

But it’s interesting

[mighty stump]

Fast mode though.

[molten oasis]

Yea that’s my thought with crown

Having a fast mode

[summer shore]

Im a major unova bots hater

So im a lil bit biased

[molten oasis]

Oh ig in theory you could do crown Hatt Deedee

[fallen rivet]

Fair

[summer shore]

But also psyspam into incin?

Tough

[molten oasis]

Fair

[fallen rivet]

Oops all psyspam

[acoustic harness]

Dragon Cheer + Kingdra

I wonder

Or Hydrapple Dragapult

[keen karma]

Incin + chien beats flutter right?

[summer shore]

The last time ive played w crit kingdra is dppou

[acoustic harness]

I used it in the DLC for fun

[molten oasis]

I think dragon cheer is pretty niche

[karmic temple]

Tfw both people on stream are wearing cowboy hats 😭

[acoustic harness]

They still didn’t give Serp any good coverage 💔 at least I get Tera blast tho

[molten oasis]

I think it be a cool tech with hydreigon or something, but it’s not anything crazy

[summer shore]

@mighty stump time to unretire tOUf

[acoustic harness]

It’s like a keep it as a move type thing

And have another dragon

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[summer shore]

Volcarona used Fiery Dance!
(The opposing Dragonite lost 25% of its health!)
Volcarona's Sp. Atk rose!
(The opposing Dragonite ate its Maranga Berry!)
The Maranga Berry raised the opposing Dragonite's Sp. Def!

wtf is a maranga berry

[keen karma]

Singles?

[mighty stump]

Man

Why would I want to do that

I have a blog to write

Go away ShirOU

tOUf is dead

[summer shore]

yea

[summer shore]

nah but like ur peak eclipses any other ou peak here

[keen karma]

Just do it

It increases your mental strength

[faint nest]

Archaludon is really good just tried him out

[autumn vault]

it really is, i am preparing for reg F and i am looking at archaludon and (my child) excadrill

[summer shore]

@mighty stump why are randoms in 1200 so pressed over games

this is madness

had to file a cheeky ps ticket

[mighty stump]

The trend

Low elo x pressed

[prime night]

I'm trying to get a good competitive team and I want a porygon z on it but I need to trade for it to evolve, can someone help me?

[summer shore]

i also need to play with less expectations of a brain

[mighty stump]

Also me

[torpid heron]

If you'll help me do the same

I alreadly gave all the evo items

[mighty stump]

If you guys want to arrange a trade please do it in the appropriate channel/DMs

Thank you

[torpid heron]

Also do we know if Stella is gonna be allowed in comp yet

[torpid heron]

Sorry tofu

[mighty stump]

Unsure, but it will be for Reg F

[mighty stump]

Nothing to be sorry about.

[torpid heron]

Got it

[prime night]

Okay we can do it in the trading channel

[summer shore]

@mighty stump tera shell is so wild btw

Better multiscale

[mighty stump]

What does it actually do, im unsure of the details

[summer shore]

Makes everything resisted when at full hp

In a vacuum its objectively better than multiscale

[mighty stump]

Oh, cause it's not just SE hits

[summer shore]

Nah like in theory right

Quad weak goes to resist

[mighty stump]

Type change?

[summer shore]

So the effective dmg reduction is insane

[near crag]

Is raging bolt good? I’m planning to replace eleki w it on my team

[summer shore]

Vs multiscale which is a flat half

[summer shore]

They serve different roles

[near crag]

What role does bolt fill?

[summer shore]

Hard to say rn because its been barely out

[bold geode]

@summer shore

[faint nest]

First ever sweep with Archaludon

[summer shore]

But it definitely wont fill regieleki's role

Just because eleki is so fast

[karmic temple]

Who knows the dlc has been out for 4 days and it’s not legal for another month

[summer shore]

Monke

[faint nest]

Bolt is gonna be really good

[bold geode]

How Shiro

[faint nest]

It’s bulky and has a really good sp atk

[summer shore]

Its 5am

[bold geode]

Oh real gremlin hours

[summer shore]

I bought 2 fragrances tdy tho

[bold geode]

Pog

[summer shore]

Absolute bargains

[near crag]

It’s 3pm where I’m at

[summer shore]

Theres this sydney fragrance house that makes some excellent dupes

And sells them for dirt cheap

Went for the first time

Gotta say i loved it

[bold geode]

That sounds sick

[mighty stump]

I was going to go visit Replica by Maison

but they did not smell as good as I remember

[summer shore]

Margiela are kinda mid im ngl

[mighty stump]

I'm gonna go see if I can find some Lush fragrances cause those are really well done

[mighty stump]

Frfr

[summer shore]

Tofu my body craves the gym

[mighty stump]

That's a good thing

[summer shore]

I did a 3h sesh on friday

💀

[mighty stump]

Wild

My workouts have been

Sporadic

[polar canyon]

Time to get into competitive casually again

Do we know how adaptability works with tera stellar?

[mighty stump]

You get a boost

[summer shore]

Tera Stellar feels so unnecessary

[mighty stump]

I dont remember the exact numbers

All I remember according to DaWoblefet

ITs like 1.2x to your STAB and then you get regular STAB to non-original typing

[autumn vault]

Stellar is the best tera for raids because it applies stab on all of the users moves

[torpid heron]

How does stellar even work fully?

[mighty stump]

Not really, since it's a one off

[autumn vault]

Its all types in one with no immunities

[mighty stump]

Not really lol

You retain your original typing defensively, its just your moves will get a boost once per type

[torpid heron]

Idk I've thought abt getting back into comp but I really don't like how you have to use like the same 10-15 pokemon and anything else is a throw

[mighty stump]

That is not true

[autumn vault]

Stellar is good for raids, mid for comp

[torpid heron]

Ohhhh, okay

[torpid heron]

Well I got like bullied for even thinking abt using anything outside the meta it felt like so :/, it felt like any time I'd run anything past someone they'd go "no, other meta pokemon serves same purpose, use that"

[novel halo]

Quick Off Topic Question: Is bug tera on Drednaw good? It takes out the Grass, Ground, and Fighting weakness and turns them all into resistances, but also it's bug type so idk.

[autumn vault]

Its not bad, but there are better optionz

[summer shore]

No flying is better for that exact purpose

[mighty stump]

As a purely defensive tera it makes sense, but you might as well use Grass tera to also allow you to potentially bypass Rage Powders and Spore

[mighty stump]

It just requires a lot of work.

People do not realise the amount of work it takes to do that

[mighty stump]

Please leave the advising to the helpers. Thank you.

[novel halo]

I didn't even realize that lol, thanks

[gentle crag]

woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky

[summer shore]

All good

Tera Bug is a bit of a joke just because of that fact

[autumn vault]

Ok

[torpid heron]

Idk, I'll give comp like one more go since I have literally nothing better to do

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 730: Primarina

Types

Water/Fairy

Abilities

Torrent, Liquid Voice (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/74/74/126/116/60

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

Ability: Liquid Voice

This Pokemon's sound-based moves become Water-type moves. This effect comes after other effects that change a move's type, but before Ion Deluge and Electrify's effects.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[torpid heron]

Oh yeah I've thought abt using primarina

[mighty stump]

No better time than now since everything is fairly fresh and new

[polar canyon]

Yeah you sure do

But do you lose the og type?

Like it feels different since you keep the og weaknesses

[torpid heron]

I'll prolly hop in during reg F

[polar canyon]

With adaptability if you tera to a different type you lose the adaptability boost for the original ones

[mighty stump]

Nope, you retain your original defensive typing

[polar canyon]

And the adaptability boost for the original typing?

[mighty stump]

So you only get Adapt on your original STABs

[plain drum]

Whoa, Tofu
So cool…

[polar canyon]

Nice

I was considering porygon-z with tera blast for normal stab

[next stump]

results from Nino’s Reg F tournament

[polar canyon]

Reg e incineroar edition

[torpid heron]

Omg

Ong*

It looks like everyone just looked at their reg e team and went "yeah ill just keep that"

[summer shore]

Im sorry PZ is a fraud

[polar canyon]

I know

But I have a shiny from gen 8

I need to use it it's the law

[torpid heron]

Pory z is an awesome pokemon

[polar canyon]

That also applies to shiny araquanid

Huge power but only for one of your stabs

[mighty stump]

1.5x not 2

[torpid heron]

I like 8th places team, because it actually uses new pokemon and not just incineroar

[polar canyon]

Oh then the showdown description of the ability is pretty misleading

No no unless it got nerfed now it's 100% that stacks with stab

Unless serebii is also wrong

[mighty stump]

I think people need to get out of the mindeset that Incineroar is bad for the metagame

Its really good

[polar canyon]

I never said I don't like it

Just pointed out because I think it's funny

[mighty stump]

I'm just referring to what Kyle said

[polar canyon]

Reg e but with incineroar

[mighty stump]

Since Incineroar gives you the space to actually build more wacky teams

Due to the level of role compression it gives

[polar canyon]

Mhm

Also it has a cool design

[torpid heron]

Oh I was basically referring to the fact its basically just reg e again, I don't mind incineroar at all

[polar canyon]

I started liking it after smash bros

[mighty stump]

I see

[polar canyon]

Now I wonder if those results are gonna reflect to when the season releases officially

Surely there's more than one returning pokemon that's meta right

[torpid heron]

I hope not, I'd like to see the community actually try the newer pokemon

[karmic temple]

Incineroar and competitive/defiant mons stocks going up

[polar canyon]

Stomping tantrum ogerpon gaming

[nocturne holly]

no

what moveset for av metagross

[torpid heron]

Please I love ogerpon

[mighty stump]

I love early ladder

Ive been seeing a lot of interesting teams

[polar canyon]

That's pretty funny

[mighty stump]

A lot of people trying Sand

[polar canyon]

Yeah metagross looks great now

Or am I blatantly incorrect

[mighty stump]

Ive only seen a couple Metagross and theyre like

Eh

[keen karma]

Bo3?

[mighty stump]

Alright

[mighty stump]

No lol

I don't have the energy to do bo3 immediately

I just wanted to see if I vibed with the team

[polar canyon]

Wanna share or no spoilers?

[keen karma]

I went straight into bo3 with my sand team

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/d00f45d67244e647

[keen karma]

Thats probably why im suffering

[torpid heron]

I'm still trying to complete my pokedex for the dlc so I can't even think abt team-building, my mind can't process bith things at once

[mighty stump]

Im still working out the EVs

[polar canyon]

Nice team

[nocturne holly]

I need a 6th for my team and then I can finally start playing

[torpid heron]

I like the team

[keen karma]

Is archaludon pretty much better hoodra atp

[polar canyon]

Incin didn't get knock off last gen right?

[mighty stump]

Basically

[next stump]

Bullet Punch, Stomping, Ice Punch/Rock Slide/Stone Edge, Psychic STAB is probably where I’d start

[mighty stump]

People been choosing to run Psychic Fangs

[nocturne holly]

yea I’m running fangs

[keen karma]

No

[mighty stump]

and LO on Mgross so far

[polar canyon]

Psychic fangs is probably the go to one right

[nocturne holly]

wbt iron head?

[polar canyon]

Does bp ohko mane?

[nocturne holly]

No

unfortunately

[next stump]

well you gotta think about what you’re clicking Iron Head into and what you’re giving up for it

you’re likely giving up your coverage to hit stuff like lando or other flying types

[polar canyon]

Ur gonna be stomping heatran with tantrum probably

[near crag]

Yeah, I liked your sinistcha set, only difference to mine is shadow ball instead of strength sap

[nocturne holly]

I see

[polar canyon]

Cant hit it with psychic and steel

[next stump]

yeah you 100% need stomping

[nocturne holly]

think ima try LORB metagross

[next stump]

for incin too

[nocturne holly]

So for AV
Bullet punch
Psychic fangs
Ice punch
Stomping tantrum?

[next stump]

that’s where I would start personally

[nocturne holly]

if I were to do LO what would I drop for protect? Ice punch?

[polar canyon]

I think it depends if you have means to beat whatever you used ice punch for with the rest of the team

[dawn crown]

does incineroar learn parting shot anymore?

[polar canyon]

Yep

[dawn crown]

how tdo i teach it

[polar canyon]

Idk

[karmic temple]

It’s an egg move

[polar canyon]

If it's not level up it's egg

You just do the mirror herb method

[karmic temple]

Mirror herb from monkidori or grimm or grafaiai

[dawn crown]

ok

[polar canyon]

I think egg groups don't matter for the mirror herb method

Oh yeah only those guys learn it

[mighty stump]

It doesn't matter indeed

[polar canyon]

Does mirror herb contrary drop your stats?

Info I'll never use

But now need to know

[karmic temple]

Not sure but I would assume it just copies the stats since they aren’t going down from a move

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/1523f1cd3f24f385

[nocturne holly]

There should be an ability that always makes the opponent hit themselves in confusion

and give it swagger

and then pair it with mirror herb sneasler

[polar canyon]

Should I actually do this

[nocturne holly]

what does steller Tera blast do

steller Tera looks kinda shit

[next stump]

100 base power but lowers your offensive stats by one stage IIRC

[nocturne holly]

what

that’s not even like good
Make it rain does more and doesn’t have such a drawback

[polar canyon]

I think it's about being supereffective against anything that's terastalized

That's a nice upside

[tough idol]

Wouldn't Contrary mons make good use of it?

[polar canyon]

The like 2 not trash stats contrary mons

[nocturne holly]

It is?

damn ok
So I can see it just being used for Tera blast tbh

[polar canyon]

We'll see

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/620bbde2cdf73bd5 if anyone wants the team with full EVs to see what yall can do with it

I had fun, early ladder top 10

[ember linden]

W Tofu, I think AV Stamina Dura is the better set than Stalwart

[eternal kiln]

trash needs more metagross

jk

[ember linden]

Body press is hella nice for heatran matchup

[nocturne holly]

Do you ever self proc bp

[nocturne holly]

Real
AV METAGROSS BEST METAGROSS

[mighty stump]

Yea

[polar canyon]

Pop bomb stamina body press is 100% gonna be a gimmick people use

[eternal kiln]

https://pokepast.es/b0fab4e99d5ca805 np

[polar canyon]

Like hoodra iron defense but better

And you can use av

[eternal kiln]

Idk the tera on it yet though. Either gonna stay offensive with steel, or go either fire or dragon

[mighty stump]

yeah but the nice thing is everything procs stamina be it SpA or Phys

[polar canyon]

Stellar tera

Not saying it's good

But it's new so that means it's cool

Wait the paradoxes are allowed right

[mighty stump]

Gouging Flame has been super mid

[polar canyon]

I need to look at them again

[mighty stump]

Raging Bolt seems cool

[polar canyon]

Gouging flame looked mid when I saw the stats and movepool

Looks great for singles tho

Just slap on some boots

[nocturne holly]

I’m doing water

[eternal kiln]

Ehhhh... not sure how I feel about that

I think water loses a lot of defensive value this reg lol

[nocturne holly]

not sure how I feel about you
Go home

[eternal kiln]

lol

[mighty stump]

💀

I wanna try Bolt

[nocturne holly]

I think my metagross spread is 180 hp 252 atk 76 sp def adamant AV

[eternal kiln]

I like having max or almost max HP on it

[nocturne holly]

Idk I just tried hitting the sp def stat hands hit

[eternal kiln]

well it has 90 base SpD

already pretty good as it is

[nocturne holly]

yea
It also has less hp so the calcs are shit

[eternal kiln]

80 base HP makes me want to commit more onto that

[nocturne holly]

what are your mane calcs

[faint nest]

Yeah Archaludon is insane

[nocturne holly]

honestly I wanna do LO so I might be able to ohko mane with bullet punch

[eternal kiln]

tbh I havent calced for anything im just trying shit rn lmao

but this one has took a lot of hits

[mighty stump]

Me with my calc'd Incin and Archa set

[nocturne holly]

ok tofu

[eternal kiln]

damn we got a showoff here

[mighty stump]

Ya man

[nocturne holly]

me with my non calced metagross set 😎

[mighty stump]

Lemme get clout early ladder to make up for the fact im mid

[nocturne holly]

why calc when you can just
not

[dawn crown]

if there is sun and booster energy on flutter does it get two boosts

[mighty stump]

No

Protosynthesis only occurs once

It's non stackable

[eternal kiln]

all you need for shadowball

252+ SpA Protosynthesis Flutter Mane Shadow Ball vs. 152 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Metagross: 146-174 (83.9 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

For timid specs

252 SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Shadow Ball vs. 216 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Metagross: 152-182 (83.5 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[nocturne holly]

Mine always lives 252 modest specs

I might do max max tho

[eternal kiln]

Ye yours is good too, I just like to think there are mostly timid specs mane

[nocturne holly]

I hate how metagross can’t ohko chi yu with stomping

[nocturne holly]

Yea ima switch to yours

[minor otter]

So do we know which evs are good for terapagos

[eternal kiln]

I kinda threw something together for mine, yours might be better idk yet lol

[polar canyon]

Terapagos is allowed??

[nocturne holly]

idk I just calced for mane shit

I just want max atk

I might go lorb

[minor otter]

Lmao no want to prepare

[mighty stump]

🤷‍♂️

None of us do restricted stuff

Since it's not allowed, theres no builds

[polar canyon]

If you're using it for raids do max spatk max hp

[mighty stump]

OU might have some stuff/Ubers

[polar canyon]

Apparently terapagos is starting as ou

[ember linden]

Gouging would be so good if it was actually protect with guaranteed burn

[nocturne holly]

It’s not?

[ember linden]

Yeah

[nocturne holly]

I thought it was

[mighty stump]

Its guaranteed burn only on contact moves + status moves bypass it

Urshifu/Ogerpon need not worry

[ember linden]

Yeah it isn’t as good as we thought

[mighty stump]

Only really relevant for Lando/Iron Hands/Rilla

[nocturne holly]

Is it a chance on non contact?

[ember linden]

Thank god tbh, that is broken

[mighty stump]

nope, no effect on non-contact

Lol