Yes but I wouldn't want to go into rock tera
#competitive_discussion
smoky hawk
molten oasis
And are single type with lots of coverage
dull ibex
then they would just want to boost their own typing
nocturne holly
Yes but I wouldn't want to go into rock tera
Why
dull ibex
im sure something will use it but only a select few
molten oasis
Yea Porygon z
nocturne holly
And are single type with lots of coverage
name mons like that that are relevant
dull ibex
porygon z will not want stellar
smoky hawk
It'll be used but who knows how much
nocturne holly
Porygon z will want defensive Tera
nocturne holly
real
dull ibex
tera normal could also be the play on pz
dull ibex
Stellar is garbage clearly
yeah I think so tbh
further boosted hyper beam could slap on pz
nocturne holly
does stellar Tera give the double STAB boost like normal Tera
smoky hawk
Is Psychic noise worth using? Very niche?
dull ibex
psychic noise will be good on hands
molten oasis
Is Psychic noise worth using? Very niche?
It’s best on a support Pokémon
dull ibex
sorry good for iron hands
molten oasis
And would be good into hands, things NEXT TO amoonguss
Maybe amoonguss if it affect’s regenerator
molten oasis
Not sure either
dull ibex
so its off field
molten oasis
Ok and again with stellar, I dont think it’s bad it’s niche
dull ibex
I think its either bad or borderline bad
molten oasis
Very few things will want it over a defensive Tera
fallen rivet
Is iron crown ok or should I just keep the raging bolt I traded for it
dull ibex
tbh I think snorlax is also another example of wanting a defensive tera but who knows
thick geyser
So far move wise for it im thinking psychic , trick room, hyper voice , light screen
nocturne holly
Ok and again with stellar, I dont think it’s bad it’s niche
I think it’s just bad tbh
what would actually want it
dull ibex
im sure something relevant will want it maybe
probably only that one mon though
I dont see the vision rn
thick geyser
I think it’s just bad tbh
what would actually want it
I think mons who already have really good type's defensive would run it and who have a lot of coverage
nocturne holly
fire would be better there imo
thick geyser
I think mons who already have really good type's defensive would run it and who ...
That need a ohko
dull ibex
That need a ohko
like who?
smoky hawk
Maybe farigarafs will switch to psychic noise
molten oasis
I think mons who already have really good type's defensive would run it and who ...
☝️
nocturne holly
Maybe farigarafs will switch to psychic noise
Does it do damage?
dull ibex
all speculation yeah
molten oasis
Like I said PORYGON Z could be good with it since it runs boltbeam and normal is a pretty decent base type
next stump
15BP loss compared to Psychic is tough for Farigarif
dull ibex
tbh I think pz will want fairy
next stump
but I think the more defensive variants will consider it
molten oasis
I think Fari will want it if it’s a more supportive one
dull ibex
Nice resists and one to fighting
molten oasis
Otherwise you still do psychic
near crag
Could an assault vest set with chien pao work? It would allow sucker punch and crunch, giving it a lot of offensive value, but Idk if the defenses would be worth it
fallen rivet
Did calyrex get expanding force last gen?
molten oasis
The move man not the Tera
next stump
Could an assault vest set with chien pao work? It would allow sucker punch and c...
there was one at worlds, but it’s really really niche
usually just easier to do sash
dull ibex
that will have a niche for sure
molten oasis
im not sure what run pyschic noise
Fari, that’s it lol
nocturne holly
but I think the more defensive variants will consider it
Dillon what do you think about the new Tera
molten oasis
Off the top of my head
next stump
i’m gonna be honest hahaha i have no idea what it does
molten oasis
i’m gonna be honest hahaha i have no idea what it does
When you Tera nothing about your base type changes, and you get stab on all your moves once
dull ibex
i’m gonna be honest hahaha i have no idea what it does
its offensive use is limited and it offer no defensive type
nocturne holly
sound mid
fallen rivet
In a weird twist from GF it seems like it’s kinda balanced
nocturne holly
I don’t think it’s gonna beat the mid allegations
nocturne holly
In a weird twist from GF it seems like it’s kinda balanced
First glance looks worse than balanced
Kinda bad
dull ibex
In a weird twist from GF it seems like it’s kinda balanced
its pretty garbage in the format we have
fallen rivet
Fair takes
near crag
there was one at worlds, but it’s really really niche
O thought of it, to counter hard tr, with crunch, while having priority damage. I’d run it in a hyper offensive team
dull ibex
it should have made all moves neutral like speculated imo
nocturne holly
Yea
fallen rivet
Can’t wait to build with gouging fire though it looks…fire
molten oasis
Hydrapple is the only thing I care about
near crag
Hydrapple is the only thing I care about
Is it actually good?
near crag
A hard TR sun team would be a great place for hydrapple
molten oasis
It has good bulk (106/110/80), regenerator, pretty decent movepool, good spA, really cool signature move. Typing isn’t that bad either
near crag
A tera water would fix the typing
molten oasis
I’ve seen that pop up twice now it’s not a paradox Mon. It doesn’t gain anything from sun
molten oasis
A tera water would fix the typing
Steel is actually perfect for it
It removes all of its weaknesses
near crag
Steel seems good, but lando would threaten
molten oasis
Why Tera infront of lando?
near crag
Not necessarily in front of lando, just in case
molten oasis
And that’s just what Tera is you have to pilot correctly
fallen rivet
Oh blaziken is going to ravish singles
smoky hawk
Hopefully can put in work in vgc too
near crag
Will smeargle, or venusaur be threats?
smoky hawk
Though I'm not sure. In singles, you protect once and get a boost and sweep from there
I'm planning on using smeargle. Might go choice scarf decorate
near crag
And is serperior bad?
karmic temple
Will smeargle, or venusaur be threats?
Smeargle maybe but very doubtful since it’ll get one shot by shifu, venusaur could possibly work in sun teams
fallen rivet
Will smeargle, or venusaur be threats?
Smearg will probably have use; serperior will like singles more than doubles
molten oasis
I think smeargle will be shit lol
chrome knot
drago
fallen rivet
When was it last legal
molten oasis
Maybe not like awful but I don’t expect much from it
keen karma
Who wants to do bbqs
keen karma
I think smeargle will be shit lol
It will obviously not be shit
near crag
Does it have dark void yet?
smoky hawk
I'm going to test smeargle with scarf and decorate but I'm concerned they'll just 1 shot with Tailwind + some attack
fallen rivet
Does it have dark void yet?
It lost dark void
molten oasis
I'm going to test smeargle with scarf and decorate but I'm concerned they'll jus...
That’s why
molten oasis
It will obviously not be shit
Mhmm cuz I’m very scared of scarf spore
There’s always a better fake out option
fallen rivet
Why scarf spore when amongus spore
molten oasis
EXACTLY
smoky hawk
Because it's the fastest spore
fallen rivet
Or something idk I’m only ultra ball ranked
molten oasis
I really only think it’s niche will be fast spore
And maybe decorate
Otherwise I think it’s just not very threatening
maiden elk
Kinda new to competitive and such I know the basics but team building is what I struggle with. As of now I’m using
Gliscor
Florgges
Gengar
Hdyrapple
Chandulure
Probopass (because why not)
molten oasis
What format is this?
next stump
is that for singles or doubles
molten oasis
Most of those are pretty ok or just bad in doubles
maiden elk
I want to focus singles first
molten oasis
Mm, I can’t help you there sorry
maiden elk
I run yache berry on hydrapple for obvious 4x ice weakness
molten oasis
Ig that can work
nocturne holly
Max/max spinner/sucker/crunch?
Usually
Crash/spinner
Sucker/crunch/lash out
Sacred sword
Protect
Max max Tera ghost
sash
fallen rivet
Awesome thanks @nocturne holly @molten oasis
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silk lily
Metagross got buffed as he should the king is back
smoky hawk
Metagross got buffed as he should the king is back
In what way?
elder bridge
Hi
near crag
Usually
Crash/spinner
Sucker/crunch/lash out
Sacred sword
Protect
Max max Tera ...
Recently I’ve been running sacred/sucker/crunch/spinner w assault vest, and it’s been good. It gets one shot sometimes, but with Tera ghost it’s pretty solid
molten oasis
Metagross got buffed as he should the king is back
How did Metagross get buffed?
nocturne holly
Recently I’ve been running sacred/sucker/crunch/spinner w assault vest, and it’s...
That’s kind of a niche set
But hey it works it works
craggy swan
what tera should I put on archaladon
fallen rivet
What’s the set
craggy swan
What’s the set
I don't know which set to do but im going for a set where it utilizes tornadus prankster rain dance
and the new dipplin evolutions dragon cheer
fallen rivet
Either electric for electro shot or fairy
smoky hawk
Are the new paradoxes legal in reg F?
fallen rivet
But I’m only ultra ball ranked so Idk if that’s good
fallen rivet
Are the new paradoxes legal in reg F?
I want to say yes but I don’t know
I sure hope they are, the funny styracosaurus cat is awesome
craggy swan
Either electric for electro shot or fairy
wouldnt fairy be more useful because of the ground weakness
fallen rivet
Probably would defensively
craggy swan
then for item either choice specs, leftovers, or razor claw
fallen rivet
What’s the items for the rest of the team?
If you have them
If not then razor claw due to dragon cheer
But again idk if that’s best
craggy swan
What’s the items for the rest of the team?
fallen rivet
Yeah specs or claw
fallen rivet
If claw, then run protect
fallen rivet
thinking of a item for hydrapple too
Leftovers perhaps
Mayhaps mental herb if you run into taunt too much
fallen rivet
Yeah run that plus regenerator and you won’t need to worry about healing too much imo
craggy swan
modest nature for archaladon but what for hydrapple?
fallen rivet
Probs a more defensive nature. I’d do calm
craggy swan
Probs a more defensive nature. I’d do calm
👍
fallen rivet
See what others recommend though they may have better ideas
smoky hawk
Gee I sure do hope that we are told whether or not the new pokemon are legal because if so, I have to play the full DLC on the other version
And I am going to the first reg F tournament in the world, Portland on Jan 6-7
fallen rivet
Fwiw I got the opposite paradoxes within ten minutes on home
If that happens then worst case scenario you make a new profile and speedrun it
next stump
Gee I sure do hope that we are told whether or not the new pokemon are legal bec...
ban list coming on christmas
smoky hawk
Fwiw I got the opposite paradoxes within ten minutes on home
What do you mean? You played both versions dlc?
fallen rivet
What do you mean? You played both versions dlc?
No I played the violet dlc and traded the two for the scarlet paradoxes. If I wanted to, I could make a new profile on my switch and get the two violet paradoxes again.
craggy swan
ban list coming on christmas
Yo can I get your opinion on my team rq
next stump
sure, if it’s reg F i won’t have too much to say though since i haven’t really thought about the new pokemon
craggy swan
smoky hawk
No I played the violet dlc and traded the two for the scarlet paradoxes. If I wa...
Oh that's the problem. I want all 4 of them permanently
Mainly for competitive reasons
fallen rivet
I get ya
tired sage
white herb hydrapplin :0
fallen rivet
I think that’s a mental herb
nocturne holly
WHAT BALL FOR SHINY BELDUM
craggy swan
white herb hydrapplin :0
mental herb
next stump
heavy ball IMO
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
molten oasis
Beldum catch rate is super high
torpid hearth
Yeah it's stupidly high lmao
nocturne holly
I crit captured right after I ran out of premier balls lmao
WOOOH BABY CAUGHT ANOTHER WITH PREMIER BALL
mighty stump
But what the hell to use it on?
I used it to catch a chimchar before @chrome knot
chrome knot
@mighty stump callcallcall
play union circle with prog and I, im just printing my team sheet rn
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> callcallcall
no i got a lunch day with my dad and girlfriend today
chrome knot
im going to lunch with your dad rn
smoky hawk
Wake and leaves will still be banned in reg F 
mighty stump
Lol
nocturne holly
3 sandwiches and no shiny litten
Are there any other fire spawns near it?
keen karma
No
karmic temple
How much bp y’all have
A fat 80 😌
nocturne holly
A fat 80 😌
the only thing I’ve spent it on was throwing animations
btw what throwing animations are y’all using
I’m really liking smug
karmic temple
I haven’t even bothered playing since like yesterday 😭 yuyu hakusho is calling for me
nocturne holly
who the fuck is that
karmic temple
New live action anime adaptation on Netflix
10/10 so far
Once I’m done with this is back to the dex and bp grind
nocturne holly
10/10 so far
“Anime” and “live action” don’t fucking go together
karmic temple
One piece was pretty good and this is staying fairly faithful 2 episodes deep
smoky hawk
“Anime” and “live action” don’t fucking go together
One piece was the only exception that I've seen
real pewter
Good Tera type for minior
smoky hawk
Think I wanna cook with metagross and archaludon on the same team
My best suggestion... 🌧
In that case you might consider torn over whims because only torn learns rain dance
keen karma
Any1 know if starter outbreaks are posd?
cyan smelt
they are
keen karma
Have you gotten one?
cyan smelt
no
keen karma
Source?
nocturne holly
My best suggestion... 🌧
I could also go for like politoed or pelipper
mighty stump
Any1 know if starter outbreaks are posd?
What's posd
keen karma
Possible i meant
nocturne holly
I just spent all of mine to unlock all biome starters so
tf how w long did that take you
cyan smelt
if a pokemon can appear in the overworld it can appear as an outbreak
keen karma
if a pokemon can appear in the overworld it can appear as an outbreak
If that were the case serebui wouldnt have a list
mighty stump
So a few hours?
mighty stump
if a pokemon can appear in the overworld it can appear as an outbreak
Time to reset for Tepig outbreak
smoky hawk
I could also go for like politoed or pelipper
You can try it but see, I would not make the entire team rain oriented, so that way you can lead some games using prankster TW
keen karma
🙏
summer shore
Showdown updates soon
keen karma
Showdown updates soon
How u know?
summer shore
Finch twt
smoky hawk
I think 1 hydrapple head is 4x stronger than the other 4. So 1 head can do 80bp and the other 4 sometimes chip in with 20bp each
ionic remnant
Are there any legendary pokemon in the DLC that would only really be viable in a trick room team? Just wanting to know which ones I should reset for 0 Speed IVs
dapper crag
whats a good moveset for the following pokémon (double battles) Porygon-Z, Dodrio, Incineroar, Decidueye, and Primarina, i want better movesets for my indigo disk playthrough
craggy swan
best ev spread for hydrapplin?
alpine kernel
does upper hand hit through protect?
bold geode
whole fog
Hmm. So with a HA Feraligatr, I'm assuming my best bet is Luquidation, Ice Punch, Crunch and DD?
cyan smelt
rock slide
fallen rivet
Are there any legendary pokemon in the DLC that would only really be viable in a...
Lunala, maybe
Glastrier I guess
Idk sorry
cyan smelt
fallen rivet
All of us about to click the canyon biome
cyan smelt
empoleon stonks about to rise
fallen rivet
Coastal for rilla too ig
tiny peak
Can anyone help me with my team, running rocky helmet corviknight/life orb rayquaza/ zacian crowned/ hisuian zoroak focus sash/ maushold wide lens/ gastrodon sitrus berry, maybe change items around?
next stump
what format is this for
next stump
Are there any legendary pokemon in the DLC that would only really be viable in a...
out of these, I’d say 0SPE necessities are Glastrier, Lunala if you’re committing to it on a hard TR team, Necrozma same deal as Lunala, and that’s really it
smoky hawk
Regigigas weezing in reg F?
vague whale
I'm building a team using incineroar and rillaboom for doubles vgc ladder. Is sea of fire status worth setting up or is it better to use them as individual units?
next stump
is sea of fire the pledge moves?
vague whale
Yes
next stump
not worth it
next stump
Regigigas weezing in reg F?
definitely has potential, is he even in the game though? can you transfer him?
tiny peak
Any thoughts on my team guys?
next stump
I don’t think anyone here really plays the casual singles ladder unfortunately, but I could be wrong. There are some new faces since the DLC that might be able to help
most of this chat is focused around VGC or the pokémon showdown singles formats
keen karma
On my 7th fucking sandwich
karmic temple
Gigas is not in the game
?? My gigas is in game lol
zealous steeple
anyone know a good set for cinccino?
ionic remnant
out of these, I’d say 0SPE necessities are Glastrier, Lunala if you’re committin...
Thank you!
gentle cragBOT
Thank you!
twrocker has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd
summer shore
Pshow finally live
real pewter
Anyone got a good Tera type for minior
rugged gazelle
are any of the loyal three trick room mons or i can just catch them freely?
grand geyser
@real pewter Maybe ground? Or grass
empty haven
What held item does lunala run
cyan smelt
in swsh it ran power herb
empty haven
Ah yeah meteor beam
Hmm
It has moonblast rn
Tera fairy sounds like a good choice
Does it need psychic stab?
cyan smelt
depends if it gets e-force or not
cyan smelt
lunala gets it, it definitely wants it
oh god no calyrex gets it
which means shadow rider gets it
cyan smelt
wonder who gets rising voltage now
just raging bolt wtf
kingambit stonks about to rise
empty haven
Almost every team is gonna need a dark type of a terrain setter with all the expanding force spam there’s going to be
cyan smelt
that's busted
molten trout
Hey I'm looking for some help here, trying a rain team with Archaludon I have eleki for speed control and pelipper for rain setup but I'm struggling to think about what else I should use (doubles format)
cyan smelt
tornadus is better than pelipper
molten trout
Hmm, still doesn't solve my issue really but I'll keep it in mind
cyan smelt
it's a bit hard rn to figure out what's gonna be good or not
molten trout
Yeah, I have faith in archaludon but I need to setup conditions for it to succeed
I landed on that it needs a rain setup environment and eleki as a partner to capitalize on its speed stat but im stuck figuring out what else, maybe an amoongus for sleep control?
cyan smelt
how about urshifu rapid
molten trout
Thought about that but it might be getting power crept by raging bolt soon so I want to wait on that for the time being to see if it sticks around
molten trout
Yeah but it's a rain team which causes me some complications
cyan smelt
raging bolt is definitely gonna be a problem for you
molten trout
Yeah
cyan smelt
maybe lando?
molten trout
Hmm, maybe that could work
But intimidate doesn't solve my issues here and I don't really need the setup or damage it provides
I'm running my archaludon with vest and stamina with max sp. Atk and speed
cyan smelt
yeah i'm not really sure what's gonna be good in reg f
molten trout
Yeah it's a mess and figuring out a strategy that won't get power crept by new mons is complicated
woven zodiac
I'm running my archaludon with vest and stamina with max sp. Atk and speed
What moves?
cyan smelt
it's hard because all of the new dragons look like being good
molten trout
Electro shot
D.Meteor
A.Sphere
Flash Cannon
woven zodiac
Electro shot
D.Meteor
A.Sphere
Flash Cannon
Why DM?
molten trout
Electro shot makes up for the drops
woven zodiac
I see
molten trout
In rain it's decently free if you use it sparingly
I'm running max speed to captilaize off eleki speed control since it's speed stat isn't bad? Just lower end
cyan smelt
how about bundle, ig same problem as urshifu
woven zodiac
I’m running him without rain:
Duraludon (AV) with 252 in spa and spdef
Electro shot
Dragon pulse
Flash cannon
D. METEOR
I can’t use dm as main dragon stab bc 2 turn
I might run herb tbh
Drop Draco for a coverage move
molten trout
I think rain is more optimal but I'm also building more AROUND it than other people
woven zodiac
If I ran herb I’d run max speed
Rain is optimal
But I Like power herb builds
+1 is potent
cyan smelt
with rain you'll also have to watch out for sunny day whimsicott potentially
woven zodiac
with rain you'll also have to watch out for sunny day whimsicott potentially
Flash cannon
And I hate playing weather
molten trout
Actually whims might be a good partner for arch
woven zodiac
Hell u could run duraludon with choice specs, max speed max spa with steel beam, Draco meteor thunderbolt and aura sphere
woven zodiac
Actually whims might be a good partner for arch
Rain dance?
hollow hatch
I made a Hydrapple build though I have yet to make it in game and yeah a move or two can be adjusted
Hydrapple
Ability: Regenerator
Nature: Modest
Ivs: 0 Atk
Evs: 116 Hp, 100 Def, 252 SpA, 40 SpD
Tera: Stella/Poison/Steel
Item: Assault vest
Moves:
-Giga drain
-Fickle beam
-Pollen puff
-Infestation/Tera blast
molten trout
Rain dance?
Yeah
molten trout
Wait it doesn't get rain dance according to showdown
woven zodiac
Aw
woven zodiac
I made a Hydrapple build though I have yet to make it in game and yeah a move or...
If Av, then just run full spdef evs
hollow hatch
If Av, then just run full spdef evs
I mean I could but I was aiming for a very annoying tank that can take a couple physical or special moves
cyan smelt
it gets regenerator, pair it with incin
hollow hatch
Incin can swap out my teammates ?
cyan smelt
yeah parting shot
molten trout
That's, not what that does
Parting shot is just incin not your teammate
Unless you have like...eject pack?
mighty stump
👁️
mighty stump
I made a Hydrapple build though I have yet to make it in game and yeah a move or...
You need something to hit Steel types. Also the set is wasting EVs
You also do not need to run full SpDef EVs. What is the set calc’d for?
mighty stump
Hell u could run duraludon with choice specs, max speed max spa with steel beam,...
This is not a good set
Locking yourself into Steel Beam with no alternative Steel STAB is not good
cyan smelt
great, another newbie disagreeing with tofu
mighty stump
This is a subjective opinion built on solid knowledge and experience so you don’t want to go down that path.
woven zodiac
This is a subjective opinion built on solid knowledge and experience so you don’...
It was just something I said
mighty stump
Particularly when running something as bulky as Archaludon. Screwing your own longevity like that.
woven zodiac
Man you must be fun at parties
mighty stump
Understandable if its Gholdengo, but it still runs alternative Steel STAB
woven zodiac
Can’t you just let me say things
hollow hatch
Well yah see... Hydrapple doesn't have that great of a coverage selection and calc'd? I dunno what that means but at level 100 it should be 369 HP, 300 def, 3something SpA, and 200 SpD (300 with assault)
mighty stump
Man you must be fun at parties
Okay and? I’m not here to coddle newbie opinions and not correct them if theyre inefficient. This isn’t a party.
mighty stump
Well yah see... Hydrapple doesn't have that great of a coverage selection and ca...
Is this for VGC or Singles OU?
molten trout
Low key, I think hydrapple is best used as a bulky TR sweeper with regen for longevity
woven zodiac
Okay and? I’m not here to coddle newbie opinions and not correct them if theyre ...
I’m just saying you don’t have to say “this is a bad set”, maybe just be nice
mighty stump
I’m just saying you don’t have to say “this is a bad set”, maybe just be nice
It’s a bad set.
woven zodiac
Low key, I think hydrapple is best used as a bulky TR sweeper with regen for lon...
Yeah that could work
mighty stump
I’m not being nice nor mean. Its almost factual.
If you feel offended by fairly accurate statements
woven zodiac
I’m not being nice nor mean. Its almost factual.
It’s still a subjective opinion
hollow hatch
Singles but I feel it could be better if used in VGC
mighty stump
I suggest this is not the channel for you
mighty stump
Singles but I feel it could be better if used in VGC
OU?
woven zodiac
You don’t have to be blunt
hollow hatch
Guess it'd have to be OU
molten trout
Singles but I feel it could be better if used in VGC
Yeah doubles might be your pal, that's speculation though
woven zodiac
Yeah for now anyway
mighty stump
Again, I’m not here to coddle your feelings if facts hurt them. Sorry to say.
I’m here to give accurate information.
woven zodiac
Again, I’m not here to coddle your feelings if facts hurt them. Sorry to say.
Alr man you do you
keen karma
im feeling crushed rn
mighty stump
I will not tolerate bad advice in this channel so I recommend for future similar interactions if this is how you want to act -ᴗ-
to be prepared
keen karma
my weezing matchup is horrendous with excadrill
mighty stump
All the best.
woven zodiac
I will not tolerate bad advice in this channel so I recommend for future similar...
I said hell you could, as in maybe you could do this
keen karma
tofu can i get some help
molten trout
Very sub optimal set but this could work for doubles TR Hydrapple @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fickle Beam
- Giga Drain
- Protect
- Yawn
(Didn't touch tera or optimize IVs)
woven zodiac
Very sub optimal set but this could work for doubles TR Hydrapple @ Leftovers
...
Steel types will eat you
molten trout
Yeah but it's doubles so you can add support
woven zodiac
Maybe uh
mighty stump
Really?
woven zodiac
Gouging fire?
molten trout
Ehhh it looks kind mid
hollow hatch
Tofu thanks for the recommendation, if I swap either puff or Tera blast I found that Hydrapple can take earth power
mighty stump
Very sub optimal set but this could work for doubles TR Hydrapple @ Leftovers
...
Again, Earth Power would be very useful for you.
woven zodiac
Burning bulwark is a good tool
keen karma
my first team of reg f
mighty stump
Tofu thanks for the recommendation, if I swap either puff or Tera blast I found ...
Yes
molten trout
Again, Earth Power would be very useful for you.
Hmm, yeah you're right
molten oasis
What are we cooking
mighty stump
There is argument there to use Tera Blast Steel as well if you want Flutter coverage
Over Pollen Puff
keen karma
What are we cooking
mighty stump
But the added useful utility can be great for bulkier teams.
mighty stump
Gouging fire?
Unknown if legal.
keen karma
raging bolt did not hit as well as i thought it would
woven zodiac
Unknown if legal.
Gouging fire is bad anyway, weak to ground.
mighty stump
raging bolt did not hit as well as i thought it would
Do we know if its legal?
hollow hatch
True, oh yeah. Tofu what're the wasted EVs in your opinion?
keen karma
Do we know if its legal?
its in reg f
mighty stump
Gouging fire is bad anyway, weak to ground.
Not the way to gauge if something is good or not.
molten oasis
It’s in reg f on the showdown ladder
woven zodiac
Perhaps a water type
mighty stump
its in reg f
Oh good
keen karma
ladder
mighty stump
It’s in reg f on the showdown ladder
Yeah but that doesn’t confirm official ladder
molten oasis
Ik
keen karma
it doesnt
cyan smelt
guess we'll have to wait til christmas
keen karma
imma drop raging though
woven zodiac
Not the way to gauge if something is good or not.
I’m saying that fatigue’s hydrapple needs a bulky teammate that can support it
molten oasis
But last time thah happened they were legal, I’m hoping they’re legal
mighty stump
True, oh yeah. Tofu what're the wasted EVs in your opinion?
So, competitively at level 50, EVs have to follow a 4+8x rule which means only 3 or 5 stats will have EV investment
Otherwise you’ll have 4 or 8 or so. EVs unused
-comp EVs
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
mighty stump
-comp ev
mighty stump
There we go
hollow hatch
Ah, I was aiming for 100 but I guess VGC is 50?
mighty stump
It is, which is why I asked whether you planned on playing in-game or OU
hollow hatch
Ou, could always make another set for VGC too though
mighty stump
Well for OU, i’m unsure if it will see much use nor what it’s playability is as I do not play that format
but VGC wise, you’re going along the right path
Just yeah, the Earth Power I think is really necessary
cyan smelt
Fickle beam smeargle 💀
fallen rivet
be me, me
showdown update goes live
thisiswherethefunbegins.mp4
make a gouging fire team
parting shot goes through burning bulwark
make a psyspam team
expanding force only hits a single target despite psychic terrain being up
what did smogon mean by this? /s
mighty stump
Lul
keen karma
https://pokepast.es/67ba0caee3ea91cf tofu opins on this team?
i already want to drop raging bolt
mighty stump
Try lefties + Calm Mind
and Dragon Pulse over Draco
just focus on setting up
Otherwise
Thunderclap + Tbolt
summer shore
Well for OU, i’m unsure if it will see much use nor what it’s playability is as ...
Ou mentioned rahhhh
Which mon tofu
fallen rivet
So calm mind/prot/dpulse/thunderclap?
haughty latch
Hello, I got a DOU team could I get any opinions on it? Sorry if it looks like shit I’m kinda new to doubles https://pokepast.es/0c93af177aee4977
mighty stump
Ou mentioned rahhhh
Hydrapple
mighty stump
Hydrapple is looking pretty good
Whats it do in OU
summer shore
Whats it do in OU
Regen shenanigans
But thats just my surface level opinion
It could flop
But more likely to be decent
Metagame slowing down over next few weeks will prolly help it
ember linden
?? My gigas is in game lol
Mb I was thinking of usable in reg-f
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
cyan smelt
do you guys want to know how to get meloetta?
cyan smelt
mythical
molten oasis
Guys
Psychic noise just stops moves like matcha gatcha from even going out
Here’s the evidence
mighty stump
Psychic noise just stops moves like matcha gatcha from even going out
Wait
It prevents moves?
Not just the healing aspect?
…
The Empoleon team just got significantly@stronger
knotty mirage
Can it prevent drain punch then ?
molten oasis
It prevents moves?
Yep
molten oasis
Can it prevent drain punch then ?
I’m assuming it just shut off matcha gatcha
mighty stump
I dont remember from the trailer if it prevents the move
Or if it just super healing
idk if SD is accurate yet
molten oasis
We’ll see
If that’s the case that’s fucking funny
That psychic noise just stops the move lol
mighty stump
Can you just check the trailers
molten oasis
Sure
It just stops the move
In the trailer dondozo couldn’t use rest because of psychic noise
mighty stump
In the trailer dondozo couldn’t use rest because of psychic noise
POG
TOFUS TEAM STAY WINNING
autumn vault
is archaludon going to be good? it has amazing typing, great pseudo-legend stats, ok movepool and really good ability stamina, one reason i am asking is that this pokemon is weak to urshitfu
mighty stump
Its actually a Watershifu check theoretically
autumn vault
Its actually a Watershifu check theoretically
with stamina i can see, but i was just worried about it but thx for responding
gentle cragBOT
with stamina i can see, but i was just worried about it but thx for responding
lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu
fallen rivet
Just used crown, didn’t even use psychic noise because it was too busy taking down whimsy and mane
In other news I regret trading my iron crown away
molten oasis
Lol
fallen rivet
Meh I guess I have to speedrun the main story and dex on a different profile 🥲
molten oasis
I haven’t even fought a whims yet
I’ve fought 3 torn shifu teams and demolished them
Very hard to prevent tr when incin fakes out the damaging partner lol
fallen rivet
Torn has been…acceptable thus far
Probably need to give it taunt instead of knock though
molten oasis
I’ve found Primarina has great defensive synergy with both Hydrapple and incin
I do think I need to figure out a fast mode or a mode that doesn’t require tr
The times I’ve lost was literally because tr didn’t go up
fallen rivet
Porygon2 has been a thorn in my side thus far
fallen rivet
Tanky as heck
molten oasis
I have psychic noise it’s not getting recover off lol
fallen rivet
True I haven’t used it yet
molten oasis
Farigiraf stonks rise
fallen rivet
Iron hands rn:
molten oasis
Oh supercharged slam is ass lol
fallen rivet
lol
molten oasis
If it goes into protect it does half your health
fallen rivet
Didn’t think of that
molten oasis
It’s like high jump kick
fallen rivet
Without the matching power
molten oasis
Mhmm
summer shore
If you use it into ground types same thing happens
But who cares lol
Just play better
fallen rivet
Another day, another physical electric type move L 😔
molten oasis
Real
fallen rivet
Just play better
Yos
molten oasis
I still think wild charge is better
fallen rivet
It probably is tbh
molten oasis
Literally sitting and looking at the team I have, man
It doesn’t feel outright shit into anything yet
Which I think will just be a thing while it’s early
fallen rivet
Ok fixed it
fallen rivet
Primarina is going to go hard without fini being in
molten oasis
Fs
autumn vault
raging bolt being the savior for comp players because it counters urshifu water and tornadus with thunder clap
fallen rivet
Raging bolt is very good
molten oasis
raging bolt being the savior for comp players because it counters urshifu water ...
Me over here with primarina and Hydrapple lol
fallen rivet
I’ll have to send in my paste later because I need to be asleep rn
woven zodiac
What do y’all think: archaludon AV set, max spa and spdef, with electro shot, dragon pulse, flash cannon and Draco m./aura sphere/some other coverage move
mighty stump
At least Terapagos on its own is gonna be good
mighty stump
What do y’all think: archaludon AV set, max spa and spdef, with electro shot, dr...
Electro Shot probably needs Rain support
Otherwise as a generalist set, Thunderbolt might be more consistent
molten oasis
Torn/pelipper and Archa sounds fun
mighty stump
I don’t know how I feel about Electro Shot yet
It’s like Meteor Beam
and a Power Herb set is definitely viable
molten oasis
Oh yea, cuz you do the damage and get the +1
mighty stump
But AV just feels extremely nice for Archaludon.
woven zodiac
Indeed, but I like working signature moves into Mon move sets
fallen rivet
Electro shot falls apart if the opposing whimsy or torn knows sunny day or has befriended an smoky turtle imo
autumn vault
rain trick room about to go crazy with archaludon electro shot
woven zodiac
Arch with Av is tanky as hell
woven zodiac
It doesn’t even need tr, it’s actually decently fast
molten oasis
Archa shouldnt be in tr imo
fallen rivet
I love how torn is currently one of the best speed controllers and weather controllers
molten oasis
The only actual tr Mon I think you should be using out of the new guys is Hydrapple
fallen rivet
Brother does it all
woven zodiac
85 base speed with those defences and the potential for a mixed attacker Av set
mighty stump
Like it could benefit off it but even on a single team without speed control youmre probably fine
autumn vault
stamina body press about to go crazy
cyan smelt
4 turns of fickle beam lmao
molten oasis
When I was looking for other members
fallen rivet
Stalwart to avoid rage powder 👀
cyan smelt
I want to use gouging fire
woven zodiac
I noticed how many things want av now
Arcahludon’s stat spread is great, and with Av the tankines skyrockets
molten oasis
Fs
woven zodiac
Fs?
molten oasis
For sure
woven zodiac
Like sarcastically?
molten oasis
No
woven zodiac
Oh ok
molten oasis
I think av Archa is awesome
woven zodiac
I like electro shot
molten oasis
In concept. Half of what anyone is cooking is kinda just early concepts
mighty stump
Stalwart to avoid rage powder 👀
You kinda want Stamina for BPress
autumn vault
archaludon taking a shot at the bar and making it electric
molten oasis
Since we have no clue how the meta is gonna form
mighty stump
Honestly, dunno how many new archetypes are going to appear
woven zodiac
Archaludon with body press (mixed attacker) doesn’t even need defence investment
molten oasis
idk if any would even happen tbh
woven zodiac
Stamina is very helpful
fallen rivet
You kinda want Stamina for BPress
Oh tru
mighty stump
Like I can see certain archetypes
molten oasis
Stamina makes that body press hit like a fucking train
mighty stump
But most of the mons that came are improvements for current archetypes
woven zodiac
In my testing that is very true
molten oasis
Agreed
mighty stump
At the same time certain mons like Incineroar makes it so your teams can be more flexible/niche
molten oasis
With the archetype thing
mighty stump
Just like any splashable mon
molten oasis
Incineroar is just that guy
fallen rivet
Things I have to deal with archaludon right now:
Chien pao (occasionally)
molten oasis
He makes your teams better
woven zodiac
If I use body press, I won’t run aura sphere probs
woven zodiac
Things I have to deal with archaludon right now:
Chien pao (occasionally)
Flash cannon
fallen rivet
Exactly lol
molten oasis
Idk if chien pao is an answer to Archa
woven zodiac
I run Tera flying on archa
molten oasis
My answer is blowing it up with primarina/Hydrapple lol
fallen rivet
Is literally all I have lul
molten oasis
Helping hand Fari is so fun
woven zodiac
Y’know why I use electro shot?
It’s archaludon’s only special boosting move
Actually does he get work up?
woven zodiac
My answer is blowing it up with primarina/Hydrapple lol
How often does fickle beam double in power?
molten oasis
It’s 30%
woven zodiac
Oh god
molten oasis
Which btw is really good lol
woven zodiac
Imagine it was a 10 pp move
molten oasis
Hydrapple also has the bulk to fish for it
woven zodiac
Hydrapple also has the bulk to fish for it
Av?
molten oasis
Yessir
Hydrapple @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 236 HP / 220 SpA / 52 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fickle Beam
- Giga Drain
- Earth Power
- Tera Blast
Lives freeze dry from bundle
woven zodiac
On how much?
molten oasis
Barely lol
woven zodiac
You’d click giga drain and it’d probs kill but
molten oasis
It’ll live gleam from manes, so that’s nice
molten oasis
You’d click giga drain and it’d probs kill but
Mhmm
molten oasis
It’ll live gleam from manes, so that’s nice
SOME manes
woven zodiac
Specs mane
molten oasis
It dies to specs which like, no surprise there
molten oasis
Yea that’s something I do miss on this team right now, I hate not having any natural fairy resists
woven zodiac
Perhaps
molten oasis
It’s neutral
woven zodiac
Wait no it’s dragon innit
woven zodiac
I despise heatran
Magma storm hitting every GODDAMN time on me
And I somehow couldn’t hit a single focus blast on it
molten oasis
Oof
woven zodiac
I briefly considered playing let’s go ou
200 power solar beam and no bullshit abilities
No focus sash either
molten oasis
I need to go settle on a 5th and 6th to test. Im clearly doing something correct already with the main 4
woven zodiac
What’s ur main 4
woven zodiac
U wnat more support or dps?
woven zodiac
If u wnat more offence try ogerpon
molten oasis
the type overlap.
molten oasis
I don’t love already having fwg core and then adding ogerpon
woven zodiac
What typically goes well with fwg
molten oasis
This is pretty much balance with tr as my speed control
woven zodiac
Trick room team offence
molten oasis
sure
woven zodiac
Ursaluna?
molten oasis
Idk how I feel about feeding into the tr mode
woven zodiac
Nah u need a physical attacker
woven zodiac
So tr is occasional?
molten oasis
I set tr every game lol
woven zodiac
So u can’t run fast attackers
molten oasis
No ok lemme explain
I lead Fari incin into just about everything because incin fake out is very free and usually keeps my Fari alive to set tr
However I know my team is bulky enough to take hits and run without tr
woven zodiac
Hmm
molten oasis
Tr is just very free a lot of the time
woven zodiac
You need to decide if you want to base ur team on tr
If you do taht it makes ur job much easier
Hoopa?
molten oasis
I don’t think I do. If I wanted to feed into tr id prob go for trick room offense
woven zodiac
No folds to u turn incinerar
molten oasis
With Hatt and Deedee (over Fari) and Ursa
woven zodiac
Ursa’s great
molten oasis
However I play balance, I look for defensive synergy
woven zodiac
U need a physical dps
molten oasis
Absolutely
woven zodiac
I see
cyan smelt
Hands?
woven zodiac
Hands could work
molten oasis
Av is taken by Hydrapple
woven zodiac
Oh
molten oasis
I considered it without av
woven zodiac
Band hands
woven zodiac
Yeah
molten oasis
And incin is also doing fake out
I considered rilla but, I have grass and fake out already
woven zodiac
Iron crown?
molten oasis
Hmm
molten oasis
Thats special tho
woven zodiac
Oh
cyan smelt
Boulder
molten oasis
ik mean ig it wouldn’t hurt to add more special as long as I add a physical attacke r
Uhm
Idk about boulder
I despise boulders typing
Defensively
woven zodiac
How bout kingambit
molten oasis
Rock psychic is dogshit
woven zodiac
Dang he’s neutral to fairy
woven zodiac
But he checks other boxes, such as being slow, powerful physical attacker etc
Meta gross can work with liek weakness policy
molten oasis
I want something fast here
woven zodiac
But ya got tr
molten oasis
Tr teams have fast mons
cyan smelt
Does psychic noise stop grassy terrain recovery?
molten oasis
This is, again, a balance team
molten oasis
Does psychic noise stop grassy terrain recovery?
Pretty sure it does
ig booster energy boulder could work maybe
woven zodiac
Ce titán?
molten oasis
I don’t think cetitan is good without snow
woven zodiac
On a tr he can be good
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
woven zodiac
How bout basculegion
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
woven zodiac
Sondo o?
woven zodiac
Dondozo?
molten oasis
Oh, no lol I fucking despise dondozo
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
molten oasis
Huh
woven zodiac
Honestly ur best bet is metagross
woven zodiac
Physical attacker that’s a natural fair resist
molten oasis
I wonder
woven zodiac
Folds to mane’s shadow ball though
molten oasis
Yk
woven zodiac
?
molten oasis
Iron boulder might not be half bad
woven zodiac
Back to this?
molten oasis
Doesn’t resist fsiry but it wipes mane first most of the time
woven zodiac
Run Tera steel
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
warm axle
Anyone here good at competitive and stuff can you dm me please I need help
tiny peak
Can someone help me with my team?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
tiny peak
If anyone can help me I'm running corviknight/rayquaza/zacian/hisuiun zoroark/maushold/gastrodon looking to tweak it and improve it dm me
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
summer rapids
Is archaludon meta?
ornate slate
Is archaludon meta?
The meta hasn’t developed yet.
coral agate
I wish they didn't put so much of its stats into speed
molten oasis
I’m gonna be in perpetual thinking to the end of time I have 0 clue what this team fucking needs
mighty stump
I’m looking at its Tera options
Id just offensively tera to whatever move type its signature is
molten oasis
Id just offensively tera to whatever move type its signature is
For boulder?
I’ll take it as for boulder lol
So rock Tera, that works ig
molten oasis
Yes
summer rapids
It really needs extra special defense though
It has the same special defense as bulbasaur
molten oasis
I’m looking at iron boulder just as fast offensive pressure
Mane can be rough since incin isn’t able to fske it out and it can blow up my farigiraf
If tr goes up im fine
I could also lead Hydrapple but Tera blast doesn’t ohko
Also, Tera is blown
mighty stump
Whats your team again
molten oasis
Whats your team again
I’m just, very stuck on what to add since I don’t feel like it just outright loses to anything atm
I’ve swept teams with primarina and Fari 4 times now
Hydrapple performed well with Fari and fake out support from incin in few games
Fari feels good, incin feels good
mighty stump
Fari feels good, incin feels good
Youve fallen for rhe curse
molten oasis
With incin?
mighty stump
Just add something that Flutter outright hates
mighty stump
Yeah same
molten oasis
Wow
This slot is kicking my ass lol
Wtf does flutter hate fighting that can’t also just blow the said thing up
molten oasis
Scarf shifu kinda works
molten oasis
Av is taken
mighty stump
Clear Amulet it
molten oasis
I think mane just beats non av hands
mighty stump
Just have a defensive Tera like Fire
nocturne holly
wait calyrex shadow is legal
molten oasis
hmm, ig
molten oasis
wait calyrex shadow is legal
No idiot caly (and it’s forms) are illegal
mighty stump
Reg F isn’t restricted yet
nocturne holly
can metagross work in tr
I don’t think I need rain actually
metagross incin rilla
mighty stump
I just put clesr amu on this hands, idk if I need to do calcs
I mean the Spdef rule is still valid
nocturne holly
is double FO ok
mighty stump
You can run CC and shit cause youre not tryna stay alive
mighty stump
is double FO ok
Yes
nocturne holly
bet
molten oasis
You can run CC and shit cause youre not tryna stay alive
Oh true
Welp
Time to find a 6th 🫠
My favorite part of teambuilding
mighty stump
Just slap something you like
molten oasis
man
dull ibex
https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1185576588478259200 ill chill for a bit
molten oasis
All the things I want to add stack fsiry weaknesses
dull ibex
honestly arch's bulk isnt that bad
mighty stump
All the things I want to add stack fsiry weaknesses
who cares
dull ibex
Archaludon @ Life Orb
Ability: Stalwart
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Flash Cannon
- Thunderbolt
- Protect
expiremental spread
I wonder is arch is good enough to be meta 🤔
molten oasis
Ok well, gambit it is for now https://pokepast.es/7b30f60784ae756b
nocturne holly
I’m gonna experiment with av body press stamina
nocturne holly
All the things I want to add stack fsiry weaknesses
drago what’s your incin spread evd for
molten oasis
Lives surging strikes
nocturne holly
Tera? Mystic water?
autumn vault
archaludon will make torn regret its life choices
molten oasis
Yes? It’s not my spread
nocturne holly
Yes? It’s not my spread
how would I know that
molten oasis
Idk. It’s been working for me so, use it if you want
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
dull ibex
Now I need to find a sixth and I dont want to stack weaknesses
mighty stump
Archaludon @ Life Orb
Ability: Stalwart
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: ...
oh dear
dull ibex
what?
dull ibex
what is the oh dear for
mighty stump
what is the oh dear for
oh dear
dull ibex
like the league champ
mighty stump
like the league champ
Wow I loce Oh Dear and Possum Stance
dull ibex
I should stream my matches
strange gyro
Archaludon @ Life Orb
Ability: Stalwart
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: ...
I would personally put Archaludon on a rain team so it has easy access to its new move
nocturne holly
what metagross spread do I go for
strange gyro
Electro Shot I believe
nocturne holly
what is its new move btw
Electric type solar beam but in rain
strange gyro
Yeah, that
dull ibex
the name bozo
nocturne holly
go home
dull ibex
oh its electro shot okay
mighty stump
I think I told Kumo and a few other people I just feel Electro Shot is bait
nocturne holly
who are you
mb “Lore Accurate Hariyama”
dull ibex
ringoid >
summer shore
I think I told Kumo and a few other people I just feel Electro Shot is bait
Agree
nocturne holly
I was just in awe of that name
summer shore
Cant be used well with that speed at least
mighty stump
I dont rlly wanna run Power Herb unless the payoff is massive
dull ibex
its time boys
mighty stump
Esp because its not STAB
dull ibex
itll be a buff to rain cores maybe
summer shore
I dont rlly wanna run Power Herb unless the payoff is massive
It would be not half bad if it had good speed
dull ibex
why is it mid speed 🤔
mighty stump
itll be a buff to rain cores maybe
Yeah but like
nocturne holly
what Tera for metagross
mighty stump
I dont deny its consistency in rain