Gyara and Hydrapple/Ogerpon could be fun
#competitive_discussion
molten oasis
Gyara intim support with twave dragon cheer waterfall and protect/temper flare
Hydrapple with scope lens
molten oasis
I plan to but I’m still not 100% sure how Fickle Beam works
whole ibex
Same
molten oasis
I’m not sure if it’s just double power crit or if it’s just a random chance to double in power but isn’t connected to crit
whole ibex
I wanna try assault vest
molten oasis
Oh I think av will be it’s go to item
With fickle beam giga drain earth power and then Tera steel Tera blast
Tera steel is perfect for it
mighty stump
Again
molten oasis
Removes all its weaknesses
mighty stump
Im fairly sure Fickle Beam is going to be 1/5 chance
molten oasis
I think so too that would make sense since it’s 5 heads
mighty stump
Like as far as an educated guess
cyan smelt
does anyone know where the hidden crystal cave is in area zero? it's got lots of items
mighty stump
Where the what huh
whole ibex
With fickle beam giga drain earth power and then Tera steel Tera blast
With dragon cheer, you might be able to get away with leaf storm and draco.
molten oasis
Why would you Draco if fickle is 160 (and is effected by crit rate)
mighty stump
With dragon cheer, you might be able to get away with leaf storm and draco.
yeah but with dragon cheer you might as well use your generalist moves cause you’re not a glass cannon nuker
whole ibex
Fair point
mighty stump
Thats the thing
whole ibex
Dragon cheer is boosted on dragon types I believe
Yeah
mighty stump
Like first
molten oasis
As you’re missing out on bulk or a damaging item
mighty stump
You’re fielding 2 Dragons to get maximum value
molten oasis
Gyara gets it
mighty stump
Gyara gets it
Then Gyara doesnt benefit off it
molten oasis
There’s a small selection of mons that aren’t dragons that get access
mighty stump
and I said maximum value
molten oasis
I used it in game
mighty stump
Thats even worse
mighty stump
Theres even less of a reason to run it cause now you only benefit a specific niche on your team that might not be guaranteed
mighty stump
and once you Tera you completely lose the ability to actually click Dragon Cheer
molten oasis
Hmm fair
mighty stump
Granted, there is the logic that its a non-single turn buff like Helping Hand
But Id rather click Helping Hand
whole ibex
I guess you could cheer ogre for ivy crudgel but again it’s gimmicky at best
molten oasis
Yea
mighty stump
I guess you could cheer ogre for ivy crudgel but again it’s gimmicky at best
That’s still only 50%
whole ibex
But Id rather click Helping Hand
I agree
molten oasis
Might as well helping hand
mighty stump
The other fun side of the gimmick if you want
molten oasis
Incin getting helping hand is wild to me
molten oasis
Oh yea thah could be fun
molten oasis
Regidrago lol
mighty stump
Scope Lens Tera Dragon Kingambit
molten oasis
Oh yea, arc didn’t have room
mighty stump
w Dragon Cheer
molten oasis
For hh usually
mighty stump
For hh usually
If it can Howl it can Helping Hand
molten oasis
Kingambit again be like “what’s a resist” enhanced further lol
whole ibex
Scope Lens Tera Dragon Kingambit
That can be funny
molten oasis
If it can Howl it can Helping Hand
True
I’m generally just brainstorming ways to use Hydrapple rn
whole ibex
I’m generally just brainstorming ways to use Hydrapple rn
Same
molten oasis
That’s my first Mon I’m gonna build around once it’s on showdown
Trick room+hydrapple sounds great
whole ibex
This guy knows what’s up^
whole ibex
Yeah
cyan smelt
hydrapple is one speed point slower than alolan exeggutor
molten oasis
Lmao
whole ibex
I was thinking about A-Exeggutor
molten oasis
It has regenerator
So I think it can have some good synergy with incin or scarf lando
Mostly incin, because intim and resists ice
whole ibex
What about RocK9?
whole ibex
Mostly incin, because intim and resists ice
That checks out
whole ibex
Yeah
molten oasis
Resists, oh shit
Harc resists everything Hydrapple is weak to
Except dragon
Harc might be better then
whole ibex
Damn I’m really on to something
molten oasis
That’s why I said incin first lol
mighty stump
INCIN ON TOP
whole ibex
He is him
mighty stump
FRAUDCANINE CAN GTFO
molten oasis
Lmfao
mighty stump
YOU KNOW WHAT INCIN HASv
whole ibex
FRAUDCANINE CAN GTFO
lol
junior pier
Evening all
molten oasis
(I’m half joking about hh)
mighty stump
Im like eh about it
junior pier
Also gets knock off
molten oasis
I want to do knock off flare blitz parting and fake out
With Hydrapple as a partner
I think Hydrapple could do some nasty plot stuff
whole ibex
I thought you were considering RocK9?
molten oasis
Not initially no
mighty stump
Meh
molten oasis
Oh
mighty stump
Id like Earth Power lol
mighty stump
Hitting Heatran/H-Arc kinda huge
molten oasis
Maybe it could do something like kommo-o
junior pier
I personally can't wait for Archaladon tbh
mighty stump
and not being walled by Gholdengo
molten oasis
Ep and grass
junior pier
AV makes it go brr in rain
molten oasis
Av makes it go brr period imo
cyan smelt
wonder if smeargle will be able to learn malignant chain
junior pier
In rain it's just a free +1 spatk plus high damage. Lowkey insane
Like Metier beam charging straight away in sand
molten oasis
and not being walled by Gholdengo
Being able to hit steel would be good yea
Ok here’s my thing with Archaludon
It looks great on rain
Otherwise you use dengo imo
whole ibex
Not initially no
For a second I felt like I was adding stuff to the discussion and not saying random shit /j
junior pier
Archa also takes on flutter easier without forcing a tera thou
molten oasis
Mmk
junior pier
Although
molten oasis
Archa also takes on flutter easier without forcing a tera thou
Archa prob still blows up to moonblast from it and beads, with av
Taking neutral from make is hard lol
junior pier
Yea true
mighty stump
Archaludon is an Urshifu check and I somewhat agree with Yotam on that
junior pier
Oh yea fr. What I'm sad about is that Araquanid doesn't get wave crash
molten oasis
Kinda 50/50
mighty stump
Not sure how it will actually play out in execution but
It makes sense
The logic is justifiable plus I can see if being beneficial behind screens with Sinistcha
molten oasis
No I agree, +1 electro shot should always kill shifu
mighty stump
Im unsure if id even run Electro Shot
molten oasis
If it’s not in rain I don’t think you do
mighty stump
Seems meh unless you specifically built for it, have charge turn + Power Herb requirement if not Rain
Pretty bad
molten oasis
Yea agreed
junior pier
Like lunala were running
molten oasis
It’s also not bulky enough to just have it on its movepool
molten oasis
Specially not really, av helps for sure
junior pier
TR?
molten oasis
Idk if it’s enough
mighty stump
Thats why im saying screens
molten oasis
It’s too fast for tr atm, I think
mighty stump
Its already favourable into Tornadus
junior pier
I'm building hat/dee enforce rn with peli, Araquanid and Duraladon
molten oasis
Grimm Archa?
junior pier
I think something like that could work
mighty stump
Grimm/Archa/Sinistcha
junior pier
*archa
molten oasis
Or a9 Archa
mighty stump
Lando-T
molten oasis
Prob grimm cuz a9 sadly feels meh, thanks torn
mighty stump
Prob grimm cuz a9 sadly feels meh, thanks torn
Grimm is way better
molten oasis
Here’s my take on psyspam upcoming. A fast mode is viable with Iron Crown, and then HattDeedee will be strong
mighty stump
We hyped up A9 cause of AVeil only to realise Grimm is better even without running Screens
junior pier
Iron valiant also got eforce
junior pier
RABSCA got buffed buy getting it (base 125 attack)
molten oasis
We hyped up A9 cause of AVeil only to realise Grimm is better even without runni...
For sure
mighty stump
I dislike E-Force being widely available again
molten oasis
Idk if rabasca gets usage because of eforce
mighty stump
Because this means Shadow Rider is getting it
molten oasis
I dislike E-Force being widely available again
Agreed, feels rough knowing psyspam has options now lmao
whole ibex
RABSCA got buffed buy getting it (base 125 attack)
I don’t think Rabsca will be better
molten oasis
Aww hell not shadow rider
mighty stump
Like the play isn’t really going to alter
whole ibex
I dislike E-Force being widely available again
I agree
mighty stump
Incineroar just wins out for you
Realistically making it comfortable to move around
molten oasis
Incineroar is just, the answer to all your problems
junior pier
I mean psychic hits everything except dark type, which rabsca also hits for stab
mighty stump
Incineroar is just, **the answer to all your problems**
That’s what I’m saying
junior pier
I love spread damage tbh
whole ibex
I mean psychic hits everything except dark type, which rabsca also hits for stab
But it gets hard counter be Incin
junior pier
Btw I did calcs. Incin loses to my regidrago
whole ibex
Not the problem
Wolfe thinks otherwise for some reason
cyan smelt
i wanna use gouging fire
molten oasis
fake out
mighty stump
**fake out**
Its the Bravado team Drago
molten oasis
Then hurt it with partner
mighty stump
Its a psyspam Drago team
molten oasis
Oh the psyspam one
junior pier
Yea
mighty stump
What are you faking out in Terrain
molten oasis
Oh did you do the Regidrago psyspam stuff?
junior pier
Tbh I think I could use the team in reg F and still do well
Yea I created it and top 4d Brisbane
mighty stump
Are you only realising thsi now Drago
molten oasis
Oh shit
molten oasis
Are you only realising thsi now Drago
Yes, did not realize til just now lmao
I think I missed that convo if that happened
mighty stump
💀 We’ve already discussed this team in depth multiple times with Prog too
molten oasis
I’m dumb lol
molten oasis
Well now I know 
mighty stump
Jay likes it, idk Prog’s feelings about it
junior pier
I'm talked about?
mighty stump
If regarding relevant discussion in this channel
molten oasis
Prog likes it I think
junior pier
Prof massaged me and then blocked me 💀
mighty stump
I'm talked about?
People were discussing the team since its another Psyspam variant
junior pier
Prog
mighty stump
I think some parties liked it and other parties were kinda whatever about it
junior pier
Messaged*
whole ibex
I mean psychic hits everything except dark type, which rabsca also hits for stab
I also feel like it’s either wanting revival blessing or Protect for it last move slot unless you’re not running TR. I did wanted to use it myself but I have doubts on Rabsca.
molten oasis
What’s eh about it to ya?
mighty stump
What’s eh about it to ya?
Tofu doesnt like Scarf Regidrsgo
molten oasis
Lmfao
mighty stump
Like Choice’d Regidrago is preference for me and it feels rough
molten oasis
I think Regidrago is rough to pilot in general
cyan smelt
so many new dragon types lol
junior pier
Prof massaged me and then blocked me 💀
He wanted to build Psyspam for reg F but when he asked me questions he said I was being confesending 😅
I got screenshots to prove I wasnt
mighty stump
Like knowing it was choice scarf’d too meant I wasnt as concerned about it being able to protect and stuff
molten oasis
so many new dragon types lol
They’re all viable too, hopefully
junior pier
I think Regidrago is rough to pilot in general
Definition of do or die
junior pier
I don't see how it won't be
cyan smelt
fickle beam just for that chance to be 160 bp
junior pier
What's the chance do we know yet?
whole ibex
I don't see how it won't be
It’s QaUd WeaK tO icE /j
junior pier
20% is insane
junior pier
It’s QaUd WeaK tO icE /j
So is lando tbh
whole ibex
So is lando tbh
Ik it’s a joke
junior pier
Pao is 4x weak to fighting.
That's the argument I use when people say something is 4x weak
junior pier
Ik it’s a joke
Yea ik. 😭 Sorry I didn't mean it negatively
mighty stump
But yeah, anyways time to return my focus on a non-meta Emboar team to only barely graze top 500 Bo3 ladder and cry about it
whole ibex
Yea ik. 😭 Sorry I didn't mean it negatively
Ok 👍
molten oasis
But yeah, anyways time to return my focus on a non-meta Emboar team to only bare...
Lmfao
mighty stump
Enjoy this unhinged edit of Espurr
molten oasis
You’re crafting?
mighty stump
Crafting is a strong word
junior pier
What do we think about the funniest dozo counter with topsy turvy Malamar?
molten oasis
Theorizing?
mighty stump
Im just noting things down ideas in advance
molten oasis
Ah ok
mighty stump
but im still@playing DLC lol i need to complete the dex
and unlock two more regions
molten oasis
What do we think about the funniest dozo counter with topsy turvy Malamar?
I think dozo should die fuck dondozo
junior pier
Lmaoo
molten oasis
sure
mighty stump
okie bet
cyan smelt
bbqing has single-handedly revived union circle
junior pier
Alright I gotta walk home. I'll ttyl
mighty stump
Take care
molten oasis
Gl on the walk home
molten oasis
bbqing has single-handedly revived union circle
Yea for a week lol
Does Galarian wreath evolve slowpoke into slowbro?
whole ibex
Does Galarian wreath evolve slowpoke into slowbro?
Yes
mighty stump
@molten oasis BBQ?
molten oasis
Right now?
mighty stump
When else?
mighty stump
Idm if you're busy lol
molten oasis
Well I’m eating
mighty stump
oh dw'
mighty stump
This is the channel for that.
limpid trench
This is the channel for that.
Is it bad to have 3 Pokémon w the same weakness on a team?
Sorry I’m tryna learn as much as I can n I have a few questions
mighty stump
Is it bad to have 3 Pokémon w the same weakness on a team?
Not necessarily, depending on the relevancy of the weaknesses.
Tera exists and with careful Piloting you can play around the weaknesses if you have the tools accounting for them
molten oasis
@mighty stump ready to go whenever
molten oasis
Imagine not buying the dlc
dull ibex
alright that joke is old
buy the dlc or shut up about it please
anyways
EVs: 244 HP / 116 Atk / 44 Def / 20 SpD / 84 Spe apparently this is my incin spread
im almost tempted to just keep this
cyan smelt
i'm keen to try archaludon/pelipper/kingdra
dull ibex
https://pokepast.es/c6f25e3fe705153d my sets atm
mighty stump
unset it rn
dull ibex
what
mighty stump
nerd
dull ibex
taunt might be better on whim but fake tears is funny with mane
oh and ghold if go that route
vc?
mighty stump
@dull ibex get ready to get in
dull ibex
oh based
limpid trench
<@372191031044866051> get ready to get in
When making a team what should I consider favorites or more what’s meta?
mighty stump
Meta, always
limpid trench
Cuz Ngl I do b wanting to use some favs😭
mighty stump
Favourites don't alwyas tend to work unless they have a specific niche that can be done
limpid trench
Damnn ok that makes sense
mighty stump
It also means your team will overall be either less consistent, or requires more skilled piloting
limpid trench
Ahhhhh what would u say the best core for a team is ?
I looked online n it said walls, sweepers n support
mighty stump
Standard FWG like Urshifu/Rillaboom/H-Arcanine can really round out a lot of teams by itself.
limpid trench
FWG?
limpid trench
I’m so dumb LMAO
limpid trench
So those guys on the same team they sound fun to use tbh
mighty stump
to fully round it out you can run Iron Hands and tada
itll work to almost a consistent degree
Cause tyheyre just sthat solid
limpid trench
Damn that sounds like straight offense I love it
mighty stump
Other more offensive cores are like, Tornadus/Urshifu/Flutter Mane for Tailwind
Hyper Offense
Less bulky, less utility, more damage
limpid trench
R teams that focus on offense more reliable than like weather teams
I always thought those were cool not my style I think tho
I’m interested n urshifu now😂
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
cyan smelt
we don't know yet what the chances are
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
mighty stump
R teams that focus on offense more reliable than like weather teams
Reliability kinda is based on the pieces youre using but also how you pilot
Which is why consistency is a really good metric of player skill
limpid trench
Which is why consistency is a really good metric of player skill
Damn there’s a lot that goes into battles it’s so interesting
I thought people just slapped teams together n battles before😭
grizzled pilot
Why was decorate alcremie not more popular seems pretty broken to me
mighty stump
I thought people just slapped teams together n battles before😭
Defintely not
mighty stump
Why was decorate alcremie not more popular seems pretty broken to me
Execution of the gameplan is necessary to be considered
Like how likely are you going to pull this off because poeple will also know about it
keen karma
Like how likely are you going to pull this off because poeple will also know abo...
Do you have any ideas for incin movesets
mighty stump
Fake Out/Knock Off/Flare Blitz/Parting Shot
Or you opt for Taunt over Knock Off
AV would run U-Turn
and Snarl also works if you want that
keen karma
Wht abt hh
mighty stump
Meh
Could be good since Fake Out pressure forces opposing FO users to click it into you
bronze niche
hi im new to competitive and i got some questions
what makes hearthglame ogerpon need jolly mint?
why not a setup with adamant nature?
mighty stump
If you're going setup, you're already increasing your damage output, so being the fastest thing there would be best.
Also, since you already have built in-setup with Embody Aspect, you can take advantage of that by being fastest Ogerpon especially in mirrors as well
dapper girder
Anyone here experienced in ranked 3v3 I want to get into competitive and wanted someone to check a team I built and needed some advice and tips dm me If you can help
obtuse violet
Should Archaludon have 0 Speed IV or nah?
keen karma
Anyone here experienced in ranked 3v3 I want to get into competitive and wanted ...
Never played triples
dapper girder
Never played triples
It’s single battle stadium you only bring 3
next stump
Should Archaludon have 0 Speed IV or nah?
IMO no
eager minnow
Can anybody recommend me an incineroar build? ( double battle)
keen karma
I like that they made raging bolt 20 iv in all stats
eager minnow
I literally hatched the most perfect litten to me, 5v and only sp attack not 31
keen karma
That way you dont really have to farm for 0 in any of them
minor otter
What stats does regigigas want besides atk
obtuse violet
Should metagros have 0 Speed IV?
keen karma
It doesnt need it
next stump
What stats does regigigas want besides atk
everything besides SpA
minor otter
Oh god so no 2 max spread?
minor otter
252 252
next stump
yeah gigas probably just wants 252ATK/SPE with jolly nature in competitive
that’s what it ran last gen
minor otter
Yeah I build it for the dlc
eager minnow
So yea what incineroar build should I do for double battle?
minor otter
So do I pair it with normal weezing or galar weezing also what stats are important for it
bold geode
So yea what incineroar build should I do for double battle?
Rn we ain't sure, but you want it to be bulky for sure
dapper girder
Do you guys reckon archaludon will actually be good he is still to fragile on special side :/
bold geode
AV
obtuse violet
Av
dapper girder
I already av holder :/
eager minnow
Rn we ain't sure, but you want it to be bulky for sure
Need special stat spread? Or else I will go for full hp and atk
bold geode
Need special stat spread? Or else I will go for full hp and atk
You wanna mostly do like a decent bit of HP and in defenses cuz the main goal for Incineroar ain't much attacking as it is being utility
keen karma
I just say fuck it too and run Eviolite Duraludon <:Elmo:1079140534200844298>
its gonna get shit on by my ogerpon hate to break it to ya
more bbq's today?
bold geode
its gonna get shit on by my ogerpon hate to break it to ya
- Nah not really
- Nah I only got like an hour before I gotta go to work
minor otter
So different plan which ev besides sp atk for shadow rider
bold geode
Yeah no Incineroar is NOT a Special attacker
(Says my Modest Incineroar with 0IV Spatk)
But yeah cuz it's main shtick is cycling Intimidate like fucking crazy with combos of Fake Out/Parting Shot
It's role compression to a fuckin T
minor otter
Still unsure if I go with def or speed on shadow rider
next stump
incin builds are usually near max HP, a little ATK, a little DEF, and the rest into SpD and SPE
bold geode
What's Shadow Rider even
keen karma
1. Nah not really
2. Nah I only got like an hour before I gotta go to work
later dude im not even home
minor otter
Calyrax
bold geode
Calyrex is not gonna be legal
minor otter
For dlc atm
bold geode
For dlc atm
You're doing for story?
minor otter
Yeah
keen karma
oh then just run max max
bold geode
Then do whatever you want it really don't matter
minor otter
With Yun Yun
keen karma
im so happy i finished my dlc dex
mighty stump
incin builds are usually near max HP, a little ATK, a little DEF, and the rest i...
Make it live Surging Strike for chadness
keen karma
Make it live Surging Strike for chadness
is that even possible? intim doesnt do shit to shifu
mighty stump
it is
mighty stump
Mystic Water
keen karma
Mystic Water
bro how
mighty stump
no tera btw
keen karma
are you trolling
mighty stump
nope
keen karma
are you running like a water damage reducing berry
eager minnow
Is this incineroar set good enough?
keen karma
can i see the set actually
mighty stump
Is this incineroar set good enough?
- Competitive is played at level 50 so this set will be wasting EVs
- Missing Fire STAB, Outrage is not a good move for Incineroar.
- Wrong nature and Ability
- What is it calc'd for?
mighty stump
can i see the set actually
Not at the moment unfortunately
mighty stump
nvm i just figured it out
yep iuts pretty easy
azure hornet
I wanna use a competitive doubles team using the mons I like, but they are VERY slow, For now I have:
- Chandelure (trick room setter, with focus sash)
- Bloodmoon Ursaluna (using troat spray)
- Armarouge (set undecided)
Which other mons/sets should I use?
mighty stump
I wanna use a competitive doubles team using the mons I like, but they are VERY ...
Armarouge is forced to run with Indeedee-F for redirection to guarantee Trick Room going up.
Iron Hands Is useful while Lillikoal can give you an alternative ffast mode.
Hatterene can also benefit off of Indeedee-F having to be used.
eager minnow
- Competitive is played at level 50 so this set will be wasting EVs
- Missing Fi...
Me the total noob to non full ev spread: oh just idk
azure hornet
Hatterene can also benefit off of Indeedee-F having to be used.
Thanks
mighty stump
Me the total noob to non full ev spread: oh just idk
Well unfortunately builds are in short supply as they don't currently exist as the format also does not exist. You can potentially reference old Gen 8 sets but I suggest you just wait.
eager minnow
- Competitive is played at level 50 so this set will be wasting EVs
- Missing Fi...
Oh wait yea I didn’t see the blaze..
Thx for the reminder
Yea changed it, copied the ev spread from online
This time is intimidate not blaze 
mighty stump
Set it for level 50, it's still wasting EVs
And if you do get it online, make sure you know/understand what thresholds the EVs are for
eager minnow
I saw the yt video seriously, he said it is his fav set 
bold geode
Yea changed it, copied the ev spread from online
So the reason why you're wasting is for level 50, for EVs it's 4 EVs for first stat point, then 8 EVs for everyone after that
We go off of that for comp stuff since VGC is set to lvl 50 automatically
You're wasting 4 EVs in defense
-calc (72-4)/8
gentle cragBOT
Result: 8.500000
eager minnow
So the reason why you're wasting is for level 50, for EVs it's 4 EVs for first s...
For the first time of every stat?
bold geode
For the first stat point of the one you invest into
So for the HP stat, the first 4 you put into that stat gave you a stat point
Then every 8 EVs after that that you put in there gives a stat point
keen karma
this is just calced for tera fairy mb from specs flutter
bold geode
Anyways that equation I did
If the amount of EVs you put into a stat
If you plug it into x and that equation does not equal a whole number, then it's wasting
Also it's a general rule that if you invest in 4 stats, you're wasting
3 or 5
For this situation it's easy, all you gotta do is just take 4 out of the defense and put it into speed
keen karma
Anyways that equation I did
If the amount of EVs you put into a stat
If you plug...
so im wasting evs
eager minnow
For this situation it's easy, all you gotta do is just take 4 out of the defense...
Thx a lot!
bold geode
Yup
eager minnow
I learnt a lot from you just now 
bold geode
Glad to help
mighty stump
I saw the yt video seriously, he said it is his fav set <:PikaLmao:6789907855004...
What youtube video?
mighty stump
Glad to help
Damn Monke good job
keen karma
Damn Monke good job
is calcing to live specs flutter tera fairy 252 spa modest mb a good for incin?
mighty stump
Yes
keen karma
k
bold geode
Damn Monke good job
Thx sir
keen karma
is calcing to live specs flutter tera fairy 252 spa modest mb a good for incin?
228 hp 76+ spd lives
eager minnow
What youtube video?
May I dm you the link? ( not doing advertising)
mighty stump
No it's fine, I'm not particularly interested in finding out the source
eager minnow
Ok
keen karma
No it's fine, I'm not particularly interested in finding out the source
bro i didnt realize just said you could live shifu with sitrus
keen karma
i didnt think abt that
karmic temple
🤭🤭
keen karma
why dont damage calcs consider that button
mighty stump
Free teaching moment
mighty stump
My only thing about splitting is that are you being efficient with EVs
keen karma
spd was just for ursaluna lucky roll that you live but 76+ lives the flutter thing i said earlier
other 108 lives + 1 drain punch from hands
bold geode
My only thing about splitting is that are you being efficient with EVs
Tofu I'm kinda worried for Reg F lol
Take a guess: do you think Ape logic might still work?
bold geode
That Ape can be good in this format
Be nice against Incineroar, but there's also a good amount of new stuff too
smoky hawk
this is just calced for tera fairy mb from specs flutter
Careful nature, right?
keen karma
Careful nature, right?
yes
smoky hawk
What about bug tera for incin?
Resists ground and fighting
Grass could work too, resists ground and water
And it does better against amoonguss
bold geode
What about bug tera for incin?
Nah I'd say Grass
That or Water, possibly Poison or Fairy
But Grass cuz you want to dodge Spore and also resist Urshifu if you can
nocturne holly
when is Sableye bot gonna be updated
smoky hawk
But incineroar will be highly relevant
And people don't usually appreciate having to tera their support mon
tired sage
maybe…
defiant mons might counter incin
smoky hawk
Which could mean a rise of booster bundle with freeze dry
tired sage
well counter isn’t the right word…
mighty stump
I mean
smoky hawk
Kingambit will be valuable too, yeah
tired sage
yeah that’s true
mighty stump
Especially if its Kingambit, cause you just run Hands
smoky hawk
And annihilape... which btw I'm going to try with whimsy beat up
mighty stump
Daring today are we
keen karma
And annihilape... which btw I'm going to try with whimsy beat up
Annihilape is a horrible mu for incin all around
smoky hawk
It's fighting type
nocturne holly
I wanna cook with archaludon
Also wanna try alcremie
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
nocturne holly
RIP doesn’t get follow me
keen karma
Doesnt need
smoky hawk
Smeargle with decorate will mean alcremie is irrelevant.
keen karma
Smeargle with decorate will mean alcremie is irrelevant.
No it wont
Alcremie actually has bulk
mighty stump
Sweet Veil is a nice ability.
keen karma
Sweet Veil is a nice ability.
Is that the taunt one?
keen karma
Isnt aroma veil also pretty good
Free dark tera/mental
But also you like do no damage
Alcremie + annihilape ig
bold geode
And annihilape... which btw I'm going to try with whimsy beat up
Quit stealing my shit
keen karma
Or alcremis + tw or tr setter
smoky hawk
Quit stealing my shit
What about tera ghost annihilape with weakness policy for whimsy's beat up?
nocturne holly
Doesnt need
It would be good for a support set
bold geode
What about tera ghost annihilape with weakness policy for whimsy's beat up?
Get that shit out my face 
smoky hawk
Isnt aroma veil also pretty good
I suppose alcremie could be used to help its partner set up and deal with amoonguss
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
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leaden lake
What's a good ev spread for this malamar set https://pokepast.es/113849fcaaa0ee8b
karmic temple
Is there any news on what gets Upper Hand
Ye serebii has it updated
leaden lake
The auto suggest is max attack and hp but I'm wondering if it needs more bulk. Will definitely need a defensive tera type.like steel
karmic temple
Doesn’t look like any paradoxes get it unless they’re still updating
bold geode
Ye serebii has it updated
Can show?
smoky hawk
https://serebii.net/attackdex-sv/upperhand.shtml
List is missing iron hands 😲
karmic temple
Ya I said it looks like paradoxes haven’t been updated for it yet
smoky hawk
But pikachu learns it lol
smoky hawk
Blaziken is my all time fav pokemon
Speed boost fire chicken with upper hand could put in work
smoky hawk
That said, tera normal dnite and chien-pao both don't want to take an upper hand
keen karma
Tell me what Inner Focus does
You ignore intimidate!
mighty stump
Dnite doesn't have to tera, Chien-Pao can tera ghost
keen karma
im so smart!
mighty stump
im so smart!
Well done! You can tell me the second part right
I dunno, I don't wanna field a subpar mon to just run Upper Hand when you could run something else
nocturne holly
dude metagross is gonna be so fun
keen karma
upper hand feels like its gonna be so mid
smoky hawk
But if dnite wanted to tera, it foils their strat. And it goes before even espeed which is the most important point
keen karma
unless you absolutely pin them to the point that they have to use priority
which is highly unlikely
keen karma
especially in ots
mighty stump
Cause you either have to call that they;'re gonna click Prio
or they don't click Prio and call your Upper Hand
smoky hawk
It's not a counter, no
smoky hawk
dude metagross is gonna be so fun
I'll be using it in my first reg F team
mighty stump
But if dnite wanted to tera, it foils their strat. And it goes before even espee...
The question is:
- Is it worth running one of these mons to beat Paonite and sacrifice other matchups
- Is it worth running an entire moveslot for that purpose
Cause I think that has to be considered
smoky hawk
Cause I think that has to be considered
Can't argue there. What about switching to an upper hand user after dnite goes tera normal?
keen karma
so far in mind i think excadrill ttar wells and incin
smoky hawk
Then they could have a problem
keen karma
if raging is legal instantly slotting that on
mighty stump
Upper Hand probably would only be meant to deal damage so hopefully the user can take out a Dnite next to Chien-Pao
So in that aspect, is the useful one
nocturne holly
I'll be using it in my first reg F team
So many options
My top picks rn are metagross and archaludon
I don’t think I can run them on the same team tho
mighty stump
Technically you can also use Upper Hand to stop Pranksters from being able to setup
But Torns run Covert Cloak and resists Upper Hand
keen karma
is fwg and fantasy on the same team even possible
mighty stump
so will Whims
keen karma
in terms of being good
smoky hawk
I don’t think I can run them on the same team tho
You could. Rain helps both of them
nocturne holly
You could. Rain helps both of them
I guess
keen karma
i imagine zacian will be good with that but like
nocturne holly
I just don’t wanna make spreads lmao
keen karma
idk abt fantasy + fwg
smoky hawk
Technically you can also use Upper Hand to stop Pranksters from being able to se...
Good point. Whims wants to use sash. But upper hand would make it want to use covert cloak
Or it uses tera ghost?
mighty stump
It probably will use tera ghost
smoky hawk
I suppose that's the answer
keen karma
wait is this promo?
mighty stump
Can we not promote Blaines videos here
keen karma
sorry abt that
mighty stump
No problem
bold geode
is fwg and fantasy on the same team even possible
My last rental did that
mighty stump
What was it about anyways
keen karma
My last rental did that
rentals?
keen karma
What was it about anyways
a bunch of tera shards
some place in terapagos lair
like a floor full of stuff
mighty stump
Oh yeah that stuff
keen karma
i like how they kinda made the kitakami charm pointless
when you can just get a raids worth of shards on the ground
unless the charm contributes to that
mighty stump
I thnk the charm contributes to that
nocturne holly
yeah I’m gonna use metagross first
I’m gonna start hunting for the shiny
Metagross and archaludon both have fucking sick shinies
keen karma
im gonna shiny hunt metagross today
since i have nothing left to do with the dex
and petcharunt is confirmed to be a event exclusive unfortunately
keen karma
i caught mine in a pokeball
mighty stump
Ew
keen karma
i wanted to use a loveball
karmic temple
I can give you a fast ball when I’m off work tofu if you need it
keen karma
for masterball being the best ball it sure looks like dogshit
mighty stump
#trading_rules cause im too lazy to find the channel
keen karma
im gonna try catching all the legends in a beast ball
mighty stump
#trading_sv_shiny also because im lazy
keen karma
been here for the longest still dont have the role removed :/
oh well i can just ask my cousins anyways
nocturne holly
since i have nothing left to do with the dex
You’re done with the dex? What do you get from it
keen karma
You’re done with the dex? What do you get from it
raging bolt and gouging flame
well im kinda done still need starters
idk what you get from cyrano tho
you get a mark charm
mighty stump
been here for the longest still dont have the role removed :/
Just ask the mods lol
smoky hawk
I just don’t wanna make spreads lmao
I'm interested in such a rain team myself. But I also want to use fire chicken (Blaziken) and I can't do both on one team
keen karma
starters are surprisingly easy to find
keen karma
i was scared it would take me forever based on the union circle yesterday
they're more annoying to catch
everyone so far i have had to end up throwing at least 5 ultra balls at 1hp
smoky hawk
There are no version exclusives in the dlc, are there?
pliant ruin
There are
keen karma
im pretty sure sandshrew alola
but like that should be it
no exclusive starters
that i know of
keen karma
no thats it
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Rampardos/Shield bitch
i found those at the same place
mighty stump
It should
keen karma
because i found them together
mighty stump
Thats why you Union Circle
keen karma
slowbro and slowking were annoying as shit
smoky hawk
Good news for me is that in pokemon home I probably have all these mons
keen karma
i was running around for 30 minutes just to realize i have to time advance to get galarica twigs to respawn
keen karma
Cyndaquil was mildly annoying
wait where is cyndaquil
pliant ruin
In an ice cave I think
mighty stump
wait where is cyndaquil
Polar Biome
In this one cave
At least rerollling legends IVs is easier
Lmao
smoky hawk
BB academy artificially brings many pokemon together. Might as well be a zoo
But it's a good storyline excuse to bring back so many mon
keen karma
At least rerollling legends IVs is easier
you dont have to worry abt paradoxes either since they are 20 in all ivs
for whatever reason
i was gonna reroll for raging bolt until i remembered that
mighty stump
What do you mean, they're guaranteed 20 always in all IVs?
keen karma
yep
mighty stump
Why in the fuck
keen karma
at least that's how it worked for my gouging flame and raging
they were both 20 in all
i remember seeing it in the shiny locks list
"Due to a potential entry error by Game Freak, the Snacksworth Legendary encounters have no guaranteed flawless IVs when generated.
They are assigned to have 3 flawless IVs on capture, but their IV generation method is left to standard, so the flawless IVs are ignored..." - It's possibly a bug according to the github
keen karma
Don't the paradoxes, like legendaries, have 3 perfect IVs?
no paradoxes are all 20
6 20 iv's
nocturne holly
raging bolt and gouging flame
wait for both versions
tame inlet
Has anyone tried the new stellar tera?
nocturne holly
like scarlet and violet
keen karma
wait for both versions
what?
tame inlet
Curious to know how it fairs in comp
tame inlet
Even in normal battles, no one’s tried it?
keen karma
i dont know
bold geode
Curious to know how it fairs in comp
It's just gonna be used purely offensively so
tired sage
stellar tera is offensive tera..
this is looking from the npc battles we do
bold geode
It literally has no defensive value
tired sage
it looks like you’ll just stay the same type but you get tera stab on all moves
keen karma
status moves hit through gouging flame's sig...
bold geode
it looks like you’ll just stay the same type but you get tera stab on all moves
Once per type
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
tired sage
look familiar?
tired sage
oh wait shadow shield and multiscale does the same thing
i thought multiscale was just for SE moves
bold geode
tired sage
bold geode
No multiscale is just a general thing lol
When I figured out the ability, I literally was like "that's just multiscale"
tired sage
i saw it and my brain ignored multiscale and thought shadow shield
bold geode
I didn't even know what Shadow Shield was tbh
tired sage
they’re the same thing with different name but still
lunala’s signature ability i think
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
bold geode
Yeah
keen karma
wait i just spoiled mb
check google or try talking to perrin
unless you are asking where they are
mighty stump
no
hearty zealot
Should I try to make a competitive team with 0 experience
mighty stump
im not askig. where they are
mighty stump
Should I try to make a competitive team with 0 experience
You’re welcome to try, you’ll be very lost. Its usually recommended to use rentals to see how teams are meant to function and understand the tools required in the metagame
hearty zealot
You’re welcome to try, you’ll be very lost. Its usually recommended to use renta...
I use rentals a lot so I know but by 0 experience I mean it’s my first competitive team I am creating
keen karma
im not askig. where they are
i can send them since i have ss
mighty stump
i can send them since i have ss
send
mighty stump
I use rentals a lot so I know but by 0 experience I mean it’s my first competiti...
Again, welcome to try, and could always let us give it feedback first if you want to know how it goes.
mighty stump
thank
nocturne holly
YOOO
mighty stump
Burning Bulwark doesnt stop status LOL
also apparently Iron Boulder’s signature hits through protect
nocturne holly
I can shiny hunt duraludon AND beldum at the same time
keen karma
Burning Bulwark doesnt stop status LOL
yes
nocturne holly
I think
keen karma
i hope its a bug
keen karma
I can shiny hunt duraludon AND beldum at the same time
i mean
just buy the sandwich from the cafeteria
you can shiny hunt any pokemon
its an all types sparkling boost
do shifu's go full atk?
rn
nocturne holly
its an all types sparkling boost
Yea but it’s not gonna increase beldum spawns
I can do a steel shiny power and encounter power sandwich and get more beldum and diraludon spawns
keen karma
im shiny hunting beldum and litten today
keen karma
we can do it in the same circle if you want
nocturne holly
I’m on the last one
keen karma
that way it goes faster
nocturne holly
we can do it in the same circle if you want
Bet
When are you free?
mighty stump
i gotta hunt a tepig
keen karma
like in around an hour
nocturne holly
like in around an hour
Should work for me
keen karma
i found a shiny tepig yesterday when i was just running around collecting
full fucking odds my second shiny that day
i really should get the shiny charm
i might complete paldea dex this weekend
as long as there aren't like 5000 trade evo's
mighty stump
cool got Bolt and Flame
mighty stump
Friend and Fast
orchid falcon
I figured this would be a place to ask this
So i have a Shiny Necrozma from the old event (Which im pretty sure is real) and i wanted to use it for restricted. Its fully legal and has 3IVs and i was gonna EV train it. Is it fine if im using this if its possibly genned or cloned? I have a strong feeling its legit and nothing sus abt it (No OP stuff)
keen karma
how many of those did you have?
mighty stump
I figured this would be a place to ask this
So i have a Shiny Necrozma from the...
Its fine.
mighty stump
I wouldnt bring it to an event if you’re suspicious, but if you’re sure enough its not
Then yes
Even if it was, it makes 0 competitive difference
mighty stump
how many of those did you have?
2 and 5 respectively
keen karma
im never bringing another mon from anyone else to an event unless they are close to me
im not gonna be embarrassed for having a hacked mon at an event that i couldn't control because i didnt know
orchid falcon
Also is it fine to use online in Ranked?
keen karma
Also is it fine to use online in Ranked?
probably
mighty stump
Yea
keen karma
they have like no anticheat unless you use like a blatantly hacked mon
and im pretty sure those slide kinda too
orchid falcon
k thx guys
mighty stump
It used to with Ogerpon before it got patched
keen karma
Ive faced against like 3 shiny bms
keen karma
Yea
nocturne holly
wait what are the exclusives
mighty stump
How am I supposed to transfer them
keen karma
Hone
mighty stump
I don’t have the violet exclusive paradoz
keen karma
Home*
keen karma
I mean like transfer from scarlet to violet
nocturne holly
@keen karma where do I make a tm
mighty stump
I did not buy two games
keen karma
<@295039349123317770> where do I make a tm
Central
keen karma
I did not buy two games
Oh are you trading for them
nocturne holly
thx
mighty stump
Oh are you trading for them
Touch trading
keen karma
Touch trading
What is that
dull haven
A touch trade is where you trade to a person and they give you your mon right back
bold geode
Lemme just go find Iron Boulder in gen 5
Can you get mine there too
smoky hawk
Raging bolt and gouging fire are exclusives... good luck to everyone catching them all
There will have to be trading of those two for the purpose of completing the dex
I have both games but I wasn't planning to play the dlc on both
More time and money... hmm...
bold geode
A touch trade is where you trade to a person and they give you your mon right ba...
Hey Khuja
So I've reset and caught 30 shiny Zekrom.....
smoky hawk
Are raging bolt and gouging fire both looking competitive?
For someone to have both on one team will show dedication
bold geode
🤷♂️
smoky hawk
Also iron crown and iron boulder
keen karma
Are raging bolt and gouging fire both looking competitive?
Entei looks better imo but raging is def solid
karmic temple
The new ones look legit especially iron crown. It’s got decent bulk and typing
smoky hawk
Damn it GF
Am I gonna have to play both DLCs now on my other version?
I want all the paradoxes
I want a fast sun team with blaziken and iron boulder
IB has a sig attack that hits thru protect
fallen rivet
Gouging Fire has stats that remind me of incin, bolt just seems like a slow miraidon without the electric terrain
Also what moveset and spread do we like for torkoal? Or should I just use torn/whimsy for sun?
next stump
if you’re doing torkoal sun without TR, you usually go heavy into bulk
with stuff like overheat/helping hand/etc.
if you have TR, just max HP max SpA
smoky hawk
Eject pack torkoal with overheat
I'll always recommend it. It won a regional one time
knotty mirage
Anyone here have good EV spread for incenroar ?
nocturne holly
Gotta hunt incin too
I’m not gonna breed litten
Hunting is way more fun
smoky hawk
Yeah so... the new paradoxes are one of a kind
And I insist on having them all, permanently. Not simply for pokedex
Meaning I'll have no choice but to play dlc on both versions
karmic temple
I’m debating getting scarlet for that same reason, but I’m gonna just catch them both on my other account and see if someone wants to trade them away
next stump
it’s always 1 step forward 2 steps back with competitive pokémon availability
nocturne holly
Fr
You have to play the dlc twice
atleast do the thing where you get two miraidons/koraidons
onyx charm
bold geode
I saw this lmao
mighty stump
Kieran said I was slow at clearing the Elite 4 so Roaring Moon made an appearance
onyx charm
bold geode
Kieran: You're slow
Me: 252+ Spatk Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi Yu Overheat vs. your dumbass in sun
keen karma
I ran cam mind torn + alcremie
nocturne holly
Kieran said I was slow at clearing the Elite 4 so Roaring Moon made an appearanc...
That final battle was kinda hype tho
I liked the music
mighty stump
Yeah
nocturne holly
Kieran’s hair is mid af tho
The cutscene was really good after winning
nah Drayton is actually the best fucking character LMAO
nocturne holly
Fr
keen karma
Unova was by far my favorite region
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
nocturne holly
DAMN IT
it’s fucking steel
If it wasn’t I could hunt for beldum and duraludon at the same fucking time
willow vault
Yep
fallen rivet
I’m debating getting scarlet for that same reason, but I’m gonna just catch them...
Fwiw I traded my violet paradoxes for the scarlet ones on home within ten minutes
So it’s easily possible to get them all without getting the other game and dlc
fallen rivet
Gotta hunt incin too
I’m not gonna breed litten
Hunting is way more fun
Incin is very easy to hunt imo
tired sage
starters can be outbreaks so you can just hunt them there
subtle wraith
how should i ev train archaludon? Sp.Atk and what other stat maxed?
subtle wraith
Once it can be transferred
transfer it now, it can be
smoky hawk
Home is up? That's good to know
subtle wraith
yeah, maintenance ended at 1 AM
thick geyser
https://pokepast.es/23a5c36d61b57adc
Duralidon is its evo -with stellar tera
How should I change stats or moves around it's supposed to be a rain team around arch with screens and trick room
Vgc team
smoky hawk
So let me get this right about stellar tera
Def match ups don't change and you get stab on all move types?
subtle wraith
Def match ups don't change and you get stab on all move types?
once per type if i am correct
thick geyser
Only once and tera blast is always super effective against terad mons
Also it tere blast goes to 100 power but lowers atc and spa
next stump
I think that team is lacking a lot
smoky hawk
Interesting
next stump
grimm + pelipper + sinistcha + fully defensive archaludon + indeedee
there’s no damage
keen karma
Isnt archaludon kinda slow
thick geyser
I think that team is lacking a lot
Yea thats y im using trick room as speed control to win tailwind matches and counter trick room teams
keen karma
Or am i wrong
thick geyser
Very
next stump
what pokémon would you actually bring in a matchup though
grimm + sinistcha, with archaludon and pelipper in the back?
i just don’t see that being effective
nocturne holly
Ok hear me out
I don’t think steller Tera is gonna be that good in vgc
smoky hawk
Sounds like it'll be useful
Wouldn't be surprised if most teams have 1 stellar tera mon
nocturne holly
Idk how useful it’s gonna be tho
thick geyser
i just don’t see that being effective
How would you improve the team
nocturne holly
Like if it makes all moves stab once
I only see that being useful on mons that run non stab moves and want like an ohko
like rilla high horsepower
next stump
I’d use Tornadus + Urshifu, a relatively fast Archaludon, some kind of grass type like Amoonguss or even keeping Sinistcha. You probably want some kind of intimidate as well
Archaludon is base 85SPE if serebii is correct, which is very capable under tailwind
dull ibex
wow the new tera type sounds like shit tbh
thick geyser
I’d use Tornadus + Urshifu, a relatively fast Archaludon, some kind of grass typ...
Probably incin then
smoky hawk
Like if it makes all moves stab once
Imagine banded harc head smash with stellar tera
molten oasis
wow the new tera type sounds like shit tbh
Its not that bad
thick geyser
I’d use Tornadus + Urshifu, a relatively fast Archaludon, some kind of grass typ...
Should I keep the indee
nocturne holly
Imagine banded harc head smash with stellar tera
Couldn’t that be done with rock Tera tho
dull ibex
it does nothing for you defensively and the offensive boost is limited
molten oasis
I like it on a Mon like porygon z or snorlax
nocturne holly
Its not that bad
I don’t think it’s gonna be that tbh
dull ibex
that is kinda garbage
thick geyser
Its not that bad
It has use but definitely niche#
nocturne holly
I like it on a Mon like porygon z or snorlax
defensive Tera would be better there imo
molten oasis
It’ll only be used on mons that don’t need to defensive Tera
next stump
Should I keep the indee
I don’t think it’s necessary, if you want the psychic terrain effect I’d say Farigarif would be better