it beats flutter and hands with life orb
#competitive_discussion
bold geode
Hands and Rilla don't get Upper Hand
dull ibex
monke
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well now we have paradox terakion
dull ibex
you smell that is all
bold geode
The one good thing is that Farigiraf gets Psychic Noise
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on top of that a really good attack stat and it gets booster energy
west solstice
Miss is too low level
dull ibex
what is psychic noise?
bold geode
The move that cuts healing
dull ibex
oh right
keen karma
what is psychic noise?
disables items or healing i think
bold geode
For two turns though
bold geode
Upper Hand is 65 BP though like
keen karma
maybe good for hands
keen karma
im ngl
smoky hawk
Upper hand goes before fake out??
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sand is back
dull ibex
that will remain to be seen
keen karma
hopefully
dull ibex
I imagine sun gets better
bold geode
Upper hand goes before fake out??
Believe so
I heard it might get Protect too
dull ibex
if wake is legal
keen karma
excadrill + iron boulder + ttar
dull ibex
what boulder?
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paradox terakion
dull ibex
what makes it is a sand abuser?
keen karma
what makes it is a sand abuser?
rock psychic type
dull ibex
that sounds like a dogshit type ngl
keen karma
gets booster energy
dull ibex
rock slander time
smoky hawk
My dudes
bold geode
Y'know what's bulky
Hydrappl
smoky hawk
If upper hand makes fake outers flinch, it's a must on any team
keen karma
Y'know what's bulky
Hydrappl
its so cool
bold geode
They saw all the Applin evo complaints and decided "aight let's make this thing crazy"
And gave it good bulk, a nice signature, AND Regenerator
keen karma
yall think scarf shifu is falling off?]
keen karma
no shifu is staying
bold geode
yall think scarf shifu is falling off?]
Nah it's staying
bold geode
Hydrapple is a solid TR choice
Just in general
summer geyser
how we setting up terapagos? bulky special attacker with assault vest?
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how we setting up terapagos? bulky special attacker with assault vest?
its not legal
summer geyser
I know it's not i'm just speculating
keen karma
if tera stellar isnt legal at least
dull ibex
I do remember reading the now tera type was illegal in F
so thats worth looking into
it will for sure be legal in g/restricteds
dull ibex
how we setting up terapagos? bulky special attacker with assault vest?
once I get a movepool and statblock I can give an opinion
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summer shore
Monke
bold geode
Shiro
bold geode
look at its bst you should be able to see why
Yeah
But the tera? That's kinda bullshit
keen karma
i agree with the stellar
summer shore
The tera seems kinda mid anyway
keen karma
but i feel like it will kinda be mid anyways
bold geode
Like I think they balanced out the tera pretty well
keen karma
the restrictions hinder it alot
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Defensively mid
what does it resist?
summer shore
ASS
bold geode
Yeah but without the restrictions, it'd be way too fuckin broken
bold geode
Yeah no it's definitely just offensive
fallen rivet
Man ||gouging fire|| is so cool
summer shore
You like its design?
fallen rivet
Yos
keen karma
it should've just been resist everything
summer shore
I think it looks goofy asl
fallen rivet
Understandable
bold geode
It can help with like
Flutter Mane
Or basically just HO, but other than that
summer shore
it should've just been resist everything
That would make it way toos trong
bold geode
That would make it way toos trong
Now Terapagos lmao
keen karma
and everyone has 1 hitter on the team that uses it
bold geode
Yeah
Shiro what you think of Hydrappl
keen karma
Yeah
Shiro what you think of Hydrappl
what do you think of annihilape
bold geode
what do you think of annihilape
Maybe will work
Not sure rn actually tbh
summer shore
Yeah
Shiro what you think of Hydrappl
So strong LOL
bold geode
It'll be good for Incineroar, but I didn't account for these other things of course
smoky hawk
what do you think of annihilape
Whimsicott beat up
bold geode
So strong LOL
They heard all the complaints and overcompensated like a mf
smoky hawk
Annihilape goes tera ghost and holds weakness policy
cyan smelt
Man archaludon still has a dogshit sp def stat
summer geyser
Man archaludon still has a dogshit sp def stat
power herb electro shot though
bold geode
Tornadus Rain Dance
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Tornadus Rain Dance
iron boulder will cover for that with wild charge
bold geode
Prankster 
pliant ruin
incineroar is going to be 95% usage
smoky hawk
Archaludon in rain. I gotta use it
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Prankster <:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
funny thing is that now that i think about it it either forces a tera or a tailwind out of torn shifu
next to ttar
or a switch
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wdym
summer shore
They heard all the complaints and overcompensated like a mf
Regen with those stats lmao
bold geode
Regen with those stats lmao
And the signature too lol
keen karma
And the signature too lol
now imagine it got pivot move
smoky hawk
How often does fickle beam do double BP?
cyan smelt
Gouging fire with a protect that burns if anyone tries to make contact, neat
keen karma
Since it has 5 heads
wait 160 bp???
cyan smelt
Hydrapple is awesome
bold geode
Like I thought Archaludon would be something and Hydrappl would be eh
smoky hawk
wait 160 bp???
I'll say this. Rain teams without archaludon will be very imperfect
keen karma
Like I thought Archaludon would be something and Hydrappl would be eh
both are very good
smoky hawk
160bp yes
keen karma
I'll say this. Rain teams without archaludon will be very imperfect
that is not true
bold geode
Like outside of rain, idk how much value Arch will bring
But Hydrappl has insane value
keen karma
Like outside of rain, idk how much value Arch will bring
But Hydrappl has insane...
on paper
smoky hawk
Moveset for hydrapple?
keen karma
tbh so did sinistcha but
bold geode
Can't really say moveset yet tbh
keen karma
Nah not on paper bro
it gets infestation...
bold geode
So
cyan smelt
Damn hydrapple slower than alolan exeggutor by 1 bp
smoky hawk
Damn hydrapple slower than alolan exeggutor by 1 bp
Slower than ting-lu
summer shore
And the signature too lol
Bit of a silly move
keen karma
Bit of a silly move
it gets regenerator
summer shore
Yes
cyan smelt
Does it get leech seed too because if it does it's got a lot of staying power
smoky hawk
Hydrapple with fickle beam, syrup bomb, yawn, protect?
cyan smelt
No leech seed
smoky hawk
Then replace that yawn with leech seed
smoky hawk
Fickle beam, yawn, leech seed, protect?
Holding leftovers
Big healing every turn
Imagine grassy terrain in play as well
Also it has regenerator
Good luck killing it
smoky hawk
Oh someone said it does and I took their word for it
Replace leech seed with pollen puff
pliant ruin
he said "no leech seed"
smoky hawk
Then I read it wrong
With pollen puff and yawn and good bulk, it gives amoonguss a run for its money
keen karma
With pollen puff and yawn and good bulk, it gives amoonguss a run for its money
not really
unless it gets redirect
topaz rapids
Can anyone here plz help me on how to make a good team in the new dlc cause I keep losing most of my battles no matter what Pokémon I use so what am I doing wrong?
pliant ruin
Can anyone here plz help me on how to make a good team in the new dlc cause I ke...
you mean online regulation E battles?
topaz rapids
you mean online regulation E battles?
Just the play through in the dlc nothing competitive
pliant ruin
i mean the story really shouldnt be hard. maybe youre underleveled
pliant ruin
what are you using
topaz rapids
Can I dm u the team im using ?
pliant ruin
sure
next stump
supposedly new tera is legal on cart ladder now
slender sentinel
I’m trying to train up a skeledirge, should I put all of its EVs into hp and sp attack, or try to spread them out and make him more defensive?
keen karma
I gotta go learn how to code to help showdown or sumn
Do it please
I cant wait any shorter
smoky hawk
I can code basic programs
Coding movesets and base stats would be easy
Coding images I have no idea where to start
silk lily
Excadrill is back
keen karma
Excadrill is back
yeppp
smoky hawk
I'm excited about excadrill. I wonder if it'll see use outside of sand teams with sand force
Oh nvm I read sand force wrong
So probably not
But in sand teams, required
exotic kindle
ya`ll im making a sand team
keen karma
can anyone test this?
its probably true
exotic kindle
what moves should i put on excadrill and which mons should i have with it
dull ibex
I wont take a probably
silk lily
Earth quake
exotic kindle
so far the moves are earthquake rapid spin and smart strike but i`m missing a 4th move
dull ibex
it needs ttar
exotic kindle
it needs ttar
ttar i got one already with sand stream
currently the moves are knock off thunderwave roar and stealth rock
and it`s item is the smooth rock
dull ibex
is this doubles?
exotic kindle
is this doubles?
yea for the dlc
dull ibex
all of that is singles sets
if you are playing pve content I imagine optimization isnt required though
exotic kindle
yea the dlc is doubles
dull ibex
so idk I probably can't help you
exotic kindle
some are single battles
dull ibex
I am too excited for showdown to update
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I am too excited for showdown to update
same wanna 1v1 when it drops
dull ibex
sure ig
keen karma
im so excited to test these new mons
dull ibex
it wont be for a few days
exotic kindle
what item shoul i put on my excadrill?
keen karma
i already have a team though
keen karma
what item shoul i put on my excadrill?
wait for the showdown update to come out
smoky hawk
some are single battles
I'm sure we can help you make a doubles team for sand
keen karma
its too early to build rn tbh
exotic kindle
yea so far i have tyranitar and exacdrill
dull ibex
you want orb, Rock slide, iron head, protect +1
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you want orb, Rock slide, iron head, protect +1
it gets hh
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high horsepower
exotic kindle
yea i got earthquake
keen karma
yea i got earthquake
run high horsepower over eq
dull ibex
get high horsepower quake is bad
sleek iris
Singles anyone
dull ibex
ttar wants rock slide, dark move, protect + 1
exotic kindle
get high horsepower quake is bad
oh yea becasue it damages your allies too-
dull ibex
it needs speed doyle
keen karma
and it already has a ton of hp
keen karma
it needs speed doyle
its 108 right off the bat
dull ibex
exca is typically max attack max speed in my expirence
keen karma
at level 50
exotic kindle
unless you want to creep other exca
if it doesn`t need a speed investment where do i invest it outside of the attack
dull ibex
if it doesn`t need a speed investment where do i invest it outside of the attack
you max speed max attack
to start off with
keen karma
if it doesn`t need a speed investment where do i invest it outside of the attack
well when i said it doesnt need speed i misinformed
exotic kindle
and maybe a + speed nature?
keen karma
im running bulk
dull ibex
yeah
keen karma
actually imma calc it rn
smoky hawk
Might want max speed because otherwise you'll underspeed a whole lot when the other teams opens with tailwind
dull ibex
Might want max speed because otherwise you'll underspeed a whole lot when the ot...
^^^^^^
dull ibex
ttar wants rock slide, dark move, protect + 1
^
exotic kindle
Might want max speed because otherwise you'll underspeed a whole lot when the ot...
i`ve seen tailwind alot with npcs even
keen karma
high horsepower 1 shots mane 😂
sleek iris
actually imma calc it rn
Calc these
dull ibex
I would run max hp max attack on ttar
ttar doesnt care about speed imo
turbo dino is a thing though
exotic kindle
I would run max hp max attack on ttar
its gonna either get outsped regardless so i see what you are saying
exotic kindle
base 70 speed is mid but the bulk it has usually really good
exotic kindle
you like being slower as a setter
torkoal when sun teams
dull ibex
level 49 groudon:
minor fossil
Does bulldoze hit your teammate as well?
exotic kindle
slowest shit around
keen karma
i mean its naturally slow
exotic kindle
Does bulldoze hit your teammate as well?
yep
exotic kindle
i got 252 evs invested in attack and speed for excadrill and the last ev in hp
bc really its defenses suck
dull ibex
yeah that works
keen karma
there is no way it underspeeds torkoal
exotic kindle
there is no way it underspeeds torkoal
lagging tail could work
keen karma
so lillikoal is gonna be annoying
keen karma
lagging tail could work
that's for moves
exotic kindle
that's for moves
oh
i had a good idea but nvm that wont work
if lagging tail effected priority overall
sand stream ttar would be as broken as torkoal
exotic kindle
i got knock off rockslide and protect on ttar
whats the last move
stealth rocks?
next stump
not in doubles
usually a coverage move of some kind
ice punch has been used, low kick, tera blast, etc.
dull ibex
rock slide, crunch or whatever, low kick, protect/tera blast
exotic kindle
oh i take it stealth rocks is singles only
dull ibex
ye
keen karma
ice punch has been used, low kick, tera blast, etc.
wait why did ttar run tera fly again
next stump
resist fighting, immune to ground, can hit things like amoonguss or fighting types
exotic kindle
what about tera fairy or something to catch people off guard with tera blast
keen karma
ah makes sense
exotic kindle
oo
keen karma
tera psychic is also good
exotic kindle
tera psychic could work for the anoying fighting types specifically
keen karma
flying also works for that
exotic kindle
flying also works for that
oh ye and it hits grass , bug, etc
chrome knot
fairy
polar canyon
Yo without spoilers is there any new dlc static encounter that I'll want 0 speed for
dull ibex
not fairy
chrome knot
o ttar
keen karma
red what was your incin spread
chrome knot
psychic ttar
sleek iris
Do y’all wifi battle or just showdown
chrome knot
both
keen karma
showdown
exotic kindle
also i invested 252 in hp and attack for ttar the last 4 in defense
dull ibex
no idea, general bulk
sleek iris
Anyone down to wifi battle? Master rank just filled with ubers
keen karma
i was considering running sd incin
dull ibex
156+def hits a stat bump
exotic kindle
ooo
that could work well against other types ttar is weak too like bug
dark for some reason hates bugs
here`s my current set for tyranitar
Tyranitar @ Smooth Rock
Ability: Sand Stream
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Def / 4 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Knock Off
- Rock Slide
- Protect
- Tera Blast
how it look
i`m replicating my current team in scarlet and violet
i`m gonna tweak their sets in game
smoky hawk
Tyranitar @ Smooth Rock
Ability: Sand Stream
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Rock
...
Was that meant to be psychic tera or another tera?
exotic kindle
Was that meant to be psychic tera or another tera?
i forgot to edit the tera type
changed it to flying instead of psychic
smoky hawk
The only thing I'm not sold on is the EV spread for ttar. It is certainly debatable
Flying is fine
dull ibex
Tyranitar @ Smooth Rock
Ability: Sand Stream
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Rock
...
give this av
exotic kindle
the 260 defense and special defense is why its spread out weird
exotic kindle
give this av
but then i can`t have protect on there ?
dull ibex
then run max max
exotic kindle
then run max max
what do you mean by that
dull ibex
max hp max attack 4spdef
dull ibex
not worth
exotic kindle
if i run assault vest i can`t run protect
dull ibex
it was mostly av
dull ibex
if i run assault vest i can`t run protect
yes i am aware im implying you should ditch protect
exotic kindle
Save the orb for exca
i got the orb on excadrill now
exotic kindle
yes i am aware im implying you should ditch protect
what move do i replace it with?
dull ibex
low kick
keen karma
raging bolt is gonna be so good on sand teams
exotic kindle
raging bolt is gonna be so good on sand teams
i can`t wait to add it
funny long neck creature
should i keep tera blast and tera flying on ttar?
smoky hawk
should i keep tera blast and tera flying on ttar?
Hits urshifus, hands, ogerpons, and rillabooms
exotic kindle
Hits urshifus, hands, ogerpons, and rillabooms
yep
exotic kindle
hard checks urshifu too with tera flying
like omg that is nuts
i need a third member now
currently got ttar and excadrill
smoky hawk
No need for all members to abuse sand
smoky hawk
But maybe add that new pokemon that is rock type
exotic kindle
garganacl
smoky hawk
The terrakion one?
exotic kindle
The terrakion one?
which one is that?
smoky hawk
If it's legal
exotic kindle
showdown is not updated yet
exotic kindle
The terrakion one?
i still gotta catch that
also for some reason tyranitar can learn aerial ace
i might have to try that instead of tera blast
i`m not planning on conistiently teraing it but
if i have to i can
smoky hawk
which one is that?
It's called iron boulder
exotic kindle
It's called iron boulder
ooh
yea it`s not on showdown yet
should i try running curse tera ghost garganacl
or swap curse for iron defense for the classic body press set
mighty stump
You don't want to run Curse + Tera Ghost.
exotic kindle
You don't want to run Curse + Tera Ghost.
i could use curse before i tera
the buffs from it
or just iron defense instead
mighty stump
Then remove yourself an entire move you'd want to keep clicking post-Tera.
molten oasis
It’s not good it’s counterproductive imo
mighty stump
Not really useful.
exotic kindle
It’s not good it’s counterproductive imo
so swap curse for iron defense got it
molten oasis
I don’t get the logic with bulking up then slashing half your hp lol
mighty stump
What is the team?
keen karma
What is the team?
reg f team
exotic kindle
What is the team?
a weird ah sand team i`m making
keen karma
hes theory crafting with excadrill
molten oasis
Reg f y’all will see me playing with Hydrapple a lot
mighty stump
Okay, that gives me 0 information to work with
exotic kindle
i got ttar garganacl and excadrill
molten oasis
Hydrapple is my fav dlc Mon atm
mighty stump
Thats 3 mons weak to Urshifu
keen karma
Reg f y’all will see me playing with Hydrapple a lot
i just thought that raging would be good on sand teams
molten oasis
Bolt?
molten oasis
Why?
mighty stump
You'd want Wellspring at the very least on that team.
exotic kindle
Thats 3 mons weak to Urshifu
i got tera flying on tyranitar with tera blast as a little surprise
mighty stump
and Rillaboom.
mighty stump
i got tera flying on tyranitar with tera blast as a little surprise
Not a good enough surprise. Most Urshifus will Tera as well.
keen karma
You'd want Wellspring at the very least on that team.
ppl run incin + rilla right?
exotic kindle
Not a good enough surprise. Most Urshifus will Tera as well.
how bout this then storm drain gastrodon to counter the surging strikes
they see me tera and use an electric move
i swap to gastrodon
mighty stump
Potentially an option. Gastro/Exca/Ttar however sounds like a core I do not want to bring into Rillaboom.
molten oasis
Rillaboom eats that up
exotic kindle
Potentially an option. Gastro/Exca/Ttar however sounds like a core I do not want...
so i need something to counter my weakness to grass while making sure sandstorm doesn`t kill me
keen karma
Potentially an option. Gastro/Exca/Ttar however sounds like a core I do not want...
exca/ttar/wells
molten oasis
Maybe Archaludon could be decent on that depending on its movepool
exotic kindle
oo maybe
keen karma
Im going exca/ttar/wells/incin/rilla/raging as a start
dull ibex
hello again
keen karma
hello again
hi
mighty stump
If I was to draft up a sand team id probably run Exca/Ttar/Wellspring/Incin
exotic kindle
i could try archaluadon
keen karma
that was where i started
molten oasis
I’m not messing with sand
exotic kindle
since its steel type iirc it doesn`t take damage from sandstorm
molten oasis
tofu im drafting a super standard team I might rework
Wow how interesting
keen karma
I’m not messing with sand
i def am
bold geode
Tofu you tryna grind BBQs
exotic kindle
sandy bois go brr
keen karma
Tofu you tryna grind BBQs
bruh i asked you this earlier
mighty stump
I'd also probably be concerned about simle Weather change.
dull ibex
https://pokepast.es/81a4ea5e3601a7cf might have too much support
bold geode
bruh i asked you this earlier
molten oasis
I'd also probably be concerned about simle Weather change.
?
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<a:aPES3_HappyFuckYou:804692009637380107>
im omw dw
mighty stump
Tornadus just clicks Rain Dance good bye speed contorl
dull ibex
Tofu you tryna grind BBQs
do you have burgers
molten oasis
Oh torn lmao
exotic kindle
I'd also probably be concerned about simle Weather change.
what if i ran a slower bulkier mon that has sandstorm in case someone tried to change the weather
keen karma
Tornadus just clicks Rain Dance good bye speed contorl
thats why i think raging can go on in place of ogerpon
dull ibex
yall planning on doing a vc anytime soon?
mighty stump
Are you aware of the current Regulation E metagame?
keen karma
even if they click that you can threaten rain
molten oasis
Maybe later for me
exotic kindle
Are you aware of the current Regulation E metagame?
no not really
bold geode
I just am gonna check all the fashion shops before I go grind more
molten oasis
In the current meta game if torn doesn’t die down I still think weather team will struggle a bit
keen karma
In the current meta game if torn doesn’t die down I still think weather team wil...
it prolly wont
exotic kindle
In the current meta game if torn doesn’t die down I still think weather team wil...
oh
molten oasis
Which it isn’t torn shifu is so strong
exotic kindle
why does tornadus run rain dance anyway
molten oasis
I’m an a9 enthusiast all the way but
exotic kindle
for urshifu damage
oh
molten oasis
Torn ruins its entire role
keen karma
I’m an a9 enthusiast all the way but
dw ill help you cook a team if you want
keen karma
imma put all my brain power into it
exotic kindle
molten oasis
I’m messing with Hydrapple if anything first
bold geode
I got a cowboy hat
molten oasis
I’m REALLY hoping dragon cheer gets on a not dragon (very unlikely)
keen karma
I’m REALLY hoping dragon cheer gets on a not dragon (very unlikely)
serebii exists bro
exotic kindle
so far i got ttar excadrill garganacl and gastrodon
molten oasis
They haven’t updated yet
keen karma
I’m REALLY hoping dragon cheer gets on a not dragon (very unlikely)
you can run sd oger hydrapple
crits
mighty stump
It just seems really difficult to advise when the metagame doesn't exist
dull ibex
it is tbh
keen karma
it very much is
mighty stump
I despise theorycrafting so immediately
molten oasis
you can run sd oger hydrapple
No
dull ibex
we have no idea what will happen
exotic kindle
I despise theorycrafting so immediately
why
keen karma
there are gonna be so many different options then it will stabilize
molten oasis
I’m cooking with offensive Hydrapple
keen karma
I’m cooking with offensive Hydrapple
lemme see when you make
dull ibex
its all speculation and its unhelpful
molten oasis
Getting a partner figured out once showdown opens is my plan
keen karma
wanna try a 1v1 when it opens?
molten oasis
For now I sweep teams with bulky Hydrapple
dull ibex
dont expect it to the open today btw
bold geode
I despise theorycrafting so immediately
Yeah I can't even think of shit lmao
dull ibex
that isnt happening
molten oasis
I don’t expect showdown for a week
keen karma
Yeah I can't even think of shit lmao
i have like 5 different mons in mind
dull ibex
thats reasonable
keen karma
excadrill is the only one that i can actually think with rn
exotic kindle
a
keen karma
who wants to do bbqs
exotic kindle
yea i don`t know who else to add
mighty stump
We have no idea if the Paradox Beasts/Iron Swords are legal.
mighty stump
So I can;'t even consider then options
dapper crag
what would be a good porygon z set for doubles? idk much about competitive
dull ibex
wanna cook up a nat dex team?
mighty stump
what would be a good porygon z set for doubles? idk much about competitive
P2 or PZ
keen karma
if it gets raging the sand is so up
keen karma
wanna cook up a nat dex team?
im down
exotic kindle
wanna cook up a nat dex team?
that`s what im trying to do
dull ibex
what?
exotic kindle
national dex sand team
dull ibex
you're playing nat dex on showdown?
mighty stump
PZ is Life Orb/Tri-Attack/Thunderbolt/Ice Beam/Protect
exotic kindle
as long as they are in scarlet and violet
mighty stump
Max SpA/Max Spe
exotic kindle
i was gonna try to replicate the team in game if it`s good
keen karma
porygon isnt a tr mon?
dull ibex
Nat dex isnt dlc btw
keen karma
still down
dull ibex
porygon isnt a tr mon?
p2 is
exotic kindle
ik
dapper crag
i just like giving my pokemon competitive sets i’m not that in to competitive🥲
dull ibex
https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1184936479206678628 if anyone is down
keen karma
i cant vc yet
exotic kindle
i just like giving my pokemon competitive sets i’m not that in to competitive🥲
i`m not even that into competitive i just wanna make a good sand team rn
keen karma
we have no idea of knowing
keen karma
Is supercell slam going to replace wild charge?
hands gets it?
smoky hawk
Yes
keen karma
100 bp with a 5% chance of taking damage on miss vs 90 bp with recoil
thats a hard choice
exotic kindle
should i try running alolan golem on my sand team?
mighty stump
Are you planning on playing PvP?
exotic kindle
Are you planning on playing PvP?
i might try it out yea
i was talking with a few friends about th whole pvp thing earlier
mighty stump
Then no.
bold geode
I'm gonna be muted for a bit, have to make lunch for my mom
mighty stump
Alolan-Golem only exists as an Explosion gimmick in TR teams.
exotic kindle
oh
keen karma
looks like walking wake is still event locked
bold geode
Red can't read smh
exotic kindle
Alolan-Golem only exists as an Explosion gimmick in TR teams.
💀 ngl it could still one shot water urshifu with explosion
keen karma
which may mean that the beasts may not be legal
mighty stump
💀 ngl it could still one shot water urshifu with explosion
That's not how the considerations are treated. It's the likelihood of execution of gameplan
bold geode
But Hydrappl go brrrrrr
mighty stump
Honestly, the sand team will just purely be Excadrill/Ttar
You probably won't be stacking much of the same typing much.
exotic kindle
Honestly, the sand team will just purely be Excadrill/Ttar
i can`t have a sand team with only two pokemon tho
dull ibex
i can`t have a sand team with only two pokemon tho
sure you can!
mighty stump
Thats the Sand core.
bold geode
Tofu you're speaking facts rn
Get out of my skin
mighty stump
That's not the team.
exotic kindle
Thats the Sand core.
i still need 4 other pokemon in that case though
bold geode
Red I think you're illegal
keen karma
i can`t have a sand team with only two pokemon tho
full sand abusers is probably not gonna get you anywhere
bold geode
That's not what I meant headass
exotic kindle
full sand abusers is probably not gonna get you anywhere
ikik
smoky hawk
Like I was saying, don't dedicate the entire team to sand
keen karma
there aren't enough good sand abusers to make it work like that and you are gonna have really bad matchups into certain types
smoky hawk
Maybe 3 of them
exotic kindle
there aren't enough good sand abusers to make it work like that and you are gonn...
what bout a team with multiple types of weather
like i already got ttar and excadrill
but what about two and two of other weathers
molten oasis
I like with weather teams doing 3-4 mons for the weather and then 2-3 mins that are good in an out or just out of weather
whole ibex
Red I think you're illegal
💀
keen karma
I like with weather teams doing 3-4 mons for the weather and then 2-3 mins that ...
drago did your game show what habitat walking wake was in?
bold geode
I stg if I get fucking reported cuz that gets taken out of context
molten oasis
No
exotic kindle
I like with weather teams doing 3-4 mons for the weather and then 2-3 mins that ...
what about i have 2 other mons for weather like sunny day and rain
keen karma
I stg if I get fucking reported cuz that gets taken out of context
sorry man you should've included /j
molten oasis
No
mighty stump
Tyranitar/Excadrill/Wellspring.
- You want some form of Intimidate deterrent, perhap Kingambit which can help with Priority options.
- Rillaboom can also be an option to at least curb Urshifu
- Your own Intimidate can be useful against Iron Hands, so Lando-T is probably the option.
smoky hawk
I've tried a double weather team before. Results were not great
exotic kindle
what moves for ogerpon?
smoky hawk
Oh right, ogerpon has a rock form
exotic kindle
Oh right, ogerpon has a rock form
ooo
mighty stump
Multiple weather leads to awkward positioning.
dull ibex
Oh right, ogerpon has a rock form
oh boy
exotic kindle
rock ogerpon would not be good against urshifu probably
exotic kindle
would i do attack speed and hp?
mighty stump
If you want a spread, you'd lift one off Pikalytics
Since Wellspring has a variety of spreads
exotic kindle
like what about a slightly bulkier one
keen karma
Since Wellspring has a variety of spreads
there is a twitter link for a really good one
mighty stump
there is a twitter link for a really good one
?
exotic kindle
i got ivey cudgel and horn leech , what other moves
mighty stump
Oh, Brady.
keen karma
yeah
mighty stump
i got ivey cudgel and horn leech , what other moves
Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Atk / 84 Def / 36 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Ivy Cudgel
- Horn Leech/Grassy Glide
- Follow Me
- Spiky Shield
exotic kindle
oo
mighty stump
This set automatically requires you to have Intimidate on the team.
So you're forced to run Lando-T/H-Arc/Incin
exotic kindle
so landorous
keen karma
so landorous
incin
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
mighty stump
You don't necessarily need goggles but it can be alright.
mighty stump
Sometimes it runs Taunt.
exotic kindle
incin or lando t tho?
keen karma
oh well im done with this until the format actually drops
and until i can actually pull mons outside of my home
mighty stump
incin or lando t tho?
That's down to preference. Lando-T with Scarf will give you a fast mode. Incin gives you strong pivot power.
keen karma
been waiting for the longest time
exotic kindle
That's down to preference. Lando-T with Scarf will give you a fast mode. Incin g...
with my current team it`s already really fast paced
but i probably could use some options to swap out if needed
mighty stump
Not really. Ttar/Wellspring is slow and your own actual level of speed control is based in Sand. Granted, I;m still concerned about the Torn-Shifu matchup and Fake Out would be heavily appreciated.
You don't have any real control of the game-flow speed wise.
exotic kindle
fake out would be good for incin to stall out urshifu
mighty stump
Alternatively you run Wellspring + Incin + Psyspam.
exotic kindle
psysbeam?
keen karma
🤮
mighty stump
Psyspam, Indeedee-Armarouge
keen karma
indeedee + hattterene?
mighty stump
It punishes Torn-Shifu strongly and most Tailwind offenses that carry Gholdengo as well.
keen karma
actually tofu what is your opin on indeedee hatterene armarouge
exotic kindle
i could try running armorouge maybe
mighty stump
Name of the game is redundancy after all
exotic kindle
what moves should i run on lando t
molten oasis
Stomping rock slide uturn Tera flying Tera blast
smoky hawk
Incin is going to once again appear on every single top 32 team
molten oasis
Mhmm
smoky hawk
I'm probably running knock off, fake out, parting shot, HH
dull ibex
flare blitz is essential
exotic kindle
I'm probably running knock off, fake out, parting shot, HH
what move is hh
dull ibex
helping hand
exotic kindle
ohh
exotic kindle
yea the current set i have is knock off parting shot fake out
and flare blitz
what evs and items?
mighty stump
Again, variable. Sitrus/Goggles viable. AV Sets are also possible.
molten oasis
Cooking so early is weird
exotic kindle
so far i got ttar excadrill ogerpon wellspring and incin
dull ibex
I imagine they are going to run this in game as well
exotic kindle
I imagine they are going to run this in game as well
that is what i am planning on doing
mighty stump
Which is why it's difficult to advise since if it's in game, anything practically works.
dull ibex
mhm
dull ibex
showdown might be a few days away so its hard
exotic kindle
should i run hp and attack evs on incin
molten oasis
We don’t even know if paradox beasts/iron swords will be legal yet sadly
smoky hawk
It's good to theory craft now as showdown will update by next week
molten oasis
Also based on terapagos stat spread I’m guessing it’s restricted
mighty stump
Not really "good" since the theories at the moment might not even hold any weight
And will only be relevant once the format appears
By then you can actually theorycraft
So why bother now, just have a simple idea and not make a full blown team.
exotic kindle
it doesn`t hurt to theory craft a team yet
mighty stump
Unknown restriction list, unknown metagame, entire teams built only to fail from the getgo can feel entirely discouraging and potentially a waste of time and doesn't really decrease/improve the efficiency of theorycrafting later
dull ibex
it kinda hurts to theorycraft if you spend a whole bunch of resources only to be wrong imo
exotic kindle
i got a sand team in scarlet and violet and its more casual rn with ttar, orthworm, garchomp, garganacl, clodsire and ,houndstone
karmic temple
Tfw this dlc was actually 4/10
mighty stump
Which is why the timescale I've mentioned about advice existing will run over the course of 2 weeks.
exotic kindle
that is probably not a good team overal tbh
mighty stump
It isn't. None of the information here bothers to consider casual play at all.
Since anything works there
Again, it doesn't mean don't have an idea of what you might want to run but full-on crafting a team isn't the best idea.
smoky hawk
I'm saying that we can theory craft basic team ideas to implement on showdown day 1 and then we'll adjust after we play some games
exotic kindle
ig i should wait until showdown updates for the most recent meta options before trying to remake my sand team?
molten oasis
My mom is being a harpy because she expects me to know everything
Like I’ve been here twice for an appointment stfu
Im at my college
fallen rivet
Besides incin, what new meta picks came with the dlc?
smoky hawk
Whimsicott
dull ibex
@bold geode would a pokemon stadium stream interest you
I too blush when thinking about a much more interesting tailwind user
smoky hawk
Faster than torn
fallen rivet
I mean it’s whimsy or torn
lucid lodge
Besides incin, what new meta picks came with the dlc?
Rillaboom (apart from raids)
fallen rivet
How do we feel about the new paradoxes
whole ibex
Is really worth trying to reroll for 0 iv speed Dialga right now? I haven’t been lucky enough to get one from the raids and we are a long way from the resticted format.
I will take a break from it now
smoky hawk
Is really worth trying to reroll for 0 iv speed Dialga right now? I haven’t been...
Not sure why you'd want that
90 base spe
molten oasis
Dialga was used in tr
smoky hawk
Maybe I never encountered that
dull ibex
oh. oh my god the trainer battle theme is a remix of the bw one
whole ibex
Not sure why you'd want that
It’s a tr Mon
dull ibex
Unova remakes are a day one for me
whole ibex
Dialga was used in tr
I saw earlier that you’re a hydrapplin enjoyer
smoky hawk
The dlc is clearly foreshadowing a Gen 5 remake
whole ibex
I wanna use him too
dull ibex
bw remakes were never in doubt tbf
smoky hawk
Hope it's better than the last remake
dull ibex
I really enjoyed bdsp
smoky hawk
That's good... it was widely criticized
I sure didn't like the art style
For BW, I didn't regard it as one of my fav gens for a long time, until years ago when I replayed it on emulator
And I've played 1 or 2 games for every gen and some spin offs like legends arceus
Now I'm looking forward to the remakes
I expect an announcement of it early part of next year
karmic temple
So many cute new dragon types this dlc
molten oasis
Hydrapple actually looks like something that could be pretty good
Very excited to test it
dull ibex
can yall open the vc up to one more
@bold geode @mighty stump
sadge
ig ping me when I can join
karmic temple
I wonder what the reward for completing the blueberry dex is
fallen rivet
Hydrapple looks great on everything except typing
molten oasis
Hydrapple looks great on everything except typing
The typing isn’t even that bad tbh
mighty stump
i tolf them@to
fallen rivet
Fair
mighty stump
@bold geode
molten oasis
Realistically it only has 4 weaknesses, flying ice dragon and fairy
Which is definitely manageable
It’s also tanky I bet it can take certain se hits
Is he the only one that can open it up tofu?
molten oasis
Bruh
chrome knot
what i do
dull ibex
open the vc 😭
molten oasis
Let’s us in
dull ibex
loud knocking sounds
molten oasis
mighty stump
@molten oasis
craggy swan
is the new durladon evolution with tornadus a good combo?
mellow jacinth
Does anyone know if dragon cheer boosts crit more on dragon types like it's description implies
And does 2 crit stages garuntee a crit?
whole ibex
Which is definitely manageable
Yeah, especially when some of the best Pokémon have quad weaknesses.
Like Lando or H-Arc
willow vault
What Tera should I get for H-Arcanine?
Are you running extreme speed? Tera blast? Different suggestions dependent on sets
mellow jacinth
is the new durladon evolution with tornadus a good combo?
I have a strat with archaludon but only if these 2 questions above are true
willow vault
I have a strat with archaludon but only if these 2 questions above are true
Is it beat up?
mellow jacinth
No
Tera dragon draco meteor with garuntee crit while holding a choice item or AV, while hydrapple provides support with dragon cheer and pollin puff
Maybe not even tera if strong enough
willow vault
Guaranteed crit?
mellow jacinth
Dragon cheer boosts crit ratio but it's description implies it does even more crit boost to dragon types
From what I remember 2 crit boosts is a garuntee crit unless it's 3
willow vault
I’m not sure
mellow jacinth
If dragon cheer doesn't do that my strategy would probably change to razor claw, in that case you would still have no draw backs to draco meteor as all spak drops would be negated with crits
If the other situation works, choice scarf would help it's speed if need be
fleet quarry
Are you running extreme speed? Tera blast? Different suggestions dependent on se...
Sorry for the lack of context
I'm running ESpeed / Rock Slide / Flare Blitz / Protect, max atk/speed
willow vault
What’s archalydons speed stat?
mellow jacinth
85
willow vault
Sorry for the lack of context
I'm running ESpeed / Rock Slide / Flare Blitz / Pr...
Normal will work
mellow jacinth
Which is just decent
willow vault
It’s that high? I thought it was like 50 lmao
fleet quarry
Ty 👍
mellow jacinth
Yeah it is that high, choice scarf would make it 127 I think
Which outspeeds quite a few pokemon
willow vault
Oh wow
willow vault
Which outspeeds quite a few pokemon
It outspeed a most Pokémon at base 127
fleet quarry
Do we have any decent spreads for Terapagos yet? I'm not sure how to build it
willow vault
It probably won’t be legal to use, but no idea about potential spreads if it’s legal
mellow jacinth
Now I thought of another question, do multihit moves increase archaludons defense several times
fleet quarry
🤔 didn't think about it being illegal since ogerpon is allowed
karmic temple
The dlc just came out like 22 hours ago I doubt a ton of people have it yet
mellow jacinth
Wait that's probably why you said beatup
willow vault
It was
willow vault
🤔 didn't think about it being illegal since ogerpon is allowed
I mean it might be I have no clue
willow vault
Alright
tired sage
oh no…
incin is gonna be back…
karmic temple
The dlc is over hyped 😭 it’s good and fun but it’s lacking a lot
dapper crag
The dlc is over hyped 😭 it’s good and fun but it’s lacking a lot
That's because this is only half of it, it's the 2nd part of 1 DLC
craggy swan
Tera dragon draco meteor with garuntee crit while holding a choice item or AV, w...
if I do not wanna use draco meteor is tera dragon tera blast enough?
mellow jacinth
I'm not sure you'd have to put it into a damage calculator, but draco meteor is almost like hitting 2 tera blasts in one turn
So I did more math, 3 crit boosts make a garuntee crit, so it would be best to use either scope lens or razor claw on the strat
Dragon cheer makes it to where archaludon doesn't have to wait a turn and use focus energy, and instead can just keep attacking
He is bulky enough to justify its 85 speed, maybe syrup bomb can help with outspeeding
keen karma
The new Pokemons are crazy
Fr its been so fun so far i love it
nocturne holly
Not rlly its all it has going for it
no I’m still going to through the play through lol
I don’t wanna go heal up or some shit
keen karma
Ohhh
dapper crag
Use your items like a real Trainer does
nocturne holly
I’m fucking lazy
keen karma
I feel like there def has to be another update on the way
shut flume
Do we know if there's a way to get 0 IVs now?
willow vault
Do we know if there's a way to get 0 IVs now?
I’m pretty sure there isn’t
willow vault
I feel like there def has to be another update on the way
Who knows
shut flume
F
nocturne holly
what teams are you guys using for the dlc
are you doing like your vgc teams
or like what
keen karma
what teams are you guys using for the dlc
Standard reg e
next stump
summer shore
No way I have a night of sleep and showdown isnt up yet
smoky hawk
Aw but that's boring
summer shore
🥺
smoky hawk
Too easy
polar canyon
Yo
Are spoilers ok here?
Oh yeah pins say otherwise
If an adaptability mon uses stellar tera does it boost all moves or does it only boost tera blast?
Or does it still just boost the og move
molten oasis
It’s all moves I believe
dull ibex
No way I have a night of sleep and showdown isnt up yet
you think thats bad home went down for 30 hours of maintenance
dapper crag
No way I have a night of sleep and showdown isnt up yet
wdym showdown is up rn ?
dapper crag
what does the 19th Tera type do tho
1 time STAB on every type, but not 2 time
nocturne holly
1 time STAB on every type, but not 2 time
Wbt resistances and stuff
dapper crag
Wbt resistances and stuff
Nothing
I assume everything is neutral so neutral
But maybe something more, I'd need to test it more
keen karma
wdym showdown is up rn ?
Means update
dapper crag
I played the story and I'm at work rn, can't say much more
dapper crag
Means update
oh no it's running, I'm playing the ladder rn
keen karma
oh no it's running, I'm playing the ladder rn
Reg f?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
dapper crag
Reg f?
What
nah nah nah, reg F is not even fully announced
like are the new paradoxes allowed or not, I'd like to know and haven't seen anything
but yeah showdown is working i can confirm ir
keen karma
but yeah showdown is working i can confirm ir
They dropped last update b4 format was announced too
rancid delta
Question whimsicott wants speed right if built for tailwind/helping hand doubles support
polar vigil
Hey guys, i wanna dip my hands into draft leagues, how does it work and where can i try them out? TIA
polar vigil
Question whimsicott wants speed right if built for tailwind/helping hand doubles...
I guess so but whimsicott has prankster already so all status moves are +1 priority
rancid delta
I guess so but whimsicott has prankster already so all status moves are +1 prior...
Hell, good point. so speed would only be good for attacking.. eh what evs should I do if you have any recommendations
Oh wait, if I meet anything that has priority moves and higher speed then whimsicott it won’t be going first
dull ibex
Hell, good point. so speed would only be good for attacking.. eh what evs should...
max speed max special attack
you aren't only going to be clicking status moves
shell arrow
Does anyone know a good item and EV spread for hydrapplin for solos?
dull ibex
Whimsicott @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Tailwind
- Moonblast
- Taunt/fake tears
- Protect
you could also use focus sash and tera ghost
but also realistically we don't know yet
limpid trench
Could I get some help from someone understanding how many vitamins n how I should hyper train to make a competitive team 🙂
Ig I need EV n IV’s for dummy’s
dapper crag
did any pokemon get buffs in indigo disk
like torterra and empoleon got in teal mask
weary trench
so out of this team any pokemon i should add/remove?
Lapras, Alcremie, Ceruledge, Alola-Golem, Bellossom & Cinccino
cyan smelt
I want to use hydrapple just because of fickle beam
nocturne holly
I want to use hydrapple just because of fickle beam
Fickle beam? Is it its new move?
Sableye bot update when
next stump
so out of this team any pokemon i should add/remove?
Lapras, Alcremie, Ceruledg...
is this for the story
weary trench
yesiree
next stump
you’re probably fine as long as they’re all level 100
weary trench
so lets say theoretically theyre at level 80
next stump
the NPCs are around that level, so it’ll probably be tough
weary trench
so the solution is to just be overleveled?
next stump
I used my VGC team of level 100s and never felt like I was going to lose a fight
but I’ve talked to others who use teams without EV training, items, or max level who have struggled
just test it out and see if you’re fine
weary trench
i mean i used it against Crispin and he wiped me, second time around i won with item cheese
maybe ill swap them for some bulkier mons so i can actually play instead of being vaporized
shell arrow
This moveset for hydrapple with cough cough you know Tera type?
Nvm
Found a better one that one kinda sucked
cyan smelt
Fickle beam? Is it its new move?
Yes fickle beam has 80 bp but can double to 160 bp
karmic temple
I love hydrapple so much 😭😭
near crag
Do you think lapras is currently viable? I thought of running it in a hyper offensive team, with freeze dry, hydro pump, helping hand, and protect. Could it work in the current meta? Thanks
karmic temple
Can’t use her for another 2 weeks in ladder
near crag
But once it’s legal, could it work? I don’t know if are there new threats, due to the dlc
But the very majority of Pokémon in the current meta would get one shot with helping hand Tera normal extreme speed dragonite, and for the other types of mons, that are not (very) affected by normal type, like rock, steel and ghost could be dealt with by other mons in the party
rancid delta
but also realistically we don't know yet
Still, thank you for the move set and EV spread lol. Looks good
So spatk would be better over HP? Was going to use it along side Terapagos as a support. Would it be better to have it be able To deal dmg?
gentle cragBOT
Still, thank you for the move set and EV spread lol. Looks good
So spatk would...
apochrya has given 1 Gen Rep to redstonejesus
dull ibex
Still, thank you for the move set and EV spread lol. Looks good
So spatk would...
Im not sure how to answer this atm tbh
rancid delta
Got it
dull ibex
whim is a support that also does damage
im not sure why it would prefer special attack or hp
dull ibex
season works
keen karma
Should i reset for 0 atk raging bolt
molten oasis
I doubt it’s worth
fallen rivet
Do speed iv’s matter on incin
molten oasis
Do speed iv’s matter on incin
Yes
fallen rivet
Oof just dropped a bottle cap on my shiny
real pewter
What set should I use for minior
mighty stump
Theres not really a set
mighty stump
But once it’s legal, could it work? I don’t know if are there new threats, due t...
No, even in the current and previous gen 8 metagame Lapras lacked tools to stay relevant as the metagame went on
tropic robin
Would archuladon be better with a timid or modest nature with these stats?
molten oasis
I think Archaludon will want to be on the bulkier side so modest
rancid delta
What’s a good mon that knows sunny day to pair with hydrapple in doubles?
molten oasis
We don’t know
molten oasis
Hydrapple is just
Tanky
And hits relatively hard
Definitely doesn’t need sun
Ig you could do trick room with it and Torkoal
rancid delta
Ah crap meant trick room and I know we don’t know but just a suggestion is fine
And cool I’ll look into Tortola
mighty stump
Trick Room? Psyspam/Dusclops/Cresselia
molten oasis
I honestly don’t think Hydrapple will need tr but we have no clue yet lol
Psyspam is indeedee armarouge
mighty stump
I think itll be best with TR
rancid delta
Alr cool. Ty both
molten oasis
SHINY INCINEROAR IS MINE BABY
mighty stump
Oh nice, shiny hunted?
molten oasis
yep
mighty stump
I need to iso emboar
molten oasis
I have 15 minutes left so I’m gonna go for tepig
molten oasis
I need to iso emboar
Shiny emboar on an emboar team would be hype
summer shore
@mighty stump is showdown ready yet
whole ibex
Thoughts on dragon cheer?
molten oasis
Thoughts on dragon cheer?
It’s, idk yet
It really depends on what gets it but just the move itself, it’s ok
I think it could be really good into Hydrapple and Ogerpon
However I’m not sure what gets it
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> is showdown ready yet
No
whole ibex
However I’m not sure what gets it
molten oasis
Yk