competitive_discussion

[mighty stump]

Speaking of horses, on my night shift during rounds at like 4 am

I got jumpscared by a white eyeless horse

it popped its head out of the stable in the dark and I screamed

[dapper crag]

after the headless horseman, the eyeless horse

[mighty stump]

Ironically the eyeless ones are so much nicer

[keen karma]

😂 😂 😂

[summer geyser]

how good of a nature is careful (-sp.atk +sp.def) for fezandepiti? I see people use as a special attacker but I accidently saved mine with -sp.atk nature like a dumbass.

should I use a mint or make a physical fezandipiti?

[strange fjord]

You can always change the effective nature with a Mint.

[lofty tartan]

You can just use a mint

[mighty stump]

The SpAtking is mostly just because it has spread damage for proccing Toxic Chain anyways too

[summer geyser]

I'll cross that bridge when I get to it since i'm trying to catch munkidori atm

[cyan smelt]

So when restricteds are legal is it gonna be koraidon/Groudon/Venusaur/flutter

[fallen rivet]

how do you mean

[cyan smelt]

Two sun setters + two sun abusers

[keen karma]

@molten oasis i was abt to rejoin 😔

[molten oasis]

Sorry we got bored lol

[dull ibex]

losers

[mighty stump]

nerd

[cyan smelt]

someone i battled just had a shiny ursaluna BM

[dull ibex]

you are the one not in vc nerd

[cyan smelt]

ik it's hacked but how is it allowed in ranked

[wispy spade]

It doesn't affect battles, that's how

[cyan smelt]

there should be a flag to check for illegal shinies

[wispy spade]

Costs money to code

[cyan smelt]

if they're using illegal shinies they might be cheating in other ways

[wispy spade]

Did they have 6x252 EVs or unobtainable abilities?

[cyan smelt]

nah i beat them easily

[wispy spade]

Then why does it matter?

[cyan smelt]

i hate seeing people use illegal shinies

[wispy spade]

Playing offline solves that

[cyan smelt]

that's the first time i've seen a hacked shiny on online

or one that wasn't supposed to be shiny

shiny locks encourage genning but people still shouldn't gen shinies

also i don't think we're allowed to talk about genning

[deep sparrow]

Oh damn. My bad 😂

I’ll delete

[cyan smelt]

nah no need as long as we don't continue it further

i think it's just a rule because it's against discord tos and against tpc rules

[deep sparrow]

I fixed it lmao.

[cyan smelt]

every time i see flutter i'm leading lillikoal in case it's an imprison flutter

[deep sparrow]

I’ve been seeing a lot of lillikoal in cart ladder.

[cyan smelt]

it's fun to use

[charred saddle]

its been there a lot

follow me / rage powder is quite annoying to deal with tho

amoonguss is annoying to lilikoal, rage powder and you cant sleep powder it, resist cc and blade

no after you eruption, and if you forced erup, torkoal is sure to get hit by something as its so slow

[cyan smelt]

after you giving torkoal immediate priority is a pain to deal with too

i haven't seen too many amoonguss recently

[charred saddle]

yep

other alts are waterpon, but its netural to both cc and blade

and lilikoal hates torn

[cyan smelt]

i guess if i see amoonguss i'll lead armadeedee and set up tr then follow up with torkoal/ursaluna

[charred saddle]

rain dance once and you cant do anything haha

[cyan smelt]

yeah pelipper is annoying for lillikoal too

[charred saddle]

anything that can change weather lol

[cyan smelt]

haven't seen the toed at all

[charred saddle]

yeh, wide guard pelipper is nice with the meta now

[cyan smelt]

haven't seen ludicolo either

[charred saddle]

so much bravadosun team, and widespread spam

[cyan smelt]

wide guard pelipper and armarouge are hard to play around

especially since indeedee can just follow me to redirect earth power

[charred saddle]

i remember meeting bravadosun team in showdown, last 2 v 2 mon

and the drago was locked on dragon energy

and i have wide guard arm

[cyan smelt]

indeedee can't even use dazzling gleam

[charred saddle]

that armarouge single job till its death is wide guard haha

[cyan smelt]

my main leads while i'm using bravado sun are indeedee/drago, indeedee/armarouge or lillikoal

[charred saddle]

you should try lili drago

[cyan smelt]

the problem is without sun lilligant's speed is mid

[charred saddle]

its weird but flexible, you can swith drago to koal, or lili to indesee

nono, ur more likely to switch

[cyan smelt]

oh

[charred saddle]

either one of it

its not much use as its pretty passive but its definitely more flexible

since youre not locked into 1 mode of play

[cyan smelt]

if they have urshifu dark i can switch lilligant out for indeedee to prevent sucker punch

[charred saddle]

ye

[cyan smelt]

or anything else that has prio

[charred saddle]

other weird lead is arm and liligant. quite similar idea

and cheeky play, let liligant take a hit and sleep powder on one and protect arm

thats for a play if they have something that can threaten ohko armarouge, protect arm and sleep powder on the threat, if it tries to kill arm then lili for sure lives that turn and sleep pwder, then switch in indeedee and e force

i mean still, if you can just lead armadeedee ig

[cyan smelt]

unless it's urshifu dark, but then lilligant can follow up with cc

[charred saddle]

ye

bravadosun is fun, but once you get the first lead wrong its kinda hard to play around since the team is quite squishy

[cyan smelt]

yeah i need to think about my leads

too often i've lead with armadeedee and it ends up being imprison flutter

[smoky hawk]

I just started doing that recently. Mine has a sash. It works like a charm in closed team sheets at least

[molten oasis]

@dull ibex

Vc?

[dull ibex]

Who else we got

[molten oasis]

Tofu

[mighty stump]

Yea

Chop chop VGC boy

[dull ibex]

I'm in

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 579: Reuniclus

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Overcoat, Magic Guard, Regenerator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

110/65/75/125/85/30

Total

490

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

Reuniclus's moveset:

Physical Moves

Astonish, Dizzy Punch, Drain Punch, Endeavor, Explosion, Facade, Fire Punch, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Hammer Arm, Ice Punch, Knock Off, Mega Punch, Power-Up Punch, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Secret Power, Steel Roller, Strength, Superpower, Thunder Punch, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Confusion, Dream Eater, Energy Ball, Expanding Force, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Future Sight, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Infestation, Night Shade, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Psywave, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Stored Power, Thunder

Status Moves

Acid Armor, After You, Ally Switch, Attract, Calm Mind, Charm, Confide, Confuse Ray, Double Team, Embargo, Encore, Endure, Flash, Gravity, Guard Swap, Heal Block, Helping Hand, Imprison, Iron Defense, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Pain Split, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Rain Dance, Recover, Reflect, Rest, Role Play, Safeguard, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Substitute, Swagger, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Reuniclus.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/reuniclus.gif

[chrome knot]

shes so cute

[mighty stump]

Reuniclus is BABIE

[chrome knot]

yesss

and she gets expanding force o wow

[dapper crag]

Reuniclus's moveset:

Physical Moves

Special Moves

Status Moves

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Reuniclus.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[chrome knot]

sry hatterene i think i have a new best friend

[mighty stump]

oh ok sableye bot

thank you

[mighty stump]

REAL

[molten oasis]

Goated Mon

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 589: Escavalier

Types

Bug/Steel

Abilities

Swarm, Shell Armor, Overcoat (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/135/105/60/105/20

Total

495

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

Escavalier's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Brutal Swing, Bug Bite, Close Combat, Counter, Cut, Double-Edge, Drill Run, Facade, False Swipe, Feint Attack, Fell Stinger, Flail, Frustration, Fury Attack, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Horn Attack, Iron Head, Knock Off, Megahorn, Metal Burst, Night Slash, Peck, Poison Jab, Pursuit, Razor Shell, Return, Revenge, Reversal, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Slash, Smart Strike, Take Down, Twineedle, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Acid Spray, Bug Buzz, Energy Ball, Focus Blast, Giga Drain, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Infestation, Round, Signal Beam, Snore, Steel Beam, Struggle Bug

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Confide, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Iron Defense, Laser Focus, Leer, Protect, Quick Guard, Rain Dance, Rest, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Swords Dance, Taunt, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Escavalier.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

Calyrex-Shadow's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Bullet Seed, Crunch, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Facade, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Lash Out, Pay Day, Payback, Phantom Force, Pound, Psycho Cut, Seed Bomb, Solar Blade, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Tackle, Take Down, Thrash, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Astral Barrage, Confusion, Dark Pulse, Draining Kiss, Energy Ball, Expanding Force, Future Sight, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hex, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Mud Shot, Night Shade, Pollen Puff, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Shadow Ball, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Tri Attack, Uproar

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Aromatherapy, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Confuse Ray, Disable, Encore, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Gravity, Growth, Guard Swap, Haze, Heal Pulse, Helping Hand, Imprison, Leech Seed, Life Dew, Light Screen, Magic Room, Metronome, Nasty Plot, Power Swap, Protect, Psychic Terrain, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Scary Face, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Speed Swap, Substitute, Sunny Day, Tail Whip, Taunt, Trick, Trick Room, Will-O-Wisp, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Calyrex-Shadow.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[molten oasis]

0 SpA Kyogre Water Gun vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Arcanine-Hisui in Rain: 232-276 (135.6 - 161.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Nice harc lol

[chrome knot]

uh

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 798: Kartana

Types

Grass/Steel

Abilities

Beast Boost

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

59/181/131/59/31/109

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[dull ibex]

@molten oasis wah flutter mane bad wah

[wispy spade]

[short nebula]

guys which is better for a 252 SpA and 252 Spe iron bundle to have hydro pump or chilling water

[mighty stump]

Hydro

Chilling Water doesn't do anything

[short nebula]

ah i see

[mellow barn]

Just week till DLC, then begins testing and brain storming

[cyan smelt]

i just beat someone ranked 350!

[bright spire]

[karmic temple]

New dlc info tomorrow lfg

[next stump]

super excited

[mighty stump]

Looking forward to it

[keen karma]

3 sandwiches no shiny roaring 😔

[next stump]

damn that’s giga unlucky

[mighty stump]

I once went 7 sandwiches no klawf

for a fking KLAWF

[next stump]

hahaha

[mighty stump]

I should do an RM hunt

[keen karma]

Its annoying for me because go mode isnt working

[short nebula]

when is the dlc gonna be released?

[keen karma]

My mons arent attacking when im targetting

[mighty stump]

14th

[dull ibex]

Hi

[short nebula]

perish song is bs man

[keen karma]

it won't be once you develop your fundamentals even more

idrk how to classify players that run perish trap but from what i've played against they tend to not be very experience consistantly blundering

but there are also players that are really good at running it

[shrewd scarab]

Well considering there is a good amount of counters to perish trap I’d say the ones that can pull it off do know what they are doing to some extent.

[keen karma]

yep thats what i was saying

or at least trying to get across

[mighty stump]

Also perish trap players are like

one trick ponies

most of them

[keen karma]

i think i have a semi-clear understanding of the team now

and that has to be my favorite roaring set

[pseudo sapphire]

Hey guys. What do y'all think about this team? I've been having some great results with it. It's a trick room team with a solid core of Ninetales, Sinistcha, Goodra and Farigiraf

Ninetales-Alola (F) @ Light Clay
Ability: Snow Warning
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Encore
• Aurora Veil
• Chilling Water

Sinistcha @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Hospitality
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Rage Powder
• Strength Sap
• Trick Room
• Matcha Gotcha

Farigiraf (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Armor Tail
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 56 SpA / 200 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Helping Hand
• Protect
• Hyper Voice
• Trick Room

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon @ Life Orb
Ability: Mind's Eye
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Blood Moon
• Protect
• Earth Power
• Moonblast

Iron Hands @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 228 HP / 211 Atk / 68 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Volt Switch
• Fake Out
• Wild Charge
• Drain Punch

Goodra-Hisui (F) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sap Sipper
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 236 HP / 12 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Flash Cannon
• Thunderbolt
• Blizzard
• Flamethrower

[keen karma]

send paste please

[keen karma]

also it looks solid but im not really a fan of Special hoodra

considering i've never used it

[pseudo sapphire]

i also have blood moon ursaluna as backup depending on matchups

but goodra hits like a truck and Sinistcha can help it raise its spt. atk with sap sipper

[mighty stump]

Jesus text wall

[chrome knot]

strange to see h-goodra without body press set

[keen karma]

that's what i was saying

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump i found the click frick you

[pseudo sapphire]

yeah sorry, forgot how u can use the spoiler thing until i sent it

[orchid falcon]

Use pokepaste

[keen karma]

just use pokepaste

its a button at the bottom it says upload pokepaste

[pseudo sapphire]

ooooh

[chrome knot]

what the fuck is that dnite

[pseudo sapphire]

never seen it lol thx!

[bold geode]

[chrome knot]

monke

i hit 1400 on showdown yday =D

[bold geode]

My gyro balls

[keen karma]

uh oh

[bold geode]

Good shit Emmie

[mighty stump]

Well

• Sap Sipper raises ATK not SpA and you can't self target with a Spread move anyways.
• Ursaluna is losing out on Spread damage for free without Hyper Voice.
• Farigiraf is walled by Ghost types in general
• Ninetales has no Fairy move
• Goodra doesn't even have a Dragon STAB, and Blizzard is extremely inconsistetn
• Your Iron Hands and Farigiraf have really weird EVs

[bold geode]

We love that

[keen karma]

bo3?

[mighty stump]

Oh, OH! I'm so happy for you

[bold geode]

No

[chrome knot]

bo1 ladder, im like 1280 on bo3 rn lol

[bold geode]

Damn he didn't know
Emmie found Adam Sandler cmon

[keen karma]

i need to play bo3 ladder

ive only been playing bo1 with my 2-2-2 and suffering against ppl in 1600 elo

[solid ravine]

Adam Sandler’s VGC Regional Tournament

[keen karma]

i registered

im topcutting

I topcutted

[bold geode]

Easily winning

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to pajamasock

[chrome knot]

monke prog helped me get my lillikoal team in game and he sent me a torkoal with the feet ribbon

[mighty stump]

The what.

[keen karma]

😂

[chrome knot]

it has a ribbon and the logo is a foot

[keen karma]

we love to see it

[bold geode]

Foot

[short nebula]

how do u get that ribbon

asking for a friend

[mighty stump]

https://www.serebii.net/scarletviolet/marks.shtml

[bold geode]

Emmie can I smell the ribbon

[keen karma]

im making my own roaring moon team now

got in like 100+ games on cart with this team

[chrome knot]

erm akshually

https://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/ribbons.shtml

[keen karma]

i thought it was blackwhite

[mighty stump]

I bet you believe a straw has two holes

[bold geode]

Tf you on about Tofu

[mighty stump]

lasagna ass loony

[bold geode]

It has one dumbass

[keen karma]

he's lost his marbles

[short nebula]

tf

[mighty stump]

That's the fucken point you twit

[short nebula]

HAAHAHAHHA

[mighty stump]

Monke reading comprehension challenge; impossible

[solid ravine]

😭

[bold geode]

Hey I was busy putting grape jelly in the freezer like a dumbass

[mighty stump]

Why the fuck

[keen karma]

thats normal

[mighty stump]

Is this some weird thing where you people call jam, jelly?

[bold geode]

Who just quagged me

[solid ravine]

:3

[bold geode]

FAER HOW COULD YOU

[mighty stump]

Superquagged

[keen karma]

peanut butter and jelly sandwich 😋

[solid ravine]

superquagged 😭

[mighty stump]

double superquagged

[bold geode]

Tbh
Idk why there's a difference

[keen karma]

jelly just sounds better imo

jam sounds too much like spam to me

[solid ravine]

STOP SUPER REACTING
gets super-flipped off

[mighty stump]

Ok, more importantly

[chrome knot]

yeah so now le sserafim are gonna go win a pc :3

[mighty stump]

Chunky or smooth peanut butter

[keen karma]

smooth dude...

[bold geode]

@mighty stump

[mighty stump]

Oh so you guys have the fake stuff

[keen karma]

yeah

[bold geode]

Basically

[solid ravine]

i dont like peanut butter

[bold geode]

Also smooth peanut butter

[keen karma]

high fructose corn syrup 😋

[mighty stump]

Die

[bold geode]

Smooth peanut butter cuz I'm a smooth brain ape

[solid ravine]

real

[mighty stump]

If you're allergic it's natural selection

[solid ravine]

i am a living L in many aspects, this included :3

[short nebula]

bruh that is so out of pocket HAHHAHAH

[keen karma]

nutella vs jelly?

[bold geode]

Yeah
Imagine being allergic to a nut

[mighty stump]

I hate nutella

Its so processed

[bold geode]

I like Nutella
But jam

[keen karma]

thats fair

[mighty stump]

The oil separation also grossed me out

And its like sickeningly sweet

[keen karma]

that happens in peanut butter too wtf

[bold geode]

It is kinda sweet

[keen karma]

kinda is an understatement

[mighty stump]

Yeah but in peanut butter at least I know its 100% from the peanut

that shits added in nutella

tbf I dont buy like

[bold geode]

Tofu wants 100% nut

[mighty stump]

Skippy or Jif

So like

[keen karma]

thats true

[mighty stump]

CASHEW butter though, next level

[keen karma]

ewww

[bold geode]

I always buy store brand cuz broke bitch

[keen karma]

biscoff spread i want to try

[mighty stump]

my family like, saves on a lot of things

but we have a rule about food, cause its what you put in your body

so like, you don't really skimp on quality

health is priceless after all

[solid ravine]

true

i should stop eating junk food and eat actual foods..,,

[bold geode]

Yeah we don't do that lmao
It's not like we do bottom of the barrel, rotten shit
It's just like "hey why get this brand when this brand"

[mighty stump]

No no, its called moderation

[bold geode]

Mod?

[mighty stump]

You don't have to tell yourself to stop eating xyz

Just balance it

[bold geode]

@ moderators

[mighty stump]

It's an unhappy life otherwise if you force yourself to do something you're not really enjoying

[bold geode]

Yeah it's unhappy lmao

[solid ravine]

true

[mighty stump]

I still snack and drink sodas here and there

[keen karma]

im ngl

[bold geode]

Tofu has snack drawer

[mighty stump]

Even now im eating a banana and chocolate pastry

[keen karma]

im quitting sodas

[mighty stump]

I do

[bold geode]

Banana

[keen karma]

like here sodas are much worse than most countries

[mighty stump]

High fructose corn syrup joke yada yada

[bold geode]

Bro banana nut bread

[keen karma]

its seriously bad though

[mighty stump]

I had a bumble match bake me banana bread

So good

[keen karma]

i dont like having stuff like that in my stuff

[short nebula]

what a flex

[keen karma]

so im like not drinking that stuff anymore

[bold geode]

Ever have pumpkin bread?

[mighty stump]

Only pumpkin seeds on a seed loaf

Hated it

Hate seed loafs

Despicable thing

[bold geode]

Naw bro
Pumpkin bread so good

[keen karma]

ever have monkey bread?

[mighty stump]

Too sweet for me

Im asian, "not too sweet" is the tagline here

[bold geode]

I have some in my fridge I needa cook but yeah monkey bread is sweet lmao

[mighty stump]

I don't even remember the last time I ate like

a marshmallow

[keen karma]

im ngl i had it once

at my friends house

[bold geode]

Marshmallows on their own are fucking disgusting

[keen karma]

weirdo

[mighty stump]

I do not like smores

[bold geode]

Put that shit on a smore

[mighty stump]

Read you like a book

[bold geode]

Oh wow Tofu

[mighty stump]

Read in VGC and in life, what's next

[bold geode]

I mean hey I'm just saying it goes better with that, instead of alone

[mighty stump]

True

You know what really slaps though

A Ritz cracker with strawberry jam

My dad gave it to me and I was intensely weirded out

Until I ate it

and i was like

Dang

This actually works

Wtwf

[keen karma]

ritz and molasses

[chrome knot]

you know what actually slaps

[keen karma]

r u gonna say it

[chrome knot]

going back to bed

gn

[keen karma]

ok

[mighty stump]

[keen karma]

u ready for roaring weezing regigigas

[mighty stump]

Yeah probably

[keen karma]

is regigigas restricted?

[mighty stump]

Yep

[keen karma]

oh nvm then

is cress good on weezing balance

or actually for a better question what are examples of balance mons

[mighty stump]

If i'm being honest, I never really thought about it other than through the concept of Goodstuffs

Goodstuffs refers to a comp of just

Statwise, really good mons

Iron Hands/Arcanine/Rillaboom

Balance tends to make the most of goodstuffs mons

[bold geode]

https://fxtwitter.com/nazgoteriyaki/status/1728079852014641551?s=46&t=FIWgOpf0yRQcHBdRCEbKnw

[keen karma]

oh alr

so like flutter and mons like that would go well on it

and wells

[mighty stump]

Yer yer yer

Balance as a concept is flexible while the playstyle remains the same

You reposition to get to a board position to break through the opposing team

Rather than just getting it right from the get go and just dealing damage

[shrewd scarab]

I keep hearing people say MunchStats. What the hell is that? lol

Just googled it. It’s basically Pikalytics

[bold geode]

Yes

But Pikalytics better iirc

[shrewd scarab]

Yea I’m just gonna keep using Pikalytics. That’s what I’ve always used

[mighty stump]

or Pokestats if you want something super up to date

[shrewd scarab]

I mean being up to date is definitely prefered

[mighty stump]

Honestly the information you gleam probably wont be that different

but yea

[chrome knot]

new favourite activity is watching friend send a comp tierlist from some random ass website

[keen karma]

im considering wisp heatran

[chrome knot]

i played vs one yesterday and arma completely walled it

[keen karma]

ok but like

thats just different

why the hell did they even try to wisp you

[dapper crag]

[Latest Gen] Tatsugiri

Celebrate:

• Tatsugiri does not learn Celebrate in Generation 9

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[chrome knot]

his moveset was awful

not the wisp part

[keen karma]

what is the role of solo dozo

like what is it supposed to do

that shit does like no damage

[eternal kiln]

Be annoying and disruptive and spam yawn

[keen karma]

sounds good on weezing balance

[eternal kiln]

Not really cus weezing has will o wisp so you want to be burning lol

[dull ibex]

anyone wanna vc again?

[keen karma]

i would if you had better timing

[bold geode]

I'm busy rn too Red sadly

I'll be running errands today so

[dull ibex]

🫡

[keen karma]

we vc tonight

i spend more time shiny hunt RM

[keen karma]

works good on mons i dont want to wisp

[short nebula]

vc?

[dull ibex]

ig so

[eternal kiln]

Yeah but there’s a lot of physical mons so it has less value

[keen karma]

fair

[dull ibex]

nvm then?

[short nebula]

can yall hear me?

[keen karma]

we vc later today

[dull ibex]

ok?

that was not aimed at you

[keen karma]

no im just saying

[dull ibex]

Time to work on the ACNH drip

[fallen rivet]

Where does one find this site?

[chrome knot]

its NOT a good tierlist

i posted it to laugh at

[keen karma]

So this is your secret resource

[chrome knot]

no it aint

[dull ibex]

This is a fine tier list

This is roughly where I'd put everything

[chrome knot]

im sorry but youre stupid

[dull ibex]

Okay jerk?

It looks like a fairly standard tier list of the current vgc meta

What is wrong with it?

Minus empoleon I still think emp is fairly niche

Honestly that tier list is the only accurate thing game8 has lmao

🤔

[dull ibex]

It's called game8

Despite how accurate that tierlist might be, game8 is not a very good resource imo

[charred saddle]

d urshifu in c tho...
and id put rm and gholdengo above B, amoonguss too and farig. dnite sometimes need chienpao, but i still wouldnt put it in B

and armadeedee in C?

so much stuff is misplaced for me

[dull ibex]

Dnite is fairly niche

Rn atleast

Also yeah dark shifu isn't all that

Armadee is slightly questionable

But it's not the best atm

[tired sage]

[marble coral]

No goatres? get em outta here

[keen karma]

no its not

dragonite is still pretty good i would say niche is stretching it a bit

unless you mean solo dnite which is spotty for me because ive never played it

[dull ibex]

maybe not niche but weird

[keen karma]

i just realized we are getting paradox raikou but what about suicune and entei

[chrome knot]

walking wake…?

entei comes next aswell

[nocturne holly]

what’s poppin

Fortnite runs at 30 fps on my dogsbit pc

[molten oasis]

What’s up y’all, how we doing

[keen karma]

Hey

[molten oasis]

Hi

How’s prep for the regional going?

[keen karma]

Nowhere

I cant prep for it

[molten oasis]

Have you decided on an archetype or specific Mon you want to bring?

I feel that’s a good start

[keen karma]

No

Well i mean i have a few mons im watching

[molten oasis]

Hmm

Which ones?

[keen karma]

Araquanid, Entei both paradox and normal, raikou raging bolt and something else i think

[molten oasis]

That regional is reg f?

I thought it was reg e

[keen karma]

Yeah reg f

[molten oasis]

Wait where are you going for it?

[keen karma]

Charlotte

[molten oasis]

Ahhh

Well, all we can really do is wait lol

[keen karma]

I think its like the 2nd or 3rd tourney of reg f

[nocturne holly]

Fortnite runs at 30 fps (IN THE ITEM SHOP WITH NO PING) on my pc

[molten oasis]

Lmao

Skill issue

[nocturne holly]

It crashed a total of 8 times

I literally had a headache from troubleshooting so much yesterday

[molten oasis]

Why is your pc so shit?

[nocturne holly]

Idfk

it’s worse than shit tbh

[molten oasis]

It’s dogshit lol

[karmic temple]

Im thinking I’ll probably take the weezing/rm team to San Antonio next week or go with my fav meme team

[molten oasis]

Go for it

Weezing is funny

I just looked at your profile while trying to reply and just see the pronouns of he/him/dumb bitch lmao

[nocturne holly]

You should
Weezing is fun to pilot

esp with slaking
I’m starting to make a mental flowchart with my team

[karmic temple]

I’ve been having a lot of fun with it on ladder but honestly I just wanna meme for my first regional LMAO

[karmic temple]

I am what I am 😌 respect my stupidness

[karmic temple]

Ya I think I might yoink your slaking build in the future

[nocturne holly]

yea I just went max atk and enough spe to outspeed adamant shifu
Rest in sp def
you could add more sp def bulk

[tired sage]

i dug up this team i made a while ago and i wanna see if everything is up to date…

https://pokepast.es/d0f2aa6c30c39f1c

[molten oasis]

Real

[nocturne holly]

Drain punch ain’t it on rilla

Especially over wood hammer

[molten oasis]

Yea dp is kinda ass lol

[fallen rivet]

Ok in the event that ID somehow bans legendaries and paradoxes in the story, what’s a good team that uses none of those?

[molten oasis]

I mean

Yiu can kinda run whatever in a playthrough

[fallen rivet]

Yeah I’m just over preparing for whatever reason

The competitive player in me is overthinking

[karmic temple]

https://pokepast.es/ae17d83586a6386a

https://pokepast.es/3176717cb737d265

Here’s what I’m thinking of bringing next week. One is for the funnies and the other is for actually trying 🤭 will probably do the fez team

[bold geode]

Going to San Antonio?

[bold geode]

Also this tierlist is shit looking at it now for a few reasons
Darkshifu should be B or high C
Fezandipiti and Ursaluna Regular should NOT be in same tier
Ursaluna Regular and Empoleon should swap places
Also sadly Infernape is dogshit
Also Armadee in B AT LEAST and sadly same for Dozo Giri
Reigniting the argument but that's just how it be lmao

[tired sage]

so then i should run wood hammer instead?

[karmic temple]

Yep driving down Thursday

[bold geode]

Oh it's this weekend?

[bold geode]

Absofuckinlutely

[tired sage]

alright!

everything else is okay?

[bold geode]

Looks alright to me

[karmic temple]

Next Thursday I mean whoops

[bold geode]

Lmao
I was starting to say

[tired sage]

idk how viable kommo-o is now…

[karmic temple]

Yeah I drive down next Thursday and check in that night I’m hyped for my first event

[chrome knot]

bae….

[charred saddle]

grassy glide and wood hammer is staple in rilla

very good stab + terrain

[tired sage]

don’t worry i changed it
it’s a team i dug up from a month ago

[fallen rivet]

And then like uturn and hh?

[chrome knot]

fake out & hh

[fallen rivet]

Forgor about that thanks

[robust jackal]

Whoa...

[tired sage]

hh on rilla-?

[robust jackal]

you know what I just realized

[fallen rivet]

What

[robust jackal]

Iron hands is like, insanely broken right

[tired sage]

wait i’m so confused-

[fallen rivet]

Indeed

[fallen rivet]

That was in response to someone else sorry

[robust jackal]

and it's this broken basically without any ability

[fallen rivet]

Yep

[nocturne holly]

as monke said
absofuckinlutely

[tired sage]

oh mb

[chrome knot]

high horsepower

[robust jackal]

I had to ask myself for once wait what is hands ability

[fallen rivet]

Quark drive lul

[tired sage]

oh i thought hh was helping hand

[nocturne holly]

🤮 lost fucking brain cells from imitating monke 🤮🤮

[chrome knot]

nooo :3

[nocturne holly]

It’s both
context

[robust jackal]

Maybe that will be relevant in restricted formats when miraidon is back in the meta

[tired sage]

i’m used to raiding and supporting

[nocturne holly]

nah you’re good
Meant to say
Based on context

[charred saddle]

if youre team have nice coverage for ground uturn for pivoting is nice

[bold geode]

Good luck

[nocturne holly]

Wouldn’t go as far as to call it broken, but yea it would be even MORE of a menace with an ability

[keen karma]

Got roaring shiny

[robust jackal]

It's like top 2 usage but ig it's not like

incineroar levels, at least not yet

Wait the DLC isn't out yet is it?

I'm a little out of the loop but curious if they will nerf incineroar

I mean they went absolutely ham on zacian

[tired sage]

[tired sage]

only cause ogerpon fire’s tera ability is just zacian intrepid sword
no that’s not the actual reason but…

[ripe ember]

Ogerpon is disguting they really made it strong

[charred saddle]

all ogerpon dmg is increased by1.2 iirc

firepon +1 atk when tera

on top of that 1.2 buff

[next stump]

as far as we know, no nerf to incin

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1017: Ogerpon-Hearthflame

Types

Grass/Fire

Abilities

Mold Breaker

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/120/84/60/96/110

Total

550

Base Species

Ogerpon

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[charred saddle]

oh wait how do you check that thing again, from mask?

[robust jackal]

I was thinking they'd at least cut into his movepool a little bit

[dapper crag]

Item: Hearthflame Mask

Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 1.2x power attacks; Terastallize to gain Embody Aspect.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[next stump]

they can really only take parting shot away

[dapper crag]

Item: Cornerstone Mask

Ogerpon-Cornerstone: 1.2x power attacks; Terastallize to gain Embody Aspect.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[keen karma]

Imagine they remove intim 😂

[next stump]

but considering they gave it to grimm, i bet incin keeps it

[keen karma]

How do i get galarian weezing by evolving btw

[charred saddle]

@tired sage

[robust jackal]

ig he gets to be the goat for another gen

especially with koraidon around in restricted formats we might need him just to keep that offense in check cuz GEEZ

[charred saddle]

evolve in swsh iirc

[keen karma]

Thats lame

[charred saddle]

[robust jackal]

I mean yeah it is

ever since that first DLC on-cart pokemon has been rapidly declining in accessibility

[keen karma]

Thats how they make money 🤷‍♂️

[robust jackal]

the beginning of swsh was actually almost kind of looking up as far as building teams on cart went but then they added broken dlc mons, pokemon home only mons, tera shards

it's wack

[keen karma]

I just dont want to use my shiny galarian weezing

[tired sage]

:0

[charred saddle]

so yes firepon does a shitton of dmg

1.2x dmg increase on top of +1 atk stats

• stab ivy cudgel +1 crit

if you focus energy it became guaranteed crits

and sun can still boost it

[next stump]

it is super lame that you need to own multiple past games to get every legal pokemon

[keen karma]

It is very especially for stuff as simple as regional variants

Bro im playing a tera steel flutter wtf

[nocturne holly]

I wanna test Tera blast ground flutter
Best offensive coverage
It would maybe work on specs

[robust jackal]

flutter can work with a ton of different sets

It probably works really well especially on ladder, with flutter it's moreso about is it optimal and what team would like to have that option

[keen karma]

My sets are normally pretty standard

And now that i think abt it steel actually might be valid

Since im planning on specs mane

It allows it to resist alot

So i might run that

[cyan smelt]

Man the trailer for the indigo disk is out at 12am for me

[ripe ember]

youtube is recommending me vgc content lol

some big channels out there fr

[fallen rivet]

I might actually try that for the dlc

Probably would do sash or o r b for move flexibility though

[ripe ember]

been watching cybertron

i fel big brain

[next stump]

8AM for me, I gotta sneak off during work hahaha

[cyan smelt]

Hope they don't spoil anything, I want to be surprised about dipplin's evo

[charred saddle]

when is the trailer?

[cyan smelt]

1400 utc

[charred saddle]

[ripe ember]

i want the dlc so bad

[chrome knot]

<t:1701957600:f>

[keen karma]

https://pokepast.es/339edf75af2fa920 what do you think of this team?

the roaring set is something i tried on a rental that i liked

[next stump]

is that booster SPE or ATK

[molten oasis]

No tailwind is so weird to me

[keen karma]

atk

[keen karma]

it was for me at first too

[molten oasis]

This team has no speed control either

[next stump]

the team is kinda bad into scarf urshifu, but overall it seems solid

[keen karma]

but acro does so much damage

[molten oasis]

But it’s probably fine

[keen karma]

even if you miss out on the tera flying

[karmic temple]

Probably best to not watch it then bc you know they’re going to show off at least 1-2 new pokemon from the dlc

[cyan smelt]

I still want to watch

I need this DLC lol

[ripe ember]

for real wow

[karmic temple]

I mean it wouldn’t surprise me if they showed off the two new legendaries/paradoxes or the dipplin evo

[fallen rivet]

I’m curious about gunk shot over sludge bomb and the rest of urshi’s moves but otherwise pretty neat

[cyan smelt]

Oh yeah hopefully they show off paradox entei and terrakion

[chrome knot]

we up

[next stump]

congrats 🙂

[ripe ember]

what is this ?

[chrome knot]

my completed registration for a regional in february

[bright spire]

[molten oasis]

Here are my thoughts on the reg e mons, there’s probably things I’m wrong about, top 2 tiers are ranked

Ceru should be a tier lower

[icy vale]

Is there any team recommendations for the Sword and Shield battle tower? I want to get the ribbon on my Duraludon before I bring it to Scarlet next week. Since the opponents like to use comp strats I thought I'd ask here

[karmic temple]

The battle tower in swsh is fairly easy you can do a sun team of groudon charizard zacian and like lando t and that should be enough to beat most of the trainers if not all

[keen karma]

move koal up

[karmic temple]

I’m sure there are some example teams somewhere on google

[molten oasis]

Koal isn’t impacting enough rn

Half the time you want sun you do torn

I think all weather setters (except ttar) are on the same level

[keen karma]

i have never seen a torn setting sun ngl

[molten oasis]

Because torn exists

[cyan smelt]

Everyone is running rain dance torn to counteract sun

[molten oasis]

That’s weird

Sunny day is fairly common with oger chi yu or Tran

[keen karma]

i normally see ppl running koal flutter or lilikoal

[molten oasis]

Well yea with what Kal said

[icy vale]

Well I've so far got to rank 6 with the pokéball rank for single battles, I need to keep a spot open for Duraludon so that would only leave two other spots

[molten oasis]

Rain dance torn is too common

If not I’d agree but its too common

That goes for a9 too

A9 would be better if torn didn’t exist

But it does so, oh well

[karmic temple]

Do if you do doubles you can always spam dazz gleam togekiss + earthquake garchomp and clean up with a zacian/eternatus. Once you hit master ball all the pokemon in your party get a ribbon not just the ones you use

[icy vale]

Ah got it

[fallen rivet]

Kyogre is going to love this meta

[cyan smelt]

Miraidon is gonna eat kyogre for breakfast

[fallen rivet]

I think they’d form a good core tbh

[ripe ember]

where can we use Miraidon ?

[charred saddle]

cough cough tera grass rilla and glide says hello

and waterpon and gastro still being a menace

[cyan smelt]

Water spout still hits both targets even with water absorb/storm drain

[charred saddle]

protect, and waterpon woodhammer/ horn leech

then spout wont do much

but yeah still itll be a menace too haha

scarf tera water in rain spout scary

[cyan smelt]

Rilla is still the best counter for kyogre/Groudon

[charred saddle]

ye

[ripe ember]

where do you guys play with miradion kyogre and groudon

[charred saddle]

nowhere, restricted isnt in

[nocturne holly]

Slaking weezing hard to pilot
you HAVE to keep weezing alive to do shit

Honestly I might go max def

[smoky hawk]

Some formats on showdown or casual battles in game

[nocturne holly]

I have to be more offensive with slaking

weezing balance is like having only one mon

[keen karma]

no?

dont force slaking in matchups

[nocturne holly]

while having weezing

[ripe ember]

is heatran good, i see it used in doubles battles and I just got one in Sword

[cyan smelt]

Yes heatran is good

[dapper crag]

yeah pretty handy one

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/a3917bc41c63fad7 would scarf landot work over flutter or harc?

[bold geode]

Over Harc more or less
Double Intimidate ain't it tbh

[nocturne holly]

that’s what I was thinking
Then band can go to slaking

but av is really good too…

[icy vale]

That was not the case, I just finished master rank and only the Pokémon I used got the ribbon

[mighty stump]

Odd, if your team wins in Master rank all pokemon within the team regardless if they joined the battle or not should get the ribbon

[icy vale]

Is that applied to the battle tower since that's what I was asking about?

[keen karma]

@dull ibex @molten oasis vc?

[dull ibex]

depedns

[keen karma]

on?

[mighty stump]

Oh, Tower Master?

Im less sure about that, with Tower Master I just bring the pokemon I intend to get ribbons on

Since I use Zacian/Kyogre

I ahve 2 slots free

[icy vale]

They must've mixed up the ribbons then or thought they worked the same way

[mighty stump]

Duraludon is also a good mon anyways once EV'd so it can participate in the battle

Definitely in Battle Tower

[icy vale]

I have one EV trained in attack and I gave her a life orb and I patched her to have Stalwart

[mighty stump]

Special Attack?

or Attack

[icy vale]

Regular attack since I assumed Duraludon is a physical attacker

[mighty stump]

Special Attacker

[icy vale]

Why does it learn so many physical attacks then?

That's weird

[mighty stump]

Dunno, but its statline points to SpA

[dull ibex]

who else joins

[mighty stump]

Spectrier is a SpAtker with terrible distribution

So it happens more often than not

Duraludon wants Flash Cannon/Draco Meteor/Thunderbolt/Protect

for Battle Tower purposes you can run Max HP Max SpA

[icy vale]

It currently only knows one of those moves

[mighty stump]

Duraludon @ Life Orb
Ability: Stalwart
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Flash Cannon
• Draco Meteor
• Thunderbolt
• Protect

[keen karma]

I dont think any1 else is joining so gn

[mighty stump]

If you were running AV it'd look a bit different, but still the same moves. I don't think you'd need AV

AV as in Assault Vest

[dull ibex]

where is the eviolite

[keen karma]

Shouldn’t it be able to run eviolite actually

Since the apple mon can

[dull ibex]

probably not, its not even in the game yet

[mighty stump]

This is for Battle Tower in SwSh

[icy vale]

Well I just finished battle 3 of my second run of master rank for the tower so hopefully I can stay consistent

[dull ibex]

ooo battle tower how far in are you?

[icy vale]

I'm basically just trying to get all the SwSh ribbons on this Duraludon before I evolve her and she can't come back into the game

[mighty stump]

EVs carry between HOME anyways, so it'll be a lot smoother with proper EVs

[dull ibex]

dura wants max hp?

[mighty stump]

So from Battle Tower itll be able to go with you in Indigo Disk all ready

[keen karma]

Wait actually i was gonna ask a question abt that

Because my salamence evs did not carry over

And it had 0 atk for sure when i checked

[dull ibex]

good luck!

[mighty stump]

I mean youre base 70 HP lol

The gap between HP/SpDef isnt huge like Tusk/Iron Hands

[dull ibex]

I think im max speed and max special attack

[icy vale]

EVs and patched abilities don't transfer over if I remember right?

[dull ibex]

they do

[mighty stump]

EVs do

Not sure about patched abilities, but they should

[dull ibex]

its just moveset and item that dont transfer iirc

[keen karma]

Ivs dont transfer over righr?

[mighty stump]

IVs always remain constant lol

[dull ibex]

everything except moves and items

[mighty stump]

They don't randomise your IVs everytime you transfer

[dull ibex]

evs ivs abilties all still

[keen karma]

Then wtf happened to my mence

[dull ibex]

it was always like that

[icy vale]

Well I might as well go to the EV resetting NPC in IoA before I transfer her

[dull ibex]

I named my dura steely dan

[keen karma]

Gimmigjoul coins are so fun to get

[icy vale]

Battle 4 finished, 6 more to go

[icy vale]

And just finished battle 10, strangely Leon's Charizard used Max Gyser on my Kyogre which is weird since its used max overgrowth on it before. That was a weird final battle but finally done with it at least

His other two Pokémon were Intenelon and Mr. Rime. My Kyogre knows Thunder so I took Intenelon out immediately, he used Charizard next and then Mr. Rime didn't do anything

[ripe ember]

Ultra Ball !

[onyx charm]

https://vxtwitter.com/WeSpikeANDSpin/status/1732377604861112801

[fallen rivet]

Ah yes, the unseasoned tatsugiri. Raises critical hit chance

[molten oasis]

Me sleeping me tired from work

[cyan smelt]

just lost to bullshit gravnosis i'm pissed

should've led deedee drago

[knotty mirage]

Damn people still using that

[mighty stump]

The celebrate tatsu is so kek

[mighty stump]

Be less pissed about literally everything

[cyan smelt]

gravnosis is cheese though

[mighty stump]

Yeah but it doesn’t mean you gotta be mad about it, because its the environment you’re gonna have to expect

Like every time

You get mad about literally almost everything

[knotty mirage]

I wonder did they open with speed booster valiant and sableye

[chrome knot]

pp fart

[brisk hatch]

Can anyone check this Id#
562445

Is this pokemon genned??

It's a shiny regidrago..
The guy told me it was legit

[knotty mirage]

Maybe it's better to ask on #hackcheck_discussion

[brisk hatch]

Thanks

[wispy spade]

Does SA mean anything to vgc players?

[charred saddle]

SA?

[wispy spade]

The only thing i can think of is sand attack

[short nebula]

guys how does the in game ladder work

is it based on ur WR%?

[wispy spade]

You get points for winning and lose points for losing

[short nebula]

oh coz i realised when my wr% is neg i go up slower

but when my wr% is positive i go up way way faster

[wispy spade]

Oh, i don't know that. Someone probably have the exact formula somewhere

[mighty stump]

San Antonio

Its the upcoming regional

[mighty stump]

Based on your WR% you gain certain amount of elo points

Winstreaking is also important to elo points cause theres probably a similar hidden MMR system

Where it already accurately placed your rank in advance

[short nebula]

ah i see

[mighty stump]

According to your performance

So ifr it gauges that you're meant to be in a higher elo, you will gain more elo

per win

[short nebula]

been playing so many teams my ranks dropped to 7k

and my wr is at 50%

[chrome knot]

tofu fly across the world lets go to a regional me you and prog

[mighty stump]

Showdown has a similar system like Chess does with GXE and Glicko

[mighty stump]

If I had that kind of money I wouldn;t be on discord playing Pokemon

[short nebula]

oh cool this makes sense

[chrome knot]

boooooooooo

[mighty stump]

Honestly you dont really need to care about WR as much if youre just trying to improve

And even on showdown you can just make an alt and just aim to maintain a higher GXE or something

[short nebula]

i havent tried playing on showdown

[deep sparrow]

My cart ladder grind has been a struggle 😂 I’m like 17w/16L.

[short nebula]

i just use that website to create teams and play on my switch haha

[mighty stump]

You don't necessarily hahve to, its just faster

and more efficient

with resources

[short nebula]

bruh i am like 72 w 72L rn

[mighty stump]

and lets you gauge with real numbers the performance of the team

[short nebula]

i wanna kms

[short nebula]

oh what numbers do they show?

[deep sparrow]

It’s like my 2nd season playing ladder, so just using it as experience. Slowly starting to make predictions with leads, plays, etc. just gotta stop second guessing myself

[short nebula]

what does gxe and glicko mean

anotjer form of elo?

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

So like for example heres one of my alts

Elo is obviously your elo

GXE is your % likelihood to win against a random opponent

Glicko is the approximate elo with standard deviation where the system expects you to sit

and obviously W/L

[short nebula]

ohhhh ok thats cool

and wow look at that WR hahha

[mighty stump]

So generally at the bare minimum you'd wanna have 55% GXE

like bare minimum

[deep sparrow]

The more I focus on W/L the worse I typically do. I just don’t pay attention to it 😂

[mighty stump]

The best metric would be within 100 games you'd wanna have a high GXE with a decent elo placing

depending on the ladder or how many games you play

doesn't have to be 100 games

could be beyond

[molten oasis]

How we doing today y’all

[short nebula]

like thats your goal before u bring it to the in game ladder?

[mighty stump]

and also you want to tend to stick with a team per alt sometimes

[mighty stump]

my personal metric is high elo + 70% GXE

it depends from person to person

comfort is the number 1 most important thing

[short nebula]

and 1 more qn how often does the meta change in pokemon

[cyan smelt]

i'm nowhere near 70% gxe

[deep sparrow]

Ready to go home. Lmao. You?

[mighty stump]

Metashifts are common in the mini-variations you get

the only huge metashifts are like the upcoming one

which you're about to experience

cause the DLC is about to release

[short nebula]

ah i see

[mighty stump]

Mini-meta shifts are like Brambleghast/Salamence increasing in usage

[molten oasis]

I’m chilling, I’m playing unite rn

[short nebula]

is it fun or is it just mostly stressful ahhahah

[mighty stump]

or like Kingambit and Bundle

Wel

Depends on hwo you view it

[short nebula]

last night i bump into a new psyspam team

[mighty stump]

For me, its both, cause I need to figure out my footing in the new ladder, + produce a solid rental and learn the metagame so I can accurately advise people

[short nebula]

or at least new to me its armour with endure

[mighty stump]

Thats the old weakness policy cheese

[short nebula]

idk how to handle that at all

[molten oasis]

Oh the endure weakness policy cheese

[mighty stump]

Usually you can deal with it if you have redirection or a dark type

since they cant trigger it, unless they have spread

[short nebula]

i have rilla to swap in but i cant seem to get the timing down

[mighty stump]

Its weirder with the WP Psyspam stuff

[molten oasis]

One time I fought it I just ignored it til the end of the game

[short nebula]

wp?

[molten oasis]

Weakness policy

[short nebula]

ah yea so they trigger it with a turn 1 endure and EQ

[mighty stump]

55 is the minimum

[mighty stump]

Oh, the roaring moon version

[short nebula]

yea

[cyan smelt]

i'm nowhere near 55 either

[mighty stump]

You can just run lead Fake out

[molten oasis]

Yea

[mighty stump]

Just means you got something to work on

[short nebula]

so fake out into KO roaring?

[charred saddle]

right at 55

[molten oasis]

I saw tofu fight a dragapult version

That was weird lol

I haven’t really touched bo3 on this account

I need to

Just haven’t

[mighty stump]

you can just FO the Armarouge

let it hit itself lol

and kill Arma

Although

I dont remember if Endure had equal priority to Protect

Im pretty sure it does

So probably the Moon

[short nebula]

its +4

[mighty stump]

Yeah so equal to protect, so

[short nebula]

i rmb googling it last night was on tilt coz of that team

so idea is FO into moon then ignore Amar for the rest of the game right

[mighty stump]

I wouldnt say

Ignore Arma for the rest of the game

If you have something like Heatran and I remember you do

It should deal with Armarouge

Cause if you have Grassy Terrain

EQ does less

i.e. half

[short nebula]

hahahha i was playing this team coz i went on a 10 game losing streak on my own team

https://pokepast.es/3a0731150bbb0040

[mighty stump]

Elo decay make me sad

[short nebula]

practically gave up on making my own team 🤡

[molten oasis]

[mighty stump]

I mean

Teambuilding is a skill initself

[molten oasis]

Not the elo decay

[mighty stump]

Just because you play well doesn't mean you can teambuild well

vice versa

[molten oasis]

Teambuilding is something I struggle with a bit

[mighty stump]

Originality is overrated compared to actually making good teams

[molten oasis]

But usually I play pretty well

[short nebula]

what is overrated?

[mighty stump]

Originality

[cyan smelt]

should i stay up til midnight to watch the trailer

[molten oasis]

Being original usually leads to bad teambuilding

[mighty stump]

People have too much focus on wanting to build their own teams without realising the amount of work it actually entails

[short nebula]

Oh i read that sentence wrong

[molten oasis]

Yes ofc, I’m staying up all night for it 🫠

[mighty stump]

When Dorse on the Lorse used to be peak pepecry

[molten oasis]

At the start specifically

[mighty stump]

That Corviknight team was such a call

[molten oasis]

Pepecry indeed

Remember when corv was usable lol

[mighty stump]

I should probably take the time to sit down and ladder properly to an actual elo

[short nebula]

whats borse on the lorse hahah

[mighty stump]

Its meant to be horse on the loose

but my brain farted and said dorse on the lorse

[molten oasis]

Like start of reg d I think corv just dropped off the map completely

[mighty stump]

so

[short nebula]

hahahahah

[mighty stump]

that became the alt name

I still remember when I was new

I havent touched my main properly in forever

The number of games in my first year of comp

[molten oasis]

Same, I play on alts so much more now

[mighty stump]

lmao

also, when Gen9 first came out

[molten oasis]

2000+ games god fucking damn

[molten oasis]

Series 1, what a time to be around

[mighty stump]

ikr

[molten oasis]

Murkrow was meta lol

[mighty stump]

I feel a mix of being content where I am

and like

forced to ladder so people actually listen to what i say

but atp

i dont actually care about laddering lmao

[short nebula]

wait so do u 2 make your own teams?

[mighty stump]

I make all of my teams, yes

I even have a blog to showcase my own original teams

[short nebula]

can i take a look?

hahahha

[molten oasis]

It didn’t crop properly but like

[mighty stump]

https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/ feel free

[molten oasis]

You can see the improvement from the past regs

And then through alts my elo for reg e is better

Averaging 55% usually

[mighty stump]

Im just chillin atp

life is busy

and im less inclined to actually grind it out so hard

might try and see if i can hit t500 on bo3 ladder ig

[molten oasis]

Yea I’m not worried about ladder until reg f

Once reg f hits I’ll probably get back on the grind

[cyan smelt]

reg f should be fun, incin, whimsicott and metagross

[molten oasis]

My first rental will be featuring most likely wake

Or bolt

Or Archaludon

[cyan smelt]

i want to use paradox entei or terrakion

[molten oasis]

I hope we get that reveal today

[cyan smelt]

and iron crown looks good, hopefully it's fast, it'd be bad to have that signature move and be slow

[molten oasis]

Wasn’t it’s signature like

Some kind of double hit steel type move

[cyan smelt]

Yep tachyon cutter

We'll probably see a lot of sun and rain teams ft walking wake

[molten oasis]

I think wake whims has good potential

Wake whims incin

Whims incin puts torn in a pretty shit spot

[cyan smelt]

I'm going to try not to use incin then probably begrudgingly end up using it

[mighty stump]

I mean covert cloak

[molten oasis]

Well that’s the thing

Mostly in CTS at least

If a torn is mental herb it has to take fake out

[mighty stump]

The thing is

Torns can just click Bleakwind in that position

[molten oasis]

Or Tera ghost, in the case it’s cloak it has to Tera dark to stop taunt from whims

That is also true

[mighty stump]

TornShifu also can just Surging Incin

So your Fake Out is forced into Urshi’s slot

[molten oasis]

Tornshifu doing torn shifu things lol

That’s fair I didn’t think about shifu

[mighty stump]

If i’d hazard a guess id just click tailwind, let then equalise and just parting shot the Torn slot into something like Flutter

[molten oasis]

That makes sense

[mighty stump]

So you dont even have to care anout Covert

[molten oasis]

I’m hoping torn falls even a little bit in usage with whims coming back but I wouldn’t be surprised if it stays just as relevant

Tornshifu is so strong as it is

[molten oasis]

True

Maybe things change if torn isn’t next to shifu but, who knows tbh

[mighty stump]

I mean think about it

Fake Out + Tailwind is a very passive turn

So is Taunt + Fake Out, especially into a single slot

[molten oasis]

Yea ig you’re not getting much out of it

[cyan smelt]

Torn archaludon with electro shot and rain dance

[vapid hedge]

Can someone tell me why therian landorus is in every game i play atm? Often along with both tornadus and thundorus

[molten oasis]

Lando T is really good

[cyan smelt]

Best intimidator until incin comes back

[mighty stump]

Typing, strong intimidate, pivot power

[vapid hedge]

But it used to be other form for such a long time, i pushed milotic into my team to counter it and now its gone

Now its lando with life orb and sandsear storm spam hahaha

[mighty stump]

Thats a recent development

[lofty tartan]

Oh Lando T is definitely not gone. Like 90% of my ladder matches have Lando T on my opponent's side.

Premier intimidators right now are Harc and LandoT

[cyan smelt]

i think i'll go to bed instead of waiting up for the trailer

[knotty mirage]

Is there a way to counter lilikoal pyspam team ?

[molten oasis]

Uhhh, torn rilla is probably decent into that

[knotty mirage]

Rilla ?

[bright spire]

Rilla boom

[cyan smelt]

imprison flutter always shuts me down when i try to use psyspam

[knotty mirage]

You sure it will not get ohkod by torkoal