competitive_discussion

[gentle delta]

Its not a team I’ll personally use but its one of the best most innovative psyspam teams ive seen

[dapper crag]

why wouldn't you use a good team that is getting results ?

[gentle delta]

And im a guy who’s literally trying to make a living off the archetype one day. I comb all results all the time to evaluate what people come up with

[dull ibex]

are you going to use palkia in restricted format?

[gentle delta]

It strikes me as the kind of team that will fall off now that is had a result

Because its somewhat predictable if you’ve seen it before

[keen ridge]

do maybe 2 people want to try multi battles with me and my friend? this is probably not the right place to post but we want to try it lol

[dapper crag]

but you play OTS which is all about prediction and optimal play no ?

[gentle delta]

I also generally stopped being a fan of Liligant a while ago

[gentle delta]

That’s exactly why it’s predictable

[dapper crag]

so a team that is good into prediction based open team sheet isn't good ?

[gentle delta]

Its the kinda team that preys on people not knowing what to do against it even with OTS

[dapper crag]

seems a bit odd call

[gentle delta]

Take Tom Haydens Reg D Trickroom team as a similar example.

He went 7-0 Day 1 at Beast Coast, 0-6 Day 2

[dapper crag]

isn't it the point, if the team does well because it's hard to lead into then it's a good team into predictible format imo

[gentle delta]

Because that night people put their brains together to figure out how to combat it

[gentle delta]

Yes, but now that the team is known it will be easier to lead into

[dapper crag]

this is a reg E team

reg D is already past, vgc format rotate

[gentle delta]

I know

I was making a direct comparison

About how once a team is known it sometimes stop being good

In the same tournament he went from a 7-0 day 1 to a 0-6 day 2 because after Day 1 the teams were all published

So people say it, studied it, and knew how to beat it with the teams they had

[dapper crag]

that doesn't make sense, this team is great try it

[gentle delta]

This Drago team strikes me as that, now that it has had an amazing result people wont stumble against it as much

[gentle delta]

I already have

I test all interesting Armarouge teams

But its not my style personally so even if it won 3 regionals in a row i wouldnt be on it

I dont try to copy I try to innovate

And Im not a Liligant enjoyer these days

Ive missed enough important Sleep Powders

The cut and dry is it wont get people as hard now that people know it exists.

But it has given me ideas on how to apply Drago in future builds

Its definitely an absurd team for cart though

If someone asked me rn for a team just for cart id probably recommend it

[chrome knot]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[dull ibex]

hi

[next stump]

dead chat

[lofty tartan]

[keen karma]

Same man :/

Peeps dont get it

Everytime i make a new team i purposefully try to make something different

I might use ditto

[lofty tartan]

I mean there's innovating and then there's forcing bad things to be different, too

[keen karma]

Ditto isnt bad though

Especially with imposter

[lofty tartan]

[keen karma]

Although it will be tough to use

You copy abilities and moves on switch in

[lofty tartan]

Well it certainly isn't "good" because it isn't consistent

[keen karma]

I see it more as a way to optimize matchups

[lofty tartan]

That does not optimize anything

It matches one thing your opponent has

That may or may not be good for you

It's literally the definition of inconsistent

[keen karma]

It may be inconsistent

But its mostly a 6th

For instance i run a hard tw team and i go against a dusclops

Ditto will be there to copy one of the tr mons

Idk just something i would teat

Not really all too serious

[lofty tartan]

This take is so incorrect and hot I don't even want to touch it. Suffice to say, for anyone else that may actually want viable information from this channel:

You can make up literally any situation to try and support your point because pokemon is complicated and situations are wildly varied. But consistency is extremely important

And Ditto is not good for VGC right now

Probably at all? But I can't quite call that one yet.

[keen karma]

I acknowledged it was inconsistent but i just claimed it wasnt really a serious idea YET

Im just gonna try it on a new alt and see where it gets me on bo3 ladder

[lofty tartan]

You also claimed it wasn't bad, which is definitely incorrect, and tried to create a situation to argue it being an effective pick, which it is not.

So I'm helping deter impressionable readers looking for ideas

[keen karma]

Oops mb

[lofty tartan]

I know when I lurked in here I thought everyone talking knew more than me, so I beleived more than I should have

[keen karma]

It def is bad

[lofty tartan]

Now I know I was wrong to do that

Yeah I'm not saying YOU'RE bad. Just Ditto

[keen karma]

Yeah i agree

[summer shore]

😶

[keen karma]

Do you play vgc

[summer shore]

No

[tawny coyote]

I'm looking for people to battle my lucario

he's lv 61

[placid thorn]

What for?

[mellow barn]

[smoky hawk]

I'm liking tr + imprison right now

[keen karma]

what is your team

[smoky hawk]

Flutter, bundle, eleki, tornadus, lando-t, ogerpon

[keen karma]

dude

you're running imprison on flutter

first of all i can see your problem here

1 you dont have a fake out user rillaboom would help alot into tr matches

2. you already have bundle so why are you slotting eleki

this team already has torn and bundle eleki is just overkill and damaging your team

what ogerpon

[mighty stump]

This doesn't seem like necessary advice lol

[keen karma]

bundle torn and eleki is doing way too much

[mighty stump]

Its just very fast HO

I mean

[keen karma]

hes also slotting imprison on flutter too

[mighty stump]

And its fine?

Eleki does well into opposing Torns and pressures Torn-Shifu leads

So does Bundle, which also means that the team isnt necessary to run TW

The only thing I would consider to actually be a point of concern would be bulkier teams due to how frail that setup is

[keen karma]

but then why run torn

[mighty stump]

? Equalise?

Torn-Flutter-Ogerpon-Lando can still work

[keen karma]

arent tr teams normally the more bulky ones

[mighty stump]

Im not saying it's the best set up but I don't see a problem with it

Clearly Topaz is more focused on beating out Psyspam

[keen karma]

or are you referring to hoodra or screens

[mighty stump]

Whcih is the more common setup at the moment

Less screens; Screens teams are meh

Another thing Torn is useful there is to just prevent setup cause it can run Taunt

[keen karma]

everything runs mental herb 😭

wait acutally if hes running ots its solid

also yesterday you mentioned something abt bramble being anti-meta do you have any teams that you have seen

[mighty stump]

I haven't seen any

[mighty stump]

Just check GDansk regional

Its in top 8

[chrome knot]

[gentle crag]

setsumizi has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[chrome knot]

why on earth was laughing a +rep

[keen karma]

idk

[chrome knot]

take that back you get like -25 for the iron hands raid

[smoky hawk]

I'm actually thinking to replace bundle with urshifu

[keen karma]

thats valid

are you running thunder on eleki

[chrome knot]

tbolt no?

[mighty stump]

Listen

You absolute wet noodle

You didn't even FIND A 4TH

[chrome knot]

was like the funniest thing ive ever seen

[mighty stump]

I felt like it would have been funnier

if you saw my face

in person

Cause I was already like

Sleep deprived

at 4 am

[chrome knot]

omg what was ur reaction

[mighty stump]

I let out a very audible "oh" and then "static noises playing in brain"

[chrome knot]

LMAO

sounds about right

[smoky hawk]

Nah, tbolt. I don't have rain dance on torn. However, that is something I'll consider if I do replace bundle with urshifu

[chrome knot]

i was watching mario party and i heard the shield go up and i fucking lost it

[mighty stump]

HAHAHAHHA

[chrome knot]

thats when i was

berserk with typing bc it was such an i told you so

[mighty stump]

"WATCH THIS YOU FUCKEN CHICKENWING"

• PROCEEDS TO FAIL MISERABLY

[chrome knot]

LMFAO

god ur such a loon

[mighty stump]

Okay

But

At least

Im not a one crack

[keen karma]

iron hands raid???

[mighty stump]

You fucken GORKY

[keen karma]

what is a gorky

[mighty stump]

Inside joke

But heres the meme

Oh

nevermind but its like

if you google translate japanese names

Machoke's apparently translates to Gorky

[keen karma]

thats odd

[chrome knot]

ABSOLUTE snubber

[mighty stump]

Eat ass you cherry tomato

[chrome knot]

LOL

i will

[keen karma]

for goats

cherry tomatoes i mean

[mighty stump]

Real

[bold geode]

Stfu you one crack

[smoky hawk]

Anyone know how often scarf lando is with jolly nature?

I believe they are mostly adamant but if I use adamant scarf urshifu and they have jolly scarf lando, they outspeed and win with tera blast

[keen karma]

You cant really calc for that so you are gonna be outspeeding shifus unless they also run jolly

[smoky hawk]

As a urshifu user, that's what I'm concerned about. I'm wondering if urshifu should run adamant or jolly with scarf

[keen karma]

I havent seen many jolly landos

But i also dont really check evs so we never know

But worst comes to worst you can just run icy wind

[next stump]

I think an increasing amount are

[bold geode]

More adamant nature nowadays
Rarely ever jolly

[next stump]

but also urshifu still wins the 1v1 with tera even if you underspeed

[bold geode]

Wait jolly be coming back?

[next stump]

my urshifu gets outsped at least half the time

[bold geode]

Damn
Me with Baxcalibur:

196+ Atk Baxcalibur Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Landorus-Therian: 132-160 (80.4 - 97.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Lol

[keen karma]

i mean the thing is there is still not really a super major drop off in damage (at least i dont think) for running jolly over adamant

[mighty stump]

Its major enough for relevant OHKOs

252+ Atk Tera-Flying Landorus-Therian Tera Blast vs. 68 HP / 116 Def Flutter Mane: 146-172 (105 - 123.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Tera-Flying Landorus-Therian Tera Blast vs. 68 HP / 116 Def Flutter Mane: 134-158 (96.4 - 113.6%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

This is a roll when we know Flutters are also bulkier than this

252 Atk Tera-Flying Landorus-Therian Tera Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Chi-Yu: 120-142 (91.6 - 108.3%) -- 50% chance to OHKO 50/50
252+ Atk Tera-Flying Landorus-Therian Tera Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Chi-Yu: 132-156 (100.7 - 119%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Guaranteed vs a 50/50

and some run a degree of bulk and go even for just second bump

2nd Bump is a 50/50 while Jolly just never KOs

[keen karma]

ah

[mighty stump]

Like theres obviously justification

For me, Id rather retain the damage output of Adamant

[keen karma]

im dumb mb

[mighty stump]

Like the logic of Jolly makes sense

[smoky hawk]

I'm currently running AV lando

It beats flutter for sure

[oak trail]

What's the multiplier for stat changes +/- ? Been a while I forget

[next stump]

1.5x for +1, 2x for +2

that’s for boosts

-1 is 2/3rds, -2 is 1/2, etc.

[smoky hawk]

Start with 2/2 and raise the numerator for buffs or denominator for debuffs

[oak trail]

Well that's easy to remember

[smoky hawk]

That's something I was taught a long time ago. Yes, very easy to remember 👍

[dull ibex]

Hi

[karmic temple]

https://pokepast.es/e5e995cc4fa11507

Before I keep cooking what we think of this so far?

[mighty stump]

offensive

[dull ibex]

hello

[nocturne holly]

what should I cook next

I have a ton of shit to work on so doubt I can climb anymore today

Before the season ends

[nocturne holly]

alr so im thinking about hatterene+arma+indeedee+sneasler
im hesitant because of triple psychic
also how should i go about building hatt

[neon sparrow]

Question what tera type is best competitively for clodsire?

& What would be the best held item for him?

(I need him to beat my friend who likes using Miraidon in all his fucking teams)

[karmic temple]

Leftovers and maybe grass or steel

[chrome knot]

run specifically fairy tera blast

would be funny af

[vapid hedge]

Asking for opinions here, feel free to join in; we know that a lot of iron hands run tera water (for urshifu and more) but im seeing less and less of urshi, do you think there is a better tera type for hands atm?

[strange fjord]

Fire Water Grass is the general tera iron hands goes for

Fire is good for avoiding burns and resisting flutter

grass is good for the sinistcha, rapid urshifu and iron hands dittos

water is generally a good defensive type too

[karmic temple]

https://pokepast.es/af9b55cd1005e989

I finished cooking 🤭🤭 god I want tail glow baton pass to work so badly but I’m 87% sure it won’t lmao

[nocturne holly]

whats something good to run with weezing under tr

i need something immune to n gas

[karmic temple]

Iron hands

[molten oasis]

What’s up y’all

[neon sparrow]

Alright thanks.

[gentle crag]

fearthestoryteller has given 1 Gen Rep to chriscastiel

[neon sparrow]

You see I would but that could be really bad since my clodsire isn't that fast, and I'm not sure if tera blast is a priority move.

[chrome knot]

not

[neon sparrow]

I mean the only thing preventing me from dying to him is the fact that I'm immune to grass & even then a Clodsire can only take so many power gems.

[lofty tartan]

Clodsire is bulky - he's not gonna be fast. Tera Blast is fine on a bulky slow thing

Like... the speed of a mon doesn't specifically determine move selection, yeah?

[neon sparrow]

Plus wait, wtf would Fairy tera typing even do? Clodsire doesn't have any fairy moves and his MIraidon isn't competitively built I don't think, it's just your standard Miraidon that you get when you revisit area zero.

[lofty tartan]

Tera Fairy with Tera Blast would give him a Fairy move

And it gets rid of his major weaknesses

[karmic temple]

Tera blast changes into whatever your Tera type is

[neon sparrow]

I know, thing is sadly his Miraidon is like 20 levels higher than mine & we play on no restrictions since that's what he likes.

[neon sparrow]

OH FUCK RIGHT, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT.

[lofty tartan]

Sounds like your buddy likes having an advantage over you, which doesn't sound like a fair game

[karmic temple]

Well there’s problem number 1 lol. You’ll have an easier time if you lock levels to 50

[neon sparrow]

I have a headache so excuse my stupidity, doesn't help that I also had a paper airplane hit one of my temples.

[lofty tartan]

Yeah you need to put levels to 50 and tell your friend to suck it up

[neon sparrow]

It already takes alot to get him to even do battles with me in the first place, & if I did that I'm afraid he might just not do them with me, & he's also the only friend I have who even plays pokemon.

[lofty tartan]

He likes no restrictions with a high level Miraidon because he's using both a Box Legend and higher levels to put you at a disadvantage

You're a punching bag for him. It's not a battle, he just wants to win

[dull ibex]

Exactly

[karmic temple]

Yeah from what you say I’d agree with Mika

[lofty tartan]

As far as other people, look around you man

This is a whole channel on a huge serveer dedicated to battling

[dull ibex]

Alot of us do comp battles 🙂

[karmic temple]

It takes zero effort to change the battle settings to lvl 50 mons

[neon sparrow]

Well, not exactly a disadvantage, Clodsire is seriously just my weakest pokemon since he's a recent edition, my highest level pokemon is about the same level as his Miraidon but still gets fucking destroyed.

[neon sparrow]

True.

[lofty tartan]

Sounds disadvantageous. Miraidon is no slouch on move pool, stats, and ability

[neon sparrow]

I forgot that, I'm a fucking idiot.

[dull ibex]

You're not stupid. Your friend is an ass.

[lofty tartan]

Like Tera Fairy Dazzling Gleam Choice Specs Miraidon is pretty insanely strong

[karmic temple]

You should farm Tera raids and use candy’s to 100 all your pokemon then battle him if his team isn’t maxed

[lofty tartan]

Yeah!

[karmic temple]

Show him how it feels

[lofty tartan]

EV train. bottle caps, max ema ll

God my typing sucks

[dull ibex]

People like that get destroyed when you level the playing field

[lofty tartan]

Shattered knuckle, splint on hand 😄

[neon sparrow]

True, luckily he doesn't know how to build a competitively strong team, he just uses mons he sees have a high level really, so I mean.

[neon sparrow]

Already bottle capped all my mons.

[lofty tartan]

Oh then we can help you

[dull ibex]

🫡

[neon sparrow]

He barely knows the type chart too.

[lofty tartan]

Ahhhhhhh

It's all coming together

[neon sparrow]

I'm surprised he even made it this far.

[karmic temple]

Okay that makes more sense

[dull ibex]

Lemme battle your Friend

[neon sparrow]

I mean my Raichu which was one hit away from death almost destroyed his Miraidon even though he was slower, less bulky, etc.

[lofty tartan]

Get a Flutter Mane

Add that to your team

Push it right into Miraidon

[dull ibex]

Get a shiny and flex

[neon sparrow]

For that I need to complete Scarlet 😭

[lofty tartan]

I have an extra shiny Flutter

[dull ibex]

👀

[neon sparrow]

You'd actually be willing to give that to me?

[lofty tartan]

Yes

Keep in mind my terms are that you have to trade me your worst thing in return

[dull ibex]

Shiny paradox are easy to farm Honestly

[neon sparrow]

I'm genuinely surprised, not many people I know would give away something like that.

[lofty tartan]

I've been farming shiny Flutters for Rare Mark

[neon sparrow]

I'll try to see what my absolute worst thing is.

[lofty tartan]

Still no mark but I've gotten quite a few 0 Atk shiny Flutters

[karmic temple]

Tell that to my iron valiant

Except you CANT bc it’s been a troll the last 2 weeks

[neon sparrow]

It's probably a level 1 Japanese sobble.

[lofty tartan]

That's fine

[neon sparrow]

FUCK, my switch is almost dead cause it didn't go on the charger correctly last night 😭

It's on 7%

😦

Eh Frick it we ball.

And chat just now died, rip.

[lofty tartan]

Dm me

[neon sparrow]

K.

[dull ibex]

Sandwich

[karmic temple]

I’m out of herbas from hunting it 😭

[lofty tartan]

Do not bottle cap that Flutter's Attack stat. It's 0 so leave it that way

[neon sparrow]

Okay.

Is a zero attack stat rare?

[lofty tartan]

Yes and optimal for special attackers

[neon sparrow]

Alright, I'm assuming that it's move set isn't already set up for competitive play though.

[lofty tartan]

No it isn't

It's an untouched catch

[neon sparrow]

Makes sense.

Uh, do you know what the best competitive move set for it is?

[lofty tartan]

You can use Moonblast, Dazzling Gleam, Shadow Ball, Protect, and like Booster Energy is fine

[neon sparrow]

Alright.

[lofty tartan]

Max level and trained should be able to crush Miraidon

[neon sparrow]

Alright thank you!

[nocturne holly]

Mika why’s your name “not James Baek”

I would not confuse you with James Baek

[lofty tartan]

Look at my profile pic

It was James Baek's face when he accidentally OHKO'd a Commander-boosted Dozo with Dragon Energy

[nocturne holly]

👀

[smoky hawk]

Was it specs?

[lofty tartan]

No

Specs is too risky with Drago

[molten oasis]

Real. Y’all would be terrified if I had specs

(Ik what you meant)

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/glasses-jimmy-fallon-playful-eye-glasses-specs-gif-8128959

[next stump]

I have seen 5 Bruxish and 3 Heatproof/Room Service Sinistcha on the top 100 ladder just today

what happened in Japan to spark this lol

[smoky hawk]

Then was it tera dragon and had chi-yu next to it?

I'm trying to make the math work

[lofty tartan]

No. It was a crit.

[smoky hawk]

K, then the dozo had no bulk

[lofty tartan]

Crit plus single target on a spread move/

[smoky hawk]

Single target? But doesn't it count tatsu?

[lofty tartan]

Not as far as I know. He was also talking about it being a single target Dragon Energy when they double switched into Dozo

And it wasn't like his opponent was running bad sets and whatever. It was high rank MB play

[dapper crag]

Limiting availability doesn't strike me as innovation

[gentle delta]

How is choosing to not use a team thats not my style limiting availability.

I see teams like that, Brian Collins Gallade team, etc and I use them as consideration in my own building.

If when I build and calc and play around, I end up with a 1:1 of the same team, so be it. But I never start with a copy of someone elses team, I work from the ground up

[onyx charm]

wake up chat, new local mini tourney dropped

[next stump]

holy shit who is the savage using genger hahah

[latent cairn]

Yo

[marble coral]

why does it feel like a vibe tho

[dapper crag]

that is limiting availability, you should use the good Mons instead of seeking pure innovation, that would help ya

You want to compete in tournaments, give yourself some room to perform instead of just looking for innovation. You'd be more incline to innovate on CTS

[latent cairn]

Okay so

For hearthflame ogerpon is grassy glide a good stab?

Maybe I can get rillaboom with grassy surge as a partner for double battles

[next stump]

if you dont have rillaboom, it's not worthwhile

[latent cairn]

Alright so having rillaboom helps

Gotchu

Idk if I should make this a singles team or a doubles team

[bold geode]

Good shit Aimee

[nocturne holly]

@lofty tartan I know youve used weezing a ton, could i have your spread

[lofty tartan]

For Weezing itself?

[nocturne holly]

yup

[lofty tartan]

Weezing @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Neutralizing Gas
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 4 SpA / 148 SpD / 28 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Sludge Bomb
• Will-O-Wisp
• Taunt
• Protect

[nocturne holly]

thx, whats it evd for?

[lofty tartan]

It was built off Alex Underhill's spread. 84 speed in Tailwind will outspeed Chi-Yu and most Iron Hands. The rest is bulk

You need Weezing to stay alive as long as possible

[nocturne holly]

im running it on tr
we'll see how it goes

[lofty tartan]

Ah. Yeah this spread is not built for TR

[molten oasis]

Lol

Just drop the speed for bulk

👍

[lofty tartan]

That's fine. Put it in spd

[molten oasis]

Could also do a speed lowering nature if you wanted to

[nocturne holly]

now i need a armarouge spread
do i go max max

wide guard or protect?

on arma

[molten oasis]

Wide guard isn’t a common, depends on how much you don’t like spread moves

I’m pretty sure arma goes max max quiet

[nocturne holly]

wide guard is picking up in usage
infact on pikalytics its more used than protect

ima go protect tho

https://pokepast.es/91a62d80546c4ed2 alr this is what i got, what could work as a 6th

[neon sparrow]

Guys if you had to chose between getting Urshifu and Zacian which would you choose?

[molten oasis]

Both? Why would you choose you can easily get both in swsh

[neon sparrow]

I'm deciding which to get first.

[molten oasis]

Oh

Shifu is easier to get I think

[neon sparrow]

Perhaps, if I had the XP candies to get Cubchu to level 80 so I even stand a chance at the tower, speaking of which version of Urshifu is better Single or Double strike?

[molten oasis]

Just for a playthrough?

[neon sparrow]

To play unranked matches.

[molten oasis]

Water is better in s/v

[neon sparrow]

Alright.

[molten oasis]

So water

[charred saddle]

you can evolve it in SV too, just get the scroll of water in auction

[neon sparrow]

Yeah I'm going against my friend and he is a son of a bitch, but I don't think water would benefit me since he doesn't use any types that are weak to water.

[molten oasis]

Shifu blows up pretty much everything with surging strikes

What is ur friends team?

[neon sparrow]

He switches it quite often but his strongest and ones that I actually have to watch out for are Florges, Miraidon, Garchomp, Iron Hands, & Galarian Zapdos.

[molten oasis]

Shifu water is better there

[neon sparrow]

Those are his strongest, the rest of my team just wipes his other pokemon but those are the ones I have to watch out for since I don't use any legendaries or pseudo-legendaries.

[molten oasis]

Shifu dark is good but water is doing more damage into this team overall

[neon sparrow]

Alright, I'll have to decide which pokemon in my team to remove for him.

Is he decently bulky or no?

[molten oasis]

Physically yes

Specially no

[neon sparrow]

Fuck.

He basically only uses special moves on his Miraidon.

Alright where is this auction place btw, I haven't seen it anywhere... since I'm kinda stoopid.

[molten oasis]

It’s in Porto Marinada

[karmic temple]

It’s the place where you had to chase after the water gym leader

[neon sparrow]

Isn't it like North of casscarfa?

[karmic temple]

It’s to the west

[molten oasis]

West of

[neon sparrow]

K.

I'm at the place where the auction SHOULD be but it's not here.

[next stump]

is it gated by story progress

[neon sparrow]

I've completed the story.

It's just not here, I checked the vendors and the little battle arena but nothing.

[next stump]

can you send a photo of where you are

[neon sparrow]

The people in here are literally talking about the auction.

[charred saddle]

its there..

move forward..

[neon sparrow]

Towards the vendors?

I've checked em they only speak about sandwiches and produce.

Omfg, I'm stupid, the auctioneer is just selling 73 pomeg berries.

He resets after the stuff is gone right?

[charred saddle]

you can just auction reset it, a bit different then raid skip

[neon sparrow]

What the hell is a raid skip? I've never heard these terms in my life.

I'm not exactly familiar with this stuff... sorry.

[next stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAisYlAEHYQ

[karmic temple]

You don’t even need to change the dates for the auction house

[dapper crag]

I do same thing for both and it works lol

Not too bad I ended up at rank 1718 for my first short season in VGC

Getting back on competitive Pokemon has been a blast I'm enjoying this so much

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/c045803174bae314 this is what I’ve cooked up

[nocturne holly]

What was your w/l ratio?

[karmic temple]

Own tempo indeedee is different and twisted spoon armarouge

[nocturne holly]

love when wrong ability

[karmic temple]

Put the 4 spatk on weezing into hp/def/spdef

[dapper crag]

ended up with 51 wins/17 losses

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/7c6110399a0239c2 this is the real team

[dapper crag]

but 10 of these wins were a huge winstreak from like Great Ball to Master Ball (where I started season)

[nocturne holly]

Damn I’ve made a ton of little mistakes on this team

[dapper crag]

In Master Ball I am 41 wins/16 losses total

[karmic temple]

Psycho cut instead of psychic on gallade pls im begging

[nocturne holly]

OMFG

IM FUCKING THROWING
I fucking love you rn

this is a fucking mockery

[dapper crag]

me ?

[karmic temple]

And move the 4spatk on weezing into bulk

The rule for stats is 3 or 5 you waste evs otherwise

[nocturne holly]

Yea ik

[dapper crag]

not a rule, just a lvl 50 thing

[nocturne holly]

switched some evs up on that spread, that’s why

[karmic temple]

Ya you got rid of the speed since tr team

[dapper crag]

You can get away with even amount of stats with EV at lvl 100

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/511ea3ba97a9eab0 Alr this is what I have
Weezing doesn’t really help anything
Nothings taking advantage of it
It’s hurting me if anything

[dapper crag]

Weezing can backfire on positioning from what I've seen so far

But can also be big brain if played right

Dicey ability with high highs and low lows

[nocturne holly]

Yea I’m aware
That’s why I said nothing benefits form it

[karmic temple]

Yeah weezing kinda hinders your team except hands and gallade

[nocturne holly]

It’s really only there to turn off grassy terrain

I could add slaking somewhere

[dapper crag]

Your personal call imo, I would use to fuck opponent momentum instead of just seeing my side of the board

You're turning off two abilities on their side

[nocturne holly]

I’ll test and see what feels clunky

[karmic temple]

Are you just wanting weezing in your team cause you like it?

[next stump]

oops

[molten oasis]

Lol

[next stump]

damn Lando-I got rank 1

[charred saddle]

[next stump]

LOL

[molten oasis]

Lando I moment

Oh I’ve seen that team

I rolled it with kingbundle

[charred saddle]

thats the team that got featured by cybertron i think

poison tera lando i deals so much

[molten oasis]

Well

[dapper crag]

nice lando is so strong in both forms

[nocturne holly]

it supports armadeedee well with turning off grassy terrain and flash fire

it’s not really helping anything

I think ima switch the team a bit to make weezing more useful

Add slaking

[molten oasis]

I clicked send on accident

Gotta wait until tomorrow to post rental

[willow vault]

Solid

[molten oasis]

4 months

[dull ibex]

Reg F is official

I imagine it will be on showdown soon enough

[next stump]

they want to keep the same format for EUIC in mid april

[molten oasis]

Ahhh ok

That makes plenty of sense

That’s still, so much god damn reg f

[keen karma]

soon as in when

[molten oasis]

Within a week or two

[keen karma]

bruh

do evs really matter on cress

[molten oasis]

Yes

[keen karma]

because im not tryna grind a 0 atk

[molten oasis]

Speed does

[willow vault]

That’s iv’s

[charred saddle]

u mean iv? atk no

[keen karma]

oops yeah iv mb

[charred saddle]

speed, depends on your team needs

[keen karma]

ill grind a cress later

[charred saddle]

if you are playing trick room, you might want to take the speed tier to account

[next stump]

just accept whatever you get IMO

SPE is the more important one if you want a lower SPE stat

[molten oasis]

Real

[charred saddle]

yeah, i was thinking along as

cress usually paired with ursaluna, then ursaluna speed +1 for guaranteed hit first before lunar blessing

thats what i think

[keen karma]

i dont plan on really running cress on hard tr teams

[smoky hawk]

I just made a huge IQ play and still lost because bleakwind storm missed both their pokemon

[keen karma]

so that shouldnt be hard

[smoky hawk]

In a local too

[molten oasis]

Biggest IQ play fr

[smoky hawk]

My flutter dodged the sucker punch by using imprison and tornadus woke up and used bleakwind storm

Missed both their pokemon. Both were at low hp

[molten oasis]

Bruh that sucks

[willow vault]

Unlucky

[smoky hawk]

Yeah...

[dapper crag]

really not impactful

[molten oasis]

Literally 0 attack doesn’t matter rn

[dapper crag]

it's just something really anxious persons tend to worry about imo

rock slide flinches so often, it's ridiculous move in Doubles lmao

40% to flinch one target every turn if you move 1st is ridiculous on top of the good damage

[dull ibex]

?????

I don't work for showdown

[dapper crag]

It's gonna be up a few days post DLC release

They wouldn't make it without knowing what's officially in the game

[dull ibex]

That is not what happened with dlc 1 I'm p sure

We will know what's in dlc 2 before it's out

or maybe not idk

hype for reg f though

[ember linden]

Not true

20% + 20% do not stack, it’s 20% rolled twice

[keen karma]

isnt araquanid releasing

[ember linden]

Yup

[molten oasis]

Yea

[keen karma]

oh shit

first good bug type

[molten oasis]

Funny water move s

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/volcarona-my-beloved-gif-21352875

[ember linden]

Hydrappl will be a bug type

[ember linden]

Js have that on standby

Also we got the ruleset announced on serebii

[molten oasis]

Yep

[ember linden]

It doesn’t say Walking Wake and the new mons besides restricteds are banned👀

[molten oasis]

Yes it does

[keen karma]

but will it be good

most likely not is it the first bug drag tho?

[ember linden]

It doesn’t say they’re banned

[molten oasis]

For now, that could change since we don’t have the other mons yet

[ember linden]

I just said it doesn’t say they’re banned

[molten oasis]

Oh what the ruck

Fuck*

They changed it

It was banned for a minute

[ember linden]

Hm

Reg-E is so stale

[keen karma]

I fucking agree

finally someone says it

[ember linden]

We gotta wait till January fourth tho😭😭

[molten oasis]

cough skill issue cough cough

Joke

It’s boring for sure

[keen karma]

I completely forgot abt entei

do i shiny hunt this

[ember linden]

This core tho https://pokepast.es/3ba70fd89b15f76c

[dapper crag]

That's not how you do the calc

[ember linden]

They better not be locked

[dapper crag]

It's 30% per landed rock slide target but you gotta factor accuracy. So odds of flinching 1 target if you move before them is 43%-ish

[keen karma]

Dynamax adventures

[ember linden]

30% rolled twice it isn’t 20% mb

[dapper crag]

% do stack when you are determining the odd of an event where the landing outcome is not a factor

[dapper crag]

still stack

[ember linden]

Nah

[dapper crag]

% stack, this is not a debate

you must be thinking of % as their shown numbers, you gotta carry them through the diviser

[ember linden]

If it hits both mons, a 30% chance to flinch rolls on them both

[dapper crag]

that's not the full calc

[molten oasis]

Rock slide has a 30% chance to flinch each Mon, it does not stack to 60%

[ember linden]

Right

[molten oasis]

That does not make any sense

The percent is for each Mon

[ember linden]

Who told you there’s more to it than that Ray

[molten oasis]

NOT both at the same time

[dapper crag]

you must have missed what I was going for

[ember linden]

🤦‍♂️

[lofty tartan]

He's saying a 43% chance to get ONE flinch off TWO targets

[dapper crag]

odds of flinching 1 target if you move before both

[lofty tartan]

Math is hard

[molten oasis]

Oh that makes much more sense

[dapper crag]

but you guys just wanna go your silly way

and be argumentative

[molten oasis]

Prob was worded wrong

Or something

[dapper crag]

mika gets it xD

[lofty tartan]

Ray you're not helping yourself be perceived as in the right when you swing in with the talking down

Ease off the pedal a bit

[ember linden]

I get it now, glad you don’t think that way

[dapper crag]

someone says something and proceeds to get argued over a different expected result

great stuff

[ember linden]

I argued bc I thought you said something else that is not true Ray.

[lofty tartan]

So arguments are for educational purposes. They are points and counterpoints. Bringing it to the edgy point where arguments are negative is probably unnecessary

Arguments happen, they're not always negative - people take them there. Being disagreed with is fine, just articulate your thoughts to foster understanding and growth

[dapper crag]

Disagreeing on maths is a bit weird

[lofty tartan]

🙄

[molten oasis]

We didn’t know you were saying both at the same time

[ember linden]

Ray I misunderstood you holy shit

[molten oasis]

We thought you meant something else

[ember linden]

Yeah

[lofty tartan]

And now cue the beating of the dead horse

[ember linden]

What team y’all running Reg-F tho

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[molten oasis]

If wake is legal wake

[ember linden]

Same

[molten oasis]

If not primarina or serperior

[dapper crag]

I want Incineroar and Walking Wake

[ember linden]

I’m not gonna make myself suffer with serperior😭

[dapper crag]

Incineroar is infamous in VGC

[molten oasis]

Serperior is bulky with contrary and it spams leaf storm which sounds fun

It be good into shifu

Incin will be everywhere

Ape will be returning tho

Ape has a positive MU into incin

[ember linden]

Ape 100% gonna get usage

[dapper crag]

Isn't Rillaboom weak to Fire ?

[ember linden]

I might run it

[molten oasis]

I’m running fairy Tera incin 100% for that reason

[ember linden]

It is

[molten oasis]

Ape is annihilape

[dapper crag]

ha that one

[molten oasis]

It has fighting coverage and defiant

Which incin doesn’t like

[ember linden]

Rilla is Rillaboom, Ape is Annihilape always

[dapper crag]

I call Rillaboom grass guy still lol

Annihilape doesn't look too too great with powerscale going up in Reg F

[molten oasis]

Well let’s take kingambit into example

[ember linden]

Why?

[molten oasis]

Kingambit died in reg d because of power creep

Then it came back

In reg e

[dapper crag]

Hisiuan-Arcanine is used a shitton

weak to Fighting, Intimidate user, Extreme Speed

[molten oasis]

Yea that’s an even better reason for ape to come back

[ember linden]

Annihilape died in reg-e, same thing is highly possible for F

[dapper crag]

Annihilape isn't anywhere though

[molten oasis]

Ape is also immune to fake out

[dapper crag]

Fake Out is used in Reg E

[molten oasis]

That’s one of the biggest factors

[dapper crag]

I don't see Annihilape tbh

[ember linden]

It’ll come back for an incin counter at least

That’s what were talking about Ray

[dapper crag]

I know and I'm trying to understand what makes you think that

I just don't see it sorry

[molten oasis]

K

Annihilape is a fighting ghost type with defiant

[dapper crag]

and isn't used into H-Arc

[ember linden]

Immune to fake-out, stab fighting attack into incin, incin does not want to parting shot ape

[molten oasis]

Harc is also faster

[ember linden]

H-Arc has urshifu as it’s main counter, why would ape be used against it

[molten oasis]

That’s a big reason it isn’t used into harc

And that

[dawn crown]

does intimidate affect surgin strikes?

[dapper crag]

so these Mons are probably not going to stop being used still

[ember linden]

Nope

[dapper crag]

nah crit goes through stat changes

[molten oasis]

Nope because intim doesn’t work through crits

[molten oasis]

Harc will probably drop in usage

But still be relevant

Because of incin

[ember linden]

I can see arc still being used fairly enough but I really see an ape spike

[dapper crag]

I don't see ape spiking if wasn't doing it in Reg E

All the conditions you describe about Incin are already there

[molten oasis]

It’s because of incin

[ember linden]

That’s like saying harc won’t be good in a format w/ urshifu-rapid

[molten oasis]

INCIN IS SLOWER

[dapper crag]

yeah I can Incin stats

I just don't see it, gonna be used and I'm hyped about it

[molten oasis]

Ape beats incin in a 1v1

Because of defiant and being faster

[ember linden]

Tera fairy incin w/ tera blast may get some good usage

[dapper crag]

couldn't you adjust if they had a defiant user, like I wouldn't lead my intimidate Mon no matter who it is in potential defiant lead

[molten oasis]

I kinda doubt it

[dapper crag]

doesn'T have to be ape / incin to represent that board proposition

[ember linden]

Idk tho maybe on an av set

[molten oasis]

That’s the mind game with it. You run ape to prevent incin from leading

[dapper crag]

but I can adjust and never lead it

[molten oasis]

Something else has to lead

[dapper crag]

I can bring 4 Mons and ditch Incin

[molten oasis]

I hate the “I can just adjust” argument it’s so fucking dumb

[dapper crag]

So I have other options

[molten oasis]

Like

[ember linden]

Ape will be like kingambit, it’ll sit out a good chunk of matches, but will come thru during those particular matchups where it is needed

[dapper crag]

Well you have 4 out of 6 Mons, that's a key skill to bring the right ones for every battle

[molten oasis]

Yes

[dapper crag]

so that argument isn't dumb

when it's a great thing about VGC

[molten oasis]

It’s still an annoying argument to deal with cuz I’m explaining HOW incin would work into ape and you just go “adjust”

[dapper crag]

you don't play your team the same way depending what you expect to be facing

it being annoying doesn't make it any less valid sorry

I proposed very solid points about current regulation and board proposition

I don't see it

[ember linden]

Idk about that

[molten oasis]

Oh my, WERE TALKING ABOUT NEXT REG

did you miss that? I’m not talking about the current reg

[dapper crag]

so intimidate into defiant is a reg F only thing now ok

[ember linden]

He’s talking about in comparison

[dawn crown]

i think drago means that the incineroar person will have to play the way you want to and the battle will most go in your pace

[dapper crag]

Ima just ladder at this point and wish you a nice evening

[molten oasis]

Ok gn

[dapper crag]

Yeah but you can't when someone narrows it down to win the argument

[molten oasis]

Uh huh go play ladder thanks

[ember linden]

Ray thinks because ape isn’t good now, it won’t be good in the next reg to counter a mon that will 100% be meta due to how broken it is

[dapper crag]

partly, also becuse you can adjust. if they show ape in team select, you can lead differently is my point.

[ember linden]

People narrow things down to win an argument bc that’s how a lot of arguements are won

[molten oasis]

K I will emphasize that incin is not broken

It’s very high utility

Urshifu is a broken Mon

[ember linden]

Replace that with good I was just typing out my ass

[molten oasis]

lol all good

[ember linden]

It’s a fine tactic to use

[dapper crag]

I'm an adept of game theory, you won't get me with speculations vs observations only

[molten oasis]

Uh huh

[ember linden]

Adjust is a bad argument I’m sorry

[molten oasis]

Yep

Adjust doesn’t really change how the mindset of a game is played out or the matchup argument

[dapper crag]

pick 4 out of 6 is the format

the mindset is about adjusting your selection to what you're facing

[molten oasis]

Incin is bad into ape therefore ape will pick up in usage

[ember linden]

We’re talking about it rising in usage to counter a really high utility mon, and ape has good things that counter everything that particular mon does

[dapper crag]

but countering these good things didn't make it rise in usage in previous format

[molten oasis]

Ape didn’t counter them

[ember linden]

There was no good things to counter Ray

[molten oasis]

I don’t think ape hard counters harc

[dapper crag]

intimidate/fake out

[molten oasis]

It definetly doesn’t counter lando

[dapper crag]

are pretty cmmon

[ember linden]

Another bad point

[molten oasis]

Yes so ghost type with defiant is strong

However incin does both

So incin doesn’t want to fight ape

[dapper crag]

So just don't bring it end of the discussion

[lofty tartan]

No one is saying Annihilape will prevent Incineroar from being used

[dapper crag]

that argument is silly so black/white

[lofty tartan]

Just that it'll be good

[dapper crag]

always like this here, rarely nuances

[molten oasis]

You and black and white arguments

[dapper crag]

you always put them like that and get offended when things don't go your way

[ember linden]

Yeah, that’s what we’re mainly saying, we are well aware they can just not bring incin, it’s just a helpful thing in the annoying incin matchup

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

I know what I’m talking about that’s half the reason I get annoyed

[dapper crag]

you don't know everything mate

[molten oasis]

There are times for sure I’m wrong

[dapper crag]

far from it

[molten oasis]

No one does bad argument

[ember linden]

No shit Jay

[molten oasis]

I’m still learning

[lofty tartan]

Neither do you, Jay. But each time I come in there's like a 90% chance you're gonna be involved in some big ordeal.

[molten oasis]

You’re all learning

But I feel like I’m in the spot where I understand what I’m talking about and can give out good advice

[lofty tartan]

Can't y'all just be nicer to each other? Disagreeing is fine and you don't have to be right to validate yourself.

[ember linden]

I’m going to argue when I see something that I don’t agree with when it comes to vgc, I don’t hate anybody for their perspective I’m js trying to inform. 9/10 times, if I’m wrong I’ll correct myself and go about my day. If not I’ll argue till I win the argument, or lose it.

Dray’s just going to get annoyed he means nothing in a mean way lol

[molten oasis]

I’m trying to help with the knowledge I’ve gathered from the time I’ve been playing and have been taught by better players.

[ember linden]

Real

[molten oasis]

We can all be better

[dapper crag]

funny thing is you've got no knowledge gathered about reg F incin into ape nor anyone could have ever taught you about this

[mighty stump]

The logic holds though lol

It doesn’t take a genius to understand in a vacuum Incin doesn’t like Ape

[keen karma]

Ape is gnna have a field day in reg f

[mighty stump]

But

You can’t say Ape usage will naturally increase because other aspects of the metagame will alter its usage as well

It depends

It might or might not

[keen karma]

Change it to hopefully then

Or possibly

[mighty stump]

Its not a bad option

Ape right now would work fine as a defiant mon as well

Its just not immediately apparent the best way to run it

[keen karma]

I think its already good rn

[mighty stump]

I think it can have good use

[ember linden]

I loved it in reg-d

[lofty tartan]

I just want to click Prankster Worry Seed

That's all I wanna do

[ember linden]

I despise whimsicott😭

[mighty stump]

Wtf does this have to do with Pokemon metagame knowledge

[lofty tartan]

Your loss

Everything, Tofu

[mighty stump]

And actually; I can, a lot of people can

[dapper crag]

Move: Worry Seed

Causes the target's Ability to become Insomnia. Fails if the target's Ability is As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Commander, Disguise, Gulp Missile, Hadron Engine, Ice Face, Insomnia, Multitype, Orichalcum Pulse, Power Construct, Protosynthesis, Quark Drive, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Stance Change, Truant, Zen Mode, or Zero to Hero.

Type

Grass

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[neon sparrow]

What's happening?

[lofty tartan]

Zanzibar

[molten oasis]

Things

[ember linden]

Something, Idk tho

[neon sparrow]

Is Zanzibar a pokemon I've never heard of before?

[lofty tartan]

No

[ember linden]

No, gibberish

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[lofty tartan]

No. It's a real world place dude

[neon sparrow]

Bro it sounds like it'd be a pokemon.

[molten oasis]

Oh it is? Interesting

[ember linden]

I stand corrected

[lofty tartan]

Zanzibar exists

[neon sparrow]

Is it a country?

[ember linden]

Th is that at

[lofty tartan]

It's an archipelago

[neon sparrow]

You mean archipelago?

[ember linden]

Alright, ig you just know that😭😭

[keen karma]

Im grinding dynamax adventures rn

Cinccino is meta

[lofty tartan]

My right hand is in a splint so my typing is prone to errors

[lofty tartan]

😄

[ember linden]

Oof

[molten oasis]

Why didn’t it crop smh

[neon sparrow]

Understandable, you type very well for someone with their entire hand in a splint.

[mighty stump]

Is this important

[molten oasis]

No, sorry

[lofty tartan]

Index and ring finger are exposed. But I do fine

[lofty tartan]

I said Zanzibar and people didn't believe it's a real world place

[ember linden]

[mighty stump]

Okay James Baek

[neon sparrow]

Bro I didn't know it even existed.

[dapper crag]

that's how I've been approaching the game, keeping track of what works and doesn't work so far

[neon sparrow]

What does it have to do with this channel though?

[ember linden]

Everything🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[neon sparrow]

Zanzibar has everything to do with this channel.

[lofty tartan]

There can be discussion in this channel that isn't VGC related. Conversation is fluid and humans don't stay on subject for super long

[molten oasis]

I mean this channel has had a past of becoming a general chat

[neon sparrow]

Understandable have a nice day.

It was just so random that I was really confused.

[ember linden]

Yeah Tofu

[molten oasis]

But it’s a comp chat

[neon sparrow]

Yeah, that tracks.

[mighty stump]

Yeah but what does that have to do with meta game knowledge and inference

[molten oasis]

That’s what it should be used for

[ember linden]

Should be used for

[mighty stump]

Specifically pertaining to Incin v Ape

[neon sparrow]

Oh by the way, you know that friend I was talking about? I beat his ass this time round.

[mighty stump]

Cause if its Speculation v Observation is there even a point engaging in a discussion about it

[ember linden]

No idea what you’re talking about but WWWW

[neon sparrow]

I did forget that Clodsire is weak to Garchomp though.

[molten oasis]

Huh?

[keen karma]

OMG SHINY WHIMSICOTT

[molten oasis]

POG

[ember linden]

[keen karma]

This paid off

[dapper crag]

it was answering the ''adjusting isn't a good argument'' when game theory favors adjusting as a good way to overcome ''counters''

[fallen rivet]

Show

[molten oasis]

lemme see

[neon sparrow]

I replaced one of my other pokemans for the fluttermane.

[ember linden]

Lord🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[mighty stump]

But simple “adjustment” doesn’t just mean from what I skimmed through “not bringing said tool to said matchup ever” and it doesn’t guarantee a better matchup either

[ember linden]

I wanna see whimsicott

[dapper crag]

yeah that doesn't exclude that

at least to me

[molten oasis]

Adjusting my team if I have hands and they have lando doesn’t mean it’s not still at bad matchup

[neon sparrow]

I still need to level up my stuff & find out what works though, I'm trying to make a mix between a status and attacking Clodsire, I made it have Poison Jab, Earth Quake, Yawn, & Toxic, it's of course water absorb, holding left overs with a grass tera.

[mighty stump]

So why would vague adjustment be a consideration when its correct Ape has tools into Incin that Incin does not like, with a likelihood other variables that Incin will might still be brought if one opponent can still believe they can play around jt

[neon sparrow]

Since I don't have enough tera shards for fairy 😦

[mighty stump]

Or if the Ape user feels they can take full advantage of Defiant even if they opposing brought accounted counterplay

[ember linden]

Idk how game theory related to Pokémon, I feel an argument should have consisted of talking about this pokemon does this into ape or something so why would it get usage

[neon sparrow]

I can't tell if this means field or felt?

Edited right as I send that...

[ember linden]

Lol

[neon sparrow]

Game theory made a theory on Ash's real age so it relates to pkmn.

[dapper crag]

the strategic way to play off your mon being countered by stuff on the other team would to bring your other Mons

[keen karma]

Shiny liepard would be so good

[molten oasis]

Or bring your Mon that’s good into them to remove them

[ember linden]

[ember linden]

Bro😭

[molten oasis]

So your other Mon that’s weak into said Mon can be good

[neon sparrow]

Ah yes the team building is made out of team building.

[ember linden]

I thought you got another shiny lol

[keen karma]

I did not get it intrusive thoughts

[mighty stump]

Yeah, but actually positioning the board that way and making the correct calls/safe plays/necessary reads are altogether different due to an individuals differing mindsets

[keen karma]

Mb

[molten oasis]

Oof

[dapper crag]

yeah all that stuff is true

[neon sparrow]

This.

[ember linden]

4-6 mons is not a good argument

[neon sparrow]

It's impossible to read my friend since he makes no fucking sense in the way he switches in & out.

[dapper crag]

game theory isn't a specific approach, it takes the game as a broad thing with a lot of variables basically

just tryna make the best of what you can

[ember linden]

Mmm

[molten oasis]

Lol

[mighty stump]

It looks like nonsense if you don’t understand why they’re doing it

[ember linden]

When that one friend is so bad he’s unpredictable

[keen karma]

Is cinccino coming back?

[neon sparrow]

LIKE WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK, WHY WOULD YOU SWITCH INTO A DRAGON TYPE FROM YOUR WATER TYPE WHEN I'M USING AN ICE TYPE?

[molten oasis]

He’s not bad he’s just better

[neon sparrow]

No, because it just genuinely does not make fucking sense.

[molten oasis]

If he’s unpredictable

[ember linden]

[mighty stump]

Maybe they’re trying to make a proactive read

[dapper crag]

isn't it the whole deal about good players, when I watch Bo3 of tournaments they always try to make adjustments towards next game to get better odds of winning next game in my mind

[mighty stump]

Which in itself is dumb

[neon sparrow]

And instead of switching to what would be effective he switches to like a fucking grass type.

[molten oasis]

It can look dumb

Like you could read he’s making a read

[neon sparrow]

He does not play competitively he has no fucking clue what he's doing, he barely knows the type chart.

[molten oasis]

Just very risky

[neon sparrow]

He brung out a tinkaton against my Ceruledge.

[ember linden]

Yeah but we’re talking about matchups, it is still a bad matchup even if incin isn’t brought and ape is. That is why we believe ape will get more usage

[dapper crag]

I wouldn't resume a matchup to a single Mon to Mon interaction myself

[molten oasis]

Not a ton

[neon sparrow]

He isn't reading shit, he don't know how, he a fish.

[molten oasis]

But it’ll have a better niche

[ember linden]

BUT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT A MATCHUP BETWEEN TWO MONS, NOT ALL SIX

[neon sparrow]

If he reading then he dyslexic.

[mighty stump]

Yeah, but the correct adjustments have a criteria, it could be a right brings just wrong order and such

[mighty stump]

Then I wouldnt even be proud of beating a non competitive player lol

[ember linden]

😭

[mighty stump]

Probably shouldn’t be saying that either

[dapper crag]

I don't narrow down VGC to 1 v 1 personnally

[ember linden]

Don’t do bro like that

[ember linden]

Okay dude🤦‍♂️

[neon sparrow]

He brings all legendaries against my no legendary ass, he bringing pseudo legends too, and pokemon that are like 15 levels higher than me, he may not know the type chart or really anything but he traded his way to being able to beat my ass.

[mighty stump]

No, its something that isn’t the full story, but the logic into expected high usage mons and some considerations into it are to be accounted for on a 1-1, since it skews the 2v2 positioning in a way that allows the favoured to ignore a slot

[neon sparrow]

I'm not kidding, my fren group calls him Fishy.

[mighty stump]

Yeah that has nothing to do with competitive

[ember linden]

[neon sparrow]

Ik, but he don't know how to play competitively, he's like a legendary spammer in a way.

I swear the day he gets Zacian I'm fucked.

[mighty stump]

Yeah so why do we care about beating said player if they aren’t even in the field

[neon sparrow]

Or when he learns how to remember the type chart.

[lofty tartan]

His buddy bascally has been using him as a punching bag so he came here for some help.

[molten oasis]

Fair

[dapper crag]

I still don't believe Annihilape is going to do well in reg F

[ember linden]

Welp, we tried folks

[neon sparrow]

Me with my highest level pokemon being a level 93 Ceruledge

Him rolling up on my ass with a Miraidon, Level 99 Florges on crack, & a Level 100 Iron Hands: Sup bitch.

Screaming intensifies

[molten oasis]

I mean that’s an opinion anyone could have

[mighty stump]

I don’t expect its usage to skyrocket, but past a certain level of play denying its validity as an option

Is also just non-holistic as a view

[dapper crag]

yeah we're all speculating, it's good fun

I'm hyped about using Incin

I want to feel the role compression so badly

[lofty tartan]

[dull ibex]

we have some already tbf

hello tofu

[neon sparrow]

Me not knowing half the shit being said here : I like your words magic man.

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-clone-high-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-jack-black-gif-18659433

[dull ibex]

You will learn soon, If you have any questions about terminology I could gladly answer!

[molten oasis]

I am also available

[dull ibex]

no drago is a loser /j

[molten oasis]

[lofty tartan]

I am unavailable

[dull ibex]

L

[ember linden]

I am available Mask is a loser /nojk

[neon sparrow]

I am currently trying to think of a move set for any of my pokemon to sweep my friend, no time for questions only time for fucking around and finding out!

[dull ibex]

just run mane

[lofty tartan]

I gave him that one earlier

[neon sparrow]

Also bro I have tic tacs & I need to stop eating them cause they're mints which I'll need, yet they taste so fuckin good.

[molten oasis]

Certified mane moment

Also get a shifu

[neon sparrow]

Already am, I just lack the candies to make it a decent enough level to go against him.

[ember linden]

[dull ibex]

was this the friend who overlevels you or was that someone else 🤔

[lofty tartan]

Yes

[neon sparrow]

I'm trying but it's so damn hard to get my Kubfu to level 80 to do that damn water tower.

[dull ibex]

is this only swsh?

[molten oasis]

Yiu can transfer Kubfu to s/v

[neon sparrow]

Yes, he is the only friend in my main friend group who will play pokemon.

[molten oasis]

Then get a scroll from the auction

[dull ibex]

yeah if you want to battle in sv you dont need the towers

[neon sparrow]

Again comes the issue of me being bad and not having any candies, also my luck is ass so I will probably go up to 2025 before getting a scroll.

Even while using the auction reset.

[molten oasis]

You literally just farm the auction

[dull ibex]

the battle items are all at once iirc

its not a rotation

[ember linden]

I don’t think you have to pay for the items

[molten oasis]

You do

[ember linden]

Fuck

[neon sparrow]

Explain in terms a 5 year old can understand.

[molten oasis]

The battle items dont reset everyday

[dull ibex]

the items for legendaries show up at aunction together at the same time

[molten oasis]

Yiu can just buy all of them at the same time

[neon sparrow]

Oh, yeah I'll still probably get fucked over by bad luck.

[dull ibex]

literally how

[molten oasis]

oh my lord

[dull ibex]

its not lucky

[neon sparrow]

Bro I get berries every single time.

[molten oasis]

It’s not luck based

[dull ibex]

no they are there immediately

[ember linden]

They do not leave

[molten oasis]

One of the stands is exclusively the items

[dull ibex]

you just need the legendaries in box

[neon sparrow]

Heh?

[neon sparrow]

I'm going to unalive myself for being this damn stupid.

[molten oasis]

The 1 stand next to the stand on the right when you walk in has all of them

[neon sparrow]

Alright gimme a second.

[lofty tartan]

You don't need a reset for key items for forms

[dull ibex]

I do not think I could dumb it any further tbh

[lofty tartan]

They are ALWAYS available'

Take a Kubfu, either in box or in team to the Auction and it enables the scrolls

[dull ibex]

just transer kubfu and go

[neon sparrow]

Yeah no I'm the dumbest person to live so yeah.

[lofty tartan]

I've already done it with a level 10 Kubfu

[dull ibex]

you're not its fine