competitive_discussion

[lofty tartan]

And like... Rock and Ground function very differently. So would Flying be weak to Earth or immune?

[ember linden]

Flying hits Earth for neutral

[nocturne holly]

no

[ember linden]

Flying is immune to earth

[nocturne holly]

but then rock

[lofty tartan]

So you remove one of Flying's weaknesses? Makes Rock Slide way wor--- OH I GET IT

You don't like Rock Slide

[ember linden]

Yes you do remove a flying weakness

I’m fine with rock slide

Also every earth type gets the sp,def boost to it in sand

[molten oasis]

Alright

I need a Mon to cook with

What should I cook with

[fallen rivet]

What are you looking for in particular

Like special attack? Physical?

memes?

[lofty tartan]

Shiftry.

[molten oasis]

Nah tofu already did that

[lofty tartan]

Is he even using the team? Lol

[fallen rivet]

I struggled against someone using a choice scarf great tusk so you could try that

[molten oasis]

I play balance archetype Waffle

[fallen rivet]

Ah apologies

[molten oasis]

That fucking auto currency was wild

CORRECT

[fallen rivet]

auto currency

[molten oasis]

REAL

[fallen rivet]

Same

[nocturne holly]

Greta tuskberg

[lofty tartan]

So the list of what you would reasonaby "cook" with is pretty narrow then, Drago.

Just pick a mon and build around it.

[molten oasis]

See here’s the thing idk what

And I’m willing to play other archetypes

[lofty tartan]

Pick something you like. Fun or cool.

[molten oasis]

Fucking meowscarada it is

Will my last rental be with meow? We shall see

Idk tho what do you guys think of meowscaradas potential rn?

From glance its just discount shifu

But faster

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 908: Meowscarada

Types

Grass/Dark

Abilities

Overgrow, Protean (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

76/110/70/81/70/123

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

Meowscarada's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Bite, Brick Break, Bullet Seed, Facade, Fling, Flower Trick, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Knock Off, Lash Out, Leafage, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Night Slash, Petal Blizzard, Play Rough, Quick Attack, Scratch, Seed Bomb, Shadow Claw, Slash, Sucker Punch, Take Down, Thief, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, U-turn

Special Moves

Aura Sphere, Chilling Water, Dark Pulse, Disarming Voice, Energy Ball, Frenzy Plant, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Grass Pledge, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mud-Slap, Pollen Puff, Power Gem, Shadow Ball, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Charm, Copycat, Double Team, Endure, Fake Tears, Grassy Terrain, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Leech Seed, Nasty Plot, Protect, Rest, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Substitute, Tail Whip, Taunt, Toxic Spikes, Trick, Trick Room, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Meowscarada.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna cook I’ll be back

[fallen rivet]

I have great news: ||Harc continues its winning streak|| vgc spoilers from today

[fallow wing]

W

i have a funny idea yall bear with me

follow me bulky ogerpon hearthflame

but i also run sd

what yall think

normally i would use clef but i already have florges and flutter

[next stump]

I think oger-w is just better for that

[nocturne holly]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-let-him-cook-cook-toy-story-woody-gif-27345024

I’m gonna cook weezing balance after I get some good ladder climbs

shiftry is cool but feels too torn ho

Honestly kinda wanna cook with hatterene
Armadeedee hatterene

it’s gonna be miles better once it gets expanding force tho o

My cart climb is going pretty well so far
14 wins 1 loss
Watch me jinx it 😭

[fallen rivet]

Oi I’m so bad at comp lol

[next stump]

we all start somewhere 🙏

[nocturne holly]

Fr

Do I become what I hate most? Armadeedee?

[keen karma]

dillon what do you think abt this team https://pokepast.es/23c37e26f897054f

[golden sentinel]

Question
When the season ends a the end of this month does my PokeBall rank goes completely down to the lowest one again

Or I just lose one or two ranks

[next stump]

you usually just drop a few

[next stump]

i've never used chandelure in my life so i cant speak to it

but the rest of the team looks good

normally that chandelure spot is farigarif to prevent fake out/sucker punch/extreme speed

[molten oasis]

Well I’m glad to say I cooked, something https://pokepast.es/2afc068371f74ab2

Once again mane is a slap on that hasnt ever entered the battlefield

[keen karma]

oh actually that is also valid chandelure is here for breaking aveils and stuff like that

[molten oasis]

I’ll probably post 1 more rental then call it for the reg teambuilding wise

[nocturne holly]

W

I’m gonna try and post another rental

[molten oasis]

It’ll not be the meow team

[nocturne holly]

Idk what to cook

[molten oasis]

That’s legit just a for fun team

[bold geode]

You usually do one or the other
But Wellspring better

[dapper crag]

Wouldn't Landorus like Protect if it can afford it ?

[spring pebble]

ive taken a break from competitive pokemon recently and just coming back into it, what are some good pokemon that pair well with each other? or any good cores?

[molten oasis]

Oh honesty you’re totally right

It had av for a bit

[dapper crag]

Hisiuan-Arcanine Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Tornadus-Incarnate Amoonguss Iron Hands Flutter Mane really great team right now

I'm a big noob and it's winning a shitton in Master Ball tier

[molten oasis]

Yea cuz it’s uh

That’s just a very easy team to pilot and it’s very consistent

[dapper crag]

Not very easy so, I'm making so risky reads

but you don't outplay someone without risking it for the biscuit

[bold geode]

Tornadus Urshifu
Cresselia Ursaluna
Dusclops Blood Moon Ursaluna
Chien Pao Dragonite
Chien Pao Dragapult
Hands is a good mon
Chi Yu Flutter Mane
Alolan Ninetales Bundle
Alolan Ninetales Baxcalibur
Gholdengo Tornadus
Can go on

[spring pebble]

hm ok, ill keep that in mind. I was thinking of mainly pairs of 2 or 3 pokemon to build around, idk if i wanna copy a team instead of making one myself

[molten oasis]

Out of a lot of other teams it’s pretty easy to pilot

Torn shifu harc and mane especially

[dapper crag]

That's certainly an opinion

[cyan smelt]

armarouge indeedee

[bold geode]

Armarouge Indeedee is good too

[cyan smelt]

glimmora dondozo

[bold geode]

Can't believe I forgot Psyspam

Weezing Roaring Moon

[dapper crag]

go for Flutter Mane Iron Hands Amoonguss, they cover my ass vs trick room lol

[spring pebble]

yea ive been liking fluttermane a lot recently

[fallen rivet]

Roaring hands
Roaring mane
Roaring harc

[molten oasis]

???

You are newer

That team is pretty linear

Which is easier for newer players

I’m not gonna throw something like a screens team or a tr at someone where it’s a little harder to get positioning as they are learning or getting back into the game

[dapper crag]

Don't give me the ''???'' reply

You don't wanna do that

[molten oasis]

And why not?

[bold geode]

Can we please just not
What Drago said actually is correct lmao

It's basic balance, which is incredibly useful for learning board positioning

Trick Room wouldn't be bad either as it's sort of a way of HO, but screens actually can be a bit complicated lol

[molten oasis]

Armadeedee is a good start for tr

In the long run it’s complex

But for beginners it’s somewhat simple

[nocturne holly]

armadeedee my enemy

35 min till I can post the damn rental😩

[molten oasis]

Remember to post a picture of the rental

[nocturne holly]

yeah

Watch me forget lmao

[bold geode]

I hope you do

[nocturne holly]

nerdimus prime
cite your fucking sources
Make sure it’s MLA format

[bold geode]

Sources: trust me bro

[molten oasis]

Monke is the source

[nocturne holly]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-fate-source-meme-trust-me-gif-25112135

[molten oasis]

Lol

[nocturne holly]

I love that meme

doctor fate is fucking cool

[dapper crag]

Getting the basics is easier but learning how to pilot into enemy team isn't a natural skill imo. I don't wanna start a war on opinions though.

[ember linden]

Too late lil bro

[bold geode]

Course it's not
Something you learn lol

That's with any team

[ember linden]

I don’t think anyone ever said it wasn’t natural

[nocturne holly]

25 min

[dapper crag]

I was looking at the rentals and there is no filter about who post what right, some of them are very funny to be polite.

[next stump]

as long as you follow the rules of posting (pinned), you can submit a rental

[ember linden]

Yeah

Why would there be

[bold geode]

[ember linden]

Some leaks just said walking wake and iron leaves will be in reg-f

[dapper crag]

Mika said that it would mke sense given they'd be catchable in 2nd part of DLC

[ember linden]

Ik

[dapper crag]

Do you have the link for the leak ?

[ember linden]

It’s an aDrive vid

It’s in the desc but I don’t feel like pulling it since I’m watching on my switch

[molten oasis]

[cyan smelt]

I don't trust adrive

[molten oasis]

well iron leaves is ass

But walking wake is very exciting

[ember linden]

We may be seeing our first bug dragon type

[cyan smelt]

What about raging bolt and iron crown

[molten oasis]

I bet that entire trio will be legal

So we should hopefully see the entei and terakkion forms soon

[ember linden]

Storming Ash too, and Iron Tines too

They’ll all be legal most likely

[cyan smelt]

They'll definitely be fire/dragon and rock/psychic

[molten oasis]

That’s what theyre called

[dapper crag]

judging Mons before you see them in action gives Farigiraf in C tier by pro players

let's wait folks

[keen karma]

why rock psychic

[ember linden]

You’re 100% correct btw

[molten oasis]

Farigiraf isn’t a c tier Mon what?

[cyan smelt]

Because the other two were psychic type

[keen karma]

wait who tf said that lol

[molten oasis]

Jay

[dapper crag]

did you read ? pro players ranked Fari in C tier

before seeing it in action, took 2 months to see it even do well

[keen karma]

the pro players are wrong then

[molten oasis]

And which pro players said that

[dapper crag]

they weren't wrong, Farigiraf was nowhere to be seen in Reg A/B

[cyan smelt]

I wonder if armour tail stops thunderclap

[keen karma]

thats a and b

[molten oasis]

It does

It’s priority

[keen karma]

not e

[molten oasis]

So armor tail works on thunderclap

[dapper crag]

Suddenly Chien-Pao was legal and Fari got spike in usage

[keen karma]

just like roaring moon was bad in d now its good in e

[molten oasis]

In reg e d and even c Fari was at worst b tier

[keen karma]

so what is your point

[crude pollen]

How is stab bonus calculated for moves like facade and acrobatics? Is it just slap 50% boost to the base moves power or the conditional boosted power?

[dapper crag]

Not judging stuff early on xD

Not rocket science

[molten oasis]

Acrobatics doubles in power so it’ll account after the power is doubled

[keen karma]

you should've made that point more clear

[molten oasis]

Facade is the same way

[dapper crag]

The point was clear

You guys just don't understand progression of regulations that's all

[molten oasis]

Early yes Fari wasn’t anything great but now irs pretty good

You did not say anything about it early initially

[cyan smelt]

Anything that stops priority is good

[next stump]

the bonus power

so 110x1.5

[dapper crag]

''judging Mons before you see them in action gives Farigiraf in C tier by pro players''

They judge Farigiraf without seeing it in action

connect the dots

[ember linden]

You shouldn’t trust the leaks if you’re going to not trust something, aDrive makes it clear it isn’t confirmed

[cyan smelt]

Adrive is annoying anyway and he just posts videos for clout

[molten oasis]

Yea nah dude wake should be pretty strong

[dapper crag]

Shoulda Woulda Coulda

[molten oasis]

Good typing great signature move good movepool

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1009: Walking Wake

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

99/83/91/125/83/109

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[ember linden]

No comment don’t feel like arguing about that.

[molten oasis]

Good speed tier and good natural bulk

[cyan smelt]

Wake can fit on rain and sun teams

[ember linden]

Iron Tines is going to be broken btw

[molten oasis]

I am very excited for walking wake I think it has a ton of potential

[ember linden]

The leaks says it has a 168 attack stat

[molten oasis]

That literally has to be false

[ember linden]

I hope it is😭

[molten oasis]

There is no way they would give it that attack stat

[ember linden]

But it’s bulk is mid

[dapper crag]

Not like they came up with unbalanced design in gen 9 so far

[molten oasis]

That’s something only Zacian and Palafin have had the pleasure of having

[next stump]

i’m surprised we’re 2 weeks away from DLC with no real concrete leaks

[molten oasis]

Yea it’s kinda odd

Maybe they’ll start popping up soon

[ember linden]

We’re getting the jewel type

[next stump]

I guess leaking DLC is different than leaking the main game, it’s probably way easier to get your hands on a copy of the game before release than it is to get the DLC

[molten oasis]

That’s what it’s called?

[keen karma]

im nervous for reg f

[ember linden]

Yeah, only hits itself for super effective but takes everything else neautral

[crude pollen]

I'm still waiting to hear about the paradox of my favorite of the 3 dogs. Where's my Entei?

[dapper crag]

Yeah DLC is locked behind download

[molten oasis]

That’s, interesting

[cyan smelt]

I'm curious about terapagos

[molten oasis]

So kinda like the ghost type except no immunities or resistances

[ember linden]

Not sure if it’ll be available to tera into for pokemon that aren’t koraidon miraidon and terapogos tho

The leaks I watched says terapogos is going to be broken

[molten oasis]

I think that doesn’t sounds crazy broken, at first glace

[ember linden]

It has insane bulk

[molten oasis]

Wow really the dlc Mon being broken

[dapper crag]

Ogerpon was thought to be broken

[molten oasis]

[ember linden]

It’s gonna have an ability that changes it’s type at the end of every turn🗿

[molten oasis]

Ogerpon is also in a format with urshifu

[dapper crag]

Ogerpon doesn't even compete with Amoonguss/Heatran, only role compression is the waterspring one on balance

[cyan smelt]

If paradox terrakion is gonna be rock/psychic I don't see how terapagos is gonna be rock/psychic too

[molten oasis]

Wellspring is the best one imo

[molten oasis]

I really hope those leaks are fake

[nocturne holly]

2 MINUTES 🗣️🗣️

[cyan smelt]

Maybe it'll be water/fairy

[ember linden]

Its normal form is gonna be normal rock

[molten oasis]

Tbf we saw the leaks where Munkidori had shadow tag

So, it’s not unlikely these are fake

[dapper crag]

Discussing the game shouldn't be in the Scarlet Violet discussion ?

[molten oasis]

This is somewhat more comp related

[ember linden]

Normal terapogos leaked stat spread: 150/100/25/100/5/40

[molten oasis]

We’re discussing the mons and how they’re going to fare competitive in

[cyan smelt]

Spoiler that shit

[ember linden]

It’s not confirmed tho

[molten oasis]

||IT HAS 5 SPECIAL DEFENSE???||

[cyan smelt]

So what

[bold geode]

That's not real lmao

[ember linden]

It isn’t a spoiler if it isn’t confirmed

[nocturne holly]

@ember linden who did a drive get these leaks from

[molten oasis]

That has to be fake that is a dogshit ev spread

[dapper crag]

these would be stats not evs...

[nocturne holly]

RENTAL IS FUCKING OUT

[molten oasis]

You know what I meant

[bold geode]

QUICK DILLON DELETE IT

[molten oasis]

Real

[next stump]

LOL

[ember linden]

He says he works for TPCi and it’s anonymous lol, I’m not saying anything is confirmed I’m just talking about what could be the case

[bold geode]

Lmao

Dillon is always watching

[nocturne holly]

From khu or centro?

[ember linden]

Idk

[molten oasis]

So guys let’s hope these are fake

Those sound dumb asf

[next stump]

the precedent set in this chat is that you’re allowed to discuss all game spoilers that are not story related, so you can discuss movepools/stats/typings/etc.

at least that’s how it was with the release of the games themselves

[molten oasis]

I don’t even look at leaks unless it’s a week before

[ember linden]

One of Terapogos’s forms has friend guard but only for itself :}

[molten oasis]

Usually the leaks that are a week before TEND to be pretty close or spot on

[ember linden]

It has 3 forms

[molten oasis]

Oh great it has forms like ogerpon

[ember linden]

Normal and two dif

[molten oasis]

🫠

[next stump]

bro everything has twelve forms nowadays

[molten oasis]

Fr

How to make a Mon unique, give it forms

[ember linden]

We got archaludon stats

[molten oasis]

And then watch only 1 form get usage

[nocturne holly]

give now

[molten oasis]

I am very excited for Archaludon

[bold geode]

We got mons with forms like they're just clothes in the closet

[molten oasis]

LOL

[fallen rivet]

Re. That leak. Tachyon cutter was confirmed to have no accuracy check and the leak says it has 100% accuracy

In addition it fails to list archaludon’s move as being 1 turn in the rain.

There’s several other things that don’t add up so this is most likely fake

[ember linden]

85/105/120/125/45/60 for archaludon

[molten oasis]

it got

Less special defense???

[orchid falcon]

sup guys

[molten oasis]

How tf does that make sense

[ember linden]

No clue

[molten oasis]

This has to be fake

[orchid falcon]

we seeing how good Archaludon is?

[molten oasis]

They wouldnt drop its special defense more

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 884: Duraludon

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Light Metal, Heavy Metal, Stalwart (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/95/115/120/50/85

Total

535

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[fallen rivet]

||it is||

[molten oasis]

Good

[bold geode]

Comp chat be like: we say leaks?

[orchid falcon]

i need gameplay trailer

WE NEED MORE MOVE INFO

[nocturne holly]

fr

[ember linden]

Hydrappl: 95/115/125/135/85/45

[orchid falcon]

COME ON GAMEFREAK HYPE THE DLC

[nocturne holly]

Dipplin evo?

[orchid falcon]

isnt that from that so called employee leak?

[ember linden]

Yes

[fallen rivet]

Fr this isn’t swsh trailer season lul

[orchid falcon]

its a leak i think

[ember linden]

Holy fuck I’m just talking about leaks that I never said are true

And yes

[orchid falcon]

bruh

[ember linden]

Potential bug dragon

[dull ibex]

bug dragon gross

[nocturne holly]

really? /j

We need bug dragon type
We don’t have one

[molten oasis]

Fr

[ember linden]

Gamefreak please

[molten oasis]

That is so fake it’s not even funny

[ember linden]

It better be

[molten oasis]

There is no fucking way that’s real

[ember linden]

That also has the ability that makes it take 3/4 damage

[keen karma]

jewel?

[ember linden]

New type that even though it’s leaked and not confirmed I believe it

Takes hits neutrally from everything but itself and does the same for attack damage calcs

Koraidon and Maraidon are said to get tera forms too

Winged King and Iron Serpent

[nocturne holly]

That’s fucking cool

[ember linden]

Winged King: Jewel and Flying. Iron Serpent: Jewel and Steel

[nocturne holly]

That’s really fucking cool

[nocturne holly]

What’s the ability do

[ember linden]

Changes type after every turn😍

[nocturne holly]

Like rotates through all 18 types?

[ember linden]

We can all agree that ability seems probable right? and I’m serious

[nocturne holly]

god fuck no

[ember linden]

Random, not sure if it gets random duel types

[nocturne holly]

god no

[ember linden]

It has all types on it’s design I really do see it happening

Not like I want to but

Also we’re getting a tera blast version that’s automatically a jewel type move and doesn’t change when you tera

Supposedly

That would be a nice counter to the type ngl

[bold geode]

Yeah that's fake AF lmao

[chrome knot]

monke

[ember linden]

God I hope so

[chrome knot]

i almost great 9

[bold geode]

Yes emmie

[dapper crag]

muting this section for a while, this is not competitive lol

[bold geode]

Oh poggers

[chrome knot]

woooo!!

[chrome knot]

bc the real players hide away

[ember linden]

Again it is related

[chrome knot]

im actually feasting dude

this moon team is so sex

[ember linden]

Bc we’re talking about how broken something will or won’t be in comp

[molten oasis]

[ember linden]

W, il the klawf btw

[dapper crag]

with your logic discussing fakemons would be appropriate

[ember linden]

You can but I don’t see why you would

Please point out the logic flaw you see.

😄

[bold geode]

Mmmmmmmm
Me likey

[ember linden]

Moon is sex

[bold geode]

Not here cuz that MIGHT BE against server rules idk

[fallen rivet]

real

[chrome knot]

my favourite pokemon is florgusdonk

typing is crystal meth

[bold geode]

BRUH

[chrome knot]

moveset is spaghetti bomb, banana blast, and specifically knock off

[bold geode]

Naw we gotta stop LMFAO

[ember linden]

Don’t let Emma cook😭

[cyan smelt]

I hope dipplin evo and archaludon are good

[ember linden]

if the leaked stat spreads are true they seem good

[fallen rivet]

I hope all the mons introduced are meta relevant in some degree (pls don't give iron crown expanding force)

[ember linden]

Gamefreak I swear

[cyan smelt]

Tachyon strike with instruct oranguru

[ember linden]

🗿

One shot potential

[molten oasis]

THE FLUTTERMANE KILLER

(Joke)

[ember linden]

This looks interesting but

Doku Momo

Typing: Poison Ghost
Stats: 88/106/106/106/106/88

That is not real😭

[molten oasis]

That’s

Eh I mean it’s not like it’s impossible

It has nothing above average

It be a good support Mon

Wtf is Doku Momo

[ember linden]

That’s the 4th of the loyal three

Potentially the leader but I have no idea

[molten oasis]

THERES A 4TH ONE???

[orchid falcon]

the 2 part name is interesting

[dull ibex]

I'm right here

[orchid falcon]

Bru

[molten oasis]

loyal 3 my ass

[orchid falcon]

||Dokutoro||

[molten oasis]

More like dishonest 4

[ember linden]

||I mean the story was the opposite too||

[molten oasis]

Lmao

So my new name is perfect

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-angry-splat-fight-snail-gif-7878851

[dull ibex]

I'm a real player

[ember linden]

Nuh uh

[fallen rivet]

So am I (I consistently lose )

[molten oasis]

Bro one in the same

[dull ibex]

Who?

[ember linden]

Nuh uh

[dull ibex]

Asked

[molten oasis]

Got ‘em

[dull ibex]

[ember linden]

Nuh uh

[orchid falcon]

Aint no way bro landed that on fcking discord

[orchid falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-reverse-card-gif-24856155

[ember linden]

Nuh uh

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

Me when torn clicks tw (I have support moon)

[chrome knot]

who

[dull ibex]

I asked

[chrome knot]

i didnt🥺

[orchid falcon]

POV: He clicks tw (i have trickroom)

[molten oasis]

[cyan smelt]

Pov he clicks fake out (I have armour tail)

[orchid falcon]

indeedee pulling up psy terain

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-26050971

[molten oasis]

POV arma clicked expanding force (I switched in rillaboom)

[cyan smelt]

POV torkoal used eruption (I used rain dance)

[orchid falcon]

POV: hands clicks fake out on armor tail (i switched to weezing)

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/31619d82e6fa2d78 😌

[molten oasis]

POV: Dusclops used TR (I used taunt)

[ember linden]

POV: Dusclops gets taunted(I have mental herb)

[dull ibex]

then it gets blown up next turn

[dull ibex]

pov: i had tera dark

[molten oasis]

POV: not prankster

[dull ibex]

imagine losing to taunt

[molten oasis]

Fr

[cyan smelt]

we should get a new regi that has 200 in every stat and huge power

[molten oasis]

[orchid falcon]

whats trickroom for?

[dull ibex]

resetting

[orchid falcon]

ah reversing tr?

[orchid falcon]

POV: Dusclops uses herb ( i have knock off)

[fallen rivet]

POV: you run into a revival blessing A-golem explosion tr team (I’m so confused)

[ember linden]

POV: Dusclops gets hit with knock off(I tera dark and you knock off power herb bc you didn’t specify)

[orchid falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-freddy-five-nights-at-freddy's-discord-finger-wag-gif-1443656063613195214

252+ Atk Protosynthesis Tera Dark Roaring Moon Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. Lvl 50 252 HP / 100 Def Eviolite Tera Dark Dusclops: 153-181 (104 - 123.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[ember linden]

POV: 252 252 4

[orchid falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-doorbell-gif-4270331981742801224

[orchid falcon]

when in doubt, 252 252 4

[dull ibex]

That's why I kept it yeah

[molten oasis]

How it feels to fight NP dengo rn

[fallen rivet]

I wonder what gholdengo’s gonna do once incin and para entei come online

[mellow barn]

Nothing because it's ability

[fallen rivet]

True

[oblique palm]

What's a general good ev spread for Sinistcha?

[mighty stump]

Depends on the goal and the defensive thresholds you plan on achieving

You can calc for Icicle Crash as a baseline into Chien-Pao physically, or you can weigh heavier on the SpDef side cause you have Intimidate on your side

But you generally will be running Max HP first and foremost

[lofty tartan]

[dull ibex]

!

[true niche]

i agree https://twitter.com/ZeBanded/status/1728804981279428974

people are saying incineroar will take over arcanine-H but I have arcanine-H will be the best and popular fire type imo

[mighty stump]

Until Arcanine starts getting Fake Out

Doubt it

It doesn't get pivot power either

Are people forgetting Incineroar went up against legends quite comfortably

And who cares, they play differently anyways

"Best X type" is a pointless declaration

[true niche]

would you agree Urshifu-Rapid Strike is the best water type?

[mighty stump]

? And the point of that declaration is?

Wellspring Ogerpon/Gastrodon w Tera Pressure/Tatsugiri with Storm Drain and Tera can beat Urshifu, does that make them better water types?

Kyogre also exists 🤷‍♂️

Doesn't matter what the "best" is

Doesn't add anything to the considerations of context other than matchups

[silk stream]

@nocturne holly just curious about that rental team u posted. Why is dragon a good tera for dengo. Especially if ur using it defensively

[mighty stump]

Its a good flip, and helps resist FWG which is very common coverage atm and the main offensive coverage you want to account for

[silk stream]

Yeh, just played some games with it on Showdown. Actually very noticeably good

[mellow barn]

Being hard stuck on around 20000 in game ladder

I change Iron Hands to my team instead of Rillaboom.
Personally while I do see the power Rillaboom has, it feels so... weird to use.

[mighty stump]

Considering around 200,000 people play

[mellow barn]

True...

[nocturne holly]

tofus back 😊

[nocturne holly]

Yea basically what tofu said
resisting FWG is huge and is a solid defensive Tera rn

[mellow barn]

Though still speculation what the next DLC will bring. I planned out a team already from the leaks etc.
https://pokepast.es/d5dcaf5d52db82ba
Question is, would this be viable on ladder in the future

[mighty stump]

I don't see why it wouldnt be viable but literally no one can say much about how things will perform

I'd shy away from future DLC talk until we have real information on release

So say wait till then

[rough maple]

You guys… ever just get hit by a crit banded hisui arcanine in both of your pokemon?

[mellow barn]

Gotcha. Was thinking mostly how I would bild it 😛

Yes

[rough maple]

I now am a member of the “I hate H-Arcanine” club

Anyways that’s all good day, Imma delete the infernape team I just made out of pure frustration

[mighty stump]

ive gotten hit w a double heat wave crit into double burn before

love this game

[dull ibex]

hello everyone

I return from animal crossing to offer a vgc stream because I need to kill 30 minutes

[mighty stump]

Only 30 minutes?

[dull ibex]

not only but my shops open in game in 30

[mighty stump]

lmao

I tax evade in ACNH

c:

[dull ibex]

i recently got pathing and my basement

[mighty stump]

I turned my basement into a

What do you call those things

THe things that make music

[dull ibex]

dude do you wanna see my house LMAO

[mighty stump]

Well I cant VC rn

[dull ibex]

CRINGE

[mighty stump]

But at some point sure

[dull ibex]

my island is coming together well

I added a mini kid's playground

[mighty stump]

I made literally 10% of my island super pretty and quit

[mighty stump]

Sus

Are you tryna get more bucket boys

chop chop

[dull ibex]

yes I make them power my dock

https://pokepast.es/e3a547eacd85f402 we roll boys

I don't bring torn to most of my games unless they have tw lmao

[dull ibex]

hey so emulator talk isnt allowed yeah? does that extend to the nso emulators yeah?

[nocturne holly]

👀

[dull ibex]

or is that an exception because its official

I imagine its an exception

[mighty stump]

Probably an exception

[dull ibex]

fair

I hope we get the gen 3 games on nso

interior decorating is hard

[eager minnow]

Is it a trend of having pelipper and basculegion on the same team recently for single battle

[mighty stump]

Can't say much, don't play it. I'd assume Rain is still a favourable weather due to Basculegion/Watershifu

[solid ravine]

i'd find it interesting if gamefreak made a swift swim but for sun

call it hot feet or whatever

[grizzled bronze]

chlorophyll

[charred saddle]

pajamasock doodoo

[silk stream]

Sorry for the 2nd ping @nocturne holly just wanna say thanks for the rental. Gonna build it in game now. Been playing it on showdown and having a blast. Did swap mushroom out for ogerpon instead.

[gentle crag]

mas.n has given 1 Gen Rep to .begulajr.

[eager minnow]

But 2 in a roll? Is it common?

[mighty stump]

Dunno

[eager minnow]

It is a thing already

[mighty stump]

Could check Home usage

[eager minnow]

It isn’t much, like not top 10

Which let me confused

[bold geode]

Lmao
Honestly I try to make it pretty
But then it becomes the opposite
I actually had a decent island going, but then I lost it when I switched Switches

[dull ibex]

I transfered mine

[bold geode]

I tried to
It just didn't

[dull ibex]

when i swapped switches

fair

[bold geode]

Which made me sad cuz I had good villagers
Like Cherry, Fauna, Diana
I had some popular villagers

[keen karma]

Man i wish sun teams didnt suck for me

[keen karma]

Chlorophyll

[solid ravine]

i forgor

[keen karma]

But i dont think fire types even get the ability

[solid ravine]

so a chlorophyll for fire types

[keen karma]

Yes

[orchid falcon]

are dondozo and tatsu still good in doubles?

[charred saddle]

ye ig

[next stump]

yeah, it’s normally like dozo/tatsu/glimmora/dragonite/chien-pao and a 6th

tera dragon order up dozo is scary to deal with unless you position correctly

[keen karma]

flutter yu

[next stump]

yeah definitely also a combo to throw on there

[keen karma]

oh you said glimm

[keen karma]

how would toxapex be in place of glimm

[next stump]

too slow

you want the immediate poison from spikes

[mellow barn]

I just lost to dodonzo team

[orchid falcon]

i used to used to run Rest, sleep talk, curse, and order up

but with tera fire

never considered tera dragon

[next stump]

dragon is usually your best bet right now

you need to retain a resistance to ueshifu

[orchid falcon]

what EV spread should i use for tatsu and dondozo

also does tatsugiris item matter?

like does stuff like rocky helmet trigger while in dondozo?

[karmic temple]

Tatsu generally runs sash/ability shield or I’ve seen some run scarf

I think max/max since it just sits in dozo

[polar canyon]

Yo

[orchid falcon]

K team is done https://pokepast.es/5833c8708e9fd3dd pls help fix or improve

ill be testing it

tested it

and i can now confirm this team is VERY annoying to play against

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-1999627278

[mighty stump]

It does not

[keen karma]

i think droopy is the least optimal one to use here you probably want normal tatsu and another coverage move for flutter

[orchid falcon]

good idea

what should i replace

im thinking curse

[next stump]

no need for curse on dondozo unless you’re running it without tatsu

[orchid falcon]

k

[keen karma]

i think also faster dozos are a bit more valuable rn

[chrome knot]

i did iittttttttt

[next stump]

congrats 🙂

[mighty stump]

If its solo Dozo id rather run Yawn/Crash/Slam/Protect

[pearl wind]

[orchid falcon]

k i havent lost a game yet with this new team

3 wins

2 were close wins but the opponent forfeited

and 1 was a real W

[orchid falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/delightful-blope-happy-cat-jumping-gif-26304688

[chrome knot]

thanky thanky

[gentle crag]

setsumizi has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[dull ibex]

hello

[orchid falcon]

sup

[tepid mirage]

What's the difference between Razor Claw and Scope Lens?

[orchid falcon]

they are the same

but razor claw is also an evo item for some pokemon

[tepid mirage]

Jamie Boyt said there was a difference but never explained it

So I'm skeptical

[dapper crag]

Item: Razor Claw

Holder's critical hit ratio is raised by 1 stage. Evolves Sneasel into Weavile when held and leveled up during the night.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

Item: Scope Lens

Holder's critical hit ratio is raised by 1 stage.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[molten oasis]

Yea that is literally the difference is the evolution requirement lol

[tepid mirage]

Note to self: never trust a top player

[molten oasis]

Lol

[dull ibex]

except redington stonium

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-angry-splat-fight-snail-gif-7878851

[next stump]

I feel like there was an incredibly niche advantage that I heard on a regional broadcast

like 1 in 1000 games kinda niche

but I can’t remember

[keen karma]

wdym like a roll?

[next stump]

I can’t remember

[keen karma]

alr

you're talking abt gdansk regionals right?

[keen karma]

top 4 brisbane team is too good

[smoky hawk]

Specs regieleki tera ghost tera blast avoids fake out and OHKOs fluttermane

And urshifu, but that's a given

[keen karma]

🔥

why do sprites on showdown look dogshit rn

[mighty stump]

Its if you run Fling you have a higher BP

Lol

That's about the only one that comes to mind

[autumn vault]

how good is a sp. attacking Salamence, using it on a team and its a special attacker with hydro pump, tera blast (fairy), draco meteor and flamethrower

[charred saddle]

iirc cybertron did feature a special salamence built and played in regionals with a nice placement.

its a scarf set with hurricane, draco meteor and tailwind.
its a rain team so hurricane 100%

https://youtu.be/96sdU_SqCOA?si=NOE4Z8wQhXD9bIM4

https://pokepast.es/76b11baf9e9aee30

[autumn vault]

ok, so its still good?

it seems like it

[charred saddle]

i wouldnt say its good, but its there and seems viable. thats my opinion

[autumn vault]

ok thx for responding

i will post a rental team with pokepaste with the salamence, now i have to calculate where are the evs put at

[charred saddle]

goodluck

[karmic temple]

https://pokepast.es/f7928a6797a77cb9

Was I cooking or do I need to go back to the kitchen

Munki feels a little out of place tbh

[autumn vault]

go back to the kitchen and replace munk and moltres with something else, everything else is good

[mighty stump]

Im, not seeing why you need Munkidori here, but id be wary of how passive the team can seemingly be in certain positions

Id opt for TR on Sinistcha for some endgames over Life Dew

and that spread on Heatran i.e. my spread, just be aware to proactively be using Parting Shot since its an Intimidate-based calc

a lot of Life Dew on the team, I feel the team can also falter to Taunt quite easily

[autumn vault]

ok, i have calculated ev's on my rental team, will share it real soon 👀 EDIT: and error ocurred when i tried to upload my rental code, now i have to wait 6 hours and its past my bedtime so unfortunately, not real soon

[raven sun]

@trail coral I can't message you since your DMs are closed to non-friends, but there was a spot on the waitlist open for the draft league if you wanted to join still. Will have to DM me if interested.

[nocturne holly]

No problem and good luck building it
And thanks for trying it

[gentle crag]

.begulajr. has given 1 Gen Rep to mas.n

[molten oasis]

What’s up y’all

[trail coral]

Ah yes Im sorry about that I forgot it was still closed to anyone but friends I will disable that now but I am still interested

[raven sun]

Alright

DM me when you are able to

[elfin spear]

any suggestions on who can be number 6 https://pokepast.es/4eafedd73f4ad9bd

[next stump]

you currently get run over by tailwind teams

so tornadus would be my suggestion to start with

[elfin spear]

ok that seems like it would help thcs

[mighty stump]

I feel Booster would be better on Bundle and sash on Mane here

[next stump]

for sure

that would also semi-alleviate the need for tailwind

[elfin spear]

sash on bundle has won me many games but i do see why that would be good

[mighty stump]

Honestly having a Grass type to complete FWG for natural resist for Ursh would be pretty nice, Amoonguss improves the TR matchup and you' can somewhat deal with most Tailwind using Booster Bundle

[dull ibex]

👀

Bundle has been pog for me

[nocturne holly]

*what’s poppin

Instant rizz
Guaranteed or your money back

[dull ibex]

Hi

[orchid falcon]

go booster, max speed and +speed nature outspeeds flutter

[molten oasis]

Yea you think I have rizz?

[bold geode]

Bundle pog

[smoky hawk]

Yes they changed fluttermane sprite into this tiny ugly gremlin 🤮

[smoky hawk]

Been using it lately myself

[raven sun]

Still can't DM if you are aware

[nocturne holly]

For curiosity’s sake what form? Wellspring?

[empty haven]

help i need a trick room sinistcha build

[next stump]

rage powder/trick room/matcha gotcha and a 4th move like Strength Sap or Shadow Ball

EVs almost entirely in bulk

that’s the standard build from what I’ve seen

[empty haven]

what held item?

[next stump]

rocky helmet what’s I’ve seen the most

recovery berries and mental herb are not bad

[smoky hawk]

I've been thinking how to stop TR. Let me know if you guys like any of these ideas

[nocturne holly]

bet bitch

[smoky hawk]

1st idea: flutter with sash, moonblast, shadow ball, trick room, imprison

2nd idea: lead with 2 pokemon that have taunt 🤭

[nocturne holly]

fr

I used to do the second idea with weezing+torn

for the first idea why not use anything other than flutter for the sake of canceling tr

[smoky hawk]

That would make sense but I would have to change my team quite a bit

[empty haven]

good urshifu counter yeah

tera fire or water?

[next stump]

i’ve seen both

depends if you value always resisting urshifu

versus being weak to hands/rillaboom with water

[cyan smelt]

Tera dragon

[silk stream]

Actually just grass form. But playing half support with the follow me. Currently sits next to gengo once he's set up, or used to one tap urshus

Water could be good. But I felt like having a defiant Mon is also jsut a good mental game.

[trail coral]

Im trying but I might have to add you as a friend I think that’s the only way I can DM you

[raven sun]

You may have to go to your Privacy Settings for the Pokemon servers themselves since doing it from your User Settings won't retroactively unset them (It only works for new servers you join after changing that setting)

[smoky hawk]

Tera dragon flutter makes water urshifu anxious

They don't know whether to strike it or punch it

[molten oasis]

Kingambit+Iron Bundle goes hard

[nocturne holly]

Tbh both work well
I think idea 2 would be better imo

but you’re wasting both slots to stop tr

[molten oasis]

Just kill the tr setter

Ez

[cyan smelt]

Not so easy with armadeedee

[molten oasis]

Ik

I was about to say unless you’re armadeedee

Also CTS ladder LOVES weak armor WP armarouge

[cyan smelt]

Then you either snarl or rock slide

[molten oasis]

And I fucking hate it

[cyan smelt]

With endure?

[molten oasis]

Yep

That shit is so annoying

[fallen rivet]

Tempted to learn the way of the gholdengo but I don’t have one in game 💀

[molten oasis]

Do it

Gholdengo is awesome

[fallen rivet]

What sets and spreads are good. Because I may swap out my farigiraf on my main team for it

[karmic temple]

What do we like as our bulky lefties gholdengo spread 😌

Im back in the kitchen

[hasty yarrow]

What would be a good last Pokémon for This team my biggest problem is dondozo
https://pokepast.es/375a01bd86f579e6

[dull ibex]

do you have the coins?

I can give you mine and the set if you can evolve my shiny

Gholdengo @ Leftovers
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 60 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 188 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Nasty Plot
• Protect
  its this btw

[fallen rivet]

I don’t, that’s what I’m missing lul

[nocturne holly]

I’m really liking bulkier dengo
Bulky dengo sacrifices speed which I don’t mind

[molten oasis]

Yea NP dengo wants a lot of bulk

[nocturne holly]

no dengo doesn’t like bull

it like bulk
Silly

[molten oasis]

Gholdengo @ Leftovers
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 196 HP / 212 Def / 60 SpA / 4 SpD / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Nasty Plot
• Protect

I hate auto correct

LO is an option

If you don’t want recovery

I PERSONALLY like recovery

But I’ve been seeing LORB pop up a lot more

[nocturne holly]

fucking great spread

I’ve had success with both LORB and lefties

With that god spread

[molten oasis]

Well

I am a god at making ev spreads

(You use like ALL of mine so)

[nocturne holly]

lost my second game of the season

[fallen rivet]

I want to play on the official ladder but I don’t want to drop $15/month on nso

[karmic temple]

What

It’s $20 for the entire year

[fallen rivet]

it is?

[karmic temple]

Yes ?? I was like there’s no way I paid $240 a year just to play online pokemon

[fallen rivet]

oh (I may be stupid)

That’s worth it then lmao

Brb

[karmic temple]

Glad I could help

[fallen rivet]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

wafflefries.787b has given 1 Gen Rep to chriscastiel

[karmic temple]

I know I waste money but no way I waste money like that lol

[fallen rivet]

lol

[vague whale]

Anyone have advice for building a snow team preferably using mamoswine 😅

[fallen rivet]

Ninetails-A is probably the best snow setter atm

[vague whale]

So far I've found screens to be useful for him but he's like mid rate speed so not fast or slow having trouble with that aspect

[fallen rivet]

Speed control wise what do you have right now

[vague whale]

Icy wind alolan ninetales and tornados for tailwind

[fallen rivet]

Gotcha

And what’s the rest of the team

[vague whale]

H-arcanine, amoongus, water oger

[fallen rivet]

I see

[vague whale]

Arcanine for some attack drops, amoongus to spore problems away, and water oger for some special bulk and water absorb is very good

[fallen rivet]

Gotcha. I personally am not sure what to change at all. Apologies

[marble coral]

choice band and icy wind a9

choice band on swine

[vague whale]

I guess the better question would be how can I make mamoswine an absolute unit

[dapper crag]

Went back to Choice Band Landorus instead of Hisiuan-Arcanine, the lack of pivoting stresses me

trying out Ogerpon-Heartflame instead of Amoonguss

[vague whale]

I love fire oger such a clean amount of damage plus mold breaker are just 🤌

Grass and fire offer wonderful coverage and the speed is just high enough to still be a problem and also not fall victim to too many speed based issues

[marble coral]

choice band mamoswine icy wind and veil a9

max speed after icy wind outspeeds majority of threats + ice shard for lando if it doesnt outspeed

[nocturne holly]

Played 4 cart matches today
Climbed 500 ranks to 1483 or smth

[fallen rivet]

Dang I just caught a 0 speed IV gimmigoul. Do I save it and catch a different one?

[nocturne holly]

yea

that could be valuable for trading
Idk

[vague whale]

Hmm so tailwind would make him faster than lando?

[nocturne holly]

but not ideal for comp

scarf landot?

[vague whale]

With those conditions met

[nocturne holly]

If it’s scarf landot most likely not

[fallen rivet]

Ideally I’d want a 0 atk one for a gholdengo then?

[nocturne holly]

Ideally
But not really necessary in this meta

[molten oasis]

Yea

[fallen rivet]

Ok sick

[nocturne holly]

playing less than 5 matches is actually goated

[molten oasis]

Foul play just doesn’t exist rn

[dapper crag]

choice band is so disgusting wtf

[molten oasis]

Banded lando goes hard

[fallen rivet]

Sweet(Now back to grinding coins 💀)

[nocturne holly]

I’ve played 19 matches and have lost only 2
Just stop playing when you lose

[nocturne holly]

I hate that shit
5% chance that a chest respawns
each day

Are you soft resetting for it?

[dapper crag]

maybe i don't see the value in hisiuan arcanine but I just won in 3 turns on the back of Earthquake lol

[fallen rivet]

Uhhhhhhhhhhh no

I’ve been through 4 today

[nocturne holly]

once you get all the over world chests you have to soft reset

[fallen rivet]

Dern

[molten oasis]

mmm

Why are you running eq?

[dapper crag]

because I can

[fallen rivet]

And then soft reset for max coins or

[molten oasis]

Great answer love it

[molten oasis]

Pretty much

That’s kinda how you farm the dengos

[dapper crag]

Tornadus is Flying so immune

[molten oasis]

So are other Tornadus and lando and rilla nerfs it

[dapper crag]

Yeah I know, got 3 other moves I can click

[molten oasis]

Are you running the Niels banded lando set by any chance?

[dapper crag]

the what ?

I run Choice Band Landorus

[molten oasis]

Niels is a comp player

He ran CB lando with eq and stomping tantrum and a bunch of us do not think it’s good

Right now because of how common torn lando and rilla are

It’s just better to run stomping tantrum

[dapper crag]

I have stomping tantrum too

[molten oasis]

Then rock slide

Then Tera blast

[dapper crag]

I have rock slide too

[molten oasis]

And uturn

[dapper crag]

I have U-Turn also

[molten oasis]

Tera blast is pretty much a nuke option

Which you could need to win a match

[dapper crag]

ha ha

Got none of that and I'm not feeling I'm missing it

even Arcanine I didn't run it

Went Normal with Rock Head Rock Slide Extreme Speed Flare Blitz

[nocturne holly]

Fr

[fallen rivet]

Ok I just tried soft resetting for gimmighoul hunting and got 30 coins 3 times in a row am I doing this right

*4 now

[nocturne holly]

So you go in front of a chest respawn
#1 save game
#2 close game
#3 skip switch clock forward 2 hours
#4 open game and see if Chest is there
If it’s not go back to #1 and rinse and repeat
Once you’ve done a couple of resets check the other chest spawns

[fallen rivet]

Ah that’ll do it

[nocturne holly]

it’s very fucking tedious

[nocturne holly]

Why

I’m blanking

[fallen rivet]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

wafflefries.787b has given 1 Gen Rep to .begulajr.

[charred saddle]

prob meant that in grassy terrain EQ damage is reduced

[nocturne holly]

why

[dapper crag]

Move: Grassy Terrain

For 5 turns, the terrain becomes Grassy Terrain. During the effect, the power of Grass-type attacks used by grounded Pokemon is multiplied by 1.3, the power of Bulldoze, Earthquake, and Magnitude used against grounded Pokemon is multiplied by 0.5, and grounded Pokemon have 1/16 of their maximum HP, rounded down, restored at the end of each turn, including the last turn. Camouflage transforms the user into a Grass type, Nature Power becomes Energy Ball, and Secret Power has a 30% chance to cause sleep. Fails if the current terrain is Grassy Terrain.

Type

Grass

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

Yeah I click other move if I suspect Rilla to be around or directly setting up grassy field

[nocturne holly]

Oh damn
Didnt know grassy terrain had that affect

[dapper crag]

I try to make the optimal play every turn, it's hard but I learn a lot

I like probabilities and predictions

I write down every game result in a google doc, with why I loss

[molten oasis]

Eq is nerfed on grassy terrain

[nocturne holly]

yea just learned that 😭

[nocturne holly]

Do you use PASRS?

Highly recommend if you don’t

[molten oasis]

How consistently are you even clicking eq

A whole part of eq being pretty much dead rn is how inconsistent it is into the meta rn

[dapper crag]

That is not my experience so far

It's also not the only move Lando can click + Lando is only a part of team in a format with 4 out of 6

[molten oasis]

Eq and stomping do the same damage. Spread moves do 75% damage of the moves base power

So

[dapper crag]

Earthquake touches 2 target

[molten oasis]

And your partner

[dapper crag]

Not when they are Immune

[molten oasis]

That is not always gonna be the situation

[dapper crag]

You can click another move if you have another pairing

[charred saddle]

choicelocked into EQ then torn dies

[dapper crag]

You can switch out Landorus too

[molten oasis]

Real

[charred saddle]

then u would need to force switch. makes the slot really open

[molten oasis]

There’s literally too many situations in the meta rn

Where eq is just not good

[dapper crag]

Don't run it if you don't believe in it

[charred saddle]

in cases where the Harc tera’s then rock slide ko torn

[molten oasis]

I’m fucking stating how it runs in the meta

Tera is another factor of it

There is too much that stops eq rn

And plus stomping is just safer overall

[dapper crag]

you make a big deal for a move you can choose to not use if the situation doesn't call for it

[molten oasis]

You’re never going to get into a bad position where you’re doing unnecessary damage to your partner

And it’s really easy for your torn to just get blown up

By a double up

[nocturne holly]

fr

[molten oasis]

If you’re ever in a situation where you clicked eq and you can’t switch you’re just doing unnecessary damage ti your partner which is BAD

And no you’re supposed perfect positioning doesn’t solve the possibility of you getting outplayed

[dapper crag]

A risk I'm willing to take for the upside

Just like Tera Blast wouldn't be used if you don't use Tera

[molten oasis]

Yea but at least Tera blast brings more value when it counts

[charred saddle]

but it doesnt put urself in a bad position

[dapper crag]

https://tenor.com/view/landorus-gif-13744914906800154741

[dull ibex]

Earthquake?

Move sucks ngl

[nocturne holly]

vacuums suck

but yea eq ain’t it

[bold geode]

Earthquake sucks RN cuz of a certain monkey

[dull ibex]

And flying types

[bold geode]

You're welcome

[molten oasis]

Yiu can VERY MUCH thank rilla for that

[dull ibex]

Torn and Lando kill it as well

[bold geode]

That's their job you fucking idiot

[dapper crag]

Comp chat do love their black and white takes

[nocturne holly]

have you tried the rental

[bold geode]

Not yet

[next stump]

i think banded EQ has a couple day 2 placements

it's not completely grief

let me see if I can find a team

[bold geode]

Dillon don't go against me man

https://tenor.com/view/you-halloqueen-gif-6136940

Lol

Anyways Banded probably helps it, but if you're a regular scarf variant, then Tantrum is the way to go imo

[nocturne holly]

@dapper crag what are you sacrificing for eq on landot? U turn?

[dapper crag]

nothing, I picked the move when I was building it

[nocturne holly]

What’s the moveset

[dapper crag]

Stomping Tantrum Earthquake U-Turn Rock Slide

[molten oasis]

Dillon why you go against us

[nocturne holly]

Dillon beats the mid allegations

[bold geode]

Honestly also Tantrum is better simply for the niche of if you want to click it into FO pressure so they get punished by double damage

[nocturne holly]

nothing we can do bout it

[bold geode]

Tera?

[dapper crag]

no tera blast these are the 4 moves

[nocturne holly]

no what Tera loll

[molten oasis]

Neil’s ran something similar

[bold geode]

What is the tera
If it's flying, you want blast lmao

It pressures so much

[dapper crag]

no flying is useless

[molten oasis]

Id argue even water you should run Tera blast

[nocturne holly]

nah

[bold geode]

Flying is useless? Wtf

[molten oasis]

HUH??? WDYM FLYING IS USELESS

[dapper crag]

Why would I tera into Flying ?

[molten oasis]

You lose pressure to threaten an ohko into rillaboom and urshifu

[nocturne holly]

For Tera blast

[dapper crag]

to get weak to Electric xD

[dapper crag]

I don't run Tera Blast

[molten oasis]

Urshifu legit NEVER cares about lando if it doesn’t have Tera blast

Yes that’s just dumb, you lose a lot of offensive pressure without it

[nocturne holly]

So in general Tera flying is not useless
That’s why monke asked what Tera

[molten oasis]

Uturn is not covering for your damage

[bold geode]

Yeah
What tera are you running lmao

[molten oasis]

That Tera blast flying would do into thinks like rilla

[dapper crag]

Water

[molten oasis]

Id even do Tera blast there tbh

[dapper crag]

Reverse weakness into resistances

[nocturne holly]

yea if you’re banded Tera blast over u turn

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/837c1379f621dc67

after scouring three tournaments I only found one day 2 result I must be tripping LOL

[bold geode]

Ok EQ can be a bit savable there
But if flying, then just blast

[bold geode]

Lmao

[molten oasis]

So you don’t like Tera flying because of this but you Tera water? What is your logic

[dapper crag]

Landorus is Flying/Ground

[nocturne holly]

yes

[bold geode]

EW LO URSHIFU

[bold geode]

Ok
What's Waters weaknesses

[dapper crag]

I don't run Tera Blast

[nocturne holly]

Do you know why it’s LORB shifu? Same reason as lorb chien?

[molten oasis]

Extra damage baybee

[molten oasis]

Ok and how often do you Tera?

[bold geode]

Me no likey
Just mystic water that bitch

[molten oasis]

Real

[next stump]

I think life orb urshifu is just for specific close combat calcs mostly, and it also helps give you water tera damage without having to commit to water tera

[dapper crag]

depends what I see on the other side

[next stump]

you can go a defensive tera and still knock out flutter mane/chien-pao/etc.

[bold geode]

No no Drago lets forget about blast here okay

[molten oasis]

Blast is like

[bold geode]

Ray
Answer me
What are Flying's weaknesses

[molten oasis]

The only thing I’d replace eq with any day of the week

[dapper crag]

Hit up a type chart Winton

[bold geode]

No no

[molten oasis]

Dude just tell us

[dapper crag]

Yes yes

[bold geode]

I want you to answer me now

[molten oasis]

We know, we want you to tell us

[nocturne holly]

mhm yea that’s cool tech

[bold geode]

I know my type chart
I want you to tell me

[molten oasis]

We ain’t looking it up cuz your logic sucks

For the weaknesses

[dapper crag]

no

[molten oasis]

Of the Tera

[nocturne holly]

What’s happening?

[bold geode]

What's Flying weaknesses

[dapper crag]

Water resists Ice/Water

[molten oasis]

Yes what is water weak to

[dapper crag]

Which are your only two weaknesses

[molten oasis]

And what is flying weak to

[bold geode]

Ok but hold on
What is Water weak to

[dapper crag]

hit up a type chart

this is going nowhere

[molten oasis]

K

[bold geode]

Hit up some sense

[molten oasis]

THEY ARE BOTH WEAK TO ELECTRIC

Tera flying and Tera water

[bold geode]

BOTH ARE WEAK TO ELECTRIC
Which was your argument against Flying

[dapper crag]

Landorus is immune to Electric

[molten oasis]

oh my god

NO SHIT I FORGOT ABOUT THIS

[bold geode]

Ok
So either tera, you get hit SE