competitive_discussion

[charred saddle]

so in my head. i was calcing against roaring adamant

atk booster

sits at 172, i did mine 173 just a bit faster to hit first.

then i calc the health and def to live some potential ohko

dump rest on sp atk

[mighty stump]

Imo 173 is too slow

Moon can still be Booster atk and Jolly which outspeeds Modest Mane

Any KOs in mind?

[charred saddle]

wiht the booster?

not really, i just dump rest of EVs there

[mighty stump]

Jolly Moon still has a higher attack stat

With Flutter Mane

if you wanna invest

[charred saddle]

hmm

[mighty stump]

Imo, I prefer HP if you have SpA thresholds you wanna hit as well

Because your HP and Defense is equal

Yet your SpDef is incredibly high

This means HP will have a greater % change for SpDef thresholds and still help out the physical aspect a lot more

[charred saddle]

yeah thats what i had in mind, thats the reason i did mine more hp than def

[mighty stump]

But

You would then start basing your calc off of your SpA threshold first

[charred saddle]

2nd bump at 116+

tried dumping rest of EVs at speed

[mighty stump]

No, as in

Defensively

[charred saddle]

oh

[mighty stump]

Here ill make an example spread

Ability: Protosynthesis  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Ghost  
EVs: 116 HP / 124 Def / 116 SpA / 4 SpD / 148 Spe  
Timid Nature```

Process: 
- I started with my speed threshold of 191, to outspeed Jolly Moon and Timid Mane trying to outspeed Jolly Moon that creeps 189, to hit 191
- Added HP to live Flutter Mane Shadow Ball
- then added defense to live Icicle Crash
- Rest in SpA

- 252+ SpA Flutter Mane Shadow Ball vs. 116 HP  / 0 SpD Flutter Mane: 120-144 (82.7 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- 252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 116 HP  / 124 Def Flutter Mane: 121-144 (83.4 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

4 EVs leftover

[charred saddle]

but its not boosted special atk?

[mighty stump]

Yeah but im just saying this for example

Like if we want a Booster SpA spread, your max speed is 187 which at minimum you wanna hit 181 to outspeed Adamant Dozo

[robust jackal]

odd stats > even stats

[mighty stump]

Or whatever Adamant Dozo hits, its like 78x2

[robust jackal]

Just because of the weird thing in vgc where every point is 8 evs except the first point which is only 4

[mighty stump]

4+8n

[robust jackal]

Why does it work like that anyways

[mighty stump]

Dunno

[charred saddle]

its 4 each at 100, EV scales of lvl right?

[robust jackal]

Yeah

[mighty stump]

Yea

[charred saddle]

they might want to make leveling more relevant during story gameplay maybe?

if not itll be like lvl 1 with insane EV stats

[robust jackal]

But you get a lot of new vgc players coming from smogon who plays at level 100 who don't know that about level 50

Rarely will it really probably matter but like

[mighty stump]

If you really want Booster SpA

[robust jackal]

It is irking to look at objectively suboptimal mons

[charred saddle]

right

[mighty stump]

Flutter Mane
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 92 HP / 132 Def / 76 SpA / 4 SpD / 204 Spe
Modest Nature

Theres this, same thresholds except we hit our required speed tier and turns the other calcs into a 1/16 roll

The SpA = Spe, but since SpA comes first in stat order, you get the Booster SpA

1/16 is efficient anyways

[charred saddle]

hmm ill try it in the showdown

since the idea of me having this flutter is to hit hard if they are pretty slow

ill show the team, since im trying to make notes for the rental teams anyway

https://pokepast.es/9dddceb0cd8165ba

main leads are waterpon KG,
rilla Harc, Harc flutter, Rilla KG, waterpon rilla

[mighty stump]

Dont forget your Torn leads

[charred saddle]

torn is just there for like a9, rain dance, taunting potential setup leads

[mighty stump]

Have you tried playing this team full HO yet

[charred saddle]

yeah i dont really bring torn if i see like they are weak to KG

[mighty stump]

just out of curiosity

Like

[charred saddle]

like 4 weak to KG, ill think more to waterpon KG

[mighty stump]

Torn/Flutter/H-Arc/Rillaboom

[charred saddle]

i dont think so

the closest are reds team

[mighty stump]

Cause people looking at this team wil assume thats your main mode

[charred saddle]

the roaring 20s

[mighty stump]

and it should be a mode you leverage

[charred saddle]

no i like torn, but i dont like leading it as its sometimes too passive for me. especially when its a bad lead

like IH and TR setter

usually like cress brings a ment herb

[mighty stump]

Do you really get that much benefit off Rain Dance here

[charred saddle]

i do

[mighty stump]

Like

[charred saddle]

a9, torkoal lead, even rain dancing to Ivy cudgel

[mighty stump]

It reduces H-Arc's damage output, its helpful against Torkoal sure, but you could be getting booster SpA with Specs in Sun and boosting Flare blitz leads

Yeah

but A9 gets shut down with Taunt

and Sunny Day can do the same thing

For Torkoal

You have Waterpon

cause youve invested maximum bulk

and H-Arcanine

Whcih is a x4 resist

Even Flutter can eat an Eruption

Sometimes

well mine can

[inland loom]

I was doing randbats and switched into a grafaiai with my gliscor. He knocked off my toxic orb but still poisoned me with poison touch

[charred saddle]

rilla and KG doesnt like it tho. both which are my main

[mighty stump]

You have a defensive Tera in Rillaboom and Kingambit can also just run a defensive tera, or just go Tera Dark and sucker

Plus with proper positioning you can dodge Indeedee's Psy terrain and FO Torkoals in TR

[charred saddle]

yeah thats what ive been doing

[mighty stump]

If you have to bring Torn into a TR matchup you might not even survive to see Torkoal imo

Like I understand the matchup and what you're trying to achieve

[charred saddle]

for psyspam, torn KG.

taunt and kowtow.

TR up, protect and put in rilla

next turn kowtow/sucker to FO

[mighty stump]

I feel like theres better roads to go about it

[mighty stump]

How are you going to taunt

Its psychic terrain

One of them has to switch

[charred saddle]

oh right

[mighty stump]

and Indeedee can still click Follow Me

[charred saddle]

Harc KG prob is the lead then

rockslide free dmg and kowtow

if they tera, its very nice

[mighty stump]

What do you do into Hands after Indeedee dies nad it doesnt Flinch

[charred saddle]

for IH matchup, its either waterpon KG, SD once kowtow 2 HKO

or what i can do is bring a late game flutter and play to it, or tera fairy blast Harc

[mighty stump]

But im talking about Psyspam + Hands then Torkoal

[charred saddle]

rilla helps with potential 50% HH ko

so indee arm, kowtow indee, rockslide Harc

hands goes in, protect KG switch in rilla

FO IH kowtow arm

i leave the IH for late

[mighty stump]

You get DP'd

But so far youve mentioned KG/Waterpon/Rillaboom/Flutter as your 4

[charred saddle]

whats a DPd?

[mighty stump]

You didnt once mention tornadus here

So im gonna ask you again why you have Rain Dance

c:

[charred saddle]

A9, and weather matchups

[mighty stump]

A9 gets taunted: No A-Veil

Flutter Mane doesnt care about Def boost

And theres no other relevant weather matchups cause you have Waterpon + Rillaboom for watershifu

which is the only "rain" team there is

Plus, it argues that Sunny Day is in fact even better

To counter their Rain Dance

[charred saddle]

no i prefer rain dance as it helps with ivy cudgel like ive said before. while yes it reduces flareblitz, i can click on rockslide.

and since i like using Harc late i can preserve it long enought for rain dance to go out. or even just do banded E speed

[mighty stump]

Only Ivy Cudgel?

Then why not just run Watershifu

Stronger, unable to be protected

[charred saddle]

cant switch out any of the others.
and idk, dont feel comfortable with sunny day, not being able to change sun from torkoal feels weird

flutter lives through it, KG can too with dark tera

[mighty stump]

But we mentioned the Torkoal matchup and you didnt mention bringing Tornadus

[charred saddle]

but it lives with a sliver

that is because its not even the main threat from the opposing side

ill bring torn if they are telegraphing more towards like lillikoal

or like eruption hisui typlhosion

its not like i dont bring torn, its more of like a situational mon thing

[mighty stump]

Typhlosion si pretty easy for you

[charred saddle]

yeah sucker haha

[mighty stump]

Just Fake Out and cover the Tera with Sucker Punch

Typhlosion never moves

[charred saddle]

i mean its just an example

[mighty stump]

Fair enough

[charred saddle]

but yeah

[mighty stump]

Well suit yourself

But I still recommend altering those EVs around to be more optimal

Its important to build good habits in general

[charred saddle]

oh ye definitely. ill try some of them at showdown

[mighty stump]

If you need any help just ask too

[charred saddle]

for flutter ill see if the damage is up to my preferance tho

thanks for the advice

[crude epoch]

I don’t get it, I used Entertainment on Milotic to make it ability Volt Absorb and still was hit by Wild Charge… How it works?

I feel betrayed by the game 🥲

[fringe tulip]

Mold breaker? Idk

[crude epoch]

No, there was Weezing with Neutralizing Gas and Iron hands

Ah

Really, Neutralizing Gas… I thought it disables weather effects

My bad, sorry to disturb 😅

[nocturne holly]

Btw tofu lo dengo has been working so much better, like you said. Way more open to brining it thx

[gentle crag]

.begulajr. has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[dull ibex]

I RETURN

Tailwind:

[nocturne holly]

scarf:

[dull ibex]

my friend just told me he will tell everybody I play off meta (joking)

I can't believe he would do such a thing

I need to be the off meta accusations guys

[nocturne holly]

🤓

[dull ibex]

who are you

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/fifth-element-bruce-willis-meatpopsicle-gif-26539117

[next stump]

work is a scam

why can’t i just play video games all day

this isn’t what my ancestors would have wanted

[molten oasis]

Yes don’t remind me i have to work in 3 hours

[keen karma]

Its just living life to work then passing it on to your children if you decide to have em

[raw thistle]

252+ Atk Silk Scarf Tera Normal Arceus Extreme Speed vs. -1 0 HP / 4 Def Koraidon: 288-340 (84.4 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Silk Scarf Tera Normal Arceus Extreme Speed vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Koraidon: 290-342 (85 - 100.2%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

note to self: run 4 def on scale shot korai instead of spdef

it actually matters lmao

[hot oracle]

I'm scared to use the Pokémon I love in competitive, I don't want to use the Pokémon that people want other people to have when battling I wanna use the Pokémon I want in competitive

[raw thistle]

check it out lmao

[raw thistle]

i mean

it's effectively up to you

the only thing is that if you opt to use whatever you want

and then lose to the plethora of full-on competitive players that use meta teams and play for real

it can't be helped at all

[mighty stump]

Perfect

[mighty stump]

You can use your favourites while being aware of what results you can reasonably get and their limitations

And also that a full team of your favourites cannot exist in a fully competitive environment which is what people are going to want to use: what wins consistently

but the good thing is metamons also have the power to give space to niche pokemon in your teams

There has to be give and take

[keen karma]

i have no reason to bring dengo majority of the time

[gloomy crescent]

Hai chat

[keen karma]

hey

[gloomy crescent]

I have nitro now

Also I boosted the sever

[keen karma]

how can you not encore dengo

thats actually stupid

[near smelt]

What are some strategies built around revival blessing?

[mighty stump]

@dull ibex @bold geode

[bold geode]

Yes sir baby

[keen karma]

a9 walls dozo wtf

[dull ibex]

the four bucketeers

[keen karma]

the four people

[karmic temple]

The four horsemen of the pokepocalypse

[dull ibex]

the four horsemen of the Bucketpocalypse

@bold geode @mighty stump

[mighty stump]

@noble cargo

[keen karma]

idk how you sell with dozo

[dull ibex]

I had a stroke tofu

[keen karma]

its like the easiest gimmick in the world to play

[mighty stump]

WHEN EVE THE APPLE SNAKE APPLE

[keen karma]

🤖

[dull ibex]

This is the greatest call known to buckets

[keen karma]

do you have time for a friendly

[mighty stump]

tree

[dull ibex]

no playing splatoon

[keen karma]

glad im not in that call

[dull ibex]

When eve the apple snake apple

[bold geode]

When bucket the snake

[dull ibex]

when eve ate upon the battle bucket all was known

@bold geode

[mighty stump]

WHEN THE BATTLE BUCKET SNAKE EVE APPLE SNAKE

APPLE EVE BATTLE

[dull ibex]

battle battle bucket bucket

instead of crab champions its Bucket Champions

[bold geode]

Tofu I gotta do ladder climbing to Master Bucket tier

@mighty stump MIGHT MORPHIN BATTLE BUCKET

[mighty stump]

not now babe im battle bucketing

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-mighty-morphin-power-rangers-gif-18003522

[bold geode]

Babe are you alright? You haven't battle bucketed today

[bold geode]

What happened babe? Visiting the bucket?

[willow vault]

I’m just gonna leave you to bucketing, and I’ll be back later when you’ve all calmed down before asking for ideas for Potential Reg F

[dull ibex]

Raggy my Rattle Rucket is full

[bold geode]

The bucketing never stops

[willow vault]

Oh no

Guess I’ll just lab ideas alone

[bold geode]

Ask lol

[dull ibex]

bro someone come in and went "why are you playing shitoon this isnt a union circle"

"you're breaking rules"

yeah nobody cares goes to another vc

[karmic temple]

lol

[keen karma]

or go to splatoon serv

[dull ibex]

no im good

[keen karma]

then dont complain thats bound to happen

not to spark up an issue

[dull ibex]

Tbh doyle Idont care at all

don't come into a vc and complain its not my probelm

[keen karma]

i mean are all of you playing splatoon

[dull ibex]

no just me

[keen karma]

oh then idk what they're on

[willow vault]

Fair enough, favourite weapon?

[dull ibex]

rn splattershot or dualies? maybe roller

[dull ibex]

They came in to complain

it wasnt like they asked something and got ignored

[willow vault]

Nice, I like e-liter because I like ruining blasters day

[dull ibex]

im playing 2

[willow vault]

Ah

[dull ibex]

my baby brother had it and we account share

[keen karma]

why are you playing shitoon in a union circle

[dull ibex]

Because there isnt other VCs?

[keen karma]

😂

[willow vault]

Don’t say your playing Tri-slosher in splatoon 2

[dull ibex]

make a new vc catergory

[dull ibex]

whY?

[willow vault]

It’s so broken, it brings back bad memories

[dull ibex]

I want to play what's broken ngl

im always a meta slave

[willow vault]

Nooooooooooo

[dull ibex]

maybe ill play a higher damage uspport weapon

[graceful pelican]

Hey guys quick question here, if a ditto transforms into a paradox Pokémon that's used booster energy does ditto get the stat boosts as well? Also along that note if you ran booster energy on ditto would you essentially get protosynthises twice?

[willow vault]

Not sure, I haven’t seen the interaction but maybe considering it did copy Zacians attack boost last gen

[dull ibex]

not twice no

[graceful pelican]

that's what I was thinking

[mighty stump]

No

Like

You dont get the boost from the opposition

You;;l have to activate your own protosynthesis

[prime plank]

I have a quick question, if i set up a trick room and then use endure, does the endure goes first? i'm not sure since TR is supposed to reverse priorities

[dull ibex]

tr doesnt reverse priority

it reverses speed tier

[prime plank]

oh my bad i thought it did

[prime plank]

thanks

[gentle crag]

guegue2840 has given 1 Gen Rep to redstonejesus

[dull ibex]

np

[graceful pelican]

Doesn't ditto copy the stat changes of Pokémon? So proto doesn't count as a stat change?

[next stump]

No if you go into your stats screen after a proto boost, it doesn’t say +1

[dense lion]

Proto/quark are their own boosts, similar to a charge boost is separate from stat boost

[gloomy crescent]

Hai I'm diamond

[graceful pelican]

@dense lion thanks buddy trying to wrap my head around the nuances

[gentle crag]

friendshipandunicorns has given 1 Gen Rep to greencross

[gloomy crescent]

@dull ibex @mighty stump @bold geode you having fun in vc

[dense lion]

No problem, it’s pretty complicated for something the game fails to explain properly

[mighty stump]

Nerd

[bold geode]

Yeah grab a bucket nerd

[dense lion]

Thanks, appreciate the compliment

[gentle crag]

greencross has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[dense lion]

(Idk what the context of buckets is)

[gloomy crescent]

Wth tofu

[dull ibex]

you dont want to know

[gloomy crescent]

Wth monke

[dull ibex]

TOXIC TOFU

[bold geode]

He hasn't used his bucket yet

You're not you when you don't use the bucket

[gloomy crescent]

I don't like bucket

[tidal blade]

fought a mirror match which was kinda funny https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-1987056002-ss28r53jvoe0prrh1ckwuv535toyr9qpw

[gloomy crescent]

Been in that call for sometime @bold geode @dull ibex @mighty stump

[dull ibex]

sure have

[smoky hawk]

Dating profiles be like... 👆

[rich olive]

Could you not post my dating profile here, thank you very much

[bold geode]

You too?

[gloomy crescent]

what is going on with people lately

@bold geode @dull ibex @mighty stump not in that chat no more I see

[dull ibex]

Don't ping me unnecessarily please

[nocturne holly]

That’s what the rest of your team is for no?

[nocturne holly]

I’m gonna commit a fucking dengo genocide

[rich olive]

sadly yes

[nocturne holly]

You pinged all three of them like 3 times bruh lol

[junior turtle]

Anyone got an Overqwuil they could trade to me?

[charred saddle]

better luck at #trading_sv #1112832566261731328

[tidal blade]

[bold geode]

Yeah plz don't ping me as much

[minor fossil]

@ bucketeer Monke

[dapper crag]

I just fell in love with Brute Bonnet and I'm cooking something with it. Priority STAB + Spore looks fire ngl

[dapper crag]

Thinking of using Rocky Helmet with Spore Sucker Punch Seed Bomb Protect

Pokémon No. 986: Brute Bonnet

Types

Grass/Dark

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

111/127/99/79/99/55

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.24.2

[nocturne holly]

Why

[dapper crag]

Role compression and I'm having great success with Amoonguss but find it lacking offensively

Amoonguss has given me some seriously dicey end game scenario where I'd have preferred more offensive pressure

[bold geode]

I mean......

Doesn't sound bad

But probably losing to some things like Chi Mane anyways so who knows

[dapper crag]

Heatran is handling Chi Mane well enough

[bold geode]

[dapper crag]

Since my team is using Trick Room has speed control, I love the idea of using a more offensive version of Amoonguss

At worse I'll just lose games but I think it's worth a shot

Already peaked way higher than I thought I could reach, so I'm open to trying out proper teambuilding instead of using safe meta stuff

Like I'm swapping Amoonguss for Brute Bonnet on a standard balance team lol

[bold geode]

Lol
Idk on standard balance, Amoongus ain't bad either

[dapper crag]

It's not about Amoonguss being bad, i just want to experiment with something more complex

I grew bored of the safe team I built, it's good but has troubles outplaying on board positioning

I got encouraged by my coach to actually try something out of the box given my results

[dull ibex]

If you want complex could try to construct a good perish trap team and make it work

[dapper crag]

Nah, Perish Trap is not worth. I've not seen one team use it so I highly doubt it being something worth

[nocturne holly]

does lo round up or down recoil??

[nocturne holly]

tbf same with brute

[dapper crag]

There is a difference between switching one Mon and making a whole team around an idea that isn't anywhere

Brute adds a bit more decision making and basically trades utility for offense while retaining Spore

[nocturne holly]

yea but im using your example of not having seen one team run somethimg

[dapper crag]

I've ran into Brute Bonnet Tera Fire

That's where the idea stems from

[nocturne holly]

🤷‍♂️

[dapper crag]

It plays out similar to Amoonguss in terms of situation I want to bring it into

Instead of clicking Rage Powder it justs draws attacks lol

[nocturne holly]

holy shit dengo is fucking insane

this team is so fucking fun

[lucid rover]

What team?

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/b62162f29cdb43e2 this is what I’m using rn

[lucid rover]

What’s that spread on dengo set for?

[karmic temple]

https://pokepast.es/f769da556c822fdf

I feel like it needs more offensive pressure but idk who to switch out

Its worked well so far but Its very hit or miss

Pls don’t tell me to switch fez dusc or hands 😭 I refuse

[nocturne holly]

A friend gave it, lives landot stomping tantrum

[dull ibex]

here is the thing

its not used because its insanely hard to use

its like how tr is a little uncommon is usually isnt winning tournaments

because its hard to pilot well and alot of players don't want to try

perish trap is in a bit of rough shape as an archetype rn i think but it did well when wolfey played it

[dull ibex]

(comparatively to other years like sand)

[nocturne holly]

Why are you and monke called bucketeers

[dull ibex]

battle buckets

[nocturne holly]

Is it the meme he sent in the other sever

[dull ibex]

probably not

this happened this morning

[next stump]

trick room players at tournaments are cool until I get paired against them

then we have a problem

[bold geode]

Battle bucket

[static ice]

Anyone have a beginner friendly weather team I can try? Could even be bases around trick room

[nocturne holly]

Have this https://pokepast.es/cc7fa8b9ee2943f5

dk how beginner friendly it is

I also had a reg d rain team but dk where it is 🤷‍♂️

[keen karma]

https://pokepast.es/4aef33ab68a7e25c slot in oki here?

[dull ibex]

I'll get there LMAO

[karmic temple]

Added lando and heatran and it feels better but fari feels so out of place besides anti priority

https://pokepast.es/2d6287c78a4edc65

[bold geode]

NEW RENTAL

[mighty stump]

What is this team trying to accomplish its very confusing

[karmic temple]

Fez and clops are cute and I’m just trying to build around them

[mighty stump]

just run Beat Up on Fez so you can actuallky get your Toxic Chain procs and be able to stall with Dusclops

And Farigiraf is out of place because it has a kinda wack set

[dapper crag]

Yeah I sort of figured that, it's quite obvious something that requires you to predict + play board + play to an endgame isn't as streamlined as leading torn and going for Tailwind.

Hence why I went for Brute Bonnet. It's working so far, not going to put on the sideboard yet. I've won more games than I loss so far and kept my rank in MB.

Just insane the amount of points you lose vs the amount of points you win. You really need to win a whole lot to get these ranks back when you're near the top.

1 loss puts me back 80-120 ranks and 1 win is at best 40-50 ranks.

I suspect I got seeded way higher this month because I got in MB on the 1st day with an insane win strek

[dapper crag]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-geoffrey-rush-hector-barbossa-agrred-agree-gif-4849907

If they've got the balls to bring hard TR in a tournament, they must be hella confident

[keen karma]

this has no tr abusers to justify clops

cress is better here

[dapper crag]

Iron Hands is pretty good under TR

Heatran also tend to do well vs most of the faster ones

[keen karma]

too fast to be considered one imo

[dapper crag]

I'm abusing it with Heatran Hands right now as my speed control

Turns out if you underspeed what you're facing, it works

[keen karma]

this is a relatively fast heatran

[dapper crag]

Also Farigiraf is pretty slow

[dull ibex]

heatran is not too fast for tr

you just have to pick your games correctly

I renamed my tr team

[keen karma]

read bruh

[dull ibex]

to Clops 2.0 because it's not soft tr

[keen karma]

i said his heatran is pretty fast

[dull ibex]

Yeah I read what was said

even faster heatrans aren't that fast

[dapper crag]

Yeah I got speed EVs on mine to speedcreep specific speed tier but it underspeeds most HO team in Trick Room with my Flutter Mane setter

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/f53cabc031ff21c7 goated team

the chi-yu spread is under construction

I'll figure it out

Chi-Yu @ Choice Specs
Ability: Beads of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 220 HP / 4 Def / 36 SpA / 4 SpD / 244 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Overheat
• Heat Wave
• Dark Pulse
• Snarl
  might edit it slightly to this

[dapper crag]

I learned so much about role compression in teambuilding, it's really a nice thing to have in mind rn

[dull ibex]

I could push to 252 speed to speedcreep speedcreepers

but im not sure that matters

[dapper crag]

well most Chi Yu are 252 speed

[dull ibex]

shrug

most chi-yu are probably 252+

if im not I don't see the point really

[dapper crag]

Yeah 30% are timid 252 just from two most popular spreads

[dull ibex]

yeah im not that lmao

[dapper crag]

You could bank on more bulk or more special attack then

[dull ibex]

220hp is enough bulk I feel

[dapper crag]

It's a good amount, could invest in special then

[dull ibex]

nah 151 speed is good

and 4 in both defense is fine

if im not calcing I think this is good

36+ is the minimal amount i need which is fine because specs

[dapper crag]

Looks like a spread you calc something for though lol

the arbitrary 220 hp is a whole lot

[dull ibex]

sure is

4 in both defenses because I can

36+ hits first special attack bump

and 220hp is leftover

solid general bulk spread

[dapper crag]

wouldn't you get more odds of surviving physical attacks with some more def investment ?

meta is heavily physical

[dull ibex]

Yeah maybe but that isn't the point

[dapper crag]

just suggesting since you go for general bulk

[dull ibex]

There's no real way to do general bulk on this team without just going hp solely

I have to invest heavy into speed. Doesn't alot of room besides calc's

[mighty stump]

With some nuance

But yeah its mostly just dumped

Like you decide an offensive/speed threshold

and dump

adjust if you want more or not based off the matchups you fave

but like to actually have your EVs actually matter it actually needs to alter your threshold to OHKO - 2HKO - 3HKO

Otherwise you just invested without actually changing the result

[smoky hawk]

Definitely gotta give regieleki a try

Speed control, outspeeds even scarf urshifu

[mighty stump]

So far I think physical regieleki has a lot of merit only because it can delete Flutter Mane while naturally outspeeding it

well

a lot of merit is exaggerating

But its not the worst thing ive seen

Outspeeding scarf shifu also good

Especially since most are Adamant

[smoky hawk]

I was thinking to go special but that is tempting

[mighty stump]

Could go mixed

I think it doesnt take much to remove Urshifu with a tbolt

even with minimal investment

i think you could go Life Orb

Ive seen mixed Band

which sounds bad but cause it can remove said flutter

not the worst thing

[gloomy crescent]

How is dondozo that good

[mighty stump]

-calc 205/1.5

[gentle crag]

Result: 136.666667

[mighty stump]

-clac 137x1.5

-calc 137x1.5

[gentle crag]

Result: 205.500000

[mighty stump]

-calc 138x1.5

[gentle crag]

Result: 207.000000

[gloomy crescent]

Why don't you use your Web calculator @gentle crag one doesn't make sense

I dunno what I'm saying because I don't make sense

[mighty stump]

? Because I don’t want to?

[dull ibex]

based

[mighty stump]

CHOP CHOP BUCKET BOY

ITS SHITTING TIME

[dull ibex]

Give me around 10-20

[true niche]

google? windows calculator?

[strange sorrel]

Could I get some advice on this hybrid TR team? I normally use HO teams so I'm very not used to it and think my team comp needs work: https://pokepast.es/7bfd92458e78f3dd

[dull ibex]

bucket gaming

[strange sorrel]

I noticed I tend to win when I use Cress + Ursaluna at the end, but maneuvering to that point is awkward. The rest of my team isn't super bulky (minus Hands) so it feels weird to bring Ninetales + 3 attackers

[mighty stump]

Discord is already open why wiuld I open something else

[strange sorrel]

I had splashed SD ogerpon on at the end to have something to take advantage of the screens but it's been kinda hit or miss for me

[dull ibex]

you could try making this hard tr if ursaluna is more comfortable

I have a tr team with one setter designed to be functional in matchups I really can't get tr up

[strange sorrel]

Like a backup setter than can get TR up, or just that it can support the rest of your team outside of TR?

I'll definitely give it a try. I've actually never used hard TR before so probably a good time to learn the matchup better

[dull ibex]

I have a team that revolves around tr with dusclops but doesnt auto lose

https://pokepast.es/1745aadacae9ae55 Im pretty happy with this version of a tourney team

[strange sorrel]

Oooh got it. I've seen the WP + Clops combo in a video I think

[dull ibex]

its very strong

[strange sorrel]

I haven't used chi-yu since reg c but i like the idea of having it next to blood moon

[dull ibex]

ping me for stream ig

[mighty stump]

@dull ibex

CHOP CHOP VGC BOY

[dull ibex]

at me again if you come back

[fickle spire]

Is bucketeer a one peice reference?

If so: || Is Bonney a Celestial Dragon? Damn that's crazy. Maybe that's why Akainu didn't kill her when he went after Blackbeard after MarineFord. Is she gonna die or Saturn? ||

[willow vault]

I think it’s because they were using bucket in splatoon 2 yesterday

[fickle spire]

Oh

[willow vault]

Anyway how are you doing today?

[fickle spire]

I'm good. Wau?

Been taking a break from VGC coz last few weeks of the semester at Uni been crazy

[willow vault]

Pretty good, just bought some pasta for 75p so that’s pretty cool

[fickle spire]

75p in this economy. You're ballin

[willow vault]

Not really uni be expensive

[fickle spire]

Fair fair

Any interesting going on....?

[willow vault]

Theory crafting for reg F

[fickle spire]

Oh

Is it released yet? Like the pokemon list or just random

[willow vault]

Not everything but we know some things like the starters are returning

[fickle spire]

True

I'm just hoping the Tapu's are in and Bulu gets Glide

[willow vault]

That could be interesting

[fickle spire]

After that we literally take over

[willow vault]

I mean at the moment I’m contemplating using Primarina

[fickle spire]

I'm hoping Quark Drive mons will have better viability but let's see

[fickle spire]

One of the all time favs. Personally interested in a Serperiar/Feraligator team

[willow vault]

Interesting

[fickle spire]

Thinking Contrary + Protect, Glare/Helping Hand, Leaf Storm and 4th

[willow vault]

Fair

[fickle spire]

Ttar Exca gonna be juicy too

[willow vault]

I’m thinking of using liquid voice Prim, with hyper voice, throat spray

[fickle spire]

Might be interesting depending on the Tera

[willow vault]

It will but I’m a little worried of using them with Landorus, Urshifu and Iron Hands existing but it definitely can be strong

[fickle spire]

High Horsepower for Hands and maybe run Freeze Dry on Bundle for the other 2

[willow vault]

Sounds good

[fickle spire]

Thunderclap Rakiou better be good or I'm gonna be mad

[willow vault]

I’m almost definitely using Incineroar with safety goggles due to smeargle returning

[fickle spire]

I'd rather Urshifu than Smeargle

[willow vault]

I guess but Scarf Smeargle is faster than flutter mane and iron bundle without speed boost, and gets spore

[fickle spire]

Base 75 is that fast damn

[willow vault]

With scarf max speed yes

By 1 point of speed faster than timid bundle (no speed boost)

[fickle spire]

I forget do decimals round up or down?

[willow vault]

Or jolly (they both speed boost so you get the point)

[mighty stump]

Down

[willow vault]

Thought so but wasn’t sure

[fickle spire]

190 or 208+

Maybe Pult will be back in the Meta who know

[willow vault]

I’m also looking at porygon 2 (for trick room) because both Incineroar and primarina are quite slow

[fickle spire]

Not sure how often P2 will be better than Cres considering how strong Lunar Blessing is

[willow vault]

It is technically bulkier than cresselia

But not having lunar blessing is obviously a loss

[fickle spire]

But Cres heals the partner so situational no one is better than the other

[willow vault]

I know

[fickle spire]

Both could work like some ppl using Dusclops recently

Haven't played alot so no idea why? Maybe wisp?

[willow vault]

Also ghost typing so avoids fighting type moves and fake out

[fickle spire]

Fair good 1v1 against hands in an endgame

[willow vault]

I think sinistcha is another great trick room setter

It does even better into the hands matchup

[fickle spire]

I've heard the Ultrabeasts won't be back

If they do my boi Staka dirty I'm hiring hitmen

Tera AV Kartana would go crazy

[willow vault]

Oh fair enough, hadn’t heard that

[tough idol]

I do believe they are not returning this Gen

[gloomy crescent]

@tough idol I hope

They return

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I've said this a few times here - so far Ultra Beasts and Tapus are not returning. They are missing from the leaked pokemon dlc list.

We want Tapus, but don't count your chickens yet

[gloomy crescent]

When is sprigatito gonna be good in competitive

[gloomy crescent]

I hope the aura trio and eon duo come back

[lofty tartan]

Meowscarada was good in Regulation A but is wildly outclassed now.

[gloomy crescent]

The legendarys happened

[lofty tartan]

It was outclassed before legendaries

[gloomy crescent]

I just want to see pokemon do this

[lofty tartan]

[lofty tartan]

.... Kaaaaayyyyy....?

[lofty tartan]

[gloomy crescent]

I want dig to come back in violet

[lofty tartan]

Dig, the move?

[gloomy crescent]

Wait is it in?

The move ye

[lofty tartan]

..... It's been in.

It's just not good

[gloomy crescent]

Noooooooooo99

[lofty tartan]

Again Meow was good and no longer is.

I wouldn't call it funny.

[gloomy crescent]

I'm shiny skeledirge more now

That stat boost is insane tho

[lofty tartan]

Stall is also pretty weak in VGC while stronger in singles so it's not like it matters anyway

[gloomy crescent]

Stall in vgc as some pokemon can still hit you

[lofty tartan]

Cool story.

[gloomy crescent]

As you cant stall 2 mons at the same time

Unless both pokemon stall

What I like doing in raids

Is boosting my atk and speed

Then put the sun up

Then use solar blade would that be good in battle

[lofty tartan]

Belly Drum Azu 🤒

[next stump]

bro they need a better system in place for people who timer stall on the bo3 ladder

best of 3

[limpid arrow]

Black ops 3?

[lofty tartan]

💯

[gloomy crescent]

Lol

[next stump]

that sounds like the opposite of fun lol

[dull ibex]

Debatable

[charred saddle]

does the ribbon rank master given to you when the season ends or you just need to get a win in MB and you get it?

[karmic temple]

Win in mb and you get it

[next stump]

what negative priority move does Gyarados learn

[charred saddle]

i have a question, ice shard has +1 prio
so does sucker, but why cant KG hit suckerpunch on Mamoswine?
is it because of oblivion?

[next stump]

what is KG?

kingambit?

[charred saddle]

oh yeah mb, kingambit

[gloomy crescent]

Suckerpunch is one of my least favourite moves

Marnie somehow ohkod my hatterene when it was her 2nd battle with me and my hatterene was level 80

Against marnie

[next stump]

ice shard would move first which would make sucker punch fail

[charred saddle]

so any +1 prio moves will make it fail?

[next stump]

if it’s faster than kingambit, yes

their attack needs to not have gone off yet

[charred saddle]

i see, interesting

why not just make sucker punch +1 from the enemy move

[dapper crag]

Then it would be guaranteed priority with a super large distribution and nullifies ESpeed completely

Sucker Punch is already quite busted in this current iteration

[weary steeple]

Hi everyone! So I want to use competitive milotic

But I don’t know how to properly EV build. How do y’all normally go about that?

Like if I had to guess, figuring out how many EVs I would need to survive x threat from a meta pick would be the move, but I just wanted to hear some wisdom before I did that grind for EVs lol

[dapper crag]

Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Competitive
Level: 50
EVs: 228 HP / 156 Def / 76 SpA / 4 SpD / 44 Spe
Modest Nature

• Scald
• Icy Wind
• Protect
• Hypnosis

This looks to be the most rounded spread. Leans into your tankiness, gives you some speed and some offensive presence.

[weary steeple]

[dull ibex]

ok finally finished finished my team on cart

[abstract coral]

What Pokémon should I shiny hunt for comp shiny hunting is mildly therapeutic to me and I just want recommendations

My two recent are breloom and volcarona. I have some others but these are within the past week

[charred saddle]

flutter is nice

[abstract coral]

I was thinking about that one to do soon. I got breloom recently because I just like watching bullet seed demolish shit

[dull ibex]

based

[dull ibex]

Mane, Moon are easy enough. uh iron hands if possible

[abstract coral]

I got scarlet but I think I might have one that was given to me as a gift

[dull ibex]

I shiny hunted dusclops because I knew I was GOING to make it work

[abstract coral]

I was doing raids and someone just threw a bunch of violet shinies at me

[dull ibex]

I did

[abstract coral]

I’m proud of u I’ve been doing easier ones

[dull ibex]

dusclops was easy to hunt

I did it in pla and transfer it

took an hour?

[abstract coral]

Ohhh yeah makes sense im waiting to transfer my shiny reshiram

I got my volcarona in 20 minutes lmao

But that’s because it’s easy as hell

[dull ibex]

I shiny hunted pult which was simple enough

the semi difficult one was liligant

but thats because reseting outbreaks took for ever

[next stump]

you can check pikalytics and just see what pokémon are commonly used

at least 40-50% are easy shiny hunts

[dapper crag]

Flutter Mane/Iron Hands are super easy to shiny hunt and the best stuff for like 8-9 months at this point

Amoonguss/Rillaboom/Gholdengo are easy to obtain too (Gholdengo a lot of dupes from legit raids are being traded around)

[next stump]

Rillaboom is definitely a step above wild shiny hunts, it takes a decent amount of hours to hit the shiny rate through breeding

but in the grand scheme of possible hunts, it’s not nearly as bad as legendaries

[dapper crag]

Hatching eggs is definitely something a shiny hunter will do at some point though

Don't have the patience for this myself, but some are just doing this non stop lol

[nocturne holly]

bro how tf did chi yu ohko giraffe with one heat wave

[dapper crag]

Strong fish

What's your bulk spread on Fari ? It shouldn't drop normally unless they had favorable conditions

[next stump]

should be impossible if you’re 252HP Farig unless they had sun, tera, or helping hand

[nocturne holly]

im 220 hp 20 sp def

mika gave me the spread

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-1988031519 also
thought i played this pretty well

[next stump]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Heat Wave vs. 220 HP / 20 SpD Farigiraf: 177-208 (79.3 - 93.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[dapper crag]

They had to have some favorable condition, impossible

[nocturne holly]

My teammate was down, so it was a singles calc?

Dk swear it ohkoed and they had nothing

[dapper crag]

Well single target damage is favoring them

It's impossible to kill without anything favoring them

[charred cloud]

Is aqua tauros used at all?

[karmic temple]

Not really since urshifu is a better version

[dapper crag]

You can build with it in mind but it's not seeing much usage. It gets Intimidate

[charred cloud]

Oh I've just been breeding for a shiny and just wanted to know if it was worth holding onto the breedjects for tradin...

[dapper crag]

Not competitively

[charred cloud]

👍gotcha

[mighty stump]

If its single target it does more since spread is 75% damage.

[nocturne holly]

Yea that’s what I’m thinking

@bold geode

Hah you don’t have the role yet

[bold geode]

Fuck you

[mighty stump]

What role

[bold geode]

I was gonna go ahead and apply for self promo

Just cuz

[mighty stump]

Lul

[bold geode]

I need to get a blogpost done first though

[nocturne holly]

I’m gonna downvote the shit out of it

[bold geode]

I'm gonna find your home

And then give you flowers

[nocturne holly]

oh thx

[bold geode]

And then RKO you into the Earth

[nocturne holly]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

no

[bold geode]

Yes

[orchid falcon]

is avalugg good competetivly?

[bold geode]

No

Not even a little bit

[nocturne holly]

lmao

I would sooner commit mass dengocide then use avalugg

[mighty stump]

You’d probably only get mileage out of Iron Defense BPress set

[dull ibex]

Monke: no
Tofu: maybe
Lol

[nocturne holly]

yea fucking skip right over me 🤷‍♂️

[dapper crag]

Nothing like black and white call when there is some hidden potential

Players like using their favorite Mon, don't stomp too too hard pls

[mighty stump]

I mean like

If it gets more people playing comp

And i just give the pros and cons

[dull ibex]

Fair enough I just liked the joke

I should use Pikachu or Raichu

[mighty stump]

I like Pikachu

Maybe I should do a Pikachu team

C O N T E N T

[orchid falcon]

tbh i wanna start playing comp but whats stopping me is the fact that idk how to build teams that well (archtypes, matchups, etc), and i wanna find a mentor or smthing but not like the ones where you gotta pay for sessions, cuz my mom thinks its stupid

[orchid falcon]

i mean moxie boosted is getting honchcrow to top 100, so i bet light ball pikachu would,nt be too bad

[dapper crag]

Use the most meta rental you can find, something really straightforward. Best thing to look out is what they resist in front of you. If they have no switch in to an attacking type you got, that means you can play that card as an agressive wincon pretty consistently.

I always do a quick pass of the enemy team and spot what their lineup is cracked by type-wise.

When in team select

[mighty stump]

Luckily we have VGCguide.com

Once you get past the knowledge hurdle and it clicks VGC is actually really@simple

Don’t get too hung up in like all the labels and archetypes

As later down the line it can feel restrictive in discussion

[orchid falcon]

thx alot @mighty stump and @dapper crag

[gentle crag]

_agent9 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu, jaylsp

[mighty stump]

As mentioned: Use one of those meta rentals, we have a repository

but not even then

Cybertron showcases teams and how to play them all the time

Make it a point to actively understand how the pieces just interact

Even as simple as

“Oh, I click Tailwind to go first for damage”

Or “I redirect to ensure Trick Room”

[dapper crag]

You laugh but that's what I was doing 4 weeks ago lmao

Leading Torn 24/7

[mighty stump]

Cause its these tiny interactions that add up to building your foundational knowledge of how things work

[bold geode]

Bruh like that one team you did with me that just died

[dapper crag]

Turns out nobody until late Ultra Ball was leading something that could pace with Prankster Tailwind

[mighty stump]

? Which one

[dapper crag]

And Flying resistances are, for some reasons, not that common

[bold geode]

Explosion Eleki
Explosion Azelf
Final Gambit Ape

That all somehow fuckin worked a bit

[bold geode]

Me no?

Also where's the VGC stream bitch
Get on your bucket

[mighty stump]

Oh

[dull ibex]

Bro has a whole career copying tofu smh

Chop chop vgc boy is great

[dapper crag]

Isn't VGC just a bunch of new players copying what experienced ones do ? Like that goes for mostly everything right

[dull ibex]

Yes and no

Alot of them also just use story teams

[bold geode]

NUH UH

[bold geode]

Sorta yeah
Like if it ain't broke don't fix it
But straying off the path can sometimes be good

[dull ibex]

I'll be around if we get the bucketeers together

[bold geode]

@mighty stump?

[mighty stump]

I can be for like

10 minutes

Then I got a date to get ready for

[dull ibex]

Fair

[bold geode]

Ok so no

[dull ibex]

I'd be down for 10 minutes lmao

[mighty stump]

Pog

Lesgeddit

CHOP CHOP VGC BOY

[charred saddle]

are u streaming vgc?

[orchid falcon]

btw why did you guys go from shadow wizards to Bucketeers?

like wt is a bucketeer

[bold geode]

Bucket

[orchid falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-a-bucket-team-fortress-tf-gif-15812649

[bold geode]

Bucket

[orchid falcon]

how does one become "bucket"

[bold geode]

The secrets are too crazy for you to know

[orchid falcon]

i am willing to learn thine sacred arts, even if it will kill me

may i become a bucketeer, or am i not fit for this rank?

lol

[molten oasis]

Tr

We’re Bucketeers now

[orchid falcon]

you know what

reject humanity

embrace bucket

[bold geode]

[orchid falcon]

there we go

im now bucket

https://youtu.be/yY-vpxjuZ9E?si=0kkcBBqXMvwk4UNr

[nocturne holly]

Why are you a bucketeer

[molten oasis]

This is a bucket

[nocturne holly]

are you ever gonna get any fucking friends

[molten oasis]

Someone continue it

[orchid falcon]

THE COUNCIL SHALL DECIDE

[molten oasis]

Monke isn’t here

[nocturne holly]

Shut yo bish ass up

[molten oasis]

We cannot decide at this time

[nocturne holly]

yea it started with monke and red

And then tofu

[orchid falcon]

oh yes you are right

[molten oasis]

Yea the usual 4 are Bucketeers and Agent is now one

[nocturne holly]

bro called me irrelevant in every way

[molten oasis]

(The usual 4 are Tofu Monke Red and Drago)

[nocturne holly]

shut up 😤

[molten oasis]

[nocturne holly]

shut up buddy

[orchid falcon]

[molten oasis]

[nocturne holly]

I’m not as active in this server

[molten oasis]

Neither am I

[nocturne holly]

as I used to be

[orchid falcon]

We need to gather the council

then we shall decide

[nocturne holly]

fr I would probably be closer to you guys if I didn’t take that shit long break

[molten oasis]

I’m active if I’m doing vc or I’m reading the goofy shenanigans

[nocturne holly]

Bruh I took a break for a whole reg

[molten oasis]

I take breaks around halfway through a reg usually

I don’t hate reg e, yet, so I haven’t quit

[nocturne holly]

Nah I didn’t pop up in this server for 3-4 months

[molten oasis]

Reg d was insanely boring

[nocturne holly]

OOOHHHH BABY

NEW RANK

[bold geode]

Fuck you

[nocturne holly]

rip

[bold geode]

And saved

[nocturne holly]

I don’t wanna jump onto the bucketeer band wagon

I needa think of smth originals

Anyways this team is fire https://pokepast.es/b62162f29cdb43e2
Btw helping hand over imprison on fari

Forgot to update the paste

[orchid falcon]

we need a buckerteer role

[molten oasis]

Fr fr

[nocturne holly]

no

I’m so bored bruh

I have legit nothing to do

[orchid falcon]

too late i already suggested it

[nocturne holly]

Watch it get denied in a maximum of 4 minutes

[orchid falcon]

if you guys want the bucketeer role to come i think maybe we should ✅ reply it

#1172733819779039263

[stray prism]

do you think "booty" as my trainer name will be eligible for VGC tournament?
First time joining Tournament here

[dapper crag]

Only one way of knowing

[stray prism]

which is..... joining the tournament?

[dapper crag]

Booty is clearly not that bad

[stray prism]

Okk thxxx

[next stump]

I really doubt they wouldn't let you sign up

but also, if you can use a different account, then its better safe than sorry

[dapper crag]

far more offensive names out there

[smoky hawk]

What about Bootyjuice

There's a video where someone tried to say "Beetlejuice" but that's how it came out

[dapper crag]

I'm not an official, all I know is my username is far more offensive then Booty and I'm confident it wouldn't be ban

[weary steeple]

No comments but I just want to run a trick ability shield just once on a slaking wheezing set just to fuck with my opponents

They got a big sexy slaking? Too bad, I want to make sure it keeps it’s beautiful ability

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

I feel like the only one that would actually benefit off that would be like

Grimmsnarl

But you might just never be able to meaningfully use it in other matches

You kinda also expect to see Slaking like

Its like

0.32% of the time

Easily playing 100 games and not see one

[weary steeple]

Look I know it’s super unviable but I think it’s funny lol. Like if I’m Teambuilding for reals here, I’m not gonna do it

Like it’s mostly for a meme build kind of thing

Teambuilding wise, I got a shiny milotic and want to use it so I’d build around that

[dull haven]

Here to say that won't happen, lol

[karmic temple]

T1, they swap to ape, I use icy wind free +2 attack
T2 I go to wisp, they Tera fire

The end I hope you all enjoyed my scary story

[mighty stump]

Turn 3: Its Unaware Dondozo in the back

[orchid falcon]

Turn 4: It wasn't unaware it was commander and they bring in tatsugiri.

also i dont get it

[mighty stump]

Commander is on Tatsu, not Dozo

[nocturne holly]

What is it??

[orchid falcon]

do both pokemons abilities play out if tatsu is in dondozos mouth?

[smoky hawk]

Pikalytics says fluttermanes are usually built 252 252. That's not true, is it?

[smoky hawk]

Yes, dozo keeps its ability

[next stump]

you gotta keep in mind that Pikalytics is pulling info from all elos

with good players, they're usually not running max/max unless that's what they need from their flutter

[smoky hawk]

That's what I thought

[nocturne holly]

Bo3 anyone?

[mighty stump]

Well they do have those elo cutoff points

Its probably also compilation of the likelihood initial 252/252/4

Honestly@majority of players probably don’t calc

[nocturne holly]

Bro the fucking double freeze https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-1988380129

[livid leaf]

Hey guys would anyone have a good recommendation for a Rillaboom in a trick room team?

[dull ibex]

Does finding a stat bump count lol

[next stump]

what’s the rest of the team?

[livid leaf]

F indee, Armarouge, Torkoal

[next stump]

I don’t think Rillaboom fits the team at all IMO, you’d be screwing over your own Psychic Terrain

You also need a way to hit Heatran since Armarouge and Torkoal normally struggle with that

[livid leaf]

Hmm how about amnguus and usraluna

[next stump]

that definitely works

[bold geode]

Yeah
If you're running Psyspam, then you don't really want Rilla
One big part of Psyspam is the Psychic Terrain and having Rilla just doesn't fit
Ursaluna is good for it, Hisuian Lilligant is also good for an alternate mode in Lillikoal, and Amoongus is always annoying when in TR

I wouldn't put Amoongus and Lilligant on the same team, but I'm just giving options so

[livid leaf]

Ah thank you so amoogus and Ursaluna, but what's a solid 6th

[bold geode]

I like Hands

[raw thistle]

+6 252+ SpA Alakazam-Mega Psychic vs. 252 HP / 236+ SpD Eternatus-Eternamax: 582-686 (81.5 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

least bulky mon in gen 10

this is a supereffective hit btw

[bold geode]

?

[livid leaf]

I catch them in ranked on the daily 😞

Assault vest hands it iz

[mighty stump]

I mean if you want a TR Rillaboom team

Farigiraf

[molten oasis]

Tr rilla is weird

Like, just use hands lol

[gloomy crescent]

is it smart to use burning jealousy on a spiritomb when it's fighting the dondozo thing because it gets stat boosts it transfers from dondozo to tatsu

This is Leafy BTW

[next stump]

many better ways to deal with it

[gloomy crescent]

Can you help

It has to be a ghost type

[next stump]

sableye prankster will-o-wisp

and encore

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 302: Sableye

Types

Dark/Ghost

Abilities

Keen Eye, Stall, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/75/75/65/65/50

Total

380

Other Formes

Sableye-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.24.2

[gloomy crescent]

Nvm

Is this ev spread and moveset good if not can you help fix them

https://pokepast.es/5bb78d4a0ea3c93b

[karmic temple]

Indeedee you should invest more evs into defense rather than speed since 3/4 of your moves are priority

Amoongus should have rage powder instead of energy ball and me personally would invest into some defense as well

[dull ibex]

hello friends and others

[gloomy crescent]

Hai red

[dull ibex]

hello

[gloomy crescent]

Do you like my new pfp and pfp background? @dull ibex

[dull ibex]

yes? i guess

[molten oasis]

I found an all eeveevolution team on bo1 ladder today

[dull ibex]

lol

[gloomy crescent]

Probably my Bf

[molten oasis]

They had Umbreon Espeon Flareon Leafeon Sylveon and Jolteon

[gloomy crescent]

Probably not then

[molten oasis]

Lol ok, it was still weird

[gloomy crescent]

He likes vaporeon and he would have glaceon

[mighty stump]

...You have a boyfriend? and hes using a full Eeveelution team on ladder?

[molten oasis]

I have the replay too

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-1988488049

[gloomy crescent]

Ye

[nocturne holly]

You def got swept by it

[molten oasis]

I posted the replay

[nocturne holly]

How much longer is the reg? Until the end of December right

[molten oasis]

No I didn’t lol

[nocturne holly]

def got swept

🧹

[molten oasis]

[nocturne holly]

jk you did an awesome job 👍😊

I’m thinking of getting my team into cart soon

[molten oasis]

I’m making mine a rental

Eventually

[gloomy crescent]

January first

1st

[nocturne holly]

Same

[dapper crag]

Starts with Big ends with a capital letter and it's in japanese

I'll leave some mystery to keep it away from NSFW

[karmic temple]

Not the yuyu hakusho live action coming out same day as indigo disk 😭

[willow vault]

Hello

[dapper crag]

Hello

[willow vault]

You doing good

I need an idea, can someone name a Pokémon that can work in vgc but doesn’t see much play?

[molten oasis]

Galarian Moltres

[willow vault]

Alright thanks

[gentle crag]

crephace has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[next stump]

Mimikyu

[willow vault]

I’m already calcing that funnily enough

[mighty stump]

What did Spicy do to you tf

[willow vault]

I’m just theory crafting, I like building concepts for teams more than playing vgc weirdly

[molten oasis]

That was the first thing that popped in my head

I almost said galarian Zapdos

But idk how good it is

Cool typing and defiant is cool

[willow vault]

Already theory crafted it, it’s ok. It just doesn’t provide enough additional value that you can’t get from something else

[molten oasis]

Makes sense

[dapper crag]

Galarian Moltres is sleeper OP right now

[molten oasis]

Tofu I’ve played with goltres

I did for like a week, I just like dengo more rn

and I did a screens team with the kommo-o rentals

That I haven’t touched in a while

I would change a lot on that team

Harc would get wisp and protect, oger would be dropped for Milo

Otherwise team is pretty good

[nocturne holly]

how’s everyone doing

time for some showdown climbing

[willow vault]

I’m doing pretty great

[molten oasis]

I’m tired

[willow vault]

Why?

[nocturne holly]

🥱🥱

you rn

[molten oasis]

5 hours of sleep

[willow vault]

Get better sleep schedule

[nocturne holly]

I’m feeling kind of downtrotted

[molten oasis]

I’m literally trying

It’s hard to change a sleep schedule

I’m also adjusting to working again

[willow vault]

Why downtrodden?

[dapper crag]

takes a week to fix a sleep schedule roughly

[nocturne holly]

I’m really bored

[willow vault]

Alright fair enough

[nocturne holly]

Like I honestly have nothing going on in my life rn

Weekends are hell

[molten oasis]

Cigar

[willow vault]

Oh, that doesn’t sound great

[molten oasis]

Enjoy high school, being an adult SUCKS

[willow vault]

It kinda does