#Hell

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acoustic adder
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i can probably help

heady hull
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yes please

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i’ll accept any help i can get

acoustic adder
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okay but why are you worried about hell?

heady hull
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well the fear came out of nowhere

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i’m just scared about going there

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and never escaping

acoustic adder
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well hell is a very real place and there is a way to escape hell and that’s by turning to Jesus Christ

quiet carbon
heady hull
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exactly

heady hull
acoustic adder
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sorry i apologize

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but do u believe in god and ever tried to read the bible?

quiet carbon
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It has very dry prose.

heady hull
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no i haven’t because it scares me

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i’ve read like bits online

acoustic adder
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why does it scare you?

heady hull
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because i don’t even know which one to read there’s hundreds

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i dotn even want to

acoustic adder
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the book of john is a good start

heady hull
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i want to live my life as normal and be happy

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without all this crap

acoustic adder
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you can if you’d like but then you’d have to live with the consequences after

heady hull
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isn’t god aware we make mistakes though

acoustic adder
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he is aware and he forgives us

heady hull
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we aren’t perfect he knows that

acoustic adder
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only he is yes

heady hull
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so if he forgives us why do we get sent to such a horrible place

acoustic adder
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because we sin against god

heady hull
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no one wants to go there

acoustic adder
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we go against his word and we don’t feel guilt

heady hull
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is god seriously that angry though…

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well i feel guilty if i 100% know its wrong

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i don’t know though

acoustic adder
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he’s not angry because anger is a sin but there’s different types of anger so yes he could be

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repenting

heady hull
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i thought anger was a sin tho..

acoustic adder
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it is

heady hull
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it doesn’t matter what type of anger it is then??

acoustic adder
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but not all anger is a sin

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it does

heady hull
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how do you know

acoustic adder
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the bible says so and christian youtubers say so

quiet carbon
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If a YouTuber said it, it must be true.

heady hull
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there’s hundreds of bibles though

acoustic adder
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because there’s different versions but they’re all the same

heady hull
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how if some contradict

acoustic adder
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how do some contradict?

heady hull
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well aren’t there two different stories of Judas death?

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in two different places

acoustic adder
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no just 1

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he hung himself because he felt regret for betraying Jesus

heady hull
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what about the one where he slipped and fell on a rock

acoustic adder
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no i think that one suggests his body fell and burst opened which is basically decomposition after he hung himself

heady hull
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you think but you don’t know that’s my point

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i can’t just believe in something if it’s all about thoughts not truth

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i don’t know what’s real and what’s not anymore

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i’m going insane

acoustic adder
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the bible says Jesus is the way the truth and the life

heady hull
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but you don’t even know what happened

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you said you think

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it could be anything

acoustic adder
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i know i don’t know what happened but the bible says that so i’m going by what the bible says

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and that’s obviously what happened because it says judas hanged himself

heady hull
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is that what the bible says or are you just interpreting it how you think

acoustic adder
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that’s what it says

heady hull
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but you say it’s obvious and to someone else it might not be

acoustic adder
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how might it not be obvious?

heady hull
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well i spoke to someone else and they said to them it seemed like a completely different story

acoustic adder
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well to them it may seem like a different story but Matthew 27:5 says “And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.” and the bible is the truth therefore judas hung himself and his body decomposed after

heady hull
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i don’t see why it can’t just be way more obvious to people

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if i could understand it all properly id be fine

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if God wants that for me why doesn’t he help me

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i dotn feel like i’m getting any help

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i’ve prayed

acoustic adder
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because u haven’t reached out for help

heady hull
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i’ve asked

acoustic adder
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prayed?

heady hull
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i have nothing

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well yea

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i asked for help with it all cuz i’m so scared

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more than once

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i even went to a church and then left because my partner broke up with me

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none of it helped me

acoustic adder
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it did help

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god helped

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because

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if god takes someone from ur life partner friend whatever it’s because they’re not getting u closer to him

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god took away my gf

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a week ago

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i understood she wasn’t the one even if she seemed like it

heady hull
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i understand that now too

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but i still feel like im getting no help

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i’ve been anxious about this for months

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no help with that

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just my girlfriend leaving me which makes it worse

acoustic adder
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i understand we’re all going through tough times and keep praying and try reading the bible

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he hears you praying

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the bible says cast all your worries onto him for he cares for you

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it says the same about sadness anxiety and depression

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and it says he is close to the brokenhearted

heady hull
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i see what you mean but i can’t just cast worries onto him

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i’m trans too

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that’s a sin

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it’s who i am

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i can’t help that

quiet carbon
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Being who you want to be is not a sin.

heady hull
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i thought being transgender was a sin

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and being gay

acoustic adder
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its not but being trans is

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that is

heady hull
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i am trans

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it’s who i am

acoustic adder
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and thats a sin and being gay is also a sin it comes from the devil not from god

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the bible says that

heady hull
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can i ask where

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also i thought it was a mistranslation

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because man and man is two different words

quiet carbon
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This universe is comprised of trillions of galaxies. Its scale is something no human can truly comprehend. If you think God cares about what happens on this planet - this speck of dust on the cosmic platform - you're misled.

If God created all, I'm fairly sure he has bigger fish to fry. He wouldn't care about you changing your gender.

Be who you want to be, Wren. Don't let anyone change who you are.

acoustic adder
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he does care about you changing ur gender he is all knowing and knows everyone and what we do before we do it he’s seen our past present and future and he cares about every single one of us

heady hull
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i see where ur both coming from

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see what i mean i can’t choose

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i can’t decide

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nothing helps me

quiet carbon
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A good rule of thumb is to choose what your heart yearns for. Decide purely on what makes you happier.

heady hull
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i know that ??? will say no do what God says

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so i cant win

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i’ll never be happy if i do what God says

acoustic adder
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well you can choose whatever you’d like god gave you free will but if you choose god that’s great but if not then not i choose God and i feel better than ever but that’s my opinion urs may be different but the only way from the lake of fire is by turning to God

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god will give you endless joy in heaven the bible says

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and on earth

heady hull
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well there’s been lots of people who have said otherwise

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and left the faith because of that

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and they haven’t been happy all their life

acoustic adder
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being a christian doesn’t mean everythings gonna be happy and easy

quiet carbon
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You don't need to adhere to what I say or the thirteen year old zealot says.

Your life is what you make of it. Be trans. Be wonderful. No one can give you a definitive answer. I believe in higher powers, but the bible doesn't hold the answers. Least of all, answers for a happy existence.

Again, choose what makes you happy. That's all I can suggest.

acoustic adder
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then they chose separation from God that’s their decision they can live life now and suffer later or suffer now and enjoy later

heady hull
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i thought god said he would give happiness on earth

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he didn’t though

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that’s why they left

acoustic adder
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did he say when?

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and he has

heady hull
heady hull
acoustic adder
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if they prayed for themselves obviously not if they were a lukewarm obviously not

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praying isn’t just asking god for things

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it’s thanking him for what he’s given you and praising him

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it’s not always about praying for own needs

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it’s also thanking god for everything he’s done and provides

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even waking up

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u never know

heady hull
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i’m so stressed out that i don’t have anyone to thank

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i wake up be stressed look online and sleep

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that’s it

acoustic adder
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but u woke up today right?

heady hull
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i wish i didn’t

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my life is that negative

acoustic adder
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so is mine

heady hull
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so God isn’t helping you either then really

acoustic adder
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im 14 yet i’ve tried to kill myself on multiple occasions

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doesn’t matter

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if he is or isn’t i still love God and wanna live a life for him and he definitely has i just don’t realize

heady hull
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i understand your point but if you can’t see it then maybe it’s not working

acoustic adder
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it does work but god works in mysterious ways

heady hull
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i’m sorry that you’ve tried doing that it’s awful

acoustic adder
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it’s okay

heady hull
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surely God would help you see it in a way that you can understand though

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it would make it easier

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rather than giving you unnecessary suffering

acoustic adder
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he’s not giving me that

heady hull
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he can make it all better so easily but he choose not to

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i think it’s unnecessary

acoustic adder
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it’s the devil that does that

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god only wants good for me

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the devil wants the worst

heady hull
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god made the devil

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he knew what he was capable of

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he’s all knowing

acoustic adder
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and ur correct he is all knowing but god is much stronger and powerful than the devil

heady hull
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so why doesn’t he get rid of him

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i know you’ll say free will

acoustic adder
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because it’s not time for the rapture

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and he’s waiting for us

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God is waiting for us thats why

heady hull
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but again God made the devil if he knew that he’d do all this bad stuff to people

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and he doesn’t want people to go to hell

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why’d he make the devil

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i don’t see that as loving

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maybe to the devil but not to me

acoustic adder
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he loves everyone equally

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and he hasn’t defeated the devil because he’s waiting for us

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and the rapture

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the bible says the path to heaven is narrow and few will find it

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so that means most people will end up in hell than heaven

heady hull
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but again my point stands indicating if God wants everyone to go to heaven and he knew the devil would stop people

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why’d he even make him

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he could’ve made him elsewhere

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and changed the rules

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for jim

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him

acoustic adder
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because he was originally good to god

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until he had pride and tried to take over

heady hull
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but god knew he’d rebel anyway

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he knew that and made him anyway

acoustic adder
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and he made us the same way

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we’re just like the devil we go against God

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yet we don’t ask ourselves that?

heady hull
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but again the devil controls us

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so how are we just as bad

acoustic adder
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because people let him

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resent the devil

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turn to god

heady hull
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if i knew for a fact then would

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i would*

acoustic adder
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and u did let him

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we’re all like judas we turned against god

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yet he still loves us

heady hull
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i want to enjoy what i want to enjoy

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i want to watch what i wanna watch on TV

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i can’t do that if i turn to god

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i have no life

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i built my life without knowing any of this

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also what happens in terms of people who have never heard of God

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they go to hell too?

acoustic adder
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he reveals himself to people in dreams in visions

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i’m not sure only god knows

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and go ahead u can live ur life and do whatever

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God isn’t gonna force u to love him he can’t he gave u free will

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ur choice is ur choice

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if ur afraid of going to hell but dont wanna turn to god to get out of there then don’t

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that’s ur life

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and don’t think i can pray and turn to him at the end to go to heaven

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no because that’s blasphemy which is the one sin God won’t forgive which is rejecting the holy spirit until death

heady hull
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it says in the bible though that everyone is destined to hell right?

acoustic adder
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yes and the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ because we’re all dirty sinners i’m no different than you

heady hull
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so again the ONLY way is through him yes?

acoustic adder
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yes which is reading the bible praying being a christian going to church and all that and the bible states that’s the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ

heady hull
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what about the people who never heard about him they’re just like us

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that’s not fair is it?

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how’s that just?

acoustic adder
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of course it’s not and god understands

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i’m not sure because i’m not God

heady hull
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i just think the whole argument falls apart then

acoustic adder
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it’s Gods decision not mine

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it doesn’t

heady hull
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they’ll never know about God and Jesus

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we know that

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they’re the same as us

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so they’ll just go there

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no choice

acoustic adder
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unless you turn to Jesus Christ and he reveals himself in dreams visions and even speaks so everyone will know about Jesus Christ the decision is will they follow him or not?

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that’s their decision u pick ur lifestyle i pick mine

heady hull
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some people never dream about him

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some people don’t know any better

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especially with people who live on islands far far away

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like idk north sentinel island for example

acoustic adder
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exactly and thats why we’re called to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ

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without spreading the gospel no one will know

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that’s what we’re called to do

heady hull
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but i thought God was all powerful so why can’t he help those people

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the people on north sentinel island don’t know about it

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same with all these past people in history

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ancient people mind never heard about him

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cuz he didn’t exist yet

acoustic adder
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but what if they do how are u certain that they do or don’t what if one of them had a dream about Jesus Christ?

heady hull
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some people don’t dream

acoustic adder
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visions

heady hull
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all of these people in history who have never heard of him that sounds a bit far fetched

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btw i’m not arguing so i hope u don’t think i am

acoustic adder
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i don’t think that

heady hull
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ok good :)

acoustic adder
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and they could be in heaven i’m not sure

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it’s Gods decision

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he forgave judas so who knows maybe he forgave them too

heady hull
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i thought the only way was through jesus though

acoustic adder
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and the 2 other people that were on the crosses next to him he forgave them too

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it is

heady hull
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did judas ever hear about jesus

acoustic adder
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but also through his grace and mercy

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yes he was alive when Jesus was

heady hull
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ah

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right ok

acoustic adder
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and adam and eve

heady hull
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how?

acoustic adder
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they went against god and ate the apple

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the snake was satan

heady hull
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ah here’s a thing about that

acoustic adder
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and god forgave the 2 people on earth he created and now they’re in heaven with him

heady hull
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so the sun and the moon

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he made two lights

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greater and lesser

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moon to rule the night and sun to rule the day

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and he made the stars also

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would you agree with that

acoustic adder
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yes because he was before everything he is the beginning and the end

heady hull
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so would you say that was his plan

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he made those two lights for that reason

acoustic adder
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i’d say so because the bible days everything happens for a reason

heady hull
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so

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satan was in the garden

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then got banished to earth

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when was adam and eve made

acoustic adder
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in heaven then got banished yes

heady hull
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before or after

acoustic adder
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they were made before

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god made the earth and the people

heady hull
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right so

acoustic adder
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and angels

heady hull
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if that’s the case

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why does the moon not shine at night sometimes

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same goes with when the moon never appears at night

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that’s not stated in the bible at all

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there’s no way anything could’ve messed with it or anything

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gods plan was to keep those lights with that function

acoustic adder
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exactly it was made like that for a reason and only God knows that reason

heady hull
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but gods plan was that

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so why would he change his plan

acoustic adder
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God has never changed his plan

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Gods mind and thinking surpasses our knowledge of things

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only he knows that and why

heady hull
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so again

acoustic adder
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But God has never ever changed his plans in any way because Gods plans are perfect

heady hull
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if nothing could’ve messed with the moon

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and gods plan was to make the moon rule the night

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and the sun

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the day

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that makes no sense

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god doesn’t change his plan

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nothing could’ve messed with it

acoustic adder
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because our minds can’t comprehend that like i said God created these things for a reason only God knows and he made it that way for he knows what’s best

heady hull
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but again that was his plan

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he doesn’t change his plan

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his plan changed

acoustic adder
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exactly

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how?

heady hull
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because the moon doesn’t rule the night sometimes

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it’s never even there sometimes

acoustic adder
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and the reason it doesn’t is because God made it that way and u might say why and idk why but God knows why and only he knows

heady hull
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my point is god said his plan was the sun rules the day and the moon the night

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now we know that’s not the case

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so he changed his plan

acoustic adder
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that doesn’t mean he changed his plans and the moon has phases where it only shows a certain part at times or sometimes the moon is just completely dark just because one was supposed to run the day and one was supposed to run the night doesn’t mean the moon can’t rule at night sometimes it was made like that for a reason and only God knows that reason he made the moon rule like that

heady hull
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i see what you mean

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and i get what you mean with the phases

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but

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sometimes the moon isn’t ever

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at night

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like some nights it’s just never there

acoustic adder
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and i get that i’ve seen that too but God did that for a reason maybe something happens to it during that time because it happens for a reason maybe it’s because of a phase or something and i’m not sure why that happens

heady hull
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i do get what u mean i do

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but again if it’s not there

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and god said that was his plan

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you see the clear contradiction i’m seieng

acoustic adder
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i do and it is i’m just not sure why it isn’t there but sometimes there’s more to something than what someone says so God did that for a reason maybe he didn’t say why i’m just not sure but he made it like that for a reason

heady hull
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see what i mean though, God didn’t say or make it clear

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what he did say if the moon rules the night

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but we know it doesn’t

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so doesn’t that make God a liar?

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not saying he is

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but to me that makes sense

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what i’m saying is we should take the bible as absolute truth

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but we know the moon doesn’t work how God says it does

acoustic adder
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he isn’t a liar and exactly because we can’t comprehend what God knows for he is all knowing and it does rule the night maybe not all the time but it does and the bible is the truth that’s correct and exactly

heady hull
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i see what you’re saying

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but God says it rules the night

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but sometimes it doesn’t

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so how can it rule if it’s not there

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this same kinda thing works with flat earth. The earth isn’t flat we know that so why does the bible say otherwise

acoustic adder
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exactly but it does rule the night because keep in mind it also orbits the earth do there’s factors like that that’ll make it not always visible because of phases and it orbiting around the earth and can be hard to see at times

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the bible says otherwise because God created it round and there’s tons of evidence to prove it’s round even though flat earthers tried to prove it wrong they were proven wrong and found out that the earth is round not flat

heady hull
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i mean in regards to flat earthed

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earthers

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they just say

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maps

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the four corner of the earth

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indicating maps

acoustic adder
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and i get that but it’s wrong and the earth is round and there’s proof that proves it isn’t flat

heady hull
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doesn’t the bible say the four corners of the earth though

acoustic adder
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it does but it refers to the farthest reaches of the earth and or all parts of the earth

heady hull
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i dont undertsand that

acoustic adder
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it’s basically referring to North, South, East, and West

heady hull
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but there’s no specific place for those

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they’re directions

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not places

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they aren’t actually corners

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they’re direvtions

acoustic adder
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yeah but it also says all parts of the world or everywhere

heady hull
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can you explain that?

acoustic adder
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so it’s talking about the furthest points of the earth which is used to represent a global scope of God’s plan and hopes of a new creation like before Jesus was alive his mother Mary seen an angel which is one of the furthest points of the earth because mary seen an angel and at the time no one seen an angel at that time or when John seen the angels basically talking about everything Gods done and purposes for things and people will be fulfilled

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it’s a bit complicated

heady hull
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it’s very complicated

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but yea i’m just saying like

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the furthest points of the earth

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there isn’t any

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it’s round

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yk

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it’s so complex

acoustic adder
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not really complex but yea anyways i’m not sure if ur still scared about going to hell try praying and reading the bible if not you do you

heady hull
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i don’t know what to do

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should i maybe just wait

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see if i get any help from God

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i don’t know what to believe so i don’t know what to get help from but im open to it!

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i don’t feel as if it’s right that i should feel bad about living my life as i am now

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i do pray sometimes and i do genuinely want a relationship with God if he is real

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mainly for the reason of hell

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but also

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he made the world

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there’s parts i love about the word

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world

acoustic adder
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he’s very much real i can promise that and true but also u should do it because u genuinely love him and wanna start a relationship with God

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that’s good u love parts about the world

heady hull
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i love nature yes

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i love animals

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i love caring for my moss balls

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they’re adorable

acoustic adder
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That’s good u love those things

heady hull
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yea as long as they’re not sins

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i’m very very attached to nature

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but then nature won’t exist in heaven

acoustic adder
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nature won’t but animals will

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and i dont think they are sins

heady hull
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well

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i mean i’m very very attached to animals

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i couldn’t live without them

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they’re a big part of my love and happiness

acoustic adder
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that’s good they mean that much to u and all animals do go to heaven too

heady hull
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well i’m glad

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humans are animals too

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and i believe they deserve to go to heaven too

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i believe no matter what everyone should be forgiven

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i know that may seem improbable to u

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but it would make life so much easier to get through

acoustic adder
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it doesn’t but everyone is forgiven we just have to follow God and i understand

final knoll
heady hull
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because it’s a horrible place

final knoll
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yes but why would YOU go to it?

heady hull
heady hull
final knoll
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so then why would you worry about going to a place you believe is fictional?

acoustic adder
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Jesus and God are the same person btw

heady hull
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acoustic adder
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alr good just checking

final knoll
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whoever said that non believers will go to hell are lying, if you live a good, peaceful life, keep to your morals and be the best person you can be youll be fine

acoustic adder
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no offense but that’s not true

final knoll
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religion is a personal journey everyone chooses

acoustic adder
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i know that but non believers do go to hell

final knoll
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and who said that?

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did god come down to earth and tell us himself?

acoustic adder
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the bible

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technically yes

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back in biblical times

final knoll
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the bible is a text written by man, and are subject to the same bias

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which makes even more sense considering the dark history of the catholic church

heady hull
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i am reading by the way a i’m going along curious

final knoll
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no god would subjugate his own creations

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free will was given to us for a reason

acoustic adder
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but how do you know that?

heady hull
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i don’t have much of an educated stance so

acoustic adder
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By God

final knoll
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but he is

acoustic adder
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he is all loving but that doesn’t mean non believers go to heaven

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we’re all sinners that are already going to hell

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he saves us from that

final knoll
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why would a non believer, go to a place absent of gods love if he still followed gods word

acoustic adder
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because God says the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ for he is the way the truth and the life

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the bible says so as well

final knoll
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god is not an allmighty lord in the sky which will banish to you to hell, it is a misconception

final knoll
acoustic adder
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it isn’t

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exactly

final knoll
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but you misunderstand what that means

acoustic adder
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so how will non believers go to heaven if they don’t believe in Jesus Christ?

final knoll
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that does not mean that you say "jesus i repent save me" and all your sins are cleansed and you go to heaven

acoustic adder
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you have to live a life for him

final knoll
acoustic adder
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exactly

final knoll
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not by praying to a bunch of old men in fancy robes claiming they speak for god

acoustic adder
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u need to pray to God and only God

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or Jesus Christ

final knoll
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not by reciting words, because god speaks through the heart, and knows your heart, and your true intentions before you say it

acoustic adder
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and i know that

final knoll
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and living a good life IS repenting, knowing that we as a species are inherently evil IS repenting

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so you do not need to "believe" in god, you need to believe in good morals

acoustic adder
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yes u do

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u have to believe in God

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the bible says so

heady hull
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i believe it actually does say that tbf

final knoll
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🤦

heady hull
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i’m not well educated tho so please don’t come at me haha

acoustic adder
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it’s okay

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but u have to believe in God

final knoll
heady hull
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i’ll just sit back and look at what’s being said

final knoll
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the catholic church are people, people have bias, thus the bible is not a credible source

heady hull
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that’s interesting i mean the bible would’ve had to be written at some point

final knoll
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exactly

acoustic adder
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the bible is a credible source

final knoll
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not really, it contradicts itself a lot, gods word does lie in there, but it is mixed with red herrings

acoustic adder
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no it doesn’t

final knoll
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its strewn with biases of the catholic church trying to dictate the lives of people to gain control

acoustic adder
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God never lies and if he did that would make the bible completely false but he’s never lied

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therefore making the bible the truth

final knoll
final knoll
acoustic adder
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i know they aren’t written by God but how are you sure they were edited by the church?

final knoll
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because it perfectly correlates with the history of the catholic church, and contradicts the nature of an omnibenevolent God

acoustic adder
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wait wait are we talking about catholics or christianity?

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just to make sure

final knoll
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catholicism is the predominant denomination of christianity

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the vatican is the christian capital, owned by the catholic church

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all the main dominations of christianity operate similarly

heady hull
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btw i’m just saying i know you’re both not but please don’t argue at all here :) one person here is quite young haha

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i see both points btw

final knoll
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we're not arguing lol

acoustic adder
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fr

heady hull
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no no i know!!!

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i’m just saying :)

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continue :)