I want to follow my passion but my family won't let me

[flat tree]

Do you have any backup plans for a career in case this doesn’t work?

[blissful verge]

yes animation and they don't support that as well

[flat tree]

That’s also a pretty niche occupation

I was thinking like doctor, carpenter, police officer

[blissful verge]

nah i don't wanna do those(i would say doctor but i didn't get enough percentage to take biology)

[flat tree]

Are you sure you aren’t addicted to video games? Would you have been able to get a better percentage if you dropped games to focus on your schooling?

[blissful verge]

no i am not addicted and i woundn't have been able to get the percentage better even if i would drop gaming coz i was bad at studies even before i was into gaming

[flat tree]

Well you seem addicted to me, and there’s no shame in that but if you are, you have to acknowledge it

Professional gaming isn’t something someone can just do either

It’s not a stable career

I’m not telling you to give it up but you should have a couple solid alternatives

[blissful verge]

not if you are a god in gaming like if you retire you can do streaming,coach,even busnees with the money you earned in gaming

[blissful verge]

you wondn't have been saying this if i was addicted to soccer or chess

[flat tree]

No I definitely would

It’s no different

It’s just gaming that much is bad for you whereas soccer is good for you

[blissful verge]

well both are games

both are hobbies

gaming requires skills like reflexes,hand eye coordination,critical thinking,teamwork and gaming inproves while gray matter of brain(which is important of learning things)

[runic bronze]

Gaming is not a stable or solid carreer choice.

Soccer is a completely different beast. Its nowhere near as niche and even lower league players can earn a decent amount of money, and the health benefits of soccer will transfer to other occupations. Any skill you might have as a gamer dont transfer anywhere

Its a very poor choice to put all your effort in. Id advise finding a stable carreer first and then pursuing gaming.

[flat tree]

so many other things improve that, its not unique to gaming

but do you think sitting on your ass staring at a screen all day is good for you?

[runic bronze]

You can achieve better results through many otger hobbies and careers

Instruments, sports, weightlifting, hiking, art or any sort of trade skill

[blissful verge]

Chess players do te same

[runic bronze]

And chess is also not a career i would suggest.

[flat tree]

i’m not saying chess is a good career path either

there’s a reason the amount of people successful in gaming is so small relatively

how many “professional gamers” are there compared to plumbers or carpenters

[runic bronze]

Even if you look at aoccer or basketball or even golf.

The amount of successful people ia miniscule

[blissful verge]

@runic bronze

Loomat the problem instead of arguing

[runic bronze]

I dont want to crush your dreams and put you down. I hope you succeed and become the best at it. But its not realistic to pursue it

[flat tree]

also how will your grade 12 year be “a waste” @blissful verge

[blissful verge]

I didn't say it will be a waste I meant if I don't play games in that year I will be waste for my gaming career

[runic bronze]

@blissful verge focus on your studies. If you get good grades you will have every single path open to you.

[flat tree]

^

if you really want to play video games for a living, start doing that after you get a sustainable job

preferably unionized lmao

[blissful verge]

But I will be too late to get into esports coz your reflexes dicreases with age and there will be many young talents whose reflexes will be much better and teams will prefers them compared to older players so I wanna get in esports before I am 25

[flat tree]

jesus christ man you’re not gonna be a relic at 25

there’s people million times faster who are like 40

[runic bronze]

Take it from me. I want to start a band, be a musician. But i still put a sustainable career first.

Having a job will provide you with the money you need to pursue your passion.

[flat tree]

and if/when gaming fails because it’s a shitty industry

what are you gonna do

[blissful verge]

Compare reflexes of showing vs drx stax

[flat tree]

idk what that means

[blissful verge]

Both are players

[runic bronze]

Try picking up other hobbies as well, weightlifting, chess, music hell if you like games so much maybe you could be a developer

[flat tree]

dont you think its because they’re different people with different training regimes, genetics, and experience?

not because one is “old”

[runic bronze]

Most of the best tekken players in the world are past their 30s man. Age doesnt matter that much if you keep your mind sharp

[blissful verge]

Die huh really it's 25 billion dollar industry and it makes more money ten movies,sports,music combined and it's recent added to asian games

[runic bronze]

Gaming is a mental sport more akin to chess rather than a physical sport, but physical health is important to keep a sharp mind. Id advise you to try picking up some sport

Running, hiking, anything really

[blissful verge]

Takken is a fighting game and te game I play is valorant and plus you try must be already famous in eaports so they are in but if you wanna enter in that age not a chance

[flat tree]

i dont really give a shit, you’re ignoring the main issue

[blissful verge]

You started it first

[runic bronze]

Doesnt matter what age you are. If youre good enough to win youll win

[blissful verge]

Why chess you said it's similar to gaming

[runic bronze]

Tekken and Valorant, while being different genres, still require the same set of skills to be successful

[blissful verge]

And I play soccer

[runic bronze]

Cause its fun. Diversify your portfolio. Dont be a one trick pony

[runic bronze]

Thats great! Keep it up!

[blissful verge]

Both require different skills valorant is a tactical shooter takken is a fighting game

[runic bronze]

They require reflexes, game knowledge, fast and precise inputs and quick thinking skills

[blissful verge]

Which is rare if you wanna enter gaming industry if you are 30

[blissful verge]

If there is a chess player will you say that to bim

[runic bronze]

Its rare because most people past 30 are not interested in becoming pro gamers. Not because they cannot

[runic bronze]

Yes. I would. If they drop out of school to play chess and nothing else.

[blissful verge]

An average esports fan age is from 16 to 34

[blissful verge]

Nah I meant like you said it to me like Try picking up other hobbies as well, weightlifting, , music

[runic bronze]

Well, assuming you drop out of school to pursue a gaming career and you cant. What then? What will you do then?

[blissful verge]

Will you say tat to a chess player

[runic bronze]

Thats advice id give to everyone. Literally everyone

[blissful verge]

Get a part time job for money till I make a career in gaming

[runic bronze]

If someone wanted to be a professional bodybuilder, id tell them to still keep up with other hobbies, because one day they might suffer an injury that stops them completely

[blissful verge]

I mean will you recommend gaming to a chess player

[runic bronze]

These are very niche careers that realistically only an incredibly small part of the populace can be successful in.

[runic bronze]

Yeah. Most obvious thing to recommend to them. Though i would probably recommend them first to try some sport

[flat tree]

no get a real career first

[blissful verge]

I see good I would be pissed of if you would have said no

[blissful verge]

I am not talking to you coz @runic bronze is giving me better advice

[flat tree]

“better advice” i’m telling you the same shit

[runic bronze]

Hes giving you the same advice as me. Im just elaborating more.

[flat tree]

i just don’t word it in as nice of a way

[blissful verge]

Ok

[runic bronze]

Im done talking since i have nothing more to say. Hope you take my advice. Wish you the best of luck regardless

[blissful verge]

I meant @runic bronze understand gaming more then you do @flat tree

[flat tree]

i used to be a video game addict too

[blissful verge]

Not all gamers are addicts

[flat tree]

i didnt say that

but i can infer that you are

[blissful verge]

I am not since I would only consider a addict if a particular thing is one in his mind 24/7 which is not te case with me I am more of a movie addict lol

[flat tree]

thats a terrible criteria for addiction

try this instead

[round python]

I think it's really cool that you want to become a pro gamer, in fact I want to be a twitch streamer when I grow up!

I convinced my parents when I said I'd take english or psychology in college and try to get a stable job. Do you have a back up job in mind?

[blissful verge]

vfx artist

[round python]

thats really cool, are your parents okay with that job?

[blissful verge]

nah

tehy don't support me in taht either

[lost kiln]

ok, lets look at both os the stories. I do think that being a pro gamer isn't a very sought after job, but the skill needed isn't too good. I've been through gaming addiction myself, so I would think maybe try not making it your life, just your occupation.

But still, you do you

[blissful verge]

if you think the skills needed are easy then why don't you go to leauge of legends world championship or dota to the International both or them have prize money of 45 million dollers it would be easy money for you

[lost kiln]

but even then...what does gaming help the world??

[blissful verge]

Entertainment and What does chess help the world both are games

[gilded badger]

why would you think that? a passion is something they enjoy or like doing like a hobby but instead they feel more connected to it

[blissful verge]

Yes

[blissful verge]

np

it is

i mean esports player might not be but a youtuber is

its not a waste of time as long as you have fun

[midnight ravine]

ChopSuey#2056 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[runic bronze]

Absolutely not

Becoming a successful youtuber relies on getting lucky enough to grow a fanbase (entirely dependant on luck, does not matter how good you are) and it's very possible to suddenly lose your entire following

online content creation is the single worst carreer you could pick.

[blissful verge]

In anything right

[runic bronze]

Yes.

[gilded badger]

It is..but i will be honest it is a stable career but not forever or not for too long cause the channel could slowly die cause in this community just one small mistake and your career could get ruined

[blissful verge]

ajust like ninja

[celest flax]

I honestly think that youtube alone is definitely not a stable career. YouTubers can make anywhere between $0.01 to $0.03 per view with AdSense, with an average of $0.18 per view. That means. 1000 views could maybe pay some rent.

0.25% of all YouTube channels are making money. That’s not a lot. I would really really consider having a backup job that doesn't include online, or even if it does, something that will officially get you employed.

Again, it's up to you whether you listen to our advice, just ask yourself

How am I different than the other 99.75% of youtubers that do not and won't make money?

@blissful verge @flat tree

[blissful verge]

well i don't wanna be a youtuber i wanna be a esports player

[celest flax]

Chances:

CS:GO (0.1%),
followed by Dota 2 (0.03%), Smite (0.02%),
and Overwatch, RSS, PUBG, LoL, Fortnite(<0.01%).

[digital lotus]

I’d reccommend finding a backup job before starting your career. Say your job in the entertainment industry doesn’t work, what happens next? A minimum wage job will leave you overworked and stressed since you will have bills to pay, and those bills won’t be cheap. Some teenagers work 12 hour shifts just to provide for their family. It’s best to just study to be a lawyer, doctor, or some sort of job that you can go to just incase it doesn’t work out.
Even if it does work out, people don’t stay in the entertainment industry for so long. Soon, people will get bored of them causing them to have less profit. By the time that happens you will probably have a family. How will you provide for them if you are unemployed?
Just try finding a backup job, then start persuing your dream of being an esports player.

Some people don’t even have a choice to drop out, they need to so their family can survive. You have a choice, so it’s best to use that choice wisely and don’t waste it. You can go to college, some people can’t due to financial issues. Just think about that and how lucky you are that you don’t need to do any of that.

[celest flax]

I disagree.

I think you should always put any online job like esports or yt behind as a side job.

In your extra time.

[tough solar]

@blissful verge I see very different approaches here. Since my brother who is an engineering student currently, is a competitive tournament player who has played in state and national level games, I will weigh in on this on a practical level.

I totally agree with Sugar's answer here. You need education + another stable career option should things go haywire.
But I also agree with you that if you start playing competitively when you are 35+, your chances of realizing your dream is very low because gaming industry does prefer players in 20s.

So what is a solution? Explore your college courses, get into a course that lands you in a good job. It doesn't have to be a long course, anything that will support you financially is enough. Craftsmanship, Diploma, Bachelor's.
a) You need money to fund your gaming equipment. It's very vital.
b) You need money to survive if gaming doesn't work out.

Which is what my brother does. He didn't play a lot in grade 12 to get into a good college. Now he practices everyday. Plays when he can but prioritizes studies. He's won some state/national tournaments. Funded his gaming equipment further. But that's not his only option.

[celest flax]

^

[tough solar]

He intends to work as an engineer as soon as he graduates, earn and use that money to advance his gaming career. Two careers is okay 😄

[celest flax]

^

And that's the appropriate approach.

The statics are EXTREMELY low to go pro in any game.

That's why a job should come before, then like Nivyas brother did. That way he had a stable job and could persue a career he enjoyed as well.

[blissful verge]

I want to be a esports player in valorant and I don't consider fortnite an eSport

[worthy trail]

Buddy, look. If you were good enough to be in esports, you would be already. You dont see any 18+ year olds randomly one day climbing to the top of the ranks and playing esports.

Hurts to say it but most professional gamers were good at games before they started playing professionally.

Most current pros at valorant had a background in csgo at the beginning of valorant being released, or other shooters. What you are doing with your time is a waste of your time, and eventually your life when you end up being 30, trying to achieve your goal of "getting to be a professional esports player", and living in your parents basement.