GET HOOPSIE LEGEND, LEADING LIGHT AND FRANTIC FACTORY OUT OF RANKED AS QUICKLY AS FREAKING POSSIBLE

[mighty blade]

Still surprised they replace bubble trouble but not hoopsie legends or leading light...

[novel light]

Bump

[steel pecan]

i think your just bad at it tbh

[novel light]

It just luck based

[steel pecan]

yeah but like if you just get one and fish for a golden one your clear for most of the time

[novel light]

Yes,but still, it's like 90% luck and 10% skills, but that's not the point, the point is that this level should NOT be in ranked

[novel light]

Bump

[novel light]

Bump

[austere belfry]

Nope, not as bad as button factory

[mighty blade]

Both still better than chasing randomly moving light

[novel light]

There is nothing worst then hoopsie trashend

[grand socket]

i dont see how leading light is better than hoopsie legends, but ok ig, different opinions exist after all

[novel light]

You know what, they both ugly in ranked

[novel light]

Bump

GET HOOPSIE LEGEND, LEADING LIGHT AND FRANTIC FACTORY OUT OF RANKED AS QUICKLY AS FREAKING POSSIBLE

[mighty blade]

I think it pretty obvious mediatonic wont change anything until Ranked Season 2

[novel light]

Yes, but they need to change it in ranked cycle 2

[vernal jetty]

Watch them add pegwin pool party, bounce party, box party and gold rush to ranked cycle 2.

[balmy siren]

Not sure Leading Light is as luck based as Frantic & Hoopsie tho. All require skill tho, but there are more RNG aspects in FF & HL

[novel light]

Imagine they'll add penguin presute and hoarders to ranked💀

[mighty blade]

Leading Light score zone is moving in random direction

[mighty blade]

mmmm Hoarders

[balmy siren]

Yes but still isnt the same since you can always see where it is and follow it, which involves skill. Isn't like in Hoopsie Legends where the gold ring can spawn right next to you, or not.

[mighty blade]

moves opposide side of moving walls towards me and get blocked:

[balmy siren]

Planning 😉

[grand socket]

ngl, i lowkey feel like we're being a bit overdramatic over rng in ranked

but if they remove this they should replace this with bounce party frfr

either way if leading light is slightly skill based i think hoopsie is too

i should prob make an rng board

[novel light]

Bump

[grand socket]

replace it with bounce party‼️

[river egret]

It kind of isn't the worst. There's been worse.

Frantic Factory is quite easy if you look for where the buttons would appear, and the more people that qualify the more chances you have at getting a button. Staying in the air using the bouncers has worked for me. Oh and if you're in low gravity and want to hit a button, diving is faster than jumping in terms of landing onto it.

Leading light is very easy if you know what you're doing. Get to the centre then follow the crowd. If you get locked behind a switch door jump on other people or wait until someone hits the button.

[novel light]

It's still rng

[little hedge]

i mean hoopsie and leading light are fine enough

[vernal jetty]

Honestly, I actually want them to add bubble trouble back to ranked, it wasn’t that luck based.

[grand socket]

I think it is about the same level of rng as hoopsie tho
just somewhat less

[vernal jetty]

Not really. I think it only got removed because of the backlash from treasure trove

[little hedge]

also srl i saw your message saying to take all creative maps out of ranked and i fully agree

well at least before you deleted your message that is

[little hedge]

yes it was

[vernal jetty]

I deleted it because I would get pushed all the way to the vault

[grand socket]

hold on, lemme see the current roundpool for ranked

then I'll post my interpretation of whats skill and what isnt

[vernal jetty]

I also hate how it only has 30 maps. It genuinely makes ranked so repetitive to play

Well, pretty much all point creative rounds should not be in ranked

[little hedge]

no creative rounds should be in ranked

[vernal jetty]

B-but then what happens to the knockout part? 🔥

[vernal jetty]

Here’s my list because why not?

[little hedge]

gone

it'd just be Ranked Solos

[vernal jetty]

Jump club should be in the can work but needs tweaking tbh

[little hedge]

the way it should have been from the start

[vernal jetty]

Erm actually it’s would be called ranked classic solos.

[little hedge]

very outdated list

[little hedge]

no

they'd shorten it

[vernal jetty]

Tbh, I honestly hate how much they are pushing knockout

[little hedge]

when you matchmaking in solos at the top it literally just says "Solos"

[little hedge]

as do we all

[vernal jetty]

Indeed it is. I made it around the start of ranked.

[little hedge]

before

some of those rounds weren't even in the roundpool when ranked released

[vernal jetty]

Well errr, it includes the levels from this update

[little hedge]

stomping ground 🥀

[little hedge]

why is chicken gulch being rated then

[vernal jetty]

Real. They need to remove the classic as well

[vernal jetty]

Idk why I put that one there. 🥀 Maybe because it gets out so many players idk

[little hedge]

how are you gonna say idk then give your exact reasoning

[vernal jetty]

Because I can. 🔥

[little hedge]

also blunderboat is too janky for ranked imo

[vernal jetty]

Vro is referring to all creative maps frfr

[little hedge]

leading light, blast ball and hex a gone definitely dont belong in ranked

[little hedge]

this is true

[vernal jetty]

Smh I put it in the “STAY OUT” tier

[little hedge]

cringe tier naming

[vernal jetty]

smh then how would you name it 🕊️

[little hedge]

trash

absolute doggy

[vernal jetty]

W name tbh. But because I’m a bingus, I called it something cringe

[little hedge]

you are NOT a

[vernal jetty]

Vro indeed I am

[little hedge]

vro you are not a

[vernal jetty]

Well I’m definitely not mewing Bingus

[little hedge]

yes you are

you may not be bingus but you can be the mewer

[vernal jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-crying-meme-gif-22168515

[little hedge]

lmao embed fail

[vernal jetty]

Smh it happened to you as well

[little hedge]

erm gotta go chat

[vernal jetty]

Errr, okay?

[grand socket]

here's my thoughts of how much rng ranked is

[vernal jetty]

Hex a gone is not 100% skill

It’s very luck based

[grand socket]

being aware of other players is a skill imho

[vernal jetty]

No. It’s still luck based

[grand socket]

on second thought you still can't look up in fall guys so yeah this is 90% Skill 10% Luck

[mighty blade]

you forgot Dizzy Heights, Frantic Factory and Dragon Dashers
i asume you count Kraken Slam without current huge bug problems it has now where tentacles have most busted hitboxes and being invisible
Blast Ball explosion range and stack defenetly not make it 98% skill, i would say 75-80%

[grand socket]

these 3 rounds do not show up, these are only in normal knockout I think
you're right abt blast ball too

[mighty blade]

just looking there and all 3 are in

[vernal jetty]

Smh leak website mentioned. 🥀

[grand socket]

smh ts did not show up when I was making the list
Dizzy Heights | 85% Skill | 15% Luck | 50% Fun
Dragon Dashers | 98% Skill | 2% Luck | 30% Fun
Frantic Factory | 40% Skill | 60% Luck | 30% Fun

[vernal jetty]

These odds are…….questionable

[mighty blade]

shhhhhhh

[vernal jetty]

I see

[grand socket]

why exactly❓️

[vernal jetty]

Dizzy heights is not 99% skill, it’s more 80%

[grand socket]

oh right I completely forgot about the balls

85%

[mighty blade]

it honestly depends on variants

[little hedge]

im sorry but 60% luck for button bashers is genuinely the most insane thing i've seen all week

blast ball is also definitely not 98% skill

probably 70% max

40% fun for kraken is diabolical 🥀

[vernal jetty]

So true

[novel light]

I agree with most but hex a gone 💯 % skills... idk about that

[novel light]

So true, it should be under 30%

[novel light]

Sort it out is definitely a skill based level

[novel light]

Stop hating on creative levels!!!!!!!!

[grand socket]

i already corrected myself from the blast ball part
as for kraken slam, its my personal opinion of how i feel when i get that level 🤯

[grand socket]

however i do agree 40% is somewhat low for the round so maybe 65% Fun

[little hedge]

More like 300%

[grand socket]

more like .3%

[little hedge]

No

They don't belong in ranked

[grand socket]

ellaborate on why

[little hedge]

I've elaborated several times in the past and don't feel like doing it again

I'll see if I can find it

[grand socket]

ive searched it up myself

pretty sure a somewhat large amount of unity rounds would have the same treatment if you were able to practice them

[novel light]

They do

A level is not measured by the software it was built with, all that matters it is fun, interesting, and good.

[little hedge]

But it definitely does matter if the levels made with the weaker system literally just don't compare in any way?

[little hedge]

I mean you can practice them but at the same time, unity is iconic and has been a part of the game... literally forever and also has much more uniqueness to them than creative levels will ever have

The creative editor itself is too limiting to allow for any true uniqueness or unseen things unlike unity maps

[grand socket]

big fans, speed circuit, track attack and full tilt are all in ranked and no one bats an eye

[little hedge]

Yeah they're straight forward

Pretty boring imo, but it's not like they flat out have terrible or unfun gameplay

[grand socket]

while most creative rounds ARE clunky sometimes, not ALL of them have "terrible or unfun gameplay"

youre acting like every level is Treasure Trove

[novel light]

So you basically hate every straight forward level in the game

[little hedge]

Try not to be contradictory to what I literally just said challenge (impossible)

[little hedge]

My point is that in the only competitive mode in the game, creative (a side mode) shouldn't be forcing its way into the comp community unless it's reworked

I said I'm fine with creative being in ranked if they rework it and make it actually feel like a comp mode

Because right now it's straight up just knockout with a point system

When it should have a different roundpool and if it's gonna have creative maps in them, then a few of them should be difficult to complete imo

It doesn't take skill to qualify spooky slingers for the 185858592968th time

But it'd take a lot much more skill to qualify something like terabyte trials for example

And unity rounds just there as a break between rounds still keeping the core game aspects there

[novel light]

I don't like this kind of talk, I ask you to calm down a little.

[little hedge]

But as things are right now, imo creative still doesn't belong in ranked until they change some things

[novel light]

It's OK, respect your opinions.

[grand socket]

fair point, but that still doesnt change the fact that theres unity rounds on the same level of game-design as creative rounds in ranked

so dont ignore them

[little hedge]

I am calm, it's just you literally summed it up as I hate all straight forward levels after I literally just said that I'm fine with straight forward levels

[grand socket]

i do agree with the other stuff tho

[little hedge]

Most of those unity rounds that are on par with creative levels are years old at this point

And that's the main thing that bothers me about creative

It's cool in concept, but if you're gonna make a level editor, at least do it right

Creative has far too many visual bugs right now for it to even look comparable to unity no matter what you do

[novel light]

My bad

[little hedge]

2 years of creative and it's only on par with ls2

If creative was progressing faster and we had more things and cool stuff available to us, then it'd honestly be fine

It's just mods are highly frowned upon and if you use the vanilla in game editor and it doesn't live up to unity standards that mt has already set in place for the entire fan base, then it's also frowned upon

That's another point I forgot to mention, Mt doing a level editor so late in that game's life

After raising the bar so high with complex and unique unity levels, then just instantly dropping that same bar down to the ground instantly

The playerbase still has raised expectations from the unity era, which will never return as mt will never be able to fully satisfy those same standards

If they had made a level editor earlier in the game's life, then tbh this probably wouldn't be much of an issue at all

But what's done is done, there's no changing the past

[grand socket]

fire arguments🗣️ 🔥

you convinced me

[little hedge]

If you're being fr I think that's the first time my argument has ever convinced someone to change their perspective

[novel light]

I read your entire argument, and I still think that what makes a level good is its level of spooning, and if design is important to you, MT knows how to design most of their levels. I suggest to all the haters of the MT creative levels to renounce your angry mood a little, and try to enjoy the new levels we are getting.
Because that's the state of the game at the end of the day, whether you like it or not.

[vernal jetty]

Tbh, all creative point maps except for top of the trash, bubbling brook (and if you count rebound run and trick and trapeze as point maps) should not be in ranked.

Pretty much all of them are luck based

[vernal jetty]

Na. They are not even on par with LS1 levels

[vernal jetty]

Because you can’t even make slime climb like maps because rising slime looks janky like on pine clime

[little hedge]

I mean true, they don't even have the movable boxes lmao, but I'm trying to be fair

By definition yeah creative is only on par with ls1 with a few elements from other seasons

[little hedge]

As I said at the end, there's nothing that can be done about it, but I still will hold the same opinion regardless because the mt creative levels are terrible imo

Mt creative levels are far worse than player made creative levels, made by a single player while Mt literally has a whole dev team on it, which is just inexcusable imo

They shouldn't even bother making creative levels with their resources if they're going to be bad, they should just dedicate their time and resources to more new content

[vernal jetty]

I see.

[vernal jetty]

Definitely. The players make way better stuff, also, unlike MT which won’t update an old level to have new features, players can keep updating theirs

[little hedge]

As a matter of fact, you cant even make an exponential speed ramp up like the jump showdown bar so it's technically not even on par with ls1

But I feel like it's kinda cheap to say that creative isn't even on par with ls1 after 2 years even though it really isnt

[vernal jetty]

Smh 🥀

I can believe that creative has been out for over 2 years and it’s not even on par with the almost 5 year old levels

[vernal jetty]

It definitely is not skill based

[little hedge]

Oh someone did actually say that

Hard disagree

[vernal jetty]

Massive disagree even

[balmy siren]

Skill based. But also some RNG sprinkled there

[vernal jetty]

It’s probably not as RNG as the other creative point maps but it still is. Probably on the level of hoopsie legends tbh.

[balmy siren]

Nah not close to hoopsie 😆

[vernal jetty]

Still, it’s very luck based and it’s annoying

[balmy siren]

In what way is it "very luck based" tho? Only RNG thing is where the things drop, but that's on a small pre-determined area, and after that it's mostly skill

(ps. I dislike that round. Just wanted that info out there )

[vernal jetty]

I mean, it’s luck based because people can grab you. Also, same, I don’t really like the map, it works much better as a team map

[upper scaffold]

Sort it out RNG? What?

[vernal jetty]

Yep, people grabbing you

[upper scaffold]

The only RNG is when you are dropping the item to the zones, because you can bug them and get multiple points from one item

[vernal jetty]

Still, it shouldn’t be in ranked

[upper scaffold]

No it shouldn't

But I don't think it's as random as the hunt maps in the current roundpool

[vernal jetty]

Yeah, it’s just a bad map

And it’s annoying to play as well

[upper scaffold]

Is just carry something to a zone, it's like saying that Egg Siege is RNG lol

[upper scaffold]

Is not competitive, I don't think it's bad

[vernal jetty]

It is. Anything with player interaction is RNG

[upper scaffold]

Royal Fumble?

[vernal jetty]

Yep

[upper scaffold]

[vernal jetty]

Actually, not everything

But still, sort it out in ranked would not be good

[upper scaffold]

Agreed

[novel light]

It's OK that you think they're making bad levels, but, the reason why they continue to make more of them, is because it takes less time to make then unity, and most of the community love the new levels they make.

[echo anchor]

there are a lot of things in this thread i don't really agree with but this is absolutely a truth nuke

unless the employees who make the maps aren't involved in developing new features

in that case they can continue to make new maps idrc

[balmy siren]

It's probably 1 person making the levels within 1 day 🙈 Feels like they're trying to save every penny they can to maximize profits

[echo anchor]

definitely takes more than one day

[balmy siren]

Don't underestimate MT employees!

They can make a mid level, clean the toilets and fix the coffee machine in 1 day

[echo anchor]

they're professional level designers.. they probably do a few tests with full lobbies

[vernal jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-edward-erm-what-the-sigma-squidward-yellow-gif-6552364233641544751

[echo anchor]

it's not as simple as you might think

the maps that get released probably go through a lot of changes

the new ones were leaked a while ago and they went through quite a few changes

[balmy siren]

I've had a running joke for long that they have 3 employees in total, and this was a spinoff to this. Just a heads up to maybe save you some time 😉

[echo anchor]

[novel light]

Stop hating on MT

[balmy siren]

https://tenor.com/view/grr-tantrum-gif-26943442

[little hedge]

lmao embed fail !!!

[vernal jetty]

Oh look, none of these rounds are in next rank cycle. But fall mountain is 🥀

[balmy siren]

To me RNG/bad finals aren't as bad as regular rounds tho. Since you get good points for reaching the final, and winning it is never a sure thing (normally).

[vernal jetty]

True but I still don’t really like how it’s in. Ranked. Fall mountain has barely any skill to it

[balmy siren]

It does, but becomes more RNG the more good players are in the lobby

[vernal jetty]

Definitely

[humble bolt]

Lol