Steam 2

[edgy lodge]

Make sure you bring plenty of AoE bits and pieces

Elite Lantern is basically just the unmatched power of the sun

[glacial storm]

wait so do weapons w explosions not benefit from weapon dmg in that case ?

[shell patrol]

elite lantern also deals extreme levels of emotional damage

[edgy lodge]

When he explodes it's just a massive decibel blast

But honest I think Duo Fjord has more than enough elites XD

I think it's like 5 elites

No 6

[shell patrol]

yep

[edgy lodge]

Anxi has 4, Tomb has 3, and Jokul has 2 annoying ones

[carmine ermine]

Benefits from both.

[storm haven]

Elite lanterns just uninstalls the game

[shell patrol]

elite lanterns tell you to go die

[edgy lodge]

Elite Lanterns fry your CPU

[shell patrol]

why the fuck is thunder arcane dmg uncapped

[edgy lodge]

No questions, just nuke

[storm haven]

No cap ong fr

[signal lotus]

Elite lanterns should refund your game if you die to them

[shell patrol]

2 billion damage 😭

might as well uncap weapon dmg at that point

[tulip steppe]

[shell patrol]

@edgy lodge i think they changed boundless scaling

im at 94 and its 54% alr

[carmine ermine]

Ha. A possible nerf and it wasn't even mentioned in the update notes, so people don't complain about it.

Damage resistance capacity was mentioned, saying they "adjusted" it, also made vague so people don't complain.

But not scaling.

[shell patrol]

that's one way to sneak in nerfs LOL

but it does seem that way

i remember not reaching 90% even at 200 stages

so hmm

[shell patrol]

what a nice damage boost

[storm haven]

Was wondering what they meant by that but no one mentioned it

[shell patrol]

what does "damage resistance capacity" mean

[shrewd geyser]

both boundless and endless ramp up in resist quicker now yah

also endless caps at 95 instead of 90, not sure for boundless

[shell patrol]

silly

i like that

nerfs are certainly a step in tha right direction

[shrewd geyser]

yeah quicker scaling means you gotta have a better run sooner to keep going

higher cap doesn't really mean much tbh since by the time you get to 90 you're dealing enough damage to cap through 95 or you've already lost

from 90-95% it goes up 0.1% per portal so you get 95 at like stage 100

[shell patrol]

yeah

[shell patrol]

no, not stage 100

[shrewd geyser]

endless, not boundless

idk boundless scaling I haven't played far enough into it

[shell patrol]

ah fair

[fresh breach]

hey gang noob question but how does matchmaking work LOL i got into 1 match and havent been able to find anyone since

[shell patrol]

it does not.

[fresh breach]

T-T

[shell patrol]

check the LFG channels

those are more effective

[fresh breach]

so blind,,,thank u my friend

[storm haven]

ran endless with lei luo counterviolence + gradual improvement + painkiller + lightning messenger + upgraded thorns

at 76% DR idk how long before i fall off lol

[shell patrol]

WAIT

YOU CAN'T OBTAIN THUNDER STEP, THE HOOP SCROLLS AND THORNY CARAPACE NOW WITHOUT THE JADE

UGHHH

fuckin hell

[spice forum]

… I thought that was sort of obvious

[shell patrol]

ti was not\

i am stupis\

[spice forum]

Since they suddenly became infused with arcane energy and ascended

And are no normal scrolls anymore

[shell patrol]

theyll be back to normal after the season , i hope?

[spice forum]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-slowly-back-away-hide-gif-8014785

[shell patrol]

a

also cryorus

seems like the +0.2 on kill is only a flat +2

i got basically the perfect justice and i only get 7proj

[spice forum]

Have you tried on other weapons

[shell patrol]

whoops, 6

[shell patrol]

nope

too lazy to bother

it took me 2 days to get this justice so

[spice forum]

Since justice is a weapon that went through so many changes and unique changes as well

[shell patrol]

fair enough

kinda sad tho

[spice forum]

Justice was a special ammo weapon at start

[shell patrol]

it was?

fun

but hey, i think 6 is still quite a bit of projectiles

[shrewd geyser]

ya +0.2 on kill is additive and caps at +2 projectile regardless of other inscriptions, I have a demonlore and angelic that have both +1 exclusive and +0.2 on kill and they cap at 4

[shell patrol]

rain

[shell obsidian]

I hope so because I really like the normal elemental ring scrolls

[shell patrol]

same

theyre awesome

[carmine ermine]

Inb4 people get so sad to see the arcane scrolls disappear that the devs buff the normal Thunder Step, Thorny Carapace, Blazing Hoop, Magnetic Coil and Realm of Corrosion to be closer to the arcane versions.

[shell obsidian]

Enhanced thunder step kind of already is close to the ascended version

[carmine ermine]

Now it'll be the unenhanced version.

Enhanced version gives you Overcharged Thunder.

[shell patrol]

inb4 i will raid the duoyi hq

for all legal reasons: i never said that

[shell obsidian]

I just want to get the normal scrolls again lol

[velvet brook]

hello

how yall doing?

[floral remnant]

No nerf can stop me making him broken >:)

[storm haven]

Gm bro

[storm haven]

This looks perfect

Forget about the 20% chance green inscription

Rof is cooler you can carpet bomb faster

[carmine loom]

is this real? Stage 382 in under 10 hours

[raw merlin]

with those numbers on your stats? not really a question

[shell patrol]

seems weak. i have 21k hp by stage 200

[carmine loom]

how fast r u clearing the stages?

Even if I onetap everything, I still lose time overall

[spice forum]

Secret ingredients

Interdependent fortune and need to get Paranormality

• Penetration Bullet

[shrewd geyser]

it's confusing to me that singleplayer endless caps enemies' hp but multiplayer doesn't

[nocturne sail]

Is endless not endless on reanc 9 ? i mean that 10 min timer???????? how are you suppose to clear that in 10 min

[tulip steppe]

get a better gun

[nocturne sail]

so there is no way to stop the timer ? i mean why call it endless then jezus 🤣 atleast let it reset after each act or something

[tulip steppe]

yeah, multiple people has gotten to stage +80

[nocturne sail]

in 10 minutes to stage 80 ?

[tulip steppe]

play boundless if you don't want the timer

yes

[nocturne sail]

i am doing something wrong than jeees

[tulip steppe]

you get time back on stage clear

[nocturne sail]

what do you mean ?

[tulip steppe]

you get more time when you clear a stage

[nocturne sail]

oke i never saw my timer go up but i had a shit setup gun so i guess thats the problem then 😄

[slate roost]

I'm curious what a good Endless mode score would be without interdependent fortune shenanigans

[carmine ermine]

Stage 70+.

[raw merlin]

even with interdependent paranormality nonsense, you really gotta be booking it in Endless

[edgy lodge]

Even with paranormality strat, there will always be situations where you are guaranteed time loss
Most Wave rooms (excluding one of Longling Tomb's wave rooms)
You can probably push time gains with the remainder of Anxi and Duo Fjord, I know they have some stages with easy time gains
All of Jokul is guaranteed time loss (Except Pole Monarch)
However, Longling Tomb is your ultimate time gain redemption

depending on the boss, you can make a minute recovery

[tulip steppe]

a couple people, myself included, has gotten past 300 with increased time, no cheese

[storm haven]

Did you all use bunny with multiple projectiles angelic aura/scalpel?

[edgy lodge]

fair enough
I personally just don't bother with endless no more

The timer just annoys me if anything

[tulip steppe]

thats what i used, i know some used Thunderstorm on Li

there are not many candidates for endless

[storm haven]

Thanks! Gotta have to try a Li Thunderstorm run soon

[tulip steppe]

Thunderstorm on Cat otherwise

[storm haven]

Don’t mind me asking tho but why Li with Thunderstorm? Like is it due to her acensions or spiritual blessings

[tulip steppe]

from what i know, the "Li" factor doesn't matter that much

she has fire stuff, even with Elemental gemini, thunderstorm won't benefit

its just the gun, like Scalpel and AA

I believe Justice could too, but not sure

[storm haven]

Sweet thanks 🙏

[tulip steppe]

not really seen it, but dog

[storm haven]

Kinda tempted to try it with him too

[shell patrol]

i would try it

once i get 1k boundless

[storm haven]

gdi i hate ship boss so much

i got the snake

[shell patrol]

@storm haven i have a spare justice i think, want it?

shoots 4 to 5 projectiles iirc

or was it 5 to 6? idk

[storm haven]

sounds pog bro but how you gonna give it to me

[shell patrol]

run together, i get it out of my vault and you put it into yours

[shell patrol]

@storm haven this is the justice

[shell patrol]

if the one I'm using is the Judge, this is the Prosecutor

[storm haven]

add me on steam https://steamcommunity.com/id/lvbuwei/

[storm haven]

didnt go that far, 91.8% is harsh lol idk if it makes any diff but extravagant consumption never dropped

[shell patrol]

sent

[shell patrol]

91.8% at stage 65? dang

im at like

370 in boundless

and 94.5

[storm haven]

just accepted

[storm haven]

yep endless is very harsh

[shell patrol]

i can try

Li justice or cat justice

which one do you think would work better in endless @tulip steppe \

dog could do as well but id rather have elemental bonuse

s

@storm haven yo check this shit

WHAT

why is dmgres going over 95

[storm haven]

scalpel my beloved..... (im never firing a gun that requires aiming)

[storm haven]

at 99.9 DR gluttony sucks you into the game dont say i didnt warn you

[shell patrol]

I THOUGHT IT CAPS AT 95 WHAT 😭

[storm haven]

nah im just spitballing about 99.9

i thought it capped at 95 too but i never went that far

[shell patrol]

ugh

well

lets see

god help me if it reaches 99.9

[shell patrol]

@edgy lodge does it reach 99.9?

[edgy lodge]

not sure

[shell patrol]

oh

cause i'm at 96.05 😓

[shell patrol]

btw are the damage numbers damage after or before reduction?

[strong needle]

Anyone got any good builds to get to Incarnate dificulty?

[shell patrol]

safest is a spore gemini with a rainbow + shotgun build

[trim swan]

I don't think it does because you'll be doing 1 damage every time

[shell patrol]

no, you would deal 0.1% of your actual damage

not 1

[trim swan]

1

[shell patrol]

... that doesn't seem to make sense

90% dmg resistance means you take 10% of dmg

99%, would be 1%

99.9% would be 0.1%

[trim swan]

Which if it happens to be 1 then it's 1

Oh wait you're talking about damage reduction

[shell patrol]

yes, on enemies

LOL

[trim swan]

Oh wait yeah you are

There it's still 1

[shell patrol]

it would only be 1 if you deal 1000 dmg

[trim swan]

1% is 1/100

[shell patrol]

okay im definitely missing something

[trim swan]

But you'll be doing very little damage that it becomes a snore fest

[shell patrol]

so, what is the cap then

bc it seems like it aint 95%

[trim swan]

Probably not 99.9 my guess, probably 98 to be my guess

[shell patrol]

hopefully

[trim swan]

Dang I just Englished properly

[shell patrol]

no way

[trim swan]

If the devs programmed the enemy DR to be at 99% then that's bad game design

[shell patrol]

is the damage shown by the numbers damage after or before resistance

[shell patrol]

gunfire is a gallery of bad game design in some spots

[trim swan]

Still playable in some areas

[shell patrol]

this would be v nice to know

as im still doing at least 100m according to them per hit at 96%

well, technically more

[trim swan]

Idk

[shell patrol]

90m from projectiles + 45m from uhh, fuck if i know, explosive bullets maybe? + either 10m, 15m, or somewhere around 100m from spores if theyre uncapped + more stuff idk

so yeah

big numbers

im still unsure if spore is capped or not

seems like it is though

ok so apparently the damage cap is "15m" from the right elemental type

fun!

ok so

oh

this is interestinf

[tulip steppe]

it should be non-elemental, but who knows now adays

[shell patrol]

Explosive Bullets uses skill dmg apparently

must be the 45m im dealing then

[shell patrol]

spores is non elemental yeah

from the barely visible numbers i see a 10m sometimes

must be spore

[trim swan]

I think explosive in general goes off of skill damage

[shell patrol]

it does

just checked

very interesting

[shell patrol]

does it get buffed by normal damage increases though...

[trim swan]

thought you already knew that smh

[shell patrol]

lol

okay so one sec

90m from justice projectiles (105m when i trigger double proj), + 45m from Explosive bullets, + 10m from spores (triggers every hit, or even triggers TWICE on every hit from my uhhh 31 projectile Porcupine)

145m

solid

now the real weird shit is that Enhanced Fish or Bear Paw should -20% damage and deal it twice

but it halves it anyway

bug, visual bug, or rounding fuckup?

bc if it worked as intended i should be dealing, uh, 199m damage

i should bug report this

if it was a rounding fuckup between 7.5m and 15m, then you'd need it to -26% damage... which it does not

must be a bug then or something

[strong needle]

The hero used isn´t important, right?

[shell patrol]

for this, you'd want Tao but yeah not too important

[tulip steppe]

FnBP should just give you another weapon dmg instance

[shell patrol]

yes, but thats not my point

points is that, the Enhanced version -20's dmg but applies the same 80% dmg afterwards

which should amount to, 12000000 dmg applied twice

it is instead, 7.5m

@tulip steppe any ideas why

[tulip steppe]

what?

each hit should just get another hit

Penbullet gives you another dmg instance aswell

[shell patrol]

yes, it halves dmg and deals it twice

but enhanced only -20%'s the DMG, which ends up as a 0.8x of the total DMG, then applies it twice

being a 1.6x of your total DMG while bypassing any sort of damage caps as it applies twice

however it doesn't seem to function as such and applies only 0.5x of the damage anyway, even enhanced, so from a 15m hit i end up with two 7.5m instances instead of two 12m instances

which is, a bug, unless i missed something big

@tulip steppe

so instead of my 6 projectile justice applying 12m x 12 from enhanced FnBP it only applies 7.5m x 12, just as if i used it unenhanced

[tulip steppe]

are you shooting a Health only enemy?

[shell patrol]

i have penbullet and a fire weapon

so i proc 15m

[tulip steppe]

you got Elemental Magazine?

[shell patrol]

yeah

[tulip steppe]

FnBP should be red with luck

[shell patrol]

yep

it is

[tulip steppe]

i assume you got alot

[shell patrol]

but again, only 7.5 million dmg

[tulip steppe]

hum, weird

[shell patrol]

i got lucky shot maxxed out from evil devouring sword ALONE

[tulip steppe]

FnBP’s cap should not be affected by anything that the main bullet isn’t

[shell patrol]

oh, so it might be Elemental Magazine?

[tulip steppe]

it just sounds like elemental disadvantage

[tulip steppe]

is it white

[shell patrol]

it... is not

[shell patrol]

nope, the white numbers are separate and i assume include it as well

[shell patrol]

if it WAS elemental disadvantage, i would be dealing 9.6m

per fnbp proc

or wait

one sec

9m

oopsie

or... hm

9m if elemental disadv works how i think it does, 4.5m if it does not

which isn't anywhere close to 7.5m @tulip steppe

so nope, not it

[tulip steppe]

weapons cap at 10m
15 with +advantage
7.5 with -advantage

FnBp doesn’t change this

[shell patrol]

then yes, 4.5m

per hit, so 2 hits

oh

6

christ i cannot math

6 million

still aint 7.5

[shell patrol]

enhanced FnBP would take that 7.5 and then multiply it by 0.8/-20% the dmg, and then double it

7.5 x 0.8 is 6

so it would be 6 million procced twice

[tulip steppe]

no

[shell patrol]

why not?

[tulip steppe]

its -20% dmg, like any other mutiplyer its just to your dmg

if you cap, you cap

[shell patrol]

cap is per projectile, so i assume it would be per instance of damage as well

in which case each instance of FnBP damage would have its own cap

[tulip steppe]

nope

its just weapon dmg

think of it as +1 proj

[shell patrol]

+1 proj means you proc 15m twice...

or 7.5m, for that matter

[tulip steppe]

yes

thats what it does

[shell patrol]

but before that it either halves or -20%'s your damage

[tulip steppe]

yeah

[shell patrol]

if it's unenhanced and only halves, then for each 15m hit it would apply 7.5m twice

[tulip steppe]

like any other dmg effect

[tulip steppe]

no, only if you ain’t strong enough

both can do 15m

[shell patrol]

oh. i see

wait

so it takes "real" dmg before cap and just halves that, then applies the cap to it?

so if your weapon does 30m theoretically but caps out at 15, FnBP would deal 15 still?

@tulip steppe

[tulip steppe]

like any other dmg increase/decrease

[shell patrol]

ok, i see

thanks

guess i need more dual edge stacks

oh wait no

something else is fucking me up i bet

oh right there's absurd amounts of dmg red i just remembered

guess i do need more dual edge stakcs

@edgy lodge yo i have a cool idea on how to get 10m more damage for each hit from an angelic aura

spore + Multiple porcupine as secondary

upgrade it enough and itll cap out, switch to it once and it will have a total of 31 projectiles listed

so spore every hit, for 10m

nice boost on high rps low projectile weapons imo

[edgy lodge]

[shell patrol]

me when i commit mass carpetbombing arson with a 6 projectile justice

Hell spore lovers when i show them that Porcupine lets spore proc every hit: https://tenor.com/view/esports-game-game-time-game-day-game-on-gif-20437016

even TWICE on a hit in some circumstances

or thrice :p

[edgy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-angry-gamer-gif-18242177

[shell patrol]

if you hold 2 of em

spore silliness

[shell patrol]

1k levels woo

[wise citrus]

Does spiritual assault give you spirit essence

just finding a way to grind tree levels

[versed fox]

yeah

[storm haven]

Yeah and best way to do it is use the jade that lets you release all elements when you reload

Then slowly build up to kill gluttony

[raw merlin]

I'm very happy that I finally have a couple of Big Hippos that I can viably run as my main weapon, but I'm also conscious of how many resources had to be put in just to make this thing usable

[still creek]

does anyone know which hotkey for the new arcane ability ?

[carmine ermine]

There is none.

Read the descriptions.

[still creek]

ahh, it's worded/translated poorly, i thought the nova is an active abilityy

thanks

[shell patrol]

@storm haven @edgy lodge HALFWAY THERE

[edgy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/halfway-there-bon-jovi-living-on-a-prayer-band-concert-gif-15226260

[shell patrol]

WHOAAA LIVING ON A PRAYER

[carmine ermine]

*Whoooa, we don't need no prayer!

With OP buffs, we'll make it I swear!

Whoooa, this is so unfair!

[shell patrol]

GAHAHAHAHAHA

hey at least they made enemy dmg res 99% in boundless

thats SOMETHING at least

endless is 95 tho

[carmine ermine]

Does it do anything though?

[shell patrol]

not much except force you to level a weapon to 1000+ levels to keep up xD

[carmine ermine]

Exactly.

[shell patrol]

this game needs half the scrolls reworked, and both incoming and outcoming damage completely reworked

[wise citrus]

How do I chat in coop game

[carmine ermine]

I'd imagine slightly reworking Spirit Feline would be a great kick in the pants for many people.

[trim swan]

You press enter

[shell patrol]

this for certain

[shell patrol]

how would you rework it?

[carmine ermine]

Oh, just one small, itsy bitsy tiny change.

-100% DMG Taken from above-threshold DMG -> -90% DMG Taken from above-threshold DMG.

[shell patrol]

[carmine ermine]

Weak hits are still gonna hurt more. Strong hits are still gonna hurt way less. But super strong hits? You're dying anyway.

[shell patrol]

vile

i love it

[shell patrol]

what about enhanced though

[carmine ermine]

-95% DMG Taken.

[shell patrol]

o

but yeah that is

brutal

lmao

the 250k damage in stage 1000 endless:

[wise citrus]

Nona on my team killed wind god in two hits

Nona, aura of venom

[carmine ermine]

Nothing special about that.

[wise citrus]

Killing a boss in two hits?

[carmine ermine]

Yes.

Probably more common to kill a boss in one hit.

[wise citrus]

Fucking HOW

[carmine ermine]

2 years of powercreep.

[wise citrus]

You did not explain at all

[shell patrol]

a justice and a little tomfoolery

that's how

[wise citrus]

What's a Justice

[wise citrus]

I've never seen a weapon that does that much damage

Even little red dragons

[shell patrol]

see the +128?

also you probably have not unlocked it yet

[wise citrus]

No I just don't know how you leveled it up that many times

[shell patrol]

what 500 stages does to a man

45000 hp too

[wise citrus]

I was in elite na tho

[simple pendant]

Finally got all achievements, only took almost 200 hours lol

[trim swan]

Congrats

[silent magnet]

Is this good?

[storm haven]

thats pretty good

[shell patrol]

why the hell is bloody ammo not dealing DMG to me at all, but capacity overdraft is

i can fire thunderclap gloves for a minute with 0 damage applied

this is a bad thing btw

i need deadly counter

to apply

[shell patrol]

knockoff angelic aura

[quick tree]

boy the game is awesome!

[shell patrol]

it sure is

[quick tree]

I've been playing Rampage Agents VR (adventure mode) first, and I thought that game is unique, then I found roboquest on steam and been playing that one, it's been so awesome that I started searching for other games alike, I tried deadlink (which is utter garbage due to it's mechanics), tried ripout (garbage too), tried a bunch of other roguelite shooters but nothing was nearly as good.

Then I accidentally found gunfire reborn 😄 While it seemed like garbage when I looked at it and played it for first time (even refunded in steam), when I decided to give it another shot - I found out the game is significantly better than it seems at first! I can even see that rampage agents is a clone of gunfire actually lol, and even roboquest is not as good anymore after playing this!

just a love letter to the game lol

[shell patrol]

it is a good game- but it has its issues

quite a few of them

[spice forum]

https://tenor.com/view/sweep-it-under-the-rug-bart-simpson-lisa-simpson-the-simpsons-cut-corners-gif-20417861

[quick tree]

well I've been playing for a few days already and I'm having an absolute blast

[spice forum]

https://tenor.com/view/chloroform-gif-20774563

[shell patrol]

i never said it aint fun

[quick tree]

my fav combo is the purple owl character + rainbow

decimates everything 😄

[spice forum]

Dont listen to Hisami

Nothing was said

nuthin

[shell patrol]

don't listen to cryorus

everything was said

[spice forum]

https://tenor.com/view/thot-detected-halal-gif-15249975

[quick tree]

ehh why do you sound like schoolboys heh

[shell patrol]

lol

that is quite a few elites

[thin epoch]

When does this season ends?

[shell patrol]

a few months

[carmine ermine]

But why would you want it to end? Permanent passives are great!

[shell patrol]

lmao

hi altanna

[carmine ermine]

Hi.

[shell patrol]

did you know that a porcupine can have 2.5 billion dps

[thin epoch]

What a spicy animal, huh

[shell patrol]

too real

@carmine ermine do you have any idea why i take no damage from bloody ammo but take actual damage from cap overdraft?

i can fire a thunderclap glove for a minute and take no damage

i'm trying to get an unenhanced bloody ammo to check if maybe that helps but i have doubts

[carmine ermine]

You got something like Deft Hands?

[shell patrol]

nope

[carmine ermine]

Advanced Depot?

[shell patrol]

nope

only thing that could stop the damage is windrider or heavy shield

which i tested without, still nothin'

[carmine ermine]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shell patrol]

its so annoying i cant even trigger deadlycounter

[carmine ermine]

What about Strive to Survive link?

[shell patrol]

that uses smgs

i tested with injector

[thin epoch]

About the bear boss mission, I just need to let him charge and throw his weapon at the crystal, right?

[silent magnet]

Look at my rainbow ☺️

[gaunt fog]

someone to play?

[quick tree]

rainbow best weapon

[shell patrol]

fake

[edgy lodge]

Kid named Thunder Storm, Scalpel and Angelic Aura:

[shell patrol]

and justice!!!!!!!! and porcupine

porcupine strong as fuck

[storm haven]

Never know people can spell frenzied shark this wrong 😤😤😤😤😤😤

[carmine ermine]

It's situationally strong.

Endless/Boundless or Miasma.

[shell patrol]

`fair enuf

but hey

2 billion dps

2.5 with monkey

ok WHY cant i take damage from bloody ammo

fucking hell

[quaint hornet]

cause you are too good

[floral crest]

no way to enter game in progress ? sigh

[shell patrol]

nope

[raw merlin]

how do you make frenzied shark viable

[shell patrol]

you don't. go get a justice

justice best launcher 🔥 🔥

[edgy lodge]

I'm a thunder storm fan ngl

[raw merlin]

yeah ngl, I vastly prefer Thunderstorm over Justice

as far as lingering AOE goes anyways, if I want rapid fire explosions, I'll just use the mortar

thing went from a gimmick to BFG 9000 in handgun form

[shell patrol]

forgot it exisrs

theyre both tied for first place

[raw merlin]

something that I'm kind of interested in seeing is a weapon skill that knocks you back on hit

[shell patrol]

thats some recoil

[raw merlin]

like, replace the current Fire Tower weapon skill with a melee ranged skill that does explosion damage, has its own burn chance, and sends you flying backward if it actually connects with anything

[shell patrol]

nah

fire tower secondary is fine as is

make it flowing light's secondary

or somethin

tho i DO like flowing light's secondary already

[raw merlin]

I was about to say, Flowing Lights rapid thrust seems fine?

[shell patrol]

fair enough

it def needs a base damage buff

550 just too low

700 would be perfect since it attacks double as fast as a fire tower

[edgy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-dog-doin-what-the-dog-doing-what-the-dog-gif-27378335

[shell patrol]

you should see the shit a justice can pull

[edgy lodge]

I have

I'm just a thunder storm fan

[shell patrol]

i love both

[edgy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/lightsaber-duel-starwars-gif-5059995

[shell patrol]

theyre actually unique weapons

unlike half the stuff in this game

smgs BORING

shotguns BORING (except porcupine)

launchers BORING (except like, justice and thunderstorm)

and melee is cool kinda

[edgy lodge]

I'll give justice that
Only 2 good launchers in the game

[edgy lodge]

Blud said ILLUSION is boring

[shell patrol]

the launchers feel so generic

[edgy lodge]

Nah my man

Take that back

[shell patrol]

ok fine illusion is cool as well

they should make it fire though

[edgy lodge]

Balance restored

[shell patrol]

the design is a little similiar to like

porcupine and pupil

but it isnr elemental

[raw merlin]

Porc got reworked though

[edgy lodge]

Argus is funny with monke
Spirit argus moment

[raw merlin]

Porc now fires one shot which explodes into needles on impact

[shell patrol]

yeah, porcupine can do like 700 million damage in one shot

[shell patrol]

which makes it p accurate

[edgy lodge]

Porcupine is quite cool
Good for projectile builds
But I prefer Illusion ngk

[shell patrol]

pupil does a charge shot

and illusion is fast

imo illusion should have fire

[edgy lodge]

Porcupine is cool but not every projectile hits usually

[raw merlin]

Illusion is honestly just old reliable

[shell patrol]

def

[edgy lodge]

Honest

[shell patrol]

i like it

[raw merlin]

hard to go wrong with an auto shotty

[shell patrol]

solid for late spore builds and does stupid dps

[edgy lodge]

Illusion is just the shotgun angelic aura

[shell patrol]

theoretically porcupine can have 2 billion dps

2.5 billion on monkey

thats BASE

with all projectiles damagecapping

[raw merlin]

I wouldn't call Angelic Aura reliable without a stability inscription

[shell patrol]

angelic aura beats it by like, a v small margin, plus the massive buff from fish and bear paw

[edgy lodge]

I usually use argus with monke shotgun builds
Because Spirit Argus funny

[shell patrol]

aura is reliable

[shell patrol]

idk i cant live without elemental

true dmg BORING

[edgy lodge]

I don't usually use angelic aura for room clearance, more so on elites and bosses

[edgy lodge]

Elemental is funny
But spirit argus very funny

[shell patrol]

porcupine monkey sounds stupidly broken. i gotta test it sometime

2.5 fucking billion dps

wait

[raw merlin]

whats this build?

[shell patrol]

@edgy lodge im p sure its the 2nd highest rof shotgun

[shell patrol]

hm?

[raw merlin]

2.5 bil Porc Monke

[shell patrol]

ok so

an elemental share porcupine for bonus damage on health + multiple enhanced attribute + monkey blessing that triples generalist bonus + armor breaker spiritual link

gives like

45 projectiles or so to it?

im p sure i wrote out the formulas yesterday

porcupine has like

3.5 rounds per second

if all projectiles hit and damage cap

thats around... 2.5 billion dps if my math isnt fucked up

with elemetnal magazine bonus + explosive bullets

very good scrolls imo

explosive bullets is +22.5 million dps and elemental mag is a +15m per shot

@raw merlin lemme do the math again brb

oh yeah i did it here #1055550986292297838 message

[raw merlin]

I've mainly been using monke for high lucky chance launchers and speedy launchers

dam

[shell patrol]

monkey adds a total of +40% projectiles to shotguns

[raw merlin]

too used to the old meta lol

[raw merlin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shell patrol]

if fish and bear paw didn't exist porcupine would be like

the highest dps weapon in the game

besides, for angelic aura to even get close to it it needs a 4.5 projectile godroll

any multiple porcupine can do 2.5b dps on monkey

as long as you got the damage

anyway, the endless/boundless meta in terms of weapons imo is like:
angelic aura
big hippo
thunderstorm
justice
porcupine

mayb a few injectors but they cant multihit for shit

and also some of the smgs but if im gonna be honest almost all of them feel like utter ass

they also have garbage elemental procs

oh yeah rainbow as well i guess

[edgy lodge]

Scalpel rn:

[shell patrol]

isnt scalpel an smg

oh yeah

right

scalpel is real guys trust me

(scalpel is a conspiracy by endless players, it doesnt exist)

[storm haven]

“Sir we got you surrounded! Use the multi projectile high ROF weapon”
“I hate aiming! I hate aiming!”

[shell patrol]

"I HATE AIMING" the bomb shotgun:

like its literally a bomb shotgun thers nothing else you can call it

[storm haven]

Can’t lie tho fun to use scalpel on bunny

[shell patrol]

have you tried thunder bunny yet

[storm haven]

As in thunder step?

[shell patrol]

as in thunderstorm

[storm haven]

Nah

I did dog dual thunder storm once tho

[shell patrol]

do it

itd be silly

[storm haven]

With thunder step

Broke my record

[shell patrol]

thunder machine gun

[storm haven]

Hit 95 DR before the game told me to stop

Bunny should have a buff where blossom is replaced with dual wielding like if you agree

[shell patrol]

why is the "25% chance to instakill enemy" inscription not exclusive

[storm haven]

From the poison bow?

[edgy lodge]

Injector

[shell patrol]

no

it can trigger Strive to Survive

which is smg only

anyway, apparently bloody ammo not working happens on stage 1 of boundless

so its boundless stuff

anyway

does elemental maestro have elemental advantage always?

ok apparently it only removes disadvantage

good enough

stage 600

[edgy lodge]

Fairs, thought it was injector

[shell patrol]

lol

[shell patrol]

should i make a spreadsheet of dps and max possible dps of all weapons

[silent magnet]

You might have a resistance scroll that reduces it to 0.5 or less, rounding it to 0

[silent magnet]

Yes!

[shell patrol]

damage resistance does nto apply to bloody ammo or other forms of self damage

[silent magnet]

you'll have to answer him then

[shell patrol]

what?

[small fjord]

i found my new favorite weapon for leiluo ^^ would not want to take a hit from that to the face

[shell patrol]

that is

one of the bricks

[small fjord]

i like that one

[shell patrol]

check this shit tho

shoots 6 projectiles

bomb shotgun

[small fjord]

yeah i saw your clip it looks insane

im only at stage 304 i think

so i think my brick will get better heh

[shell patrol]

the damage cap:

[small fjord]

oh yeah true

oh well hehe

how many stages you usually do in a day?

[shell patrol]

get Elemental Magazine and Explosive Bullets to like double your dps or more lmao

[shell patrol]

uh

100-150ish

cause i go slowly

[small fjord]

i have those

[shell patrol]

enhanced?

[small fjord]

yes

i think i did

[shell patrol]

im mainly just vibing to some trance while murdering stuff on autopilot'

[small fjord]

yeah same

im doing like hmm 80-120 stages a day atm

[shell patrol]

@small fjord also enhance fish or bear paw

[small fjord]

i just got back to gunfire

[shell patrol]

it can double your dps as well

[small fjord]

ill do that next then

[shell patrol]

since it hits twice for full damage

[small fjord]

true

[shell patrol]

wait you like trance as well?

[small fjord]

but most my damage comes from my "dash"

[shell patrol]

lol

[small fjord]

i had to rebind dash to e since its easier to smash

and ofc i like trance

[shell patrol]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=q3XN_fcbTtA&si=8KVy0CdQoHBEHL1v

[shell patrol]

i didn't think of that fuck

i need dash for rof boost so

[small fjord]

haha

for me with leiluo ill just spam dash since everytime i dash i cast chainlightning

and dash has no cd

[shell patrol]

did you see the clip where i killed a boss without shooting at all lmao

[small fjord]

i did yeah it was hilarius

[shell patrol]

comical

[small fjord]

i cant do that my self i need to throw bricks at them

but i can clear rooms without shooting

just dashing

[shell patrol]

get enhanced thunder screen

[small fjord]

nice

[shell patrol]

also

use the elemental share gemini

it can 1.5x your damage when you have an elemental advantage

that brick is 100% damage capping anyway

[small fjord]

yeah true but the higher crit i have my chainlightning hits harder 😄

[shell patrol]

eh, in the long run ele adv is better

[small fjord]

could be true yeah

but i can change that then

[shell patrol]

anyway

cool fact

porcupine is one of the most broken weapons in the game

[small fjord]

hmm yeah i have seen a few nice of those that i picked up to try later

[shell patrol]

2 billion dps on any character as long as you have elemetnal advantage and all projectiles damage cap

2.5 on monkey

[shell patrol]

(and you also have elemag and explosive bullets)

[small fjord]

yeah

i have most of the occult scrolls

[shell patrol]

im prob gonna post a massive list of balance changes i'm thinking of after im done with this run

[small fjord]

not a bad idea

[shell patrol]

cause holy hell is endless/boundless broken

[small fjord]

oh yeah i needed to ask, i need to get 2 more levels on the battlepass but i dont wanna quit my run. can i get those in the other game modes?

[shell patrol]

nope

[quick tree]

which is the best hero for solo?

[shell patrol]

only main works

[small fjord]

darn

[shell patrol]

@small fjord anyway cool trick

you can quit a run while saving it

as in, end it and then play another run then restore

[small fjord]

aah ill need to do that

but now to sleep, gn everyone

[shell patrol]

you'll revert any progression before restore unfortunately

[shell patrol]

gn mate

[quick tree]

I've been using the purple bird cos he got cards autoattacking everything like drones, but I wonder if there is something more OP

his cards destroying bosses like they are nothing

[shell patrol]

no, not really

owl can also rng manipulate

oh wait

i mean

theres quite a bit more op stuff

but owl's good

[quick tree]

hmm cool

need to try other heroes then

[silent magnet]

What does "weapon skill" mean? when you press right click on the gun?

[versed fox]

yes

[silent magnet]

How does Lucky Shot work? Sometimes it turns red instead of purple

[versed fox]

based on lucky shot chance

[silent magnet]

and how do you trigger a lucky shot? does it have to be a headshot?

[trim swan]

Not really, he has the ability to reset a scroll but it doesn't change the rng for what type of scroll you get

[versed fox]

x2 / yellow is 1-100
x3/ purple is 101-200
x4 / red is 201-300%

[versed fox]

chance

crits != lucky shot

you can have both in one shot

[shell patrol]

doesn't he increase a chance of a specific rarity dropping

[trim swan]

No, he only has the ability to upgrade a scroll but he gets a limitation on those. Same chance of specific rarities

[shell patrol]

oh i see

makes sense

still cool

[trim swan]

Only rng thing I can think of is a level 3 ascension having more of a chance to appear

[silent magnet]

Which is better, +50% DMG Taken (to enemies) or +50% Weapon DMG?

[carmine ermine]

+50% DMG Taken.

DMG Taken is pretty much all multiplicative. Most Weapon DMG is additive, resulting in diminishing returns.

[silent magnet]

Oh I thought weapon dmg was better

[exotic flint]

When you quit back to the menu after resting at a rest site, is it safe to quit your game and pick the run back up later?

Just wanna make sure the continue option doesn't go away when the game closes, in the middle of a boundless run lmao

[carmine ermine]

DMG Taken also works on skill damage, if that's something to consider.

[carmine ermine]

Yes.

[exotic flint]

Awesome thank youu

[silent magnet]

i don't use my Q or E abilities, so skill damage is useless

[carmine ermine]

Not really.

Anything that isn't a weapon's shot is counted as skill damage.

This includes ascensions, scrolls, inscriptions and blessings that trigger extra hits.

So a weapon inscription that has an 80% chance to create a fireball on crit hit for example? That's skill damage.

[silent magnet]

how do you know all of this stuff?

So should I prioritise DMG taken, then skill damage, then weapon damage? I'm using spores at the moment

[carmine ermine]

Playing and extensively studying the game for a long time. Not so much recently, however.

If you're doing spores, pure skill damage bonuses don't really matter, as spores actually are based on weapon damage.

I should rephrase. Most things that aren't a weapon's shot is counted as skill damage.

A few things will base themselves on the weapon, such as Soul Strike and spores, and they also count as weapon damage.

[silent magnet]

what are the best occult scrolls i should aim for?

fish or bear paw?

[carmine ermine]

I suppose you could go for that one.

In general though, spore builds are very simple.

Just get any scroll that increases weapon damage or damage in general. Not much else really matters for them.

[silent magnet]

what about elemental damage?

[carmine ermine]

Spores are non-elemental. Worthless to them.

[trim swan]

I sometimes forget that Perfect Deck does do elemental damage, just weird not seeing it proc any status

[slate roost]

how do people get crazy high elemental damage chance on their weapon cards?

Typically the only variations I see are from an enhanced weapon with more elemental chance and/or the inscription that doubles it

[raw merlin]

exactly that?

[silent magnet]

I made a huge mistake…

Why did i do such a stupid thing

Now i always die in one hit

[tulip steppe]

drop the scroll

[carmine ermine]

Or don't. You're playing Nona, so how much would it even matter?

[silent magnet]

i couldn't, i had the "take it all" scroll

[edgy lodge]

I knew it 😔

[silent magnet]

haha what's wrong with nona?

[storm haven]

It’s alright iron wing can just damage for you

[edgy lodge]

I don't find nothing wrong with Nona myself, just don't enjoy her

I prefer playing other characters

[silent magnet]

Haha iron wing couldn’t keep up i had max movement speed

[carmine ermine]

The fact that death is virtually meaningless for her.

In a game genre designed around death being punishing.

[silent magnet]

Depends on if iron wing revives you. Sometimes it doesn’t and just sits there watching you die

[edgy lodge]

Yeah I've had multiple cases of that happening

[carmine ermine]

A chance of not getting revived is still significantly better than a guarantee of not getting revived.

[silent magnet]

I reached level 51 in spiritual assault today

[carmine ermine]

Especially when you've got a self-revive to cover the first time it happens.

[silent magnet]

I was playing co-op so i had others to revive me

[edgy lodge]

Wish spiritual assault could be endless

My highest is 58

[carmine ermine]

Death is even more meaningless there.

[silent magnet]

I can’t get that high. Not enough enemies to shoot

[edgy lodge]

Duo fjord is full of them

[silent magnet]

Could also be because idk the best build or how to build it properly

[silent magnet]

Of course but not enough to reach level 58

[edgy lodge]

Death becomes meaningless in like majority of the game, especially endless and boundless

[edgy lodge]

Yeah I used funny haha Lei Luo skill build

[silent magnet]

I mean r9 everything one shots you so…

[edgy lodge]

Not really

[silent magnet]

For me it does

[carmine ermine]

But it's extra-meaningless in multiplayer, and super-extra-meaningless with Nona.

[edgy lodge]

They deal A LOT but not one shot

[silent magnet]

Enemies do like 700 damage a hit

[storm haven]

So two shot

[silent magnet]

I will have 200 health

[edgy lodge]

More so the heavy hitters and crazy lantern bois

[storm haven]

Lantern my beloved

[tulip steppe]

-75% on shield break

[edgy lodge]

^

[silent magnet]

Airbag and spirit feline help somewhat but that’s rng if you get that

[edgy lodge]

Spirit Feline is pretty much the must have in endless lol

[silent magnet]

Dual edge tooo

But i rarely get that one

[edgy lodge]

Yeah, and Extravagant Consumption

[silent magnet]

I haven’t seen that one yet

And i’ve played this for months lol

[storm haven]

Turn on interdependent sometimes it appears there

[edgy lodge]

You've never had Extravagant Consumption?

[silent magnet]

No it’s never shown up

[edgy lodge]

Dang

[silent magnet]

I’m always getting bloody ammo 🙄

[shell patrol]

if i have 1hp with spirit feline

do i get oneshot

[edgy lodge]

It's 1% to all damage every 100 copper you spend (caps at 60000), when you have more than 500 copper, it gets soent next stage @silent magnet

[shell patrol]

NO BLOODY AMMO SLANDER ALLOWED

[storm haven]

Only penguin can fuck you up iirc

[shell patrol]

at 1hp man

[edgy lodge]

Good I'll slander flowing light instead

[storm haven]

Penguin attack is multi hit like a lot of hits at one go

[edgy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[storm haven]

Granted I was kinda silly and thought I could facetank it

[edgy lodge]

Penguin rn

[storm haven]

Fr

[shell patrol]

i literally cant die in boundless

i can facetank a penguin

[storm haven]

That’s diff you are like breaking all the limits at that point

[edgy lodge]

Yeah you become god mode eventually lol

[shell patrol]

btw teaa boundless has a weird ass bug

[edgy lodge]

Hmm?

[shell patrol]

bloody ammo doesnt work in it

but it works in endless and normal

like it just doesnt damage

[edgy lodge]

Dang lol

[shell patrol]

yeah horribly annoying

[wraith mesa]

what would be the best build atm that doesnt involve either owl or nona??

[carmine ermine]

Cat Painkiller.

[shell patrol]

am i in hell

[carmine ermine]

Other way around.

It's at this point the enemies realize they're in hell, as they're getting tormented over and over for the forseeable future.

[shell patrol]

stage 666 moment

[shell patrol]

eh its only a few days

[carmine ermine]

A few days is a long time to die repeatedly.

[shell patrol]

you should've seen GLaDOS

[tulip steppe]

Fixed an issue where the status of ascension [Thunderous Arcanum] for arcana [Thunder Step] displayed improperly

@edgy lodge

[edgy lodge]

Can't wait to see "Stored 10,000M"

[tulip steppe]

some guy did 100m i think

[edgy lodge]

Gonna make a new crown Prince run ngl

Was doing monke but eh, wanna do funny cat again

Definitely not the most broken

Big question is, do I do endless?

[carmine ermine]

Increased emoticon limit you can have at once. Arcane Ascensions is still not optional.

Lol.

[shell patrol]

pog justice aoe shows

[shell patrol]

sure

less of a slog than boundless

[shell patrol]

they didnt fix the bloody ammo bug

smh

jesus

im takin that

[raw merlin]

so I just tried out element share porcupine

uhhhhhh

the only time I've killed bosses faster was with a super high RoF and magazine size Wild Hunt

then again I'm also not using monkey

[tulip steppe]

why monkey?

[raw merlin]

Weapons Mastery

increased bonuses from weapon talents

[tulip steppe]

rip only used for a blessing

[raw merlin]

to be fair, nowadays I find it hard to play anyone except Prince or Lei

because Painkiller OP

I'd include the fox in that, but for some reason, her "secondary skill on weapon hit" ascensions don't benefit from her secondary skill ascensions like Prince and Lei's do

particularly noticeable with spiritual blessing related buffs, like, what? no near constant meteor storm on weapon hits? why?

when even without spiritual blessings, a properly kitted out Lightning from Void Lei can murder an entire room without moving from the entrance

[shell patrol]

:3

BILLIONS MUST DIE

[shell patrol]

porcupine can do 2 billion dps ish on any character, but 2.5 on monkey

[tulip steppe]

do all pellets hit?

i thought alot of them missed as they fly out

easiest to test with Merciless combo

kinda like Argus, which always fire 13 projectiles regardless of amount on the card

[shell patrol]

depends

ive seen them all hit sometimes

[quick tree]

is there a way to ban certain weapons from appearing in the 1st chest or at all?

like, I can restart to get new weaponset anyways

I don't see a reason why this can't be a thing

it's just super annoying when I get shit weapons in the 1st chest 😦

[carmine ermine]

You only technically can by not upgrading the talent.

[quick tree]

ehh too late for that lol

[carmine ermine]

That makes it so large and special, or just special ammo weapons don't appear.

[quick tree]

well yeah, that is at least something

[shell patrol]

this is a roguelike... youre supposed to make do with what drops

[storm haven]

Kid named esc > quit

[raw merlin]

based on my current experience, a proper Wild Hunt with enough RoF, some way of maintaing sustained fire, and stability inscriptions can kill faster than Porcupine, but Porcupine is by far the easier option to make work

on any given run

at this point I'm just trying to roll a weapon with all three elemental ball legendary inscriptions

its also possible that the only reason my Wild Hunt is working as well as it is is because of the ridiculousness of all the advantages Prince gets on inflicting elemental effects

[magic geyser]

Guys, is there any good build for the cat ?

[carmine ermine]

Painkiller.

[magic geyser]

Yeah I've already know that, but other blessing and ascension ?

[carmine ermine]

Endless Assault, Backpack Expansion.

Smoke Genius.

+Whatever damage stuff you want for killing bosses and elites.

[magic geyser]

those stuff will get me far in endless journey ?

[shell patrol]

the "with enough RoF" part applies to porcupine. also, porcupine's big issue is getting it to damage cap, when it IS capped it beats all shotguns, pistols, injectors and most smgs

[shell patrol]

lol

🥲

[magic geyser]

I've tried smoke build before but it didn't work so well

[carmine ermine]

Well you did ask for a good build for Cat.

Not a good build for Cat in Endless.

Big difference between the two.

[magic geyser]

sorry my mistake

so

[shell patrol]

"maintaining sustained fire" just use bloody ammo man

[magic geyser]

what's a good build for cat in endless journey ?

[shell patrol]

justice painkiller

porcupine as well

or both

heehee

[silent magnet]

No idea what painkiller is

[shell patrol]

blessing

[magic geyser]

LMAO how did you

XD

[shell patrol]

stage 700 boundless

[magic geyser]

+1000

[shell patrol]

its at like

[magic geyser]

impressive

[shell patrol]

+1400 ish rn

[magic geyser]

holy

xD

[shell patrol]

im tryna get it to always damage cap all projectiles

for some stupid dps

i think 1500 should be enough.. dunno tho

it damage caps on SOME enemies but not all

[magic geyser]

u got

7 trillion damage ?

what's the maximum weapon damage have you deal ?

[shell patrol]

fuck if i know

BUT

if all pellets hit on porcupine...

brb lemme math

[carmine ermine]

You deal at least 3 damage.

[shell patrol]

no, at least 0.3

[shell patrol]

porcupine weapon skill if all capped should do 700m ish

so idk

def aint that high though

damage calculations never end up being true :p we're just estimating

[raw merlin]

that's true, but as I said earlier, the way Wild Hunt fires makes it essentially have doubled benefit from RoF bonuses, so if you have the means to fire infinitely, and keep it from shaking your screen like crazy, it still fire faster

[shell patrol]

thing is it has v few projectiles

so once all projectiles cap out, the porcupine just beats all shotguns

wild hunt has 12 base. porcupine has 21.

with Generalist, Armor Breaker, and Multiple, porcupine gets 35

on monkey it gets 45 or so? lmao

[tulip steppe]

its just normal weapon cap sadly

[raw merlin]

well, I can't claim to have done that yet, so idk how that pans out in practice

[shell patrol]

porcupine weapon skill adds +5 projectiles

its a rough estimate but its like 650-700m damage per skill shot on non-monkey

[carmine ermine]

Wild Hunt also has a RoF of 4.5 and fires twice technically. Porcupine has 3.5 for primary and 1.0 for secondary, and run the risk of missing shots even at point-blank.

[shell patrol]

wild hunt fires twice?

thats silly

[carmine ermine]

So with 9 RoFequivalent for Wild Hunt, it could be treated as having 24 projectiles equivalent to Porcupine's 21.