Steam 2

[edgy lodge]

especially in high endless rounds

[true ivy]

id argue final judgement is mandatory for deep endless

[edgy lodge]

yeah, e-coin shot is really good too
e-elemental mag and such

[true ivy]

along with blessing in disguise, extravagant consumption, and dual edge

[edgy lodge]

100% agreed

Elite assassin isn't so mandatory but never turn it down if you get it

[true ivy]

that said enhanced final judgement isn't the necessary version like e-coinshot or e-bid is

it's better, but they give about the same benefit

[trim swan]

e-bid is necessary for pre endless but once you enter endless then it's kinda useless enhanced because you still get two ascension options, which at some point you'll have the right ascensions so you'll just recycle the two options

[true ivy]

2 ascensions is 2 ascensions

[trim swan]

yeah but you can just have that as a normal, e-bid just increases the choice count to 5

[true ivy]

oh no i meant like the extra 2 you get from e-bid

[trim swan]

it's good, I love it

just kinda not needed in endless imo

since you probably already had the 5 extra ascensions

[true ivy]

i feel like you're misunderstanding me

e-bid can make or break some characters versus standard bid because of the 2 extra points

on prince those 2 points can give you 40% rof and a 20% multiplier

[trim swan]

mhmm

[true ivy]

for example

so i feel like if you should get bid at all it needs to be made into e-bid if it isn't already

[trim swan]

I'm saying that e-bid in deep endless is going to be useless because you most likely already have the build you'll want, you can only replace ascensions in endless and unless you have extremely bad luck then I don't see it being as useful in like 500+ rooms, it'll just have the same effect as regular bid since it'll just give you two recycle bonuses

e-bid pre endless is amazing since you get more ascensions

but will have the same effect as regular bid in deep endless

[tulip steppe]

its the best scroll to find pre, yes

after its not so interesting

[true ivy]

hmmm

e-elemental magazine, or e-final judgement

[true ivy]

i legitimately haven't seen bid once in the past 20 runs

this scroll might as well be legendary for how freakin rare it is

[spice forum]

Tell me that about Dual Edge

[true ivy]

how does bloody ammo react with the twin magazine exclusive, i wonder

[spice forum]

as you would most likely expect it to

base count 2 magazine and it disables auto reload

[true ivy]

the question is how does the inscription treat having 0 ammo

[spice forum]

so each 0 shot you technically didnt hit the first shot and have a chance to regain ammo

[true ivy]

is it equal to 1 or does it just lose its effect

oh so it's the shit one

cool

good to know

[spice forum]

it only cares about the first shot being a kill or not

[true ivy]

that doesn't entirely seem right though, cause reloading up to 1 with Hell causes it to give the 200% LS

[spice forum]

yes

[true ivy]

i think it's literally "if 2, refill if it kills ; if 1, 200% LS"

[spice forum]

at two it checks if you killed or not

[true ivy]

what i don't know is how it reads 0

[spice forum]

it is below full mag

thats all it cares about

[true ivy]

ok so yeah it's useless then

[spice forum]

Did you kill or not not with the first shot of the magazine, if not apply 200% lucky shot to the next shot(s)

[true ivy]

i was kinda hoping it'd hold at the 200% LS and thus let you fire it off rapidly

oh

wait

why did you phrase it like that?!

i thought you meant that it reverted to the full magazine state

[spice forum]

no

It only cares about the first shot of the magazine

as I keep saying

Thats where it checks if you killed or not

0/1 is the same to it

[true ivy]

you said otherwise here, where you said you get the full mag effect from it

but

idk

brain no work

[shell patrol]

funny lizard or dragon

pick your poison

man what if freezing effect existed

[trim swan]

we don't need more things to break the game

[shell patrol]

everything is broken to the point its balanced

except melee!!!!!!!

buff melee when

[trim swan]

so just make it CoD Modern Warfare 2

[shell patrol]

the unwanted child of melee weapons

[trim swan]

I love how it's just

"Storm Chaser.png"

[shell patrol]

fr

doesnt even have any info

too funny

[trim swan]

it's only good for magazine size

[shell patrol]

fr

storm chaser mid

fire tower and FL are at least redeemable

man i love fire dragon

[carmine ermine]

Ironically it isn't. Endless "proves" that where only certain builds can even qualify for 100+ stages.

Some things are more broken than others.

[shell patrol]

thats fair]

i wonder if i can melee my way to 100+ staged

how many stages are there in one run?

i wonder

[carmine ermine]

16 total, not including intermission areas between acts.

[shell patrol]

are those counted in endless?

[carmine ermine]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I don't play endless.

[shell patrol]

@edgy lodge

nvm its sleepytime in uk

britain moment (IM ON THE FUCKING GRENADINES)

[trim swan]

I don't think there's a build for that

[shell patrol]

theres always the option of making a new one

ill think of something

probably will be FL with a bunch of RoF boosts

with bird most likely

[thorn socket]

Beat my first reincarn 9 today

[hoary badger]

What tao build is mostly used in r9 endless?

[thorn socket]

it was pretty broken the build i had.

but i goofed and died on the victory lap in desert

[shell patrol]

angelic aura and uhhh idk

ask teaa

[carmine ermine]

Macro Swords Out.

[dire jolt]

yo congrats on your first r9!

[thorn socket]

Yeeeee

I dunno if there's like a better way to do what I do, but I always try and build Sith Lord Sniper Cat, Skill Freak + high arc and Chain Lightning skills

[dire jolt]

i would've made the run work...

[thorn socket]

Though, lately ive been trying to get that one Blessing to apply all elements to enemies, but that's more RNG to get, after act 1 with each mushroom Man

[carmine ermine]

Just pick that one from the start using Lone Wolf.

[thorn socket]

I do Skill Freak from the sttart w/ lone wolf, should i do a 2nd?

It'd bump the difficulty as im aware, but so be it right?

[dire jolt]

i love difficulty

[carmine ermine]

The difficulty barely changes with Lone Wolf.

[thorn socket]

though im not even sure you can lone wolf select the elemental dmg one, can you?

[carmine ermine]

You get more enemies. That's pretty much it.

[trim swan]

Angelic Aura and Rainbow

[shell patrol]

is rainbow that good

[hoary badger]

what gemini tho

[shell patrol]

it cant crit can it

[hoary badger]

share mags?

[shell patrol]

yes

[carmine ermine]

Rainbow can crit, it just doesn't try to.

[shell patrol]

coiner 🤑 💸 💰 and soul essenc

lone wolf is free

[shell patrol]

you need to use the mark right

[carmine ermine]

That's a way to force it to aim at a weak spot.

But it can hit weak spots regardless.

It just doesn't try to.

Radioactive Gauntlet is the same.

Can crit, but the autoaim doesn't bother trying.

[shell patrol]

ig with counterv, penbullet and paranormality on diverging paths it should be good

but like

otherwise id go AA with accuracy+ stability+

just aim

[thorn socket]

OK neat, you CAN lone wolf Painkiller

[shell patrol]

i lonewolf battle scarred then get counterviolence

battle scarred FUCKS until endless imo

[true ivy]

the only blessings that can't be lone wolfed are, iirc, scrolls master and uhhh

the one that reduces cooldown for each elite/boss kill

maybe just scrolls master

[thorn socket]

Well im doing Endless J ourney rn

[true ivy]

and the exclusives obv

[thorn socket]

but i choose Skill Freak as well b/c the lightning build

Zappy Cat

[shell patrol]

field proficiency or whatev?

im p sure it can, no?

[true ivy]

probably

i know scrolls master can't be

[shell patrol]

not a fan of skills tbh

they seem quite weak

[thorn socket]

Idk, ive always known Lei Luo to delete stuff with chain lightning

[shell patrol]

i prefer building for damage or defense

[carmine ermine]

Scrolls Master, Royal Guard.

[true ivy]

royal guard? that's still a thing?

[carmine ermine]

It is.

[shell patrol]

whats royal guard

[carmine ermine]

Causes Elite Gatherings to appear at the end of act 2, 3 and 4.

[true ivy]

oh

i see why it never happens

Mysterious Jokul locks it on

[carmine ermine]

Mysterious Jokul modifier does that by default, so Royal Guard is completely redundant.

[true ivy]

so they remove it from the list

[shell patrol]

anyway counterviolence is a blessing everyone should have. its too fuckin good

[carmine ermine]

Scrolls Master because obviously it prevents you from restarting runs until you get 3 super awesome scrolls.

And requiring Spiritual Link to be active.

[shell patrol]

i should try counterviolence + painkiller sometime if i roll it

anyway, is it possible to rest before buying a blessing and reopen the game until you get the blessing you want?

[carmine ermine]

Yes.

It's unintended, but it works.

[shell patrol]

hell YEAH

fuckin awesome

[thorn socket]

cheese it brother 🧀

[shell patrol]

im a big fan of cheese

thats aweosme

time for battle scarred + counterviolence + painkiller + copycat

also wtf. apparently you can unlcok the next difficulty veen after only finishing duo fjord?

that makes my job a lot easier

[thorn socket]

For the longest time i always used to be really fucking low on soul essence... and now i have 5000

[shell patrol]

i spend it all

so i can only upgrade talents like once per run

smh

i should grind elite for soulessence

[thorn socket]

If i paused a run in single player, can I join someone else's game without my run being lost?

[shell patrol]

ooo good question

most likely yes

[trim swan]

Spores

Actually either spores or shared mag..

[thorn socket]

IVe never done spore gemini before, so i have no idea how busted or not theya re

[hoary badger]

Oh true, seeing spores is surprising

i never used it

[shell patrol]

is flamethrower spores any goof

if secondary has 1 projectile

[thorn socket]

Confirmed, if you join a grp with a saved run, it deletes saved run

[shell patrol]

spore gemini iirc divides dmg by total projectiles of weapons held then 20xs it

so like

idk why people recommend shotguns with it

hmm

Each shot will apply spores based on the number of projectiles on the other weapon, plus the number of hits with the shot itself.

When 30 spores are applied, spores are removed and damage is dealt equivalent to the base damage (including projectiles) of both weapons, divided by projectiles of both weapons and finally multiplied by 20.

Example: A Wild Hunt Wild Hunt has 80 damage and 12 projectiles (960 total) and a Scorching Rounds Scorching Rounds has 140 damage. 1100 damage total is divided by 13, then multiplied by 20 for 1692.3 base Spore damage.

If there are greater than 30 combined projectiles, remaining stacks of spore will carry over, possibly resulting in spores being triggered multiple times by a single shot.

Spores receive damage bonuses/penalties applied to the weapon, including weapon levels and inscriptions, but they cannot inflict Lucky Shots and Critical hits, or trigger special effects.

i dont get why not run 2 projectiles total and stack with a high rps weapon

for a 10x base damage

[carmine ermine]

Each shot will apply spores based on the number of projectiles on the other weapon, plus the number of hits with the shot itself.
Because this bit.

Having 2 x1 projectile weapons results in 2 spores per shot.

Having a shotgun offhand results in significantly more spores per shot.

More projectiles for the offhand also adds more consistency for when the explosions happen, instead of once every 15 hits or so.

Plus, shotguns have the highest damage per shot in the game.

Well, some do at least.

[shell patrol]

hmmm thats fair but high rps weapon to apply spores and low projectile for higher damage works as well?

[carmine ermine]

Works less effectively.

High RoF main hand, shotgun offhand.

[shell patrol]

i see

[trim swan]

oh my god, this scroll pickup I got

after the first boss

[carmine ermine]

Then you die to a Bandit Retainer.

[trim swan]

4 elite arsonists

close enough

[earnest minnow]

Is this gud for Gun Owl?

[meager plover]

Is there anyway to increase FOV past the maximum of 120.

[shell patrol]

wtf

dang

[shell patrol]

what the fuck

[earnest minnow]

Wat

[dire jolt]

:D did u do the manipulation thing i was talking about?

its just like what I did earlier XD

[earnest minnow]

Nah, i just bet my luck

[dire jolt]

xD

i showed a video on how i was getting my guaranteed scrolls. :p
@earnest minnow

im doing another fox endless run for lulz

and this thunderstorm i made on my previous run is SOLID @A@

[shell patrol]

moment

this fire dragon is straight up FIRE

[dire jolt]

everything got eviscerated @_@

[shell patrol]

LMFAO thats fucking sick

i love it

man i love shredding with fire dragon

[drowsy rock]

jesus fuck what kind of build is that

man plays like he got every enhanced scroll in the game

[dire jolt]

I meeeannn

scroll up a bit

[dire jolt]

I kinda almost am :p

[drowsy rock]

i know its endless but how

ah wait no i see

[dire jolt]

ill show u give me one second

[drowsy rock]

saw the vid

[dire jolt]

u gotta get a bit far in ur endless run for it to run smoothly to manipulate the enhanced scroll chest

u cant do it immediately

u gotta atleast get up to room 20+ and the chests start getting wonky

[drowsy rock]

also sidequestion, why shock gun on fox?

[shell patrol]

god i just got one of the flamethrower runs ever

only r8 left now

[dire jolt]

why not?

[drowsy rock]

valid

[shell patrol]

painkiller anyway

flame talisman FUCKS ngl

i love flame talisman

[dire jolt]

people told me using other elements is not the way to go..

[shell patrol]

i might try fox

[dire jolt]

i was like

BET

[shell patrol]

painkiller sfx

[drowsy rock]

homie really said "nuh uh"

[shell patrol]

fr

i just got one of the runs ever

[dire jolt]

when i play fox. i make sure we go ham

dont worry she's still procing elemental on fire

[drowsy rock]

i tried fox a few times but idk about her

[shell patrol]

i love fire

[shell patrol]

it gives me life

[drowsy rock]

maybe shes better with blessings?

[shell patrol]

i either run melee nona or flamethrower nona

[dire jolt]

98% chance on burning applied to the thunder storm

[shell patrol]

with pyro + flame talisman

its too funny

[dire jolt]

now it's a Fire Storm

[shell patrol]

firestorm real

[dire jolt]

you can say my play style is... pretty fire.

[shell patrol]

real

i love the fire dragon

ultra funny weapon

[drowsy rock]

man/girl is playing straight from hell

[shell patrol]

wait im uploading the vid rq

its too funny

[dire jolt]

[shell patrol]

ah fuck its processing up to hd

ykw

[dire jolt]

its just i noticed when i played an elemental build it strangely worked.. even when playing fox (instead of cat)

[shell patrol]

lemme just compress

LMFAOOOO

[drowsy rock]

i should be paranormality + flesh and bones gaming

[shell patrol]

I TRIED TO COMPRESS IT AND ITS FUCKING DOUBLE THE SIZE

[drowsy rock]

turn the game into tohou

[drowsy rock]

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

[shell patrol]

paranormality and penetration bullet

[dire jolt]

ah the fabled Instagib mode

[shell patrol]

lmao

[carmine ermine]

That's because multiple elements is almost always better than a single element.

[dire jolt]

uh oh u awakened 9314265068

[shell patrol]

i swear to god

[carmine ermine]

Personally I recommend corrosive weapons, or at least a corrosive offhand with element share for Fox.

[shell patrol]

https://youtu.be/dMA2N4gTnYg

there we go

its only SD atm tho so looks like shit

[dire jolt]

my friend has a elemental aura of venom with 100% element effect chance and that ish is at 112% elemental effect chance.... i want dat.

[shell patrol]

nvm

its in 1080p

heck yeha

[drowsy rock]

i really wanna try more heroes but i have no essence ever

[shell patrol]

ah yes

[drowsy rock]

i love quake pro

unironically slaps

[dire jolt]

i dig the quake fov

[shell patrol]

quake pro aint shit

i play at 150

[dire jolt]

someone knew

[drowsy rock]

one of my homies plays on 50 Fov in all games he can (and is mentally ill)

[shell patrol]

most quake allows is 130 or so

this is 150

we gamin

[dire jolt]

i have to play atleast above 130

i do that in all games including mmo's i play

i want as much fov as i can get

so i can see what's going on

[shell patrol]

yeah

same

i cant play sub 130

[dire jolt]

also i dont have a monitor that allows me to go above 130 like yours

[shell patrol]

im on a 15inch laptop screen

lul

i just changed fov in ingame files

[dire jolt]

ah

understandable then

[shell patrol]

check the other steam chat

on how

[shell patrol]

but yea this wasa fuckin awesome run

[dire jolt]

i wish i could copy my save file so i dont have to keep playing this solo run.. ;w;

oh well...

[shell patrol]

what the fuck

thats unplayable

bro got that tunnel vision

[dire jolt]

thats that cod low health fov when your entire edge and side screen is covered in red and black lol

[shell patrol]

lmfaooooooooooooooo

anyway why the hell is this one of my most viewed videos lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksEQG51VrVo

[dire jolt]

my cat is the spirit feline scroll.

[thorn socket]

I think i vastly misunderstood something, Lone Wolf, you only get ONE extra blessing? I thought it was like One Blessing for every player count you set it to, so then whats the point of setting it to 3, or 4? extra drops?

[earnest minnow]

Hmm, that's sound nice

[shell patrol]

lul

[shell patrol]

what the fuck

[drowsy rock]

this man plays jack-o?????

[shell patrol]

yeah

i main jacko

[drowsy rock]

homie got the whole roster to play and plays 25 second blockstring

[shell patrol]

lmfao

[drowsy rock]

tho i guess im also a strive player (jack-o players are a fifferent breed there)

[shell patrol]

yeah uh

strive and xrd jacko are VERY diff

jacko fucking sucks in strive imho

xrd jacko PEAK

[drowsy rock]

me and the homies 632146P

in pot we bust

if only i could pot buster in gunfire

[shell patrol]

shredding

[shell patrol]

BASED

pot is fucking based as shit

[drowsy rock]

i kara everything man

i kara my kara cancels

[shell patrol]

HAAANK IM FUCKING SCHREDDING

one of the runs ever. holy hell

[shell patrol]

speed

[trim swan]

Now become a speedrunner for this game

[shell patrol]

maybe

anyway, chatot, wanna play?

[trim swan]

No thanks

[shell patrol]

alr

[dire jolt]

I now have 30 minutes...

[carmine ermine]

Good GOD no. Even 1 blessing is enough to tip the balance in your favor, regardless of what player count you pick.

If you could start with THREE blessings?! You might as well just stick a big "you win" sign in the first room and call it a day.

[dire jolt]

the first room (Congratulations. You are too op.)

--game credits--

[shell patrol]

fr\

[thorn socket]

any other lazer cats out there, wanna help me with a different meta? ive been trying to do zappy boy w/ lightning + fire gemini, skill freak + high arc blessings, wondering if i should try sniper one-shot build, for reference trying to do R9 endless

[carmine ermine]

Snipers on R9 endless? Don't even bother.

Damage cap turns any one-shot build into "rapid fire build, but slower".

[thorn socket]

hmmmm

so what do? kinda wanna change up what i do so it doesn't get stale

[carmine ermine]

My advice? Don't do endless.

[thorn socket]

Like focus on certain gemini and/or blessings

[carmine ermine]

Endless massively restricts how many builds can actually work.

[thorn socket]

it do?

Guess im curious how, less you mean post act 4 boss

and even then im not even completely sure

[trim swan]

It restricts owl's cards pretty heavily so it's been taking me a while to find something that works with him on endless, I'll probably just try an angelic aura for him

[trim swan]

couldn't be Gunfire Reborn

[edgy lodge]

Having very unlucky runs THEN my headset decided to snap itself

What a brilliant fucking morning

[shell obsidian]

112%??

[shell patrol]

based Guilty Gear Gaming

[shell patrol]

oh man, not fun

lol. lmfao even

gunfire aint even on the list damn

[tulip steppe]

i think we could push those in #other-games or #off-topic

[shell patrol]

true

[karmic vault]

My shotgun acting kinda funny.

[tulip steppe]

peak projectile

[edgy lodge]

something wrong with your shotgun ngl

[karmic vault]

Hurts that I only got four lines on it, and it can't seem to get the if <50% magazine - +50% RoF and +.2 projectile line.

[dire jolt]

time to do a weapon search run

[shell obsidian]

Why is fvis 112% without any special modifiers on it making it so?

I see one reducing the fire chance but not one increasing it

[summer igloo]

Haha it was the daily challenge

Thought it would get some good reactions

Been doing daily’s. Trying to perfect the game achievement wise

[shell obsidian]

Oh the elemental daily, yeah that was insanely easy on Li with both the fire ones from the start lol

[dire jolt]

yeah no. i refuse to do endless for that long @edgy lodge

i had 48 minutes still

but i was like yeeaaahh no...

it was draining my sanity

and i was insanely bored

he was the result tho

99% enhanced run :p

[tall wolf]

what is the best build for the monkey? i am struggling to beat nightmare right now and i only play the monkey and the bird

[shell obsidian]

2 of my worst characters, so no clue

[carmine ermine]

Best build for the monkey if you have no idea what you're doing is probably just Essence Chain.

Get a pistol, pick blue ascensions. Spam secondary and occasionally primary.

[karmic vault]

Monkey sounds like he has the potential for insanity with curated weapon inscriptions but I am too small-brained to start figuring it out.

[summer igloo]

Monkey is easy, only go for ascensions in the middle tree (yellow ones), than use a gun with a lot of damage such as an Argus or wild hunt. Than scroll wise go for primary cooldown like magic watch, terrific crossfire, ect

That’s for his primary ability spam

[edgy lodge]

Yeah it's one big mental patience test
(Pinged wrong person, half asleep lol)

[edgy lodge]

New endless update soon? :0

[trim swan]

Booo

[karmic vault]

Does the fireball from the exclusive critical hit inscription count as an explosion?

[shell obsidian]

Finally I can actually play endless casually

For us non speed runners

[edgy lodge]

All I want is no timer ngl

[shell obsidian]

I want no goblet limit myself

But the timer being gone is definitely one of the higher up ones for me

[trim swan]

I'll say the problem wasn't really the timer but more so that endless restricts a lot of playstyles

and it'll just make it more of a grind fest rather than a challenge, which is what an endless mode is supposed to be

[tulip steppe]

lower hp scaling and increased DR would make it way better

[carmine ermine]

That's the sad thing though. All playstyles would be viable without the timer.

As long as you get 1 thing set up. Damage immunity.

[shell obsidian]

My play style was viable enough to go to level 13 with a timer, but now I won't run out of time at that level (woo!)

[tulip steppe]

something changed?

[earnest minnow]

wat

[trim swan]

don't know if it's confirmed but the Gunfire Reborn twitter made a meme tweet of the dude witht he two button choices, both of them have ao bai pressing both of them to remove the time limit and keep endless

so endless could have it's timer removed

[shell obsidian]

I'm still happy with timer limit being removed

Or WILL be coming soon

[carmine ermine]

Chatot is referring to this:
#1055550986292297838 message

[edgy lodge]

I would have been happier if there was some sort of timer but a lot better than what it was

literally the timer is the only thing I dislike, everything else is fine as is

[earnest minnow]

ahh the post on twitter

[earnest minnow]

Part of me will glad that timer got removed, part don't cause if stuck in case where we killed eniemies slow, we're gonna stuck in there for a long time

[shell obsidian]

I'd rather at least be able to continue if I'm determined, should an enemy end up being really tanky due to the modifiers

I've had enemies take a full 5 minutes because it had the worst possible modifier combos

[earnest minnow]

Yeah, sometime it's suck, especiallly when we're in a rush but the Phase stage said no

[shell obsidian]

I remember the enemy that killed one endless run for me was a really tanky non elite enemy funny enough

It was that one demonic aura where enemies get stronger modifiers the less there are

the last enemy left was one of the spearman, but I was so tanky it couldn't kill me, but it also took me a long time to kill it

I had spirit feline and a bunch of other stuff

[tulip steppe]

if thats the only change then i won’t play endless again

[earnest minnow]

If there's something i could agree on

Is that if timer is removed, most run that over 500 stages are just "normal"

Instead of something big cause you know how to run around the game to reach max damage and kept increase the timer

[edgy lodge]

I would definitely like to see maybe new stuff added to endless that genuinely disadvantages the player

[earnest minnow]

Ah i know, make them so strong that 1 touch instant dead...but that would turn Endless into a No damage gamemode

[edgy lodge]

Probably not that...

[earnest minnow]

Gun Li is good..just need either the Ring or Demon Lore

[shell obsidian]

I mean enemies being faster, more modifiers that add obstacles, etc is an option that is less ridiculous

[carmine ermine]

Don't worry, I can fix that for you. I'll add more changes.

Endless Fix Update
• Reincarnation
• Endless Journey
• Completely removed the timer. Players are no longer pressured to speedrun through the mode.
• Scroll cap reduced from 60 to 40. Every 10 stages the cap is further reduced by 1.
• Every 20 stages, 1 ascension level must be discarded.
• After stage 50, Craftsmen no longer appear. All weapons lose a level every 3 stages after Craftsmen stop appearing.
• After stage 60, goblets, weapons and scrolls can no longer be recycled, and all effects which stack from kills (Dual-Edge, Veteran, Easy Kill, etc) no longer continue to stack.
• After stage 100, Spiritual Remnants no longer appear. At stage 100 and every 100 stages after, a Spiritual Blessing must be discarded.
• Percentage damage including Miasma, Ice Blade and Poisonous Ghost (weapon skill) deals 1% less total damage every 3 stages. At stage 300+, they deal 1 damage.

• Ascension Adjustments
• Qing Yan
• Regen Hit:
Old: After a Leap, recover 40/100/100% Armor when hitting an enemy, or 20/25/100% Armor if it misses.
New: After a Leap, recover 40/60/100% Armor when hitting an enemy.
• Nona
• Shoulder Cannon Upgrade:
Old: Iron Wing - Fire Mode can launch 8/12/16 missiles from its shoulder cannons (CD: 20s/15s/10s). -1s cooldown for every missile launched by Nona or Iron Wing. Obtain 1 temporary shoulder cannon use after using Redeployment.
New: Iron Wing - Fire Mode can launch 10/15/20 missiles from its shoulder cannons (CD: 20s/15s/10s). -2s cooldown for every missile launched by Nona or Iron Wing. Obtain 2 temporary shoulder cannon uses after using Redeployment.

[shell obsidian]

I don't like those changes

[edgy lodge]

Same

Ngl

[shell obsidian]

Those all seem really bad

[carmine ermine]

It's got a Nona buff, so it should be fine. /s

[edgy lodge]

I would prefer enemies become stronger with modifiers, not "let's gradually lose everything in our run"

[edgy lodge]

[shell obsidian]

Yeah, why LOSE stuff?

That defeats the purpose of it

[carmine ermine]

That's the joke.

[shell obsidian]

I wnat to continue to get stronger slowly but enemies get stronger faster

[carmine ermine]

Give people what they want, while taking away so much more.

[earnest minnow]

If that happen tho

[carmine ermine]

It won't.

The devs wouldn't dare to even think about making things more restrictive for something people are complaining about.

[edgy lodge]

One good change would be that enemies no longer rely on the fortunes you set, they randomly get their own that doesn't screw them

[shell obsidian]

My current complaint are that I don't want extra challenge, I just want to play for fun casually with the ability to max goblets

[trim swan]

I like it, I love Nona buffs

[edgy lodge]

In terms of ascension cao and scroll cap on the player, it's fine the way it is
Sure an entire ascension board would look funny on a screenshot but that's it

[earnest minnow]

Nah, max goblets is something if you think again

[shell obsidian]

Re 9 is still easier than Nightmare, but I would still play endless on a lower difficulty if that option was there

[earnest minnow]

It's sure fun when have all Primary and Seacondary and Guns upgrade

But come to think of it

[shell obsidian]

Not just that, it would be more fun with certain combinations and you can just use any play style fine with everything maxed

Just casually swapping from skill play to weapon play and then back

Most of the time you need to put points into one or the other

[earnest minnow]

Characters strenght and weaknesses are bearly recognizable

[shell obsidian]

It is FUN to play with all goblets, but also flat damage increase from scroll selling is still more powerful

[earnest minnow]

It's does ngl

[edgy lodge]

The selling scroll thing needs a cap lol

[shell obsidian]

I'd rather the scroll selling buff have a cap than the goblets have a cap :P

[trim swan]

H

[shell obsidian]

Or rather the selling buff should be capped NOT the ability to gain ascensions

[earnest minnow]

If to think of, i would love to have Evolve Ascension more than all Goblets

[edgy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/agressive-h-letter-h-gif-27299127

[edgy lodge]

You're talking enhanced ascensions?

[earnest minnow]

Yes

I'm not asking too much but just come to think of it, sound funny to think what will Enhanced Unstoppable Momentum will do more than just increase damage base on how far you're leaping

[trim swan]

That'll make the game even more broken, Owl will just spawn in and room clear within a second

[shell obsidian]

I'm not sure how enhanced ascensions would even work, I think leaving enhancing to just scrolls makes sense as is

[edgy lodge]

They'll either be busted or be busted

And perhaps even busted

[shell obsidian]

Bustin' makes me feel [good/bad/indifferent/other] ♫

[edgy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/bring-it-gif-7518035495100341045

[earnest minnow]

It's could be fun if cat throw 1 grenade and it's explode all Fire +Corrosion +Shock

[edgy lodge]

That's called painkiller lol

[shell obsidian]

...so... pain killer?

lol

[edgy lodge]

[shell obsidian]

Yeah, I was about to say that's already a thing that exists

[earnest minnow]

Yes, in his Ascension why not

[edgy lodge]

Yea lol

[shell obsidian]

Seems kind of pointless to add a blessing also as an ascension

Blessings are available to everyone

[edgy lodge]

Painkiller:

[earnest minnow]

Imagine that happen, sad Painkiller noise

[edgy lodge]

Painkiller when it gets replaced:

[shell obsidian]

I use painkiller on Li sometimes, her skills have a high chance of applying fire so it works well still

I know it is better on the cat

but Li is more fun to play for me

[edgy lodge]

Painkiller with Zi Xiao is funny

Perfect Deck 3 gaming

[shell obsidian]

I don't really use it on Zi Xiao, cuz you need perfect deck to take full advantage

[earnest minnow]

Say like Zi Xiao reset scrolls right?

[shell obsidian]

Yeah?

[edgy lodge]

Yeah and even then you don't even need it unless you want elemental weapons

[earnest minnow]

What if a characters that reset guns?

[dire jolt]

lmao what

106% chance of elemental effect chance

[edgy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[earnest minnow]

Holy the chances

[shell obsidian]

Like... rerolls them into a random weapon?

[earnest minnow]

Yes

[dire jolt]

OH

[shell obsidian]

That doesn't seem super useful

[edgy lodge]

Rerolling guns will either be pointless or break the game entirely

[earnest minnow]

Cause if reroll insciption...sad Craftman noise

[dire jolt]

check out this sick thunder storm i made in my endless run yesterday

[shell obsidian]

Thunder Storm is love

Ooh, 3 exclusives too

and the third is the best one!

[edgy lodge]

If it rerolled everything then it's pointless
If it didn't reroll inscriptions, it's single handedly gonna destroy the game

[dire jolt]

this thing just straight up ONE SHOTS things when you're NOT in endless.

and early endless too

late endless it still melts them, but takes a tiny bit of time

[earnest minnow]

What guns that ya guys had the highest mag that you guys ever have?

[shell obsidian]

My ideal thunder storm would be Elemental Buff, Fire ball on Crit, Corrosion on Crit, Orb Penetrates enemies, and Double Elemental Affect Chance

[dire jolt]

this is my highest mag.

[shell obsidian]

I have yet to find one like that but I've been hoping

[edgy lodge]

Extended Big Hippo:

Actually star ring probs has more iirc

[dire jolt]

i made that. expanded big hippo

[shell obsidian]

Thunder storm is more fun for me though. Love the lightning arcs

[dire jolt]

but i gave it to Chatot

because Chatot is best fren

[edgy lodge]

Thunder storm is Wunderwaffe DG-2 if it was a good wonder weapon

[shell obsidian]

I remember I had a big hippo with all three elemental on crit things, and cuz the rapid fire it RAPIDLY applied them, but now that same thing can be better done by a revealer with the same modifiers

[earnest minnow]

This's the one i had

[dire jolt]

this was the hippo i gave em

i eventually rerolled it to mag share

it dropped like that

[dire jolt]

I wanna get an expanded storm chaser for the speeeed

[earnest minnow]

I could, i'm waitin for some 1 to hop in

[dire jolt]

this is my best elemental t-storm

[shell obsidian]

I want those modifiers, but on a revealer

[earnest minnow]

I don't like prism, but this one have balls

[dire jolt]

Holy Miasma, Batman!

[shell obsidian]

I'm neutral on it, neither like it nor dislike it

I tend to dislike most of the charge up time sniper weapons cuz I like to be able to aim and instantly release when I'm over the weak point

And half the time I forget I need to charge them when I'm wielding a sniper weapon that has that

Launchers with a charge time make way more sense to me

[earnest minnow]

Ahhh the Goshawk

[shell obsidian]

Yeah, there is a few, but Goshawk is one of the ones I dislike using

[dire jolt]

Weak points...? what's that?

[earnest minnow]

It's sucks when it's don't have the inscription where it auto crit

[shell obsidian]

Wowza

that's a lot of damage

[dire jolt]

doesnt even mention that mad lad RoF

:p

[earnest minnow]

You have Max level Fire Calling to enter Burn out or just use primary once to enter Burn out?

[dire jolt]

i just proc fireball to enter burnout and then i just go ham with my "fire" storm

[shell obsidian]

I still find it funny how despite playing this game for 2 years I STILL get lost after exiting vaults sometimes (the yellow dot can sometimes be misleading on certain maps since it is on other side of a wall)

[dire jolt]

it procs so much fire effect from my 89% fire tower that it virturally stays on forever as long as theres enemies

[earnest minnow]

Ahh i see

some1 wanna game?

[shell obsidian]

I got half an hour before I gotta sleep, so can't join any right now

[dire jolt]

also this was the t-storm in action on the clip.

its Agile, so crazy RoF

[earnest minnow]

ohkay~ have a gud night

[dire jolt]

along with even more RoF from the blue

[earnest minnow]

Decent guns

[shell obsidian]

Thunder storm once again showing why I love that weapon (and I use it on Lei Luo anyways despite some people telling me "but it sucks for him")

It's a favorite weapon of mine when playing Li

I had an 80% elemental affect chance one on Lei Luo, with Bolt from the Blue. Fire it, THEN activate primary skill... rapid thunder bolt call down

[dire jolt]

here was the run i eventually quit (i got mad bored. i gained +40 minutes and yeah it wasnt ever going to end.. and i wanted to play with friends so i killed the run lol)

[earnest minnow]

Thing that i don't bond too much for Riffles is that their accuracy are horrenduos when you jump once

Ask you to often time stand still for high accuracy...

But who stand still in a game where everywhere is dead zone?

[dire jolt]

funny enough i had a really nice build, but if I enhanced dormant bullet... it would've ruined it

[shell obsidian]

+300???

Is that the max level they can get?

[earnest minnow]

Yes

[dire jolt]

yes

[spice forum]

…

[shell obsidian]

Oh, highest I've ever gotten was +80, but I also never got far in endless due to not being able to deal with the timer

[earnest minnow]

This is the highest i could've reach

[dire jolt]

go awai. ur too powerful ;w;

im telling mom!

[earnest minnow]

Cause i frick myself for not taking Bloody ammo earlier

[spice forum]

Y‘all Ignoring the mightiest brick

[dire jolt]

shes gonna take your Foundry away for a week

[spice forum]

#hall-of-fame message

This brick is a pre endless run brick

[shell obsidian]

Brick brick brick birck brick brick kazoo sound It's fun

[spice forum]

you dont try hard ebough

[earnest minnow]

Brick

[spice forum]

The no loop brick is stronger

The Brickest Brick

[earnest minnow]

That brick is sure strong enough to defeat Goku

[drowsy rock]

brick players will eat brick irl to make it hit harder

[dire jolt]

pff its just a brick

[spice forum]

With nearly 16k Dmg

[earnest minnow]

[dire jolt]

oh yeah when i was playing with chatot we encountered a multiple brick with +1 projectiles

[shell obsidian]

On an unrelated note. Didn't they mention cosmetics for Gunfire Reborn coming soon?

[dire jolt]

3 for one special brick

[earnest minnow]

Wat!

[shell obsidian]

Wait... multi brick... how does that look being thrown? I've never had a brick with that

[dire jolt]

i just picture one brick and chatot using shadow clone jutsu on the brick

[dire jolt]

imagine seeing one brick.. but it hits you 3 times.. you dont question it.

[shell obsidian]

Aah, okay so no visual difference

[dire jolt]

u just accept the results of the pain that just hit you...

[shell obsidian]

Cartoonish 3 bumps stacked on head

[spice forum]

No ?

[shell obsidian]

Something about a character customization thing someone as a "Temporary mode"

It may have been something else I'm thinking of

[spice forum]

You are massively mixing things up

There is a timed event planned which involves customisation but never ever was it related to character custom

[shell obsidian]

Aah, so customization I was making assumptions on

I just imagined changing Lei Luo's hat and stuff like that

[spice forum]

And this is for a potential late December update

[earnest minnow]

Hmmm

Sound fun when Cat having Drip tho

[shell obsidian]

Lei Luo with one of those helicoptor hats or hats with the drinking straws and the can holders

Of course I'll always love Lei Luo's hat as is too c:

Love the goofy face and how his ears become the hat's ears too

It's a clever design

[dire jolt]

you should be happy that I got my foundry to +300 ;w;

[spice forum]

I am

300 just isnt the limit ;)

[dire jolt]

who cares

lol

[spice forum]

Well logical limit

technical is far away

[tulip steppe]

im happy that bird got nerfed atleast

[dire jolt]

lmfaoooo!

[carmine ermine]

Always will be.

[shell obsidian]

Bird nerfs don't affect me who doesn't play him \o/

[carmine ermine]

In case you don't know, the joke is referring to the fact that Birb is the only hero who seems to get actual nerfs that stick.

Despite the fact his damage is already the worst of anyone, and his defences are meaningless late in runs.

[shell obsidian]

It still surprises me he gets so many nerfs

[warm violet]

is the announcement true?

are there no more time limits?

or is it about an update in the future?

[carmine ermine]

We'll find out in an update in the future.

[warm violet]

oh, so it is still time limited now

[shell patrol]

christ

bird ascensions are hella fucking funny i gotta say

+150% damage to enemies within 12m like dang

[spice forum]

The community voice of it being time limited and only in R9 was heard and as they said will look into options to change that

[spice forum]

The community voice of it being time limited and only in R9 was heard and as they said will look into options to change that

[trim swan]

[twin kelp]

fkn bricked my endless journey by going lifesaver fortune, shit aint worth it

[edgy lodge]

that's one of the fortunes you never take lol

[karmic vault]

Anything that increases monster health or movement speed is big large ❎

[spice forum]

Any of those that give you revive / protection or regen are no go

even Fire Enthu can screw you over since it gives the enemies % regen

[true ivy]

ehh kinda, but it's not that huge

3% is, at the absolute most, 5 damage cap hits per second

(that's 3% of 2,147,483,640 health)

By the time that's possible, you probably were either already screwed, or you were already on your way to cruising through the rest of the game

Granted, EVERY enemy having that can add up

But I'm not really sure how far you would have to go to get even lantern spirits and such to have 2147483640 health

[spice forum]

Its 6%

For enemies they regen 6% HP per second if below 25%

above its 3%

[mossy knoll]

What's one of the better classes to play to feel like you're contributing in multiplayer? Been playing fox and, if all the stars align, my DPS spikes but eventually the Doggo just destroys everything in sight. Tempted to try grenade doggo with them (2 others; 1 always plays Nona).

[carmine ermine]

but eventually the Doggo just destroys everything in sight.
If this happens, there is literally nothing you can do to contribute.

The only thing you can do is reach a point where you destroy everything in sight, and then move faster than your teammates so they can't try to do the same thing first.

But that also results in pissing off your teammates, because they can't do anything to contribute, just like you can't right now.

[shell obsidian]

The cat for utility if you focus on freezing

I know a few who like to play the cat as support

[karmic vault]

I miss the double [quick reload extends magazine] stack

[earnest minnow]

[ivory parrot]

Your best bet is to not play multiplayer, or if you do, not play reincarnation levels

One of your friends will always be a dick and use some broken build

And then you and your other friends will trail behind like "Dude, fuck you"

[edgy lodge]

I literally avoid matchmaking on this game religiously

You'll always have 1 person just doing everything before you because they're tao or zi xiao, 1 will end up falling back so hard and you'll most likely be in the thick of it if you're not in those categories

I am not an average matchmaking enjoyer

[dire jolt]

lol its always bunny and zap kitty players who are so impatient

then there's me as im like "hehehe... enjoy your time on top for NOW..." (laughs in Thunder Storm)

[edgy lodge]

I refrain from matchmaking because it is so bad 😎

not once enjoyed it

[granite onyx]

personally i usually only play multiplayer

pretty fun with friends

[edgy lodge]

yeah it is fun with friends

not randoms in matchaking

[shell patrol]

I refrain from matchmaking because i cant find a single person after 20 minutes 😎

[trim swan]

you can still get some broken builds in normal, elite and nightmare

[carmine ermine]

Not nearly as many though.

And doesn't require nearly as much luck to keep up with someone luckier than you.

[trim swan]

which is why I said some builds

[carmine ermine]

Point is, still preferable regardless.

[trim swan]

yes

[shell patrol]

if youre doing fox

just

go flamethrower

it doesnt matter what your team is doing, peak strategy is just melt shit with flamethrower

note: counterviolence and CritX gemini are fucking insane with it

[carmine ermine]

If you team is doing what they said they're doing, you won't have anything to flamethrower.

Well, besides coins everywhere.

[trim swan]

solution

just don't play multiplayer unless you have friends who don't go for the broken builds every time

[mellow bear]

what if every friend goes broken build

[carmine ermine]

Same thing, just he who acts first, wins.

Whoever runs the fastest kills everything.

[mellow bear]

we had a 3p run last night where like 40 stages into endless we were all within 5 bill of each other

something like 56 bill 51 bill 54 bill

its definitely doable, but that was a rare instance lol

[carmine ermine]

Endless is slightly different because you can't just one-shot everything anymore.

But that just shifts it from "he who acts first, wins." to "he who fires fastest, wins."

[shell patrol]

this

[shell patrol]

the 300% movement speed:

just be fastee

wipe out shit before em

[carmine ermine]

Can't be faster if you don't get lucky.

[shell patrol]

fair

[carmine ermine]

Especially if you're using a short-range weapon.

Short-range is why Turtle isn't often someone destroying everything in sight, despite his speed.

[shell obsidian]

Two craftsman in one room??

Daily Challenge I notice also has more than one vault per level and sometimes 2 of same shop keeper standing next to each other

[carmine ermine]

Yep.

[shell obsidian]

Vlad's Dream... .5% life steal... already making me miss old sanguine lol

That .5% life still is STILL better than sanguine

Didn't sanguine used to be 2%?

[carmine ermine]

3%.

It works in Vlad's Dream because you don't have nearly as much time to scale your damage better than your HP.

In actual runs? Full heal every hit.

[shell obsidian]

Is... it now impossible to grab this scroll? The purple crystal appeared against the wall up there cuz my lightning auto killed it

I had the same thing happen with an enemy dropping a scroll on the roof of the high up building in the water area the other day

[carmine ermine]

Probably is impossible, yeah.

I guess they didn't think that far ahead when they added Transcendent Arsenal.

Pop it in #1060159100006178816

[dire jolt]

help me

my cat wont let go of my leg

[shell obsidian]

Posted

This is literally the highest you can get. You can jump onto the fire platform, but you can't actually get up to the ledge the enemies stand on since there is an invisible wall.

[dire jolt]

sadge :<

[shell obsidian]

I saw what scroll it was at least. It is brief respite.

[dire jolt]

we will never know what scroll

[shell obsidian]

I VERY briefly saw it when scrolling over it

but coudln't click fast enough

[dire jolt]

ooh

[shell obsidian]

That means it MIGHT be possible to grab?

But I can't consistently get it to show up

that's when perfectly jumping agianst the corner

[alpine oar]

for the owl u stop getting resets in the infinite thing???

[violet oxide]

new update

hmm

[shell obsidian]

Still capped goblets? Boo

[violet oxide]

it says only non boss enemies

i just started a run so we'll see

[shell obsidian]

OH

Wait, is there a chance to still get regular goblets??

If so that's exactly what I want

I'm gonna update and try this right away

[ivory parrot]

update time

[carmine ermine]

I almost don't want to even read the update notes.

I saw the words "Spiritual Blessing" and "Effect Adjustments" and just rolled my eyes.

[ivory parrot]

holy shit they nerfed li

[ivory parrot]

luwu fight was nerfed

Oh they buffed flame dance though

[shell obsidian]

Aww, they nerfed my favorite one

[ivory parrot]

Oh wow a li spiritual flame user

never seen one of these

[shell obsidian]

It's not really a speed runner thing, it's just a fun skill

[ivory parrot]

Raging inferno is everyones favorite Li blessing

[carmine ermine]

That's not a nerf.

[ivory parrot]

its not?

[carmine ermine]

It decays over time, but stacks faster.

[ivory parrot]

Ah

Yeah I just saw decay and thought "thats bad"

[shell obsidian]

Oh wait, it's a buff?

[ivory parrot]

I'd much rather have the og though

I hate temp buffs

[shell obsidian]

I might be misunderstanding it too

[ivory parrot]

I see now

[carmine ermine]

In effect, unless you're spending over 1.5 minutes out of combat, it's the same except you don't lose part of the bonus when you miss.

[ivory parrot]

but it stacks faster

[carmine ermine]

And if you do take so long that you reset it, well Spiritual Flame is 100% spammable.

[ivory parrot]

they added the discord stickers to the game lmao

[shell obsidian]

Also they kept the old endless mode

along with the new one

So I can just not do the old one anymore lol

[carmine ermine]

For some reason they added a que to R9 Endless Journey, as if they don't think everyone will immediately abandon Endless Journey and move over to Boundless Dream.

[ivory parrot]

nah players love playing on the "hardest difficulty"

their monke brains can't comprehend that reincarnation 9 isn't the hardest mode even though it's the last one

[carmine ermine]

They love playing on the "hardest difficulty".

They don't like timers.

[ivory parrot]

Oh boundless removes the timer?

Ok so they'll be playing R8 then

[carmine ermine]

Unless R9 deliberately prevents Boundless Dream from working, they're moving to it.

[ivory parrot]

good ol throwback thursday

[shell obsidian]

I mean I fully realize nightmare is harder. it's just not as fun to me

[trim swan]

I can side with this

[ivory parrot]

cuz you don't get to absolutely destroy anything in your way lategame

[ivory parrot]

I agree with it too

However, a lot of people don't realize that nightmare is the hardest

[carmine ermine]

If the update notes are any indication, they also removed the scroll cap, and ascensions from goblets in boss stages will give new ones, not replace existing ones.

[trim swan]

I just like breaking games because of the mechanics they put in place

[shell obsidian]

Yeah, I'm about to test that

[ivory parrot]

I don't see a scroll cap on my current endless r9 run

[shell obsidian]

I REALLY hope that means I can (eventually) cap all goblets for casual play

[ivory parrot]

but I started it before I updated

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[carmine ermine]

Endless Journey has a cap of 60 scrolls.

Non-cursed ones at least.

[shell obsidian]

boundless dream = what I thought endless was originally gonna be

Now I'm hyped

[ivory parrot]

No I don't see that

I'm holding c and its gone

[carmine ermine]

In your inventory.

[ivory parrot]

No I know

[carmine ermine]

Should see something like (X/60)

[ivory parrot]

but if you hold c it would say like 24/60

yeah thats gone

oh I see nvm

[trim swan]

did they remove the 32 bit integer? This was at 2.1 billion before

[shell obsidian]

boundless doesn't cap scrolls

[ivory parrot]

idk why they removed it (the one when you hold C)

[shell obsidian]

endless does

from what I am seeing

[ivory parrot]

which number was at 2.1 billion

[trim swan]

highest damage delt

[carmine ermine]

Now I shall wait for the new meta to arise.

[ivory parrot]

if you're talking about highest damage dealt 2.143 million * 1000 = 2.1 billion

they just changed the format

[carmine ermine]

I really hope it's "Miasma or bust".

Just so everyone can cry out and complain that 95% of builds suck.

[ivory parrot]

cuz they do

[trim swan]

kinda stupid tbh but aight

[ivory parrot]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[trim swan]

I still have screenshot of proof so it's really nothing much

[ivory parrot]

proof of what?

that still says 2.1 billion

[trim swan]

wait a min

that's really confusing to look at but I undertsand it now

[ivory parrot]

yeh

[edgy lodge]

gonna be trying this boundless dream out

I assume this is just endless without the timer?

[carmine ermine]

Based on the update notes, it's got:
• No timer
• No scroll cap
• Ascension gain every boss defeated
• Availability on all Reincarnation levels

[mellow bear]

I’m just glad they kept the timed mode

[edgy lodge]

So endless is kept the way it is? and boundless dream is endless without the changes?

I am still doing it on Reincarnation 9 lol

[carmine ermine]

Yeah, they apparently kept Endless Journey intact, something I was proven wrong about, but honestly doesn't change much given they made the game easier in the traditional ways regardless.

Just throwing this out there, but I give it 3 days, a week tops, before someone complains about Boundless Dream being boring because the enemies get too tanky.

[shell obsidian]

People complain about that even with the timed mode

It'll happen regardless

[edgy lodge]

yeah I saw the blessing changes
Crown Prince is now even more broken by the sounds of it
Elemental damage won't be affected by the defense type
(Unless they changed it to elemental damage now is affected by DR?)

[carmine ermine]

I know, but now more people can experience it.

And more people can suffer from it for what it is, rather than being a blockade with the timer.

[edgy lodge]

Well I mean,Endless/Boundless follows the route of how CoD Zombies worked
enemies are SUPPOSED to get stronger every round, forcing you to try and improve your build where possible

[carmine ermine]

Death immunity is death immunity.

Achieve that and you only have to worry about how bored you get killing enemies that take longer and longer to die.

Or use Miasma, either one.

[shell obsidian]

Alright, I'm in the final area of the regular game, so about to go to the area after and confirm the goblet thing when I reach the boss after this

Oh, it has vaults too

nice

[tulip steppe]

@edgy lodge on in a bit to check it out

[edgy lodge]

niceee

[shell obsidian]

CONFIRMED

I got the goblets

no need to replace

Okay, I am happy :D

[tulip steppe]

@edgy lodge on

[edgy lodge]

oh shoot I can't vc rn everyone is asleep

[tulip steppe]

ah

[carmine ermine]

Oh wait a minute.
Combat Elite blessing increases explosion damage in general. This also includes Atomic Dog.

Prepare for Atomic Dog to deal like... up to +250% total damage. Even more with the spiritual link.

[edgy lodge]

new smogbound zone is perfectly balanced-
(overused sentence I know)

[carmine ermine]

Hmm... probably the closest thing to a blessing nerf in this update would be... either Elemental Maestro (assuming the description is accurate), or Mecha Crash.

Elemental Maestro because losing its guaranteed elemental effects and theoretically losing all elemental advantages might just be stronger than the total elemental damage bonus from Painkiller'ing enemies.

Mecha Crash if you use don't use a pistol, and possibly still if you use a particularly weak and/or low hit count pistol.

I can just imagine Aura of Venom Nonas going around using Mecha Drop, blasting enemies with Aura of Venom's weapon skill, immediately recovering all of Mecha Drop's cooldown, then repeat.

Offhand Fire Tower with Elemental Share ascension and you're golden.

[tulip steppe]

trying it atm but not doing AoV, thinking harder hit maybe sunder?

also Elemental Maestro is way better now

[carmine ermine]

Sunder or Cloud Weaver were also on my mind.

Cloud Weaver is there just because you keep hitting enemies.

Actually, Star Ring is probably the best.

You can hit many enemies at once with each "shot", which also greatly recovers the cooldown.

Though it really depends on what Mecha Crash considers to be a shot.

[mellow bear]

This is what I’ve been saying lmfao

[shell obsidian]

I wasn't even aware there was a copper cap before now

Weird number for it

65535?

[carmine ermine]

16 bit integer limit.

[shell obsidian]

Aah

[carmine ermine]

Before endless, it didn't matter 99.9% of the time.

[shell obsidian]

Oh, this is a first. I got every curse at once lol

The curse chests are just droppong the curses on the ground instead now

[edgy lodge]

Ok uhhhhh

There is no scroll cap

and vaults still appear in Boundless

[shell obsidian]

Mhm, and it eventually ends up giving you same scrolls you already got

which I already encountered

[edgy lodge]

dang lol

I am gonna push this mode too lmao

[shell obsidian]

I consider this mode the sandbox mode I wanted lol

[edgy lodge]

Now bosses will drop goblets that add to your power

if you go long enough (which I will) Ou can have every ascension

[carmine ermine]

Assuming you only have the 15 guaranteed ascensions (including the ones from Mysterious Jokul), you would need to kill another 33 bosses to max out on ascensions, which is an average of endless stage... 132? Something like that.

[shell obsidian]

That's my current goal

[round thunder]

Another update in which the reroll of spiritual remnant still costs soul essence.

New endless mode sounds very promising though and the remaining changes sound exiting

[shell obsidian]

There is no reason NOT to grab ascension fusions in this mode

[carmine ermine]

Oh whoops, forgot those.

Stage 156 for all ascensions, at most.

[edgy lodge]

I didn't really take any because I wasn't aware that there wouldn't be an ascension cap

[shell obsidian]

I took one, but now wishing I took 2 lol

[edgy lodge]

Also Crown Prince rework on blessings is unbalanced

Like, jesus...

Thunder Storm doesn't do the funny anymore but I still use it

I'm literally killing everything in split seconds with millions of damage

[shell obsidian]

Break the ice is now way less intimdiating

But I'm gonna avoid it anyways cuz I am pretty sure I have almost every scroll lol

[round thunder]

do any of you get this bug where sometimes the game just has no sound? it's usually fixed on closing and restarting the game

[shell obsidian]

I had a bug where the game had no sound at all, but verified integrity of game files and it fixed it. Probably not the same bug though.

[round thunder]

Hmm. Next time I close the game imma verify the files

[shell obsidian]

Level 97 I FINALLY get extravagant consumption

Had dual edge for a while, but would have been nice to have that one way earlier too

Officially got every goblet for Lei Luo

I made the mistake of only grabbing one ascension fusion though

Whoa, clicking the goblet auto recycles it now lol

Doesn't even pop the menu up

Also it says it in Chinese

I'm assuming that says recycle or something

[carmine ermine]

#1177132875066388561 for that one.

[edgy lodge]

I not long got Dual Edge and Extravaggant Consumption
and even before then, Crown Prince's blessings are so stupid

I can't wait to see how it performs at the DR cap

[shell obsidian]

I'm gonna start a new one and grab 2 ascension fusions this time instead of 1 but... not tonight, cuz I gotta sleep soon

[edgy lodge]

Because of his rework, I am now convinced Crown Prince is the best character in the game

[quick ember]

I'm not sure where to ask since I just joined the server but what exactly does recycling goblets do? My friends and I couldn't figure out what the extra bonuses were...

[shell obsidian]

Reduced cooldown of primary skill, increased over all damage

[edgy lodge]

uhhhhhh

the timer reset at round 91

I think it is because I backed out and went back in

to clarify I mean the overall game timer

[edgy lodge]

I am not at the health cap but given that gluttony's shield at round 160 something is at 6 billion, something tells me they won't cap no more

[tulip steppe]

photo

[edgy lodge]

I forgor to take photo and won't be able to until monday

At 170 his invincibility attack grants him 7 billion shield

idk if Damage Cap is still damage cap idk

I am going for 1000 again btw

No paranormality

The only fortune the enemy has is Coin Shot and that is nothing really

(for them)

[shell patrol]

uodate hell yeah

melee endless time

[shell patrol]

gotta check den

[edgy lodge]

Will try and find out

[tulip steppe]

why is glimmering exploding +1 times per bounce?

[tulip steppe]

its still 10mil

[edgy lodge]

Oh fairs

[shell patrol]

awww

:(