Steam 2

[modern pendant]

as a person with 126 hours on the game and 1 million frame, i can proudly say i havent beaten nightmare difficulty yet

[carmine ermine]

Understandable. It's the hardest difficulty in the game.

[stiff comet]

i cant find a use for the new circluar saw weapon to be useful as a main weapon on reincarnation 9 (2 player). imma try some more stuff but it feels so bad

[modern pendant]

what how so?

[carmine ermine]

Higher difficulties get you killed faster, but you can kill enemies way, WAY faster.

Aside from you not knowing what is good to take and not noticing an enemy before it's too late, combat is significantly easier to win.

[ember kayak]

I knew I wasn't crazy. Spiritual and Bizarre Dream definitely makes the difficulty less of an issue.

I will admit, it's more of a fun difficult, than anything.

Nightmare definitely felt like the big hurdle, and then R1-7 was pretty smooth so far.

[tender flax]

So, does etching a weapon in the arsenal make it go back into the arsenal if your whole squad gets wiped? And what happens if your arsenal is already full?

[spice forum]

You mean imprint , right ?

Etching is at the craftsman for inscriptions

And if you mean imprinting :
It leaves a ghost copy of it in the storage , so it doesnt create an empty slot.
You just borrow it from there
Its insurance

150 Essence cost

[stiff comet]

i find R9 harder than nightmare when playing multiplayer

[tender flax]

yes imprint mb

I see ok thanks

[stiff comet]

but single player R9 is easier imo

[carmine ermine]

Multiplayer is slightly different, because on R8/R9 enemies get +400% HP per extra player instead of +200%.

So it genuinely is harder to just kill enemies before they kill you.

[stiff comet]

can i remove talents? besides making new account?

[carmine ermine]

No you can't.

[stiff comet]

😦

while i got you here id like to see if you have any idea. i feel like the circular saw gun has no damage. am i doing something wrong or is the gun trash?

[carmine ermine]

I haven't used it.

I don't even have it unlocked.

[stiff comet]

like i just cant find a way to use it. i deal no damage and just die due to having to use the forward momentum all the time

oh lol. its one of the only guns i cant find a use for at all besides the movespeed utility

[edgy lodge]

It's a melee, you get up close to deal damage

[carmine ermine]

I wonder if it can even stagger enemies.

Haven't seen it in action so couldn't be certain, but I wouldn't put it past it due to its higher RoF.

[tender flax]

Does skill dmg affect how much dmg iron wing does?

[versed fox]

yes

[ember kayak]

I've used the saw twice for combat (I tend to already have a build when I find a decent one, however), it doesn't do crazy damage, but its fast damage can be useful for stacking inscriptions.

Its speed is typically why I pick it up, though.

I can't recall if it staggered, as these were namely Elite runs, so enemies just keeled over and died anyways.

[spice forum]

I ticks fast but I wouldnt call the dmg low, thats still 200+ base dmg with a decent hit speed similar to other rifles and smgs

Also I used Ao Bai and Dual Wielded them

On R9 with Crit Blessing

[ember kayak]

I mean, that probably helped.

As I said, I haven't gotten much time on them, yet. I imagine if I built around it, I could easily make it shred.

[modern pendant]

why is nightmare considered harder than reincarnation? I havent beaten it yet but someone told me it was the hardest difficulty

[carmine ermine]

You literally received an answer to that, 2 hours ago, in this very channel.

[modern pendant]

oh i missed it then

[modern pendant]

oh i didnt see this messages when i was scrolling through it sorry

[oak veldt]

i mean R9 isnt really hard if you just play through it once, but the looping mode in combination with the Timer make it probably the hardest gamemode available rn

if you dont sleep on geminis Nightmare is just free even if you take 4 players with you and 3 are afk

Coop scaling for high reincarnation runs is really funny tho

[carmine ermine]

I'd imagine it's only hard because you've got a timer. Not because you're at risk of dying.

[oak veldt]

well putting a time pressure on someone creates a need for rushing

if you rush in you die quicker

unless you get Spiritual Feline or Ethereal Feline which is the case in most runs

but its hard to define difficulty in gunfire depending on what youre looking for

[carmine ermine]

Which is still only caused because you've got a timer.

[oak veldt]

is an enemy with 8000000000 billion health called difficult? Or is it just a time waster of a bullet sponge

is an enemy with 1 hp but dealing 1000000 damage to the player in a rapid succession difficult?

[carmine ermine]

Oh and technically the timer doesn't even force you to rush anyway, since you can still hit a victory screen even if you take forever.

You'd only rush for bonus points and extra time for more bonus points.

[oak veldt]

well yesnt imo the goal if you activate looping is to atleast finish another full run before ending the game

[carmine ermine]

So effectively, Endless is only difficult in the sense that you want to be reckless, which is a self-imposed challenge no different to restricting yourself from using certain things at the very start of a run.

[oak veldt]

• it should be changed that if you run out of time before leaving on your own or dying to be challenge failed instead

its not a win if you didnt end it by your own choice or by ending a full run

but thats just my personal take on it

but id also highly approve if the timer would be a toggle-able feature as like a modifier to choose from in the lobby cause sometimes map layouts really force you to lose time or atleast change the amount of time added by the map youre playing on

bigger map = more time and obviously a smaller map awards less time

it feels so horrible to get 3-4 elite checks in one map just to get 40 seconds back

[oak veldt]

yeah dont worry i know what you mean

[pearl kite]

[wide gyro]

how to imprint the weapon ? i have lost ton of weapon and still can't find where to imprint it to asernal

[ember kayak]

I believe clicking on it at the Arsenal Guard should pop up a button that says "Imprint" for about 150 essence.

[wide gyro]

Thanks, ill try it

[alpine oar]

o wait theres a steam 2... should i have posted it here?

[wise idol]

monke

[modern pendant]

i needa beat the game with tao, xing zhe, zi xiao and nona for achievements, which character do i start with?

[carmine ermine]

Nona. She's pretty much the easy hero.

[pearl kite]

i think her bot is also very helpful at keeping her alive compared to the other ones

[carmine ermine]

Then you can go slightly harder with Mr. Card Spam, Monke and finally the weak-start Tao.

[pearl kite]

[edgy lodge]

[modern pendant]

i died on stage 4 just now

am i able to see what i died too after the game?

[pearl kite]

[edgy lodge]

[pearl kite]

[edgy lodge]

[pearl kite]

[edgy lodge]

[pearl kite]

[edgy lodge]

[pearl kite]

[edgy lodge]

[pearl kite]

[edgy lodge]

He die

[pearl kite]

[oak veldt]

interesting conversation here ngl

[pearl kite]

[oak veldt]

[pearl kite]

[oak veldt]

[pearl kite]

[oak veldt]

[pearl kite]

[edgy lodge]

[pearl kite]

[pearl kite]

And remember guys

Tax Evasion is nothing bad as long as you dont get caught

[oak veldt]

You can only see it ingame the moment u get downed it shows you what dealt the finishing blow and how much damage it did. From my experience its really inconsistent and partially doesnt even make sense so i wouldnt rely on that at all regardless. For completing runs with all characters if you have no clue what each character is capable off or should be built around i can recommend you to play in Reincarnation 1 the access to Blessings grants you an insane advantage by having near Nightmare levels of enemy scaling (ofc if you have R1 unlocked and are willing to spend soul essence on these blessings) other then that just play on normal if you have access to etching i can recommend going for a spore setup. Spores absolutely demolish Normal Elite and Nightmare even if your character isnt built to be a weapon specialist.

[modern pendant]

what are spores or a spore build?

[oak veldt]

Uh before that then the question do you have the talent "Legendary Craftsmen" that allows you to etch weapons at the smith

[modern pendant]

yes

im level 181 and havent beaten nightmare, i feel ashamed

[oak veldt]

You shouldnt its all about experience

And Gunfire has a lot of things you need to know before u can get consistent with your runs

So to explain Spores you know what Geminis are right?

[modern pendant]

yeah i know most stuff just that i suck in general, most of the time dying to my own stupidity

[modern pendant]

yes

[oak veldt]

Alright you know how to etch geminis onto your weapon?

[modern pendant]

yes

[oak veldt]

So basically the way spores are used is your primary weapon for the run is a rapid fire rate weapon such as ideally Rainbow (its sorta the best weapon for it if you want to be lazy) Rad Glove etc you can also use angelic aura for example but that requires aiming xd anyway second weapon should be a shotgun argus is probably stat wise the best one with wild hunt and Hell

You want on both weapons the gemini "On hit plant a spore on an enemy" pretty much what that does is for every hit your rainbow does you add X number of stacks (depending on the Projectile count of your shotgun) to an enemy if that stack counter hits 30 you deal the secondary weapons (so in that case argus wild hunt hell etc) full weapon damage + all scrolls that buff its damage in a "spore burst"

And well these spores pop about 4-6 times fairly easily a second with rainbow + shotgun setups

It results in a pretty mad dps especially for lower difficulties

If youre online rn i can also show u that stuff ingame if you want ^^

[modern pendant]

i am online but i was js about to play with my friend so i can afterwards

but

on hit when i plant a spore by shooting them with my rainbow in this case it will spawn spores based on how many projectiles the shotgun shoots?

[oak veldt]

Well yeah uhm to explain this proper you get 1 spore explosion for every 30 stacks filled

[modern pendant]

ahhh alright

well ill try to do that rn then

thanks

[oak veldt]

So lets say for example you have an argus with 15 projectiles

And you hit an enemy twice with your rainbow you plant 30 stacks and 30 stacks are 1 spore explosion

[pearl kite]

[modern pendant]

is there a way to guarantee getting a gemini from etching?

[oak veldt]

yes thats why i asked before if you know how to

either a weapon must have 4 inscriptions beforehands or level 5

[pearl kite]

[icy current]

hiiii steam 2

[pearl kite]

[stiff comet]

@carmine ermine ok this one is interesting. so does money's crudgel get increase skill damage when using an explosive weapon?

because eplosives get bonus damage from skill damage right?

and crudgel is based off the gun....

so maybe skill damage counts?

[carmine ermine]

It does.

Still doesn't count as inflicting skill damage, though.

[stiff comet]

so it effect ALL properties including 100% crit from deadly counter?

[carmine ermine]

Most weapon-based effects, yes.

[stiff comet]

the draon breath rocket launcher cant get crit gemini?

that really sucks

[carmine ermine]

It can't crit.

[stiff comet]

deadly counter

thunder cat with gradual improvment with deadly counter can 1 shot the act 3 boss on R9 multiplayer

also rocket launchers used to have that gemeni a while ago. it felt like one of the only ways for them to be good

Also spirit blessing for 50% crit chance

Without that 10x crit damage rocket launchers go back to sucking imo

[spice forum]

Dude

If you mean CritX gemini for launchers…

That was removed a LONG time ago

not a while XD

[summer igloo]

dude the monkey is wild

first time playing that character while helping some randos get through nightmare. Cant wait to max him out on r9 endless

[edgy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/mmmm-monkey-monkey-ug-master-oogway-oogway-gif-19727561

[drowsy rock]

can i somehow change the size of the weapon model?

or just disable the weapon on my screen entirely?

[drowsy rock]

viewmodels, thats the word i was looking for

[spice forum]

nope

[drowsy rock]

what a bummer

the weapon covers a big part of the screen and feels large on high FOV

personal preference i guess?

[modern pendant]

i had an insane run, everything going well, spore build with a fire dragon, i beat the ship boss on stage 3 and dropped my spore gun for a gun with more bullets per shot in hope that i could reforge it into a spore gun because it shot more bullets, lost all my dps and died on stage 4

[edgy lodge]

Should've used the backup weapon system :(

[oak veldt]

I really dislike that modifier tbh just ruins the chances for extra goblets/scrolls and its not like you cant get a decent weapon every run regardless might not always be the same but if it works it works xd for spores i would just look for a rainbow or rad glove from the start of the game wasting money into a weapon that i know wont cut it isnt an investment im willing to take rather struggle for 1-2 more stages and get a more desired weapon for it

[edgy lodge]

What

[oak veldt]

Hm?

[edgy lodge]

Just a random reply to me lol

[oak veldt]

Well it was a 50/50 reply one towards the modifier from what you said and the other half to paul xd

[stiff comet]

That’s the last time I used launchers

How do you use launchers without critX? They feel so bad

Ok so how do you use a tiger shark effectively on R9 multiplayer. Compared to let’s say an illusion. How can the rocket launcher ever compete?

Gun damage skill damage are both additive right? Then multiply lucky shot and crit. What else can you do for more damage on rockets?

Cause with just that it feels weak

[still kettle]

Honestly

really fucking proud of myself

[edgy lodge]

You should be :)

[dry hull]

had the most insane endless journey run tbh

[edgy lodge]

Very cool friend :)

also I just got hit with the luck of luck with Effective Split
Coin Shot and Spirit Feline

[dry hull]

you love to see it

new thunder storm is probably my favorite gun

[spice forum]

It is a bit strong , by technicality it is the second launcher that can crit

[edgy lodge]

gotta revert to previous save because I got gang banged by Itchy and his pals

[dry hull]

[oak veldt]

Wait thunder storm got reworked?

[wise idol]

yep

now the primary fire has been replaced by the weapon skill

[oak veldt]

Damn totally missed out on that i just saw recently cause i picked up Justice that he got reworked aswell xd

[wise idol]

and the plasma thingy now continosly zaps nearby enemies

[oak veldt]

I see hm gotta give it a shot sometime

[wise idol]

and the zap can cause crits

[valid matrix]

it's basicly a BFG now

not that OP, but still pretty good

[modern pendant]

finally beat nightmare with my broski

i didnt know that i was able to fight gluttony, i thought he was only in spiritual assault

[oak veldt]

Gratz

[modern pendant]

spore build worked well is all i can say 👍

[oak veldt]

Glad to hear it could help you out ^^

[stiff comet]

i dont know what is considered a very good run but this is my best. i almost never play single player so thought i would do 1 tryhard run

any way didnt get 100 billion damage like i hoped but 87 billion is good too

[supple wind]

Are the other 2 spiritual Assault maps coming in the future or no?

[carmine ermine]

I think how unpopular the game mode was ended up shifting the focus of updates.

Though I definitely can't say for certain, they might not come at all. Especially since Endless Journey now exists and is getting flamed even harder.

I'd imagine this would now be the dev's top priority because a lot of people are pissed off that they got a facade of what they wanted for a game that couldn't realistically handle its existence.

[acoustic zephyr]

Imma be honest, the Crown Prince reminds me of the character Kay from Legend of Kay.

[edgy lodge]

Nah I don't think so, they were going to but yeah I don't think SA is popular enough

Would be cool to see the Longling Tomb and the Jokul

Mid Fjord is really fun and anxi desert is the opposite imo

[carmine ermine]

Oh right, that reminds me.

Longling Tomb and Hyperborean Jokul also suffer from a severe lack of elite enemy variety. So they'd also have to develop new elites too or else risk the maps being stale when it comes to harder enemies.

[strange anchor]

or just use enemies from other stages
I don't think people would mind them being mixed in a gamemode that has you sit in the same map for 30 mins

[edgy lodge]

I personally would love an endless arena where you fight all sorts of enemies from different stages

[carmine ermine]

What's the point of making themed maps if it doesn't use themed enemies though?

There could be a map that includes all enemies, but if a map is based on Longling Tomb, you expect Longling Tomb enemies.

[edgy lodge]

I think there is only like 3 elites in Longling Tomb iirc?

The beetle, spearman and horsehead

[carmine ermine]

Yep. Jokul is even worse with only 2.

[strange anchor]

just make an unthemed map

[edgy lodge]

oh yeah Jokul has 2 lol

[edgy lodge]

Yeah like I said I would love an unthemed endless arena

[carmine ermine]

To compare, Anxi has 5 elites, and Fjord has 6.

[edgy lodge]

Fjord doesn't use the Elite Kappa or the Fiddler Crab for Spiritual assault, but idk if they do in co op bc I know the game works a bit different in co op

Elite Longbowman would be everyone's nightmare lol

[oak veldt]

I mean it would heavily depend on how strafeable the projectiles going to be if it limits you to a required movement speed to even be able to dodge them hell nah if its doable on base movement speed i wouldnt see a reason not to add it tbh

[supple wind]

I mean... 3 elites is perfectly fine. Considering the final waves only spawns 2, then 3 elites, it would be fine to spawn them all. Not only that, sometimes the final wave in Fjord will literally spawn 3 elite yakuzas lol

For me, I'm in it for the hoard enemies

The other levels serve to have such a unique variety of enemies, but when I'm playing that mode sometimes I prefer a bit of cohesion on how to fight the enemies which the first area would have nicely

Tbh I don't even care about the jokul, I just want the tomb lol

[dry hull]

the more I play other characters the more I realize how good crown prince is

he just feels so consistent to me

even without easy mode crown prince (painkiller)

I feel since he has guaranteed corrosion, stacking just one elemental effect on top of that isnt really that hard

[oak veldt]

issue is probably that IF they release a new map im pretty confident Jokuls going to be first due to the... "simple" nature of the Jokul maps just an outdoor winter without too many details meanwhile the tomb would just require pretty much an entire tunnel system to function xd atleast i think that they would start off with the "easier landscape"

[supple wind]

That is fair actually...
It WOULD make more sense to have the original 3 maps in first before the map that was added in later but I can't deny jokul would be easier to model...

I mean for Pete's sake, the tomb is the first map players familiarize themselves with in this game and is the level you get to get stuck on, but I can't play it in SA

[oak veldt]

tombs giving me flashbacks to when i started the game where i was just stuck for ages and finally managed to get into the desert after like 5-6 hours playtime to be fair the game feels a lot easier compared to when it was released can even see that on mobile xd

literally took me back then almost 40-50 hours to max out the oldest version of the talent tree which was somewhat around level 110 iirc? And on Mobile i got like 160+ in less then 10 hours playtime

to be fair the decaying mechanic of the soul essence back then was hella awkward to deal with if you had a hard time to begin with cause traits would simply outscale your soul essence income and the trait to "keep some of your soul essence" wasnt an early option to go for i probably lost hundreds if not thousands due to that mechanic back then just in my leveling process xD

[wheat trench]

[silent magnet]

Why is stage 494 inaccessible? There’s no point in having a “highest stage” leaderboard if you cap the stage number

[carmine ermine]

There was never a point in having a "highest stage" leaderboard. Ever.

Even with the timer in place, people were capable of gaining time instead of losing it.

Saw one guy who had 60 minutes instead of the starting 10.

You could literally keep going forever.

[oak veldt]

I mean technically you could make it work if you forbid certain characters that have access to percentage scaling true damage or in general damage based on the enemies health

Cause at that point it would just rely on how high your character can scale until it gets impossible

[carmine ermine]

People achieved this with non-percentage based damage.

At the point where enemies have their HP get capped, just so the game doesn't crash.

In other words, that idea would do nothing.

Here, proof:
#gunfire-videos message

(And just in case you say "Ice Blade!", Ice Blade does at best 20,000 to bosses with 2,147,483,600, which was also shown to be completely obliterated regardless.)

[silent magnet]

R.I.P speedruns then

[edgy lodge]

If you are on about endless, remember I got to 494 with raw damage, no percentage damage

[edgy lodge]

494 is accessible, it is just the cap (FOR NOW)
as enemy spawns no longer function as normal for now

When it does get fixed, I will go over 494 and then find out what the next cap is 😎

[carmine ermine]

Oh yeah, now that I looked at your question more closely...

That ""update note"" was satire. Neither real nor serious.

[edgy lodge]

Again I wouldn't turn down an endless defense mode lol

[carmine ermine]

Just pointing it out, because they seemed to reply as if it was real.

[edgy lodge]

Yeah I know dw

[tulip steppe]

endless SA

[edgy lodge]

I would actually love that

[oak veldt]

Yeah but even there not every character has the potential to scale as high as others means some characters are just getting outscaled at some point

Atleast i doubt that you could reach 494 with every character in the game

[edgy lodge]

Probably
But the game is gonna get nerfed

[oak veldt]

Well yeah thats how it always was

Gotta see how well they tune it down tho if its just gonna be Kindergarten afterwards its going to ruin the fun/challenging part of it aswell

[carmine ermine]

In an alternate universe, maybe.

Meanwhile in this reality, we've been receiving a vast majority of buffs, and given the backlash to the endless mode restrictions, endless will probably get buffed to be easier too.

[edgy lodge]

I personally don't want it to be buffed to the point you can cleave the game no problem, what I would love is that the time limit is either gone or increased and that the enemy doesn;t overscale too fast, but eventually they do overscale

[oak veldt]

There is an easy fix imo for this issue just add time based on the size of the area / amount of mobs/elites spawned instead of a set value no need to mess with the hp pools or anything else

But its just gonna get extremely tuned down probably

Tbf i feel like some people should just play a bit more before complaining not to offend anyone but even back then when spiritual assault was released even on release it was easily doable if you didnt knew anything about it in the first attempt yet people wanted it to become easier like you do know youre playing a roguelike (lite i know) they are supposed to have a certain difficulty grade

But with every change coming to these gamemodes they just make the game easier and easier and the only fun you can have as veteran player so to say is either to speedrun the game and challenge yourself with better times or with endless testing how long you can stay in one run

[carmine ermine]

That wouldn't solve anything because you'd get hard stages and easy stages so it would even out to an average like what we already have. If anything it might make things even easier with multiplayer and Lone Wolf, because more enemies = more time.

Also doesn't consider people who are fast enough to reach the stage limit, who would reach it anyway.

A method that might actually work would be large increase to the starting time and how much you gain per stage, BUT every stage the gain lowers a little.

So stage 1 you'd get 120 seconds, stage 30 you'd get 100 seconds, stage 100 you'd get 50 seconds, stage 200 you'd get 20 seconds, stage 300+ you'd get 5 seconds practically dooming the run to inevitable end.

That would solve the "endless doesn't give you enough time" complaints that people struggle with getting through the early stuff, prevent people from reaching stage 494 where it fucks up, and the diminishing time gain is so far into the endless that realistically most people who'd complain would just give up out of boredom or be satisfied they spent 2 hours reaching stage 136 or whatever before the timer ran out.

[carmine ermine]

The enemies literally can't overscale players.

Percentage-based damage counters their HP scaling, and Spirit Feline or one of many invincibility methods counters their damage scaling.

And besides, enemies are already achieving the highest HP the game can offer and they still can die in under a second to the right builds. Literally no more scaling can be done.

[oak veldt]

I mean to be fair adding more ways to gain time increases the time you can spend in a run and like you said most casuals wouldnt want to play for 3-4 hours on loop anyway imo it would just loose up the... Issue that some characters are near unplayable for R9 looping

And the ones who dont wanna commit for such a long run can just quit at any point they want

It would still kick people out who are extremely slow due to time loss but would help you get back on your feet incase your build isnt perfect/your missing a few scrolls idk

It just feels like rn like get a godtier run with scrolls and build and you can go for as long as you want

Get a mediocre run and be unlucky with just a few things well guess what fk you no looping for you at best 12-15 stages

There is no window for recovery atleast solo from my experience

[stiff comet]

I really like the option to get scrolls on act 2 and 3 that the enemies get as well. It’s the only way to up the difficulty of R9 so that it’s not way too easy. Would really like if they added it to act 1 as well and maybe even just give enemies the scroll and not you. Just something to help make the game harder especially act 3.

Also the fact that if an enemy gets spirit feline it just makes them die in 1 shot faster to things like the porcupine is dumb.

[trim swan]

I'll say it makes it more easy if you get something like flesh and bones or sanguine relic

or you can just skip the scroll selection entirely

and cursed scrolls make it easier too

[stiff comet]

Yes but you can actively only choose the hardest ones which is what I do

Such as life saver really makes act 3 harder cause the suicide lamps can’t be killed in 1 second. Makes it much more fun

[trim swan]

true

[stiff comet]

Just hoping we could get an option to enhance enemies to keep the game challenging. Act 1 is the hardest currently cause of the bomb throwers imo and that’s kinda lame.

After beating the act 2 boss the run is already won

[dire jolt]

im still happy with my first solo endless 💖

@trim swan was there to watch the end of that XD

remember when i did the boat fight and everything got wonky? xD

[trim swan]

yeah the bomb launches weren't showing up

[dire jolt]

i have that part recorded

lol

I just love how you were like "just kill the boss already...."

[edgy lodge]

Me casually waiting for the update that allows me to go beyond 494

[carmine ermine]

Wish granted! They added R9.

However it only succeeded in making act 1 and 2 harder, because they're the only times you actually have to fight with the enemies.

[stiff comet]

R9 added 1 single noticable change. Act 1 bombers blow up the entire room. other than that it didnt make much difference overall

at this point im just ganna have to self ban certain spiritual blessing and stuff and make self challeneges to keep things interesting. thankfully the "give enemies a scroll" thing exists so i have some power over thier strength going up

act 3 really is my only big problem. its just always way too easy. act1 and 2 arent bad

and act 4 has the thing where you can make it harder. wish act 3 had that

actually that would make me very happy. just take the thing that makes act 4 harder and give it to act 3 as well. or at least the option. like maybe make it a little menu and you can select any act 1,2,3,4 to be harder

[somber summit]

Bomber radius isnt increased.

[stiff comet]

when 1 bomb creates 3 more i'd say it is

[somber summit]

Bombers dont split my guy, those are grenadiers

[stiff comet]

then yeah that. still its 90% of the noticable changes from R8-9 for me

[carmine ermine]

That's because you kill all the other noticable changes before they can do their noticable change.

Or some of them are actually enemy nerfs, like how Crossbowmen have a reduced chance to randomly hit you with a stray shot because they're more accurate.

[summer igloo]

lvl 222 lmfao

[edgy lodge]

Lads

idk what happened or if the game had some silent update but 494 is working and I got past it

https://tenor.com/view/renuu-thanos-rest-peaceful-gif-20831938

Now time to no life and push the game further for my enjoyment after I just get some breakfast

[tulip steppe]

VC time i see

[edgy lodge]

Yeah just grabbing some breakfast and might have a quick shower before coming back

[edgy lodge]

@tulip steppe can go in vc if you want

[edgy lodge]

I somehow actually did it lmao
60k etch

ok I guess updating my steam deck just crashed my game yay

So I am now set back a few rounds yay

and probs have to etch it again

back at 613 so it is ok

[spice forum]

Show me the Foundry

plz

[edgy lodge]

yeah 1 sec

@spice forum

[spice forum]

And people say it doesnt have power

look at that juicy 6670

[edgy lodge]

The stats tho

lmao

yeah the 6670 damage

Well at least I have a funny maxed out Foundry

[spice forum]

Though scary that 4 people managed to get it higher in a single run pre endless

[edgy lodge]

yeah that is terrifying

idk how they managed that one lo,

lol

[spice forum]

in theory higher, ine actual high foundry and the other theoretical due to massive brick

4 players and god rolls on scrolls and upgrades

Hidden transaction rng

[edgy lodge]

Playing pass the Enhanced Hidden Transaction

And getting Arms Trafficker in I.F

[spice forum]

THOUGH

Endless almost all money goes to consumption

[iron kindle]

I'm at R3 and joined an R9 lobby through matchmaking, after we beat the game I went back to the lobby and I was still at R3, is this how it's supposed to be or is this a bug?

[edgy lodge]

Yeah so Premium Membership comes in clutch

but the importance of extravagant consumption makes premium membership a god send lol

[edgy lodge]

iirc you progress by doing each level, doing an R9 lobby without it being unlocked won;t give it you I think

[spice forum]

R Matchmaking rolls all r level into a single pool

Thats why progression isnt done

[edgy lodge]

I think I have only ever match made once

[iron kindle]

@spice forum Alright, cheers 👏

[edgy lodge]

Not bothered with playing with random ppl lol

np

[spice forum]

if you make a lobby and manual invite other people of the same rank you SHOULD get the next rank

in theory

[iron kindle]

I cant do well when all mobs aggro me lol

[edgy lodge]

oof

Idm playing with friends or making lobbies with people but random ppl you don;t get as much communication

so I don't like it that much

[edgy lodge]

Going to visit my dad this weekend so I can bring my steam deck and still play a bit of gfr lol

[strange anchor]

how are the controls on the steam deck? What do you use for aiming, trackpad + gyro?
I'm tempted to try it, though as much as I love the trackpad, my dexterity with aiming with it is still ways off from mouse aiming, I haven't really ever played a fast-paced game with it

or are you just using it docked

[edgy lodge]

Controls feel like an xbox/ps controller
Gyro I think works but I don't think I have that on
Trackpad on the right is good for very precise aiming, pretty much close to mouse

But for me I just use it like a console controller really

I don't have a dock, just a charger and case

[dire jolt]

i do it all the time!

lets team up sometime xD

[edgy lodge]

Yeah we can do sometime!

Also I did a few rounds after getting to my dad's
In the late 600s, I am now noticing Gluttony's hitbox is breaking

If we do I might play Li if we don't go endless

[oak veldt]

All take the forge blessing and ideally get 1 hidden transaction before the first smith appears

Then just pass the scroll to the person whos upgrading

[edgy lodge]

Yeah I figured

[oak veldt]

12 guaranteed levels per smith

[edgy lodge]

If enhanced, 16 :)

[oak veldt]

With the potential for 32 :3

[edgy lodge]

Yeeee

[oak veldt]

If you get all +1 lmao

[edgy lodge]

Push to 44 if you were insanely lucky with arms trafficker ;0

[oak veldt]

Oh yeah what would you say is the fastest way to farm Soul essence? Trying to get 25k quick on mobile just R1 with Lone Wolf 2 players overconsumption monke on spores?

Getting decent times with that one but idk if theres a faster way

Probably not for spending 0 essence

[edgy lodge]

I'm not sure

[acoustic acorn]

@edgy lodge What bunny build are you doing for that insnae run?

[edgy lodge]

Won't be able to take a screenshot until Monday because I'm away until then

But Angelic aura with Proj +1 and Mag share with another gun

Damage Sword ascensions and 1 sword guard (sword enthusiast top priority, 1 epic swordcraft only, you don't need sword defense)

Good damage and survivability scrolls

I need to take screenshot of my build on monday just remind me

[acoustic acorn]

Interesting, why only 1 point into epic sword craft?

[edgy lodge]

Sword Enthusiast and other sword damage ascensions are your bigger incomes of damage

You'll also need Dual Edge and Extravagant Consumption

300% sword base damage sounds like a lot but it's nothing in comparison to her other ascensions for endless so 100% will do

[fresh breach]

What are some great builds that do insane amounts of damage quickly for endless runs?

[spice forum]

https://tenor.com/view/oogway-master-oogway-turtle-kung-fu-panda-master-gif-21324433

[fresh breach]

monke is a great one, crit shotgun build goes crazy

[spice forum]

Actually not that

Crit Spirit Cudgel with Piercing Flame and off hand Launcher

[fresh breach]

wait what? Do you mean the 50% crit chance spirit blessing? And why the off hand launcher?

[carmine ermine]

Want it All blessing lets both weapons give an effect to Soul Strike.

Offhand launcher gives your cudgel hits an AoE.

[fresh breach]

hahaha thats true yeah, sounds like a fun build tbh

Are there any other great builds, perhaps for other heroes that work well for endless?

[edgy lodge]

Tao is good

[fresh breach]

And then sword build?

[edgy lodge]

Sword build and Angelic Aura with Mag share and projectile increase

[fresh breach]

Alright, thanks for the tip, will check it out

[edgy lodge]

Np :)

[thin epoch]

Do we have a planned update this month? I'm very not sure

Many of my games are getting something in a couple weeks

[spice forum]

Updates are slower, not content but maybe some fixes

We had a big one recently

[thin epoch]

Gotcha

[edgy lodge]

I think this month they're adding a limited time mode?

Last I remember?

[carmine ermine]

They already added a "limited time mode" in the last big update.

It turned out to be Endless Journey.

[edgy lodge]

I mean another thing

In the update notes on steam

In December they said they're gonna launch a limited time mode with some free customisation rewards

It sounds interesting but ofc given the shenanigans of tuning endless, they can take all the time they need :)

[stiff comet]

does crudgel crit damage scale off of weapn critx?

[carmine ermine]

Yes.

[stiff comet]

nice

[edgy lodge]

Paused at 800 for now
But I have the Spiritual link that increases speed and RoF for every sword stack

I'm now firing that fast that funny numbers struggle even more to show

[tulip steppe]

you cap at 9 of those stacks

[edgy lodge]

Yeah I know

I have like a 95% RoF increase with the link and with enhanced Strategic Advantage

It is just a monstrous beam of death lmao

[spice forum]

Having some Ho-Li fun

Not bad for a start

[edgy lodge]

Going for a hilarious endless run?

What character? Tao?

[spice forum]

Right now its going well

ahem

Ho-Li

[edgy lodge]

Ahhhhh

[spice forum]

if that wastn enough XD

[carmine ermine]

The classic hero, Ho.

[edgy lodge]

Yeah I get that pun now lol

Hahaha

Ho

ほ

[spice forum]

Goblets are pretty optimized for her as well already in the second loop stage

[edgy lodge]

Dang nice start

Going primary?

I assume

[spice forum]

And the Star Devourer with Painkiller

[edgy lodge]

Sounds good

[spice forum]

both doing equal dmg

[edgy lodge]

Advanced Depot:

Actually nah probably against the flow and skateboarder

[spice forum]

got depot

sorry

flow

[edgy lodge]

Oh fair enough

[spice forum]

with 210 ammo

[edgy lodge]

Rip my man flow

[spice forum]

I mean
I get about 30 ammo a second

I am fine

[edgy lodge]

Bullet Bank is a nice QoL if you're just using that gun

Have you got Coin Shot yet?

Wait lemme look

Nah you still gotta get that funny coin shot

[spice forum]

that was a while ago

but yeah no enhanced coin

[edgy lodge]

Ohhh

[edgy lodge]

Get strategic strategy enhanced after coin shot

[edgy lodge]

RoF boost is nice

And Elemental Mag

Get those bad boys enhanced

[spice forum]

Even IF i should run out of ammo I have strive to survive XD

[edgy lodge]

Yeah you probably won't have to worry about ammo XD

I haven't worried about ammo for 100s of rounds

When I get back to my dad's I might push further or play bo3 idk yet

Left my steam deck there

[spice forum]

Ascensions is now optimal level what I can get

dont know what I should replace the single flare calling though

[edgy lodge]

Hopefully you get blessing in disguise even if it is too late for bonus ascensions

[carmine ermine]

Flame Talisman.

[spice forum]

Either Burning bullet or Resonance

[carmine ermine]

You get a damage bonus.

[edgy lodge]

Ong flame talisman

[spice forum]

true

[edgy lodge]

Flame Talisman is just a bit funny

[spice forum]

Okay

So if I can crit the Star Devourer does massive dmg

[edgy lodge]

I'm sure you know that blessing in disguise doubles your recycle rate right?

[spice forum]

but If I cant the Spiritual Flame does equal dmg

I know

[edgy lodge]

Fairs

[spice forum]

I said that before

:P

[edgy lodge]

Oh yeah I forgor

:P

[spice forum]

sweeet

Premium Membership

MVP scroll in endless

[edgy lodge]

Enhanced premium membership to further build the EC and bully the peddler

[spice forum]

And opposed to that

Break the Ice the worst scoll you can get

[edgy lodge]

^

[spice forum]

since it takes away an ascension

[edgy lodge]

(Unless you get it at the very start before your first ascension)

But yeah

[spice forum]

PFFFFT

[edgy lodge]

Break the Ice = worst legendary

[spice forum]

So you saw that I had picked Fire Enthu from Fortunes

turns out it is the shield demonic event counter

it triggers their shields in spawn

[edgy lodge]

Damn, didn't realise

I think the best demonic aura challenge for bosses is probably Vulnerable shield

[spice forum]

Thorny jungle I would say

its 10% dmg on you when you dash

no other negatives or bonus to bosses

with shield, once its popped you are basically screwed

[edgy lodge]

Yeah true

The one where your gun can't trigger 1 element but change it with dash is not the worst

Don't think it has its own specific title

[spice forum]

awww

end of run

more out of time

[tulip steppe]

devourer is my favorite

[spice forum]

Got some stupid wave room

Though I think what really screwed me was fire enthu from fortunes

the regen combined with a wave of three elite stalker

that ate some unnecesary minutes

but it was fun

Certain-Li she can hold herself in endless with a primary skill build

[edgy lodge]

Was it THE Anxi Desert Wave room?

[spice forum]

Yes and the Tomb one

back to back

but hey, minimum one loop is doable with her and possibly more

[edgy lodge]

THE Anxi Desert Wave room is the ultimate time killer

But in endless you want Longling Tomb as much as you can

Ultimate time gain

[spice forum]

yup

and yokul can eat your time like crazy

due to elites

[edgy lodge]

Yeah 100%

Longling Tomb with Golem is eye candy

[spice forum]

Lu Wu didnt stand long either though

Also my arsenal is.... odd

[edgy lodge]

I haven't used my arsenal in a bit

[spice forum]

This bad boy though

[edgy lodge]

Damn daniel

[spice forum]

I wanna do a double Chainsaw run with Ao bai so I collected them and stored them

When i get the perfect setup I grab them

[edgy lodge]

Can you actually dual wield them

?

[spice forum]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-no-gif-21780817

[edgy lodge]

Oh god

Ao Bai becomes a bloodthirsty maniac

[spice forum]

I realised in my last Gunfire stream why I loved them so much

and my obssesion in getting that build

In Deep Rock

I only have played Driller

its the same feeling

[edgy lodge]

I can now imagine Ao Bai with a ski mask and 2 chainsaws

[spice forum]

two melee grinder like weapons and explosions

Ao Bai is the otherworld version of the Driller

[edgy lodge]

Chinese Driller

The Driller of Dinhai Bay

[spice forum]

That was the run

not optimal as it could have been much much better

[edgy lodge]

Did you do this just now or earlier?

[spice forum]

way earlier

almost directly after the endless release

[edgy lodge]

Ah right

[edgy lodge]

Uh oh

I think I have a problem

Game doesn't save past 812

And I'm not able to get on the game now

I'm playing through steam deck so idk what I can do rn

But I will uninstall and reinstall, see what happenz

[spice forum]

well

Another thing I might need someone else to confirm :
Doing Ao Bai Atomic dog right now and I chose
Endless Assault as starting blessing with lone wolf
Puts me me from 8 to 16 Nades
Then Double Exhiliration should double again but I am only at 24

Should be 32

[spice forum]

This might be an issue with taking Endless assault from the start

Double Exhiliration is only adding 8 nades
Thinking I am at 8 base atm

[tulip steppe]

its all +100% of base value

was it 32 before?

[spice forum]

Its specifically says double

and it was that before

Adding 100% of base capacity and doubling capacity are two very different things

Both state "Secondary Skill Capacity gets doubled"

So its base x 2 x 2

But with this it would even mean that without talents you are at 3 x 2 x 2 = 9 with those scrolls

it just doesnt add up

literally

[shell patrol]

hey guys

[spice forum]

Hello there

[shell patrol]

european demolition squad

also holy fuck is nona broken

[spice forum]

yes

Though its Iron Wing doing the heavy lifting of the "being broken"

[shell patrol]

yea

solo revives ☠️

anyway uh, what scrolls are generally good for melee?

i REALLY like melee lmao

i usually just go ham and get some lucky shot + speed scrolls

[edgy lodge]

Ok gfr is working again

Imma see if I can keep going

I could've just had an odd bug

Ok it's working again, progressing rn

Ok when you back out the game at this point, this happens again

I think I'm gonna save this for later

Gonna have to push from 812-1000 in 1 sitting

I'll maybe do it monday

[dire jolt]

silly thunder storm go brrrrr

brain off. aim at nothing. hit everything? lol

[edgy lodge]

Lmao I should perhaps do that on my final push to the 1000 mark

[shell patrol]

peak

[edgy lodge]

I might go on my other save file and try the gun in spritual assault

[shell patrol]

peak

[dire jolt]

if we play together

thats what you will see me use even in spiritual assault (even tho i am completely clueless in that game mode ;w; )

i just turn my brain off and shoot xD

[edgy lodge]

All you need to do in that mode is just shoot and stuff xd

Li is really good in Spiritual Assault

Spiritual Flame can cause some chaos

I haven't seen Thunder Storm on it in a while, probably because my luck sucks

I noticed Chromatic Magazine got buffed last time I played it, which is uhhh, yeah-

[pastel pier]

If me and my friends both get Royal Guard ascencion

IS there any benefit?

[pastel pier]

The one that guarantees Elite before Boss

[edgy lodge]

Not sure
I have not seen that blessing in ages

Pretty sure the Jokul setting makes every last stage have a guaranteed elite gathering

But I'd say probably not if you both had it

[pastel pier]

Thx

[edgy lodge]

Np

I think tomorrow might be my final all out push to 1000 before I have a break from endless

Might try that thunder storm out for it

I'm at a point that 812 you can't save no more and backing out 812+ can softlock gfr causing you to reinstall

Actually I'm probably gonna save that endless finish until monday

[shell patrol]

god i love speed demon melee nona

if i get the right lucky shot and speed scrolls its awesome

(help i have a crippling addiction to the Flowing Light sword)

[edgy lodge]

I'm a fire tower enjoyer

Big red funny ice cream go BONK

[shell patrol]

fire tower too slow for me

and it uses ammo

[edgy lodge]

Idk if it is just me or does the fire tower look like a big firey ice cream?

[shell patrol]

yeah it does

on Flowing Light it has a super stupidly broken inscription

[edgy lodge]

Yeah fire tower is slow but it trades it for big hits

[shell patrol]

it has

like

10% lucky shot chance for every 10% ammo missing

so you just drain all ammo and keep it at 0

[edgy lodge]

Yeah that is good

[shell patrol]

combines with coin shot and other lucky shot scrolls

and deals some VERY good damage

if you get enough for triplehit

[shell patrol]

yea but im p sure flowing light has more dps and the secondary is nicer imo

fire tower is ok but i dont like the ammo usage

dont know about the poison sword, dont have it

[edgy lodge]

I am a melee fan but sadly only fire tower is the melee I use in this game

Poison sword is fast mobility and 3 swing combo

[shell patrol]

you should try using flowing light more

[carmine ermine]

Flowing Light has 1 fatal flaw.

[edgy lodge]

Yeah I should, just surprisingly not a fan of melees in this game

[carmine ermine]

It's lightning elemental.

No Combustion fusion.

[shell patrol]

its incredibly funny with that inscription + triple propulsion/advanced joggers + the dash lucky shot and speed boost

[edgy lodge]

Speaking of combustion, idk when they did this but chromatic mag got buffed (haven't played SA since endless update)

[carmine ermine]

It got buffed ages ago.

Like, before Owl and Red Panda got added.

[shell patrol]

yea but lightning is more useful than fire imho

[carmine ermine]

It's really not.

[shell patrol]

if anything they're of equal use

[edgy lodge]

Damn, just for some reason it's now 1 shotting early catfish warriors for me when it didn't last update

[carmine ermine]

It's also not.

[shell patrol]

hm?

pretty sure not

[carmine ermine]

Fire is effective against most enemies, because most enemies have at least some amount of HP.

Only some enemies have Shields.

[edgy lodge]

I think fire does more to just health

[shell patrol]

almost all enemies have armor or shield tbh

in later stages

[carmine ermine]

Lightning doesn't work well on Armor, only Shield.

[edgy lodge]

Corrosion is the opposite iirc

[shell patrol]

yes, armor is for corrosion

most enemies usually have armor or shield so its better to have weapons that wipe those out

[carmine ermine]

But all enemies have HP.

[shell patrol]

bc most of those enemies have also tiny hp

[carmine ermine]

Minus those with the Armored enhancement.

Additionally, all bosses have at least 50% of their total health pool be HP.

[shell patrol]

bosses yea

but like

[carmine ermine]

And the majority of them is pure HP.

[shell patrol]

melee is generally not very good vs bosses

[trim swan]

I just run painkiller on a lot of things so I don't pay attention to what type of element I want to do

[edgy lodge]

Painkiller is a bit funny

[shell patrol]

besides, flowing light with the right scrolls can do VERY solid damage regardless of defense

whats painkiller

[carmine ermine]

Irrelevant point, considering you're comparing 2 melee weapons.

[shell patrol]

havent got reincarnation yet

[shell patrol]

yes

fire tower's issue is how slow it is and the fact that it costs ammo

• no 100% lucky shot chance inscription

[edgy lodge]

When giving any elemental effect, give the enemy all of them

[carmine ermine]

Additionally, Fire Tower actually has a ranged attack if you need to hit from a distance.

Flowing Light does not.

[trim swan]

Basically blessing that does every type of elemental damage if you inflict an element

[shell patrol]

holy hell

[carmine ermine]

But anyway, continuing with the fire vs lightning topic...

[edgy lodge]

And convert all negatives of effects into good effects

[shell patrol]

thatd

[edgy lodge]

It is broken

[carmine ermine]

Burning is capable of doubling the damage of your strongest hit, if your enemy survives for 5 seconds.

Shock makes the enemy take +10% total damage. This is tiny when you compare to pretty much every other total damage bonus.

[edgy lodge]

But copycat is also very hilarious

[trim swan]

It runs really well with Cat's grenades

[shell patrol]

yea but

in the long run

[trim swan]

Copycat is also funny and goes well with Painkiller

[edgy lodge]

Li and Painkiller is silly

Zi Xiao tho

Holy hell

[shell patrol]

flowing light has a more dps, a 100% lucky shot chance inscription and is much better on normal enemies

[edgy lodge]

Perfect Deck and Painkiller is quite funny

[trim swan]

Zi Xiao Explosive Hand/Perfect Deck 3 and Painkiller is funny

[shell patrol]

nona is horribly funny

[carmine ermine]

And finally, in the long run, Fire gets Combustion and Manipulation fusions, for instant high damage that hits groups, and complete enemy shutdown.

Lightning however gets Miasma and Manipulation. Basically exchanges the high instant AoE damage for a slower damage over time that doesn't care about your weapon's damage.

[shell patrol]

i get to be a melee speed demon while iron wing just baits most aggro

[shell patrol]

fair i suppose? i still think both weapons are fun and good

[edgy lodge]

Idk how well Nona works for endless bc I haven't used her for that yet

[shell patrol]

i just prefer flowing light for the speed

[shell patrol]

havent tried endless at all

but holy hell is she awesome in campaign lmao

[edgy lodge]

Endless is (as of now) a whole can of worms

[carmine ermine]

Poisonous Ghost also has the same speed as Flowing Light, AND still has access to Combustion for high AoE damage bonuses.

[shell patrol]

iron wing vs golem fucking tanks the lasers lol

[carmine ermine]

So when you unlock Poisonous Ghost, I'd imagine you'd be switching over straight away.

[shell patrol]

dont have it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[edgy lodge]

In endless, it all comes down to DPS, not how heavy you hit sadly

[shell patrol]

bht

does it have the

100% lucky shot chance inscription

[carmine ermine]

Yes.

[shell patrol]

no

not the one where you hit an enemy twice

[carmine ermine]

Yes.

[shell patrol]

just checked

nope

[carmine ermine]

Not that 100% lucky shot chance is that spectacular anyway, since they also get an inscription for up to 150% lucky shot chance, AND an inscription for up to +150% total damage.

[shell patrol]

this thing

oh fuck

it does have it

[carmine ermine]

That's really not as spectacular as you make it out to be, because to use it at its most potential, Flowing Light becomes unable to use its weapon skill.

Only really good if you absolutely need to conserve ammo.

[shell patrol]

it is

[carmine ermine]

Plus as I said, there are inscriptions for 150% lucky shot chance or 150% total damage.

[shell patrol]

regardless of the secondary, with any lucky shot scroll you get some VERY solid damage

still, both have their use lol

the fact that its lightning still doesnt make it a critical flaw

[carmine ermine]

It's the worst element vs enemy health, the worst elemental effect, and has the worst fusion effects.

[shell patrol]

it wrecks shields and those are pretty common so /shrug

[carmine ermine]

Can say the same about Corrosion and armor.

But Corrosion has the advantage that it's the only effective element type against Armor. Non-elemental also gets a disadvantage against it.

Lightning doesn't get this.

[shell patrol]

look mate, i dont think im yet at the level where elemental effects matter that much so /shrug

it works quite well for me while fire tower doesnt, though i will test poisonous ghost once i get it

[carmine ermine]

I guess you'll just have to find out later, then.

[shell patrol]

still think its better than fire tower

fire tower is extremely slow at cleaning out normal enemies and like all melee useless on a lot of bosses

anyway, is sanguine relic good?

[edgy lodge]

It's alright as of now, but before nerf it was broken

[shell patrol]

so still worth getting i assume?

wait is Flesh and Bones good with it

im just scared of oneshots with sanguine relic sometimes

but eh i guess its a net positive with the +15% dmg res from talents

[trim swan]

It's good in speedruns

[shell patrol]

and outside of em?

[trim swan]

Eh

[edgy lodge]

It ain't as good as it used to be

But it's alright

[shell patrol]

alr

[edgy lodge]

Good if you had spirit feline

[shell patrol]

btw whats a solid weapon to use on bosses when out of range of sword/need to recover shield?

[trim swan]

Hey Teaa you want to do an endless?

[shell patrol]

i generally use icy spear but i sometimes forget to upgrade it lmao

then i end up with a +6 icy spear and a +21 sword

[edgy lodge]

Right now I'm kinda in bed so probs tomorrow or monday if you can

Might be better monday but I can tomorrow if you want

[trim swan]

Nice

[shell patrol]

brick also seems nice but the arc fucks up my crits too often

[edgy lodge]

Just lmk when you can

[trim swan]

Should be available

[edgy lodge]

Ok nice, well tomorrow or Monday ofc lol
If we do Monday I can talk because I can't talk at my dad's house on a steam deck

[trim swan]

Yeah Monday

[edgy lodge]

Alright, sounds good
Probs do the 1000 tomorrow and just screenshot it

Get it done with lmao

[trim swan]

I've been trying to get further into endless but the game doesn't like giving me painkiller or copycat

[edgy lodge]

Start with copycat if you're on your own with lone wolf

[trim swan]

Hmmm, I'll try

[edgy lodge]

It's very good in the long run

[trim swan]

I also like skill freak

[edgy lodge]

Skill freak is quite nice for Zi Xiao

And any other good secondary build lol

I need to try Ao Bai atomic bomb on endless some point

[trim swan]

Untold Effort and Skill Freak with a Surprise Bonus

[edgy lodge]

Yeah that's what I used for my Zi Xiao run

[trim swan]

I know basically every main build for Xiao but I just sometimes have bad luck to do proper builds

[edgy lodge]

I ain't amazing with Zi Xiao, I just go for full card build

Painkiller is pretty good tho

[trim swan]

I got 2.1 billion highest damage with Zi Xiao

[edgy lodge]

Shreds enemies

The 32 bit cap?

Wait no

I'm dumb

[trim swan]

Let me get a ss

[edgy lodge]

Actually no it is

I'm in auto pilot mode aaaa

[trim swan]

This

With Owl

[edgy lodge]

Still gotta try that thunder storm

karma's clip intrigued me

I need a Wunderwaffe DG-2 on steroids

[trim swan]

I like Thunderstorm with shared magazine capacity

[edgy lodge]

Fairs, good gemini

[trim swan]

I have a 240+ star ring I think

I pair it with one of my thunderstorms

[edgy lodge]

Rn both my guns are +300

[trim swan]

Damn

[edgy lodge]

And I think my peddler is offering 200+ guns

[trim swan]

On endless?

[edgy lodge]

Yeah

[trim swan]

Ah

[edgy lodge]

I'm saved at 812

[trim swan]

The 240+ I was referring to my magazine capacity

[edgy lodge]

Trying to be first person to 1000

Ohhhhh

[trim swan]

I think it's 204 actually

[edgy lodge]

I thought you meant gun level for a sec

[trim swan]

dies

[edgy lodge]

My shared mag rn is 109

Angelic Aura and Rainbow

[trim swan]

That's not bad

[edgy lodge]

Yeah it's alright

[trim swan]

I aim for Big Hippo, Star Ring or Thunderclap gloves

Usually the guns that have large mags

[edgy lodge]

Big Hippo with both mag increase inscriptions

[trim swan]

You can get 400+ lol

[edgy lodge]

I don't think I've ever had that

Oh god really?

[trim swan]

Yeah

If it's shared

[shell patrol]

star ring is good?

[trim swan]

Really good

[shell patrol]

huh

[edgy lodge]

It's quite silly

[shell patrol]

i should use it more

[trim swan]

Early game anyways

And it's really good for Nona

[edgy lodge]

I don't use it enough tho

[shell patrol]

big hippo i thought wasnt v good

[trim swan]

Since it's considered as a pistol

[shell patrol]

oh eya it is

[edgy lodge]

Big hippo os good for mag share

Not much else tho I dont think

[trim swan]

By itself it's not good but it's good for some Gemini builds

[shell patrol]

i love speed demon melee nona

its horribly fun

like theres def better builds but holy hell do i love it

also funny thing, iron wing invalidates golem lasers sometimes

[edgy lodge]

I don't enjoy nona so much ;-;

[shell patrol]

i do

i am a big fan of mecha

and the design is cool

"stand by for titanfall"

[trim swan]

I also want to use my revealer build with Painkiller and spores

[shell patrol]

painkiller with flowing light could be cool

[edgy lodge]

Anything that gives elemental with painkiller is funny

Especially rapid weapons

Miasma 9 gaming

[trim swan]

With fast fire rate is better

[edgy lodge]

Mhm

[trim swan]

I just use revealer because it does good damage

[shell patrol]

i mean yea but flowing light is quite fast

imho

ig it depends

[edgy lodge]

It's decent

[shell patrol]

ill test once i get to resurrection lol

[edgy lodge]

But anything that's rapid makes painkiller very funny

[trim swan]

If you're comparing it against an auto rifle then I don't think it'll do that much

[shell patrol]

my friends started like yesterday and we're on nightmare already

[shell patrol]

fair

[trim swan]

Like an angelic aura

[edgy lodge]

Angelic aura is definitely one of the best guns

Ultimate DPS

[shell patrol]

angelic aura is insane

i wish there was a no effect sword tbh

thatd be nice

i like raw damage

[carmine ermine]

That's called Storm Chaser.

[shell patrol]

ehhh

storm chaser kinda sucks

theres also the saw thingy

i guess

[edgy lodge]

Wheel Saw kinda also counts

[shell patrol]

yea

storm chaser and wheel saw kinda suck tho

imho

they dont have the speed boost

[edgy lodge]

Wheel Saw has a pretty good inscription tho

[carmine ermine]

One reason they suck is they have no element.

[shell patrol]

yea but melee kinda sucks if you dont have the insane speed imho

[carmine ermine]

Because elemental damage is better than non-elemental by a big margin.

Also, Storm Chaser's gimmick is you literally get a speed boost.

Soooo...

[shell patrol]

oh yeah that

forgot

still meh damage tho

is cloud weaver any good?

[trim swan]

For Li and Crown Prince

[carmine ermine]

And Qian Sui.

[shell patrol]

nona?

since its a pistol

[carmine ermine]

Basically any constant use of skills.

[trim swan]

Actually I could try to use Cloud Weaver with Xiao

Cuz Card Storm

[pastel pier]

@edgy lodge Which character do you recommend for Endless? Or does it not matter? I feel like my damage gets too small from stage 20 onwards (idk how much dmg% reduction that is)

[shell patrol]

is Reasonable Luck any good?

[carmine ermine]

Yes and no.

Early on it's a big bonus to damage.

Later once you get enough lucky shot chance from other sources, it becomes weaker until it starts actively harming your build.

[shell patrol]

fair

what about Spirit Feline

[carmine ermine]

Yes and no.

Great against powerful attacks, bad against weak, rapid attacks.
Gets more powerful on higher difficulties.

[pastel pier]

What is the damage formula for skills?

Base dmg * skill dmg increase * elemental damage increase ?

[carmine ermine]

(BaseDMG + ExtraBaseDMG) * BaseDMG% * (SkillDMG% + ElementDMG%) * Multiplicative1DMG% * Multiplicative2DMG% * Multiplicative3DMG%* etc...

[pastel pier]

But what are those Multiplicative 1, 2 and so on? I only know skill, elemental, total damage, and specific % for that skill

[carmine ermine]

Multiplicative bonuses.

Usually referred to as Total DMG.

But not always.

[shell patrol]

i just melee'd pole monarch to death

i got the perfect defense build lol

i could tank a god with it

sanguine relic + flesh n bone + spirit feline + heavy shield + lightless shield

only danger was flamethrowers

otherwise i could kill anything w thta]

ow my left arm hurts

[shell patrol]

yea i just tried it out

made me fuckin invincible vs anything except flamethrowers

with sanguine relic, flesh n bone and that one regeneration scroll i could tank basically anything, godly feeling

i should focus on tank more when running melee because holy hell

[true ivy]

weird thought but does electric circuit count all hits in a shot or does it only count the first hit

wait...

i might be insane but it also looks like electric circuit connects ALL shots on affected enemies, not just the next one

eh, maybe not

ok no

electric circuit doesn't seem to combine projectiles and it only acts on the first hit

certified energy blade moment

[carmine ermine]

Old Energy Blade moment.

Current Energy Blade buffs all hits of all shots made before you hit an enemy.

So if you managed to fire half a dozen grenades before one hit an enemy, all of them get the buff.

This is particularly useful with Icy Spear, because of the most effective technique being throw down a bunch of spears at your feet, before recalling them at an enemy.

[dire jolt]

this build i am doing is silly lol

[edgy lodge]

I ain't getting lucky with thunder storm

Not gonna finish my endless today

Trying to get the silly weapon in spiritual assault

[dire jolt]

im just doing a "lets find a better thunder storm in endless run"

and then it turned into "lets make silly spiritual link builds"

[edgy lodge]

I'm trying to do a "let's get a thunder storm"

[dire jolt]

the current one i have is good

but i can do better >.<"

[edgy lodge]

I might try a Lei Luo Spiritual Assault

Because Lei Luo is quite funny in SA

Or Li

I haven't done an actual SA in a while and chromatic mag just for some reason feels better idk why

[dire jolt]

I just like fox

because "Foxes.~ "

[edgy lodge]

I just like

Idk

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-fix-gif-5237276

[tulip steppe]

my cat has had Thunderstorm as most used for ages now

[edgy lodge]

I never get the gun lmao

I get everything else but the thunder storm

[tulip steppe]

Double caliber?