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[split plinth]

yay

finally got above 1.4b dmg for turtl

[glad iris]

hmm wonder what this update was

[ionic jungle]

is overconsumption good?

[glad iris]

yes

[ionic jungle]

got it

ty

[fallen escarp]

Very good.

There's like... practically no time when you don't want it.

Sole exception is if you're already the protagonist in a coop game and your fanboys have given you tribute.

[void quail]

Did we get an update ? Why does it look like this

[glad iris]

^

Just waiting for the annoucement.

Cause there's nothing about it on steam or gunfire twitter yet.

[void quail]

Dog has dmg reduction

15%

Cloud weaver is bugged out

[reef creek]

wanted to play a bit but this got me curious

[reef creek]

what you mean, bugged out?

[glad iris]

patch notes out

[cunning mica]

I think they've reworked it and merged the primary and secondary fire

[glad iris]

Justice got reworked

Mobile justice...

Thunder Storm got changed from pistol to Launcher lol

With other changes..

[reef creek]

aight, Imma play exactly those two next

[void quail]

Currently using justice its ass

[reef creek]

with monkey

[reef creek]

you can't say that first try

[void quail]

Im already in act 3

U dotn get weapon skill proc anymore

[glad iris]

Is the lava pool 100% ele effect?

If it is then Justice is pretty strong now. Especially with prince.

[fallen escarp]

Did they somehow nerf Thunder Storm?

According to the notes, it no longer breaks enemy shields by default.

That's now part of an exclusive inscription.

[glad iris]

..

[void quail]

Its terrible

[fallen escarp]

Better hope the lightning arc damage makes up for it, because it just lost its only use.

[void quail]

I have 500 ammo and its hitting for 10k dmg

Theyvhave new training master

[fallen escarp]

"Fixed the issue where the spirit blessing [Variable Scrolls] failed to increase the reset count under certain circumstances"

Huh, so that blessing was supposed to be even more OP.

[void quail]

@fallen escarp FS mortar is op now

Mag % works after 100 plus mag

[fallen escarp]

Wut?

[void quail]

It used to be if ur launcher has 100% mag increase it would increase mag then add the 100

Now its the plus 100 to mag then double

[fallen escarp]

No, the Expanded Magazine link was always like that.

[void quail]

Fortunes only affect urself now

[pearl garden]

Is the Justice no longer a weapon

I forget if the lava pools care about the explosive buffs--mostly explosion enhancement. Do the grenades still blow up?

[fallen escarp]

So the highlights from what I can tell of this update:

• Teaser gif for an upcoming weapon, looks like some sort of sawblade launcher or chainsaw.
• Notice about upcoming damage resistance adjustment, though without proper details it merely looks like it'll show your current % damage taken on your HUD.
• Buff to Transcendent Arsenal, you can now pay for insurance so weapons don't disappear if you die or quit.
• Possible buff to Mission from Above, you can now find more variety of tasks and better tasks.
• Likely buff to Justice, because it's damage stat didn't go down much and it received the ability to do DoT.
• Likely nerf to Thunder Storm, which sucked already. It lost its shield breaking ability which is now an exclusive inscription and moves significantly slower, while only receiving lightning arcs as compensation.
• Woodpecker buff. Higher magazine, better accuracy, less recoil and damage stacking ability.
• Possible nerf to Star Ring. No longer gives damage buff when contracting at max radius. However I theorize that they just added the extra damage to it regardless.
• Tiny nerf to Abundant Vitality. Now only counts the first shot at full shields, not the first to deal damage.
• Gluttony + Mysterious Jokul nerf. Lifesteal can recover shields now, but is weaker and Gluttony's stats are apparently weaker too. Why do this? Don't know!
• Monster revive nerf. You can now interrupt the revive by shooting at them. Wrong revive to nerf, devs.

[pearl garden]

I wouldn't be so negative about the Thunder Storm just yet tbh.

[fallen escarp]

They slowed down the shots and removed the shield break.

The lightning arcs need to do a bunch of work in order to compensate for that.

[pearl garden]

I wonder if each hit procs Merciless Combo

[fallen escarp]

In fact, without any evidence to support what I'm about to say, I'd go so far as to say that the projectile speed reduction outright killed the weapon in any scenario except a slow solo game.

65 speed to 5 is a massive reduction.

[pearl garden]

I'll try it out. It's a weapon I've always liked when building for it. We'll see if it's bad now.

[fallen escarp]

And the previous exclusive inscription was only -90%, which would've given it the abysmally slow speed of 6.5. Still 30% faster than now.

[pearl garden]

Wondering if it is literally just its old exclusive now always

Except in the old inscription you had to shoot the projectile to have it grow and deal more damage. But uh...the weapon apparently doesn't shoot anymore.

[glad iris]

The projectile is pretty fast.

[pearl garden]

I like the new icons

[fallen escarp]

Ok, just got a thunder storm.

The projectile speed isn't as slow as the inscription, but it's still much slower than it was when it was a pistol.

[reef creek]

I'm very unlucky

not a single "new" weapon yet

[fallen escarp]

Ugh, I think Thunder Storm is still affected by damage falloff.

[reef creek]

Also that happened

[fallen escarp]

That's a bug to report.

[void quail]

Uh extravagant consumption is bugged too

Its not taking my money

[vernal delta]

all hail justice

[void quail]

Airbag is 4 hp now wtf

Why they make it worse

[glad iris]

that's a buff

wym

[void quail]

4hp% per second

It was 2

[glad iris]

ye

buff

That change has been there for a while now though.

I think the R9 patch.

Maybe before

[void quail]

They changced the scroll drop too

U dont share anymore

For act scrolls

[fallen escarp]

Hmm... from what I can tell about Thunder Storm...
• It now does a lightning arc every 0.25s, dealing 100% damage. This is unaffected by skill DMG bonuses, but can still crit.
• A direct impact deals 500% explosion damage (up from 400%), affected by skill DMG bonuses.

It does also only cost 1 ammo per shot, instead of 2.

So maybe it can work as a genuine weapon, but unfortunately it is always lightning elemental, so it permanently has that disadvantage.

And although not as slow as the exclusive with its previous mechanics, the projectile is still slow. Any high level gameplay will shove it into the ground with other things that have faster speed.

[vernal delta]

the best thing is that it's now a launcher

ao bai action incoming

[void quail]

Independent fortune no longer shares scrolls idk who the hell thought that through

[fallen escarp]

Being a launcher isn't what works for Ao Bai.

[pearl garden]

I would imagine the direct hit bonus and the fact it's a launcher would make it funny on Monkey now too

[vernal delta]

[fallen escarp]

For Ao Bai, the biggest benefit to the change is the fact that the explosive thunderball... is no longer a weapon skill.

[vernal delta]

imo any launcher good with ao bai cuz he actually interacts with explosives

[fallen escarp]

Being a launcher has no effect on that. Ao Bai buffs explosions, not launchers.

Thunder Storm could already make explosions before, so he already buffed it.

[vernal delta]

humm

ye, now that I remember thunder storm ball wasnt's that good of an explosion lol

[pearl garden]

It was good if you forced it to crit but otherwise was pretty weak outside its exlusive/ability to break shields

[void quail]

Possible weapon duping now

Player 1 (host)pulls weapon outta bank player 2 puts in bank . Player one leaves game player 2 finishes run and now both have weapon

[fallen escarp]

Depending on how they've done it, dropping the weapon might void the insurance.

[ionic jungle]

is zi xiao good? cause i dont know how this guy works and i've played 10 games with him

[void quail]

I doubt they coded it right tbh

[fallen escarp]

Extremely good, just confusing at first.

In fact, his best build isn't even the confusing part. Just spam cards and pick purple ascensions.

[ionic jungle]

got it

will try that

[pearl garden]

Without Pyrodom III

Granted this roll was pretty funny 🍀 📈

[cobalt dock]

is my boy okay? @pearl garden

they removed the charge aswell?

[pearl garden]

Primary fire is now charged shot--no weapon skill at all.

[cobalt dock]

oki, better inscription pool now maybe

[pearl garden]

imo it's way better now. But my first test run with it was cracked so

[cobalt dock]

sounds like it should be better

[pearl garden]

Was hitting for millions many times per shot at times

[fallen escarp]

It seems higher damage-wise, but its lost the utility of shield breaking and its trying to force damage with a lightning element.

[pearl garden]

Melted R9 with Lone Wolf on 4 player

Granted I started with Counterviolence and Painkiller so lol but still

[fallen escarp]

That's... not exactly an achievement.

I mean, maybe it is for Thunder Storm but...

[pearl garden]

Had fun and the new version seems more consistent so I'm happy.

[cobalt dock]

should be a better inscription pool, which is what killed it alot

[reef creek]

Well.... I like the new Thunder Storm

Played Cat, not Painkiller

R4 because I didn't wanna tryhard

lemme grab a lil clip

Not my most powerful build but I don't remember having this much fun with another weapon

No aiming required, lightning arcs crit + poison3 is just fun

Also spore, yeah

Just shot at their general direction and funny tendrils go brrrr miasma everywhere

[pearl garden]

#gunfire-videos message

Here's mine. Pretty similar overall--just shoot where things are and they melt

Also using a lot of OP shit with it but, well, I'm not sorry about it.

[fallen escarp]

Yeah, I kinda just looked at that flying saucer and elite mandrill cavalry and couldn't help but think "Man, a Deafening Mortar would've been quicker".

[pearl garden]

Laser Glove w/rockets for sure

[waxen owl]

The new thunder storm looks like a fun mob cleaner

[void quail]

@reef creek howbare u critting tho since launchers cant crit

[cobalt dock]

the Countervoilence Belessing

time to have a go

oh

https://i.imgur.com/0OI6nhh.jpeg

[fallen escarp]

Thunder Storm actually can crit naturally.

The lightning arcs can and always have been able to, because they are technically really fast projectiles... or split-second hitscan beams, idk.

[cobalt dock]

the small archs do way more dmg now

[fallen escarp]

Yeah, 100% damage instead of like... 10%.

[cobalt dock]

that just changed everything

[waxen owl]

im not looking for checking this part in-game

[fallen escarp]

The impact explosion also went from 400% to 500%.

[cobalt dock]

so the weapons base dmg is "kinda" the arch dmg

cool tho

[fallen escarp]

Yep,

[cobalt dock]

like, a +1000% dmg buff

[fallen escarp]

This also means that it's absolute dogshit with Monke.

Kinda the same treatment as Deafening Mortar.

Not much of a consideration, but beforehand you could've used it for an essence chain build while stripping shields off anything you thought looked like a uncooperative tea party guest.

[cobalt dock]

it lost its function as a support weapon, but uh

[fallen escarp]

Yes, it's better as an actual weapon.

Thing is, how will it stack against similar weapons?

And do the devs realize they gave buffs to 3 weapons while not giving nerfs to any weapon, once more emphasizing the whole "players scale too much" problem the game has?

[void quail]

Man now im thinking about 6x projectile thunder strom witj spores

Might be the new bunny go to weapon

[fallen escarp]

Maybe, but maybe not.

[cobalt dock]

im seeing the impact do as much dmg as the arcs

[fallen escarp]

Also I don't believe you can achieve x6 projectiles anymore, at least not without stacking every projectile bonus under the sun.

[void quail]

Did they remove inscription?

[fallen escarp]

Point-blank. 112 is an arc, 787 is the explosion.

[cobalt dock]

im doing countervoilence + GI, so a bit harder to tell

but not seeing some big hits in there

[void quail]

Technically u can reach 8x projectile

[fallen escarp]

They changed how projectile inscriptions work. The +0.2 projectile per kill inscription is no longer multiplicative, for example.

[void quail]

Wait

Since when??

[fallen escarp]

I think since Monke got his Weapon Mastery blessing.

Because they had to change the way his shotgun soul strike bonus gave projectiles along with the talent for shotguns.

Something like that.

So they sorta... changed some other stuff.

So, +0.2 per kill is additive now.

[void quail]

So its 5x not 6x

[cobalt dock]

4x

[void quail]

Additive is after

So should be 5

Right?

[cobalt dock]

1 base, 2 from proj stacking, 1 from legendary inscription

[fallen escarp]

x1 base, +1 projectile +100% consumption, +0.2 per kill (up to +2).

[cobalt dock]

anyone used Justice?

that things a spore machine now

[fallen escarp]

Nah, but if it's anything like what Mobile sounds like, it's hilariously busted compared to the old version.

Hold on, the exclusive for the lava pool was... a hit every 0.5s.

For 3.5s.

[void quail]

Its base now

[fallen escarp]

Before the damage of each detonation was 310, but now theoretically it's 270 for the explosion and another 270 for 7 times after that.

Unless they made the lingering pool deal less damage.

[void quail]

New easy way to kill gollum boss

[cobalt dock]

the old pool did like 20%

[fallen escarp]

30%.

But I don't believe Mobile was that low, if it was reduced at all.

[cobalt dock]

ah

[spark vessel]

without the copycat shield buff it was still sitting at just shy of 1k base by the time i killed the final boss lol

oop idk why that message sent before my other one

hall of fame says if you've performed a feat you think deserves to be in it to contact staff. Have any of you ever seen someone with higher than 21500 effective shield? lmao (done solo on reinc 9)

wtf is happening

my messages are coming through all out of wack order lmao

[fallen escarp]

The hall of fame isn't really used all that much now.

[spark vessel]

fair

the image wont go through anyway it looks like lmao but i got to 2150 shield + permant 90% reduction. i just thought it was fun and then i saw the HoF lmao

[fallen escarp]

In the case of max shields, it can reach theoretically infinite numbers, thanks to enhanced Veteran and respawning enemies.

[spark vessel]

fair yeah ive just never seen a run go above a couple hundred or so shield before

[cobalt dock]

looking forward to buzz-saw

[fallen escarp]

Watch it be a rifle where you actually fire off individual sawblade teeth.

[kind void]

started a run as turtle after the update, pressed q aaaaaaand nothing. no damage, no sounds, nothing. anyone else having this issue or just me?

the animation plays and it takes the reserve, but it does absolutely nothing

[lucid nova]

uhh what

[fallen escarp]

What are you whating about?

[lucid nova]

like what does teh imprint do

would this work on monkey's primary

star ring buff LOL

[nimble flint]

Saves a weapon

[fallen escarp]

If it's how I imagine, if you die or quit (not sure about crashing), you keep imprinted weapons in the arsenal, while normally you'd lose them.

[nimble flint]

Keep it on you and it wont be lost

Normally only weapons stored are not lost
Imprinted weapons can be safely take out and are not lost upon run end or death

[fallen escarp]

Basically you can use whatever super lucky junk you find forever, as long as you keep paying soul essence to safeguard it.

This would be more useful if the arsenal was actually something you could access before your build is fully set up, but either way, it's a player buff.

[nimble flint]

Or rather at run start

[lucid nova]

and what if ur arsenal is full already

[nimble flint]

You have to do it at him

[small ledge]

I have seen the new steam patch

very exciting teaser

[somber solar]

Petrol gas powered gun looks fun in the teaser~

[small ledge]

It looks more like a whole ass chainsaw

[waxen owl]

All I could have in mind it charge up and send a ricoche saw, giving bleed dmg

[small ledge]

if it means dual-wield melee, that's all that matters

[waxen owl]

If it somehow deal dmg by holding it down, dual buzz saw sounds fun

somethin somethin exclusive inscription killing enemy while holding down button increase the power of the saw for both holding and shooting the saw

[upbeat drift]

fun tiger run

[waxen owl]

das sum fun looking +81 gold bow

[upbeat drift]

indeed

Not my highest level

but close enough

[waxen owl]

I dont think i break +50 limit yet

my highest prob +40 ish

[waxen owl]

thats one super early projectile+1

[upbeat drift]

indeed

[lucid nova]

welp time to break the game with some new zesty build :D

[upbeat drift]

that's all of them fr

r9 SUCKS

[waxen owl]

im planning to do funny woodpecker build
i feel like woodpecker need more love

[upbeat drift]

makes me play cautiously right away

I hate having to think for 5 rooms

[lucid nova]

skill issue lol

[waxen owl]

whEEze

[upbeat drift]

No issue of skill

Just issue of attention span

[lucid nova]

so it is a skill issue LMAO

[waxen owl]

R9 just one fun of juggling your teammate and you on reviving floor

[lucid nova]

attention span is something you need for gaming

[upbeat drift]

meh

[lucid nova]

or play solo and be happy you dont have someone dying every 2 seconds :D

[waxen owl]

nah i get lonely real quick

xDDD

[upbeat drift]

It's just you need something semi decent right away

you can't meme AS much right away

[lucid nova]

doubt

[upbeat drift]

I hate not being able to foundry only and take every cursed scroll

[waxen owl]

I always run R9 on everything

just gotta accept some cannot stand their own on the start

then end up become shredder mid run

[lucid nova]

i do silly builds only at this point

[waxen owl]

I just thinking dum build before play

[upbeat drift]

Working on the stats

[waxen owl]

Im planning to do chain lightning woodpecker with 3 elements
doubt it'll be good, but it sounds fun

I just love trying stupid build. Also in the same time majority the dmg gonna be barely 1bil most of the time

Is there channel for people sharing their stupid homebrewed builds

[lucid nova]

woah

first new mission guy

"super rare"

[waxen owl]

that looks fun

What even the right one success/fail condition

[lucid nova]

no clue lol

to much reading

i went for the shiny one on the left

[waxen owl]

Left one seems a fun way to get a lot of rare/legend scroll

[lucid nova]

free legendary yeah

can we all just appreciate the devs for updating this game so much?

[waxen owl]

new one

[lucid nova]

new thunderstorm is hella OP

its a launcher now lol

[waxen owl]

yes it is

[rotund plaza]

never got overwhelmed by a wall of text before

[waxen owl]

mmm r e a d

lots of the new missions are easy to clear anyway, which is good

[rotund plaza]

just finished 3-4 stage no dead as usual eh

oh I can scroll down

[waxen owl]

yes lol

[rotund plaza]

and this is not 8 rooms

the real objective is to complete 8 triple kills within 4 scenes

oh

[nimble flint]

Its easier than you think

[rotund plaza]

there's a new sound when talking with craftsman

[nimble flint]

Kill 3 or more enemies within 5 seconds

3 times

in 8 rooms time

[rotund plaza]

it's not 3 times in 8 rooms, it's 8 times in 4 rooms

misinterpreted

I'll capture the thing when I get it next time

[nimble flint]

where do you get the 4 ????

[waxen owl]

clank clank clank xD

[rotund plaza]

it showed 4 rooms icon on my side

[nimble flint]

Thats information only you had then. What I said is valid for the screen of the task you postwd

[rotund plaza]

idk

it's completed too quick for me to think of capturing it

[nimble flint]

its literally on the right side of the screen the tasl you have to do

when completing a room nothing happens..

how can that be too quick

[waxen owl]

its one of those task that clear very easily lol

[rotund plaza]

what can I say

it's 2 shot from this and the task is completed

anyway I'll try to capture it next time when I get it

be it tier I, II or III

@nimble flint here

[pearl garden]

Of course you are lol
🎯 📈

I'm sure that hit damage cap right

[cobalt dock]

i got 1 shot on enetering fjord from a god gunner

but yes, missing with Thunderstorm was better then hitting

[pearl garden]

It got a taste of what makes most things OP here: multihits

Sorta why I mentioned it being more consistent now. Because now you don't have to roll the -90% exclusive in a massive orange text pool to do a build revolving around the tesla damage.

Or deal with shooting the orb and waiting for it to get anywhere.

[reef creek]

Alright, how does one reach +80 on a weapon

I've gotten the enhanced thingy that gives chance to double improve as early as 2-1 and somehow managed +63

And I thought that was likely in the max number's ballpark

But nay, nay it seems

[reef creek]

OP is kinda overestimating but it's solid good

[lucid nova]

its very much so OP

[reef creek]

It ain't, mate

It is good and fun as all hell, probably my favourite experience in this game till now

[lucid nova]

from wiser lemon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTxSIIzz1so

and the thing is, you dont need a setup for it at all

[reef creek]

I had something similar with crits and poison3, everything it flew by was popping a grenade

All tendrils causing crits was crazy powerful

But: a crit gemini angelic aura (autoaim every 5 kills) with an enhaced crit+ sniper in the back was dealing such abusive damage on R9 to the point it was just not fun since there was no challenge. And I think that is not even close to what some people here build

[rotund plaza]

one +2 AoE and fire share is enough for a cat

[reef creek]

If you painkiller Cat it doesn't count lol

[rotund plaza]

Cat himself is a painkiller

no need to pick

[reef creek]

Also for the tendrils there is an exclusive inscription that increases the funny tendrils' range that I think is better than explosion range, but that is entirely based on: i like it

[reef creek]

Question about that one: can the bonuses become negative?

Never played it

[bleak quest]

Gunfire got a new update?

[reef creek]

Little patch, couple guns got reworked

[bleak quest]

Ah

[waxen owl]

Oh god Woodpecker got annoying high pitch noise everytime you shoot now

[somber solar]

Ohai, new music for run end :pog:

[waxen owl]

Chain Lightning triple elemental woodpecker is stupider than I thought-
I have to dump several scrolls and stop firing at several stages cuz I feel like I'm hogging the enemies.
This thing hits hard both mobbing and bossing-

[waxen owl]

#gunfire-videos message

[void quail]

@waxen owl i thought u cant have 3 orbs on 1 weapon

[waxen owl]

u mean element? or orbs on crits?

[void quail]

Yesh

[waxen owl]

The lightning from 50% element chance from chian lightning

fire and corrossive from weapon

[void quail]

Unless porcupine was for spores

Idk why u have that instead of aura venom

[waxen owl]

I have fire conversion on my woodpecker and just element share it with the porcupine, I didnt use the porcupine at all

and yes i prob gonna use Aura of Venom but considering the dmg goes too wild already i opt it out

[rotund plaza]

one question, W H Y

[waxen owl]

I got blessing in disguise on paddler before gluttony

c:::

[rotund plaza]

sadge

[waxen owl]

and a lovely unfetting will after defeating it

[rotund plaza]

sadge 2x

[bleak quest]

the new thunder storm might be one of my favorite weapons now

[void quail]

Its notnat strong as i thought

Unless its shit on crit lei lo

I had mine with corrosion and fire ball but maybe it needs lighting for spore action

[bleak quest]

I had spore and elemental damage on mine

[lucid nova]

now that thunderstorm counts as a launcher, does it also count as explosive dmg?

[void quail]

Only the direct hi

The archs dont they are skill dmg

[lucid nova]

whar? skill dmg???

[nimble flint]

errr

[lucid nova]

also yay got another one

[nimble flint]

no

Dont confuse the old weapon skill with the new thunderstorm now

[lucid nova]

k good i thought i was going insane lol

[nimble flint]

thats weapon dmg

And as was said , only the direct explosion of it should be explosion dmg tag

[lucid nova]

WOW THIS IS OP

[nimble flint]

Crop moment

[lucid nova]

you can just choose an ascension LMAO

[nimble flint]

but damn thats easy

[lucid nova]

super free

[void quail]

I wonder if dogs aoe increases thunder storm

[lucid nova]

what im testing rn

is the quest list updated on the wiki?

[void quail]

@nimble flint havent tested but when u drop ur weapon from the bank does it lose its affect to not disappear

[lucid nova]

aoe increase doesnt increase the ball radius

[void quail]

That's definitely bug

[nimble flint]

it affects the exposion of the ball but not the size of it or the reach of the thunder strikes

Smol explosion

Etched

Beeg explosion now

O.o

Holy mother of boom

Explosion radius +5m

Explosion the size of princes smoke nades

[void quail]

New inscription?

[nimble flint]

havent read anything about it but also never seen

[lucid nova]

looks good to me

[nimble flint]

This thing is shredding through R9

[waxen owl]

I experience good Nona time with that mag 1 + explosive AoE inscription
hitting wall and its all nice n red

[void quail]

Put it on dog

10 meter explosion

[nimble flint]

Thats what I have

Playing ya boi Ao Bai

[void quail]

Rainbow 2.0

[nimble flint]

This is with 0 Explosion size ascension

[waxen owl]

Is there any fun dumb build using Cavalry or Rainbow Arch?

[void quail]

You still have to click heads though

[waxen owl]

wtf thats bigger than I thought-

[nimble flint]

Again

Still can get that

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

[waxen owl]

a literal hand canon here

[waxen owl]

I love scorching round but I have the most problem hitting heads using it, I dunno where should I aim exactly cuz of the crosshair/projectile size

[void quail]

I only run counter violence so

[waxen owl]

ou

I always multiplayer so I dont really experience those Lone Wolf traits

[nimble flint]

+2m more

+4m

+9m explosion size

[void quail]

Not maxed yet?

[nimble flint]

Nope

+2 more to go

[waxen owl]

that looks fun tho

[nimble flint]

11m total extra possible

it is

Enemy Cover is a suggestion to me

House in the way ? Too bad

Explosion still hits you

[ionic jungle]

what's a good starter spiritual blessing if i select the bizarre dream one?

i'm using Li the fire one as my hero

not sure if she's good but she's fun

the big numbers with the fireball are hilarious

[nimble flint]

Overconsumption

Always Overconsumption
The densest single boost to all stats

[ionic jungle]

hmm kk

wouldn't that diminish my stats if i get a lot of scrolls though

or it doesn't matter

[nimble flint]

Not really

even with only 61% of the starting values I have 150+% weapon dmg

and you can see how many scrolls I have

[ionic jungle]

ah so it's not even that much

[nimble flint]

Nope

[ionic jungle]

still a decent chunk of stats

makes sense

[nimble flint]

Overconsumption you REALLY have to try to get to no value

but at that time you have so many effects from scrolls that it doesnt matter anymore

It will always be a plus

[ionic jungle]

got it

and for weapons is projectiles + always the best

or not really

[nimble flint]

Most of them

Also

Glorious +11m bonus to explosions achieved

[ionic jungle]

nice

[ionic jungle]

what's the difference between lucky shot and crit?

[nimble flint]

Lucky shot is chance

Crit is weakspots

[ionic jungle]

got it

[nimble flint]

The pins have a handy chart

[ionic jungle]

ill check those out ty

[waxen owl]

c:::

[inland glade]

one of my favorite pastimes in Gunfire currently is playing Nona and giving my teammate(s) all the scrolls I find that they don't already have, or won't actively hinder them

the fact I'm consistently doing more damage than them even when they have literally everything (even the owl with stuff like Enhanced Spirit Bible, Enhanced Deadly Curse), goes to show that Pair of Us is a fair and balanced blessing with no balance issues whatsoever

[void quail]

@nimble flint no polar kill vid?

[nimble flint]

Nope
I got nuked

[void quail]

All explosion no dmg

[nimble flint]

Well much dmg

but if you dont have much hp

poof

Its R9 lone wolf

[void quail]

R u telling me yoi couldn't clear

Well maybe u need to turn off lone wolf

[nimble flint]

Thats the challenge

Normal R9 got a bit boring and easy at times

gotta step it up

Lone Wolf

Non meta picks

[void quail]

Ik i messign with u

The other mod says that to anyone who complains about the elites

[reef creek]

Jesus Fucking Christ

[bright quest]

Do yall feel you need to press F twice when reviving others in the new OCT/21st update?

[reef creek]

what

I never played R9 non-LW4

Admitedly, I have precisely 01 win on R9 lmao

But that one w was the only time I survived Mysterious Jokul jumpscare Gathering

The way you worded it, is R9 non-LW4... easy?

[nimble flint]

When you know what to do yes

Some builds are almost autopilot if you make it past the tomb

R9 really is a test if your build can survive the tomb and early desert or not

[fallen escarp]

Correction. R9 really is a test if you can survive the tomb and early desert or not.

Because at that point, you literally don't have a build.

[void quail]

Yes

I thought it was just my controller that wasn't allowing me to rez

[waxen owl]

They do sometimes register even the reviving bar is not there
I revive people multiple times when its still 3/4 after I realize pressing res button once doesn't do anything

happened on 2 games at least
is that prob reason people just stare at my body when I'm down before reviving

[deep ore]

a good dumb build with rainbow arch is to get one with the "altfire consumes all ammo" one and just boost it to high heaven

[waxen owl]

o yea i remember wanting to build this thing
still need to do weapon farm run to find recent rainbow arch for it

[deep ore]

ez 10 mil

today i found out that money is a 16 bit unsigned integer

which technically means that at the top level extravagant consumption > rich's priveleges since there's a hard cap on getting money that with enough luck CAN be hit

[lofty bay]

wtf did they do to my boy Thunder Storm

[waxen owl]

perma right click now with extra buff
left click removed

[fallen escarp]

No longer fires piss-weak bullets and only fires thunderballs. No longer strips shields without an exclusive and projectile is slower, but lightning arc damage significantly increased, detonation damage slightly increased and ammo consumption halved.

Overall, it's now treated more like a genuine weapon for damage rather than a shield breaking utility, however this comes at the cost of now being a damage weapon with a lightning element and having a slow projectile. Debatable if it's any better than other similar weapons.

I would probably call it a deserved buff though. The sad part about it is it's also a player buff with no nerf compensation, making the state of the game even worse.

[lucid nova]

if only you would read the patchnotes lol

it says it in there (indication

[bleak quest]

got this

[spark raven]

does enemies in r9 have more health and dmg than r8 or is the dmg and the health the same

[glad iris]

same

for health, might be different for dmg though

[fallen escarp]

Not that it would've changed much, if you think about it.

Every enemy would've still been squarely in one-shotting range, and you'd still be in "ouch I got completely obliterated by this enemy with high DPS and Bleed enhancement" range.

[rotund plaza]

R9 is more about offensive and defensive mechanics enhance on monsters. Health is still the same as R7-R8.

[bleak quest]

I just like to think that R9 is just R8 but with limiters on you

[void quail]

They changed scroll but didn't list it

EDS is now 25% not 20%

[bleak quest]

I think they didn't list some changes

[fringe crystal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GunfireReborn/comments/1781jjt/just_got_an_insane_build/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

He was so proud n people are just flaming his ass 😭

Be humble yall

[lucid nova]

this poor guy, let him enjoy his first 10hrs of the game

tho a +5 tiger cannon aint much lol

[bleak quest]

So I'm exploring new builds and characters, is the Nona pistol build good?

If yes then I'll go around and blam blam people

[lucid nova]

nona pistol build OP

try it with star ring

[bleak quest]

I love Star Ring, it got a good change this patch

[bleak quest]

Any blessings that make it better?

[lucid nova]

general stuff like copycat, overconsumtion, counterviolence, skilled trick

[bleak quest]

Aight

[void quail]

Solo with same boat

[lucid nova]

same boat is good yeah

[fringe crystal]

Same boat is a must

[void quail]

Rush mag mod level 3

[fringe crystal]

Or pistol wont work as well

[void quail]

Same boat is any weapon

[fringe crystal]

Wait

I mean

Sameboat is much better than most

But youd wanna do pistols cause her ascensions focus on pistols

[void quail]

Only 2 do

And if you have counter violence one of them doesn't matter

[fringe crystal]

Theyre huge multiplicative

Idk why anyone would grab the reload one

Its so bad

[void quail]

One shot sunder is better than star ring build

That's y

[fringe crystal]

Ive never tried one shot sunder

I didnt even know that was possible before the tasks update

[void quail]

???

[fringe crystal]

I play in 4 mans

So im trying to one shot scaled enemies

Id rather a star ring because shots are easier to hit

[void quail]

You graba sunder with plus .2 per crit

[fringe crystal]

Ah

Ill give that a shot next time i play

[void quail]

My favis extra split with lighting ball

[fringe crystal]

Might be abit hard to get both on a sunder without masterful

Any other recommended inscriptions?

And what blessings do you recommend

[void quail]

Having 5 lightign balls on bosses is

[fringe crystal]

Its eye candy

Even better with T&G and bolt from the blue, just a full flashbang

[lucid nova]

t&g + bolt from blue + lightning balls is so much fun

[void quail]

Its easy

[lucid nova]

funny disco

[void quail]

Called weapon bank 1

[fallen escarp]

Hmm... thinking on this bit some more, I wonder if they're planning on adopting Borderlands' damage reduction system.

Where the damage you take is divided by all the reductions you have added together, giving it diminishing returns. That's what it looked like based on what the new indicator is doing.

So for example, 20% damage reduction would look like:
100 / 1.2 = 83.3
Instead of the current:
100 * 0.8 = 0.8

20% reduction and 50% reduction would look like:
100 / 1.7 = 58.8
Instead of the current:
100 * 0.8 * 0.5 = 40

And 90% reduction would look like:
100 / 1.9 = 52.6
Instead of the very different current:
100 * 0.1 = 10

On the flipside though, any damage increase combinations without reductions to counter them will totally fuck you over.

Hope they know what they're doing, because if this is actually the result of the change, Deflection Shield might make you take between 10 and 4 times the normal damage, based on talents unlocked.

[cobalt dock]

that math seems random as hell to me

nvm

[reef creek]

Woodpecker gains atk bonuses even when it causes no damage, it seems?

I was firing randomly at a shield guy and it became high-pitched, I assumed it meant damage up

[waxen owl]

I think as long you hitting the mobs

[placid dragon]

how to deal with the adds in elite act1? (rein 9)

[lucid nova]

kill them

[nimble flint]

Jokes aside that is true. Most of the elites just deal high dmg but all the adds in R9 pose a bigger threat due to their augments

a group of horsemen should be priority since they can block all dmg frontal for example

[lucid nova]

horseheads in r9 are pain

fun police moment

[nimble flint]

Beetle/Horsehead respawn is fuuuuuun

[lucid nova]

yum

oopsie a little thunderstorm incident

great the whole new "saving your weapons is glitched for me and deleted my 2 best rolls

thanks game

there goes my godroll argus and godroll piercing flame ;-;

welp time to restock i suppose

[waxen owl]

thats big sadge

[lucid nova]

yep

funny 2-1

[lucid nova]

all this and still no masterfull craftmanship

FINALLY

got a triple orb again!

[waxen owl]

ooo on dragonchaser, that looks fun

[lucid nova]

my boy is back!!!!

[lucid nova]

i am becoming too silly with builds :/

got this w/ thunderstorm, ele weave and t&g

[waxen owl]

Thats pretty much what I usually run on Tiger if I'm doing weapon+primary anyway
minus the Lightning Governor

[waxen owl]

Hm, just realized Thunder Storm's projectile is semi-solid
trying it with Doggo and my Tiger Canon and Bone Dragon just simply explode on my face after colliding with Thunder Storm's projectile

[fallen escarp]

It might still have the "shoot the lightning ball and it detonates" mechanic, despite Thunder Storm no longer having a way to actually shoot the ball itself.

[waxen owl]

Its tad annoying, I cannot pair it properly so I have to swap it out

[fallen escarp]

Get 2 Thunder Storms.

[waxen owl]

Someday
Can't pass it when I got pretty decent skill and ele dmg, ain't no way I'm not going corrossive/fire tiger canon

[pearl garden]

That's interesting it still functions like that

[placid dragon]

pure skill run on tiger

[reef creek]

Did you let the game running with foundry out for hours on end

[placid dragon]

no

i didn't get a sword

so foundry was just for me running

i mean the entire build was just pressing e

[nimble flint]

Game doesnt count use time but rather how often it was used aka fired

I do aprove of this screen

[placid dragon]

when i run owl couldn't get any cursed scrolls

got 12 when running tiger

[worldly path]

first run back with my lil bro

LOVEING the changes to justice and thunder storm

[fallen escarp]

Your teammate wasn't, based on the damage number difference.

[worldly path]

we where running bout equal/he was in lead till mid third area

and then in snow my dmg just left the game

then i ran some solos this new panda is op af

i ran mech drop/mislle barage/pistol in that order

[fallen escarp]

Yep.

[worldly path]

nearly any version of panda makes r9 seem easy peasy

[fallen escarp]

Certainly does.

[worldly path]

then i did a non dual weilding dog run cuz i havent done that

[fallen escarp]

Did it involve spamming 500 grenades at once?

[worldly path]

no was justice with the one dog army thing

[fallen escarp]

Fair enough.

[worldly path]

atmoic dog is more cheasy than panda lol

pandas at least fun

[fallen escarp]

If you want, you can take away that fun by using her idle build.

[worldly path]

everytime i do that it turns into a mech drop build XD

[waxen owl]

Pistol Nona is fun
minus scorching round being finnickey to headshot sometimes

Did the secondary build too, it's alright seeing infinite flying missiles both from Nona and the mech

[quasi arrow]

Good choice because rockets in a co-op are essentially useless

[worldly path]

How u figure?

[worldly path]

I use spear nona it does amazing

[waxen owl]

Yea saw friend using spear nona too
doesn't appeal to me so i still stick to scorching round

[worldly path]

Why scorching rounds?

Always found that gun lack luster

[void quail]

Technically ODA is the worse build for dog bc its only 2x dmg not 150% @worldly path

[worldly path]

Do u mean that its only 150 not 2x

[void quail]

Its not 150% tho

Technically its only 100% (which is 2x) bc in duel weild u do 50% more dmg flat

Also u have 3 skills that increase smg while duel welding

[worldly path]

It states 150% in tha blessing

Witch is 1.5x

[void quail]

U dotn know math

Its 100% plus %150

[worldly path]

Ik dual weilding is better i just was doing diffrent stuff for the sake of being bored

[void quail]

If ur doing 1 dmg and u take a 150% buff ur not doin 1.5 dmg ur doin 2.5 dmg

[worldly path]

And thats more than 2x but yes theres goblets that make dual weilding better than ODA i was doing ODA for the meme cuz ive done dual weilding so many times

Thats hiw i did 3 bil dmg is dual weilding justice and thunder storm

The time only took so long cuz we often take breaks between scenes/stages for food n stuff

[waxen owl]

high crit pistol with decent reload speed
Mag 1 Gemini it with Corrossive off hand using Elemental Share Ascension
U can combust with it easily while benefit with all Nona's pistol+reload ascensions. The rest u can figure cuz I dont feel like full mega essay it

last run got 2bil despite trash ascensions but decent scrolls and I have to slow down from Act 3 after I feel like hogging all the mobs/bosses

[worldly path]

Couldnt the corroside pistol do that pretty well to? I forget the name offhand

Plus the reload buffs help more and if u can manage to get skill trick blessing you're all set

[waxen owl]

it got free explosive too, helps with mobbing

but it an absolute boss killer
Act 2 worm boss pulped before it even dive into sand for the first time, R9 full team

4 goblets wasted on useless things

[void quail]

@worldly path while duel wielding u gain 50% dmg thats why i said 100% not 150%

[valid zephyr]

justice is pretty good now, and yes I know my ascensions were terrible but it still was insane

[void quail]

Thats CAP

Shock dom but not shcok??

[opal crane]

lightning conversion perhaps

[waxen owl]

Wait, is there a possible way to make Thunder Storm charge faster or is it just hard capped

[void quail]

@opal crane plz look at his comments and weapon

@waxen owl agile

[opal crane]

ah im blind sry

[waxen owl]

ou

[opal crane]

xD happens

third level grants the bonus when hitting people in shock effect tho, right?

so it would work even not on lightning weapons

[void quail]

No

Its just additional dmg to schokced enemies

120%shcock dmg and 120% dmg to shocked enemies

[fallen escarp]

Unless the RoF bonuses have secretly started working on charge time without me knowing, no.

There are pretty much 0 charge time reductions in the game.

Shrieker used to have an exclusive for it so it did exist and could've existed beyond that weapon, but now it doesn't and it won't.

[waxen owl]

gotcha

[valid zephyr]

no lightning conversion. I originally had the electrodominance for the thunderstorm but I switched to a justice just for fun and It ended up working better than expected.

[pearl garden]

Finally got around to trying the new Justice. Had a ridiculous run scroll-wise.

Feels good

[fringe crystal]

does deadly counter make the justice crit?

or just counter violence

[fallen escarp]

Makes any weapon hit crit.

As long as it counts as weapon damage, Deadly Counter will make it crit.

Except spores. They had to actually add an exception there because crit spores was just so hilariously broken, even when compared to the current broken spores.

[placid dragon]

how are you supposed to defend the seal in reincarnation 9 act 1.3?

it is like impossible

one enemy shot is like 10% of that cube's health

[pearl garden]

It's possible. Depends if you've decided to take an OP blessing early on/got lucky with loot. Otherwise if you're white knuckling Tombs and just scraping by until you get a build early game R9 is like pulling teeth.

There are times where I'm doing the later and have to cut my loses and exit the vault/move on. Which honestly is a refreshing feeling considering this game is often a curbstomp if you pick certain things.

Like starting with Counterviolence and Painkiller on Crown Prince like the above run oops heehee

[fallen escarp]

Anything to delay enemies helps alot.

Decay, Stagger, Manipulation, Freeze and Slow effects.

So corrosive weapons/Cat's Smoke Grenades, most explosives/Melee Weapons/Leap/Fierce Charge, any combo of Shock+Burning/Intimidating Presence, Energy Orb/Thunder Step, and Essence Chain.

As some examples.

[pearl garden]

Ao Bai's nades staggering is lowkey the only reason why he can survive Tombs if not picking a blessing bandaid.

[fallen escarp]

Just don't get hit. 😂

[rugged swan]

i heard somebody said shrieker was the best weapon in the game and they were right

this thing scales with weapon damage, skill damage, crit, lucky shot, everything

[void quail]

@fallen escarp with the 3x projectile inscription for justice (legendary one) when u also get the 3x blue one would it be 7 or 9?

[fallen escarp]

I don't know because I haven't gotten that combination yet.

(Also it would be either x5 or x9.)

[void quail]

Well i got double ontop of the 3x smaller one and it was shooting 6

So i think its 10 then ?

[fallen escarp]

It would be x9 in that case.

[void quail]

Bc u can get 5 and each has 3 smaller

So its 15

?

[fallen escarp]

Because if +1 gets you 6 total, +2 would get you 9 total.

[void quail]

Its not plus 2 tho

[fallen escarp]

x3 is +2.

[void quail]

Its changes each projectile into 3

[fallen escarp]

3x blue one

[void quail]

No legendary

[fallen escarp]

The only blue inscription which could achieve that is +0.2 up to +2.

[void quail]

Im talking aout the legendary inscription

[fallen escarp]

You were talking about both.

[void quail]

Projectile is turned into 3x smaller projectile but each do 40% less

[fallen escarp]

So I was referring to the blue inscription you were talking about.

[void quail]

If u also get the double projectile u now have 6
So if u get blue inscription ur shooting 5 big ones bit they now become 15 small onew right?

[valid zephyr]

Don't forget you can also get the green inscription for another projectile

[void quail]

Thats only .2

I guess u can get .48 but that 48% for 3 more projectile ill rather take double ROF

[valid zephyr]

Got this, not the most projectiles but close

[small ledge]

FELLAS

THE BRICKENING BE UPON YE

[upbeat drift]

you are a fake brick fan

You don't have 9 bricks

My friend now has 9 bricks all enhanced with +projectiles

[small ledge]

FOOL! I am the realest brick fan you've ever seen!

Even my house is made of bricks!

[upbeat drift]

prove it

SHOW ME YOUR BRICK COLLECTION

[small ledge]

what of my collection?

I prove my worth as Brickmaster in Mettle

What good is a sword that never leaves it's sheath?

[kind void]

my bricks are better than yours.

[upbeat drift]

(my friend)

[small ledge]

your bricks collect DUST in an unused feature

My bricks are born of COUNTLESS trial!

[kind void]

I use only bricks I find on the field for all bricks are created equal

[upbeat drift]

and he keeps the shiny ones

FOOL

YOU HAVE LOST

[small ledge]

Then you agree that your so-called collection of bricks is moot?

[kind void]

you need more than one brick to build a wall

[small ledge]

FOOL!

My entire wall is just one massive brick

[upbeat drift]

alone, one is weak, together, they are strong

[small ledge]

a house of divided bricks cannot stand

[kind void]

what is a wall but one giant brick

[small ledge]

for they lack the plaster of common ground

[upbeat drift]

You have lost the battle of the bricks, and shall be demoted to brick apprentice

[small ledge]

I have lost nothing

[upbeat drift]

You have lost an equal

[small ledge]

I've yet to see your friend's dedication to the brick come anywhere close to mine

[upbeat drift]

Then you are blind

And alone, your wall shall fall

[small ledge]

HAH

have at me then!

We shall see how much you size up to the sheer malrelent of my Shun-Brick Satsu

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751520514446458920/1121224280290631761/20230621_163525_1.gif

[somber solar]

Imagine his Trascendant Arsenal be all (Enhanced) Bricks.

[unique basalt]

do you all think game gonna go on discount until november im asking because steam removing turkish lira from steam so its gonna be usd for us if you all saying it might not then i'll just buy the game lastly im sorry if my english is bad

[nimble flint]

Most likely not

What Steam does with the changes to regional prices in some regions is completely detached from all the games being on sale or not right now

[unique basalt]

yeah i just asked because of halloween thing

but thank you

[rotund plaza]

scoping while dual wielding?

[lucid nova]

mmmmm

wich one

@fallen escarp surely you know

[unique basalt]

i bought the game and my first impression is its very enjoyable i died very fast tho

[lucid nova]

very good game

[iron dune]

Is tao frame bugged to unlock still?

[valid zephyr]

lol thats the same one i got

[vast fjord]

Does spore works best with a high RoF gun or shotguns?

[proud shale]

high rof for applying, shotgun (argus) for applying

[fallen escarp]

To specify, high RoF for shooting, shotgun for upgrading. Have both at once.

[proud shale]

i just noticed my typo, lmao

[vast fjord]

could you elaborate on upgrading? like leveling it up at the craftsman?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[vast fjord]

Does upgrading the shotgun makes the spore work better on the high RoF gun or something?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[vast fjord]

That's an interesting mechanic...

[pearl garden]

Spore's damage cares about the base damage of both weapons and you get more economy upgrading the shotgun since each upgrade increases the damage more than upgrading the high RoF weapon

[vast fjord]

Ohhh ok, thanks for that explanation... ol' wise lemon

[pearl garden]

Just had a Crown Prince run with this. Gluttony is a weird boss and I'm not sure I like it. But oh well.

The ascension fusion pool that run was pretty garbage. Ended up with Eye of the Storm and Close Combat

[fallen escarp]

Fun fact: Just like Interdependent Fortunes and Mission From Above, you can decide to completely ignore some selections if you don't find anything useful there, to remove any possibility of the modifiers having a required downside.

So if all Close Combat was gonna do is clog up your ascension pool, just don't pick it and have only 1 ascension selected.

[unique basalt]

if i want to buy a dlc which one i should buy first for weapons

[fallen escarp]

Depends on what you value more. A weapon to use with skills and shooting shields onto teammates, or a brick.

[violet kiln]

how do explosive hand and persistence interact?
does the clearing on impure prevent you from getting the explosive hand bonus damage?

[iron dune]

is Tao frame bugged to obtain again?

[jade quartz]

Is cloud weaver any good? I can't understand how to use it..

[fallen escarp]

If I had to guess, Explosive Hand makes Persistence redundant, because Explosive Hand forces your aspects to match.

[pearl garden]

Done this several times but started the run thinking I'd do some weird noscope zoom build. Didn't happen. But yeah sometimes I just take 1 that's relevant or even none. I could've taken Ember Eruption I guess but...I mean, it's Ember Eruption.

[fallen escarp]

Ironically, some other heroes can make better use of Ember Eruption than Dog can, so it's better for them.

Monke going Soul Strike or Owl going 1-mag, for example.

[pearl garden]

Yeah I'm hoping to have it on a 1mag run with perhaps Overload or whatever Nona's one is called.

[fallen escarp]

Nimble Finger.

[pearl garden]

The 1 mag gemini buffed Ember Eruption to a point where it's at least somewhat exciting but I've been through so many goblets before where it's just...there that it's hard for me to admit to its value even where it clearly has some now. (And then in some cases)

Probably more of an issue with other things in the game being so strong that by proxy it feels weak. But that's true for a lot of things.

[solemn sleet]

RE9 is still easy wtf

waiting for re10

[fallen escarp]

R10 won't fix anything, just like R9 didn't fix anything.

You'll still have access to Painkiller, Spirit Feline, Splinter Orb, All or Nothing, Iron Wing, Multiplayer Revives and any build that does enough damage to one-shot every enemy 5 times over.

[solemn sleet]

ill just have to slights way it

[waxen owl]

R10
No spiritual blessing on starting area
2 Max Spiritual slot

[fallen escarp]

That actually would make a difference.

Unfortunately it's a player nerf, and we can't have that.

[waxen owl]

sadge

[fallen escarp]

Even sadder is it would emphasize the whole "act 1 hard, act 4 easy" problem too.

Because even with 2 spiritual blessings and whatever scrolls/ascensions/weapons you find you'll probably still turn everything into a fine powder.

[waxen owl]

considering if you could get the 1st blessing to be your desired exclusive spiritual blessing

if not
just pray ya get decent scroll/ascensions

[fallen escarp]

Don't even have to gamble it.

Unless you're doing a coop game where someone will likely get what they need anyway, you can just save then repeatedly quit and start the run until the spiritual remnant offers the blessing you want.

Unintended, but still exists anyway.

[waxen owl]

yea, but u need to beat 1st boss first to do that if R10 happen to not offer u spiritual blessing on the starting area

[fallen escarp]

That's the whole "act 1 hard, act 4 easy" thing.

Which already happens because we get 1 blessing and no online build.

It'll just be, more.

[waxen owl]

tbh if people really that dedicated to repeat every 1st boss just to get the one exclusive blessing they wanted
I kinda dont want it suddenly become the meta gameplay

egh, let the devs think about it
i didnt play the game long enough to know what is what for what what

[fallen escarp]

How else do you think we got the refresh at the first spiritual remnant?

People restarted runs so much and complained that they needed to in order to get their desired blessing.

[waxen owl]

nice xDDD

I suppose what else R10 gonna be then
They kinda already shoving entire mobs buffs along with elite invasion rate up

[fallen escarp]

It's actually a wonder that they haven't given refreshes to all blessings yet, given that they actually did that for spiritual ascensions in Spiritual Assault.

[fallen escarp]

Only thing it can be that would reasonably make a difference is giving more enemies immunity shields so they don't die instantly (people will hate this), or buffing enemy HP so much that OP builds can't one-shot easily, but every other build takes forever to kill each enemy (people will demand buffs for the weaker stuff).

Oh yeah, and in either case Painkiller Cat will still reign supreme.

[compact cypress]

how do you stop iron wing from shooting the boss on the ice boss stage the big mouthbellyhand guy. when his bar goes purple i keep trying to move iron wing away but he keeps shooting him giving all his health back

[reef creek]

Maybe summon it behind a stone pillar thingy?

Never tried it, just thought it would work

[cursive lance]

When you play 3 games and search for some good weaps to put in arsenal and can’t find any, then you turn off arsenal and find something you like.

[unique basalt]

how can i learn builds i really liked ao bai's skill

any advice please

[lucid nova]

just go owl with variable scrolls and get enhanced craftsmanship

[worldly path]

quick question does anyone know if the combine elements gemini and painkiller work together? like does it double stack all the elemntal effects?

ahhh nevermind it has an internal cooldown of 2 seconds

[waxen owl]

Which build u looking to do tho
You can open wiki to see some pre-build set

[cursive lance]

Going to have to. I think arsenal is fun for different builds and i’m in favor of the location is opens up (Act 3, stage 3) but oof sometimes i wish i could use those weaps a lil earlier. Thanks for the advice

[unique basalt]

i dont know i just unlocked it and i liked the character

i dont have any dlc so i need a good weapon advice and which scrolls i should take etc.

[waxen owl]

Tbh some scrolls are pretty straight forward. Weapon damage for weapon, skill damage for skill
it would be forever if I try to explain every one of them
ya could just keep playing until at least you are maxed leveled first

The golden goblets on Ao Bai also pretty straight forward, ya gotta just read them to see which one helps your run
Red one for weapon, Green one for survivability, Yellow one for bomb skills

if there's very specific thing you have concern/want to know about, you can try to ask and its easier to explain.

[unique basalt]

thank you i used 1 justice and 1 angelic aura i liked my damage but are there better options

[waxen owl]

They both are good
You can also do 2 justice or 2 angelic aura
there's a lot of good weapon for Ao Bai depends on your build

The Yellow Golden Goblets also provides damage for your weapon/explosive
Blue Checkmarks helps with explosive weapon like Justice, Tiger Canon, Deafening Mortar, Thunder Storm, Scorching Round and any of the weapon that explodes

Green Checkmark helps with general weaponry, reload gives extra damage, but if your build let you shoot infinitely, do not take the green checkmark

[unique basalt]

thank you very much and what kind of skill path i should follow like i mean general for leveling

[waxen owl]

Tbh I dont know much about it, but you can just take whatever you feel like u need
If you often play in co-op, focus on taking everything regarding revive timer

[reef creek]

Painkiller on new Justice is gonna make the weapon broken no matter what, right?

I shouldn't take it, it will interfere with my attempt to have fun in a new way

[waxen owl]

well, u can definitely mega brokey it with cat painkiller, like usual

[unique basalt]

thank you again

[waxen owl]

big love
it'll take a while to know what's good with what anyway, so just take your time

[spark raven]

what does imprinting a weapon do?

[worldly path]

painkiller is good n all but mega brokey? its got a 2 sec cooldown

[void quail]

Elemental orb way better

[waxen owl]

idk, every painkiller cat i see are broken af
at least enough to make things a walk in the park

or im exaggerating it cuz having a cat in coop team always makes things super easy and painkiller only making Act 1 extra easy which making me to believe painkiller is broken

[worldly path]

everythings broken if u do it right thats why i love this game

[lucid nova]

Painkiller is extra low effort tho

[quaint maple]

"10% chance to recover all charges when you pick up a secondary skill. (Up to 80%) If you have completed or are completing a target of the same series, the chance becomes 5%."

anyone know what this means?

the last part*

[fallen escarp]

Collect it multiple times, the bonus drops.

You'd get 10%, then 15%, then 20%...

[quaint maple]

ohh got it ty!

[jovial radish]

There is no audio coming from my game?

[waxen owl]

How's the in-game audio setting or your windows audio mixer?

[jovial radish]

They are all at like 50

and audio mixer is 100

[glad iris]

Is there audio coming from your pc at all?

[jovial radish]

Its through my headphones

and yes I can hear everything else except the game

[glad iris]

Is your game muted in the mixer?

[jovial radish]

no

[glad iris]

Did you try restarting?

[jovial radish]

yes, and even verifying the Integ

[glad iris]

Even the pc?

[jovial radish]

Not the pc

however I have turned it on or off

ill try that

[glad iris]

Also if you haven't, check your other volume mixer.

[jovial radish]

I have, and when I do any action in game it shows zero sound increase

[glad iris]

This one?

You can individual change each output.

[jovial radish]

Yes

[waxen owl]

Try other game if other game might have the same issue
if it persist on GFR then i dunno

[jovial radish]

Its only gunfire

[waxen owl]

when it occur?
mid-game or when u just launched the game today and it has no audio

[jovial radish]

Launched

[waxen owl]

either u got some rare bug or your pc doing funny by hating GFR
any changes u did previously like windows update or updating your audio driver or somethin

[jovial radish]

I did a regular driver update

However I do have a windows update pending

[waxen owl]

might be driver thing

[jovial radish]

So I did an Windows Update and Reset. Launched the game two times, and both had Audio. So I think my PC Might have just been out of date that ended up interacting weirdly with the latest gunfire patch.

Either way thank you for the help friends

[waxen owl]

big love

[lunar bridge]

you are correct that there's a cooldown, but the thing they makes it broken is that the cooldown is applied per target (aka each target has its own individual cooldown) and not globally.

if that makes sense. :v

[restive torrent]

Oh is this rare or is this common?

exact 15 million

[fallen escarp]

Guaranteed with enough damage stacking.

Enough damage stacking is very common.

[turbid juniper]

Just started playing not too long ago. I had Paranormality and Feline Spirit. From how it reads, I should essentially have been invincible. But some DMG would do no damage and then some would do normal damage. How do you know which damage will actually damage you? Feline spirit just says DMG, not a certain type of damage. For reference this is everything I had.

[fallen escarp]

Spirit Feline says Total HP, which is HP + Shield/Armor.

[turbid juniper]

Then why did it consistently 100% deny damage from some enemies attacks?

[fallen escarp]

You've got Lightless Shield.

[turbid juniper]

Like the snipers it blocked 100% of the time. But the flying saucer it never blocked

Ah. Maybe I should've just let them shoot me more. Lol. Ok. So total HP is also shield and not just HP. Got it. Should be reworded to say HP+Shield/Armor

[fallen escarp]

It used to say HP + Shield/Armor. Don't know why it got changed.

[turbid juniper]

Thanks! Saw that I wasn't taking any damage from Gluttony and then I was suddenly dead and I was real confused lol.

[meager dew]

is there a way to stop the game from crashing?

ive had so many runs get ruined cuz the game crashed

[unique basalt]

can i find something like dlc characters guide i liked li and the monkey ( i dont know the name the one like sun wukong )

[waxen owl]

Try to look some past issue people having regarding game crashing, there might be some solution to try
use discord search in here perhaps
if still not work just simply game integrity/reset default settings/update drivers

[waxen owl]

wiki got a lot of info and has some pre-build guide on it
the rest if u want specific question ya could just ask here

[unique basalt]

thank you i've watched speed run video and the man was doing great damage while im doing less is it because im playing it on normal

[waxen owl]

ya cant process much things on speedrun video xDD
There's bunch of other mechanic making them able to do that

Also ya need to level up your character/stats too, they are one of the factor of making your characters manage to survive and dealt more damage

Also Normal/Elite/Nightmare difficulty run is different compare to Reincarnation difficulty run
ya might see things u wont see in your run if u happen to watch them doing Reincarnation run

[unique basalt]

oh i got it now thank you

[ionic jungle]

whoooooo

finally did it!

now can do reincarnation 8

[unique basalt]

i finally did normal but my damage was kinda low

[waxen owl]

lacking level upgrades gonna make you deal barely any damage anyway

as long its enough for ya to complete a run is enough

[split plinth]

cant wait for sawblade so i can do an actual melee build with turtleth

the only one ive done that actually feels good is fire tower with a corrosive Gemini to nuke enemies

more of an elemental build than melee tbh

[nimble flint]

hmmmm

One nerf the new Thunderstorm needs imo

The lighting tendrils shouldnt be able to crit...

Rather only the direct explosion hit

[void quail]

Only 3 mill

Looks pretty balanced to me

[nimble flint]

This was no dmg build

ROF and HP and Survivability

[lucid nova]

they should be able to crit but just lower the critX

[nimble flint]

It is 2x base though

[lucid nova]

then make it like 1.5 like most launchers

[waxen owl]

Yea I dont mind it got slight crit nerf
gun felt underwhelm for me but proven wrong in dmg numbers, its one of my high dmg run with thunderstorm

[nimble flint]

You mean 1.0 CritX or not ?
Cause the 1.5 is because of talent tree

Which is why it ingame has 2.5

1.0 base could work as it then would be at max talents 1.5

[void quail]

Thunder storm is juat a mob cleaner

Bad boss dmg bc tenticles cant stack smg

[muted cave]

anyone for a gamr

[nimble flint]

Gluttony and the other bosses didnt like the Thunderstorm though

You just need to aim slighty besides their weakspot

Like Abysal serpent got roasted with dual wielded Thunderstorm

it could hit both sides of its weakspot

[lucid nova]

yeah, its good for bossing

[lucid nova]

ye that

[fallen escarp]

Nerf after a buff? In this update cycle?

Nah nah you got it all twisted around the wrong way. What we do here is massive buff after tiny nerf that people complain about.

[lucid nova]

yeah, ur right. make it 4x critx