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[acoustic whale]

the lite part tho is where the arsenal entires the room

TURTLE

[rotund plaza]

one shot the crap out of most elites + =

[cobalt dock]

thats the upside of friends, maybe someone else brings decay

[reef creek]

what

I couldn't go past 78

[cobalt dock]

get the correct blessing

[reef creek]

the one that stops it from falling down, I would guess

It probably takes some correct timing on the dashes

[nimble flint]

Not really

Getting Blessing
Activate Shield
Dash like a mad man and punch air
Easily get over 100 Stacks

[fallen escarp]

If you have trouble getting it, somehow, you can also pick Overconsumption from Lone Wolf for that -50% cooldown.

That way it's even achievable without Tidal Aspis.

Or punching to boost the pause timer.

[acoustic whale]

I just punch

[prime walrus]

also what i find make dashing easy is putting dash on left mouse when playing with dashi boy because i have third mouse button on left side of left mouse button that when hold trigger left mouse button like crazy XD

[reef creek]

Oh

I got it lmao

dash and punch

[fallen escarp]

And now quit the run to refund the soul essence. Only thing that frame cost you was a minute of your time.

[lucid nova]

Can someone give me a good build to hit 180mil dmg in one hit? I got the argus already

Like what blessings and ascensions to prioritize

[prime walrus]

man i like this one a lot XD

[lucid nova]

I had it go up to 1000% once

Strikewing critxshare both with 0.4 extra critx and hawkeye sight and glazed sight and counterviolence

Can get it higher if you go gradual improvement

[lucid nova]

neat

little overkill on the luckyshot xD

[cobalt dock]

its un-capped, so it's good

[fallen escarp]

~~In this game, there is no such thing as overkill.

There is either "You killed it in 1 hit" or "Your build is a failure".~~

[bold fulcrum]

for the love of god, please add a rejoin feature to this game. My friend has poop ping and so tired of us needing to restart bc he disconnects

[lucid nova]

really now? learning new stuff everyday lol

[lucid nova]

better alternative! get better internet

since i played with ppl from australia and im in the netherlands and i didnt dc a single time

[bold fulcrum]

might be the game but i blame his internet, he doesnt disconnect from other games we play besides gunfire

plus a reconnect feature would help a lot in other aspects

[lucid nova]

a reconnect would help yeah

but in your case a good ol ethernet cable will do the trick

[bold fulcrum]

he uses one already

[lucid nova]

then he has the worst cable or the worst subsciption ever

[tawdry sun]

My latest creation! The 1000 Cuts Scalpel!

[lucid nova]

and now get advanced depot or bloody ammo

[tawdry sun]

Nah. Fish or Bear Paw.

[lucid nova]

dont forget to put it in alternate firemode for even more pelets (ik its less dmg but funny)

[tawdry sun]

Any ammo restoration works, really. That's why I got the ammo return inscription.
Consumed way too much otherwise. Even on Tao with Lv3 Warlike Blade + Enhanced Genesis.

[tawdry sun]

Less damage. But then you play Tao and watch them bloom to oblivion. Even more efficient than spores.

[fallen escarp]

Despite the projectile count being extremely high now, it unfortunately pales in comparison to what it once was.

[tawdry sun]

What was it like before?

[fallen escarp]

The +1 proj, +100% consumption inscription used to be +2 proj, +200% consumption, and the +0.2 proj per kill inscription used to be multiplicative.

[tawdry sun]

lol

[fallen escarp]

With just those 2 you could hit x18 projectiles.

Now that combo would only be x8.

[tawdry sun]

That brings the maximum from x24 to x10. Ouch.

[fallen escarp]

Well actually it would be x22.5 to x10.1, but close enough.

The latter number also includes the Multiple enhancement, which didn't exist back then.

[prime walrus]

niice

[pearl garden]

Nice full auto shotgun you have there

[clear edge]

so im trying to hit a billion on all characters in multiplayer r8/9 4 players. only have turtle bird tiger and cat. i know i can hit a billion on bird/tiger easily but cat is probably demonlore stuff and im not sure how aspis works on turtle. Is it based on weapon dmg? should i take a specific blessing? etc (should i just do punch?)

[lunar vigil]

aspis is all skill dmg except for half of the backhand he does when he drops it

easiest way to do a lot is to rack up punch damage buffs probably

wave-breaking blow is a big one

[clear edge]

so just grab lots of aspis/punch related things and punch/slam?

[lunar vigil]

basically yeah

dash is also good to get

[lucid nova]

what does this mean in todays daily challenge

[lunar bridge]

iirc, it exists as a buff icon. you should be able to check it in-game.

i think you get weapon related buffs on every kill? like, lucky shot%, weapon dmg%, etc.

[lucid nova]

ah found it

thx

how do you guys hit 180mil dmg in one hit? i just had a godrun on monkey with the argus and i only hit 45mil

[lucid nova]

@cobalt dock surely you know a good setup to hit 180mil right????

[cobalt dock]

Spirit argus?

[reef creek]

Everytime someone says something about damage, they mention this weapon

Imma farm some arsenal runs and search for a incredible argus and try it

Can I run the same weapon multiple times with various characters if I don't die?

[tawdry sun]

What would a theoretically perfect Spirit Argus have?

[cobalt dock]

#wiki-discussion message @lucid nova @reef creek

[lucid nova]

thank

[cobalt dock]

Fierce
Mag Share
Spirit
65% against element
50% against Burn
50% against Decay
50% against Shock

[tawdry sun]

Looking at the formula for damage calculation, wouldn't Multiple be better to get more pellets?

[lucid nova]

this is the one im trying it with

[cobalt dock]

Multiple is the same, sisn Cudgle is capped at 10

Fierce should be more

[tawdry sun]

Oh yeah. Disregard, I am blind.

[cobalt dock]

1 roll good roll

[lucid nova]

yeah its not optimal for sure

should i farm a new one?

[reef creek]

Amazing, but not for me for I don't play multiplayer and had no idea friendly shaped has a fucking clone lmao

[cobalt dock]

idk

[tawdry sun]

Can you give other players your weapons from arsenal?

[lucid nova]

if you drop them ye

[cobalt dock]

take it out and drop it to another person

make them pay on paypal first

👁️

[lucid nova]

walter wanna help me reach one of the funny numbers?

since you clearly need to do it multiplayer

[cobalt dock]

i ain't doing anything else, sure

[lucid nova]

:D

[cobalt dock]

get one of these

lol, was a gif

[tawdry sun]

I'll start on crafting the perfect Argus.

[vale trout]

does pair of us increase fire mode too?

[fallen escarp]

🎉 🥳 🎂 🎉 🎊

Today is a wonderful day! It's the 2 year anniversary of the very first overpowered blessing buff!

Let's all celebrate this day by playing Atomic Dog, as Atomic Bomb was the blessing in question that got ridiculously buffed!

[lofty bay]

[lucid nova]

it has been done! thanks to walter for helping me

[clear edge]

so all i have left to 1B+ is cat and tiger, i know tiger will get there since he does big dmg already and i plan on using brick for the fun times. is cat's only real choice demonlore? im not sure painkiller overkills and im not sure combustion will be consistant enough to get over and over

[lucid nova]

tiger is easy to hit 1 bil on accident

[cobalt dock]

Cat is Fire Tower

[clear edge]

so just rush pyro 3 , lob a smoke and start whacking things with fire tower + fire elemental share weapon build?

[cobalt dock]

basicly

[clear edge]

what blessing should i take first?

Also besides pyro 3 and that one asc that increases dmg if they are affected by elem is there any other essential asc?

[fallen escarp]

Energy Blade.

[reef creek]

What? Fire + Fire? Wouldn't combustion be better?

[clear edge]

i mean at that point your smoke grenade is 100% corrosion right? so higher proc chance of combustion on whack

[reef creek]

I forgot about grenade for a sec there

[fallen escarp]

Corrosion is the only element that doesn't have a 50% chance weapon.

So unless you find a double chance Prism or Aura of Venom, you'd have lower chance.

And a much lower initial chance when they aren't affected by Burning.

[reef creek]

I see, never realized that

On that note, do those elemental coversion links work with dual wielding for your off-hand weapon?

I mean having a fire gauntlet and neutral illusion, does the shotty become corrosion due to conversion on dual wielding or only when main handed?

[cobalt dock]

only main

[kindred vector]

o

[acoustic whale]

No, not enough lucky shot

[thorn marten]

Anybody wanna play?

[junior sonnet]

I'm in a run with the "After killing 5 enemies, bullets will home in on nearby enemies' weak points with +1.0x CritX for 10s." Inscription on my wolf gaze. It felt like the inscription wasn't working so I counted my kills and it's taking way more than 5 enemies for this thing to proc... Are there specifics not stated?

Do I need to get the 5 within a certain amount of time? Can I kill with my abilities or with secondary fire and have it still count?

[fallen escarp]

Don't swap weapons.

And the kills must be done with the weapon.

[junior sonnet]

If the aoe from howl kills does it count?

[fallen escarp]

Probably.

[junior sonnet]

I've been trying to kill rooms of ~30 enemies with just this gun and it hasn't been procing

Maybe it's just buggy idk

[glad iris]

Use spores with it and you'll see it proc quite often.

[rotund plaza]

Painkiller Sword

Should've been on Fire Tower

[thorn marten]

Anybody wanna play?

[proper beacon]

To play with other players, head over to the Looking For Group channels and follow the instructions:
#1064937664870101033

[rotund plaza]

I think I started to love that Aspis Slam sound, especially when slamming a group of monsters.

[lucid nova]

i like it, the radius is just to small for me to enjoy it alot

[lucid nova]

the funny

[rotund plaza]

wait

I somehow bypassed Wind God's forced invincible phase on R9.

[rotund plaza]

Same 1 mag, now with Shrieker

[prime walrus]

how this is work?

so do you need like 4 times hitting weapon to get 180%?

[lucid nova]

ye

basicly shotguns

[nimble flint]

or piercing effects

or explosions

with a single shot you need to make x hits

how is up to you

thunder glover can trigger

Rainbow with split beam can trigger

lining up enemies to hit with a piercing effect trigger

[prime walrus]

wait was there shotguns dealing just 4 times?

[lucid nova]

yeah

multiple pellets

[prime walrus]

are they much more than 4

[lucid nova]

i dont think there is a shotgun that doesnt have 4 or more pellets

most of em are like 15ish pelets

[prime walrus]

that is why i'm confused about this skill

which master it serve?

[fallen escarp]

Qing Yan, because it's his ascension.

[prime walrus]

nah you can get it to everybody 😄

[fallen escarp]

It's his by default.

[prime walrus]

Do you know how victory rush working?

[fallen escarp]

Everyone else needs extras.

[prime walrus]

and which weapon it is like good

[fallen escarp]

Way it works is if you hit more than X times in a single shot, you get Y bonus.

[prime walrus]

and how 1/2/4 part works

so if you deal 5 times it give no bonus?

[fallen escarp]

If you hit 1 or more times, you get a small bonus. Hit 2 or more times, you get a medium bonus. Hit 4 or more times, you get a big bonus. Only the highest bonus counts.

[prime walrus]

oh wait you saying 4 or more

hmm wait okay okay i read it again

no less than a certain number part seems like confused me

[lucid nova]

seems pretty straight forward to me...

[rotund plaza]

Is it that hard to understand Victory Rush?

[lucid nova]

nah its pretty simple

if ur shot deals more that X amount of hits then get bonus dmg

[rotund plaza]

yah pretty straightforward

[prime walrus]

yeah for a second i assume it says less than this numbers to get bonuses

no less than a certain number part was confused me so i assumed you need to deal less than 4

[acoustic whale]

Am I lost? Isnt that character already in the game?

#game-announcements

[fallen escarp]

That's for Mobile.

[warm lark]

i wish there was way to get enemys HP to scale like 4p in singleplayer for r9

[clear edge]

does final judgement dmg count towards dmg dealt at the end?

[glad iris]

No

[clear edge]

im having a really hard time trying to get cat to 1b dmg in r9 4p lol

[glad iris]

Combustion

Fire tower

With 8m spread

[clear edge]

im trying but im pretty glass most of the time in r9

also with combustion cat should i take painkiller at all? does that affect the dmg?

[fallen escarp]

Barely. If you're not aggressive enough, it might even make your damage worse.

[clear edge]

i mean i jump in and whack things im not sure how much more aggressive i can get with sword cat. i was asking since i wasnt sure how all the elements being on them would work with combustion dmg

or if smacking something with no elements with the fire tower that procs all the elements would nerf the dmg

[fallen escarp]

Reason I said it might lower your damage is if you let the Miasma kill enemies, you don't get to bonk them with Fire Tower for all that overkill damage.

[clear edge]

so you can still proc combustion even if they're painkillered up?

[fallen escarp]

Yes, just don't leave them alone.

Hence being super aggressive.

Especially if your opening move is throwing a smoke grenade.

[clear edge]

so how does painkiller combustion proc with if they have nothing and you proc fire on them. is it a weaker combustion than if you just smoke and whack?

[fallen escarp]

Probably not.

[clear edge]

so would it be better if i just go in swinging with no nade first?

[fallen escarp]

If you're not super aggressive, yes.

Though at the same time, opening with a smoke grenade gives you the opening needed to be super aggressive, so...

[clear edge]

so the gameplan is to get a firetower with 8m rare inscription in the first stage and just upgrade that the entire game

[cobalt dock]

use CounterViolence

painkiller doesn’t really fit

[small ledge]

Fellas, if you could make one change to your main, what would it be and why?

[fallen escarp]

Qing Yan, I'd revert the All or Nothing change and turn it back into an ascension.

Moving it to a blessing not only removed an easy way to have an interesting way of using Leap offensively in Spiritual Assault and difficulties below Reincarnation, but when you do pick the blessing it's completely overpowered. Just get Regen Hit and a few other things and you become both invincible and powerful.

[valid zephyr]

do enough dmg on anyone and u can skip it

[rotund plaza]

Ao Bai, make him able to dual wield swords. That's all I want.

[small ledge]

I'm with you there, although I'd rather have a new weapon that so happens to be dual wieldable

Like a combat knife or a boxing glove

[cobalt dock]

MaKe It A bLeSsInG

[lucid nova]

In true gunfire fashion the blessing would also give 1000% more lucky shot

[small ledge]

And a chance of your weapon becoming a pie

[lucid nova]

tbh a throwing pie would be funny

[small ledge]

Model swap of brick?

[lucid nova]

this is why modding would be cool yeah

[small ledge]

I'd dig a dodgeball mod tbh

That's mostly the KO brain talking but still

[lucid nova]

would be funny yeah

and add a metal pipe sfx whenever you crit

[small ledge]

Can always do that with the power of editing

[lucid nova]

that would be very very tedious for a full game lol

[whole swift]

so I want to grab some fast green emeralds to bank up some, should I just do lower reinc levels? Any plance I can read up on the difference between 1-9 and players 2-4 regarding rewards?

[lucid nova]

green emeralds??????

[glad iris]

The Master Emerald must be in pieces again.

[whole swift]

the "whatever" you buy talents with 😛

[rotund plaza]

400% Lucky shot chance dual-wielded pies to wreck them all

[lucid nova]

soul essence

[whole swift]

easiest way to get those, speed run low reinc?

[lucid nova]

ye

r1

[whole swift]

ty

[lunar vigil]

old irrepressible surge

shit was just goofy. and it’d be really funny with all the dash-buffing enhancements turtle has now

[lucid nova]

more a thing in general: increase the dmg cap :/

[cobalt dock]

un cap it so i can do 1 Quintillion dmg in 1 hit please

[lucid nova]

yessir

would be funny

btw wanna try and do the funny monkey stuff again maybe with more ppl this time?

[cobalt dock]

i mathed that btw

mayhaps

[lucid nova]

i mean techically you can hit infinite with dual edge farming

[cobalt dock]

i skip all dmg bonuses basicly

only 1 scroll matters

[lucid nova]

wdym?

aaand that is?

[cobalt dock]

Enhanced Normal Ammo

[lucid nova]

whar

[cobalt dock]

join voice in a bit, getting in my car On my way! home, can explain 😳

[lucid nova]

hell yeah you got me interested now xD

[rotund plaza]

When you say Enhanced Normal Ammo, I think of 2 things :

• all mags fully charged shared mags Rainbow Arch
• shared mags concealed ammo

[cobalt dock]

the first one

voice

@lucid nova

[rotund plaza]

And to the last hero to solo R9 LW4P

Falling Star build melts through Devouring attack

[lucid nova]

falling star counterviolence???

[rotund plaza]

being hybrid until I get that moving starfall

[lucid nova]

I guess

I hate hybrid builds

[rotund plaza]

got too much weapon ascension lul

[reef creek]

Wat

[fallen escarp]

That's what happens when you don't factor balance when developing things.

Or suffer a critical oversight. Either one.

[tawdry sun]

@cobalt dock I present, The Big One (Argus):

[cobalt dock]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-gif-gif-25611791

sell it for 9.99$

[fallen escarp]

No, sell it for $10.66.

(That's it's base DMG x projectiles)

[tawdry sun]

Selling is a hassle. Would rather just give it away. lol
Not gonna use it myself. At least it'll get used by someone else chasing big numbers.
Do you want it?

[cobalt dock]

sure, but that would be tomorrow

going to bed now

[cobalt dock]

@tawdry sun

[tawdry sun]

Alrighty.

[lucid nova]

me want

me like

[pearl garden]

I know I'm a day late here but I disagree with fire tower cat being the ideal 1bil damage on Crown Prince for multiplayer. Having to close in on enemies to do damage allows other players to kill stuff before you reach the enemy. I feel something like Counterviolence Crimson Firescale would be better damage overall. Pyrodominance III, Energy Blade for big hits with the weapon skill, the orange exclusive inscription for better weapon skill, crit gemini w/lucky shot scrolls.

[clear edge]

i managed to lucksack a crazy run in solo 4p LW so i dont need to worry about it anymore

[pearl garden]

👍 Did not realize you were doing this in LW. That changes things.

[clear edge]

got a stage 1 Fire tower with just 8m on elemental and just rolled with it until the end so that got up to +53 with the +2 scroll early on

i was doing 4p r9 and lw 4p just to get the chances up since they can't play all the time

[pearl garden]

Was gonna say if you're playing with competent people usually whoever can shoot/skill spam first gets top damage so swords tend to fall off in such lobbies

But, well, Lone Wolf lol

[clear edge]

well yeah they usually go gun/skill build and swords are kinda low dmg in these runs so i go super ham but then if i dont have defensive stuff im glass

almost got a billion last night with demonlore but died on final boss and was short at 997M

[pearl garden]

Feels bad. Yeah the firescale crit build is good at farming damage on the final boss clones

Would imagine demonlore would excel at that too.

[clear edge]

well now that my self imposed do 1B on each character challenge is over i can just derp around with w/e now

that said gluttony r8/9 4p really needs to be reworked lol

unless someone in the squad rolls up with an absolutely insane build it takes forever since the suck phase is random af

spams it so much

[pearl garden]

I don't really get the fight since I ignore Spiritual Assault but from the few times I've faced Gluttony in solo it was free.

Could see where the suck mechanic would get annoying in multiplayer tho.

[west snow]

anyone happen to know how the reinforced eggshell + flesh & bones interaction works?

[glad iris]

You'll take more damage.

Because no shield/armor

[west snow]

alright

wasn't sure if the shield not existing at all might've had some funky interaction with the "not 0"

ty

[lunar bridge]

no funkiness there. when you get FnB, you shield/armor will be removed and will be considered as 0 shield/armor.

[cobalt dock]

you available?

[tawdry sun]

Yep!

[kindred vector]

Monke cudgel +1000% damage

[pearl garden]

Flawless argument.

[inland glade]

Like the first reply said, revert the All or Nothing change for Qing Yan.

Also, this is a nitpick for me, but I dislike the rework to Gigantic Explosion that increases leap distance. I feel like it's way too easy to overshoot your target from even the slightest bit of high ground you have over it. I don't really know what to change it to, but I don't like that lol

I guess at the very least let me cast the ability again midleap to end it early and deal the damage from that area, so I can NOT constantly miss targets by flying right past them

Make like, a 0.4s delay between initial cast and recast so button mashing doesn't end the leap without actually moving you

[red glacier]

unfix magical supply on injectors

[cobalt dock]

revert Elements

its fun to reply

[rotund plaza]

I'm thinking of Elemental Leap

[cobalt dock]

Energy echo in Ascension Fusion? 👁️

[rotund plaza]

birb's old Elemental Leap

Leap deals random element dmg

[cobalt dock]

not even random, it was randomly applied as it appeared in the Goblet, every time you saw it untill you picked it

rather have it work like Echo

imagine Lighting Leap

[lucid nova]

Btw why does lei luo's thunderbolts not deal shock dmg

Holyshit thats a bad sentence

[rotund plaza]

You mean thunderbolts don't inflict shock?

nah I think the thunderbolts still inflict shock

just that the chance is as low as chain lightning

[cobalt dock]

if it did you could go infinite with Elmental weave + Bolt from the Blue

[rotund plaza]

oh yeah

maybe I'm mistaken

[fallen escarp]

It does deal Lightning damage. It just never under any circumstances inflicts the Shock effect because, as Walter said, you could get an endless loop of shock procs + thunderbolts from Elemental Weave.

[lucid nova]

fair enough

maybe make it unaffected by other elemental chances

that way it always has a set chance

[inland glade]

I fail to see the problem

comically broken synergies are the charm of roguelites

Gunfire could learn a thing or two from Risk of Rain, I tell ya hwut

[fallen escarp]

Because you could achieve it with 1 scroll and 1 ascension, on any difficulty, even without the absurdly broken OP blessings.

And unlike the broken OP blessings, it's a guaranteed instant kill on anything without immunity frames, not just ridiculous levels of power.

Plus anything that does have immunity frames would crash your game.

[obsidian sun]

I'm confused about this

Can I take damage as long as it's not within 3s of each damage instance??

Yooo, I got Flesh and Bones and Resolute from Curiosity Box at once on Ao Bai

[fallen escarp]

If you take damage, enemies defeated do not count for 3s.

Really easy to not fail that one. If you get hit, just stop firing.

Unless you're Nona with a jacked up Iron Wing. That's slightly harder to deal with.

But even then it's an easy mission to do, because most runs nowadays either has Lone Wolf active for more enemies, or is playing multiplayer which gets more by default.

[obsidian sun]

Thanks, I was worried so I avoided it

[quaint karma]

Fancy position is the one challenge that I don't even think when completing it. I always pivk it, it seems basically free and it's a nice perk

[waxen owl]

Fancy Position is nice
no negative effect and playing with group just basically spray your weapon/skills at random mobs and it'll mostly clear within 1 scene

[fallen escarp]

Technically it does have a negative effect if you fail to do the task within limited rooms.

But that requires actually failing it. Which is difficult to do.

Especially on high difficulties if you're solo, because that will likely mean you're also dead.

[waxen owl]

i suppose on solo if you super tanky and has barely any dmg could happen

or you just wanna somehow afk in a team, but your team is like impatient with their complete build and just demolished entire area

[reef creek]

What is the negative effect again?

I might be mistaken but when I picked this I didn't notice any negatives. I would even grab this mission right before opening the chest so I could reroll goblets

[lunar bridge]

iirc the downside was "-1 ascension choices"

[waxen owl]

would that mean if u fail once, you basically get 0 ascension choice in Jokul area then?

[lunar bridge]

idunno. think it was for the "next X goblets"?

[obsidian sun]

You'd lose as many ascensions as you'd gain refresh

[fallen escarp]

If you think about it, you get -1 ascension choices per task level from failing, but you also get +2 or +3 ascension choices per task level from the refreshes.

So even if you fail you still get more options.

[acoustic whale]

Question, which dlc should I get? Only have enough for one right now. One dlc has a monkey which I like monkey characters in games, but the other one has a brick

[waxen owl]

both got fun characters and weapons to play
Just go with your guts, they all fun to play with

[pearl garden]

I vote because he's probably the most balanced DLC character and gives weird reasons to use specific weapons.

[glad iris]

^

The other dlc just has 2 player single player and an endless game of uno.

[waxen owl]

also comes with brokey Fox xDD

[pearl garden]

's kit just feels good too. Every build feels like I'm using Primary, Secondary, and actual gun firing together albeit some more than others depending on context. Only character to hit a similar balance imo is Prince.

[acoustic whale]

Isn't uno a really fun game tho?

I bought uno "no mercy" edition

[acoustic whale]

What's the mech girl like?

Does her mech have a hp bar? Like what's the cons of using the mech

[waxen owl]

I haven't touch Nona yet, but friends love to use them
Mech does have HP and can revive you
the stomp could just basically nuke things

[fallen escarp]

The cons of using the mech is:

1. Having to revive them occasionally, assuming you didn't automatically pick the blessing where they can't go down if you're alive.
2. Not being able to kill as many enemies as you might like, because Iron Wing steals your kills.

[glad iris]

Hence 2 player single player.

[waxen owl]

IIRC it has 2 modes you can change in between, like it become turret or like a freakin boulder to land on enemies

[acoustic whale]

Ohh okay, and that dlc has the BRICK!

[glad iris]

I played Nona like 2 times, once in SA and regular. Just wasn't feeling it.

The turret also blocks projectiles.

So you can just stand behind it.

[acoustic whale]

The brick just looks like so much fun

[waxen owl]

Nona gameplay for most of my friends' describe is really just sit back and watch your mech goes
we mostly playing Reincarnation so their choices really the blessing that prevent the mech from dying as long Nona alive

Pair Nona with Deflection Shield and sit back from afar, watch your mech goes itself

[acoustic whale]

Do you like using the brick?

[waxen owl]

Brick is lazy for me
I love snipers, but brick is not one of them
when you crit once, you can basically crit almost forever just by yeeting it to any part of body
but if u really like to just zooming and smacking things that mostly guarantee crit on any body part, brick is good

I haven't test how well it is in late run because i really dont like the weapon concept, so i never really pick it up despite it has lots of good inscriptions on it

[acoustic whale]

Why is this confusing me hold on. What is the reason it's not for you?

Okay I reread 3 times I think I'm misunderstanding something

[waxen owl]

It's just personal choice so dont overthink it too much lol
I like weapons that require effort to use basically

[acoustic whale]

Ohhh

Yea I thought way too deeply into that

[waxen owl]

Its basically easy to use and could nuke things easily early-mid game, from what i heard on my friends' experience, that thing could just dealt massive crit damage like crazy

[acoustic whale]

Ohh okay, so it sounds right up my alley since I like argus

[waxen owl]

i cannot say much on late game because friends also stop picking them too, probably the impression it being OP(?)
I might try brick on R9 and see how it goes actually someday

[acoustic whale]

Lol it's a brick tho, it's supposed to be op 🤣

I'd prolly die if one of them hero chucked a brick at me on my forehead

[waxen owl]

in the other hand
monkey
like what been said earlier, monkey is fun

[acoustic whale]

But mech also🤣

I'll think thx for the information though, I greatly appreciate it

[waxen owl]

I still having hard time to understand Monkey build, trying to figure out builds without looking at wiki is quite challenging
but somehow Monkey is the one who has Highest damage dealt in single hit in my player stats lol

[proud fable]

Did a pretty cool Tao run, and had a great build to go with it. Made me smite enemies quickly and destroy bosses within minutes.

[waxen owl]

u doing primary or secondary build?
or weapon build?

[cobalt dock]

within 10 seconds preferably

[rotund plaza]

when my bois kept choosing those reviving shits

[acoustic whale]

Bro just the thought of clocking an enemy in the head with a brick makes me laugh inside

[rotund plaza]

-150% accuracy Hell

[acoustic whale]

@waxen owl I bought both DLCs!!!!

[fringe crystal]

Gz

[waxen owl]

which one xD

oh both lmao

[acoustic whale]

Yep!

[waxen owl]

is nice
8 extra weapons

Wolf Gaze and Star Ring also fun to play with other than Brick

[acoustic whale]

Bro I just wanted the brick, monkey, and mech girl

It's a freaking brick!!!

[waxen owl]

All characters are fun to play too anyway
can't figure out Owl tho, i don't read tarrot xDDD

[acoustic whale]

dude iron wing won't lemme get any kills man ffs

[rotund plaza]

common Nona problem

[waxen owl]

xDD
that thing nuke things and ya really just end up watching it goes on its own really

all ya gotta do just stay alive and it auto farm for you basically

[acoustic whale]

bro this feels like im playing r9 and one player in the party is just suped up on all the best scrolls...

[lunar bridge]

nona is baby easy mode. change my mind. kek

[acoustic whale]

it feels like im playing 2 player, and iron wing being the player 1

this doesn't even feel like my match anymore xD

[waxen owl]

She's definitely fall off to one of the easy character list

[acoustic whale]

im 100% convinced that i didn't get a single kill that whole match...

[proud fable]

I think I was doing more of a mix of Primary and Weapon.

[waxen owl]

sounds about right, I did that last time and all i can see on my screen really just sharp pinks xDD

[fallen escarp]

Told you.

[rain vale]

Gunfire devs try to make red circles that match the actual size of the danger zone challenge (impossible)

[waxen owl]

She really function like you playing your RC car really

Except you just have like, even less button
the primary button

[proud fable]

The moment I keep choosing Warlike Blade paired with a few good occult scrolls with Swords Out stacks, I never realized Tao can just absolutely decimate everything with just RoF and Swords alone.

I nearly died when I was at the final phase of the final boss, only dying once and reviving.

[waxen owl]

The problem with bnuy is mostly at beginning-mid way
Her weapon+primary build at the end really just like tattoo machine on the bosses

She decimate her own bullet like you lighting a whole match box even after purchasing ammo from peddler
unless you're very lucky to have like 'Against the Flow' or something that let her generate more ammo.

My biggest problem with her really just ammo problem, i could have Enhanced Ammo Belt and she still consume it all in one scene unless i have ammo generator for her.
but at the end build, you'll mostly just see flying pink swords and your armor passing 1k mark. You could just outlive 'Bloody Ammo' no problem by holding your Angelic Aura non-stop

[alpine umbra]

decided to finally give r9 a shot lol

how can i say no to a painkiller start

also ngl, there's like 5 quintillion different ways to mitigate tao chewing through ammo

[waxen owl]

gimme sum insight

[alpine umbra]

as it was already mentioned, bloody ammo and against the flow are the easiest ones

wait let me look through the scroll list i don't remember names lol

improved clip is relatively easy

enchanced skateboarder

deft hands

genesis combined with anything makes stuff very easy

there are also inscriptions that help you upkeep ammo

[waxen owl]

Most of em are im aware, need at least couple of them cuz 1-2 still gonna just vacuum entire ammo pool with angelic aura xDD

but enhanced skateboarder sounds fun

never thought of that before

[alpine umbra]

enchanced skateboarder is silly good

[waxen owl]

i need to look around enhanced scroll more often, those like skateboarder i never consider enhancing it to enhanced version

[alpine umbra]

you really need to start looking at them tbh

magic magazine is also decent enough

[waxen owl]

enhanced mid-air i met it quite often from phantom peddler

[alpine umbra]

bullet bank is good

[waxen owl]

surprisingly enhanced skateboarder i don't think i seen it that often from phantom peddler

[alpine umbra]

red chest upgrade tbh

it may be reincarnation specific though

[waxen owl]

yea
but i never consider picking on skateboarder, hence it pass thru my mind xD

[clear edge]

what are some fun weapon builds for r9? i did tiger cannon lei luo crit yesterday and when it worked it was great, (didnt get counterviolence tho so had to die a lot with deadly counter)

[waxen owl]

bullet bank definitely one of thing i wanted on bunny

[alpine umbra]

brick dog is a classic

[waxen owl]

Double Wild Hunt Dog, free carpal tunnel

[clear edge]

i mean ive done bind mouse wheel to fire wild hunt before and also venom infinite ammo lol

how does brick dog work? is it different from brick anyone else?

[alpine umbra]

two bricks

don't remember if the buffs stack

[clear edge]

weapon genius i assume

sounds fun sure ill test it out later

any fun builds for last star on owl or pistols on nona?

tried argus w/spirit but it doesnt really feel amazing in 4p lol

[waxen owl]

Friend use scorching round with 1 magazine gemini on Nona/Prince quite often
dunno how it perform

[clear edge]

could give it a shot since i did want to do a scorching build eventually

[waxen owl]

i might actually try the dual brick on doggo
or just usual tiger
i almost never touch brick and i might wanna give it a try till end-game

would love more weapon build ideas tho, im a big fan of fun weapon builds

[reef creek]

Aight, Eli5 me ring

I don't get it

[proud fable]

Pretty much. In the beginning she’s a little rough, but when you progress she becomes very strong.

Mostly depends ig.

[waxen owl]

definitely
she's challenging early game
especially when you whiff your blades and u low on ammo c:
thats nightmare

[proud fable]

tbh. She wasn’t always too challenging for me early game.

but having less variety makes her a little off.

Tao always seems to rely more on weapons that need RoF since it gives her faster Swords Out stacks

Warlike does help in that department. And it does strengthens a lot of weapons she uses.

[waxen owl]

i haven't test her secondary build yet
but lowkey dont like how she sounds when you spam her secondary xDD

[proud fable]

Voice moment

tbh. I expected her to sound a little less squeaky

[waxen owl]

really the only thing keeping me from playing her really just her voice

[proud fable]

lol

I’m used to hearing squeaky characters.

[waxen owl]

my problem with her voice is the Smooches followed by questionable noise, which makes me uncomfortable in long run xDDD

Also how's Deafening mortar for her tho, does the multi explosive good for raising her blade stack

[proud fable]

🤷‍♂️ understandable

[waxen owl]

i haven't tried much other than angelic aura on her

[proud fable]

dunno, haven’t really used that.

[proud fable]

I mean, things like that one Corrison gun is pretty strong on her too.

[waxen owl]

Aura of Venom?

[proud fable]

Especially the left-click

[proud fable]

yeah

[waxen owl]

or porcupine?

the shotty that just spread bullet

[proud fable]

Its the other one with high RoF

[waxen owl]

Dual Fang?

Or the corrosive gauntlet?

[proud fable]

lemme check

[waxen owl]

is it the green gauntlet or squeezable gecko

[fallen escarp]

Corrosive weapon with the highest RoF is Radioactive Gauntlet.

At 13.0/s.

Dual Fang is 11.0/s.

[proud fable]

Its Aura of Venom

[waxen owl]

ou

I haven't goes much with Aura of Venom of her but I did complete a run with full Radioactive Gauntlet on her
Keeping the corrosive ping and while paying attention to her blade stack is quite fun

[proud fable]

I paired with Warlike its pretty good on her. Left click turns it into a Submachine Gun with sugar

and Ammo Extractor I think extends it or maybe thats Against the Flow.

It also just instantly gives her Swords out Stacks pretty fast

[waxen owl]

right clicking it with against the flow is nice

or just straight advance depot/bloody ammo it

[proud fable]

ye

Warlike Sword is mostly a must since it always helps Tao when she needs to Stack Swords out and pull out damage a little more faster.

So I always go for it.

it does sorta help other weapons too. Can’t really name much. But it also makes the Submachine Guns pretty strong.

Mostly Angel

[waxen owl]

i kinda curious if deafening mortar could build her sword stack pretty well too, i might give it a try

[proud fable]

Ah, deafening mortar.

[waxen owl]

Demonlore with bloody ammo/advance depot is always nice on her too

Having good build and some lucky Swordsman/Sword Enthusiast sounds nice buffing Demonlore further

[proud fable]

ya

I’m no pro since I got the game weeks ago, but I know whats pretty ok and good on her.

Literally my only problem I have with her is just her base Health and Shield.

[cobalt dock]

i have to

[proud fable]

jesus

[waxen owl]

yum

[proud fable]

now thats large.

[waxen owl]

sword guard the absolute love

brrrrr
300 shield
BRRRR
1000 shield

[cobalt dock]

i only play Macro bunny, dislike SporeBloom

[waxen owl]

macro bunny?

[cobalt dock]

ain’t no way i press E 10 times a second

[proud fable]

Elaborate on Macro Bunny

[waxen owl]

thats me

i embrace free carpal tunnel

[cobalt dock]

its free

[proud fable]

Less cooldown go buuuurrrrr

[waxen owl]

mega absolute

[lucid nova]

13942848585980th repost lol

[proud fable]

If Tao barely had any cooldown, let alone none on her Swords Out, she’d be a living multi canon

[waxen owl]

pink screen

[cobalt dock]

Field proficiency, Overconsumption, Ancient watch, that -1 on hit every 2 sec

[proud fable]

Blossoming Blindness

[cobalt dock]

Magic Watch

[cobalt dock]

correct

[waxen owl]

oh also a bit of different topic
seeing on #hall-of-fame
does that +300 weapon still possible? or was it like, old thing?

[lucid nova]

very much so possible i think

[waxen owl]

I need the secret behind it
im a big fan of weapon build

not the whole "how to"
more like, what causing it to be possible?
I'd like to discover it myself too, it's more fun that way

[lucid nova]

lucky red chests, stage one hidden transaction and cursed scroll at desert independant fortunes arms traficer i think

[waxen owl]

I see, it's really just a lucky run type of thing

[lucid nova]

yeah and you need a full squad to pass around the weapon

veeeery rng heavy

[waxen owl]

gotcha

[small ledge]

Hi fellas

Y'all in need of bricks?

Cause I've been itching to tackle Nightmare mode on Brick Only

[acoustic whale]

Bro I'm losing my marbles, this dude is taking all the kills man...

[fallen escarp]

Coop or Nona?

[acoustic whale]

Freaking iron turd

[fallen escarp]

Pick blue ascensions next time.

[acoustic whale]

?

Altanna bro, I didn't even get one kill man

Dude is cheating

[fallen escarp]

They boost your weapons mostly, not Iron Wing.

[waxen owl]

@acoustic whale bricc
failed run sadly and im playing at 200-300ms ping, things aint easy to hit yet easily top dmg

no SEA players at this hour and game decide to throw me to other region at 300ms lobby

[reef creek]

That is fake and I don't care what y'all say

IIRC, that requires like 2000 swords in 10 seconds or something

[fallen escarp]

If you can macro Swords Out 10 times per second, that would mean up to about 300 swords per second, or 3000 swords in 10 seconds.

[glad iris]

That was during the be right back bug in SA.

[fallen escarp]

That image is only 2500 swords in 10 seconds.

[reef creek]

Only, you say

[glad iris]

Macro

And the bug gave you pretty much no cooldown.

[fallen escarp]

You don't even really need a bug now either.

The Unlimited Mana spiritual seal you can get in SA also gives no cooldown for 20 seconds.

[waxen owl]

God Im having trouble enjoying brick, yea its strong, but like
its just not exactly fun xDD

im gonna give double brick on doggo a try later on, see if it could change my mind

[proud fable]

its comical how this counts as a Sniper, but it makes sense in context.

[proud fable]

How I feel everytime I use it

definitely a funny addition, but I can't get myself to fully adjust to it.

[waxen owl]

idk, its strong
but like, has no satisfying hitsound, its just thucc
also force you to either stay still/went back to your position to collect the star thingy, ya can't just zooming around brawler/thug style that chuck brick like a maniac

[proud fable]

pretty much

[waxen owl]

probably the 2nd one makes me dont like using it

force collect making you stay still

[proud fable]

Yeah, its gimmick really wants you to stay still most of the time to collect its buff and thats usually a no-no in a game where your movement also matters depending on the situation.

its damage is good in that department whatsoever.

literally 9999 in just a few throws when you DO get the buff.

[waxen owl]

stage 2 already red damage is nice
the big desert worm just melt before it dive to the sand for the 1st time

[proud fable]

I wasn't around the time Tao came to the game. But honestly, the only problem about her Model/Overall design that time was just her face.

As many can say lol

[waxen owl]

can't argue

[proud fable]

If anything. Theres nothing wrong with her current design at all. I think its pretty cool, badass even.

[waxen owl]

When it comes to overall design, Tiger still my fave

[proud fable]

Understandable. Everyone has their preferences 👍

[waxen owl]

When it comes to voice, Turtle strangely has super handsome voice that I could be weak at lmao

[proud fable]

Also understandable

[waxen owl]

I played turtle for the first time like last month and im like
"tf your design doesnt match with your super handsome voice-"

[proud fable]

I'll be honest, its true that Tao sounds a little weird but honestly, they should have just given her a little more of a normal pitch voice.

Nothing squeaky like she is in game

[waxen owl]

yeah, absolutely

[proud fable]

Personally, I don't really care since I never saw it that way.

But even a Bunny can sound deep. Bunny Growling intensifies

[waxen owl]

it doesnt bother me much as long i dont do secondary build on her
but sometimes when i forced to do her secondary, its reallyj just, yeah

[proud fable]

lmao

Imagine Kiss of Death being the most accurate way to really name her secondary

[waxen owl]

her build really just fun in general, there's so much non-gameplay aspect that bother me about her

[proud fable]

Her builds are strong and fun to me.

haven't done all, but still.

Love how I can just feel like a JoJo character and just throw a bunch of swords on air.

Definitely not a reference to Dio

[waxen owl]

You can do jojo stuff with Turtle

[proud fable]

yeah, hando

[waxen owl]

i guess Dio is basically bnuy xDD

[proud fable]

Yeah, and I'm STILL bugged that no-one has made art of it yet

It would be the most funniest thing ever

[waxen owl]

commission people to do it lol

also when it comes to her gameplay, yea its fun
but the constant tracking with the blade unless you have the tracking blade ascension, that thing is tiring

[proud fable]

I could but I'm not sure how. Especially since I gotta pay for some commission, I don't have a part-time job yet to really do purchases.

but aside from that

[proud fable]

Its true the tracking with blade can be tiring, but at least its worth the stack and whatnot once you get the gist of it. To me its satisfying even If I always gotta keep a straight eye.

Plus, Blossom Petals make it just as strong

[waxen owl]

when im feeling extra, definitely bnuy is a choice

[proud fable]

👍

[waxen owl]

or dual angelic aura doggo
pain mobbing, bullet gone first

[proud fable]

I just love playing her not because of HER in general, but because I love rabbits in general, this year has cursed me so. I mean, her gameplay to me is already fun and and a little OP when i do get the right things. But yeah.

I just enjoy playing her a lot.

[waxen owl]

she definitely in my fun to play character list

depends on stamina

[proud fable]

Aside from the fun factor, Give Tao anything that can benefit her Primary or anything else about her and she becomes one of the best DPS characters in the game.

She's strong with a good chunk of drawbacks.

Maybe I was going overboard on One of the best DPS, but still.

[glad iris]

You're not, in terms of DPS she's in a different league than the others.

Simply because of SE III paired with SS III

With very little cooldown.

[naive totem]

Guys what's the best way to farm soul essence other than beating the game? Is it just finishing stage 1 and restarting it over and over?

[fallen escarp]

Beating the game.

[pearl garden]

I've heard Spiritual Assault gives a decent amount. It's either that, playing stage 1 over and over, or--you guessed it--beating the game.

The third one being the best--particularly on the highest difficulty you can manage. Multiplayer also makes winning more consistent unless your group throws so bad you can't revive chain/don't have the defensive talents unlocked yet on the talent tree.

[waxen owl]

You could just do boring easy builds to clear R9 very fast

Those things get abundant quick anyway, might as well enjoy the process

[pearl garden]

Painkiller Crown Prince is basically a win with just that.

[waxen owl]

But I do hear Spiritual Assault gives quite a decent amount too

Painkiller cat or just simply deploy primary fox, it's always broken

[pearl garden]

Mostly just offering Painkiller kitty becaue one can guarantee that with Lone Wolf/not have to spend any essence rerolling the starter blessing. But this is all assuming reincarnation is unlocked.

[waxen owl]

all i could experience is just fox being brokey 24/7
the reason our group always ban her xD

[naive totem]

What are they? I just bought the game 3 days ago and I got reincarnation 2 rn. I can't play multiplayer or DLC since I'm on PlayStation

[waxen owl]

It mentioned above
Ya cna give Painkiller cat a try
it's a spiritual blessing called 'Painkiller'

[naive totem]

Your painkiller is different than mine :( I have the pre-rework where it's just elements give buffs that's it

So I need to get the enthusiast scrolls

[waxen owl]

Well, ya do asking on #1055550986292297838 so i was assuming we talking about steam version xDD
idk if other plat got different stats/whatever the difference so i cant say much about it

[naive totem]

Yeah it's cause playstation discussion is dead my fault

[waxen owl]

All good, reasonable reason

[naive totem]

I hate that 505 aren't getting the game up to date, I need the DLC heroes NOWWW

And Spiritual Assault

[normal cargo]

whats the most optimal build for nona? I been R9 and honestly she feel underwhelming. Her gernade build seems to be her best, but its a boring playstyle. Is there anything else that strong and different?

[clear edge]

did scorching rounds nona and i gotta say i was not feeling that weapon

[normal cargo]

I like the idea of a summon but the robot is mid, unless it's in fire mode. which just makes it a turret

[solemn epoch]

Man I really wish they would give you a choice of every weapon at the start so I don't have to reload 10 times and make the remnant free at the start

[lucid nova]

@cobalt dock wanna try and hit a funny number again?

[solemn epoch]

New pb for r9 lone wolf 4p with all vaults

[rain vale]

I absolutely hate that they put Glottony in normal gunfire, like dudes if I don't play your lame gamemode it's for a reason, don't force me to fight it's boss ffs

I hate it when game teams see nobody's playing their new thing and force players to play it anyway like leave me alone and keep spiritual assault for the 3 people who enjoy it

[glad iris]

It was added because people wanted an alternate boss to Act 4.

[solemn epoch]

I still don't know how his regen works and how I can avoid it. I just tank through it

[glad iris]

Stand behind a rock when he does it.

[solemn epoch]

I tried to stand behind the small rocks but it still hits so idk

[glad iris]

You can't be too far away or a bit to the side while behind it, you'll know you're behind it when the screen effect goes away.

I also think it pulls you towards the boss when you're being affected by it.

[teal swift]

Hiya, Is there anything that I'm missing with Nona's missiles?

I've found them to be extremely underwhelming whenever I've attempted to focus on them in a build, especially compared to focusing on pistol or Ironwing synergy, so I wanted to know if there's any trick to making them strong that I might have missed.

[solemn epoch]

Also the new oneshot protection of the windgod is kinda annoying on r9, he is the only boss who has it besides the boat phases, which i equally hate

[solemn epoch]

I don't think anything can come even close to how good her primary is

[teal swift]

Yeah, true. 2.6 million base damage is hard to pass up.

[solemn epoch]

And its a rly nice solo run char since you get revived

[teal swift]

I was just wondering if there was any weird synergies to it that I may have overlooked.

[teal swift]

Especially as an exclusively solo player.

^

[solemn epoch]

But usually I only need the revive in the first area, if I manage to die later on its a shit run anyways

Regarding rockets, I haven't actually tried to build for it but the base dmg already put me off and I don't like the firemode on the chicken

[teal swift]

Longbowmen and the shock bombers are so dumb. lol

[solemn epoch]

The grenade spam is to what I die the most

Everybody dead, oh no they dropped 2 grenades

[teal swift]

I've never really had an issue with that one?

I mostly just get stunlocked by that one shock bomber that I managed to miss in the chaos.

Or the immortal one.

[solemn epoch]

The most annoying part is when I struggle with the spinning elite in a vault cause my build hasn't gone off yet

[teal swift]

Oh, yeah. The "have base movement speed or die" elite.

[solemn epoch]

Or when you get rly unlucky and get an armored shield dude

[teal swift]

Yeah, I was about to say that.

[solemn epoch]

Time to sit on the thingy shoot for 2 minutes

[teal swift]

The only thing I really die to outside of all that is random bleed flamethrower dudes in act 2 and 4.

Just stacking 3 thousand DoT's on you.

[cobalt dock]

relic hunters got me hard atm, maybe in the week

[teal swift]

It seems we're having the opposite issues. I've found her grenade to be extremely weak and her Ironwing to be honestly quite overpowered.

Up to 2250% extra base damage for Ironwing is extremely good for a single blessing.

Then you can get 50* your health as damage with an ascension.

Which ends up at about 2.6 million damage for just a few ascensions and a blessing.

That all being only Ironwing's base damage is insane.

[lunar bridge]

depends on what you meant by "grenade build" since nona has 2. one being her own, the other being iron wing.

iron wing fire mode fucks. it is stupidly op.

[teal swift]

Ironwing is just stupidly OP.

Technically, grenade build implies both because they synergize with eachother.

Mostly, I just found her actual missiles to be quite weak.

90% of the time, I'll only use them to buff Ironwing even more.

[lunar bridge]

nah, my nona grenade build is iron wing only. 😎

/j but yea, i can see her missiles not doing a lot.

iron wing's missiles are just better.

[quasi arrow]

Hi kids, builder is on public server. Borrowing the best practices from 505 Games, I decided to release it as unfinished. Right now, there's a severe lack of time to polish everything. Perhaps later.

All changes in the builder are passed as parameters in the link, there isn't too much data so I decided not to use a database like in Grimtools. Therefore, you can set any weapon to level 10000 if you have nothing else to do. There are no calculations, only the weapon damage is displayed according to the weapon's level. Maybe later I'll implement some calculations as I initially planned, but then I abandoned the idea.

https://gfrbuilder.com/

[lunar vigil]

ooh

neat

[quasi arrow]

And i have no time to finish build presets so I just hide the "builds" button, i'll open it once its rdy

[nimble flint]

@quasi arrow thanks for the work at all !

[quasi arrow]

You're welcome. It was a good challenge, considering that I last programmed almost 10 years ago in university 🙂 But as a PPC specialist, I was somewhat familiar with JS code. When the project is not embarrassing to showcase, I will open it on GitHub.

[nimble flint]

I feel that

I initially was studying software engineering for 4 years at the university but had to stop due to heart problems
Nowdays work the other side of IT and do system integrationa and administration

While now coding mods on the side for myself for fun and other little project from time to time.

And that git one I felt

Feels almost like opening cour closet to the public.. the whole mess you make

[quasi arrow]

Yes, it's quite a mess there. For instance, in a serious project, no one would allow you to embed CSS in the backend code. But when you're doing it for fun, you can relax a bit, and all of it piles up into a big mess later on.

[lucid nova]

yooo amazing i needed that build sharing tool

[quasi arrow]

Oh, and btw don't try to use it on phone, it's absolutely non optimized 🙂

[lucid nova]

acurate spores icon lol

[quasi arrow]

Finding the right icon for Spore was one of the main challenges in the entire development

[lucid nova]

my fried loves spores so he will be salty about the icon lol

[quasi arrow]

Thank you, Wiki guys, all the info for the builder was stolen straight from the Wiki

[waxen owl]

yooo an actual builder

big love, very looking for it to finish

[dapper harbor]

Anyone tryna play?

[lucid nova]

#1064937664870101033

[cobalt dock]

how comes the ascension points are 20? (awesome btw) Can't unselect scrolls 😦

[quasi arrow]

I looked at the average numbers in my games, and it was something like 14-18 points on different difficulties. Plus, with Blessing in Disguise, you can take more, so I decided that 20 would be a reasonable limit.(soft)

[cobalt dock]

Macro Tao https://gfrbuilder.com/Tao?bl=13%2C6&sc=113%2C82%2C135&sk=000100130030332013

[cobalt dock]

if possible, make a pop-out when you hover over it to say "why" its 20

[quasi arrow]

kk

[quasi arrow]

And about deselecting, you can just right click on 'popup' menu or in the final window

[cobalt dock]

oh, me and my friend didn't try there lolö

[quasi arrow]

same for weapons, but I'm planning to make a separate button to clear a weapon coz it's pretty easy to clear it rn by accident

[cobalt dock]

i love that you reroll inscriptions, no way to select them tho is there?

[quasi arrow]

No, I discussed this with the guys at LFG RU, and I thought that without a calculator this would be a very useless feature. When/if I make a calculator, I’ll also make a popup with a choice

And Gemini rolls by cyrcle so it's easy too

[cobalt dock]

"+50% against decay/shock/burn" are stacked together instead of seperate

convert is fine actually

[quasi arrow]

Yea.... And inscriptions are not 100% accurate, they are close but not 100%

[cobalt dock]

oki

[quasi arrow]

I think I fked up with Talisman but no one use it anyway xD

[zinc socket]

Not my build just comparing, why does one rainbow have more Rounds/100s

with the same 25% enscriptions

Did this game have rng on the weapon stats too that I never noticed?

[forest basin]

Rounds/100 calculates reload time so I think it's taking the mag size into account.

[quasi arrow]

good question, i'll investigate this coz rounds/100s are hardcoded

Oh wait, it's not my builder xD

[zinc socket]

that would make sense

[zinc socket]

So ive been getting back into gunfire, got some clears on R9, I gotta say tho

I cant really tell what im dying to

its like one little tap from something will just start draining my health at an absurd rate lol, almost like miasma from the old days karma coming back

Im not the type to ignore defense scrolls and golbets

even with that they really melt your health now

[glad iris]

sounds like the bleed debuff

[waxen owl]

everything that tap you on r9 really just down you almost immediately

[zinc socket]

Bleed? Ok didnt notice that was a thing

[waxen owl]

what stage you having that problem tho

[fallen escarp]

Yeah, sounds like the bleed debuff. Alternatively, standing in a Grenadier's grenade then getting hit by the extra grenades.

[zinc socket]

I expected it to be some sort of elemental combination

Usually my sudden deaths that I dont really know what killed me are in desert or snow map

[fallen escarp]

Realistically, could be anything. Desert Coyotes hidden in the sands. Lizards that create elemental pools that you stand in. Bandit Retainer homing shots getting you when you thought you dodged them. Bandit Tacticians (somehow)...

[waxen owl]

Lizard elemental pool and Arsonist really just biggest annoying thing
especially the Arsonist with 'Bleed' tag on it, you can immediately see the bleed stack on bottom right of your screen with 2 rows of bleeds

[zinc socket]

The inumerabl elite spot when they spawn with all the corrosive flamethrower guys is hilariously cursed

[waxen owl]

Desert really just annoying stage

[fallen escarp]

Oh yeah, the elite gathering too.

Dunno why they decided that elite gatherings should have only 1 type of elite when you play on R9.

Makes the events either laughably easy when you get stuff like coyotes, or hellishly difficult if you get arsonists.

[waxen owl]

or you prefer the Hermit that spawn infinite coyotes if u are slow with your dps

infinite landmines + infinites yotes
area just full of them

[fallen escarp]

Hermits aren't too bad either.

Just don't run into the coyote swarm.

Mines are a game of "don't run back the way you came" and the hermits themselves are a game of "don't stand still".

[waxen owl]

they arent bad if your dps is decent
(be saying that it also applies to every elite gathering anyway)

both hermit and arsonist just annoying
the boss in desert are more easier than them xD

[waxen owl]

They do sometimes spawn 2 types tho
some only 1 types, some 2 types

[fallen escarp]

Still less varied threat types than up to 5 types.

[waxen owl]

correct
R8 elite gathering's variety is more fun
R9 elite gathering really just either easy/die

Lowkey i think R9 5 types elite gathering could be more hellish than 1 type only in average

[fallen escarp]

I wonder when we'll get more act 4 elites.

[glad iris]

It seriously needs them.

[fallen escarp]

Elite Walrus: Stands still and growls for 3 seconds then body-slams you, giving you a non-standard game over, assuming you're still close enough somehow.

[waxen owl]

Imagine an elite UFO

[fallen escarp]

In multiplayer, players hit die with no revive chance.

Elite Flying Saucer could actually be quite nice to fight. Would probably play out similar to the Elite Corrupt Monk.

[waxen owl]

might as well demolished your character and kick you out from lobby cuz your body is not recoverable xD

Elite UFO that shoots and gives extra barrier, not a big threat but super defensive yet annoying in the same time
combine with Elite Monkey that has increase mobility and jumping pattern
watch players having hard time hitting it combined with giant shield from Elite Saucer c::::

[fallen escarp]

Flying Saucers cannot heal and shield elites and other flying saucers.

Elite Flying Saucers, however, can. Delightfully devilish.

2 Elite Flying Saucers and 3 Elite Mandrill Cavary.

The saucers heal each other making it virtually impossible to destroy them and the cavalry, while the cavalry destroys you at the same time.

[waxen owl]

considering flying saucer crit zone is like reduced now, making it more harder to kill a normal one

now imagine have to focus and have certain spot to crit it
while getting pushed around by Mandrill

[zinc socket]

If its anything like the beetle's crit zone, god no

😂

[waxen owl]

Beetle crit zone is nightmare

how come this thing exist

[fallen escarp]

Pros: The crit spot is actualy quite large, even larger when compared to the regular Flying Saucer.

Cons: It's on the top, not the bottom.

[zinc socket]

Was that a nerf or was it always like that? "Damage bonus only applies ot iron wing."

[fallen escarp]

Was always like that.

[zinc socket]

damn

My dumbass was grabbing that thinking it was buffing nona too

[whole swift]

So crown Prince pyro builds. Whats the key elements there? Shrieker/sniper, pain killer? Anything else?

[fallen escarp]

Pyrodominance 3, Piercing Flame/Fire Tower, other high-damage weapon you'll actually be using, element share gemini.

[whole swift]

Cheers! Elemental share is enough to get the combustion effect early? Slow hitting weapon and Low proc rate not an issue?

[lucid nova]

firetower isnt a low procrate? most of the time its 50% or higher

[whole swift]

True.

Any particular remnant tar should be prioritized first?

[fallen escarp]

Ultimate Gambler for better chance to get Pyrodominace 3, or some weapon blessing like Skilled Trick or Counterviolence.

[whole swift]

Thanks, and the 200% burn/combustion damage should be ignored?

[fallen escarp]

What...?

[lucid nova]

thats the whole point of getting pyrodominance 3 lol

[cobalt dock]

aint that in Spiritual Assault?

[lucid nova]

?

[glad iris]

200% burn/combustion is from SA.

[nimble flint]

Or you mean prince Pyro 3 which doubles combustion only

[lucid nova]

ohhh like that

[whole swift]

Ah. No it was the SA one, my bad 🙂

[cobalt dock]

also burn

[quasi arrow]

I've added tooltips everywhere, I think it's more understandable this way

[cobalt dock]

description search is nice

[lucid nova]

@quasi arrow is it possible to upload builds to the websites database and view other builds?

could make an option that saves the link or something simple

[quasi arrow]

If I understand correctly what you're talking about, I need to add user account functionality, and that's not a quick task. For now, the builds are hardcoded, but I've hidden them because I haven't finished filling everything in yet

[lucid nova]

I guess that would work, i was more thinking about a submission box for your builds that doesnt require an account

Idk, not that good at web development so idk whats possible

[quasi arrow]

Hm, good idea

[high salmon]

pretty wild we are at 10 characters now

I remember when it was just two

[zinc socket]

Havent played the monkey to this day

[lucid nova]

veeery fun to play

[zinc socket]

His secondary build looked boring to me, What would you recc other then that

I know what weapon hes holding can change things

[lucid nova]

primary build is fun

general gunbuild aswel

[high salmon]

I did a run yesterday with piercing flame that inflated crit and lucky shot rates. Do the secondary and just not consume ammo for 5 shots (I shot everything)

[lucid nova]

@quasi arrow if possible, can you add an option to choose inscriptions? would be neat

[quasi arrow]

it's possible but it makes no sense since there are 0 calculation and everything you need is orange inscriptions

[lucid nova]

i guess? still nice to show the spesific roll even without calculations

[quasi arrow]

kk, I'll think about it

[waxen owl]

finally tried double brick doggo
despite 1.2b dmg, it still unsatisfying and underwhelming for somewhat reason
i'll give brick tiger a try later

Got lucky 'Hail of Bullets' and 'Voltage Surge' on doggo
Preemptive Strike, Merciless combo, 5x Evil-devouring, explosive bullet, mid-air strike and deadly curse. The hit seems underwhelming

[rotund plaza]

How much dmg per hit

[waxen owl]

hmm, i have problem sometimes to read numbers mid battle. I think its about 800k-1mil

i wish there's setting to make it goes 100.000 number instead of 100000
i have problem reading numbers

[rotund plaza]

how not to play Crowned Prince

[waxen owl]

what build is this xD

[rotund plaza]

Smoke, Orb, Thrust

[small ledge]

This can't be. Maybe you just didn't do it right

[waxen owl]

i suppose
the ascension kinda all over place

This is the build

sadly Sustain fire spiritual link is not activate

[lucid nova]

try brick monkey

pretty OP for cudgel if you have exclusive

[small ledge]

Yeah, I can optimize this

good research for my nightmare run on brick only

[waxen owl]

brick monkey sounds nice

[lucid nova]

its very nice if you have the perma starlight and 10m crit dmg

[waxen owl]

i might give double brick dog another try, because i dont have the exclusive inscription on it and build kinda goes woobly woobly

tiger brick then monkey brick

then im done with brick build series xD

[lucid nova]

@quasi arrow 4th blessing slot for lonewolf?

@waxen owl https://gfrbuilder.com/XingZhe?bl=48%2C8%2C17&sc=124%2C156&sk=333031000000031003&w=34%2C41&g=175&w1l=13&w2l=12&i=63%2C96%2C20%2C7&g2=175&i2=73%2C41%2C1%2C14

this would be a decent setup

ofc just get whatever weapon dmg scrolls you can

[waxen owl]

Would armed caster helps with primary skill hit? considering the amount of crit ya be having

[rain vale]

I wish whoever put gluttony in the base game to stub their little toe and right when it almost fully heals, to stub it again, eternally

[waxen owl]

whEEze

gluttony rock is inconsistent and the distance is not like you could hide behind easily like Act 1 Golem

a lot of case of me n my friends having the rock just decide it wanna break mid lifesteal phase

[lucid nova]

monkey's primary scales of weapon dmg lol

[waxen owl]

gotcha

[lunar bridge]

the players before act 4 gluttony: omg we need a different act 4 boss. constant polar monarch is boring.
the players after act 4 gluttony: wtf is this boss? i[/we] prefer polar monarch.

(this is in jest. don't take this seriously.)

[fallen escarp]

I take it seriously, because that is how some people reacted.

[reef creek]

Honestly both bear and big purple are equal in being not a threat

[fallen escarp]

Pole Monarch at least gets up in your face if you can't instantly hit an immunity phase.

[reef creek]

You just got through Jumpscare - Elite Gathering Edition, you mostly can burst the polar out of this bear

[fallen escarp]

That's "Not a threat in comparison to what came before" though.

[reef creek]

Fair

[fallen escarp]

Not "Not a threat, period."

[waxen owl]

friends actually react this way lmao

tired of gluttony already
actually glad to se monarch

[reef creek]

Are they actually 50/50 btw? I feel like Glutboy shows up a tad more

[waxen owl]

gluttony show up more

cant tell if they have % on who show up more
but gluttony definitely show up more

Tbh I dont exactly mind gluttony, but the fact it shows up more than monarch really makes me miss monarch sometimes

[fallen escarp]

There's also the fact that Pole Monarch has better implemented scaling when it comes to extra difficulty.

Unless Gluttony's bonuses are only observable and can only be recorded by someone who takes the time to not instantly delete him so we know what he actually gets, he's virtually no different to the Spiritual Assault version.

And therefore would have no R9 or Mysterious Jokul buffs.

[lunar bridge]

sadge. players wants a different act 4 boss besides polar monarch, yet despises gluttony as an alt act 4 boss.

[fallen escarp]

Oh, there's also the continuity error too. You suddenly go from the top of a mountain to a realm of chaos for no reason.

[rain vale]

Honestly it seems so stupid to me to actually want to fight Gluttony I never imagined people asked for him

I'm fine with Pole Monarch being the only boss personally

[waxen owl]

the weird thing on gluttony, if you dps check him too fast
he's start freaking out and does multi-phase in one go

all you could do really just watch it goes "hohohohooo"

[rotund plaza]

In my case it's 50/50 when solo but often purple blob when team up with friends.

[lucid nova]

im making a video about build crafting soon, anyone got suggestions what they want to see in the video?

[fallen escarp]

Painkiller Cat.

[lucid nova]

ill add it to the cheese builds list with poopy spores

[fallen escarp]

I assume you'll be going to the wiki to steal 90% of the builds there, right?

[lucid nova]

i wont be giving to much suggestions

ill give some suggestions to make your own creative builds instead of the basic boring builds

and what ascesions have priority and when to go for dmg and when to go for survivability etc.

[cobalt dock]

quite stretched with a bigger monitor, looks good when its smaller
https://i.imgur.com/rkIQWyS.jpeg

also got no Lei blessings, only general ones

[lucid nova]

also we need a 4th blessing slot for lone wolf

[quasi arrow]

@cobalt dock F5

Btw everyone can just PM me with bug reports, I don't think this channel will be a good place for bug tracking 🙂

[cobalt dock]

every weapon build be like

https://i.imgur.com/CybJfH2.png

[lucid nova]

idk about the fire enthusiast

[quasi arrow]

Why not? It procs Deadly Counter

[lucid nova]

Kinda locked into using fire weapons, but if you do use them its good

I always just stand in a firespout or something like that

[rotund plaza]

bloody ammo + against the flow also helps

[reef creek]

I hate bloody ammo

[waxen owl]

bloody ammo is nice when combined with other things

[rotund plaza]

I used bloody ammo on most launchers when shooting is faster than reloading

[waxen owl]

dormant bullet with bloody ammo is nice

[rotund plaza]

and when using weapons with "projectile +0.2x in kill"

guess who's I'm using

[waxen owl]

yis
projectile+, something like demonlore

[rotund plaza]

automatic shotgun

[waxen owl]

or you prefer something that succ your entire health while using bloody ammo

angelic aura or wild hunt

[rotund plaza]

rainbow

[waxen owl]

rainbow i never pick up, i didn't understand how to build it

[rotund plaza]

if you good with aiming, mark the weak points

if not, use green glove

[whole swift]

what gemini for rabbit flower build?

[fallen escarp]

Spore.

More hits, more bloom procs.

[lucid nova]

I hate it that spores exist.. so braindead

[waxen owl]

surprisingly i almost never use spore unless i go bunny

im too lazy to read the whole description nor understand how the spore damage calculate so it doesnt really come to interest me

[lucid nova]

Good, more fun options available

[waxen owl]

thats why my best stat is only 1.5b lol
cAnt rEaD

[lucid nova]

Hitting past 1.5bil isnt that bad

Play monkey with spirit argus or any high dmg weapon and its almost a guarantee to hit 3bil+

[waxen owl]

how that spirit argus damage goes anyway, i never understand it, done it couple times, cant understand the damage, yeet the weapon away

[lucid nova]

One of my favs in piercing flame with combustion and its exclusive for free dmg

[lucid nova]

You really dont need spirit argus tbh

[waxen owl]

no, i'm talking about how the damage calculate on the spirit

[lucid nova]

Spirit argus is pretty meh unless you are playing a full stack supporting you for the funny number

[lucid nova]

Its all the pelets that hit added up to one big number

In a nutshell

Argus Spirit MAX DMG formula
◈ Generate a spirit upon your first hit on an enemy. The spirit will deal DMG to the enemies in a line when you hit a random enemy
the spirit stays for about 3 seconds and saves up all dmg from **last Shot **and flies to next enemy hit dealing it ALL in 1 number (uncapped)

Taget; Clone Monarch Shield/Health (Immortal)
10mil per pellet base
15mil per with Lightning Element
2x15mil with Fish and Bearpaw
2x15mil+ 2x7.5mil with Penetration bullet, so have to Elemental share gemini to get Fire bonus against his health
2x15mil+ 2x15mil = 60mil per pellet

Pellets, skip any other character then Monkey with Cudgel (it counts as** Last Shot**). Cudgel shotgun is capped at 10 pellets/hits.
60mil x 10 pellets per cudgel = 600milper cudgel
Unstoppable Phantom III + Raging Waves III may strike both Clones 4 times each
600mil x 8 Cudgels = ||**4.8bil **||

Here is the full sauce

[waxen owl]

so it basically accumulate all damage within 3s and the spirit just basically spew the similar damage to one random enemy

[lucid nova]

More or less yeah

[waxen owl]

gotcha

[lucid nova]

Although you need to do it on monkey for good results

[waxen owl]

so if u hit primary, the spirit dmg accumulate still count right if i read correctly

[lucid nova]

Yep, after casting one or two primaries shoot an enemy

[waxen owl]

gotcha

i'll put that build in line
still got many dum build i wanna try

also i wanna understand how star devour could be such a lethal weapon tho

[lucid nova]

I made a pretty zesty build with it a while ago, you need a very lucky roll for it to be viable tho

[waxen owl]

just give me like, little tips about it
but not like whole guide
is itcause of the exclusive inscription? lucky shot? projectile+? elemental?

i like to just discover things

[reef creek]

Is the 1 mag clip gemini good on anything other than pistol Nona?

[nimble flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/750664488637693952/1122691386106454048/2023-06-26_02-32-56.mp4?ex=651d6095&is=651c0f15&hm=fef9dcc03dab2a32faba01a0c962c983749cb9925e786edf8b694c89ee80aa2c&

[reef creek]

Still pistol girl, but very cool indeed

[fallen escarp]

Owl.

The gemini was practically designed for him, since he's got ascensions that trigger on reloading and consuming the last ammo in the magazine.

[pearl garden]

Some weapons are just good with it generally like the Tiger Cannon too.

Just realized the above clip showcases that a bit. But it's good on non Nona chars too.

[quasi arrow]

enjoy

for now you can take the same generic blessing in both the stages branch and in Lone Wolf, but I'm off to bed

so gn

[clear edge]

what are some fun last shot owl weapons to play around with? tried argus was alright, scorched rounds didnt really work out amazing either (maybe i need double exclusive explosion inscriptions)

[fallen escarp]

Hell is one.

Fastest reload of any weapon, so fast that you can legitimately reload between shots for no downtime, even without the gemini.

(Stupidly high micromanaging to do that normally though, but you can.)

[clear edge]

im not sure it'll work out well considering the two best shotguns inscriptions for it are "2 ammo reload" and "if first shot misses do +200%" .-.;