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[spark raven]

so if using fire tower or like kunai doesnt count as reloading what does it count as?

[glad mist]

Care to quote it

[glad mist]

I never read the announcement tbf

[glad mist]

Nothing i guess. it just wont apply reload bonuses

[upbeat drift]

Talking about ROR2?

[glad mist]

I was but not on that message lmao

[icy shale]

i had the scroll that gives wpn dmg based on copper and devil's covenant

it was a very rich run

i still got lowest dmg tho cause i was competing with local monkey to insta-kill every enemy in sight (it was nightmare diff) and he just so happened to move quicker i do

[balmy plover]

fair and balanced

oneshotted pole monarch

[celest lynx]

I got the soul essence cap and coin cap lol

[red glacier]

not exactly the coin cap but yes

[glad mist]

I thought it was?

[cursive creek]

yea GB owns the IP of risk of rain now but hopoo are still the devs of rorr which is nice but everything ror2 is GB now

[red glacier]

sorta

the cap is some much larger number that starts with a 2 or something

but once you spend any copper while you have that amount

it defaults back to 65535

[glad mist]

Oh right... but isn't that only obtained from cheating?

65535 is the only achieveable max right?

[red glacier]

i think so

yeah

[glad iris]

I find the game much more fun when you don't take hero blessings.

[upbeat drift]

I love ROR2 but by God it's easy

[wise oasis]

Hopoo Games will remain the developer of the Gearbox-published Risk of Rain Returns, and Gearbox will both develop and publish potential future titles in the series.

Completing the console versions of Survivors of the Void remains a top priority for Gearbox, and we can't wait to see what the future brings for Risk of Rain with them at the helm!

[upbeat drift]

Probably one of the easiest rougelites imo

[glad mist]

wow, fair enough didn't know that

[upbeat drift]

Gearbox? Updating games they bought?

Fake

[upbeat drift]

Thought this was common knowledge

[glad mist]

I mean unless you're following the game on console, you probably wouldn't know...

I only play on PC

[wise oasis]

it was stated in a Steam announcement

[glad mist]

I just looked through the announcements and none of them are obviously apparent of this. it was posted in a post mainly talking and RoRR

So common knowledge i wouldnt say so

[upbeat drift]

Maybe you just never kept up with the community, because it was huge

Only explanation I can think of

I think woolie made an entire video on it

[glad mist]

That's what im saying, if you werent in the community you wouldnt know

[next flicker]

wassup

Im only level 17 tryna get some people to play with lmk

[prime rose]

#1064937664870101033

[valid osprey]

Has anyone here ever faced random FPS drops/freezes on Steam version and managed to solve it on their own?

[red glacier]

in every mode?

cause it sometimes happens in spiritual assault

[fringe crystal]

How much ram are you running on

[valid osprey]

• Not sure if every mode, since I only started a few days ago I've only been playing adventure mission, but as far as I know, the difficulties I've tried (Normal, Elite, Nightmare) all have this issue, to varying degrees on each stage. I don't know if it's related to the amount of objects, textures or whatelse

[fringe crystal]

Try turning down your graphics

[valid osprey]

• 16 GB RAM total

[fringe crystal]

16GB is fine

[valid osprey]

at least 10GB free

[fringe crystal]

Graphics drivers updated?

[valid osprey]

yup

hold on let me list everything I remember trying

Update graphics drivers, GPU and CPU diagnostics, restart PC, reinstall the game, install it on the SSD, lower the graphics, run on Borderless or Window mode, tampering with compatibility settings, giving it priority on the Task Manager

[red glacier]

have you tried turning on vsync?

[valid osprey]

yeah that too

still got it

[red glacier]

no clue then

[valid osprey]

I mean, at this point it's safe to say it's a game issue, right?

[fringe crystal]

If its a game issue people would experience the same thing

Its a device or compatibility issue

[valid osprey]

the only clue I've got from all this is that my task manager doesn't register a spike in GPU/CPU usage, but a drop

[valid osprey]

then I'm absolutely clueless on how to move on with this, because as far as I know, what prompted this to start is completely unknown to me

my computer didn't see much activity between the two days where it wasn't happening, then began to

[nimble flint]

Trying to get some more eyes on this

[fringe crystal]

And other games work fine, its just gf thats lagging?

[nimble flint]

What we cant see and read are the log files generated from this

So we need a developer on this then

[valid osprey]

yeah any other game is fine

[fringe crystal]

Im out of solutions unless you wanna try verifying file integrity / turning off steam overlay for gf by right clicking the game in libary

[valid osprey]

also did these two

[fringe crystal]

You’ve really done everything haha

[valid osprey]

spent quite some hours trying to hunt down the source of the issue lol

barely any clues besides the drop

[solid bone]

I had the same thing a while back, but for me it was the Steam overlay. You could also check if you’ve got any other overlays active, like Shadowplay or Discord

[valid osprey]

all of them disabled

[solid bone]

Ugh, sucks

[red glacier]

do you use nvidia broadcast?

[valid osprey]

nope

I have GeForce Experience but I disabled the recording functions

[red glacier]

ah nvm, that used to be a huge issue for me

[solid bone]

Time to reinstall Windows I guess (this is like half a joke)

[valid osprey]

wouldn't be surprised tbh

Windows is just official bloatware

[solid bone]

Tried using CCleaner to repair any registry problems? Sometimes the registry causes weird shit

[valid osprey]

ah

good idea actually, let me try

[solid bone]

Low probability, but may as well throw it at the wall and see if it sticks, lol

[valid osprey]

but just for the record of how much I've already attempted

when I updated the Nvidia drivers

I didn't just update it, I did a full clean uninstall before doing so

[solid bone]

The obscurity of the problem makes me wonder if your RAM is fucky

Though why it wouldn’t be affecting any other games is a good question

[empty sage]

anyone trying to do a nightmare run

[quasi arrow]

https://discord.com/channels/656699542967812106/1064937664870101033

[pine oxide]

my best bird run and just my best run ever

[fringe crystal]

The real game was the ways we tried to fix gunfire reborn

[valid osprey]

for comparison's sake I just ran A Hat in Time for a while, no similar issue

[solid bone]

Yeah it's a real weird problem : \

[valid osprey]

yeah, Gura Kid is doing just fine

[scarlet wraith]

lmfao the chinese translations hit hard sometimes

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-unpossible-gif-5110385

LMFAO

Is there a native english speaker on the dev team at all?

[fallen escarp]

No.

Or at least I hope there isn't.

Because if there was and these descriptions still got into the game, that would be amazing.

[scarlet wraith]

Honestly I'd fix these for free if they let me.

[fallen escarp]

Well you could try. Just find a bunch of mistranslations, then put them in an #1060159100006178816 post with fixes.

[valid osprey]

Community translation when

I mean, it does wonders for a lot of games with communities

[fallen escarp]

That's what I've done in the past, and hey presto, some things actually did get changed.

Well that wasn't quite what I had in mind...

[scarlet wraith]

Whatever.

[valid osprey]

That is,, interesting

I was sorta half-joking but sure

[valid osprey]

my man, talk about playing with low probabilities

your solution might've actually fixed it.

[solid bone]

Oh shit, here's hoping

[strong jay]

Hh

[terse hound]

Hi!

how many players would u say

is the best way to play the game

[fringe crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/four-four-bfb-bfb-bfb-four-battle-for-dream-island-gif-23455732 (personally)

[scarlet wraith]

biblically accurate iron wing

2,333,934+2,227,185 in a single cannon shot

[spark estuary]

Hey, how does extravagant consumption work with lucky roulette?

[upbeat drift]

usually well

[spark estuary]

As in roulette goes first, and then extravagant consumption activates it's effect?

[upbeat drift]

yep

[spark estuary]

Cool

[upbeat drift]

emhanced roulette plus extravagent is busted

You can get hella stacks

[spark estuary]

What about regular roulette?

[upbeat drift]

It's hit or miss

if you usually end with low money

it's great

otherwise just use the money you make

[spark estuary]

But regular lucky roulette still goes first before extravagant, right?

[fringe crystal]

Same way, inconsistent

But i have gotten like 40 stacks using it a couple times

From transferring to the next stage ^

You can get around like 88 extra stacks tops

You do need to have atleast a 4 digit number to make it worth it

[spark estuary]

Truue

[hushed stratus]

Is there any source for the highest total dmg in a round?

[fallen escarp]

No, because it's theoretically infinite.

[fringe crystal]

Just how hard you can farm

[nova minnow]

what does red dmg text mean

[fallen escarp]

Lucky shot x3 or higher.

[red glacier]

@pulsar raven alphabet lore

[pulsar raven]

ok well technically

not

bfdi is completely different and i am appalled that you compare the two

one is a work of art and the other is alphabet lore

[red glacier]

so true king

[true saddle]

What's good about the star ring? First impressions was weird. Am I supposed to keep it on auto?

[fallen escarp]

Well, it smacks everything near you in a pretty reasonable range.

And I mean everything. Doesn't matter if there is a solid wall in the way.

[true saddle]

But don't the enemy have to be in a specific distance like in the line

[fallen escarp]

That's what retracting the ring is for. To hit everyone else.

[true saddle]

Ooohhhhh

Thank you. I'll try it again. Felt stupid about that

[wise oasis]

mag share as well

[river smelt]

it's amazing imo

i used it on scorching rounds with Nona and it felt amazing, but it's good on any launcher

[glad iris]

1 ammo mag garbage? lol wut

[fringe crystal]

@glad iris its not worth it

[glad iris]

bro is comparing weapon dmg to total weapon dmg.

[river smelt]

you definitely need some source of reload speed though

ascensions or inscriptions or w.e

[glad iris]

the gemini can give you 50% increased reload speed.

[river smelt]

yeah but i feel like only 50% might def feel clunky

and if possible i'd prefer a higher weap dmg as 2ndary to get the other bonus rather than the reload speed when possible

[cobalt dock]

both are total actually, tested yesterday

and mage shares buff says total

[fringe crystal]

total increase is percentage bonus after the weapon upgrades yea

[cobalt dock]

its a multiplier, doest matter when its added

buts its easier to explain that way, yes

[vapid crag]

hey does the highest damage dealt tracker have a limit? like a cap you could hit?

say 10 million?

[slow wraith]

intresting way to divide the platforms but alr

[fringe crystal]

its divided into what platforms cause crossplay just isnt a thing

[slow wraith]

ik, but in other severs theres simply different channels, first time seeing it as different discussions

[glad iris]

10m is the soft cap, anything higher is caused by things that bypass it.

[fringe crystal]

i prefer channels too

[vapid crag]

ah i see so my tracker is just stuck there then unless i pull off a bypass

[glad iris]

Pretty much, you can easily bypass it with combustion.

[vapid crag]

i used to think bird sucked for endgame but i have changed my tune after today 🙂

[slow wraith]

wait, what dmg tracker are we talking about here. The dmg numbers from hitting an enemy or actual dmg

[glad iris]

highest dmg dealt

[vapid crag]

on the main menu you can check certain milestones

[slow wraith]

ohhhh, mines is only 713k so i cant confirm on that

[vapid crag]

is there a cap on highest damage dealt in a run as well?

[fringe crystal]

no

[slow wraith]

mines is 182 million so I think not like they said

Anyways, idk if anyone has ever been more unlucky than this. I was in the desert on Reincarination 8 right before the boss and theres an elite invasion. I think its all fine but the elite arsonist AND the coyete has bleed on it. Things didnt go well.

[glad mist]

Well people have gotten 100s of billions by grinding infinite mobs for 6 hours

There probably is a limit

[fringe crystal]

bleed is deadly when paranormality lol

its so painful to watch

[vapid crag]

owl is so much fun

[glad mist]

3x Bleed mandrills

[fringe crystal]

getting capped is so sadge

[slow wraith]

I never played owl, been obbessed with... idk Nona, what is her animal. Are there 2 foxes now ?

[glad iris]

red panda

[slow wraith]

ahhh

[slow wraith]

Lord...

[fringe crystal]

me too, me too

[slow wraith]

But with that desert shennigans... Ive never seen the right side of my screen fill with debuffs so fast

[glad mist]

Or perhaps worse. Image 3x splitting mandrills

Nona is a red panda

[vapid crag]

she feels so easy and brain off

[fringe crystal]

thats why i love playing nona

[slow wraith]

I like characters that focus on HP more than shields honestly. I run Battlescared as my starting modifier. (running Lone Wolf)

[glad mist]

Wow. I usually skip battle scared every opportunity I get 😅

[slow wraith]

I dont even know what IS optimal lol. I go for tons of regen on Ao Bai and Nona and it works.

[vapid crag]

I choose the one that gives me 2 enhanced scrolls at phantom peddler

More scrolls more fun

[glad mist]

I go with gambler so I can get the goblets I want

[glad mist]

20% Enhanced scrolls is for sure better

[fringe crystal]

occult booster > steady profit any day

[vapid crag]

Remind me what occult booster does

[fringe crystal]

gambling addiction > consistent scrolls

[slow wraith]

Booster gives a 20% chance for all scrolls to be enhanced

[glad mist]

Which is insane

Also think it works with independent fortunes right?

[fringe crystal]

actually no ur right

[glad iris]

when rng is on your side :u

[slow wraith]

They ought to buff Steady Profit

[fringe crystal]

nah steady profit is steady profit for a reason

its for t he scaredy cats

[slow wraith]

lol

[fringe crystal]

who are too afraid to take occult booster

[vapid crag]

I love that owl can reroll scrolls into enhanced scrolls. I've had it happen twice with booster

[fringe crystal]

yep

[slow wraith]

Me who just figured this out 0.0

wtf, I literally maxed him out and read nothing

[vapid crag]

He's kinda rough early levels but giga snowballs

[fringe crystal]

every player the day owl dropped

[vapid crag]

So much text on the screen. I leveled and immediately went to work on the achievement

[fringe crystal]

i learnt more playing than reading his stuff

[vapid crag]

Yeup

[glad mist]

I just see his assensions as. Okay this boosts damage. Okay this gives more cards. Cool let them do things now

[vapid crag]

The gun ones are the worst imo

[fringe crystal]

its much easier to learn when you know that each character works off the same principles, weapon damage, primary skill and secondary skill ascensions

most of the ascensions follow the same lines

[vapid crag]

Well yes but I feel like cat kinda bends those rules a bit

[fringe crystal]

his elemental dominances are masked as the 'weapon' damage

[vapid crag]

I love how you knew exactly what I meant lol

[slow wraith]

huh !?!?!

[vapid crag]

[fringe crystal]

well yea, everything else is the same haha

[slow wraith]

well, I never play cat. Wouldve never mattered if I knew or not but thats interesting

[vapid crag]

I think the only character I haven't fully mastered is monkey and that's cause I got his achievement, beat R8 solo, and haven't touched him since

[fringe crystal]

based and real

i relate

[vapid crag]

He has ascensions that boost each element

Oh I also did the spiritual assault run of him

I still need to do the 2 new characters

[fringe crystal]

the new characters are easy as

[glad mist]

Monkey is amazing!

[vapid crag]

Nona is just easy so I kinda figured

[fringe crystal]

anything that involves beating the game is easier than requiring a combo of somesort

[slow wraith]

So wait, the game sold 1mil copies before leaving early access ? or do I just not have that badge for some reason.

[vapid crag]

Yes

so happy I have all the frames oml

[slow wraith]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo

[glad mist]

I had a AoV nona build the other day where my friend was doing a skill build and had extravagent consumption so was upgrading my weapons. we got the desert boss and i instakilled him so unexpectedly. it was from doing decent damage to just bam. gone

[fringe crystal]

you have the 3mil copy border, it looks better :)

[fringe crystal]

aov shreds

[glad mist]

its so dumb

[fringe crystal]

its a consistently powerful build

[glad mist]

I wanted to do an icy spear build tho

coz i feel with nona its actually going to be good

[fringe crystal]

maybe

[glad mist]

icy spear has like no synergy with anyone else

[fringe crystal]

fire icy spears

proc combustion and call it a day

[glad mist]

na that's boring

anyone can do a good build with combustion

[fringe crystal]

exactly

[slow wraith]

When a spear counts as a pistol 0.0

[vapid crag]

I had an interesting scroll interaction the other day. Roulette scroll plus the one that auto spends gold? First time I entered a new floor, immediately 83% damage increase

[glad mist]

it's because it acts like a kunai and kunais are considered pistol

[slow wraith]

Also, what does AoV mean

[glad mist]

basically pistol catergory is just pistols, plus things that dont fit anywhere else

Aura of Venom

[vapid crag]

Wasn't there a cat build with spear

Or am I crazy

[glad mist]

Yeah but it was still kinda garbage

it had like 2 goblets that worked for it

where as all of nonas weapon buffs work great with it

[slow wraith]

Star ring works kinda with Nona and her Heavy Modification ascension

[vapid crag]

Game is very simple. Get dual fang, gemini with arc, profit.

[glad mist]

there's been no true synergy with the icy spear

before nona

[glad mist]

miasma is trashed in multiplayer though

[vapid crag]

Shhhhh

[glad mist]

It does yeah its really good on her

all pistols are

i wanna do a scorching rounds, explosion crit build too

[vapid crag]

That gun feels so good

[glad mist]

It's like a destiny handcannon

[vapid crag]

.....

[glad mist]

i feel like i crit with it more than any weapon in the game

[slow wraith]

Ao Bai, Dual Fang, magazine gemini, infinite ammo usually wins me a game

[vapid crag]

I have too many hours in destiny

[glad mist]

ao bai dual fang is funny

[slow wraith]

I have NOT found a scorching rounds with Nona still

unlucky

[glad mist]

I used to, gave up a few years ago when it got shit

[vapid crag]

Witch queen is so good

[glad mist]

I think literally after Cayde "died"

maybe i played 1 more dlc

[vapid crag]

In terms of characters I enjoy playing doggy boy ranks low for me

[slow wraith]

hes sorta basic tbh

[glad mist]

Dog boy is basically just pew pew

but some weapon combos are very fun with him

[slow wraith]

BL2 Salvador

[glad mist]

which you cant get with other characters

[vapid crag]

Big fan of tiger, turtle, and owl

[glad mist]

Tiger ❤️

[vapid crag]

Dog is just

Legalise Nuclear Bombs

[glad mist]

If you playing him the most boring way

sorry

if you play the game the most boring way

atomic bomb sucks

🤮

[vapid crag]

One dog army mortar

Is my goto

[slow wraith]

NEVER used atomic bomb, is it actually good ?

[glad mist]

Weapon genius is his best assension

[vapid crag]

Eeeeh

[glad mist]

It's stupidly op

[vapid crag]

Oh boy

[red glacier]

one of the best in the game if not the best

[glad mist]

but makes the game instantly boring

[red glacier]

yep

[slow wraith]

WHAT

[vapid crag]

You just build for grenades and explo

[slow wraith]

this whole time ive lived under a rock

[vapid crag]

You're no longer playing the game

Somone got a 32 bill run I think

The game goes on autopilot and your screen is covered in a grenade png

[glad mist]

Whenever anyone talks about using it or brags about a game with it (unless a speedrun) i le sigh

[vapid crag]

I only use it when I wanna turn my brain off late at night

[glad mist]

That means literally nothing when you can get inf damage

[slow wraith]

Ive just done bullet spam and launcher runs with Ao Bai

[vapid crag]

Atomic bomb is funny

I might run it now actually

[glad mist]

Yeah it's funny until every person who plays ao bai in mp wants to do it because it wins them the game and they can pretend they're good

[vapid crag]

I play engaging builds like easy kill /s

[glad mist]

everytime i've ever played online with an ao bai they always go atomic bomb

[vapid crag]

Sniper Leo

[glad mist]

and everytime people will refuse to share scrolls with them

[vapid crag]

Chain lightning Lei leo

Was a Wr speedrun I think

[glad mist]

All lei lou builds are great

I love em

[vapid crag]

You go high voltage arc and spam q

Lightning from void + strike wing = stonks

I never go q builds lmao

[glad mist]

Q builds are great

[vapid crag]

Imma hop on if anyone wants to meme

[slow wraith]

My dumb self used to run reflection shield with Lei Leo until one too many Dark Bandits ran into me

[vapid crag]

I'm in bed. Was supposed to be 2 hours ago.

Backfire turtle

Is also a funny meme build

Turtle is my favorite to play in multiplayer anymore

Ywa

[glad mist]

Tao Q is fun, epseically with the on hit bonus damages. Bird Cleave is good, Turtle punch is amazing

[vapid crag]

Sonic the turtle.jpeg

Bird cleave

Ez kill + dual edge

Ez kill is so lame

[glad mist]

And getting like 50+ stacks

with his spiritual blessing

[vapid crag]

I'd rather shatter my shields and do 10 milly with my e

So I heard you liked Damage in kill so I put more Damage on kill in your Damage on kill

[slow wraith]

Easy kill is missing HP dmg right

[glad mist]

Bird is just fun imo

[vapid crag]

Easy kill is more cleave Damage on kill

So you get dual edge for your cleave basically

So you go to beetle mama and say "spwan me a farm" spend an hour In that room and make a reddit post

Didn't they nerf Atomic bomb in the dlc update

[slow wraith]

Me when they nerfed pain killer :(

[vapid crag]

I prefer copycat

I just love having 2 pages of a hud

Field prog

Prof

[fringe crystal]

Whenever i see someone go atomic dog i try my hardest to beat them

[vapid crag]

Didn't they nerf it

This update

[slow wraith]

I dont see anythnig changed about it looking in the logbook

[vapid crag]

Alr bet

[glad mist]

I don't think they touched it

[vapid crag]

LEGALISE NUCLEAR BOMBS

[glad mist]

Yeah pretty much, but if they get double exhil its basically over

[vapid crag]

Overdraft

[glad mist]

no

overdraft is trash on atomic bomb

you need high stacks

otherwise you're just throwing out 1 bomb

[slow wraith]

EWWW they ADDED MORE curses ?!?

[vapid crag]

It's great

[glad mist]

A good thing

[fringe crystal]

MORE EDS FUEL

[slow wraith]

lol

[glad mist]

Curses are the only real thing that adds any layer of difficulty to the game

[vapid crag]

More curses means more armor for bird which means more damage ez

[glad mist]

Unless you get the buffs for them and evil banishing talisman

[fringe crystal]

Im so glad they added more curses that barely impact you besides no trading scrolls

That means ill get broken gun less

[glad mist]

I have a self rule that i cant pick up evil banishing talisman

[vapid crag]

Same

[glad mist]

unless it's enhanced and i take other peoples scrolls

[vapid crag]

I want more curses

^^

Also a cursed chest that is line

[fringe crystal]

Take it all and a full cursed chest

A good feeling

[vapid crag]

With 3rd time unlucky

Revive (X) amount of teammates Recive (X times 2) Cursed scrolls

The new scroll that sets your ascension options to 2 has become one of my favorites in the game

[slow wraith]

I must have badluck bc once I pick up EDS or EBT I will never find curses

[vapid crag]

Find more red chests ez

[fringe crystal]

Explosive mag gotta be up there

Wanna see me clear some elites by RELOADING

[vapid crag]

I didn't expect the damage on that

[glad mist]

The fact that it also puts it to 2 in jokul is amazing

[glad mist]

Explosive mag plus concealed ammo is great

[vapid crag]

Wait. Why didn't I try that

[fringe crystal]

Concealed ammo?

Hmm

[slow wraith]

wait a minute. Explosive mag + Hell shotgun ??!

[fringe crystal]

Ive actually never used the concealed ammo outside of gaining more secondary skills early game 💀

[glad mist]

and then get the exclusive inscription that does more explosions based on how much ammo you have

[fringe crystal]

Holy

[vapid crag]

Very funny gun to 1 shot bosses with

[glad mist]

there's a cooldown on explosive mag

[slow wraith]

NOOOOO

[glad mist]

obviously

[fringe crystal]

3s

[glad mist]

otherwise you'd just run hell or scorching rounds as monkey with a launcher and assaulter

basically instant reload

its dumb

[slow wraith]

Lmao

[glad mist]

-75% reload time i think

[slow wraith]

well, concealed ammo it is

[vapid crag]

Shreiker Monke

[fringe crystal]

The only gun ive tried it with was acciddentally with a sunder

But doing an entire build based on a scroll is crazy

And the funny@thing is itd work

[slow wraith]

deafing mortar doesnt seem bad with explosive mag tho. Log ahh reload.

[vapid crag]

Does anyone wanna actually play

[slow wraith]

nah, its 6:41 am over here

[vapid crag]

American?

[slow wraith]

(I need to sleep)

yes

[fringe crystal]

Also what i dont understand is why the aura of venom is able to get the mag 1 gemini…

It sounds horrible

[vapid crag]

Laughs in dog with 1 mag mortar

[fringe crystal]

Low base damage not a fast reload either

What is the point

[vapid crag]

Use it for memes

[fringe crystal]

I like using a frenzied shark for mag 1 backups

Its funny

[glad mist]

Frenzied shark is one of my least favourite weapons

Piercing flame must be my least

it's just so boring

[slow wraith]

just your basic sniper

with B0RE ig

Also, playing this game, I realize theres a LOT of borderlands inspiration and ive even seen some from league surprsingly

[glad mist]

All the other snipers are so much more fun

Espeically

But i've always been a goshawk lover

Has some of the best inscriptions in the game

[slow wraith]

Find it interesting how Bricks Starlight rings predict your movement

[glad mist]

Yeah i realised that

It's cool but also i feel i have very unpredictable movement

[fringe crystal]

Brick starlight rings make me think im playing a gta tutorial

[slow wraith]

Its just like Draven picking up axes, if you understand what thats from

[glad mist]

League?

I've played a decent amount of league but I'm a Dota fan

[slow wraith]

yeah, his axes do the exact same thing

Watched Dota, never played it

[glad mist]

It's a lot more mechanical, but the reason i prefer it is because every ability actually feels unique, I felt like a lot of the stuff in league felt the same

[slow wraith]

I like watching the documentaries over it. The most recent ones were of Pudge and the Techies

[glad mist]

Ofc

the two terrors of dota lmao

[slow wraith]

lol\

[glad mist]

But dota has a lot of mechanics that can completely alter how the game flows

for example you can block creeps (minions) so they get to the lane slower, making them fight closer to your tower, you can also pull them into creep camps and stack creep camps. so basically you have like 4 spawns of creeps in one camp

And verticallity (high ground/low ground)

[slow wraith]

That’s interesting

The thing that I first noticed about the game is that turning takes time

[glad mist]

Yeah turn rate is a thing

[slow wraith]

Compared to other games where it’s instant

[glad mist]

Some abilities reduce turn rate

After playing a decent amount of both I can for sure say that dota is more complex mechanics wise. But knowledge of characters is more necessary in league.

Also skill shots are huge in league but not as apparent in dota

[slow wraith]

Things are more point and click there ?

Also yeah, I spent like a whole 2 months still not knowing what all the champs in league did lol. Abilities have so much text and interactions between eachother to know.

[cobalt dock]

mag share moment

https://i.imgur.com/uYuMre2.png

[fringe crystal]

What the hell did u mag share

[glad mist]

A lot of points and click yeah. But also a lot of basic shorter cooldowns abilities

[fringe crystal]

The highest mag I've ever gotten on a weapon is 208

You used the reload after killing an enemy stacks the mag?

[glad mist]

Godlike now pair it with the spiritual assension

[cobalt dock]

in fact

i don't have First Strike

[glad mist]

Sadge

[cobalt dock]

[glad mist]

That would be insane with first strike

[cobalt dock]

almost +3500%

[slow wraith]

Welp, sleepy time

with a big cup of sweet tea

[cobalt dock]

i recommend Pineapple coconut

[fringe crystal]

I thought tea made you stay awake

I just had hot milk tea and now I'm trying to sleep

[balmy plover]

whats overconsumption?

[glad mist]

Two things I hate

[glad mist]

A spiritual blessing

It buffs damage cooldowns and speed

But the bonus decreases for each scroll you obtain

[balmy plover]

is there a way to quickly reset run?

[glad mist]

Nope

Just have to exist and restart it manually

[balmy plover]

lmao

and do owl upgraded scrolls count for the frame? if im going to get only legendaries, and the game upgrades a rare one to a legendary, does it count?

[cobalt dock]

nope

[rotund plaza]

no GI still shred Polar in less than a second

a question

does Cowardly Bully include stage bosses?

[glad iris]

No

Otherwise it'd say elite/boss

[rotund plaza]

noted

[vapid crag]

High voltage arc is balanced

[glad mist]

Why are you taking photos with your phone?

[nimble oxide]

Anyone keen for a few games? 😮

[glad iris]

-lfg

[proper beacon]

To play with other players, head over to the Looking For Group channels and follow the instructions:
#1064937664870101033

[nimble oxide]

Bah.. Its so inactive

[vapid crag]

I will

Lemme stretch my legs for a sec

[nimble oxide]

Okie dokie!

[vapid crag]

Team 2

[drowsy narwhal]

how exactly does "pair of us" for Nona scale? it says +1% DMG for every 1 HP Iron Wing has but I feel like I should feel a much higher impact if I pick it at the beginning of a run seeing that it should be +550%?

I almost assume its something else since that is a ridiculous bonus

[cobalt dock]

nope, you are correct

fuckin' hype

https://i.imgur.com/73sejcZ.png

[lofty bay]

Coward

[glad mist]

It's a crazy bonus its just that you have to keep an eye on his health, as he can't go down and can often be at 1/0

[balmy plover]

why tf is nightmare harder than reincarnation/

[glad mist]

Because reincarnation gives you an insane amount of buffs

Nightmare being the hardest difficulty is a well known thing, in reincarnation you get so many more gameplay options to buff yourself, via bizzare dream, spiritual blessing, phantom peddler etc.

[celest lynx]

it literally doesn't let you get more money lol

[glad mist]

If you read further on we explained it. you can bypass it through cheats

[red glacier]

yeah

[glad mist]

That is the legit cap

[celest lynx]

I was playing it legit

if it is stored as an integer

then the theoretical cap would be 2.14 billion

[red glacier]

probably that then

[glad mist]

yeah probably the case

UNLOCK THE CAP

[nimble flint]

No

The caps were set for a stability reason

They will NOT be removed

[celest lynx]

stability?

[glad mist]

What stability behind having more money?

[celest lynx]

you mean like game balancing?

[valid osprey]

possibly data storage, although it's just a string of numbers

[celest lynx]

please do not speak on computer terms

[valid osprey]

I wasn't trying to!!

[red glacier]

damage number cap was added due to game crashes happening

maybe this is similar

[glad mist]

Just fix the crash instead 😛

[red glacier]

that was the fix

[glad mist]

Fix it without spoiling my fun 😠

jk

[red glacier]

so true

[celest lynx]

ya idk how increasing the size of a number would cause game crashes

[glad mist]

It is annoying in a way though because i love testing highest possible damage setups in games. I did it all the time in Monster hunter

Considering they limited it to 16 bit there must be a proper reason behind it.

But i'm not a game developer i wouldn't know

[celest lynx]

the only guess I would have for the 16 bit limit is for storage

or networking

[red glacier]

unity moment

[nimble flint]

The was a prominent issues with Crash to Desktop and Bluescreens comming from too high dmg numbers

[valid osprey]

yeah it's really just a Unity moment

[glad mist]

Yeah i can get that

[celest lynx]

what

[red glacier]

unity isn't really very stable when it comes to data storage

[glad mist]

but they didn't limit dmg numbers to a specfic bit size they just set 10000000

[nimble flint]

Too many high numbers causing problems in calculations during fights and frying games and systems

[celest lynx]

i use unity for game dev lol

[valid osprey]

RoR2 also has issues with that, although less frequently

[nimble flint]

Because realistically you dont need more dmg

[glad mist]

Clearly... they aren't very good at setting limits considering both can be broken lmao

[valid osprey]

well Unity isn't bad, just a bit on the bloated side

[glad mist]

But i want it, for number purposes

its fun

I would literally spend hours in monster hunter figuring out the highest possible damage from a single blow

not practical ofc but fun to test

Where as in gunfire its just. use argus, coz it fucks with the limiter

[valid osprey]

just big number fun

[celest lynx]

nah but like there is no practical reason as to why the number size would crash a game

even doing more taxing calcuations like square roots wouldn't cause a bluse screen

[valid osprey]

it's not always as simple as operations

[celest lynx]

ya

but I still can't see what would cause an error from how big the number is. Its not like overflow/underflow will cause a crash

if the damage cap is 999mil, then my guess is its not to stop crashes but to stop overflows

but I dont think its that high

[quasi arrow]

damage taken for an enemy is limited to 999,999,999.

[celest lynx]

if thats true, my guess is the reason is to prevent int overflows

[quasi arrow]

Thats true

[celest lynx]

since one more "9" would be 9.99 billion, which exceeds the int32 limit

and ya, the fix to such a problem could be to make it stored as a double or long, but the easier solution is to just cap the damage lol

and the only reason i can think of for using a Uint16 for money is networking, but the money amount wouldn't need to be shared over the internet so that doesn't make any sense

[rain vale]

"magazine capacity is fixed at one" gemini feels sooo nice on Qing Yan ! Constant Hail Of Bullets proc

This and double tap make gun build Qing Yan feel truly nice again

[celest lynx]

[brittle monolith]

whats the most broken build for spiritual assault

[glad iris]

Some mortar build with dog I think.

[brittle monolith]

noice

[wise oasis]

Magshare wild hunt if you want rsi

[cobalt dock]

i got the god

[twilit chasm]

magshare go brrr

[nimble flint]

God cant be contained by a mere box

[glad mist]

How do we know this?

[lofty bay]

I asked an enemy

[nimble flint]

WITH HIS FACE

[rancid fern]

what kind of animal is nona

[nimble flint]

Red Panda

[rancid fern]

nice ty ty

[junior wave]

Looks like a tanuki to me

[wise oasis]

nah, tanuki is japanese

[balmy plover]

for 3rd time unlucky scroll, what is a mysterious chest?

[fallen escarp]

Red ones.

[balmy plover]

k thx

[wise oasis]

damn look at my brick guys
it does so much damage

[slow wraith]

How do yall deal with elite invasions as Nona, keep getting murked on R8 by them

Hmmmm... or I could switch to R7

Also, Battlescared works with Iron Wing. He constantly regens 5% hp

[balmy plover]

how would u guys rank heroes? like tier list

[slow wraith]

Tao is the weakest imo. For solo at least. Too squishy.

I never play coop so idek how that would work there.

[fringe crystal]

Randomly beat my highest owl hit

[slow wraith]

Id need to go on a tierlist maker for ordering the Heros honestly

[gaunt hill]

elemental build for the win

[unreal horizon]

For the love of god can we make the "reroll for essence" a toggle so I don't need to sink 20k in Spiritual Assault so I can get blessings I want? the price goes up by 30 per reroll!

[fierce oak]

get your souls up foo

[unreal horizon]

Give me the Lei Luo free reroll or just make it a list

and add a toggle for single player so they can reroll 2nd 3rd 4th stage blessings instead of needing to save/quit to reroll

I'm on save/quit 30 trying to get my 3rd blessing right now

now 40

[slow wraith]

When the heck did they buff Advanced Depot ? I swear you did reduced dmg in exchange for using your ammo pool

[slow wraith]

Lordie

Idk, I just go with the flow

Unless youre looking to experiment with an exact build

[unreal horizon]

I'm aiming for banner achievement so I need specific blessings

[upbeat drift]

holy shit

I'm an old server member

I forgor I bought this game a while ago

[unreal horizon]

50 and it finally showed up

my god

[fallen escarp]

They didn't buff it. They nerfed it. Hard. Just what it deserved ages ago.

It no longer reduces damage by an insignificant -15% additive value.

It now gives a 50% chance to outright double ammo consumption.

[slow wraith]

oh

yeouch

basically a chance to do -50% ammo wise

but with other scrolls negating the double ammo use change, itll be rendered a buff

[fallen escarp]

Not much of a buff, but yes.

[unreal horizon]

What are the odds of Enhanced Curiosity Box having 1 Curse and nothing else

[fringe crystal]

happened to me LOL

[unreal horizon]

had to be Arms Trafficker of all things for me

[fringe crystal]

has this happened to you

[primal hearth]

I just got the owl frame :^)

On my first attempt i completely blanked and took a curse scroll with all legendaries, had to redo the whole run with purples instead

[fringe crystal]

congrats!

i made the same mistake lol

[primal hearth]

I only realized at the final boss D: it was pretty funny though

How do you recommend building red panda? I've been struggling with that character

Feels really squishy

[fringe crystal]

you can do missiles

pretty consistentbuild

[primal hearth]

Is the ai tracking on the strike build wonky

[fringe crystal]

he just attacks random things

[primal hearth]

Ahh okay gotcha

[unreal horizon]

The melee robot's move speed kinda holds back the mid game dps

[scarlet wraith]

it is done

[unreal horizon]

so why did they buff bloody ammo

[glad iris]

why not

[unreal horizon]

cuz they nerfed Advanced Depot

[glad iris]

You still have to be careful with boodly ammo.

[unreal horizon]

unless you're health build using lifesteal or you have a massive amount of shield regen/hp regen

[glad iris]

You need that extra stuff though.

Depot you didn't.

[upbeat drift]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-gif-27475997

joke, right?

[fringe crystal]

does hurting monarch clones hurt the real one?

[upbeat drift]

yes

A small percentage of damage goes to the real one

which is why bloody drill damage farm for highst 1 hit damage is only theoretically possible

[fringe crystal]

What's the percentage

[upbeat drift]

10% i believe

[fringe crystal]

I feel like it's a little less than 10% ngl

[upbeat drift]

Just saying what I've heard

don't quote me entirely

[fringe crystal]

It feels like 5% at most

I'd say it's lower

[glad iris]

I think it takes 10% of bleed dmg.

[fringe crystal]

Actually

I think you're right on the 10%

I'm not sure if it calculates fish or bear paw by 15,000,000 a shot or 7,500,000 but I'm gonna assume it's the 15,000,000

It was pretty consistent 1,500,000 damage per shot from the clones onto the real monarch

That's 10% of my damage

[upbeat drift]

Which is why no highest damage

[glad mist]

💀

[glad mist]

It's a buff for tao and anything that requires more ammo consumption lol

[fallen escarp]

It's also a nerf for Tao and anything that requires more hits.

Can't hit anything if you run out of ammo.

[azure sparrow]

hello

does enduring caster work with your max hp or your current hp

since i have airbag

dont know if its worth picking it

[fallen escarp]

Technically both!

Unenhanced works on your max HP. Enhanced works on your current HP.

[azure sparrow]

so

with airbag

i wanna pick normal one right?

[fallen escarp]

Yep.

[azure sparrow]

alr

thanks

[fringe crystal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1094507534838136923/1119150744621301810/Gunfire_Reborn_2023.06.16_-_15.43.59.08.DVR_Trim.mp4

[slow wraith]

Unless there’s some Tao build I don’t know if that’s broken playing solo. New being in this community and all 😭

[glad mist]

She is the single best spore builder in the game. Her Q build is crazy powerful paired with either onhit assensions and a rainbow or fast firing weapon and her swords build can be wild. What difficulty are you playing on?

She was the hero I climbed through basically every difficulty with

[wicked python]

Helps she has one of if not the best defensive ascensions in the game

[cobalt dock]

War crime bunny

[thin plinth]

Tao is a ton of fun

[balmy plover]

is there a way to know if ive failed the character specific frame?

[glad mist]

There is an icon in the bottom that shows I'm pretty sure. On the buff bar. When that goes. You've failed

[balmy plover]

does reseting scrolls as owl count as picking them up?

[wicked python]

if it resets to a higher quality than the quality you've chosen to exclusively use then you would fail the frame I believe

ie choose to pick only normals, reset a normal -> upgrades to a rare -> frame failed

[lunar bridge]

no it does not, if you're referring to resetting them before picking them up.

[balmy plover]

oh nice thx

[wicked python]

Yeah what I said only applies if its already in your inventory

[balmy plover]

k

thx

[balmy plover]

what is the best dlc to get?

[wise oasis]

Yes

[kind void]

That one

[glad mist]

Both

[pulsar raven]

yep

[reef creek]

Damn, it takes a long time to gather essence, eh

Am I doing it "wrong" by just trying to beat Elite mode solo?

[fringe crystal]

the one over there

[fringe crystal]

u can play with other people

[glad mist]

The game is easier in multiplayer

like wayyy easier

[fringe crystal]

have them carry you through higher difficulties

[glad mist]

coz inf revives

[fringe crystal]

you get like 1800 souls from a full reincarnation 8 run

[kind void]

If you run r8 with a party you can get 1 or 2 grand in an hour

[glad mist]

Best way to grind is r8 tao spore, and not spending any essense

[reef creek]

I think I understand half of what you're saying lmao

[fringe crystal]

hard difficulty = more souls

more people in a party = easier run

[reef creek]

What is reincarnation tho

Is it beyond Elite?

[fringe crystal]

Normal > Elite > Nightmare > Reincarnation 1-8

[glad mist]

Yes

[reef creek]

What is tao spore?

[slate flare]

nona range chicken r1 + overconsumption works too. to get ~1k in 20-30 minutes

[glad mist]

Tao with the spore gemini

It works incredible well with her weapon assensions

[fringe crystal]

Tao is a character that specialises in high fire rates

spores is a gemini that applies spores of a weapon

Fast fire rate = faster applications of spores

think of shooting a shotgun but at the rate that an smg shoots

[glad iris]

bruh I swear lightning governor never appears when I take high powered-arc.

at least the other one appears...

[upbeat drift]

Nightmare harder than reincarnation ong

[glad mist]

It is yeah

That's common knowledge

[pulsar raven]

normal harder than nightmare ong

[vapid crag]

finally after so long a good bird kick run

all or nothing is amazing

[carmine scarab]

guys whats a crazy build i should try

[glad iris]

frenzied shark build

[carmine scarab]

what with dog?

[glad iris]

[carmine scarab]

🧐

[glad mist]

Double brick dog

[queen citrus]

frenzied shark with the right inscriptions is really fun

also fun with counterviolence

[balmy plover]

all three gauntlets... in the palm of my hand

[pulsar raven]

craft them into mega gauntlet

[balmy plover]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-avengers-gif-14003260

[reef creek]

Damn, friend-shaped boss was such a curveball

First time ever fighting him, elite difficulty solo

Very fun boss but is it possible to end it when you have the window to unload?

I wasn't expecting a dps check

[glad iris]

yes

also you don't get to experience the original boss of Act 4

Back then if you failed the dps check it was game over.

[junior wave]

They shoulda kept the cutscene for it if u die to him

[reef creek]

What do you mean? The original boss was just the second phase?

Btw i died lmao

I don't think I can be ready for him by just repeating Elite, I might retreat to normal to understand the second phase

Felt hectic

[glad iris]

There was no 2nd phase.

There was just 1st phase and dps check.

If you didn't kill him during the dps check you failed the run.

You should try and kill him during the dps check and entirely avoid the 2nd phase.

[reef creek]

I can see that but it changes how I should approach the game. I was picking up mostly control stuff and I had a fairly good run

Also I wasn't expecting a world 4, let alone +10 weapons drops. That means I can pretty much switch out of any weapon since too

New perspectives. Investing feels not worthy it at the end

[glad iris]

You honestly really shouldn't be swapping out weapons in Act 4.

You should be able to find a weapon in Act 2 and invest in that.

If you can find a weapon that can do greater dmg in its current state than the one you've invested in then go for it. Though it's pretty rare.

Otherwise you'll be losing dps.

Your weapon should be at least +20 or higher when you get to Act 4 boss.

Usually around +30

[reef creek]

What

I barely got it to +10

Lmao

[cobalt dock]

im always ok with swaping weapon

[reef creek]

Also act 2 weapons don't have Gemini, do they?

Reminder: I'm on elite

[junior wave]

You can force a Gemini on them

[glad iris]

It's understandable in lower difficulties.

[junior wave]

Upgrade to +5 or so and then add a inscription

[glad iris]

But you'll start to notice a difference in higher difficulties.

[river berry]

the roadmap said thered be a new SA map, where is it?

[glad iris]

It's not out yet

[reef creek]

Are rift drops auto-sold?

[wise oasis]

Rift?

[reef creek]

Dunno how they're called in this game

The wall crack you shot open

[glad iris]

Vault

[wise oasis]

I think so
Ive heard they arent but i dont have concrete evidence either way

At some point its not worth the time even if they did not auto sell

[primal hearth]

Is it normal on r8 w/ 4 players for no one to be able to kill anything in the desert and everyone just sort of awkwardly stares at/revives each other

asking for a friend, yahoo answers edition

[tawdry sun]

If nobody has their (decent) build even remotely online, or you pick very bad scrolls that counteract your team in the fortunes dream modifier, yeah.

[primal hearth]

I mean I had good scrolls, i just feel like owl takes time to set up

It was really frustrating

[tawdry sun]

Meant more the "Interdependent Fortunes" Bizarre Dream modifier to the right when you start a run.
And Owl does take time (and a little luck) with primary skill build. Secondary build is more "explosive" from the get-go.

[primal hearth]

Yeah, i guess I didn't have the regen secondary early on which made building for that tougher

It was probably just a bad game rng wise, i just didnt know if enemies are supposed to take that long to get through/be that tanky

[tawdry sun]

Bad RNG like that can happen, yeah.

[primal hearth]

Thaannks

[nimble flint]

https://tenor.com/view/buffcatsnft-bcnft-buff-cats-pushup-gif-25035547

[final vector]

may i know why the optimization is dogshit in spiritual assault ? I have 40 fps with a 2060 on 1080p
may i know why the boss is the shittiest boss i ever seen, he has infinite hp with some dogshit attacks
60 minutes of lifetime lost, no fun because of huge fps drop

[tawdry sun]

I have decided to do runs for the sole purpose of crafting arsenal weapons.
This one I nicknamed: "Taipan"

[wise oasis]

Gluttony does not have infinite hp

[upbeat drift]

I call it "Brick"

[tawdry sun]

That's a nice brick!

[upbeat drift]

indeed

It was fun

[nimble flint]

A few Things :

First:
You can phrase that a little friendlier and not like you want to be the sassiest one around

Second:
Gluttony doesnt have infinite HP and it takes a litte attention to know his mechanics. The game tells you everytime on screen as well. || Hide behind the rocks ||

Third :
Performance hasnt been reported to be an issue especially with those specs
This could indicate a problem during installation , other hardware like RAM or where you have installed the game. I play on a 2080 base at 4k with no issue.

Fourth :
Please make a post in #1060159100006178816 so that help can be given properly

[junior wave]

Man defeated with facts and logic

[fringe crystal]

and a hint of manners

[pulsar raven]

jussa touch

of nice

[wise oasis]

No Response

[junior wave]

is functional deck bugged? i never see any buffs on the hotbar

cant tell if its working since the buffs are small

[fringe crystal]

it just doesnt show

but it does work

and its strong

[junior wave]

ah ok

makes it really hard to tell if its actually good

[fringe crystal]

yep

[nova minnow]

best hero for sword build ?

i wanted to dual wield swords but wouldnt lemme

[pulsar raven]

bird?

[main canyon]

bird

birb

[lofty bay]

laughs in dogs strongest ascension

[glad mist]

If you get the assension that uses cards when emptying a mag. Last shot? It's insane. I went form 100m dmg to 1.7 billion in the last area alone

[unreal horizon]

Functional Deck doesn't renew duration correct? So it's basically Merciless Combo with cards?

Doesn't seem that strong TBH

[glad mist]

It really is

[junior wave]

idk im feeling really weak with it

and im drawing cards like crazy

[lofty bay]

Crayon or pencil

[glad mist]

Especially with last shot and a hell of scorching rounds. Pair it with the Gemini that sets mag to 1 and it destroys everything and anything

[unreal horizon]

I would think First Strike is vastly more power than Functional Deck

[glad mist]

It's not about drawing them it's using them

[unreal horizon]

So a neutral all-hero blessing outperforms the hero-exclusive one

[glad mist]

I wouldn't say so no

[junior wave]

wait so i have to be using my primary

god dammit

[glad mist]

If you get a good build with functional deck it obliterates

[glad mist]

Unless you get last shot or whatever it's called with a fast reloading weapon

When built right it is incredibly powerful

[fallen escarp]

coughDominatingFistVsSkillFreakcough

[unreal horizon]

Can Functional Deck get to +1500% weapon damage like First Strike?

Well yeah I agree Altana, many exclusive blessings aren't as good as neutral ones

[junior wave]

how does last show make it op

if you have to use the card not clear it

[unreal horizon]

Clear or use card both works for Functional Deck so Last Shot does activate it

[junior wave]

if clearing cards works then its gotta be bugged

ive got maxed out bet it all

[unreal horizon]

Is that a bug? It's not even top 20 best builds if the unintended mechanic is to make a blessing mid tier

[glad mist]

It can increase crit. Damage and lucky shot... So yes. The thing with first strike is it's additive weapon damage bonus. So doesn't stack with any others.

[junior wave]

which clears cards fast

[glad mist]

You basically need last shot for it to work properly

[junior wave]

so then that means its bugged

or last shot doesnt clear cards and counts as consuming it instead

[lofty bay]

I think we need to nerf birb in response

[glad mist]

It's not bugged

[junior wave]

the main issue tho is that it doesnt show as a buff on the skill bar

[unreal horizon]

How many buffs can you keep up at once though? 6? with an average of like 4 legendary 1 wild 1 other? That's not going to compete

[junior wave]

so i cant even tell what procs it properly

[glad mist]

Yeah that is annoying

[glad mist]

Depends what you build. The strat ATM is a hell of schorching rounds with the 1 ammo gemini

So you reload insanely fast

And stack up a lot of buffs

[unreal horizon]

But the ascensions have cooldowns correct? so you're rate limited by those

[junior wave]

idk it makes 0 sense to me

last shot requires you to empty the entire magazine to clear 1 asroaspect

[fallen escarp]

Only Astrological Magazine and Card Storm do, which give you aspects.

[junior wave]

where as card storm will keep clearing aspects

[glad mist]

Last shot doesn't

[unreal horizon]

so it's how fast you can spam secondary, the 1 per reload every second, and the Card Storm procs

[glad mist]

I'm gonna be honest I'm not entire sure how it works without a buff icon present

But I can tell you with last shot it ramps up like absolute crazy

[unreal horizon]

Card Storm's secondary effect of activating by 10% magazine does not trigger if you only have one bullet correct? so it's just the 60% max chance to proc cards per shot with a cooldown?

[junior wave]

its either that

or the buff doesnt stack

im using a illusion to proc card storm

if funcitonal deck works as stated i should at least see a decent increase in atatck speed

since too many damage numbers to read

[unreal horizon]

I feel like without Mirror Hand that Functional Deck just won't work well enough

if you got a 60% chance to fill every slot on every activation and you have 6 slots then yeah that'll multiply your procs

[glad mist]

Cards aren't astrospects.

[junior wave]

card storm uses astroforcast at lvl 3

[glad mist]

That doesn't consume astrospects

[lofty bay]

I read this like a Yugio callout

[glad mist]

Astrospects are the icons below your bar that are used to cast falling star

Those are what you want to consume

[unreal horizon]

If you want to blaze through with Last Shot you need a fast firing single shot weapon like Arc Light with +Rate of Fire or something

[junior wave]

so then i specifically need to use my primary and not just clear them?

[glad mist]

By using your primary you do clear them

By using last shot you consume them

And there's the assension that clears them on an impure house

It doesn't matter how many cards you throw out

That means nothing

That's not astrospects

[junior wave]

so it doesnt proc by simply replacing them or by having them cleared by persistence?

[glad mist]

They have to be consumed

[unreal horizon]

So your question is if you have a full hand does additional Astroaspects overriding count?

[glad mist]

No you're not consuming them

Consume suggests you use them

Last shot consumes them for weapon buffs

It's probably just translation errors that creat confusion.

There's a lot of them

[junior wave]

so then persitence should work

[glad mist]

I mean I guess idk if it does or not

[junior wave]

its just hard to tell cuz of wording and no way to check

[glad mist]

Again without a buff icon it's hard to tell without properly testing

Yeah it's dumb

All I know is that last shot works perfectly with it

And that why you build something like hell or scorching rounds with 1 ammo gemini. Or a kunai

[junior wave]

im just wiffing it since its my first time using it

[glad mist]

I didn't get last star (not last shot) till just before I beat serpent. After I did I killed the serpent in 2 hits on R8 and then got the second level of it and my damage climbed from 100m to 1.7b in just jokul alone.

[junior wave]

so what stops me from permentantly procing it with advanced depot

ima see if it works

well it does consume so it does work

[glad mist]

You need to consume the magazine...

[junior wave]

you simply need to be on the last shot not magazine

[glad mist]

It's when consuming the last ammo in the magazine?

Not be on the last ammo

You clear an astrospect when you clear the last ammo in the magazine

It's to stop you from just reloading after shooting a single bullet if you have more than 1 ammo

Which is why you want to use a weapon that has 1 ammo