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[grand tendon]

with which weapon?

[fringe crystal]

Anything that can get an average magazine of 80 with no mag inscriptions

Thunderclap gloves, big hippo

[grand tendon]

okok ty

[fringe crystal]

I think radioactive got nerfed in magazine size recently

Can’t remember

[grand tendon]

yeah

it got set to 60

[fringe crystal]

Lmfao and the right click no longer replenishes ammo

[grand tendon]

nope

[cobalt dock]

Well, starring is 80

so get another one!

[fringe crystal]

That works too

I feel like they made legendary scrolls drop more frequently now

[grand tendon]

yeah its

aboutit

[fringe crystal]

I’m getting insane scrolls every run, with more decent chests here and there

Only down side is he benefits off slow firing weapons for damage scaling off his other ascensions

The only good thing there is that ammo recovery hostile gift

[cobalt dock]

correct

[grand tendon]

what is best on star ring manual or auto?

and what is the combo on it?

[harsh flower]

I've only meddled a bit with it, but I prefer auto

[cobalt dock]

auto?

[harsh flower]

It actually has two firing modes

[cobalt dock]

had no idea

[harsh flower]

auto will make it expand automatically and you just have to recall it

[young oracle]

it would be cool if star ring didnt extend all the way as you held it

cant control the range and hold it down

[cobalt dock]

thought auto would be triggering skill at max

like Auto

[young oracle]

if you could control the range and rotate it, then doing something melee with it would be viable

but the passive rotation damage is just trash

[modern obsidian]

where can i find groups to join?

[rare quest]

#1064937664870101033 if you're looking for people to play with

[vapid axle]

whatb does upgrading scrolls do i cant tell the difference between unupgraded and leg skills

[rare quest]

leg skills?
follow from this : #1055550986292297838 message

[warm whale]

how do i consume astroaspects for funtional deck blessing?

using e doesnt seem to give me the buff

[proven kiln]

Is every Astrospect the same rarity?

[warm whale]

they need to be the same?

[proven kiln]

Because every Astrospect has to be the same rarity of the Scroll you are trying to Alter

[warm whale]

this isnt altering anything tho?

[proven kiln]

Yeah in order to "Consume" (at least from my 10 minutes of gameplay) the Astrospects HAVE to be the same rarity

[warm whale]

ah dang

thats a pain

[proven kiln]

Well so is Gambling

[fringe crystal]

A pain at the start, later in the run you can pretty much gurantee legendaries

[proven kiln]

I like to think of Stage 1 and 2 as you being a Gambler going against The House and 3 and 4 to you being The House

[fringe crystal]

By the end of the desert, you'll have somewhat consistent rares/legendaries

What do you guys like your setting as

I keep mine on most legendary

[proven kiln]

I don't know I didn't have much time to test him yesterday before work

[fringe crystal]

I wanna get as many legendaries for the end as possible

[rare quest]

Rare Most

[warm whale]

hmm i cleared it when all astroaspects were the same and still didnt get a buff, does it not show as a buff icon?

[rare quest]

maybe it just doesn't show

[alpine umbra]

idk, though i play the owl as an ability main

so i don't care much about the weapon buffs

[warm whale]

im just trying out how itd be like if i built weapon

though so far cards build is more fun imo

[alpine umbra]

i picked it up and didn't feel much of a difference really

and yea card builds are fun

[wet gyro]

scorching on nona is kinda fun

[alpine umbra]

nice cursed scrolls

[wet gyro]

was going for frame

[rare quest]

imagine that cursed scrolls on owl. that'd be so good

[alpine umbra]

true!

[wet gyro]

on owl its insane

[warm whale]

wait why?

[hybrid gull]

Owl is soooo confusing

[wet gyro]

evil devouring sword modifiers

[warm whale]

ahhh

[alpine umbra]

also evil banishing talisman

[warped kettle]

I started with a friend yesterday and i would need some tipps on literally everything, so if you have some I would be glad to hear some^^

[wet gyro]

this was from yesterday playing owl for the first time

didn't know what I was doing but almost did 1 bil

[alpine umbra]

20 downs 💀

[wet gyro]

we had some

pretty cursed rooms

LOL

[alpine umbra]

fair lmao

[warm whale]

what geminis do you guys like on owl? so far ive just been using spore

[alpine umbra]

i don't use weapons on owl tbh

[rare quest]

no gemini, or maybe element share

pure skill dmg

[warm whale]

not even for procing card storm?

[rare quest]

meh

Falling Star rain looks cooler

[cobalt dock]

wait a minit

since fucking when did Bloody ammo trigger on AoV weapon skill

[rare quest]

since it doesn't automatically reload anymore

[pseudo mirage]

How does that work? Does it just keep firing?

[rare quest]

yep

no more need for Deft Hands

[cobalt dock]

didn't know that would count it as a OK

[pseudo mirage]

So that's why everyone is talking about how broken AoV is rn

[flat lichen]

yo

could it be that its bugged?

it says 33% but shows a lot less

[rare quest]

no, that's the chance if you use primary skill from empty

or more like, the bar is the chance of what's the power of the primary skill if you cast it

[flat lichen]

oh

so my Q chance is the first picture

and then my E chance is the second picture?

like power chance

Q power chance

[cobalt dock]

AoV killing elites under a second in a Foundry room

[flat lichen]

E scroll quality chance

[wicked python]

IIRC yes Jelly, 1st pic is likelihood the slots below the bar fill with the respective tier. 2nd pic is likelihood what tier E is cast if you casted it right then.

[flat lichen]

oh that makes a lot more sense

but i thought..

wait a second that wouldnt add up..

[flat lichen]

the first picture is ur scroll quality chance for Q

i thought the second pic is the same thing

but i suppose its not?

[wicked python]

The Scroll Quality chance for filling a slot with that rarity upon casting a Q, yes.

[flat lichen]

but

i thought if you have diff scrolls its impure

and u dont get an effect

[wicked python]

So if you cast Q, you have a 33% for one slot to fill with a legendary.

That's for your E.

[flat lichen]

ye so about my E

the thing beneath my E is the chance for what my E rolls?

depending on the scrolls?

ah now it makes sense

[wicked python]

Yes, the level of E, based on what your slots are at the moment of casting E.

[flat lichen]

this is impure

[rare quest]

yes

[flat lichen]

meanwhile this is good

ah im colorblind

[wicked python]

Yes, and it's a 100% chance of being impure because the scrolls do not match. Hence the bar is entirely gray

[flat lichen]

this is so hard to differenciate

ah yea

i didnt know it was gray

[rare quest]

however, if you take Fate Thread, the bar is going to be a bit misleading

[flat lichen]

okay holy i finally understand this class

o why? wait lemme check

[pseudo mirage]

They made Owl so much more complicated than he had to be lol

[flat lichen]

yea

[rare quest]

because they don't assume the aspect reroll as part of the chance

[flat lichen]

also i cant find fate thread

ah found it

ah yea i know

so like when its impure suddenly u get a wild

to fix ur roll

but later on its constant scrolls anyways

[wicked python]

It's less complicated than it seems, it's just not explained very well in-game.

[flat lichen]

like it just comes naturally

[wicked python]

both via UI and description lol

[rare quest]

it's definitely easier to just play around and find out

[flat lichen]

anyways okay so

about scrolls itself

the upgrade automatically, right?

depending on what i select?

[rare quest]

yes

[flat lichen]

which changes my chances?

[rare quest]

based on your upgrade strategy

[flat lichen]

do i generally

wanna get as many scrolls as possible?

as long as i can get all upgraded to leg?

[placid dragon]

i am also confuse on owl

[wicked python]

You generally want to get as many scrolls as possible, yes. But depending on what you want your end strategy to be(probably legendary) you might skip out on a normal scroll here or there

[flat lichen]

yea

like i normally reset normal scrolls

[cobalt dock]

we need #gunfire-faq for Owl btw

[flat lichen]

well wait i have to ask

so if i have a normal that gets upgraded to leg

or a real legendary scroll

is it the same thing?

[wicked python]

add an ?owl command that just links to that reddit thread lol

[placid dragon]

so is owl skill damage even more busted than fox?

[wicked python]

They'd be treated identically @ jelly

[flat lichen]

alright so

main idea is get as many good scrolls as possible

reset any bad scrolls, if they are still poop just discard

failology do you know generally what upgrades are good on owl?

[wicked python]

each tier of E is always better than the previous, so the closer you can get to 100% legendary pull is always better

[flat lichen]

ye

[wicked python]

so just doing whatever option that gets you closer to that goal is optimal

I have no idea about ascensions I only played him once and I spammed Q

[flat lichen]

okay wait

is astroforecast

the Q cards?

yea it is

mhh wait

ok wait

can you help me figure out the difference here

one adds.. capacity to astroforecast

and one to card holding?

ah... forecast is the ability itself

[wicked python]

They both upgrade capacity, and I believe in this context "capacity" is specifically referring to number of cards that can be summoned simultaneously

[flat lichen]

yea so uh

there is

[pseudo mirage]

It'd be 10x easier to figure out the abilities and effects if they removed "Astro" from every single term lmao

[flat lichen]

Scrolls beneath E: Astroaspects
Q Ability: Astroforecast
E Ability: Falling Star
Astrohouse: Combo that activates on E (Impure, Legendary, other)

[wicked python]

how else woudl we know owl is an astronomer... 🙃

[flat lichen]

gotta remember

the devs are chinese

[pseudo mirage]

This excuses nothing

[flat lichen]

well its actual small indie game

i think is fine

[wicked python]

Astrohouse is synonymous with "slots" but yes these terms are accurate

[pseudo mirage]

You know they probably have the chinese word for astro everywhere in the chinese version lol

[wicked python]

I believe some ascensions refer to the astrohouse as slots but Im not 100% sure

[placid dragon]

so is owl skill damage scaling even more busted than fox?

[flat lichen]

i think so

owl is goated

[placid dragon]

more busted than fox that if there wasn't a damage cap would deal like a few millions damage per e?

[pseudo mirage]

His early game needs a serious buff tho, or at least some extra HP/Shield

[flat lichen]

DPS: Perfect Deck, Under Control, Mysterious Revelation, Card Printer, Fate Thread
Shield: Star Spirit Blessing, Star Protection

[flat lichen]

there is!

[cobalt dock]

the buff bar is capped at 18 icons

[pseudo mirage]

There is what?

[flat lichen]

there is shield ascensions

[fringe crystal]

They made the icons for stacks so small

[flat lichen]

to make him more tanky n stuff

[pseudo mirage]

Yeah one ascension that gives you a tiny bit of extra max shield, oh boy

[fringe crystal]

I liked them the way they were before

[rare quest]

this chance is quite insane, and it's only the boss stage of Act 2

[flat lichen]

yea u won

if u can make sure to not die

everything past 50%

with the right hero skills

is insane

I wrote this down seems like the best for scroll based build

DPS: Perfect Deck, Under Control, Mysterious Revelation, Card Printer, Fate Thread
Shield: Star Spirit Blessing, Star Protection

[rare quest]

this is the current build

[flat lichen]

ah..

you need the left tree

[rare quest]

no

I summon Rain

[fringe crystal]

How good is the primary compared to card build

[wicked python]

Primary is hit-or-miss

[rare quest]

this

[wicked python]

early game E is maybe even outright terrible

[flat lichen]

mhh i suppose

[wicked python]

but obviously it scales very very well

[flat lichen]

ah ok wait

[wicked python]

Cards are good but its a pure skill build so better hit ur ascends :)

[flat lichen]

i understand

middle is E buidl

left is Q build

and right is just weapon dmg

yea okay I suppose middle tree is also a playstyle

i personally like Q cause its auto aim

and i cant hit E

[fringe crystal]

The owl is the first character I changed my secondary skill fire key for

[pseudo mirage]

E tracks onto enemies if you target one

[flat lichen]

ye but its actually missable

[pseudo mirage]

He made me add a secondary skill button to my mouse lmao

[pseudo mirage]

If you don't target an enemy, yes

[fringe crystal]

I had it on mouse button 3

Then when I'm playing owl I have it on left click

[pseudo mirage]

For AoV?

[fringe crystal]

Right click

[pseudo mirage]

Oh you did mean secondary skill lol

[fringe crystal]

Yea

For the cards

I'll try primary build when I wake up

[pseudo mirage]

So you only shoot weapons with alternate fire mode?

[fringe crystal]

Well I have the main fire bounded to mouse button 3 instead

I had an aura of venom held down on right click so I could proc arms dealer and gain secondary skill charges from consuming ammo

With bloody ammo

While shooting cards

[pseudo mirage]

Fair

[fringe crystal]

Atleast for the last owl run I did

[pseudo mirage]

Guessing you use card storm too?

[flat lichen]

either way thank u for teaching

have a good day everyone

[pseudo mirage]

You too

[fringe crystal]

I haven't done primary build but cards are pretty decent

[pseudo mirage]

I just hate how inconsistent Owl is

It's literally "If RNG was a character"

[fringe crystal]

For primary, maybe

[pseudo mirage]

No. For his entire kit

[fringe crystal]

It's definitely possible to get all runs to gurantee legendaries eventually

[pseudo mirage]

Eventually

Sure

Not the other 95% of the run

[fringe crystal]

I'd say closing to the end of desert

[pseudo mirage]

Haven't even made it through desert, just impossible solo

[fringe crystal]

On R8?

[pseudo mirage]

Yes, with Lone Wolf 2

[fringe crystal]

How about I try and get his frame first try tomorrow in solo R8

I'll report back

[pseudo mirage]

You do you

[fringe crystal]

What bizzares do you have on

[pseudo mirage]

I just keep getting 1 shot no matter what scrolls I get because he has shit shield and terrible HP

All

[rare quest]

pffft

[prime rose]

I mean this is an RNG game

[rare quest]

what is even that chance

[cursive creek]

his health and shield are pretty middle of the road, sounds like a you problem ngl

[prime rose]

Everyone is so used to steam rolling through R8 with every character that now a new character has a bit of a learning g curve to play properly and they say he’s weak

[fringe crystal]

It's a sharp learning curve but after 2 games he's pretty simple

I sat there and read for 15 minutes and learnt nothing, just go in game and you'll figure it out hahaha

[rare quest]

pretty good run, 73 occult scrolls in total

[prime rose]

I’ve had no issues solo’ing R8 with him, and on my first run I didn’t even try to read his abilities because it was such a mindfuck that I just kinda yolo and still cleared

[cursive creek]

yea I just happened to go cards on first run and well that's all I needed to know

[prime rose]

Mhm

[rare quest]

this is the final draw chance after act 4. yeah, that's fair

[prime rose]

Obviously the more you play him and understand how he works the easier the runs get

But he’s in no way a weak character

[cursive creek]

not even close

[prime rose]

The only thing I kinda struggle with still is playing off card storm

Feels a bit underwhelming compared to others way of playing him. But I could be doing something wrong

[cursive creek]

I use it as a backup, go full card build and spam q but have the new octopus gun and hold left click while you spam q, it'll just add extra cards in every now and then

[pseudo mirage]

I mean I also just did not ever get the one card damage buff ascension in 80% of my runs so once I hit desert I just have 0 damage

[cursive creek]

yea I take gambler

[pseudo mirage]

If I take gambler I just die before ever reaching desert lmao

[cursive creek]

well then I mean I think you know what the problem is

[fringe crystal]

😭

[cursive creek]

[prime rose]

I always take endless assault

Very useful especially in the beginning

[pseudo mirage]

Yeah without Endless Assault I have a several second window of not being able to deal damage while shooting to regain secondary uses

Which is not good when facing 20 enemies :)

[prime rose]

Then just take endless assault

Or try playing lower difficulties until you get more comfortable with him

[cursive creek]

imo that's not a huge problem early game since weapons do just fine early game even when not upgrading

[pseudo mirage]

I do keep taking it. I just have the shit luck of never finding Perfect Deck ever.

[cursive creek]

mortar OP

[echo ridge]

sooo uh does anyone wanna party up?

[pseudo mirage]

I just found it as my first ascension after not seeing it AT ALL for 6 runs

[prime rose]

#1064937664870101033

[cursive creek]

all the new guns are great as well

[pseudo mirage]

I do love the ring

[cursive creek]

that squid gun god dang

[echo ridge]

thank you

[cursive creek]

ring is v fun

[prime rose]

Ring is really fun to use

Octopus seems kinda meh

[shadow edge]

does anyone know how i upgrade scrolls with Zi Xiao i feel so stupid

[pseudo mirage]

Ring just renders the lil explody fucks useless

[prime rose]

The new smg is good too

I haven’t tried Brick yet

[shadow edge]

Brick seems funny

[pseudo mirage]

I will do a Lei Lou Brick build at some point

[prime rose]

It auto upgrades

Based on which setting you select

[cursive creek]

upgrades is just the rarity for pulling towards your e

[prime rose]

On the bottom right of where you see your scrolls

[cursive creek]

don't even worry about it just build cards :^)

[shadow edge]

ohhh its the drawing probability thats upgraded only

ty

[pseudo mirage]

Clearing Astrohouse happens when you use Primary, correct?

[shadow edge]

ye i dont really get his primary skill yet either

[pseudo mirage]

I genuinely have no fking clue how the Star Ring damage even works

I literally walk up to the stone golem boss, not even using cards, and the dude just gets insta killed?

Didn't even right click?

I'm so confused.

[mighty dirge]

My game keeps crashing on startup as soon as I get to the road map screen, does anyone have any suggestions I could try?

[lucid nova]

Anyone having any luck with star ring for dmg? Or is it a stat stick

[pseudo mirage]

Mine does a shitload of damage for no apparent reason

No clue

I just wait for max range and retract over and over

[lucid nova]

If i do that it just tickles the enemies

[pseudo mirage]

On what stage?

[glad iris]

Are you criting?

[pseudo mirage]

@lucid nova

[lucid nova]

Dayum

[still drum]

enhanced paranormality + flesh and bone is big funny

[pseudo mirage]

Against Elites, still good damage @lucid nova

Nothing too crazy either (fire is from fire conversion)

[lucid nova]

I mean that exclusive is pretty cracked but shouldnt be the main thing

Guess im just not playing it right

[pseudo mirage]

I mean I rolled the exclusive after the act 1 boss

[cobalt dock]

thats a good one

3 dmg insc

[pseudo mirage]

And it still almost instakilled the act 1 boss

It had mag capacity instead of the exclusive

[cobalt dock]

have you tried Occoult booster?

its fun rerolling enhanced scrolls

[lucid nova]

Yknow whats fun? Onehitting lu wu with selfdestruct 3 and some other OP stuff like deadly curse

[rare quest]

that was with occult booster

[lucid nova]

I should try owl with occult bosster tbh

[cobalt dock]

ah, Lonewolf?

didn't see it so

[inland glade]

now you gotta get Enduring Caster

[pine oxide]

best build for panda and how to start it

[lucid nova]

I like to play self destruct with melee mode and slam down on enemies but its not the best

Prob piston build is the best

Pistol*

[solar lion]

i really like how owl looks and want to start playing him more but i'm not sure how to build him well

[still drum]

card storm + card printer + under control

= win

[solar lion]

swag thanks

i still don't really know how the cards work though

[still drum]

pressing secondary button spawns cards in front of you and gives you 1 scroll in the little box under your ult bar

the cards auto lock onto enemies

the bar under your ult tells you the chances of your ult being that type

so if you bar is like 33% blue and 66% grey then you have a 33% chance of having a blue ult. The chances are determined by whats in the boxes under the bar. If you have 2 different types of "scolls" in the boxes then your ult will 100% be a grey (impure) ult

red "scrolls" act as wild cards and will mimic the colour of the other ones in your boxes

[solar lion]

ohh

so like, if i have two blues and a red, the red is a third blue?

[still drum]

yes

[solar lion]

that's helpful

[still drum]

3 reds on their own mimic a legendary

yellow

[cobalt dock]

how do i upgrade the scrolls as owl?

[still drum]

bugged afaik

[cobalt dock]

i don't see any prompt

[pine oxide]

how is pistol on nona so broken like what part of it is

bc yesterday i saw som1 get 4b dmg

[still drum]

mfw no friends play this game

[lucid nova]

It does it automatically, idk why there is a counter since it is at 0 for 99.9% of the time

[cobalt dock]

i got 8 now

[lucid nova]

Check ur scrolls if they are upgraded

[cobalt dock]

all look like they should

i've reroll like 90% of them

[lucid nova]

It doesnt upgrade them to enhanced scrolls btw, it just increases the chance for legendary astrohouses

[cobalt dock]

yeah, rarity up

[lucid nova]

Ye thats what it does, you can check it at the bottom right of ur screen

[cobalt dock]

nvm then, i see now

[lucid nova]

👍

[fair oasis]

The golem is so op

Against enemies with clones

It insta targets the correct one lol

[cobalt dock]

the game is hard stuttering against elites from the cards lol

[lucid nova]

Golem?

[red glacier]

I'm gonna try the DLC for the first time today

[cobalt dock]

talk?

@red glacier

[lucid nova]

Its fun af

[solemn sleet]

how tf does this work

does it just consume other ammo types to boost dmg for each type of ammo consumed?

[inland glade]

yes

but it also consumes normal ammo still so

ammo belt good

these scrolls are comical with the Projectiles +1 inscription

hilarious to me how Special Ammo + Projectiles +1 Strike Wing is just +96% Lucky Shot Chance by default

[red glacier]

still down?

[cobalt dock]

im in general

fool

[red glacier]

omw

[proud shale]

woe

[prisma stream]

what happened to the old channels, whats this now

[red glacier]

same channels, but more organized

just open #1037342758140117092

and choose the chat you wanna talk in

[alpine umbra]

was woodpecker a sniper rifle?

[lucid nova]

Still is

[proven kiln]

Brick Dog is real

Brick Dog can hurt you

[pseudo mirage]

That's one of the first builds I thought of when I saw Brick the first time lmao

Dual wielding a sniper lolol

[prisma stream]

how are the new characters?

[pseudo mirage]

Pretty fun

Owl is confusing but when you get very lucky rolls is quite good

Nona is just. Mech go brrr

[pale tulip]

anyone have any ideas why my controller wont work for gunfire. it worked fine yesterday but i updated its firmware today and now its not working. it seems to work for other games such as peglin just fine though so i know the controller itself isnt bricked

is an xbox elite 2 modded controller

[opal stratus]

guys what is the best rifle gun

[pseudo mirage]

Are you playing through Steam or Gamepass?

[pale tulip]

steam. i also tried steam big picture mode to launch the game

[pine oxide]

what is the main part of nona pistol build bc ive tried it and it wasnt that good

[pseudo mirage]

Maybe check your Steam controller settings? Maybe something got unchecked

[pseudo mirage]

Just get Star Ring and gg ez

[pine oxide]

what acesnions blessings and scrolls are good

[pseudo mirage]

Anything related to pistol?

Basically the right tree

[glad iris]

Hexagon :u

[opal stratus]

really...

[pseudo mirage]

For blessing ideally Same Boat, but Pair of Us is a good bit of damage too

[opal stratus]

in terms of damage though

[glad iris]

Hexagon

[opal stratus]

....

I tried hexagon a lot and its damage its pretty meh

[pseudo mirage]

I like a Big Hippo with homing bullets lol

[glad iris]

Its weapon skill hits harder than any other rifle.

[pseudo mirage]

Bruh you can hit 1 mil+ with the weapon skill in the first ROOM

[mortal trench]

Any bundle on steam with all dlcs

Pls link it here if there is

[pseudo mirage]

Have you looked on Steam? xd

[pale tulip]

so far the only setting that i didnt have enabled was the xbox extended stuff. i enabled that and restarted and im about to see if that fixed it

[opal stratus]

then which gemini should u go with the hexagon

[mortal trench]

Not working for me rn

[pseudo mirage]

Short answer: No. Unless you don't have the main game yet.

[pale tulip]

ye idk if ti was the restart or the extended stuff but it works now

[pseudo mirage]

Maybe both

[mortal trench]

I don't have the main game

Planning to get it today

[prisma stream]

can anyone explain whats different in spiritual assaultr?

[pseudo mirage]

Then yes, bundle is right there :P

[pseudo mirage]

Easiest to just play it yourself

[prisma stream]

well i didnt want to, thats why i asking here

[pseudo mirage]

First successful Owl run. Star Ring carried me through 70% of the run until my cards got strong enough

[sacred bridge]

so is the iron wing fire mode rocket use the same rocket as nona's secondary?

[pseudo mirage]

Yes

Anything that applies to your rockets applies to Iron Wing's rockets

[sacred bridge]

what the hell thats broken then

[pseudo mirage]

Quite

It clears rooms in just a few seconds with Shoulder Cannon

[sacred bridge]

been sleeping on the rocket build, will definetly try tomorrow lol

[pseudo mirage]

I present: Tower Defense!

[cinder lichen]

f

[pale tulip]

i saw someone explain it earlier but cant seem to find it now can somsone explain what howel and verocaity are

[prisma stream]

havent played in months, it said i unlocked some ammo scrolls, i couldnt understand what they meant

there was one for each type of ammo

[pseudo mirage]

Basically every (normal/large/extra/etc ammo) spent, it also spents one of the other mentioned ammo to give bonuses to your weapon

[rare quest]

Essentially, every normal shot applies a stack of [Howl] (Blue circle, iirc). Meanwhile, every weapon skill shot applies a stack of [Voracity] (Yellow circle, iirc).

When [Howl] is at 6 stacks, it does higher damage (don't know how it calculates for now) and also apply 1 stack of [Voracity].

When [Voracity] is at 3 stacks, it does the AoE bullet ring and also apply 1 stack of [Howl].

[junior sonnet]

If I enhance a scroll can I still get the border for Zi Xiao?

I feel like this is a dumb question but better be safe than sorry

[pine oxide]

best bird (not owl) build

[keen void]

as of pre dlc? kick

as of now? no clue

[tawny hatch]

is new max level 183?

[pine oxide]

does kick still work ?

[keen void]

oh yeah. it still works

the new all or nothing is crazy

[keen void]

188

[pine oxide]

what does this mean

[vapid crag]

Owl is big brain

[late willow]

nona pistol build is pretty strong bros 👀

[harsh flower]

Yeah, I did my R8 win with that. Pretty neat

[vapid crag]

Whats a forge only run like wtih nona

[dark girder]

As the enemy's hp goes down, your dmg goes up

[inner ruin]

is it possible that the description of this achievement is wrong?

i just went for this + the frame and i printed hundreds if not thousands of legendary astroaspects over the run
but i only used the to cast falling star once
and i went from 15 to 16. is it possible that this achievement doesnt track how many you got, but rather how often you cast falling stars with a legendary astrohouse?

[prisma stream]

How are the numbers on steam, can I still find games thru matchmaking

[inner ruin]

https://steamcharts.com/app/1217060

12k concurrent players

26k peak today

[prisma stream]

Well not official numbers, more like people finding public games

[inner ruin]

idk i never do public matchmaking

[prisma stream]

I wanna go come back into the game branch out, I need come out of my ao Bai bubble

[prisma stream]

Yeah this is what I was asking, if people was doing it

[tawny hatch]

how? I have all items unlocked and talents and am only level 183

[terse crow]

Yeah it's wrong, it should really say "cast [legendary astrohouse] 200 times"

[inner ruin]

paiiiiiin
thats so much more pain than what the description actually says

[fringe crystal]

You have to be missing a tree of hero talent somewhere

[inner ruin]

at 183 youre missing exactly 1 hero worth of talent upgrades

[terse crow]

It's not too bad, getting Fate Thread will get it almost every time once you get to fjord or jokul.

If you have enough scrolls and set to legendary most you should have no problem just spamming it until the achievement pops

[red glacier]

man

i just finished up a foundry only owl speedrun

[keen void]

do tell

[red glacier]

and it was painful until late

what do y'all do to get him up and running early on?

keep in mind

this is usually the max number of scrolls you'd get in a speedrun

[inner ruin]

explosive cards is prolly the best earlygame he'll have

oh its on normal

[red glacier]

yeah

[rocky lava]

Anyone fond of Jet Octopus?

[tawny hatch]

nope

[rocky lava]

Well, 188 IS the max now ^^' .

[cobalt dock]

CA still works

https://i.imgur.com/WU2GdyU.jpeg

and is more fun now

[inland glade]

so something interesting to note: if you have Take It All, and pick up an enhanced version of a scroll you own, it doesn't drop the original, so keep that in mind for co-op

[analog charm]

so what's going on with the new all or nothing? does it just not proc nova or thunder shield anymore?

[inland glade]

nope

[cobalt dock]

all or nothing is a blessing

[wise oasis]

All or nothing should still proc thundershield tho

[inland glade]

it doesn't tho

[wise oasis]

bug?

[inland glade]

Could also be intentional, like every other bad decision they've made with that character

[wise oasis]

i definitely remember a qing yan in this server proccing thunder shield with leap, steam name is NTEmage, @timber meteor was there also

[inland glade]

If it is then it's a bug with anything that restores armor immediately afterwards, like Backup Shield or Regen Hit

Cuz in my run, neither Nova Shockwave or Thunder Screen triggered on it

[wise oasis]

works

i do not have regen hit or backup, i'll try to get them and see if i can reproduce it

did you see them on your run summary?

or maybe enhanced thunderscreen

[spice wave]

I just found a scroll duplication glitch on reincarnation

[pale tulip]

@spice wave sounds fun but useless unless you want more money

[inland glade]

Helpful for multiplayer if more people want the same scroll

[spice wave]

It's good on the owl bc it gives you up to 5 more legendary scrolls

Per act

And it boosts the odds of the astroaspects

[spice wave]

The owl can reroll the scroll, so you can get 5 more

[vapid crag]

Power brick

Did hits of 600k a crit

[wise oasis]

i was able to reproduce it by having Ethereal Feline Spiritual link. My Last Stand would not proc either. I think its probably to do with the way the Consume all Armor is coded as exactly that amount of damage.

[inland glade]

Well designed code

But that's okay, I'm no longer playing the bird anyways

They've ruined how a Leap build feels, and Cleave isn't interesting to me

So I play turtle for my melee fix

[wise oasis]

how is it supposed to feel

[smoky crag]

In Spiritual Assault this character is amazing because you remove most of the RNG with skill damage blessings. Super duper fun to play in that mode. Normal mode though she is ass

Owl is next

[inner ruin]

ok wasnt actually that painful in the end, got 100% again

[wise oasis]

Nona is not ass

[red glacier]

^

[gentle cloud]

hey so, what weapon classification do knives/daggers fall under? (ex: sniper, shotgun, pistol, etc)

[terse crow]

Pistol

[gentle cloud]

awesome, was wondering if they were affected by nona's pistol affinity ascensions

[terse crow]

They should be

[wise oasis]

https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Weapons#Pistol

should be accurate

[winged pebble]

anybody else feel like reincarnation hp values have been drastically lowered recently? nothing really feels hard anymore

[smoky crag]

Now youre catching on lol

[wicked python]

You should start purposefully taking some of the more difficult fortunes if you want extra challenge. It'll easily be some of the hardest content in the game if you do so

[ionic bolt]

Overwhelm+resilient+shrine+deflection

[wicked python]

Triple Comeback from Fortunes gives all enemies a revive on death, for example. Pair with 4p Lone Wolf and Mysterious Jokul dreams and stuff can get pretty intense

[winged pebble]

how long has it been? 😭

i havent played super actively for a while but last time i tried reinc was only like a month back

and now its like

[ionic bolt]

Even more power creep tho

New 1mag gemini is utterly broken

even worse if you slap pistol reload+chroma mag on SA

Weapon type 2*1s still seem to work for all weapons

Same for buffed magshare, since infinite mags is nearly guaranteed nowadays in a run

[gentle cloud]

got both exclusive frames now for the new characters :)

[woven siren]

for Zi, what does it mean; can you only pick up 1 rarity of scroll?

and if you pick up any other rarity even for a moment, does that kill the run

[gentle cloud]

yes, you can only pick up 1 type of rarity, for example, i went for rare scrolls only, purely because they can be more powerful than normals (duh) as well as zi having the ability to reroll scrolls into the same or 1 tier higher scrolls, so any normal scroll i found, i had the chance to reroll it into a rare scroll.

and YES. do NOT pick up any other scroll EVER, reroll things outside of your backpack, and becareful what red chests you decide to interact with, as some directly deposit scrolls into your backpack as opposed to just opening up

unfortunately youll just have to recycle legendary scrolls altogether

[woven siren]

that’s fine

[gentle cloud]

and if you decide to go for rare scrolls like i did, make sure to set your upgrading choice to "rare most"

[woven siren]

but yeah i was wondering why i didn’t get the achievement but it was bc i got ‘On The House’ once 😭

my dumb ass picked it up automatically

thanks for the info!

[gentle cloud]

np! gl

[fallen escarp]

1.5 years since the first massive buff to make the game easier.

[fair lantern]

im confused about zi xiao is there a guide that is good out there i cant figure out the impure astreohouse and what happens when they are not all the samw

[fallen escarp]

Since then it's been developer tradition to have most of the balance changes be buffs, and usually far stronger than any nerfs.

[gentle cloud]

the devs made a guide on the steam guide system actually

[winged pebble]

WHAT?

it hasnt been that long since i played reinc actively

[fair lantern]

steam guide system?

[fallen escarp]

That's where it started. Every update since has made the game easier and easier.

[gentle cloud]

steam guides, press shift+tab when in game and you can see steam guides in the bottom right

[winged pebble]

ahh I see... kinda sad tbh!

[gentle cloud]

one was made for xiao by the devs

[zinc socket]

Has anyone had a good run with the owl's Falling star build? Im understanding how to weigh my probability towards rare/legendary rolls but the dmg is.. laughable

in a bad way

[wicked python]

what diff are u playin

[zinc socket]

I play in r8, but been playing with a friend testing out the new characters

so multiplayer is making the hp higher then normal

but still, extremely underwhelming launch for that ability so far

[wicked python]

it starts out really bad but it obviously scales

[timber valley]

Imho r8 only really weeds out the egregiously bad runs from getting anywhere lol

[wicked python]

so it can definitely feel painful. I would recommend to priotize your strategy to Rare Most early on and then Legendary Most much later

[zinc socket]

Its honestly doesnt feel like it scales well at all so far, slow early game is respectable if the late game is rewarding enough

Yea ive learned how to get rare/legendary most of the time in the mid/late game but its not like legendary comes out and melts stuff

mobs are literally bathing in it laughing LOL

[patent badge]

Is the new "fixed capacity at 1" Gemini just really rare or is its list of weapons applied very specific?

I found an AoV with it but zero luck trying to reforge it onto a Thunder Storm.

[fallen escarp]

Thunder Storm's weapon skill uses 2 ammo per shot. That's probably why.

You can check exceptions in the Craftsman's screen.

[patent badge]

Ah okay, ty!

[woven siren]

the owl is soooooo good

i did 78 million damage in one stage with him

[undone gorge]

Where do the arsenal guards spawn in runs to pull out weapons

[fallen escarp]

Duo Fjord 3 and Hyperboread Jokul 2 vaults. Also after defeating Pole Monarch.

In other words, so late in the run that you've likely upgraded a weapon to be way better than what you have stored.

[undone gorge]

Wow. So worthless

[wicked python]

It can also spawn in 2-3, cant it?

[stone vector]

speaking of arsenal, i just queued and this guy GOT BRICKS

[fallen escarp]

Not anymore.

[wicked python]

For some reason I recall doing a 2-3 cube vault and getting him instead of a chest

[undone gorge]

So what the point.

[wicked python]

but maybe was first day of patch*

[fallen escarp]

Point of the Arsenal Guards? Almost non-existent. Your main weapon will likely be upgraded way higher than what you'd get from the storage.

Gemini fodder may still be useful, but if you're at the end of Duo Fjord already, you're likely killing everything easily already.

Point of the Bizarre Dream however...

+3 weapon slots, letting you use both high quality early weapons while also preparing a suitable gemini combo in the extra slots.

Inb4 the devs undo the nerf to the Arsenal Guards and go further to buff them as an apology, making them not only reappear in Anxi Desert 3, but also in Longling Tomb 4 and Longling Tomb starting stage.

[sacred bridge]

i just notice that the weapon u save on arsenal guards doesnt retain the + mark? i saved like +25 star ring and when i check again its now +6

thats just sad

[fallen escarp]

It matches the stage you're in.

To prevent getting +999999 weapons.

[undone gorge]

Spawning in act one a little too strong. End of act 2 is fine.

[fallen escarp]

Though given what you can already achieve, hitting the damage cap with such a weapon wouldn't be that much worse.

[sacred bridge]

try start of act 2

[fringe crystal]

I just remembered triple mag capacity inscriptions on a mag share or first strike build would actually be pretty useful

[sacred bridge]

btw does nona's mastery ascension (the one that raise iron wing atk) only affect iron wing's strike mode?

[fringe crystal]

For the arsenal

And that's the only use I see

[sacred bridge]

since it doesnt specify strike mode or fire mode i assume it affect any?

[fringe crystal]

Other than lightning ball projectiles for T&G

[fringe crystal]

Yes

[sacred bridge]

sick

[fringe crystal]

It should only affect his strike mode

Cause if it affects the other mode it would specified

[sacred bridge]

oh wait

[fringe crystal]

All his ascensions say 'strike mode will' or 'increase fire mode x' and such

[sacred bridge]

huh thats a shame

[fringe crystal]

Yea during a run you would never want to be doing both modes

Unless an enemy is too high up for your mech

[sacred bridge]

yeah but that one doesnt specify any mode, so it affect both right? did i get that correct

[fringe crystal]

It's didn't notice a change in turret fire rate when I picked it

It's in the Strike mode category

The fire mode has its own ascension for rate of fire

Lemme find it

[sacred bridge]

yeah it kinda weird that it didnt specify any mode but every other ascension does

even if the rof doesnt get affected i assume the damage still does

[fringe crystal]

Yea alot of translation and grammatical errors

Oh, mastery is entirely strike mode

Fire mode is affected by secondary skill aka missile damage

[sacred bridge]

damn

[fringe crystal]

Strike mode has 2 whole ascensions for burst and rate of fire

To increase fire mode damage you need to pick

[sacred bridge]

right, so for the rocket+fire mode build i literally only have 1 tree to work with

[fringe crystal]

Yep

That's how every build in the game is

You can't build with 3 trees

Usually it's one full tree then 1-2 ascensions in the other tree's that also help you

[sacred bridge]

well i mean technically u can focus on 1 tree and still can get some that benefit u on other tree.. for example the for primary skill tree still benefit from the %fire damage on the other tree

[sacred bridge]

yeah

even nona pistol build u still can just get the strike mode tree

or vice versa

[fringe crystal]

Oh yea definitely, that increased attack speed for strike mode helps with the same boat blessing

Heres a good example, eagle eye (the weapon tree) is the universal ascension good for every single one of her builds

[sacred bridge]

is that the one that let u guaranteed crit if u crit before?

[fringe crystal]

Yea

At 10 stacks you gain 50% weapon and skill damage

Despite it being in a weapon tree, it still helps her skill tree

And every character in the game has something similar

[sacred bridge]

huh??

[sacred bridge]

wait what i didnt know this the hell

[rare quest]

That's the Eagle Eye

[fringe crystal]

Just charge up 10

Get your foundry and hit 10 headshots

And never use your gun again

Permanent 50% skill damage

[neon yacht]

Ok so I'm probably just being dumb but how does Zi Xiao work exactly? Can't seem to properly wrap my head around him.

[sacred bridge]

i only remember about the guaranteed crit part, idk how i miss the rest of the description LMAO

[fringe crystal]

Yea it's a core for all my builds

I take it when I see it

[rare quest]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GunfireReborn/comments/13xg0xd/an_early_guide_to_owl/

[sacred bridge]

i skip those ascension a lot, guess i've been missing a lot of free %50 skill dmg

oh i guess now that u mention it there was the skill dmg bonus when u use primary skill on strike mode tree

that should work on fire mode too right?

[fallen escarp]

Yep.

[fringe crystal]

You should prioritise in this order
Hardwood missile
Shoulder cannon upgrade
Missile storm
Heavy modification
Force recover (can be taken earlier if struggling with secondary uses)

And yes energy overload is another one of those universally good ascensions for all her builds

[pale tulip]

is Zi Xiaos frame broken? i went through the game and decided to get only one scroll and never picked up another scroll but didnt unlock it. then did a second run only picking up scrolls of normal rarity and still didnt get it

[fringe crystal]

But this time it's strike mode tree

[pale tulip]

both defeated the pole monarch as it says

[fringe crystal]

Did U have cursed scrolls

[pale tulip]

nope

only normal

[rare quest]

in what difficulty?

[pale tulip]

nightmare

didnt want to deal with spirtual stuff of reincarnation so i did nightmare

[fringe crystal]

That's weird, there has to be something you didn't notice

During the run, if you meet qualifications for the frame the icon will appear in the bottom left

So you can keep track throughout if you're still eligible

Do you have a screenshot of the run?

[pale tulip]

no i dont but apprently going to play info it says i had a cursed scroll

but i never used any red chests to even get a cursed scroll

i just b-lined to pole monarch

[fringe crystal]

Yea that makes sense, since cursed scrolls count as wild cards

Had to have been from a red chest

What rarity did you choose

Common?

This might've been the issue

[pale tulip]

i dont remember using a chest but i guess i did i only have normal scrolls so im still not sure how i could have gotten a cursed scroll in place of a common scroll. i guess i just got to try again and make sure to ignore any chests ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fringe crystal]

Yea

[pale tulip]

if you take no scrolls does it still count towards getting the frame or do you need tot ake atleast 1 scroll of some kind

[rare quest]

Curiosity Box, perhaps?

[fringe crystal]

Who would ever take curiosity box on the owl frame run tho, that's a death wish

But is a posibility

[pale tulip]

the scrolls there are the only ones i took i might have just used one that was a cursed scroll for hp or somethingthough and not noticed

the level 39 brick is the weapon i started with

[ionic bolt]

Nonono stoppeth, we both know it's almost inevitable

arsenal guard next to starter weapon chest & blessing is going to happen, it's just a matter of when

[upper dome]

mech drop build with field prof and magic watch so fun

squishing enemies

[fallen escarp]

So... that reddit posts about "Does this game get balance changes in patches?"

Who's going to be the brave one to break the news to them?

[lofty bay]

"whats a balance"

[fallen escarp]

Dunno, I've only ever heard of "up"
Damage up, survivability up, luck up, win rate up...

Chance of not picking birb up...

[queen citrus]

does the astrohouse need a specific astrohouse to become a beter astrohouse?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[queen citrus]

i dont even know what an astrohouse is honestly. about to do my first run with the owl. maybe i will figure it out

[lofty bay]

it astroneeds to astromatch

otherwise it won't astrowork

[fallen escarp]

Get colours in bottom slots. Fill all slots for an Astrohouse.

Matching colours + any reds = better Astrohouse.

Non-matching colours besides red = bad Astrohouse.

[upper dome]

the astrohouse knows when its matching by astrosubtracting the astroforecast from the astrohand

[terse crow]

I'm about to astrolose my mind with you talking like that

[clear geyser]

is Nona OP?

[fallen escarp]

Don't astroworry, astrotalking about astroaspects and astrohouses is astroeasy to astrodo.

[clear geyser]

I tried her for the first time and already got the portrait for her

[lofty bay]

she brings many of the bonuses that multiplayer gives to every game

[terse crow]

My astrobrain is astrohurting now

[unreal horizon]

Falling Star does no damage so don't think too much

[fallen escarp]

Correction. It isn't OP.

[lofty bay]

Shoutout to my Gunfire purchase anniversity

[rare quest]

mine almost there

[latent wadi]

That's a whole lot of lucky shot chance

[stiff sky]

What's funny is that what's strong about Nona isn't her kit or anything else like that, it's simply the pasive of having a massive pool of HP that soaks up aggro in a singleplayer mode

[crisp ridge]

My first win with zi xiao

His early game felt weak but when I got to the second stage

[stiff sky]

enhanced deflection shield?

how well did that go for you?

[crisp ridge]

ı just spammed q

[crisp ridge]

very good actually

ı one shotted everything

[jaunty harbor]

did you do it without getting an astroaneurysm?

[crisp ridge]

literally everything including the bosses

what is astroaneurysm

[jaunty harbor]

the debuff applied to you after reading anything owl has

[crisp ridge]

it took me like 25 minutes to read everything and think of what build would be good for him

I also watched a short gameplay video

it was fun learning him

[crisp ridge]

5 mins maybe?

[stiff sky]

alright, explain to me the difference between an astroaspect and an astrohouse

[crisp ridge]

okay.
Astroaspects: Small scrolls inside squares below your primary
Astrohouse: All 3 of these squares

ı think it was that

[stiff sky]

not necessarily, but close enough

[crisp ridge]

whats the exact definition?

*what are the exact definitions

[zinc socket]

idk how I would define that tbh, Sum of the astrospects maybe?

[keen void]

the astroaspect is one of the components of the astrohouse.

The astrohouse is the colorful bar under your cooldown timer.

The aspects come in one of 4 varieties. If you have more than one veriety of aspect, you get an impure house.

the pure house does different things depening on what aspect type it's full of.

[fallen escarp]

Astrohouse isn't the bar.

[keen void]

what

[fallen escarp]

That bar represents your probability of getting different Astrohouses, if you filled in the remaining empty Astrohouse slots.

[keen void]

then dissregard what I said

[stiff sky]

slot machine

[undone gorge]

How does bless in disguise work

[rare quest]

your ascension choice are limited to only 2, but you can choose both 3 times

[undone gorge]

It didn't work for me. I choose to pick all three on one and it o ly gave me one

[rare quest]

all three?

[undone gorge]

Yea

[rare quest]

there should be the [Select All] button on down right

[undone gorge]

Of one

[pale tulip]

if i have all three conversions as a spirtual link does one take priority over the others or does the weapon get all three

[keen void]

you get three chances to take both scrolls.

[fallen escarp]

One takes priority. You can pick which one.

[keen void]

you can just take one by selecting it normally

[pale tulip]

how do you pick which one

[pseudo mirage]

I believe it's fire > corrosion > Lightning but I could be wrong

[rare quest]

wiki said you can choose from inventory -> spiritual link?

[fallen escarp]

By checking your spiritual links.

[keen void]

if you want both, you select take all

[pseudo mirage]

You can select which one? I've been told you just need to disable the ones you don't want

[rare quest]

I'm not sure about those either, I never switched it

[keen void]

you have to open your links through the inventory

then just click the conversion you want

[pale tulip]

interesting

i never knew that

[pseudo mirage]

Damn. Is that new or have I just wasted a bunch of scrolls

[pale tulip]

^

[fallen escarp]

It's newish.

[glad iris]

It was patched not too long ago.

[pseudo mirage]

Ah

So I'm assuming Star Ring can not be dual wielded?

[pale tulip]

correct

[pseudo mirage]

Would be hilarious tho

At least Brick can be

[prime rose]

Playing Nona feels so brain dead compared to Owl

[upper dome]

Forecast owl is pretty braindead

[pseudo mirage]

Yes, Nona best

[upper dome]

press q and look at enemies. Easier and stronger than missile

[pseudo mirage]

Her missile build is made for Spiritual Assault. Tower defense owo

[pseudo mirage]

Don't even need to look at enemies with Nona lol

[upper dome]

it’s not hard to look at them

forecast is better

[fading kettle]

Can someone explain the Owl's ability in like kindergarten language

[upper dome]

not possible

[fading kettle]

Ive read it 3 times and i still dont understand anything

[pseudo mirage]

You just place your mech in the middle of an area and hide behind a rock for a few seconds

[upper dome]

maybe if you’re playing normal mode

[prime rose]

This is probably the best you'll get https://www.reddit.com/r/GunfireReborn/comments/13xg0xd/an_early_guide_to_owl/

[upper dome]

They put out an official guide to owl themselves

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2983827414&snr=1_2108_9__2107

[fading kettle]

Not really what im looking for exactly, but I do appreciate it ty

[opal stratus]

hey guys is there a dedicated channel for character builds?

[prime rose]

Nope

[fallen escarp]

Sure.

Primary skill puts colours into slots at the bottom of the screen. Matching colours increase primary skill's power. Red can also be any colour. Non-matching colours is bad.

Secondary skill gives you cards to attack enemies. It also adds a smaller amount of colours into the primary skill slots.

Scrolls you carry increase the chance of getting colours, based on the colour of the scroll. Lots of one colour scroll = lots of matching colours = good.

[prime rose]

You can just discuss it here, I guess.

[fading kettle]

This is what I was looking for, thank you!

[opal stratus]

Then do you have builds for lei luo? I havent play it because i just started downloading the game again and so many patch pass so I would like to try leiluo again

[pale tulip]

my friend keeps arguing that the soul essence is green and im pretty sure its blue, and i know im not colorblind

[fallen escarp]

It's light blue.

Teal at best.

[opal stratus]

yeah

its a mix of both

u guys not colorbind, you are just not good with colors

[pale tulip]

no he was trying to say it was a deep green. almost the same green as my namesake not a bright green or anything

i think his screen just has color issues though

[prime rose]

Check the gunfire reborn wiki, there are build guides there for him

[pseudo mirage]

Nope, Reincarn 8 :)

[upper dome]

sounds like u havent had a good card run then ig

[glad iris]

card issue

[lavish raven]

the devs officially madwe something more op than atomic dog

[glad iris]

what's that?

[lavish raven]

plus secondary overdraft

[prime rose]

That’s not more op than dog

[lavish raven]

I just had a 3 bil run on engineer with this lol

[glad iris]

solo?

[lavish raven]

no ofc not it was trio

[glad iris]

jokul mode?

[lavish raven]

yeah

[glad iris]

sounds like dmg farming final boss clones.

[prime rose]

^

[lavish raven]

idk i couldnt see lol

[prime rose]

It definitely was

[fallen escarp]

One of several reasons why total damage number is not a good indicator of how powerful something is.

[lavish raven]

tbf nothing is gonna beat fox

[prime rose]

Considering the fact that missile won’t go pass cap since it has no elemental. You just have to be attacking unkillable clones

[lavish raven]

unless they nerfed her

[median dove]

I did it

got all the achievements again

[placid dragon]

i mean a tap of her e does 30m

[median dove]

the astro one was really annoying.
Getting 200 legend astros basically had me sitting at the final stage with the recharge-secondary ascension

and just waiting to hit secondary over and over while carrying a bunch of legend scrolls

[placid dragon]

and it is so consistent to get this damage too

[vivid pilot]

i love iron wing

[cobalt dock]

i got it by accident

[rare quest]

I got the 200 legend astro by just playing

[misty ginkgo]

having this strange issue. playing with a friend we did a match and after starting the second one it unreadies him and says connection timeout, anyone know if there's a way to fix this?

[queen citrus]

so i finally did nightmare in less than 30. decided to use nona and let the mech do it for me. did it first try in 20 minutes

[bright barn]

getting back into the game after about a 8 month break. Just did a blind run with the Owl and they seem really strong

[unreal horizon]

Whats strong is that you rerolled with owl for dual edge and merciless combo

[upper dome]

no indication of rerolling

[graceful mountain]

how exactly does the owl work? I am lost.

[unreal horizon]

I don't think the status screen shows the reroll icon

[upper dome]

secondary skill puts bonuses in the bottom slots for your primary. Bonus is randomly chosen based on the tiers of all of your occult scrolls, but can be fixed/manipulated with some ascensions. Strength of primary determined by how good the matchup us, legendary being the best obviously. thats the most complicated part of it but its way simpler than it seems. Just experiment

[graceful mountain]

alright

[unreal horizon]

Experiment and realize that primary build is trash and just stick to secondary

[rare quest]

Never

[unreal horizon]

Then you don't need to think about rarity again

[rare quest]

Primary Build is da wae

[graceful mountain]

OH it's just trash? that explains A LOT.

[upper dome]

yeah falling star is horribly inconsistent and youre usually still doing a lot of damage with cards anyways

card explosion build is ridiculous

[unreal horizon]

If I could guarantee it was legendary every time, buffed the damage by 50%, made the homing default, and widened the radius, it would still be worse than Li

[graceful mountain]

time to actually use the owl correctly.

[upper dome]

its so fun to do max difficulty with lone wolf 4p and vaporize a room of elites

silly cards

[unreal horizon]

And this isn't even accounting for how fast Li can spam vs Owl. Owl is worse in single hits and even worse in stacking cards and Falling Star CD. It's a joke

[upper dome]

I mean its definitely not worse

have you played a secondary build on the owl? you can stack up to 1000 reserve cards

and then u can go through an entire stage without pressing any buttons besides movement

[unreal horizon]

You will not aoe clear an entire wave in act 4 in one attack with Owl, nor can you spam it to kill everything by itself

[upper dome]

wut

[unreal horizon]

And we're talking falling Star, the primary

I was comparing primaries

[upper dome]

oh

[rare quest]

But rain funny

[upper dome]

yeah falling star is ass

[unreal horizon]

Requires more investment, more setup, longer cooldown, smaller aoe, less damage

Just a trash primary

[rare quest]

there's no setup, only gamble
but yes

[upper dome]

still better than dual wield

[unreal horizon]

Unless you're weapon genius using dual mortar

And even if you don't upgrade the secondary with Weapon Genius demonlore is always default a placeholder for his primary

Run one Demonlore offhand with some ammo Regen + whatever primary

And honestly I'd rather have the default hp Regen from dual wield with no bonus dps than falling star

Falling Star is a waste of my finger pressing the key

The 0.7 seconds it took to fire it off is 0.7 seconds of lost card or gun dps

The only character I actively don't use their primary is Tao because of the ascension giving bonus damage from stacks

[upper dome]

why do we defend the cube if its going to explode anyways

[unreal horizon]

Some martial arts reference for the fruiting blossom of heavenly fruit

You fight off the hordes of enemies who want to eat the tree

But the fruit you get is a chest lol

[spiral token]

What do the "slots" of the new hero mean? is it the amount of cards it can hold?

[main forum]

Can’t you get extra shield and DPS from firing the swords though?

[young oracle]

Also dont want to use it with blossom swords

[glad iris]

Yeah. In fact, firing her swords can get you really absurd damage. You need Sword Enthusiast III and some way to summon more swords.

Because of this she's potentionally the strongest character in the game.

[main forum]

Blade of bloom my beloved

Though I do believe her strength comes from the secondary skill, not the primary

[glad iris]

Nah, it's her primary once you build it correctly.

Endless sword spam to increase your weapon dmg.

I had a thunderclap glove hitting for 3mil once.

But that was back before FP was nerfed.

[cobalt dock]

consuming 48 large ammo per fire

576% luck from a normal scroll

[fallen escarp]

What are you using to consume 12 special ammo per shot-

Oh wait, +1 Projectile Deafening Mortar with Twin Gunner.

[cobalt dock]

Sui's Hostile gift only recovers reserv for current weapons ammo type

but dogs is all per second

[fallen escarp]

Say, do you think you could find Advanced Depot too?

[cobalt dock]

hum?

[fallen escarp]

50% chance to double ammo consumption.

[cobalt dock]

forgot that claus

maybe

Stashing items removes any Etch attempts not done on the weapons

[placid dragon]

where does the vault spawn on this level again?

[fallen escarp]

As far as I know, it doesn't.

[placid dragon]

no vault?