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[echo vine]

Am I allowed to post text files?

I do have one concept I'd actually consider finished

[thorny parcel]

Yeah you're allowed.

[echo vine]

Don't really have anyone else to bounce ideas off of, so maybe you guys have some design advice or something

[thorny parcel]

Hmm... some odd choices here. I'll keep reading.

[echo vine]

I'm seeing it

The whole kit feels disjointed to me a little

[thorny parcel]

Some of the things I thought:

• Biopowder's an interesting passive to apply to weapons at no real cost. Certainly incentivizes using them. However infinite magazines exist, so you could realistically use 1 biopowder and never need any more.

• While the idea to add an extra capacity measurement to primary skill is interesting, it also ends up turning it into a... worse secondary skill. The only real difference being the primary skill has a cooldown instead of uses spam, does less damage (or no damage with 0 samples), can't boost its AoE, but also inflicts -50% movement speed.

• There's quite a lot of ascensions for increasing sample gain, perhaps too much. Worst example is having 3 ascensions, each for a specific sample's capacity. Max capacity isn't a strong stat usually anyway, so putting them all into a single ascension wouldn't be that powerful.

• Collecting Sense is interesting, but ultimately not all that useful unless you're not going to move to where enemies die, which is an easy task to acomplish. Could use something extra.

• Aside from sample capacity, both skills only have 3 ascensions for using them, which isn't many at all. Most of them also have pretty raw damage increases too. Perhaps you could lean more into bonuses based on samples?

• Enhanced Pollen doesn't need to give +150/300/450% base damage instead of the common +100/200/300%, since it's entirely focused on damage and has no utility to compensate for.

• On the same note as Enhanced Pollen, Enhanced Toxins is weaker than the common bonus, despite the primary skill dealing less damage because it has a utility component.

• The Bioweapon ascensions, the blessings and the talents are all good. Nice variety of effects.

[echo vine]

Thanks for the feedback

[dawn ledge]

If a decay-focused character exists then it might replace my Crown Prince build...maybe

[echo vine]

Maybe should of specified that Noxious Illness is Damage per second

[dawn ledge]

So its not like Miasma?

[echo vine]

It's essentially a permanent miasma

[dawn ledge]

Could be nice, for some reason I want that character to be a rat

...skaven jokes may or may not be made...

[subtle path]

Can weapons in the vault be imprinted and then shared to someone else to stash in the vault?

[echo vine]

Got some new concepts for a character

Arrow Quiver: Holds up to 3 arrows, shared between use of the Primary and Secondary Skill.
Recharges 1 arrow every 8 seconds.

Primary: Phantom Arrow (No cooldown)
Hold the Primary Skill button to charge up a ghastly arrow. +15% Lucky Shot Chance for each charging second(max of 60%)
Fire a ghastly arrow that darts forward, hitting enemies for 800 dmg. The arrow inherits Lucky Shot bonuses from the currently held weapon and Occult Scrolls.

Secondary: Ghostly Mark
Use an arrow and consume all secondary skill charges to fire an marked arrow at an enemy
Fire a smaller arrow at an enemy, dealing 400 DMG and marking them with Hunter's Mark. +3% Lucky Shot to enemies within 6 meters of the mark for each secondary skill consumed.

Trying a character that focuses on building lucky shot and enhancing their skills through it

Might be too narrow to design an entire hero off of though

[dawn ledge]

It kinda is, they would be closer to that of a sniper

unless you make them a critical hit class, but that might overlap with Lei Luo

[echo vine]

The character is meant to be another sniper-ranged character

Just has to have a different focus other than crits

[echo vine]

Although that's kind of difficult with snipers

Maybe ascensions that makes more weapons usable at longer range

Such as through accuracy increases or homing shots

[echo vine]

How actually severe is effective range?

An ascension that increases or even eliminates effective range could be a good idea

[thorny parcel]

At a certain point your damage starts dropping, then the projectile disappears entirely.

[echo vine]

I assume it's multiplicative?

[thorny parcel]

Yes.

[echo vine]

A character that can make anything usable at longer ranges sounds interesting

[thorny parcel]

Accuracy would also be needed then.

[echo vine]

Imagine how fun sniping stuff with a shotgun would be

Depends on how strong the accuracy increase is though

So far, this character has heavy emphasis on Lucky shots and making any weapon a sniper

[thorny parcel]

About +200% accuracy makes Illusion nearly pinpoint, for example.

[echo vine]

Huh, thanks for the reference

Might need to make the skills more synergistic

What do you think of them?

[thorny parcel]

I know they're supposed to be for hard-hitting sniping stuff, but the skills sound like they'd leave the hero extremely vulnerable to groups.

Particularly Ghostly Mark, which is normally spammable with 3-8 starting capacity. However that's reduced to 3 with the whole arrow thing, minus any primary skill uses.

[echo vine]

Yep, the actual charges act instead as a sort of proper charging mechanic

There'd be ways through ascension to have a larger capacity or charge speed

[thorny parcel]

Also the numbers may need tweaking as they sound weak, but that's not more important than the mechanics behind it.

[echo vine]

Usually I don't bother with actual numbers

I wanted arrow recovery rate to be affected by skill cooldown, but there aren't really that many scrolls that affect that

Or things like Terminal Lucidity granting an arrow instead of a primary stack

I'm thinking of how to manage groups

Tiger has trouble with groups as well, but has ascension that make them easier to manage

[thorny parcel]

Tiger can also hit 3 enemies and use their secondary 8 times, by default.

24 at max capacity, compared to 3 with this idea.

[echo vine]

Secondary skill is also pretty weak without fully speccing into it

Unless you have the chaining ascension, it won't replace regular weapon shots

[thorny parcel]

That applies to most skills.

The ones that don't count either affect weapon damage, or have a utility that makes them still worth using.

[echo vine]

Then it doesn't really help him with groups

At least on higher difficulties

[thorny parcel]

It's still sometimes enough to deal with the swarms of really weak enemies.

[echo vine]

I'm seeing the trouble now

I feel like simply adding an AoE is boring

[thorny parcel]

A classic and painful example are Bombers in act 1.

Don't take them out, they self-destruct.

With this idea, sucks to be you if there are 4 or more of them.

[echo vine]

I guess all the hero's secondary skills do add a way to deal with those types of enemies, as they're either an AoE or summon multiples copies to take them out

At least on lower difficulties

On higher difficulties, they scale so hard that they still take several hits to kill

Perhaps the Ghostly Mark could have a pulsing effect instead of marking a specific enemy

Or maybe I need to do away with the whole quiver idea and use the standard system

[thorny parcel]

I once made a hero suggestion who had a secondary skill that was also single target. I got around the limitation by also giving it a faster casting animation and a high chance to recover uses spent.

[echo vine]

Well. It has the Hunter's mark that gives extra Lucky Shot to nearby enemies

But I assume that isn't enough to deal with groups without the appropriate weapon

[thorny parcel]

More damage doesn't help if you've run out of things to shoot with.

[echo vine]

Arrow Recovery could use an additional way to recover arrows

One problem is im.looking at this as if it were higher difficulties

A regular unspecced secondary can kill mini-type enemies in lower difficulties, but not higher ones

I guess it's the blessing's job to make it possible

Perhaps primary could simply explode

Each charging second could add a larger AoE on impact

That's still really slow though

Seems like it needs a restructure

I really do like the mark that Ghostly mark adds though

Encourages keeping a specific enemy alive while taking out everything around it

I love this stuff

[proven sage]

with Warlike maxed, wildhunt is fully slug

[last vine]

both the abilities are almost the same

[echo vine]

Fair point

[dawn ledge]

I was thinking of something like a swarm mechanic for something

like the secondary ability inputs markets on a target and the primary one sends out swarms for a period of time to do damage

part of it can be whether it adds elemental effects, quantity/duration management, and so on

[uneven vessel]

The 2nd character definitely has a swarm or bullet hell vibe

Like Tao

[dawn ledge]

Well I was kinda thinking of it more like a combination of Tao and Nona

Its an entity that has its own resources to manage via the secondary and primary

gameplay wise it kinda takes after an (admittingly not so well executed game like Drone Swarm

[echo vine]

I'm excited to see what the devs have built for the next two dlc characters

I feel like there isn't a lot of design space or mechanics that haven't already been built around

[dawn ledge]

Only thing that I can think of that's kinda left is a corrosion-centric character

[last vine]

bleed character?

[dawn ledge]

Technically that would be crown prince miasma builds

Jokes aside, how would you make bleed good?

[winged vine]

Easy. Wolf character. Passive from skill tree that all damage he deals also inflicts bleed. Give him a leap ability similar to bird but instead of aoe he's a single target damage. Think hunting prey type thing. Another passive is he heals for 10% of all bleed damage he deals. Would be legendary to have a bleed focused character. Could even have his damage increase per enemy that has a bleed stack. Done.

[last vine]

E should be a charge and bite

how do you make a Q that isnt cleave or punch

[winged vine]

I dunno anything could work on this game. An aoe bloodlust buff that grants yourself and all allies within range to get a 10% damage buff that can stack or something

[thorny parcel]

There's a surprising amount of stuff that they could still do that would be unique.

[dawn ledge]

We'll see what they do

[winged vine]

Yeah I'm hype. 2 new characters and a bunch of other new stuff in 4-12 weeks. I'm excited.

[snow vector]

Guys, if I have 1 max hp with ethereal feline do I take 0.25dmg per hit?

[thorny parcel]

Minimum of 1 damage per hit.

[snow vector]

thanks, that is still pretty good

[thorny parcel]

Not if you've got 1 max HP. You're still dying in 1 hit.

And if you're assuming that your Shield/Armor will protect you, nope. It factors that in too.

Maximum of 25% of your max HP and Shield/Armor.

[uneven vessel]

as Altanna said, the least you can take is 1 damage, so if you only had 1 HP then you will die

[last vine]

It's not good, because the only way you would take 1 damage per hit would be to have 4 or less hp and shield combined

it counts both hp and shield

[snow vector]

oh :( i need to learn how to read

[last vine]

Just remember:
Health/HP = Green bar
Shield = Blue bar
Armor = Yellow bar
Total HP = Health+Shield or Armor

Armor is only for bird so you don't need to worry about it if not playing bird

[snow vector]

I thought total hp was max hp not hp + shield

[last vine]

wow.

[snow vector]

nothing I know about the game is relevant tho lol this was 1.5 years ago

[uneven vessel]

Nah, just remember it's your health and shield/armor :)

[winter geyser]

anyone know what that fist symbol over enemy is from that revives them after being in ball state after death

kinda pissing me off that i dont even know where it's from and can't check

it's just randomly there for some reason, i know it's probably not from the scrolls i took on the safe zone because first scene they didnt have it

[jagged dune]

I'm having issues with builds for dog I know there's atomic dog but what other builds are there same for monkey and fox

I've been playing them but it doesn't seem to go anywhere

I heard foxs main ability was good but it was kinda depressing when I tried it unless I did something wrong

[thorny parcel]

Each hero page has some builds.
https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Hero

[jagged dune]

nice thanks

[dawn ledge]

Ahh monkey... I do question an idea that can be done with it but I fear it might be too broken

Would Xing Zhe being able to take traits from the weapons put in the "backup weapon" section of the slots be broken?

[echo vine]

Got some weapon concepts

Expanding Smog:
Corrosion SMG, Magezine: 48, CritX: 2.5, Reload Time: 2, Elemental Effect Chance: 5%

Projectiles will explode upon hitting enemies. The more times an enemy is hit repeatedly, the larger the AoE(up to +2m, +0.2m per shot, base AoE 1m)

Exclusive Inscriptions:
Gradually increase Lucky Shot Chance as the AoE grows on an enemy(maximum of +50%). +20% Lucky Shot Chance against enemies in Decay Effect.
+2m base AoE. Maximum-sized explosions leave a cloud of smog that deals damage and gurantees Decay Effect for enemies within.

Berserk Gauntlet:
Normal Injector, Magezine: 60, CritX: 2, Reload Time: 2, Elemental Effect Chance: 8%

Maintaining aim near the center of an enemy will make them enter an enhanced manipulation state with additional damage and attack speed.
Weapon Skill: Absorb the anger of all enemies in the manipulation state to enhance total weapon damage by 15%(maximum of +60%) for 10 seconds.

Exclusive Inscriptions:
Crits will now trigger the enhanced manipulation state. The higher the critx, the shorter duration of crits needed.

[thorny parcel]

At this point I'm gonna direct you to either #idea-discussion or #1006489853648715786.

Idea Discussions are for talking about ideas that aren't fully complete yet. Game Suggestions is where you can properly post suggestions.

[echo vine]

Ah, gotcha

[winter geyser]

my game suddenly keeps crashing for some reason after some minutes into the run

does anyone else?

i've verified everything and even reinstalled

no luck

if there's a crash log idk where it is

[last vine]

it's the task for skill damage

[winter geyser]

yeah i found out the hard way lol

anyway, i thought the crash is related to me using bird + turret but i used turtle and still crash

it's completely unplayable now

[proud needle]

#1060159100006178816 then please

Wow
That got send only now

thanks Discord ( or rather my phone dying ...)

But that sounds very ultra specific

[honest grail]

same here right now :/

[winged vine]

Wow that's weird yeah I just had a full crash back to desktop for the first time in 1000 hours of this game too. Bizarre

[patent swan]

can spore damage be converted?

[thorny parcel]

Converted to what?

[uneven vessel]

I'm gonna assume other types of damage...?

In which case, nah

It's just raw weapon damage

[harsh wagon]

raw raw raw

[last vine]

does fish or bear paw always double projectiles but have a chance to halve damage or is it all one thing

like does it have a chance to both double projectiles and halve damage at the same time?

or just a chance to halve damage

[uneven vessel]

I think it's just each projectile has a 100%-3.5% chance to hit twice with -50% total damage

[vague obsidian]

Why dont dev put the lower percentage before the bigger one. Make it 3,5% - 100%
Much easier to read.

[uneven vessel]

I don't see much of a difference reading it, probably because I'm crazy

[gusty mountain]

Because the chance reduces per projectile.

[uneven vessel]

Yeah

Old FOBW was op

Like, more op than it currently is

[thorny parcel]

Because it makes no sense mathematically.

It would be saying "You start with 3.5% chance, but lose 100% chance for every projectile you have".

[marsh silo]

whens the next update?

[dawn ledge]

sometime before fall

at least that's what can be assumed by "Quarter 2"

[uneven vessel]

the earliest we will see the next update is July

[subtle path]

For the achievement back-to-back, can it be done on Boundless Journey, or does it have to be Endless Journey?

[thorny parcel]

Endless Journey only.

[subtle path]

Boooo

[thorny parcel]

Don't like it? Don't go for it.

[last vine]

come on

theres so many busted builds

if you dont wanna try just use nona or something

[subtle path]

Oh I'm not overly concerned about getting it, I just wanted to stack it up with other achievements for specific characters, like blocking 500 with aspis

[subtle path]

Who pissed in your cereal

[last vine]

ah

[last vine]

i did

[subtle path]

lmao

[last vine]

im a proud cereal pisser

[subtle path]

So second achieve question - I'm missing the frame for crown prince. I can get the energy orb build consistently, but elites tend to die before 10 seconds even on R9

Any advice for that one?

[thorny parcel]

A history of people who think hard things should be made easier.

[last vine]

space out orbs

dont get damage bonuses

if they die too fast

cdr and freeze duration

and splinter orb if you arent already

[subtle path]

Yeah I'll look to trim back the damage on it somehow. I tried to avoid damage scrolls, but probably failed to space the orbs out correctly. I space them out about 1.5 seconds or so? And yeah spinter orb definitely.

[last vine]

i think 1.5 seconds is fine you just need more freeze duration

[subtle path]

Aight cool, I'll be a bit more carful with it

[uneven vessel]

No wonder my honey nut cornflakes tasted a bit funny the other day...

[subtle path]

Not sure how I gave off that vibe, if "booo" was all it took lmao. Feel better man, I have faith you'll be less jaded.

[last vine]

is this a nitro feature

[last vine]

isnt it more like easy things being made easier

[uneven vessel]

That's my status, this a new UI feature there? Looks a little different

[thorny parcel]

You sounded like you were ready to start complaining. Jumpy on my part, but given what this game has become, almost justified.

[thorny parcel]

No actually.

When it was first added, R7 (and later R8) would kick your ass, and you had no win buttons to pick at the start to save you.

[last vine]

what if r10 removes blessings

would be finally hard

or talents maybe

like hero specific

some of the outrageous buffs being gone atleast

[thorny parcel]

Probably would, but said restriction would immediately get removed next update. It's how the devs work right now.

Anything that cannot simply be curbstomped with the appropriate near-guaranteed build is removed.

[languid fulcrum]

How do I get rid of this?

[solar oyster]

What is the estimated release month of the quarter 3 dlc?

[vague obsidian]

quarter 3 start at July

3 months is 1 quarter of a year

[winged vine]

It'll likely be released by august

26/04 is when S2 came out. So probs around 20th or July makes sense.

[hazy solstice]

Yo guys is Li good?

[uneven vessel]

absolutely! you can either rain meteors on everything or throw a giant firey fox spirit and obliterate with both! :>

[hazy solstice]

Tysmm

[hazy solstice]

So how's the damage

[uneven vessel]

Her Primary can deal millions with the right ascensions and scrolls pretty quick!
Her Meteors can be high damaging and very quick with the right stuff too!

https://tenor.com/view/gunfire-reborn-li-victory-wink-pose-gif-4810857561631721286

[thorny parcel]

I'll put it this way. If your primary skill isn't one-shotting everything except bosses (and sometimes those too), you've had bad luck.

[hazy solstice]

Thank you so much, I needed these answers

[uneven vessel]

^ pretty much XD

[uneven vessel]

you are very welcome! :3

[dawn ledge]

Almost every character can end up getting a pretty broken build

but that does leave the question, who is the most "fair"?

Or probably, who is the weakest hero?

[uneven vessel]

Qing Yan

everyone else's skills, DPS and whatnot just outclass him

He is still fun to play with tho! however he is probably the most "fair" in this scenario

[dawn ledge]

Really? the Turtle(that is what he is, right?) outdoes him?

[uneven vessel]

Qian Sui does in fact, yeeee

as his fists can become rapid

and more so quicker and can output hits quicker

[dawn ledge]

I guess so, I never really had the best of experiences with those two so I wouldn't know

[uneven vessel]

You can most definitely have fun with them! but most will just outclass them
I am still not 100% certain where I would have Qian Sui, I need to play him more

but I already have my top 3 best characters XD

[dawn ledge]

Well I guess I prefer the use of Crown Prince, if I get one of 2 scrolls early on my build is essentially set with him

but of course its RNG dependant if I even get it, it makes me wish there was a bizarre dream add-on

[thorny parcel]

Qian Sui is probably somewhere just above Qing Yan, as he suffers from a similar lack of range which slows down kills.

Even more so since his rework, because now he's got no solid build that involves actually firing weapons.

[uneven vessel]

funnily enough crown prince is in my top 3, hard debate in whether he is 2nd or 3rd in my opinion XD

[uneven vessel]

so probably 2nd worst then lol

[thorny parcel]

You didn't think he was just going to stand there and let you shoot him without retaliation, did you?

[thorny parcel]

The shots aim slightly randomly and take time to travel.

So it's entirely possible for it to be "unavoidable" if you're too close and/or the shots randomly keep targeting where you're moving, if you don't react accordingly to either problem.

[plain forum]

I really wanna buy this game

But hearing how bad the ps5 port has been is a bit worrying

Hmm

[uneven vessel]

If you're buying it through console, be prepared to play a seriously outdated version :(

If you get it through mobile then you'll be mostly up to date
PC gets updates immediately when it gets the green light!

[plain forum]

I still have way too much ptsd from the risk of rain PlayStation port

[uneven vessel]

sadly 505 games is a really really awful publishing studio :(
(Idk if Risk of Rain is published by 505 games)

[plain forum]

Do we know why they were chosen in the first place?

Oh wait oops I misunderstood

I thought the devs specifically hired these guys to make the port

[thorny parcel]

If I recall correctly, it was something about having worked with 505 Games before, when they didn't screw things up.

So it seemed a safe bet.

[reef wigeon]

i cant deal damage with owl

can anybody help

[uneven vessel]

take ascensions that build the cards and get scrolls that directly benefit skill DMG :)

[reef wigeon]

oh

okay

thanks again

[uneven vessel]

no worries! :)

[reef wigeon]

Also, what happens when the bar below your ultimate is gray

[uneven vessel]

it is an impure astrohouse

[reef wigeon]

what happens when its impure

[uneven vessel]

iirc it is just your primary skill as normal or could be that it is weake I forgor

however blue is normal primary skill, purple is 1 blast then followed by a big blast
yellow means it will constantly blast strikes in the targeted area!@reef wigeon

[reef wigeon]

thanks for informations I really needed it

[uneven vessel]

you are very welcome!

[proud needle]

it is as Altanna said , 505 was specifically called in as the studio had positive experience working with them on another title before.

That was before 505 decided to be absolute garbage at their job.
For future projects they will now avoid 505 and the struggle to get the game back is real

[thorny parcel]

In case you want to start over.

[proud needle]

Or
You share your PC and account and still want to have YOUR game

[last vine]

cards build is easiest
primary build is stronger imo
weapon build can be strong but is hardest to pull off

[last vine]

impure is normal. blue is slightly more damage. purple is more damage + a second bigger hit. gold/red is more damage, a second bigger hit, and repeated hits in a large area

[uneven vessel]

Pretty much yeeee
I just go for cards whenever I play Zi Xiao

[last vine]

i like primary more

rougher at the start

amazing later

weapon is fun when the game gives you good weapons

[uneven vessel]

I just love destroying everything with cards lol

[last vine]

spiritual assault gluttony should be buffed ngl

dies very fast

what would deal literally 0 damage during his suck ability can just delete him in spiritual assault

[uneven vessel]

Yeah you can obliterate him quick

It would have been cool if they made an alternate to spiritual assault which is pretty much endless survival

However make it that players don't be immortal

[thorny parcel]

That's because SA has no Mysterious Jokul or R9 enemy bonuses.

[last vine]

ah

i wish spiritual assault got an update that isnt making it easier

[thorny parcel]

That being said, it's not like you can't melt him in Reincarnation anyway. Only thing that might stop you is the ridiculous shield during the Devour attack.

[uneven vessel]

Oh you can eventually haha

Well, sorta

[thorny parcel]

I did say "might".

[uneven vessel]

Yeah I know, was just sayin

You can overscale to the point you can hurt him during his sucking attack

It'll force invincibility for his next phase

You used to be able to instantly skip everything and beat him with the Piercing Flame bug with Xing Zhe!

[thorny parcel]

Elite Mandrill Cavalry it's justified (in my opinion). They're the great equalizer against absurd player power.

[dawn ledge]

sometimes some builds still invalidate the cavalry

...like the Owl

I think the Owl is more RNG reliant on the goblets rather than scrolls itself which is amusing to me

[thorny parcel]

Sure some builds do that. But the Elite Mandrill Cavalry is there for many other builds, lying in wait and watching as they one-shot everything else until it ambushes them with a punch to the face, shouting "Big damage and multiplayer revive spam isn't the only thing you need in this game!"

The lethally high damage and extremely fast speed to close in on people means that, unless you're so powerful you disintegrate everything, he'll be in your face and grinding you to dust if you just stand there with no plan.

That's one option. The other is actually learning how to fight your enemy.

What are they vulnerable to? What advantages can you take before and during the fight? Stuff that you don't need to genuinely learn against most other enemies.

[dawn ledge]

Well, its also Crown Prince, he ain't going anywhere...

you just gotta out-DPS them I take it

[last vine]

ngl i think owl should get some goblet rerolling stuff

a hero talent

[thorny parcel]

You're assuming Cat is screwed because he can't move away from melee enemies.

Then you realize he's got the most consistent sources of slowing the enemy in the game.

[thorny parcel]

You can take 4 hits that would kill you, but still survive.

[uneven vessel]

Crown Prince can turn so unfair so quick

[uneven vessel]

Everyone in the game can get insane at the jokul, Ao Bai is definitely very fun with his atomic bombs! :)

Just giving an example :)

Lots of ways to play with everyone!

In terms of weapons I run Rainbow and Argus (on the left hand)

[thorny parcel]

No, just his own from what I know.

[uneven vessel]

nope, he can only reroll ones he owns!

[thorny parcel]

Upgrading is automatic. It merely makes your scrolls pretend to be higher rarity for drawing astroaspects.

Though you can choose a style for which scrolls get upgraded first.

[uneven vessel]

You can check how many resets you have in the scrolls section, everytime you gain an ascension you will earn 2 more resets!

[thorny parcel]

It's actually 1 more reset per ascension.

2 with Variable Scrolls blessing.

[uneven vessel]

Thought I was missing something lol

[thorny parcel]

You do get 2 upgrades though.

[uneven vessel]

However you don't get more reset attempts when swapping ascensions in boundless and endless

[thorny parcel]

Though you do get more reset attempts when using that Reascend scroll.

[uneven vessel]

^

[thorny parcel]

Yes, for drawing astroaspects.

Still acts like a rare scroll for everything else.

[thorny parcel]

Yep. Biggest crutch in the game.

Can almost single-handedly get you to Reincarnation difficulty.

[thorny parcel]

Nah, it still damages you.

It's damage is 15% of your current HP and Shield/Armor.

It'll only do 0 damage if you're almost dead.

Do you also have Lightless Shield or Phantom Skin?

Because it triggers those.

That's why.

Well you're making yourself vulnerable to enemies hitting you, so I wouldn't say that.

It means they'll deal more damage thanks to Perfect Deck.

Once you reach that point, you either easily win the run, or some enemy that got the good RNG will blindside you, killing you instantly.

[drifting pewter]

Im almost at 100 hours played and I still don't understand dog dual wield build. Been trying for the last couple of runs to do damage with it but I feel like I dont know what guns to look for and what to look for in guns

Can somebody help me?

[thorny parcel]

That's standard gameplay on Reincarnation.

Especially for Owl, and especially for cards.

[uneven vessel]

Zi Xiao pretty much has the 2nd best DPS in the game tbh lol

Interdependent fortunes

So when you take scrolls from that, the enemy will randomly choose a scroll and use it (even cursed ones)

In desert they will have 1-2 scrolls
Fjord they'll have 3-4 scrolls
Jokul they'll have 5-6

Of course if you enabled it!

[thorny parcel]

1-3, 2-4 and 3-5.

[uneven vessel]

Ostrich Rider
Decay Driver
Abnormal Speed
Strategic advantage
Resolut
Stuff like that :)

[uneven vessel]

Whoops haha
I usually limit myself on what scrolls to take

Mhm, when you take them, enemies will either have the same effect with the scroll or it will be a bit different for them either because it would be too OP or it can't work

So strategic advantage for enemies they get 40% movement speed after doing an attack :)

[thorny parcel]

With a few exceptions, like how Shrine of Recovery is too OP anyway because of the change.

Or Spirit Feline is exactly the same as what players get, which forces one-shot builds to kill every enemy with the scroll in 8 hits instead.

[uneven vessel]

Mhm!

So really it boils down to "is it worth it?" When you see it

I quite literally will only take 3 scrolls at max and they would only be

Extravagant Consumption
Coin Shot
Deadly Curse
Moldy Bun

Occasionally Penetration bullet

Enhanced occult scrolls are your scrolls but better
It usually will make the stats stronger, remove the downsides or add something new to it

Example
Paranormality: HP is set to 1 but shield/armor is doubled

Enhanced Paranormality: Shield/Armor is doubled

[thorny parcel]

If it's upgrading a scroll, you get the enhanced version of only that scroll.

It'll usually say when you would get a random scroll.

By default, no.

With Endless Journey enabled, 60 plus any cursed scrolls.

No. Only a single run can be saved at any time.

Maybe.

[uneven vessel]

@royal plinth you can make save files for gunfire reborn up to 3

[vague obsidian]

I can make 5 and more before

[uneven vessel]

Oh? I've only been able to have 3 active I mean, I have made lots myself

[thorny parcel]

Yes, though you can find the folder with your main save and just... copy the save, with different names for each.

Effectively duplicating your progress.

[uneven vessel]

@fossil lantern @glass halo kinda need to hang up bc gotta get sorted for the day :(

[glass halo]

it's fine sweetie

[uneven vessel]

[glass halo]

w<

[uneven vessel]

[glass halo]

what do you think i should enhance?

[uneven vessel]

Either Final Judgement, ELemental Relic, Reasonable Luck, Surprise Bonus, Reasonable Exclusive or Enduring Caster :3

I am going out shortly then when I get home I am attemptinf Endless with Crown Prince again XD

[glass halo]

okie haha

i trying it for the second time haha

[uneven vessel]

which one? :0

[glass halo]

R9 endless run

[uneven vessel]

oh I see

I am gonna when I get home ina couple hours

[glass halo]

i have moldy bun which curses them and can spawn with 50% health

maybe final judgement in this case

[uneven vessel]

well, between 50-90% :3

if you take deadly curse it will lower them even further

[glass halo]

yeah haha

i have this too

that's what they have

[uneven vessel]

try and limit yourself to 3 next time :3

[glass halo]

what do you mean?

[uneven vessel]

bc at 4 they will have between 3-4 so sometimes they wont have one of them

if you take at most 3 then they are always guaranteed to have those 3 later on :3

[glass halo]

ooh okay

the elemental torment was my first haha

[uneven vessel]

I sees

[glass halo]

but instead of it the other 3 are pretty good

i got rid of the fragile body for myself so only then get de debuff

which is very nice

[uneven vessel]

I usually only ever take

Extravagant Consumption
Coin Shot
Moldy Bun
Deadly Curse

Ocassionally Penetration Bullet
(Ofc I only take 3 of the 5 I listed)

[glass halo]

oh

you don't like the fragile body?

[uneven vessel]

I will take it if I dont get any of the others

but you can take it if you would like!

[glass halo]

oh right

well

it seems to work nice with the ones that lowers their health

[uneven vessel]

mhm!

[glass halo]

cause they will take more damage

at least 10% guarantee

[uneven vessel]

they can take up to 25% more DMG Taken :3

[glass halo]

yeah haha

by the way

[uneven vessel]

[glass halo]

do you have any tips for using the radioactive glove

cause i struggle with having to click every time to reset the venom thingy

[uneven vessel]

For that you just have to try your best with timing, try and get the rhythm in your head :)

[glass halo]

this thing makes me don't focus much on the game 🥲

[uneven vessel]

try and make a rhythm in your head :)

[glass halo]

yeah i get that i'm just saying that it distract me a lot

-<

[uneven vessel]

also you definitely wanna take one that has 10% RoF for every crit hit >w<

[glass halo]

ooh

right

[uneven vessel]

becomes an ultra laser XD

[glass halo]

i'm gonna switch my rainbow by one when i get that

[uneven vessel]

and ofc get exclusive inscriptions too!
I have a really good glove thankfully

[uneven vessel]

if your damage scales enough then you should use rainbow :)

[glass halo]

actually i just have this glove

[uneven vessel]

awe

[glass halo]

my rainbow has this

[uneven vessel]

try and get a glove with the inscription I said along with exclusives

[glass halo]

yep

[uneven vessel]

do the same for the glove if you can!

[glass halo]

i'm only with the rainbow cause of the lucky shot thingy

[uneven vessel]

if you get a rainbow with the exclusive inscription that allows you to shoot 2 beams at once, take it X3

[glass halo]

ookie

note that

oh by the way

does this affect the lucky shot thingy?

[uneven vessel]

also do you know which spore gun to use in your offhand? :)

[glass halo]

or it still works?

[uneven vessel]

I think it still works!

[glass halo]

uuh, i'm actually using argus

is there some better?

[uneven vessel]

you can use Argus or Wild Hunt, whichever!

[glass halo]

ooh right

[uneven vessel]

but if you have a spirit argus then that is a good weapon for bosses!

[glass halo]

what does the spirit argus do?

[glass halo]

like a primary weapon?

[uneven vessel]

it's an argus with the spirit exclusive inscription :)

when you crit with the spirit argus, it will make a spirit and deal true damage to enemies you crit with the gun!

it can be bananas OP! XD

since true damage ignores the damage cap!

[glass halo]

oooh

this thingy?

[uneven vessel]

yep!

[glass halo]

oh my

true damage sounds beautiful

[uneven vessel]

I have a boundless crown prince rn and I DELETE bosses with my spirit argus XD

[glass halo]

oh my

maybe you can show me later

you got me curious

w<

i have almost all of them

and this is looking good too

unfortunately game didn't gave me elemental rage 😦

[uneven vessel]

I sure can!

[glass halo]

oh

look what i have in my arsenal

lol

not sure when i got this

but here it is

[reef wigeon]

i cant play nona
anybody help
my robot is too weak after 3. area

@anyone

[glass halo]

oh

what mode are you playing?

[uneven vessel]

You should probably start with picking "pair of us" as your first blessing if you have reincarnation unlocked
And it also boils down to getting scrolls that benefit your skills/primary and getting lucky with ascensions

Hope this helps ❤️

[reef wigeon]

thanks

[last vine]

get shoulder missile enhancement for mech

its in missile tree

it is very op

[reef wigeon]

thanks

[last vine]

its the one that makes the mech shoot out shoulder cannon missiles every few seconds and when you redeploy

[glass halo]

yep i know

what i was talking is that it distracts me a lot haha

maybe cause of ADHD

[fossil lantern]

there is an option to mute them, by pressing the weapon mode switch button.

[delicate basin]

anyone have a link to a good tao build?

[echo vine]

There's a builds section at the bottom of her wiki page https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Tao

[earnest geode]

does anyone know why my save files are saying they are corrupted ?

[earnest geode]

i even imported a working save file and it is still saying it is corrupted

[glass halo]

i don't know

have you tried creating another save, loading, closing the game and then overwritting it with your save to see if it works?

[echo vine]

Yep, it transforms into Strike Mode to come revive you

[lime garnet]

depends how late into the run you are

[uneven vessel]

In Jokul they go to +10 and in endless/boundless they grow with the level of dropped guns

[lime garnet]

skill

[echo vine]

Don't think so

[uneven vessel]

Makes it that your gun doesn't get lost when you die :)

Mhm

[echo vine]

Really? didn't know that

[bronze lynx]

How do I switch between turret and strike mode on nona with a controller?

[echo vine]

You choose which one to replace

[glass halo]

holy

[echo vine]

Yes

Endless Journey?

[harsh wagon]

The timed one or the truly endless mode?

o, I can't remember if they put a cap to the scaling dmg resist of the enemies at some point xd

but it goes up to like 90% ish?

[glass halo]

that's endless mode before they buff it

[echo vine]

In Boundless Dream, there is no limit

In Endless Journey, up to 60 non-cursed scrolls

[last vine]

iron wing* strike wing is the bow that splits arrows

[harsh wagon]

Elite Calvary coming in hot

[last vine]

see for yourself

[proud needle]

Scorching Rounds Skin is the better reward IMO

[winged vine]

Laughs in illusion

[shrewd vortex]

What’s the most inscriptions possible on a single weapon

[winged vine]

6

7 with monkey

[shrewd vortex]

whats the strongest weapon for boss killing?

[last vine]

it entirely depends on your character

there is no "best weapon" really

[gusty mountain]

It should just restart the room.

Idk if that's a new change or bug. I haven't played multiplayer in a very long time.

[last vine]

hound feels like the middle child of mechanisms

datura deals damage

matrix is utility and buffing

hound is just there

matrix also deals insane early game damage if you get control mastery

[thorny parcel]

Hound for people that want the passive Arcane Ascensions, but don't like how it locks out quest progress if they use them again.

[uneven vessel]

Datura to an extent can become passive

But it is pretty limited to crown prince and tao

Unless there's someone else who can turn it entirely passive

[echo vine]

Bird kinda can with his Hero Core

[uneven vessel]

Qing Yan?

[echo vine]

Yep

[uneven vessel]

Ah I see!

I sadly don't play Qing Yan much

[echo vine]

I've started playing him a little more

His Matrix Hero Core makes Cleave builds hella fun

[uneven vessel]

Sounds good!

[teal lily]

i have discovered that extravagant consumption has a stack limit

[thorny parcel]

Well this is a computer program. Every integer has a limit. If they didn't, it would crash.

[teal lily]

makes me big sad

ive been working slowly over the past few months trying to get endless DR to 100% and just hit the limit for EC

[thorny parcel]

Enemy damage reduction also caps out before 100%.

And even if it didn't, you could still kill everything despite taking 0% damage.

[teal lily]

this makes me very sad

[orchid spire]

Who is the strongest to beat high reincarnation with?

[uneven vessel]

all of them can beat reincarnation with the right stuff tbh

[orchid spire]

yeah but like consistently

Im tryna find a new main since I havent played in a while and wanna try smth new

[uneven vessel]

alll of them can be consistent XD

[orchid spire]

Im trash tho

[uneven vessel]

I would help rn but I am sorta making a tier list for Endless Journey XD

[orchid spire]

gl with that

no clue what that is tho

[uneven vessel]

Endless Journey is the hardest mode in the game

[orchid spire]

Qlr

ALr

I cant tttype\

Does anyone have like a nona build guide

Like slightrng

[uneven vessel]

OMG IT HAPPENED AGAIN

[glass halo]

try playing Tao

[orchid spire]

I have like 100 plus hours on Tao

she was my first main

[orchid spire]

Fuck this stupid game

the fucking nona robot does not like targeting saucers

[thorny parcel]

I see you enjoy the idle build.

[orchid spire]

yeah but it i was like 3 minutes running around for the robot to take out the fing saucer. He fired like 3000 shoulder missles but never hits the saucer

gg

run over

[last vine]

you dont need a guide

just click orange and yellow and you win

[orchid spire]

kappa

saucers solo ornage and yellow

[thorny parcel]

Have you considered doing something about the saucers yourself?

Shooting them is usually a good start.

[orchid spire]

I couldnt kill them haha

I perma shot at them

they full heal

[uneven vessel]

then it seems your build wasnt strong enough I am afraid :(

[teal lily]

it is time for another!

[dawn ledge]

Looking at card owl, he kinda does make this game like playing Chain of Memories with a cheat engine

[blazing hearth]

Is this good?

[orchid spire]

Yeah i beat r9 today

I honestly dont know what to do next

Ive never played multiplayer outside of achievement farming with irls

I might try that

I can 1v4

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[thorny parcel]

If you're talking about Lone Wolf, that's not 1v4.

If you're talking about actual 4p multiplayer, fair enough.

[dawn ledge]

Not really

But Cursed scrolls do benefit him with his card system

[thorny parcel]

Definitely not that unless you like seeing your fortune disappear most of the time.

I'd say the fastest way would be getting Veteran, Sanguine Relic, Priced HP and any respawnable enemy for a couple hours.

Well, "fastest" is in copper-per-stage terms.

Beetles, desert coyotes, desert boars, exploding lantern spirits.

Elite Beetle - Summons infinite beetles.
Elite Hermit - Summons infinite coyotes.
Ichthyosaurus Offspring - Summons infinite boars (if you don't damage them too much)
Corrupt Monk - Summons infinite exploding lanterns.

Oh, Golem also counts too. Summons infinite rocks which count for some reason.

You don't need Paranormality or Flesh and Bones. Technically don't need Sanguine Relic either, it's just +50% effectiveness which is massive.

Priced HP, Veteran and respawnable enemies is the bare minimum.

For getting large amounts of copper before starting endless stages.

No.

None of the respawnable enemies do either.

Though technically they do drop 1 coin if you have Extra Surprise, but that's even slower than doing the Veteran thing.

[uneven vessel]

SLAP THE LIZARD!!!!!!!

[orchid spire]

I am talking about 4p multiplayer

But i live in europe so i cant find a single match :p

[uneven vessel]

it is more so matchmaking isnt the best

me personally I hate playing with randoms :(

[blazing hearth]

@uneven vessel What do you think of this rainbow?

[lime garnet]

mobile

[uneven vessel]

Decent rainbow, but try and look for a better one :)

[blazing hearth]

What would be the best inscriptions for the rainbow?

[uneven vessel]

for me, what works is RoF increases and the 2 beams inscription

[uneven vessel]

Guess which favourite little goober of mine is getting a high placement in my endless tier list?

[thorny parcel]

Hmmmmm...

Elemental Pulses.

[uneven vessel]

yeaaaaa.... sheer raw POWER of them

I didnt even hinder the enemy with Deadly Curse either, this build, elemental ring, ascension + fusion, they all did their job

I need to test elemental ring on other appropriate builds

I am keeping this run in particular as I am gonna turn it into a long term endless

Zi Xiao in a nutshell

he still doesn't hold a candle to 1st place, however he is definitely top 3 without any questions asked

to get the correct stacking scrolls, you will get at least one of them 75% of the time before and during endless, which is enough to give you a good push

that doesnt change the fact that 1st place absolutely out scales and DPS's everyone in the game AND has spiritual links allowing her to endlessly scale with enemies regardless of their stats

Zi Xiao is 90% a comfortable 2nd place and S tier on my list. However I am going to re run him myself to really pin point his time clearance

[uneven vessel]

not to mention she consistently keeps higher damage whereas everyone else struggles in the struggle phase
and infinite scaling is much more valuable as enemies constantly scale, meaning you endlessly keep up with them

Like I said, Zi Xiao is comfortably the top 3 without a doubt, but his DPS and scaling doesn't match Tao's. Rerolling and enhancing scrolls is a very valuable thing with Zi Xiao and can help you get setup quicker, however that isn't enough to compare to Tao's unbelievably broken DPS, Ascensions and Spiritual Links, as her damage soars much much higher, earlier and more consistently than everyone else as she is able to damage cap much faster and naturally push the damage cap further
and another thing on that: she can build up Extravagant consumption quicker than anyone else in the game thanks to the new stuff :p

[glass halo]

[uneven vessel]

Why cri??

[glass halo]

cri o' hapines

😄

[uneven vessel]

Oh XD

[supple sorrel]

what are best builds for each character for endless?

Ik that is super open ended, but what are some of the really strong ones? The insane dps ones that have you top of damage charts all day

also, any that are uber consistent, even if they are not as insance dps wise (still cracked enough to go ham in endless tho)

I am trying to put together builds and am highkey lost

[last vine]

primary build deleting everything is so fun

[last vine]

tao swords + gun cause it hits the most times

that is all that matters with the insane stacking scrolls and low damage cap

[blazing hearth]

@uneven vessel Is that okay with those inscriptions the rainbow?
Or should I replace an inscription normal with an inscription rare one like +50% lucky shot,but -50% stability

[uneven vessel]

dang that is a real good Rainbow!
I would say the only inscription I feel you should change is the mag size +60% one

[blazing hearth]

Ok then the rare inscription that I had said before of +50% lucky shot,but -50% stability would be the best option right?

[uneven vessel]

you could do that but I can also see maybe something like 65% total damage to enemies in elemental type, either works :)

[blazing hearth]

Well I guess I'll see which of the two to put

[frank nebula]

Ay yo is the Season thing exits on mobile ver too ?

[blazing hearth]

For now we just have to wait and see if the update comes out next month on Mobile

[blazing hearth]

@uneven vessel Ready, this is how the rainbow turned out, thanks for the help, then I will ask other things that have me in undoubt and maybe in a few days I will give you the radioactive gauntlet that you asked me if I could give you xD

[uneven vessel]

[frank nebula]

Damn there are new update next month ? Yes sir

[blazing hearth]

It's time to see on Fridays of this month of July if they say anything

Or maybe I'll release the new dlc on PC first

[frank nebula]

Ok bro thanks for the information

[blazing hearth]

[white spindle]

Looking forward to it

[winged vine]

Theoretically should be 3 weeks and 3 days away. Would line up with season 2 launch.

Season 3 launch will have new weapons, enemies, season mechanic, alternate act 2 and DLC with 2 new heroes and weapons. Hyped.

[vague obsidian]

[hidden swan]

I think we might also get new occult scrolls too

For season 3

[winged vine]

Yes you're right. Gonna be massive can't wait.

[white spindle]

Prediction on what kind of character will it be? will it be a new armor character?

[winged vine]

I'm hoping a wolf character with a bleed/lifesteal mechanic.

[hidden swan]

I’m think a wolf of ice abilities kind of like pole and a deer lady that has a focus on some sort of lifesteal

[frank nebula]

How about a character can slap peoples

[white spindle]

green bird slaps people.

[frank nebula]

Oh right i forgot he exit 💀

[solid summit]

kinda looks like a dragon and a ram

[frank nebula]

How about a character can grab peoples and throw them away?

[solid summit]

it'd be interesting

[frank nebula]

I know

And that character will be fighter/melee

[uneven vessel]

I genuinely thought I was going mad at one point... but today I just figured out that Elemental Rings can go to M damage/scale infinitely with the correct arcane ascensions
you could confuse this for miasma ticks, however in the 2nd pic you can notice how the miasma ticks are not reaching that damage and in the first pic, the rings just triggered with the M number appearing
sorry it is hard to see the M number, a lot of damage ticks
(I still need to test this, as it is 90% the blade wave triggering this from the rings, and if it the stats are a direct copy and paste from poisonous ghost, then damage could not be consistent with all enemy types, yet still deal a lotta damage)

[echo tinsel]

Hey so do we have any information on when we might be getting S3/Next DLC?

[uneven vessel]

gonna say this to every other person who asked... XD
DLCs will be revealed in #game-announcements when they are ready to announce info or any release for them! :)
so everyone will know at the same time :)

[echo tinsel]

Was just wondering but thanks for the info.

[uneven vessel]

no problem, just letting you know! XD
we get a lot of people asking XD

[thorny parcel]

S3 comes in Q3. EZ.

[uneven vessel]

[blazing hearth]

Of these 4 weapons with those inscriptions, which one is the best for spores?
Fierce hell,Multiple hell,Fierce argus,Multiple argus

[last vine]

multiple argus

[thorny parcel]

In this case, it's actually Fierce Hell for non-endless.

Multiple Hell for endless.

Hell's exclusive makes it better than Argus, and in endless Hell gives more projectiles too, which is the important part for more spore hits.

[blazing hearth]

Perfect, thank you very much

[blazing hearth]

@uneven vessel I have a question, I don't know whether to keep the rare inscription of +50% lucky shot, -50% stability or put the exclusive inscription of +65% total damage to enemies in elemental type or that exclusive inscription of the radioactive gauntlet of the Mobile version +2m extra attack range of enhanced laser and refract the laser to 1 extra enemy

[uneven vessel]

Probably the total damage

[blazing hearth]

Ok thank you very much

[proven sage]

total is always better

[thorny parcel]

Well... almost always.

+100% non-total is more than +90% total if you have no other non-total bonuses, for example.

[proven sage]

talents

[uneven vessel]

^^^

[brittle fable]

Hey guys, I have a question with the scroll "Rock-Hard Determination." It says "+50% DMG while being stationary. (Gradually decreases to 0% over 4s)", but it means it's 50% damage when we stop and gradually decrease in 4sec, or it's 50% DMG when we stop and when we move, it's gradually decrease to 0% in 4sec ? With a friend, we don't know which one is correct, so anybody else can respond to that, please?

[sullen lava]

For me it decrease when you move

[thorny parcel]

Decreases when you move.

[brittle fable]

@thorny parcel thanks for your response

[blazing hearth]

@uneven vessel Done 🙂

[uneven vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/jewelpet-ruby-tail-wag-in-love-daydreaming-gif-9626443557111642162

[blazing hearth]

maybe on saturday or sunday i will give you the radioctive gauntlet for your help 🙂

[uneven vessel]

that would be soooooo appreciated!! :D

The tier list isn't gonna come out until the new characters are out, but I am still doing practice runs/build making with them!

[winged vine]

Hey @uneven vessel just wondering if you can help me out. I see you're a big advocate of bunny. I've got over 800 hours in the game and play almost daily, what weapon, scrolls, ascentioons, spiritual blessings you take for her and in what order do you prioritise them? She (and turtle) is the hardest character for me to make work. She just always feels week and behind the curve but I see your comments all saying she's great from the start and reaches massive potential quickly. Can you shed some light on why/how she is the best?

[uneven vessel]

Hi hiii! Since my tier list and guide isn't gonna be out until DLC 3, I can message you a very powerful Tao build when I get home! Just shoot me a DM and remind me in case I forget, got some stuff to do today!

And yeeee given her capabilities she is the best by miles, I'll DM you everything you need to know later!

[proven sage]

side note, Overconsumption goes hard on her

[uneven vessel]

Early game absolutely (in regards to endless)

[proven sage]

its to make the start better, sounded like it was needed

[uneven vessel]

Yeah since all important spiritual blessings are only needed late game, they don't do much at the start minus lone Wolf copycat

[winged vine]

Thanks man, looking forward to giving your suggestions a crack. I've never really played with copycat on any character because it doesn't really help in boss fights but I'll give that a try tomorrow.

[inland cliff]

is miasma good?

[uneven vessel]

y e s

[inland cliff]

ok

[thorny parcel]

Depends on the circumstances.

[uneven vessel]

Elemental Pulse miasma is absolutely mental

[thorny parcel]

If your damage sucks and/or you don't care about how long an enemy lives, it's great!

If your damage lets you quickly atomize enemies, Combustion is way better.

[whole thorn]

Does anyone have suggestions or tips on how I can farm soul essence efficiently? Any advice would be very appreciated 🙂

[lime garnet]

farm the highest difficulty you can consistently clear

dont spend essence on revives

going on reincarnation 1 with cat and painkiller (from lone wolf) is an easy clear

[uneven vessel]

"point blank"

[uneven vessel]

I am having waaaaaay too much fun with elemental pulses...

[solar oyster]

How many reincarnation levels are there rn ?

[uneven vessel]

Silly Cat gaming

[slim estuary]

im super out of the loop can someone quickly explain the seasonal stuff

i had no idea seasons were even a thing

[thorny parcel]

1. Pick a season.
2. Start a run.
3. Choose a thing to have for the entire run. No, choosing "nothing" isn't an option.
4. Murder everything because the thing is likely to be very overpowered.

[slim estuary]

interesting

[blazing hearth]

@uneven vessel Are you there to give you the radioactive gauntlet?

[uneven vessel]

Eeeeee am in bed rn

[blazing hearth]

Oh ok

[winged vine]

That commitment haha

[uneven vessel]

I too love endlessly scaling DPS

[quasi bison]

what's considered a high damage run in multiplayer, in a fairly normal r9 run through the four acts? with jokul and links and such, but not boundless/endless

[thorny parcel]

Stealing most of the kills.

If you're after an actual number, it can be practically anything.

Because the damage you can do is waaaay over what you actually need.

[quasi bison]

how many billion do people get to in those kinda runs?

[thorny parcel]

Oh and some people also massively inflate their damage number by shooting at enemies that can't die.

[quasi bison]

oh, yeah that would pad the numbers!
i haven't watched any vids on youtube with people doing 3B or more, but i guess the highest runs are way above that?

[thorny parcel]

Personally I don't think you should care about that number. It's virtually meaningless because overkill and immortal padding is so rampant.

You could be the most useless player in a team, then pad your damage on a few immortal enemies and get the highest damage of anyone.

[proud needle]

A runs dmg number are virtually meaningless as overkill dmg is also counted

If an enemy has 15k hp and you deal 100k or 15k both times you one shot the enemy

[quasi bison]

yeah, it is weird that overkill is counted

[proud needle]

Thats why its an overinflated number only people with a fragile ego care about and measure ability from

If you kill all enemies without you dying .. congrats you win

Nothing wrong with wanting so see high numbers but the moment you start judging other based on that
I will see you out

[quasi bison]

it does make it really hard to work out the best builds/characters, cos there's so many variables

[uneven vessel]

absolutely spitting facts

it is super nice to see high numbers, but to make it like a contest... naaaah-

[quasi bison]

i've been trying to work out what people consider the best builds, but it's so varied based on personal tastes

[uneven vessel]

Right now I am having fun with a build that could be a little game changing in endless!

[proud needle]

Also builds are relatively easy
All starts with understaning the playstyles a character can have

"best" is as you say subjective to each person

[uneven vessel]

I am an endless person, you will only ever get builds tailored to endles out of me XD

[quasi bison]

well, you also like Tao, so there's that 🙂
she seems by far the best overall character to me, with thorny bloom doing some serious work in the main game.

[uneven vessel]

Tao (as of now and will most likely remain that way) is the best endless character, and when the DLCs come out I will continue my tier list and guide for endless

I have also kept it on hold as ELemental Pulses have the potential to be META CHANGING in endless

surprised nobody really paid attention to its sheer power >~<

[uneven vessel]

sadly thorny bloom is useless in Endless :(

or at the very least, not worth taking

[quasi bison]

yeah ... there's lots of cool damage-dealing skills that aren't great damage even in acts 3-4, so playing Endless makes them terribad. and skills that are amazing in acts 3-4 won't be amazing in Endless

i think that's why Endless doesn't appeal to me. i play the game more for the cool skills, not so much to shoot stuff.

[uneven vessel]

I sees!

well, for endless, the meta currently is rapid guns and lots of hits
however, if I can learn and tune on how to use this thing correctly, it can be meta changing and allow more people and characters to be able to compete with the horror that is endless XD

[quasi bison]

casting a fatal bloom at an enemy, watching 20+ swords hit them, and then seeing them detonate, while i also gain gobloads of shields ... very satisfying to me.
good luck exploring the pulses, would be great to get more options 🙂

[uneven vessel]

mhm! I am just having fun with my crown prince run because I wanna see if its damage potential will remain the same, even if everything else in the game has dropped off

I have been seeing similar results to boss kills from when they were at 2 billion allllll the way until they hit 10,000M in health

Dang... that might even mean Nona could be viable in endless...

[quasi bison]

interesting, it sounds like she's terrible in Endless, but very good in the normal game

[uneven vessel]

Nona is one of the worst in Endless, however this possible meta changing build could make it she can actually go for a little :)

[quasi bison]

hopefully ... the chicken deserves to be good

[uneven vessel]

well if this build does change endless meta, it will actually be down to the player using Nona, unless Iron Wing can trigger pulses in any way, which I cant remember because it has been ages since I have played as her XD

[quasi bison]

i don't think iron wing does, but i'm not certain about that. the % dmg bonus from Pair of Us is a pretty big bonus tho ... but i guess not enough to make her decent in endless. ah well .. poor chicken.

[uneven vessel]

Wellllll here is my first 10000 gun lol

Surprisingly... not done with Tao-

[quasi bison]

just played a game with the season 1 arcane ascensions active. after i got all the options, every jade gave a message about getting a bonus of some sort ... a refresh, i think it said.
what exactly is that bonus used for?

[thorny parcel]

It recycles the jade, giving stackable skill damage, weapon damage and primary skill cooldown bonuses.

[quasi bison]

thanks, do you know any numbers for the bonuses?

[uneven vessel]

Each stack is 2% gun DMG, 10% Skill DMG, -1% primary skill cooldown (caps at -90%)

:)

[quasi bison]

thanks 🙂 wow, those bonuses will add up in Endless

[craggy bridge]

In season 2, can I get Lei Luo's exclusive frame when using the Hound device?

[thorny parcel]

Probably.

Though don't use the Stars Chaser core if you plan on having a non-sniper weapon in your backpack, just in case.

[craggy bridge]

sweet thank you. Trying it now!

[uneven vessel]

The amount of health they have is unreal
Havent got to 1000 since endless updated ages ago!

[worthy carbon]

whats the highest base critX a weapon can have including inscriptions and stuff but just the weapon alone without any other critX buffs?

like what inscriptions are there to permanatly increase critX?

[thorny parcel]

Search for CritX here:
https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Inscriptions

The best weapon is Brick, since it has the best exclusive inscription for boosting CritX and other high CritX weapons don't.

(Though if you don't care about the duration, Woodpecker can get way higher within 2 seconds.)

[worthy carbon]

Thank you!

[earnest hemlock]

How do I get good at this game... I feel I either sail through the normal game, or half my runs don't ever get through the first area

And then don't get me started with endless.... I feel like I just pop instantly by things that can't even see me

It's probably a skill issue, but how do I fix my skill issue?

[oak tusk]

Well... that's mostly by analyzing the situation.
For starters, try using covers more often when needed, and don't stop moving when you need to shoot.

Learn the value of Gemini Inscriptions, as these can be particularly powerful, especially if you use the spores inscription on a weapon with a very high rate of fire and a Wild Hunt as a secondary.

Or, if you want a shotgun as your first weapon, combine it with the inscription increasing critical hits by keeping a sniper rifle with a high CritX as a secondary.

Keep in mind that some enemies shoot projectiles that home on you, so use covers.
Other enemies, like Rogue Arsonists, chase you down and deal high damage, and they are surprisingly fast, so don't let your speed go too low due to the effects of occult scrolls.
Additionally, this isn't mentioned, but weapons have walking speed modifiers.

For example, you'll walk slower if you hold a weapon with special ammo, but you'll go much faster if you hold the default gun Foundry.
And if you use the lightining sword, you'll move even faster.

If you really, and I mean REALLY want a boost, enable "Lone Wolf" and pick "Painkiller" as blessing.
It's not ideal if you're looking for a challenge, especially if you're planning to make an elemental build.

[uneven vessel]

Rather poetic that round 1000 will be either Pole Monarch or Gluttony

[plain panther]

who ended it up being

[uneven vessel]

Gluttony

[plain panther]

[uneven vessel]

Gonna post the clip later

[uneven vessel]

https://youtu.be/96NUsT-1k2A?si=YmACCPs0mqogM9Nn

[languid gulch]

what are some fun or strong character builds to try out?

[winged vine]

Painkiller on cat is an insta win and hilariously gun. A single grenade throw pretty much kills everything in the game.

[brisk falcon]

Finally getting around to play Gunfire, gotta ask, is there anything I should know before really starting/getting into the game?

Or should I like, feel it out, for now?

[oak tusk]

Don't stand still while you shoot and take cover to reload. Hesitation will get you killed.
Careful of enemies with homing projectiles.
Don't be discouraged if you die: it's a roguelike, it's part of the game.

[quasi bison]

yeah, at the start, don't make winning your goal, instead try to get a little bit further every time, or get to learn more about a character
definitely try to be aware of your surroundings - enemies and traps can directly kill you, but getting stuck on a bit of terrain is also a killer 😄 and many of the ranged enemies kill you real quick
at the start, i suggest playing multiple characters, and try various ways to play them. avoid playing nona too much, as she's not a good way to learn the game (chicken is stronk and does everything for you).

[brisk falcon]

Noted

[strange charm]

i just got back to the game since last year's update, is the game dead

[lime garnet]

no, its still getting updated

[strange charm]

i cant find a match ;w;

[potent crow]

Anyone willing to buy me a pc so i can play this update cuz im on xbox😭

[winged vine]

Console sucks

[winged vine]

Match making is best with friends

[strange charm]

i dont have any that play this game

[thorny parcel]

Next best is using the LFG channels here.

[dawn ledge]

It's sometimes surprising to see how much Crown Prince destroys things with the Elemental Pulse arcane ascension

[proud needle]

@uneven vessel you have a disciple

[uneven vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-bob-esponja-spongebob-celebrating-shout-gif-15748766

[dawn ledge]

I miss something?

[quasi bison]

question about Li's Raging Inferno. does it work when damaging exactly one enemy with a spiritual flame, or when damaging at least one enemy? the wording makes me think exactly one, but other comments on the wiki make me think it's at least one (ie don't miss completely).

(based on the stacks, it works for every enemy hit, so hit 2 in one spiritual flame, gain 2 stacks)

[uneven vessel]

Was gonna comment, yeee it is for every enemy hit by a spiritual flame with 30 energy used on it or more :)

[harsh current]

I pretty much only play Owl and only ever played his Astroforecast build, any recommendations on what else to try? Currently on Reincarnation 3 as only got the game a few days ago.

Either different builds that work at this difficulty or different characters who ya think I might enjoy. I own all DLC.

[uneven vessel]

Literally Zi Xiao is just break RNG and throw tons of cards XD

At least for me haha

[harsh current]

yea thats pretty much how I've been playing him however getting slightly boring playing the same build every single time now as its all I've played since getting the game

but no clue what other builds he has

I assume he has based on Falling Star but no clue how to build for that

[uneven vessel]

I reckon you should try more characters! :>

[harsh current]

and he probably has more but again, my lack of knowledge

[harsh current]

yea, just no clue who I would like haha

as none seem even slightly related to how owl is

[uneven vessel]

If you want someone both cute and destructive, both Tao and Crown Prince!

(Tao is the most broken in the game)

[harsh current]

Tao and lightning tiger are the 2 I can't play as mates play them, we play as a 3

how does crown prince play?

[thorny parcel]

Element spam.

[uneven vessel]

Crown Prince just spams elements and naturally makes them stronger

[harsh current]

Is there a place where I can see builds as been just figuring out stuff myself so far

[uneven vessel]

Gunfire wiki :)

[harsh current]

thx

where do characters generally sit on meta

as while I'm loving Owl, my mates aren't as most runs are just me with all the damage and them 2 being extremely far behind me in it

my mate playing Tao can sometimes catch up to me but mate playing Lightning Tiger never really can

[uneven vessel]

I talk about endless meta, and Zi Xiao is one of the top choices

Between 2nd-3rd place, still deciding

[harsh current]

not even bothered with endless yet as not even made it to reincarnation 9 yet

[proud needle]

Then a different thing

Endless =!= Boundless

you can go infinite already
But Endless is a special version of Boundless only available at R9

Boundless can be done before

[harsh current]

Thx

Guess I'll check out Crown Prince so mates don't get annoyed that I'm just doing everything on my own as Owl lmao

Is there any builds for any character that are built for multiplayer?

maybe for tank or support focused so I can let my 2 mates focus on dps and they can have that fun while I enjoy helping them

[warped silo]

Hey, does anyone know how much the Arcane ascension 1 battlepass stuff costs in the shop? I completed the last one so I couldn't really get a good idea on if the prices were exuberant for people who bought the rewards later cause it doesn't show you them if you've earned em already.

[harsh current]

scales the price, 1st reward is like 400 and it goes up by 200 each so last one is 1200

[warped silo]

ah i see gotcha, cheers

was curious to see how much they'd be if I didn't really play through this pass this time

[harsh current]

looking at the painkiller/smoke grenade build for Crown Prince and it doesn't say what weapons are good on him for these builds, what weapons should I be looking out for

[harsh current]

ive only been playing for a few days and imo they really really cheap, 1 run for me allowed me to buy the most expensive one

[warped silo]

thats not too bad then

Yeah, I just don't really like having to grind out fomo stuff all the time so, was curious on all that

cheers tho Meeracoat

[harsh current]

iirc, as ive already bought them all

the icon was like 500, gun skin was 1200 and rest was like 400

so yea, all super super cheap

[warped silo]

thats not too bad, can't complain

thank you

[harsh current]

np

[warped silo]

off topic but a fun question for yah, what do you think the new characters are going to be?

One looks like an ice themed one, not sure about the other. They look a bit smoldering n smokey but we've already got a fire character

[harsh current]

I've literally only been playing a couple of days

[warped silo]

aaaah i see i see

[harsh current]

so not even seen anything about the new dlc

[warped silo]

haha, ah no worries then

pardon me

[harsh current]

I am interested in them tho as already bought both dlc haha

just to end up playing only owl

[warped silo]

haha, ah no worries then

thats all good

[harsh current]

whats an easy way to get spirit essence as need to get my talents for crown prince so I can try him out

[warped silo]

easy? aw I dunno about easy

I'd say just play the game on the easiest difficulty n do some runs

you'll get all your essence naturally through playing

if you need more, maybe theres other suggestions online but none id really be familiar with

[harsh current]

only get like 200 on easy tho whereas im getting like 1-2k or something on reincarnation 3

so wasnt sure if highest diff is just best or if there happens to be a perfect difficulty to time ratio haha

[warped silo]

I getcha, well I wouldn't know all the specific strats meself but, sounds like higher diffs more rewarding then

Like I said, I think you'll just get it by playing naturally tho, so no pressure

maybe aim for other objectives and the essence will build up in the background if you're looking to progress some stuff

[harsh current]

yea guess Ill just do a run on owl and see what season stuff I can also do

should give me enough to max the talents for crown prince

[warped silo]

there you go

aye yeah, those battlepass challenges do give essence aswell dont they?

so thats one way to earn more, 2 for 1

but no worries

but anyway if you're curious

here's a peak at the new characters and gear coming out later

\

[harsh current]

left looks like either fire or smoke, could be more like a shadow tho so assassin type

right is 100% like a ram/sheep/goat or something with those horns and looks very ice based

[warped silo]

aye seams so

[harsh current]

so could be fire/ice for opposites but less fire based and more smoke based as we already have Li for fire

[warped silo]

maybe left's more a sandy/ earth type character

[harsh current]

yea

and guns seem to be a new lizard, a spear, smg and either a glove shotgun type or rocket based glove

sort of like a megaman blaster haha

[harsh current]

actually yea, im thinking more earth with the pebbles behind the head

[warped silo]

hah, yeah exactly

[harsh current]

either way, defo getting it

[warped silo]

also the backgrounds behind the characters, right one looks more icy and the left one looks more like desert mounds

[harsh current]

shouldnt quarter 3 be like next month?

[warped silo]

aye, it'll be soon

they said they're halfway through this season so

it'll be round eventually

[harsh current]

also when did they update the image

as I swear the Q3 image looked different

like it didnt show exactly what the weapons were

[warped silo]

aye, they did

[harsh current]

and left character was just pure smoke

[warped silo]

check the games news feed yourself

it says there, they edited the images to look more accurate to the stuff's actual appearance

[harsh current]

ah sweet

but yea, excited for those 2

[warped silo]

Old:

[harsh current]

yea thats what I rememeber seeing

[warped silo]

aye

New:

[harsh current]

gives me 2 new characters to play when I still have everyone else to play lmao

bought both DLCs and literally only characters I've played in the game is Owl

hence me asking her who to try out so gonna go with trying out Crown Prince

just need to figure out his weapons to go with his Painkiller/Smoke Grenade build

[warped silo]

aye I getcha

[white spindle]

I still play tao for the most part, even though I own all the dlc characters

Tao sucks though

[harsh current]

tbh in my group of 3, Tao has been demolishing everything

like she is the character who has been keeping up with my insane dmg as owl

[white spindle]

Only character that I rarely see is the green bird

I forgot his name

starts with a Q

[harsh current]

I only just know them by their animal and then a few by their names haha

like Li and Nona

[harsh current]

Qing Yan

[white spindle]

it's been quite some time since I played the game so I didn't remember it.

[harsh current]

I played some Nona as I love mech based characters and stuff

like Moze and Gaige are my mains in Borderlands

but I'm not sure if it was just me but my god was Nona boring af

I couldn't die as mech just would res me

mech couldnt die as it was too tanky and would just explode and remech itself if it did

I literally just sat in a corner, mech did everything and was yea just boring

which sucked cuz I really really love her as a character

[quasi bison]

IMO, she's the best character in the game. she's tanky and can do truckloads of damage if you play her best build

nona is great when i want a safe, easy run. or if i want to carry some friends who play charactesr that take a while to warm up

[quasi bison]

when those builds work perfectly, all you're doing is throwing grenades. once you get to that point, use a sword for the extra move speed.

[harsh current]

okay

[harsh current]

does she have any builds where I actually need to do anything? As I really wanna play her and enjoy her but my experience with her so far was boring haha

[quasi bison]

if you use her in Fire mode with the turret, the best synergy is to get heavy modification, and things that help regen/not consume secondary uses. when you can hold down the grenade key and blatto off hundreds of rockets, it's really fun.
she also gets good bonuses with weapons, so a spores build is good. a miasma build is also good.
in my experience, shooting rockets with heavy modification is the best option to add DPS as nona. or focus on picking up your teammates if they're squishy.

[harsh current]

thx

does mech damage show up as dmg when ya press tab?

[quasi bison]

or play hard mode and use Strike mode, which is far less OP, so you need to do stuff 😄

yep, it's included in your damage

(i hold down C, not sure if tab is the same)

[uneven vessel]

Qing Yan? yeah he is the worst character in the game sadly

[quasi bison]

Nimble Finger encourages you to shoot and reload weapons, and gives Fire or Strike mode benefits