#New speed bar

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alpine saddle
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🟥=stalling speeds
🟦=to slow for maneuvering
đźź©=perfect for maneuvering
🟨=too fast for maneuvering

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And maybe a tutorial?

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But I’m not sure if when you maneuver at 🟦 you stall and when you maneuver at 🟨 the plane breaks apart or if the game should just not let you maneuver during 🟦 or 🟨

winged lake
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Except you can just make blue and yellow just white

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“Ideal speed” can be a stat based off a planes supposed weight or somethibg

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However this wouldnt mean much unless turning = speed decrease and im not sure people are ready for that

bronze ivy
winged lake
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Without speed decreasing from turning

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However i think its a step away from “stall = tightest”

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Which is preferable

bronze ivy
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Yeah, without turning drag there’s no sustained/unsustained turns, or even any energy management

winged lake
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However i think ideal speed could be good to make planes like the MiG-31 and F-86 much different

bronze ivy
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So it gives that at least

winged lake
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Im surprised nobody discussed this

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I did last year once i think

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Wait your talking about the ai behavior right?

bronze ivy
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In a sense

winged lake
bronze ivy
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That’s 1c flow
In a symmetric fight with constant degree/sec, no matter what speed either of you are at you’ll both get nose-on at the same time

winged lake
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You can predict their movement everytime

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They are designed to two circle you

bronze ivy
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Yeah, the first thing I tried to do in same-plane fights was fly faster and 2c around them but I learned the constant deg/sec meant outrating them isn’t possible

winged lake
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People who are crazy good can go a match without taking damage

bronze ivy
winged lake
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Yeah its kinda goofy

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There is no ideal speed

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Except 0.1

bronze ivy
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The whole time I was assuming deg/sec was just a fixed variable

winged lake
winged lake
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But since your slower the tighter it is is all that matters

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Since it doesn’t change

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Dogfight meta is still just slowing down

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And speeding up during head ons

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F-22N is the meta fighter (unless it changed after speed rework)

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SU-3X probably achieves the same with more health

bronze ivy
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Turn rate is entirely dependent on deg/sec
Turn radius is speed + deg/sec too
Generally best radius =/= best rate but here it does

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so here if you can out-rate them in 2c you can also out-radius them in a 1c

winged lake
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Basically yeah

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Mig 31 is goinf 0.1 m/s here

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F-22 i wanna say around 50 m/s

bronze ivy
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Perspective is difficult without reference points but I see it

winged lake
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Basically the mig-31 is not going forward so its radius is crazy

bronze ivy
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I assume mig31 is the worst rater in the game?

winged lake
bronze ivy
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Gotcha

bronze ivy
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Yeah after some thought I think the current system works fine
in order to properly simulate the sustained/unsustained turning required for 1c/2c flow it’d have to be done the long way: turning bleeds speed proportionally and wing stall and g-loc have to be variables instead of constants (as they are currently)
Which would be drastic changes to the existing flight physics

bronze ivy
alpine saddle
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So you know when and when not to maneuver

winged lake
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Helicopters prior to nerf were the best aircraft in the entire game, ever.

winged lake
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I also believe slow speed does not change, so higher top speed is still better

bronze ivy
winged lake
bronze ivy
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True, I assumed all the aircraft’s top speed and acceleration would both be proportional

winged lake
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For reference the F-16 having a higher acceleration then speed stat makes it so it goes 0-50 in less then a second

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