#Probability of kill

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languid moat
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i don't know about non-american jets, but on those such as F16s and F22s when you are firing AMRAAMS the HUD will tell you the probability of kill of your missile which depends on your altitude (dense air at low altitude will slow the missile reducing the probability of kill), weather conditions, speed of the jet firing that missile and other things. as there's no first person at the moment, for jet attack there could be this circle coming out on the screen somewhere only then a target Is locked and when we are ready to fire. if the circle Is big, the probability of kill Is high, if the circle Is small the probability of kill will be low.

the three pics i put here are from the Grinnelli F22 model for DCS and shows the circle im talking about in the middle of the HUD.

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okay, It might look something like this. of course the white writing won't be there; It won't "be" at all, i put It there for understanding purposes only. so only the circle will be there where i put It and It will appear only when an enemy Is being locked by our radar, and that circle will "smoothly" increase or decrease it's dimensions depending on the prob. of kill

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the prob. of kill could be calculated by looking at some factors:

  1. distance
  2. altitude
  3. speed (if we fire missile using the afterburner It will be faster, because we'll be faster using the afterburner; and missiles always stars with the same initial speed of the jet that Is firing that missile, and It will increase it's speed using it's engine unless It runs out of fuel)
  4. aspect (if the enemy aspect Is hot the prob. of kill will high as the bandit Is closing towards the missile. if the bandit Is cold the missile will struggle to hit It especially if the bandit Is maneuvering to bleed the missile energy, in other words the prob. of kill will be low
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@zinc terrace tell me what do you think 🙂
@winged mica if you wanna add this to the list 🙂

winged mica
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Can't right now but I just wanted to let you know that I saw your message ✌️

languid moat
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alright, no worries man👍

zinc terrace
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What about if it was built into the UI with the lock symbol now

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Either as a size (which might be harder to read) or kind of cheat and have a somewhat fake UI that shows the hit chance percent

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Terrible, but something like

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(low, medium, high)

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or more like a fake UI that shows distance and accuracy kind of combined

languid moat
# zinc terrace

i love this one, of course there will be only one zoom bubble showing the circle right? i mean there won't be three zoom bubbles for a single bandit

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but how do we use this when zoom bubbles are turned off?

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the first one you showed Is perfect for people using zoom bubbles, now we have to figure It out how to make It works for people which uses only the radar

zinc terrace
zinc terrace
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I have been somewhat thinking of the idea for HUD is something like...

languid moat
languid moat
zinc terrace
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just drawing pictures, one second

languid moat
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sure 🫡

zinc terrace
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Dunno where it goes or what it looks like exactly

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but basically having the hud in a very simplified form shown to you

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I can then put the regular UI stuff on it for people that want a more accurate game

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It's proably never going to be fully accurate, more like war thunder than a DCS, but I think it's still good to have realistic stuff built into it where possible

languid moat
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It looks good i'd say

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maybe It should be a bit bigger and that's perfect. and for the positioning of that "virtual" HUD i think It Is all up to players, so let players choose where to place It in the UI settings

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personally i will put It on the top left, so It can be bigger without causing troubles to the gameplay area or action area i don't how to call it

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It will look like this with the HUD at the top left of the screen

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zinc terrace
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Yep, I like it. I'm actually thinking the left and right parts of the screen should be UI only and I don't put anyhting from the 3D world (including bubbles) over it

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so even sneaking it in the top left below the pause button would work

languid moat
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i think we planned the prob. of kill feature well, now It needs to be implemented and that's It. it's always a pleasure to help and try to improve jet attack game

midnight mountain
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This HUD should be implemented, it looks quite cool, also eliminates the airspeed indicator on the right. Although not sure if the pitch indicators are totally necessary because pitch isn't really implemented in the game yet

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zinc terrace
zinc terrace
languid moat
fringe gorge
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It's the easiest to read imo

languid moat
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true

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one thing that i was thinking for this feature, Is that the only the jets with prob. of kill calculation should have this thing. for example an F14 or an F4 Phantom or even a Mig21 (when It will be added) won't have the prob. of kill in the HUD, instead an F22,16 etc. will have it

serene island
languid moat
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this Is also an option

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which Is really good

serene island
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Got some mockup for that in my laptop, but could be interesting, cause it take the same amount of place, just press on button to switch between options

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And it add both of your ideas

languid moat
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send It here

serene island
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👍

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Gonna send it asap,

fringe gorge
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Idk

languid moat
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i'll check

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nope, the F5 Tiger don't have a probability of kill calculator in its HUD

fringe gorge
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The F4-S

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Not F-5

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The f-5 only shot sidewinders I'm pretty sure

languid moat
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oh sorry im stupid

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same, the F4 don't have the prob. of kill calculator but just as the F5, the pilot could increase the prob. of kill by shooting at the right moment. of course It needs pilot skills

serene island
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@languid moat @zinc terrace

languid moat
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woh you got this

serene island
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here are the mockup we talked about Doc, you could switch btw mods by a buton (grey one for last picture). And maybe if you click on the display, you can zoom in a bit

languid moat
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they all looks good

serene island
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so the screen will get a bit bigger, and then once it's bigger (1/4 of the screen or whatever), you could interact with it, so change display and press some buttons

serene island
languid moat
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maybe the last one should have a border too, something like the other ones

serene island
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yeah, last only the top on left side have a border, to make it more transparent, but yeah that's a possibility

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this is when you click on it and it zoom in

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for the last one i was thinking like the HUD on turboprop flight sim which is a bit transparent like that

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I think, it will be easier if you have to press it, then it zoom in, and then you can switch btw display, cause it might be to small otherwise, i don't know

languid moat
serene island
zinc terrace
# serene island

Love these! It will be a heap of work but would be awesome to implement each of these

serene island
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at least the first one you already did the mfd screen, so this one might be easier, loadout page gonna be hard with different weapons to match what you choose and all

zinc terrace
serene island