Plane Recommendations

[modern basalt]

@marble sky

1. Sounds dependent on the type of gun instead of just 20mm, 25mm, 27mm, & 30mm. (Tornado's gun sounds really good.)

Ship Attack & Bomber Escort and their respective planes should have multiple areas where the bullets come out from. (P-51 and the JU-87 I think.)
( https://youtu.be/A_vAJ0TF7mM?si=wGPwhUAvPOivKi7P , Example for P-51)

I think for planes with the GAU guns, there should be a winding down/drop in pitch when the gun stops firing.

https://youtube.com/shorts/vtm5uHVJhE0?si=nbwADCPSzJrLu-Zn
(This is just an example.)

2. Smoke Effects

Minor smoke effects behind the aircraft as well as smoke effects when the guns shoot on the modern jets, similar to the A-10. It looks awkward in my opinion when there's no smoke effect when the guns are firing

Some of the guns are Auto-cannons instead of Rotary-weapons. They also have different sounds.

3. Fire Rate and Damage

Damage and fire rate should depend on the gun itself. We should have an increased set amount of ammo and have maybe a ten - fifteen second reload rate after the ammo is spent.

For balancing purposes, it might want to be considered that, if this becomes a thing, that ammo count is set depending on the Damage and Fire rate.
High Ammo : High Fire Rate & Low Damage

3.5: Bullet Velocity depending on Gun
Low Ammo: High/Medium Fire Rate and High Damage

4: Gun Placement

For aircraft that have an offset gun or two guns (or more for the Prop Planes and if we get Gun Pods), those should be placed correctly instead of coming off of the nose. After looking into it, I actually haven't noticed anything too off besides the prop fighters.

[modern basalt]

5: Planes to add. (Dogfight or Ground Attack)

MiG-21
MiG-23
MiG-27
MiG-31
SU-7
SU-30
SU-34
F-105
Jaguar
F-111

[modern basalt]

6: Map Building.

There should be preset maps and missions set independently from user created missions.

On top of messing with buildings and opponents, terrain editors should be implemented. (Ability to make Canyons and what-not after height control are added.)

All of that would be good for maps that players create, then can be downloaded from a tab designated to download other players' created missions.

On top of mission editing, make it available so that difficulty can be adjusted for more intense missions. Invading a Military base against SAMs and Defending aircraft on Hard or Insane would be fun.

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7: A.I Enemies

1. Make more.planes capable of being controlled by A.I

2. Add more ground attack targets and air defenses.

Gun based AA

• ZSU-23
• Flak Units
• Gepards
• SHORADs or LAV-ADs

Missile Based AA

• 2K12
• SA-6
• Panstir
• M48 Chaparral
• Tor (SA-15)

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8: Active Warfare
I'm aware it's being worked on, but having active battles happening on top of trying to get to bases, ground striking, and avoiding aircraft & SAMs.

This could include low poly soldiers that are friendly or enemy that can all be attacked. Depending on your actions can sway the battle

9: SAM/AA Mode

Mode based on being able to control either a SAM site that uses the same radar as BVR does, or as a gun AA, which could be a variety. (This is a JET attack move so I dunno if you'd implement ground units.)

10: Base Defense

This would be based on the scenery building. A sub-mode where you start with limited resources to build a base to survive incoming attacks.
A possible big thing to add would be a tycoon-sort-of mechanic where you develop planes as time goes on and unlock stuff.

This could even be the main basis for the Missions mode.

Base Defense / the General Mission Mode should include realistic ideas, such as take off, refuelling, limited ammo, and realistic damage, which can be and is not limited to, wing damage, flap damage, tail damage, engine damage, gun damage, etc.

[crisp stirrup]

yo that's an amazing idea

[modern basalt]

Thanks.

[crisp stirrup]

what about stingers and RPGs for helicopters?

[modern basalt]

American AA systems carry Stingers, depending on the model.

Helicopters and stuff are a different subject. I don't think Doolwind is too focused on helicopters rn

[crisp stirrup]

It im not wrong there's a LAV that uses 4x stingers launcher, an M61 Vulcan cannon and maybe even tow missiles so yeah, some AA carry stingers

[modern basalt]

LAV-AD

It's under Gun Based AA

I have it

[crisp stirrup]

you have It?

[modern basalt]

I have it under Gun Based AA

[crisp stirrup]

ohh okay got it

[modern basalt]

This is not the place to ask for that. Put that in your own suggestions please.

[vapid musk]

Sry i didn't understood that

Ok

[modern basalt]

So, delete it, please :)

[vapid musk]

Ye

Let me just copy paste it

[obsidian egret]

@modern basalt Great ideas man I really like the base defense idea

[modern basalt]

Thanks :)

[thin hill]

@modern basalt you might as well do this yourself, you seem capable with all this information

[modern basalt]

Lmao, thank you. However, I'm no game designer 😅

[obsidian egret]

How do you get the Private First Class and everything

[modern basalt]

Talking and leveling up. I've actually been on the server awhile, but I'm active only as of recently

Please don't ask here though. It's filling up space

[modern basalt]

Last Relevant Message

[modern basalt]

|| @marble sky ||

Hope all is well with life and programming. I have a bunch of stuff written here if you'd like to go over it.

[marble sky]

Great suggestions, I will be doing the base defense stuff as part of missions and opening that up so you (and the community) can build your own missions with some tools I make

[modern basalt]

Awesome!

[thin hill]

Gotta start somewhere ig 🤣

But love the suggestions

[modern basalt]

Lol, thanks

[thin hill]

Np

[modern basalt]

Anytime I update this with more stuff, do you want me to ping you, or is that bothersome?

[modern basalt]

11: Mode Selection Update

The area of which to select your modes hasnt been updated in quite some time. It should be updated with sections and then subsections. (I'll post a mock up)

12: Prop Planes to Add

US:
P-38
P-40
P-47
P-51
P-63
F4U
F6F
B-25
B-29

German:
Fw 190
Bf 109
Bf 110
Ju 88
He 111
He 280
Me 210
Me 262

USSR:
La-5
La-7
La-9
MiG-3
Yak-3
Yak-7
Yak-9
IL-2
IL-4
IL-10
Pe-2
Pe-8

(ALL prop planes should be accessible as an era-based change / mode switch in mission creators for those who want to make missions that are WW2 based.)

[modern basalt]

HERE'S THE MOCK UP EXAMPLE

Given, customization is all up to you. Jus here to give a layout

@marble sky :>

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[crisp stirrup]

damn nice job my friend

[modern basalt]

Thanks pookie

[marble sky]

Great stuff

And yeah I really need to change the background of the menu

I've been thinking like a top down view similar to Strategic bomber with differnet jets flying in

And yes I like this layout

Do you think a mix of images + text is good?

[crisp stirrup]

what about an animated background? or maybe an interactive background where you can "inspect" a jet by clicking on It for example if you tap on the canopy, It will open and you can check It inside, if you tap the weapon bay It will open and you will check the weapon in It and so on

and also a start button instead of having the menù instantly

[marble sky]

Yeah I'm thinking start game with full screen somthing when you first start

and then staright into tutorial for first time players

[crisp stirrup]

what about the interactive background?

[modern basalt]

I think it would be, yes.

Either have art/pictures of your models or art of a single plane, two planes or swords clashing, mission editors can be designed with bases or a pencil and some other stuff.

As for whatever else, I'll leave that to you lol

Multiplayer doesn't need to be made PvP only now that I'm thinking about it.

There could be CO-OP modes and what not. Even a multiplayer Base Defense, which I think would be awesome.

[modern basalt]

@marble sky

Would you ever implement a ground mode like this? I like the low poly idea of this, but the controls are funky and the UI isn't usually user friendly outside of the game.

[modern basalt]

Or some similar, miniature version for the ground war thing. They'd just be targets

[crisp stirrup]

oh i love that game

one of the best Independent videogames on mobile, the best Is JAM ofc

[thin hill]

Me? Yes

[modern basalt]

Well, I @'d Doolwind. Are you wanting to be pinged too?

[thin hill]

Pallet is a bit girly, black green and blue?

[thin hill]

Love the ideas Ofc

[modern basalt]

It was a concept of a layout. I don't care about the colors too much, no offense.

[thin hill]

Yep

[thin hill]

None taken

[modern basalt]

Okey dokey.

[thin hill]

Possibly add some directive tabs

Back home next previous

[modern basalt]

I don't make the game lol

But yes I understand

[thin hill]

Yep

[modern basalt]

[modern basalt]

13: Best Options for Upcoming Ground Attack Aircraft

(In my opinion)

• A-4 Skyhawk (Variant isn't specific)
• A-7 Corsair (Would be good once we get Custom Loadouts.)
• Su-7 / Su-17 / Su-22
• Su-24
• JH-7
• AMX

[modern basalt]

14: Options for Custom Loadouts Missiles

IF THERE ANY RELEATED MISSILES, I KNOW. THAT'S JUST WHAT THEY USED

(Missiles variants are separated based on functionality. Those with slashes are similar variants.)

AMERICA

• AIM-7M

• AIM-7F

• AIM-7P

• AIM-7R

• AIM-9A /B

• AIM-9C

• AIM-9D

• AIM-9E

• AIM-9G /H

• AIM-9J

• AIM-9L /P

• AIM-9M

• AIM-9R

• AIM-9X

• AIM-54A

• AIM-54C

• AIM-120A

• AIM-120B

• AIM-120C

• AIM-120D

• AIM-260 (Maybe)

RUSSIA

• R-3 /U

• R-13 /M

• R-60

• R-60M /MK

• R-60TM

• R-23

• R-27 /T

• R-27R

• R-33

• R-37

• R-73

• R-74

• R-77

• R-77M

BRITAIN

• AIM-132 ASRAAM

• AIM-120

• AIM-9L

• AIM-7M

SWEDEN

• AIM-120

• Rb 24

• IRIS-T

• RBS 15 (Anti-ship / ground missile with air-launch capability)

FRANCE

• MICA

• MICA IR

• Matra R530

• Magic 2

CHINA

• PL-8
• PL-10
• PL-12
• PL-15

15: IR Missiles and Radar Missiles

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Missiles should be reworked to have a cone in front of the plane as well as a realistically limited range, including Rear-aspect and All-aspect tracking.

|| @marble sky @thin hill ||

The main priority for the huge variety of missiles would be the single player grind, not so much the multiplayer.

[modern basalt]

I'll be posting the IR v Radar Missiles in a bit

[marble sky]

In tank attack move possibly, but I think that might be too far a stretch for Jet Attack Move

[modern basalt]

There's a tank attack move?

[marble sky]

I am a huge tank combat fan though. Squad tank battles are some of my favorite combat I've ever experienced in a video game

[modern basalt]

I completely agree

[marble sky]

There isn't, but it's on the list of possible future games

I have many ideas and not enough time

can't even work on Oscar Mike and Jet Attack Move at the same time

[modern basalt]

Single Developer, I understand. It's still a lot that you've accomplished, and that's awesome

[marble sky]

Great list. I'll eventually add all of these

My thinking is that there will be small progression leveling up your armaments without a big grind

[modern basalt]

Gotcha. For a mobile/small game, that makes sense.

I'm used to the icky Gajin games

[modern basalt]

I expect ranges to be nerfed, but I used real info for these so, 🤷

@thin hill

[vapid quiver]

• R-73M
• K-74M

• R-33E / R-37M

[modern basalt]

I have at least 56 up there lol

[modern basalt]

The radar example should be implemented instead of enemies popping up on a 360 Radar for every plane. Classification should take a moment to actually load, and the same thing for launched missiles.

I recommend putting both the Enemy and Enemy Missiles on Radar, as the Bubbles, imo, make it look a little weird.

I also recommend for the Radar, if the bubbles are turned off, that a directional RWR will go off that identifies the missile and pings the distance every 0.7 - 1.1 second(s), as well as the aircraft.

The range of the radar should be adjustable, similar to the zoom on Strategic Bomber.

[modern basalt]

^^^
||The radar example should be implemented instead of enemies popping up on a 360 Radar for every plane. Classification should take a moment to actually load, and the same thing for launched missiles.

I recommend putting both the Enemy and Enemy Missiles on Radar, as the Bubbles, imo, make it look a little weird.

I also recommend for the Radar, if the bubbles are turned off, that a directional RWR will go off that identifies the missile and pings the distance every 0.7 - 1.1 second(s), as well as the aircraft.

The range of the radar should be adjustable, similar to the zoom on Strategic Bomber.||

[vapid quiver]

i'm just adding more variants on russian missiles

[modern basalt]

|| @marble sky ||

[thin hill]

Ohhh yeah

[thin hill]

You should pack all this info in a doc

[modern basalt]

You think?

@marble sky

Are these recommendations good enough to be put in a doc that you'll look back on it or nah?

[manic sedge]

Yo look up warplane. Inc in AppStore, that’s kind of the UI you want to do

It’s very nice but it’s goes off the game style

Maybe change the tones to make it more simple

[modern basalt]

I've played it. I beat it lol

[manic sedge]

Same lol

[thin hill]

You should just do it so it’s all condensed and in a document more formal than a thread on discord

[marble sky]

This is awesome, thanks. Also love this graphic style 😄

[modern basalt]

^

[modern basalt]

Thank you 😅

[marble sky]

Yeah dog might be easier so I don't have to jump around and won't miss anything

[marble sky]

Yeah I need to work out if I zoom the camera out like this or keep it zoomed in like it is

Would love to know more about how you would see this showing up in the game itself

like is that what the actual screen looks like

[modern basalt]

I think the zoom is completely fine in my opinion. It's nice and does what it needs to.

Manual radar tracking would be a small section of the screen, like how the Strategic Bombing screen works.
However, for this, small would be the visual, and making it bigger gives controls over what the radar is doing

And honestly, this would be a big game changer, but changing the angle of which the third person camera is viewing the aircraft could be lowered so more of what's in front of the user's aircraft can be seen. This would work well for short range fights and short range missiles.

As for design, I'd have to throw something together

[marble sky]

Ok, and the combined RWR and regular radar is ok for now do you think? I really want to have one bigger radar rather than the 2 if I can, but I know this is less realistic

[marble sky]

This helps when enemies are "above" you but makes it worse when they are down below you on teh screen. I think the best way for this to be handled is for the camera to centre more between the two of you, which it doesn't do a great job right now

[marble sky]

Anything you could do would be greatly appreciated, Just so I understand what you're thinking

[modern basalt]

It's perfectly fine for right now.

[modern basalt]

Gotcha. I'll see what I can do. I wish there was a "remove hud" option so I can draw my ideas over the game

[modern basalt]

Thanks!

[modern basalt]

@marble sky

Something like this

Radar can be expanded to show controls which could include choosing a different target to track and whatever else you can do with radars lol

[marble sky]

Ah nice, yep so actually have the rarar sweeping around to highilght people

ok yeah I'll have a pla with this and see wht I can come up with

[modern basalt]

Er, sort of. It'd be a side sweep. That's an image of a sonar radar, which, I don't think planes go underwater lol

[modern basalt]

But yes that's the idea

[crisp stirrup]

also RWR blind spots should be added

RWR won't warn the pilot about missiles if the missile Is in an RWR blind spot

for example if It Is coming right underneath the jet the RWR won't warn us about It (this Is also perfect if height controls will come in the future)

[vapid quiver]

or even when the missile going pitbul from above «like aim-54's»

[crisp stirrup]

yes, well said my friend

[modern basalt]

For @marble sky and others interested in leaving their serious comments.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lFZ3-7rmzbthgVy17tJHxYy-OM2i07m8Ckhaosz6pkg/edit?usp=drivesdk

IF YOU HAVE RECOMENDATIONS TO GO IN HERE, please put them here in a similar format at the Document :)

[crisp stirrup]

seems to be great

man i feel like we can build some good ideas for JAM if we combine our suggestions

[modern basalt]

@jagged sierra

[jagged sierra]

Woo

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